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10/26/26 - Hour 1 · The Huddle

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Speaker 1: Now, gather around because it's time to huddle up.
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Speaker 3: We know exactly what we got to do.
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Speaker 2: All right? Let's go out and kick some shit. One, two, three.
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Speaker 4: We got some big plays coming.
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Speaker 2: What the hell's going on out here? Yellow Weasel.
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Speaker 1: We're calling the plays, all right? It is time. What
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Speaker 1: do you say?
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Speaker 2: With Drew Olsen.
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Speaker 5: When he spoke, he commanded your attention and he commanded
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Speaker 5: your respect.
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Speaker 1: Bill Schmidt.
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Speaker 2: That son of a gun is thick. And Armin Sarian.
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Speaker 2: Daddy Sarian.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the huddle.
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Speaker 4: He steps up, scrambles right, going to take it himself,
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Speaker 4: throws right side of the end zone, got Tucker grabbed,
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Speaker 4: tumbled and grabbed, touchdown, but did he come across the
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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage on the throw? Apparently, I don't see
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Speaker 4: a flag, it's a touchdown Green Bay.
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Speaker 5: 3-2.
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Speaker 1: Runner takes off, it's a hit.
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Speaker 3: And run to perfection. Milwaukee's on the board and guess
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Speaker 3: who's done it?
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Speaker 4: William Contreras comes through again and he says, of.
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Speaker 1: Course I did.
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Speaker 4: On the 3-2 pitch, Mitchell strikes a base hit to
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Speaker 4: right center field.
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Speaker 2: It's 4-2, they've got it in hand.
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Speaker 4: 12, handoff to Gibbs, up the middle, it's center right.
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Speaker 4: Gibbs covered up, ball came loose. It's up for grabs
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Speaker 4: and a pileup inside the tenure of the 8th guard line.
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Speaker 2: It's Green Bay football.
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Speaker 4: The Packers recover.
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Speaker 3: Ground ball to cross, through the legs of Aranda. Everybody's
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Speaker 3: safe and it's 4-3. Behind the corner, he's in two.
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Speaker 4: Here comes Hicks, he doesn't want to run.
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Speaker 3: At all, but it's no question, he's out at home.
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Speaker 2: Mmm, boy. I'll tell you what, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you've seen it.
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Speaker 5: I'm just seeing it right now.
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Speaker 2: That was awful. That's an awful, awful call. He just
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Speaker 2: kind of ran into Goff and not even run into him.
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Speaker 2: He was getting up off his knees. Yeah. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's how much force he put into it. That's brutal.
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Speaker 2: That's a fly ball to deep center field. DeLuca's going back.
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Speaker 2: He's at the track. And it's gone! It's Sal Thurlick!
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Speaker 2: Tying down the tower!
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Speaker 5: Third down to the tank pocket.
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Speaker 4: Throws the left side. He's got his man down the
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Speaker 4: left sidelines. Jacobs breaking a tackle inside the 10, but
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Speaker 4: he stepped out of bounds.
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Speaker 2: Oh, and they call it a touchdown.
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Speaker 1: It is a touchdown.
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Speaker 4: Goff looks it over, takes the snap, hands it off
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Speaker 4: to Gibbs.
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Speaker 2: Yes!
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Speaker 3: He's tackled on the play.
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Speaker 4: Gibbs hit by Keyshawn Nixon. And also in on that play,
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Speaker 4: Jordan Riley. Excellent in the line, and.
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Speaker 6: It's Milwaukee in front.
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Speaker 3: They turn game two upside down.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Whelan down on one knee.
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Speaker 4: Snap.
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Speaker 2: Placement. Swing to the leg. And it is no good.
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Speaker 6: Oh, man. No good.
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Speaker 4: And the Lions rejoice at the sideline below us. 35-yard
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Speaker 4: field goal.
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Speaker 3: No good.
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Speaker 4: Here it is.
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Speaker 2: Placement.
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Speaker 1: Kick is up. And it is good.
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Speaker 4: And the Detroit Lions have defeated the Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 2: Here at Ford Field, 20-17. How did he go? He did!
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Speaker 1: What a comeback!
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Speaker 4: What a.
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Speaker 2: Start to the World Series in Milwaukee! 2-0 Brewers! On
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Speaker 2: to St.
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Speaker 5: Pete!
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Speaker 7: Welcome into the Monday edition of The Huddle. Drew Olsen
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Speaker 7: along with Armin Sarian. Billy Schmidt is on assignment today.
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Speaker 7: He is boots on the ground in Tampa.
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Speaker 2: He's on the Suncoast getting ready to.
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Speaker 7: Join us and get ready to watch Game 3 of
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Speaker 7: the World Series tonight.
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Speaker 6: Landed in Tampa to join our guy Hunter Baumgart as well.
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Speaker 2: Were you tracking both of their flights, Armand?
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Speaker 6: Trying to, you know. The increase in flight activity. from
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Speaker 6: Milwaukee to Tampa International has.
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Speaker 2: Made it a little tougher.
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Speaker 6: I mean, especially after I hear that the Brewers sent
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Speaker 6: five planes, thanks to Priester Aviation for their help on
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Speaker 6: that one as well. So trying to figure out which
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Speaker 6: planes were going there and which thought I was tracking is,
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Speaker 6: of course, Brewer fans are making their way south, Drew,
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Speaker 6: by any way, by way, planes, train automobiles, by hook
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Speaker 6: or crook. This should be a big Brewers contingent as
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Speaker 6: they're flying to Orlando, to Tampa, from Chicago, from Milwaukee.
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Speaker 6: any way they can to get down there. And as
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Speaker 6: you can see, the ticket market cratering at the old
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Speaker 6: musical at the Suncoast Dome.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you brought that up. And then the Thunderdome, but
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Speaker 2: now Tropicana Field.
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Speaker 7: So, what do we make of this Monday? All I
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Speaker 7: can think of is it's Dickensian. The best of times,
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Speaker 7: the worst of times. Brewers, everything's going the Brewers' way,
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Speaker 7: and it has been for most of this delirious run
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Speaker 7: the last couple weeks.
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Speaker 2: They're, what, 9-1 in the postseason now?
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: The only loss coming to the Padres in Oh, please
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Speaker 6: don't let that change.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice?
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Speaker 7: Nine and one in the postseason with one loss after
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Speaker 7: two wins at home against the Padres. So that would
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Speaker 7: put them, you know, to do that again, they would
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Speaker 7: have to lose tonight with fastball Freddie on the mound
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Speaker 7: against Bobby Diesel.
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Speaker 2: Which he's been good. Where are we, though? It's like
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Speaker 2: it's the best times. It's the worst times. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: get much better for the Brewers.
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Speaker 7: Everything's going their way, including some controversial calls that they overcame.
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Speaker 7: Packers could not overcome a slew of controversial calls. And
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Speaker 7: they lose a frustrating decision to the Lions yesterday at
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Speaker 7: Ford Field. They'll get a chance for redemption on what
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Speaker 7: will either be a glorious victory Thursday or an off
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Speaker 7: day in the World Series on Thursday night. Wayne Larrabee
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Speaker 7: is going to join us to talk about that about
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Speaker 7: 20 minutes from right now. And then Billy is going
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Speaker 7: to join us at 3.30. Tell us what it's like.
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Speaker 7: He'll set the scene for us in the Hunter Baumgart
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Speaker 7: live from the ballpark at 4.25. So a lot of
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Speaker 7: mixed emotions, Armin, because the Packers thing is still important
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Speaker 7: to people. And it's frustrating the way they've started. The
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Speaker 7: Badgers won a thriller, as other people were occupied watching
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Speaker 7: the World Series. Badgers beat USC on Saturday night, Camp Randall,
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Speaker 7: a field-storming victory.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, where are we here?
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Speaker 7: It's like you're giddy about the Brewers, frustrated about the Packers.
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Speaker 7: And I guess with the Packers, and I mean, a
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Speaker 7: friend of ours, former co-worker here at the Megaplex, rails
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Speaker 7: against replay all the time.
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Speaker 2: And replay giveth and taketh away.
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Speaker 7: Replay put game one in peril for the Brewers because
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Speaker 7: Cooper Pratt's spike wasn't touching the base on the neighborhood play,
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Speaker 7: which is an interesting development these days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they claim. Yeah, and then... And then you have, what, Jackson?
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Speaker 7: Rays fans are upset about the check swing that ended
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Speaker 7: game two.
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Speaker 2: Of which I'm convinced after seeing the.
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Speaker 6: I don't know if you caught Joey Votto's explanation that
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Speaker 6: that's an old batter's trick to flip the bat straight
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Speaker 6: up in the air to hide the check swing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That was probably a check.
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Speaker 6: Like, so there's a lot of ways you could go
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Speaker 6: about that. I know, you know, some people still are
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Speaker 6: looking at the cheerio slide into home.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that could have been.
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Speaker 6: Although I think that was probably the right call because
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Speaker 6: it bounced. But yeah, all those things. Are you.
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Speaker 2: Are you angry with replay today? Are you happy? Do
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Speaker 2: you not care about anything but the Brewers?
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people probably thinking, well, I
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Speaker 6: wish the Packers would have won because that was a
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Speaker 6: game they could have won. You could have gone five
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Speaker 6: and two. It was there for the taking, but it
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Speaker 6: is a three-point loss at Detroit. These things do happen,
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Speaker 6: and we have bigger fish to fry.
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Speaker 7: It's a three-point loss, but if the Brewers were out
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Speaker 7: of the equation, we'd open the phone lines, which we.
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Speaker 2: Do every day, 24-7. Last night on Packers OT, we did. NicolayLaw.com,
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Speaker 2: talk and text line 877-794-1973.
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Speaker 7: And people would be complaining about just some jaw-dropping calls
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Speaker 7: that hurt the Packers. And it's continuing a theme. I
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Speaker 7: think with the Packers, the theme, and when we ask
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Speaker 7: Wayne today, I'm sure he'll agree, the theme has been
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Speaker 7: of the season, has been penalties and drop passes.
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Speaker 2: Overarchingly.
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Speaker 7: Well, the lack of a run game has been... Lack
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Speaker 7: of a run game is systemic.
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Speaker 2: I'd say that.
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Speaker 7: But the penalties and the drop passes are things that
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Speaker 7: you can... conceivably control and the Packers lead the world
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Speaker 7: in penalties and they lead the world in penalty. Not,
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Speaker 7: not all penalties are created equal.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 7: There's a false start. And then you score a touchdown
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Speaker 7: the next play. It's not that big a deal, right?
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Speaker 7: But the Packers penalties have come in the second half,
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Speaker 7: especially in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 2: On third down, extending drives. Taking away turnovers, Drew.
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Speaker 7: Negating, nullifying turnovers. Last night again, since week one. Third down,
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Speaker 7: get off the fields. It has been happening at a
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Speaker 7: stunning rate. And I'm still flabbergasted by some of what
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Speaker 7: I saw yesterday. The intentional grounding on Jordan Love was unconscionable.
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Speaker 2: Incredibly absurd.
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Speaker 7: Two of the roughing the passers on Jared Goff were
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Speaker 7: equally bad.
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Speaker 2: You weren't satisfied with the pool report?
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Speaker 7: The unsportsmanlike conduct on Devontae Wyatt for continuing to play
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Speaker 7: football when Amon Russell and Brown did as well.
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Speaker 2: Bizarre is the only word for that. And a referee
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Speaker 2: got kicked.
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Speaker 7: In the stomach, got mad, threw a flag from his back,
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Speaker 7: flat on his back, threw a flag out of anger,
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Speaker 7: and none of the other crew members saved him from
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Speaker 7: himself and talked him out of it. Because and then
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Speaker 7: the pool report that said the referee didn't hear the whistle.
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Speaker 7: And how can guys in helmets hear the whistle if
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Speaker 7: the referee didn't? And what did Devontae Wyatt do wrong?
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Speaker 7: He suplexed the guy who had already been tackled.
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Speaker 2: Well, no one knew that because no one. heard a whistle.
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Speaker 7: They call that the next action or something. It's bizarre
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Speaker 7: the way things played out for the Packers. And writ large,
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Speaker 7: it's not just, and that was in the national window,
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Speaker 7: but it shone a light on what is becoming a
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Speaker 7: crisis in the National Football League. The officiating and the
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Speaker 7: inconsistency of and the the subjective nature of some of
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Speaker 7: the calls, it's driving people crazy. And it's, it's, they're
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Speaker 7: in the danger and they're not going to lose any
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Speaker 7: market share or anything, but it's driving the great product
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Speaker 7: into the ditch and it needs to be addressed.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it will be.
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Speaker 7: It reminds me, this is the worst officiating has been
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Speaker 7: these first seven weeks of the season to me since
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Speaker 7: replacement ball and Wayne and Larry and Wayne's talked to
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Speaker 7: us before the rule books gotten too big. And now
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Speaker 7: there's a lot of, a lot of drums are beating
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Speaker 7: and Billy is one of them. who thinks that they
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Speaker 7: need to have full-time referees. They need to pay the
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Speaker 7: referees a full-time wage so they can quit their jobs
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Speaker 7: as lawyers and school administrators and podiatrists or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Else these guys are.
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Speaker 6: I've never been in that camp because I don't know.
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Speaker 7: These guys could watch film more than... I know they
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Speaker 7: watch a lot of film. They get training and they
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Speaker 7: do it in the off-season. But if they're full-time and
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Speaker 7: they don't have to work their other jobs... Is that
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Speaker 7: going to make their eyesight better? Is it going to
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Speaker 7: make their judgment better? Is it going to make them
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Speaker 7: more mobile, the 60-year-old insurance agency owner? Is that going
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Speaker 7: to make him more mobile and able to swivel his
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Speaker 7: hips more and get around and see things?
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Speaker 2: I don't think that is.
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Speaker 7: I know that it is kind of ridiculous that the
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Speaker 7: NFL is the only league where they don't have full-time... officials.
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Speaker 6: It's also not as necessitated by time and place and
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Speaker 6: it's good because there's less games.
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Speaker 7: They work one day a week. They ostensibly work, what,
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Speaker 7: 20 days a year? Is that worthy of a full-time job?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think for me where I come down on it, Drew,
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Speaker 6: is like you could make that move. And I don't
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Speaker 6: know enough to know if it would work or make
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Speaker 6: a difference.
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Speaker 2: Work is the wrong word.
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Speaker 7: Make a difference. I bet the under on it. That's
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Speaker 7: what I'm saying. If it's the same guys, we'll.
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Speaker 2: Give them more training. We'll make them better. My point
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Speaker 2: is this, though.
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Speaker 6: If you're trying to satisfy a growing customer base or
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Speaker 6: audience base to your product, if you're trying to salve
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Speaker 6: their anger, what else can you do? I don't know
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Speaker 6: that there's anything else you can do at this point
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Speaker 6: because you have humans calling, you know, calling a very
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Speaker 6: physical game that's based on contact. That's based on judgment calls.
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Speaker 6: There's no, maybe basketball. There's no other sport that's based
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Speaker 6: so much on judgment call. Now, I don't know what
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Speaker 6: else you can do. And that's where I differ with
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Speaker 6: a lot of people is that they'll say like, well,
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Speaker 6: you have to do something.
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Speaker 2: When will something be done?
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Speaker 6: I don't know what they can do to improve this
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Speaker 6: because the reality is they're just trying to fix it
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Speaker 6: by over-legislating, which makes the problem worse. And the idea
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Speaker 6: that it will kill the game and kill the product
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Speaker 6: and the product is dead, I 100% disagree with. People
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Speaker 6: are going to watch the NFL no matter what, Drew,
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Speaker 6: no matter how angry they get each week, no matter,
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Speaker 6: I just can't be convinced that this product is in
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Speaker 6: Teflon at this point in American society.
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Speaker 2: It's the most successful product in the world. It's the
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Speaker 2: most profitable product there is.
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Speaker 6: I totally agree about the officiating being horrendous. And it just,
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Speaker 6: it's definitely seems like this is tribal. I know this
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Speaker 6: is biased. It seems like they're picking on the Packers
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Speaker 6: this year.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I usually don't say that, but
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Speaker 2: these numbers are kind of absurd.
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Speaker 6: The amount of ruffings, the amount of important calls going
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Speaker 6: their way that are totally questionable. But what in reality
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Speaker 6: can be done to fix this problem?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's the question.
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Speaker 6: And I don't think there's much. If you said we're
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Speaker 6: going to full-time officials, at least you tried that. And
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Speaker 6: that's where I would maybe lean toward that side of it.
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Speaker 6: Would it actually matter?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: And I don't, your logic isn't flawed that it doesn't
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Speaker 6: make much sense that it should, but Billy's theory is like, well,
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Speaker 6: they'd be studying all the time.
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Speaker 2: Then maybe that would help. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe, maybe.
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Speaker 7: Like I said, it's not going to, Not going to
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Speaker 7: improve their eyesight or their physical abilities to get around.
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Speaker 2: And their opinion. That's where pictures lie.
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Speaker 6: When humans are calling the type of game they are,
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Speaker 6: you could show 10 of us the same picture.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And we all have different things. In different angles, camera
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Speaker 2: angles lie as well.
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Speaker 7: Because there were angles where Cooper Pratt's foot looked like
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Speaker 7: it was off the bag, and then there were angles
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Speaker 7: where it looked like his cleat kind of scraped the bag.
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Speaker 2: We're getting down to micrometers because of the replay.
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Speaker 6: Right. But when we demand a better product and we
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Speaker 6: demand accuracy, that's what has to happen. So where's the utopia?
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Speaker 2: There isn't one. The facts are the facts.
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Speaker 7: The Packers lead the NFL by a wide margin in
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Speaker 7: penalty yards. And Minnesota, conversely, at the top of the division,
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Speaker 7: Packers are at the bottom of their division now at 4-3.
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Speaker 2: Minnesota, unbeaten, 6-0. Is at the top.
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Speaker 7: And that win probability added stat, which is your favorite
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Speaker 7: stat this side of war, WPA. The net WPA from
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Speaker 7: subjective calls, weeks one through seven in this season. The
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Speaker 7: Vikings have benefited the most from subjective calls. Their win
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Speaker 7: probability added when you balance calls against them and calls
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Speaker 7: for them. the number they came up with was plus 124.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 6: And I'm sure a lot were from week one. I
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Speaker 6: remember all those, that one drive. And look, they're undefeated.
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Speaker 7: They've had 27 of those calls for them and 11
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Speaker 7: against them.
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Speaker 2: The Chargers are second.
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Speaker 7: Now, the Vikings, just if you think of the numbers,
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Speaker 7: the Vikings are at plus 124. They lead the world.
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Speaker 7: The Chargers are second most lucky, I guess, or disciplined, lucky, both.
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Speaker 7: They're plus 76. So the Vikings are almost twice As
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Speaker 7: lucky when it comes to subjective calls as the second
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Speaker 7: most lucky slash discipline team.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 7: The Packers, 32nd last. I mean, I'm glad. Keep that
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Speaker 7: number in mind. The Vikings are plus 124. The Packers number.
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Speaker 7: Minus 82.6.
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Speaker 6: And if it wasn't that, I'm almost glad because if
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Speaker 6: it wasn't, those numbers weren't what you just gave me,
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Speaker 6: I'd almost be upset because it sure feels that way, right?
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Speaker 2: It sure feels that way. So there have.
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Speaker 7: Been 22 calls for the Packers in this subjective calls
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Speaker 7: and 36.
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Speaker 6: Against them i'll tell you what all these like whiny
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Speaker 6: bears and vikings fans always complain that the packers get
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Speaker 6: every call because of the league's darling you can't argue
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Speaker 6: that anymore okay the emperor has no clothes on that
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Speaker 6: argument i mean they're getting picked on this year it
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Speaker 6: seems like um obviously a lot of reaction to that
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Speaker 6: but i think to your original point drew i think
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Speaker 6: that is frustrating a lot of fans from yesterday where
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Speaker 6: it could have been a great weekend oh it still
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Speaker 6: still was let's be honest we I think we'd all
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Speaker 6: take a regular season loss for the Packers if it
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Speaker 6: meant a Brewers World Series.
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Speaker 2: Well, for sure.
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Speaker 6: So I think that's where people come down to it.
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Speaker 6: But the frustration over those calls, and yes, you could
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Speaker 6: have won. Yes, listen, you can't miss high school kicks. Okay,
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Speaker 6: 25 yards, 32, you can't miss those kicks. Packers might
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Speaker 6: have won if you just made those two kicks. Made
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Speaker 6: the two kicks, yes. So all these factors combined.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that adds to the frustrations. The Packers played
17:05
Speaker 7: well enough to win. There was at no point yesterday
17:07
Speaker 7: did you feel, or did I feel, like the Packers
17:09
Speaker 7: were in control of the game or firmly deserve to win.
17:14
Speaker 7: Because it struck me that yesterday's game was going to
17:15
Speaker 7: be whoever has the ball last is going to win.
17:18
Speaker 2: Right? That's the way it was going. Yes. In my estimation,
17:22
Speaker 2: as it unfolded. That's the way I felt.
17:24
Speaker 7: But to have the game and to, you know, referees,
17:32
Speaker 7: they're at their best when you don't notice them. And
17:34
Speaker 7: it's impossible not to notice referees because every time, and
17:37
Speaker 7: it's PTSD for all of us, but it'll be interesting
17:40
Speaker 7: to get Wayne's perspective. Because it seems like every time
17:44
Speaker 7: there's a play of significance, you temper your immediate reaction
17:48
Speaker 7: to it and you're looking for flags.
17:50
Speaker 2: That's it. That's a great point, Drew. That's a great observation.
17:53
Speaker 7: So you're not even enjoying the product as much as
17:55
Speaker 7: you would.
17:56
Speaker 6: That kills the product, yeah. It kills the product. And
17:59
Speaker 6: maybe it's a self-inflicted PTSD thing. You almost never had
18:03
Speaker 6: that in a sport like baseball. Now, ironically, you did
18:06
Speaker 6: in game one, right? Where the winning celebration was... was
18:10
Speaker 6: taken away, but that's super rare. You don't really have
18:15
Speaker 6: it in basketball unless they're reviewing a buzzer beater on
18:18
Speaker 6: if it left the guy's hand, you know, or maybe,
18:21
Speaker 6: maybe there can review, you know, things now, but, but
18:25
Speaker 6: in football, that's, that's a unique thing where you, it
18:29
Speaker 6: does affect your enjoyment when you have to watch for
18:31
Speaker 6: that flag.
18:32
Speaker 2: To pop up. You know, it's just incredible.
18:34
Speaker 6: You know, it's just incredible the way it's felt every
18:37
Speaker 6: week so far this year. And that's why, you know,
18:40
Speaker 6: as frustrating as it is, the Packers lost in the
18:43
Speaker 6: manner they did. They were trying to go 5-2. After
18:45
Speaker 6: the start they had to this year where they really struggled,
18:48
Speaker 6: you're still 4-3 after all that happened.
18:50
Speaker 2: It isn't the worst thing in the world. Now, it
18:52
Speaker 2: is because you're looking.
18:53
Speaker 6: Up in the division, and if that's your goal, everyone's
18:55
Speaker 6: higher than you because this division does not lose, basically.
18:59
Speaker 6: I mean, this division does not lose unless they're playing
19:02
Speaker 6: each other, so... Those are your frustrations.
19:04
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a pivotal game in terms of can
19:07
Speaker 7: the Packers still win the division?
19:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's going to take an inside straight of sorts.
19:11
Speaker 2: Like they're going to need help.
19:12
Speaker 7: And it's just that was a it was a pivotal
19:15
Speaker 7: swing game yesterday in terms of and it was the
19:17
Speaker 7: first game that the Lions played in the division.
19:21
Speaker 2: So that's bizarre, too. And the Lions have only played six.
19:24
Speaker 2: They've had their bye. Yeah, exactly.
19:25
Speaker 6: So.
19:26
Speaker 2: They're a weird team too, but we're not talking about
19:28
Speaker 2: the Lions.
19:29
Speaker 4: No.
19:29
Speaker 2: They're a weird team too.
19:30
Speaker 6: They are. I mean, they've, they, listen, if the Packers
19:33
Speaker 6: win that game, if the Packers make a very makeable kick,
19:36
Speaker 6: we're talking about 95%, right?
19:38
Speaker 2: Probably win. Oh yeah.
19:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
19:40
Speaker 6: You're talking about, you're talking once again about Dan Campbell
19:43
Speaker 6: going for fourth and one.
19:45
Speaker 2: Of course.
19:46
Speaker 7: He deserved to lose more than the Packers deserved to
19:48
Speaker 7: lose for his actions. And the Packers playing with their
19:51
Speaker 7: third string center.
19:52
Speaker 6: That was probably the best part of the John Williams.
19:55
Speaker 2: John Williams was fantastic. I'm calling him Hot Rod. Hot
19:58
Speaker 2: Rod Williams. Absolutely. The star out of Tulane in the
20:02
Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavs.
20:03
Speaker 7: Right, right, right.
20:04
Speaker 2: So hit us up, 877-794-1973.
20:06
Speaker 7: The baseball's been delicious, though, and a lot of people
20:09
Speaker 7: would make that trade, the deal with the devil.
20:11
Speaker 2: We will.
20:13
Speaker 7: Let the chips fall with the Packers if the Brewers
20:16
Speaker 7: can have this gilded path that they.
20:18
Speaker 2: Seem to be on. Now, let me ask you this, Armin.
20:20
Speaker 2: As the Eeyore, as the guy who's always looking for
20:22
Speaker 2: the clouds on the horizon.
20:22
Speaker 5: Oh, yes.
20:23
Speaker 2: How do you feel up 2-0? Are you still, like,
20:25
Speaker 2: completely nervous? Are you at ease? Is it over? No.
20:29
Speaker 7: Does it have to end in Tampa this week for
20:32
Speaker 7: you to be satisfied and happy? I know there are
20:34
Speaker 7: a lot of people secretly wishing that the Brewers would
20:37
Speaker 7: win in six so they could celebrate at home.
20:39
Speaker 2: Right.
20:39
Speaker 6: I'm not with those because I don't want to risk losing.
20:42
Speaker 2: Now, I'll say this. If it has to be.
20:44
Speaker 6: That, I'm going to be absolutely happy and delirious and satisfied.
20:47
Speaker 6: I'd be satisfied... If the Brewers win this series, I'll
20:52
Speaker 6: be satisfied no matter how it happens. It's not going
20:54
Speaker 6: to bother me one way or the other as long
20:55
Speaker 6: as I do. The nervousness in me, of course, wants
20:58
Speaker 6: to win it right away. You want to risk losing.
21:02
Speaker 6: So I'm completely happy. I'd be overjoyed if they did
21:05
Speaker 6: get it done in Tampa, if they get it done
21:08
Speaker 6: at all, but especially in Tampa.
21:10
Speaker 2: It's not over.
21:10
Speaker 6: There's too many 2-0 leads in the series that I
21:13
Speaker 6: remember that went for and against us that I can
21:16
Speaker 6: cite as my little cherry-picked examples in my head to say, hey, no, no.
21:20
Speaker 6: But obviously 3-0 is a different stratosphere. But you're obviously
21:24
Speaker 6: happy and excited to be up 2-0. You couldn't have
21:27
Speaker 6: it any better than what you have right now. You
21:29
Speaker 6: have to tell yourself that intellectually, even though it's still nervous.
21:31
Speaker 6: The nervousness, and Billy's not here, but he'll attest to
21:33
Speaker 6: it when I say it, it's smelling those cookies in
21:35
Speaker 6: the oven. That's my cookies theory, and it's always going
21:38
Speaker 6: to be that.
21:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, Freddy Peralta against Bobby Diesel tonight, and it's, in
21:42
Speaker 7: essence to me, and I'll say it, it's an elimination
21:45
Speaker 7: game for the Rays.
21:46
Speaker 6: If they lose, they ain't coming back. That's how I feel.
21:49
Speaker 2: 3-0 is 3-0.
21:50
Speaker 7: And if they lose tonight, if they were to win tomorrow,
21:52
Speaker 7: then you're still in a commanding, commanding position.
21:56
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
21:57
Speaker 7: I would prefer that the series not come back. Wrap
22:00
Speaker 7: it up there. Finish it as expeditiously as possible. A
22:03
Speaker 7: sweep would put.
22:05
Speaker 2: A stamp on it.
22:07
Speaker 7: Trust me, it won't make it any less sweet that
22:09
Speaker 7: it's not here. And again, this Rays team is pretty good.
22:12
Speaker 7: The breaks have been against them. The Brewers are a
22:13
Speaker 7: wagon right now. The Brewers are getting the breaks. The
22:15
Speaker 7: Rays certainly are capable of winning a couple games here.
22:20
Speaker 7: They've been making some mistakes. Brewers haven't played a clean
22:23
Speaker 7: game either. It's been a fascinating series on that front
22:25
Speaker 7: because both of these teams were so good during the
22:26
Speaker 7: regular season. And they've been, not themselves, but the Brewers
22:32
Speaker 7: are making the best of things. Whereas the Packers, adversity
22:35
Speaker 7: comes and then the snowball rolls down the hill in
22:38
Speaker 7: a bad way. So the Packers just can't... The Packers,
22:44
Speaker 7: they had the lead in the second half again yesterday.
22:45
Speaker 1: 14-10.
22:46
Speaker 2: Then it was tied and they ended up losing.
22:50
Speaker 2: Again, horrific circumstance.
22:52
Speaker 7: And as frustrating as the referees were, the Packers had
22:55
Speaker 7: a turnover under five minutes left, were gifted the ball,
22:59
Speaker 7: and gained three yards and missed a field goal. So
23:04
Speaker 7: it's on them as much as anything. They didn't overcome
23:06
Speaker 7: themselves or the referees. But again, two things can be true.
23:10
Speaker 7: You've got to hold those conflicting thoughts in your head.
23:11
Speaker 7: The Packers should have won that game, and the refereeing
23:13
Speaker 7: was atrocious, and it's reaching a crisis in the national
23:16
Speaker 7: football league. When we come back, we're going to talk
23:17
Speaker 7: to the voice of the Packers, And our friend, Wayne Larrabee,
23:21
Speaker 7: will join the party next. And then we're going to
23:24
Speaker 7: probably end up taking some angry texts about the refs
23:27
Speaker 7: and then just looking ahead and we'll serve as a
23:29
Speaker 7: pregame show, a hype train for what's going to happen.
23:32
Speaker 7: Game three, lots of cheesers in Tampa, including our own
23:35
Speaker 7: Hunter Baumgart. He joins us at 425. He'll have a
23:37
Speaker 7: show for you between five and seven, a two-hour pregame
23:40
Speaker 7: extravaganza leading into first pitch tonight. And Billy Schmidt, who
23:44
Speaker 7: is with his wife, Allie, down in Tampa, going to
23:47
Speaker 7: the game tonight, and then coming back, he'll be with
23:49
Speaker 7: us tomorrow. But he's going to join us at 325
23:51
Speaker 7: with a scene setter. Get yourself a comfortable chair and
23:54
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23:56
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24:11
Speaker 7: The Monday edition of The Huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin,
24:13
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Speaker 7: and YouTube. Drew Olson and Armin Sarian. Bill Schmid is
24:20
Speaker 7: in Tampa. He has touched down and getting ready to
24:23
Speaker 7: go attend game three of the World Series. But right now,
24:27
Speaker 7: we're talking about the Packers and the Lions and looking
24:29
Speaker 7: ahead to Packers and Panthers. And joining us, our pal,
24:33
Speaker 7: the voice of the Packers, friend of the program, Wayne Larravee,
24:35
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24:47
Speaker 2: Wayne, welcome to the program.
24:51
Speaker 7: All I can say is we've been talking about all
24:52
Speaker 7: year the theme of the year for the Packers. A
24:56
Speaker 7: shaky running game, a historically shaky running game, drops by
24:59
Speaker 7: the receivers and penalties. And none of those things were
25:03
Speaker 7: alleviated yesterday. Oh, and we mixed in some missed kicks
25:06
Speaker 7: as well. I got to start with the officiating, though.
25:09
Speaker 7: We have never been a second guest play calling or
25:13
Speaker 7: blame it on the refs show here. That's not my vibe.
25:16
Speaker 7: It's not Billy's or Armand's, but it's hard to we've
25:18
Speaker 7: been talking about.
25:19
Speaker 2: It league wide.
25:20
Speaker 7: It's hard to avoid what happened yesterday with the calls
25:23
Speaker 7: that went against Packers and just the whole tenor of
25:25
Speaker 7: officiating in the league.
25:27
Speaker 2: I think that's where we have to start today.
25:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't agree with you more, Drew, and it's
25:31
Speaker 5: not just, I've been saying this for weeks now, it's
25:34
Speaker 5: not just Packers games, and I understand much of our
25:37
Speaker 5: audience watches the Packers primarily, but if you watch games
25:40
Speaker 5: around the league like I do, this is something that
25:43
Speaker 5: is not indigenous to the Packers or their games. It's
25:46
Speaker 5: around the league, it's over-officiating over the top, and the
25:52
Speaker 5: only way, and I said this last week, the only
25:54
Speaker 5: way they can ruin this beautiful game is by over-officiating
25:58
Speaker 5: And that's exactly what they're doing across the National Football League. Now,
26:02
Speaker 5: you look at yesterday's game in Detroit. The inconsistencies. They
26:07
Speaker 5: let these teams play in the first half. Two accepted
26:10
Speaker 5: penalties combined by both teams. One for five yards on
26:17
Speaker 5: each team. But in the second half, my goodness, 11 penalties,
26:22
Speaker 5: 121 yards, seven penalties against Green Bay, 76 yards. And,
26:28
Speaker 5: of course, it's never about how many penalties. It's what
26:31
Speaker 5: the penalties cost you and where do they come in
26:34
Speaker 5: the context of the game. And the Packers have had
26:37
Speaker 5: really bad luck in those two areas.
26:39
Speaker 6: And that's what I think is frustrating most fans is
26:41
Speaker 6: the timing of a lot of them. It seems inconsistent, Wayne.
26:45
Speaker 6: And Drew and Billy were talking about it last night
26:47
Speaker 6: on Packers OT as well. What actionable steps could the
26:50
Speaker 6: league actually take to improve this? Would full-time officiating be
26:54
Speaker 6: an option?
26:55
Speaker 2: I know Drew and Billy debate that a lot.
26:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. No, I think it's a matter
27:00
Speaker 5: of there has to be a little bit of judgment
27:03
Speaker 5: in this. And I think what the league has done,
27:05
Speaker 5: what the initiating arm of the league has done, is
27:09
Speaker 5: trying to take judgment out of the process. You know,
27:13
Speaker 5: for example, the Brandon Cisse pass interference that cost him
27:17
Speaker 5: an interception. If you look at that play, yeah, he
27:21
Speaker 5: gets run into by the receiver. Yeah, he's got his
27:23
Speaker 5: hands on his shoulder pads. But did he do anything
27:27
Speaker 5: to gain an advantage? Did he shove Amon Ross St.
27:30
Speaker 5: Brown out of the way? Did he hold Amon Ross St. Brown?
27:33
Speaker 5: And the answer, if you watch the replay, is no
27:35
Speaker 5: to both of those questions. So consequently, it's a play
27:39
Speaker 5: the official didn't really have to throw a flag on.
27:41
Speaker 5: But technically, he had his hands on him. And so
27:45
Speaker 5: by the letter of the law, the official had to
27:48
Speaker 5: throw the flag. And here's the other thing I've said
27:51
Speaker 5: many times over the last several weeks. we all blame
27:54
Speaker 5: the officials on the field, but understand this. If they
27:58
Speaker 5: make a judgment call and don't throw a flag, they
28:01
Speaker 5: will be downgraded by the league office during the week.
28:04
Speaker 5: So this is something that the league has to look
28:07
Speaker 5: at from the top on down.
28:09
Speaker 2: That's very well put Wayne Larrabee joining us here on
28:11
Speaker 2: the huddle.
28:12
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:12
Speaker 2: The ecosystem needs fixing. I don't know.
28:15
Speaker 7: Like for me, it's like, if those guys had to
28:16
Speaker 7: quit their jobs as a president of their own insurance
28:19
Speaker 7: agency or, Bank vice president or school principal, does that
28:23
Speaker 7: make their eyesight better or does it make them more
28:26
Speaker 7: physically gifted in terms of training to turn their hips
28:29
Speaker 7: and be able to see more plays? I don't know
28:32
Speaker 7: if that's going to help that much. It might make
28:34
Speaker 7: people feel better about the officiating or that it's more
28:37
Speaker 7: under control.
28:38
Speaker 2: But you're right, Wayne. And the subjectivity of it has
28:41
Speaker 2: always been there. But what's a penalty?
28:43
Speaker 7: What's not the perfect example with CSA that not all
28:46
Speaker 7: penalties are created equal. And it seems like the Packers
28:48
Speaker 7: penalties extend drives or cost them turnovers.
28:52
Speaker 1: Right.
28:53
Speaker 7: And the CSA play, I saw a play in the
28:55
Speaker 7: middle of the field with a back judge looking right
28:57
Speaker 7: at it where a defender held Matthew Golden's arm and
29:01
Speaker 7: he forced him to try to make a one arm catch.
29:03
Speaker 2: And it was in plain sight. It wasn't just normal
29:06
Speaker 2: hand fighting.
29:06
Speaker 7: It looked to me like he was gaining an advantage
29:08
Speaker 7: and preventing an attempt at a catch.
29:11
Speaker 2: And that was no call. Nothing to see here, folks.
29:14
Speaker 7: And even like Brady and Kevin Burkhardt kind of glossed
29:18
Speaker 7: over it and like, oh, that could have been called.
29:20
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well, what are we doing?
29:22
Speaker 7: If one's a penalty and the other isn't, that's where
29:24
Speaker 7: the frustration comes in. And no one can trust what
29:27
Speaker 7: they're seeing. And Wayne, what's killing me about they're sucking
29:30
Speaker 7: the joy out of the game, because when you see
29:31
Speaker 7: an exciting play, your first reaction now is.
29:33
Speaker 2: All right, what are they going to call? Where's the flag?
29:37
Speaker 2: I guess it stands for now.
29:39
Speaker 7: The experience is being ruined in my eyes.
29:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't agree with you more, Drew, and you're right.
29:45
Speaker 5: I mean, every time now something, a big play happens,
29:48
Speaker 5: you're looking for the flag. They're going to stop this play,
29:50
Speaker 5: aren't they? It's gotten that way, and it's that way
29:54
Speaker 5: across the league, folks. It's not just the Packers. You know,
29:58
Speaker 5: I don't care what the numbers overall say. It's never
30:01
Speaker 5: about the numbers. It's the penalties they call and when
30:04
Speaker 5: they call them that change the complexion of a game
30:07
Speaker 5: and or a season.
30:09
Speaker 7: Okay, the numbers of this game, Packers won the turnover
30:12
Speaker 7: battle 2-1. Time of possession, the Lions won by three seconds.
30:16
Speaker 7: It was a back-and-forth game, typical knockdown, drag-out, NFC North battle,
30:22
Speaker 7: kind of what we expected. Maybe lower scoring than we expected,
30:25
Speaker 7: but kind of what we expected. Packers, though, five for
30:29
Speaker 7: 15 on third down, mitigated somewhat by going three for
30:32
Speaker 7: four on fourth down, but one for four in the
30:35
Speaker 7: red zone. And again, that's been a season long theme.
30:37
Speaker 7: And when you miss two kicks like that and you
30:39
Speaker 7: lose the way they did, we're going to focus on
30:40
Speaker 7: the kicking game. What stands out to you the most, Wayne,
30:43
Speaker 7: is officiating aside and take that out of the equation.
30:48
Speaker 7: Where do the Packers come up short that cost them
30:51
Speaker 7: this victory?
30:53
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't think they took advantage of
30:55
Speaker 5: the Detroit secondary. I was impressed with the way the
30:58
Speaker 5: Lions played defensively in the secondary. They came in last
31:01
Speaker 5: in the league in passing yardage allowed. They were giving
31:05
Speaker 5: up 68% completions. They were getting torched through the air,
31:10
Speaker 5: 29th in opponent passer rating, and yet the Packers weren't
31:14
Speaker 5: able to do a whole lot. You know, the big
31:17
Speaker 5: two for Green Bay. I'm going to give you these stats, okay?
31:22
Speaker 5: Matthew Gold and Christian Watson, way off of their numbers,
31:26
Speaker 5: their combined numbers on a regular basis, 11 receptions, 20 targets,
31:32
Speaker 5: just 11 receptions. That's a little bit better than 50%
31:35
Speaker 5: completion rate, and it should be much higher than that.
31:39
Speaker 5: 96 yards, well below what these two guys do on
31:42
Speaker 5: a combined basis, no touchdowns. They average 8.7 yards per reception.
31:47
Speaker 5: So I was really surprised about that aspect of it.
31:50
Speaker 5: But the other thing is this. If the Packers can't
31:54
Speaker 5: run the football any better than they are now, as
31:58
Speaker 5: this season will wear on, it'll get harder and harder
32:02
Speaker 5: to get numbers through the air, okay? Because teams are
32:06
Speaker 5: going to be able to scheme their defense a different way.
32:09
Speaker 5: They're not going to have to worry too much about
32:10
Speaker 5: the run. The safeties are going to set. You're going
32:12
Speaker 5: to see two safeties high a lot. You're going to
32:14
Speaker 5: see zone coverage a lot because teams are not going
32:18
Speaker 5: to be worried so much about the run they're going
32:20
Speaker 5: to be taking away the pass. And if they do that,
32:22
Speaker 5: they feel like, well, make the Packers beat us on
32:25
Speaker 5: the ground. And they probably can't. That's what the other
32:28
Speaker 5: team will be saying as we go along. Now, Josh
32:31
Speaker 5: Jacobs got some run yesterday and I thought, you know, uh,
32:36
Speaker 5: maybe a little, maybe he was a little rusty, but
32:39
Speaker 5: I didn't see he had much more to run through
32:42
Speaker 5: in terms of holes, uh, to run through than I've
32:45
Speaker 5: seen earlier in the season with the other two backs.
32:48
Speaker 5: And so, uh, You know, we were all hoping, OK,
32:51
Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs is back. Now the Packers are going to
32:53
Speaker 5: rush for 150 yards. And that didn't happen. Now, maybe
32:57
Speaker 5: it will down the road. Maybe it will on Thursday night.
32:59
Speaker 5: Josh is shaking off some rust. But actually, he was
33:02
Speaker 5: more effective as a receiver than he was as a
33:05
Speaker 5: running back in this offense. So but I think you really,
33:09
Speaker 5: you know, Kansas City has the same problem. Kansas City
33:12
Speaker 5: got torched last night with 20 to three. I mean,
33:16
Speaker 5: that was not even as close as that final score
33:18
Speaker 5: would indicate it last night because the Chiefs couldn't run
33:21
Speaker 5: the ball. Seattle stopped the run, and that was it.
33:23
Speaker 5: Kansas City couldn't throw the ball. Teams are going to
33:27
Speaker 5: scheme Green Bay differently if the Packers show they cannot
33:30
Speaker 5: balance their offense, and I know that's a huge concern
33:33
Speaker 5: for Coach LaFleur and his offensive staff.
33:36
Speaker 7: Given the way the game unfolded, though, losing Sean Ryan
33:38
Speaker 7: early and then Jacob Monk right after that.
33:41
Speaker 2: Two centers you lost.
33:42
Speaker 7: They held up pretty well with Armand's calling him John
33:46
Speaker 7: Hot Rod Williams.
33:47
Speaker 2: Hot Rod. Hot Rod Williams. That's a reference.
33:49
Speaker 7: At center, I was just glad he got the ball
33:52
Speaker 7: snapped and did okay. The Lions got their center, their
33:56
Speaker 7: starting center back from injury yesterday, and he caused two fumbles.
33:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:59
Speaker 2: And the Packers third string guy who barely.
34:02
Speaker 7: Even, well, we don't see practice once camp is over,
34:05
Speaker 7: but I remember him in camp, mostly a tackle, and
34:09
Speaker 7: he screwed up a couple snaps, and then we didn't
34:11
Speaker 7: see him in practice anymore and center. So I guess
34:13
Speaker 7: he is the emergency, and he gets some work back there. But, Wayne,
34:17
Speaker 7: that could have been disastrous, and they kind of avoided that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Larry gave him his offensive lineman of the game
34:24
Speaker 5: award because he came in, like you said, Drew, cold. And,
34:28
Speaker 5: you know, handled all the snaps. There wasn't a problem,
34:32
Speaker 5: you know, which, and hey, listen, you could expect a
34:35
Speaker 5: problem or two when you got a guy who's been
34:37
Speaker 5: a tackle most of the year. Now he's got to
34:38
Speaker 5: play center right on the spot, no preparation. And yet,
34:42
Speaker 5: you know, I thought he held up pretty well. I
34:44
Speaker 5: thought the line held up fairly well too. You know,
34:47
Speaker 5: Detroit had a sack. They had six quarterback hits, but
34:51
Speaker 5: only one tackle for loss. And, you know, I think
34:55
Speaker 5: the Packers line held up okay. In this circumstance, it's just, hey,
35:00
Speaker 5: the grit, the determination. Larry said it best on the air.
35:04
Speaker 5: You can't question that. The Packers brought that to the table.
35:07
Speaker 5: They brought physicality to the table. But there were opportunities
35:11
Speaker 5: to win this game. And the Packers, when those opportunities
35:14
Speaker 5: showed themselves, weren't able to get it done. That was
35:17
Speaker 5: the disappointing aspect of this game.
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Speaker 2: And they didn't.
35:20
Speaker 7: You mentioned it in the pregame and last week with us,
35:22
Speaker 7: getting Jared Goff off his spot. They didn't get a
35:25
Speaker 7: lot of heat on Jared Goff.
35:27
Speaker 6: No, they didn't.
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Speaker 2: They didn't rough him up.
35:28
Speaker 5: Lucas Van Ness working against maybe the best, well, one
35:32
Speaker 5: of the best tackles in the game, Panay Sewell. Very
35:35
Speaker 5: quiet game. At one point off the air, I said
35:37
Speaker 5: to Larry, is Lucas Van Ness in this game? Because
35:40
Speaker 5: you know what? I mean, he just, you know, you
35:42
Speaker 5: didn't see much at all. And, you know, Van Ness
35:45
Speaker 5: had no tackles. He had one quarterback hit.
35:48
Speaker 2: So Sewell locked him up. Speaking of, are they in
35:51
Speaker 2: this game?
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Speaker 7: Like Packers had Aaron Glenn active. allegedly and Kevin Zeitler
35:57
Speaker 7: inactive for yesterday. And a lot of folks were thinking
36:00
Speaker 7: that this would be the Kevin Zeitler weekend. Josh Jacobs
36:02
Speaker 7: is back and let's see what the running game looks
36:03
Speaker 7: like now. Will the Sean Ryan injury prompt anything? Do
36:08
Speaker 7: you think Wayne, do they have to now go to
36:10
Speaker 7: Kevin Zeitler? You're beginning to wonder why they took him
36:12
Speaker 7: off the couch in Eagle river and why they didn't
36:15
Speaker 7: just let him pay him 4 million to come in and,
36:17
Speaker 7: and be a coach during practice to help the young guys.
36:20
Speaker 7: Like what are we seeing here? And where does that,
36:23
Speaker 7: that line go from here?
36:25
Speaker 5: Somebody said to me when the inactives came out, said,
36:27
Speaker 5: I want the job where I get $ 4 million a
36:30
Speaker 5: year to be inactive. I thought that was a great line. But, no,
36:37
Speaker 5: I think that what the Packers have been doing, Drew, and, hey,
36:40
Speaker 5: there could be some changes this week. Who knows? And
36:43
Speaker 5: the status of Sean Ryan going forward. He's got what
36:46
Speaker 5: appeared to be an apparently significant ankle injury. I don't know.
36:50
Speaker 5: I didn't hear anything today yet. But– there could be
36:53
Speaker 5: some moves on the offensive line, but what they've been
36:55
Speaker 5: trying to do the last several weeks, three or four
36:58
Speaker 5: weeks now is keep the same group together. Continuity is
37:01
Speaker 5: so important on the offensive line and they're trying to
37:04
Speaker 5: get these guys to play together, get that continuity and
37:07
Speaker 5: hope that it would get better as the season went along.
37:10
Speaker 5: You know, we're just not seeing a lot of room
37:12
Speaker 5: for the run game. And if they can't get the
37:14
Speaker 5: run game going, it's going to get harder to pass
37:17
Speaker 5: the football, even against some of these bad pass defenses
37:20
Speaker 5: like Dallas and Detroit.
37:21
Speaker 6: Wayne, I thought it was another good night for the defense,
37:24
Speaker 6: forcing some turnovers against a team that doesn't do it
37:26
Speaker 6: a lot and keeping the Packers in this game consistently.
37:29
Speaker 5: And Armin, Jared Goff was on the verge of throwing
37:32
Speaker 5: a couple of interceptions in that game, and he hasn't
37:34
Speaker 5: thrown an interception yet this year.
37:36
Speaker 2: One got called back by the penalty, yeah.
37:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, one called back by the penalty. There was another one.
37:41
Speaker 5: I think there was a dropped interception by the Packers
37:44
Speaker 5: also in that game. No, I thought the defense played
37:47
Speaker 5: admirably and they played well all year. Jonathan Gannon, I
37:51
Speaker 5: think because of the receiving core that he was facing,
37:55
Speaker 5: didn't bring as much pressure off the edges as he
37:58
Speaker 5: has in some other games. But, you know, every game
38:02
Speaker 5: is different. Every game plan is different. And Detroit presented, obviously,
38:05
Speaker 5: with Amon Ross, St. Brown, Jamison Williams. Isaac Teslaw was
38:10
Speaker 5: very quiet, but he's an effective receiver for them on
38:12
Speaker 5: the outside. And then Sam Laporta, you know, I mean,
38:16
Speaker 5: next to McBride in Arizona might be the best or
38:19
Speaker 5: one of the best pass-catching tight ends in the game today.
38:22
Speaker 5: So with that having been said, with those targets out there,
38:26
Speaker 5: you know, you really risk taking a cornerback and blitzing
38:29
Speaker 5: them off the edge, although Keyshawn got a tackle for loss.
38:33
Speaker 5: You know, they made some plays, but weren't able to
38:35
Speaker 5: bring the pressure the way they normally would, I think,
38:37
Speaker 5: because they had to make sure they had these guys
38:40
Speaker 5: covered downfield.
38:41
Speaker 7: All right, final question here for Wayne Larrabee. There's no
38:43
Speaker 7: time to wallow. The Packers play Thursday night against Carolina.
38:46
Speaker 7: Carolina at home yesterday got absolutely slaughtered.
38:50
Speaker 2: Boat raced. By Tampa Bay.
38:52
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay scored 26 points in the second quarter. Baker
38:56
Speaker 7: Mayfield was the winning quarterback. He was 7 for 11
38:58
Speaker 7: for 64 yards and a touchdown. They rushed for 258
38:59
Speaker 7: yards on 49 attempts. Now, does this mean that the
39:06
Speaker 7: Packers have to try to establish some kind of running
39:08
Speaker 7: game against that defense? Would you rather face a team
39:10
Speaker 7: coming off a 43-13 victory on Thursday night or a
39:13
Speaker 7: 43-13 home loss?
39:15
Speaker 2: Who would you rather face?
39:18
Speaker 5: I would rather not face an NFC South team. Why? Well,
39:21
Speaker 5: people say, well, it's a bad division. Yeah, but all
39:24
Speaker 5: of those teams are capable of knocking off anybody in
39:27
Speaker 5: the league. Look what Atlanta did in Green Bay a
39:30
Speaker 5: few Thursday nights ago, and look what they did yesterday
39:34
Speaker 5: to San Francisco. And I understand the Niners, all these
39:36
Speaker 5: injuries and everything, but that didn't prevent them from going, what, 6-0? No,
39:40
Speaker 5: come on. These teams are really capable. Tampa Bay. blew
39:44
Speaker 5: away Dallas to get their first win of the season,
39:46
Speaker 5: and then they blow out Carolina. Carolina gave up 59
39:51
Speaker 5: to the Bears on opening day, and yet three, four
39:56
Speaker 5: weeks later, they buried Detroit. They dominated Detroit in a
40:00
Speaker 5: Sunday night victory. You never know what you're going to
40:02
Speaker 5: get with these NFC South teams. I'd rather not even
40:06
Speaker 5: bother with them, but the Packers have this one. on
40:09
Speaker 5: Thursday night. And the thing about this game drew is
40:12
Speaker 5: that I think Carolina will come in here. I think
40:14
Speaker 5: they'll try to run the football again. That's how that,
40:16
Speaker 5: that was the formula for them in a 16, 13
40:19
Speaker 5: win last year. The guys really wasn't as close as
40:23
Speaker 5: 16 to 13 Carolina dominated in the trenches in that game.
40:26
Speaker 7: That's what I remember as well. It's going to be
40:28
Speaker 7: an interesting week, obviously a quick week. There's no Packers
40:31
Speaker 7: availability today. I guess a Lafleur tomorrow. And then the
40:34
Speaker 7: coordinators on Wednesday, if I'm not mistaken, you know, They
40:38
Speaker 7: can talk about the offensive line. We'll know some more
40:41
Speaker 7: things heading into Thursday, I believe. Wayne, on the way out,
40:45
Speaker 7: what do you think about the Brewers? Do they have
40:47
Speaker 7: a sweep in them? Can they end this series in Tampa?
40:52
Speaker 5: Why not, Drew? I mean, they're down 4-0 the other night.
40:56
Speaker 5: That was nothing. That just meant it would be a
40:59
Speaker 5: little more dramatic in the end. No, they're playing terrific.
41:03
Speaker 5: I think Tampa's a very good team as well. Wouldn't
41:05
Speaker 5: surprise me if Tampa got a game down in Tampa,
41:09
Speaker 5: maybe even two, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise
41:12
Speaker 5: me if that series comes back to Milwaukee. But on
41:14
Speaker 5: the other hand, I'd be, I wouldn't be surprised at
41:18
Speaker 5: all if the Brewers got it done in Tampa in
41:21
Speaker 5: these next three nights. So just, you know, it's been
41:24
Speaker 5: tremendous to watch them play and how much confidence they're
41:28
Speaker 5: playing with. That's the thing you got to look at,
41:30
Speaker 5: how much confidence they are playing with. And they're playing
41:33
Speaker 5: on such an edge. And it hasn't been just for
41:36
Speaker 5: the playoffs. They finish, as you guys well know better
41:38
Speaker 5: than I, they finish the regular season strong as well.
41:42
Speaker 5: So this is no fluke. They're not on a heater.
41:46
Speaker 5: This is how they're playing, and this is who they are.
41:48
Speaker 5: They're going to win the World Series, guys. It's just
41:51
Speaker 5: a matter, will they bring it back to Milwaukee? Do
41:54
Speaker 5: you want them to take that chance and bring it
41:56
Speaker 5: back to Milwaukee?
41:57
Speaker 2: No chances.
41:58
Speaker 7: Arm is nervous, but in order to lose the series,
42:00
Speaker 7: they'd have to lose four out of five, something they've
42:01
Speaker 7: only done like twice since April.
42:04
Speaker 2: From your mouth to God's ears, Wayne. Just saying, just saying.
42:07
Speaker 7: Wayne, thanks for joining us. We look forward to Thursday
42:09
Speaker 7: night at Lambeau.
42:11
Speaker 5: Well, we are, but go Broders in the meantime. We're
42:13
Speaker 5: looking forward to that as well.
42:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't wait till tonight. Thanks, Wayne.
42:16
Speaker 5: You got it, guys.
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42:27
Speaker 2: You're in the huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin. It's the
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Speaker 2: Monday edition of the huddle.
42:32
Speaker 7: Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin, Drew Olson, Armin Sarian, Bill Schmid
42:35
Speaker 7: is going to join us in about half hour. Hunter
42:38
Speaker 7: Baumgart joins us at 430. They're both in Tampa. And
42:41
Speaker 7: it's rare for me in sports to have FOMO. Because
42:44
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, it'd be great to go on the road.
42:46
Speaker 7: It's like, after all the years I did, it's like, well,
42:48
Speaker 7: it's just another trip, another hotel. But I'd like to
42:50
Speaker 7: be in Tampa now, not only for the weather.
42:53
Speaker 6: But to experience the madness of Brewers fans and what
42:55
Speaker 6: might be.
42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, of what could be.
42:58
Speaker 6: Just like JDM Shane going down there tomorrow with four
43:00
Speaker 6: and five with Rowan.
43:01
Speaker 2: All right. A lot of people chiming in. Yeah. You know,
43:06
Speaker 2: I could be selfishly.
43:07
Speaker 7: We always say media starts with me, but I could say, well,
43:11
Speaker 7: you know, maybe if it was in game six, I'd
43:13
Speaker 7: get to see the clinching. I'm not that way. If
43:16
Speaker 7: the Brewers are going to win, win it on your
43:18
Speaker 7: own time. And I'm not worried about my own personal,
43:21
Speaker 7: whether I have to be there or not.
43:23
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no question the experience would be special
43:25
Speaker 6: to win it at home. But I rather think that
43:28
Speaker 6: we would be celebrating it no matter what happens, what experience.
43:32
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll change in one bit, so I
43:34
Speaker 2: don't care.
43:35
Speaker 6: However, yeah, I mean, if you could play sports gods
43:39
Speaker 6: and do whatever you want.
43:39
Speaker 7: The Packers last Super Bowl did not have a home
43:42
Speaker 7: game in the run. No, all the Brewers have had
43:45
Speaker 7: some runs.
43:45
Speaker 5: No.
43:46
Speaker 2: And do we remember it differently?
43:47
Speaker 6: No.
43:47
Speaker 2: I mean, so listen, it is what it is. The
43:51
Speaker 2: job's in front of them now.
43:52
Speaker 6: So there's going to be a great Brewer contingent, Brewer
43:56
Speaker 6: fan contingent, excuse me, down there. It seems like from
43:59
Speaker 6: all the facts available to us that so many Brewers fans,
44:02
Speaker 6: you know, anecdotally, we've seen the flights, we've seen all that.
44:06
Speaker 6: Should be a good crowd there supporting the Brewers there, Drew.
44:11
Speaker 2: So I think we're all excited about that as well.
44:13
Speaker 7: Ben on the NicoletLaw.com talk and text line, 877-794-1973. He said,
44:18
Speaker 7: if the Brewers lose any game, the only one I'm
44:20
Speaker 7: okay losing is to fastball Freddie.
44:23
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I like Freddie, but I also think that
44:25
Speaker 6: I'm going to not feel anything for him.
44:27
Speaker 2: I like him a lot.
44:28
Speaker 6: I'm proud that he's got the LCS and that he's
44:30
Speaker 6: done well. I still want to win this game, obviously.
44:34
Speaker 6: Would I be okay losing? I'm not going to feel
44:36
Speaker 6: good if we lose. That's just not going to happen.
44:38
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
44:39
Speaker 7: Are you really losing to Freddie, who at the most
44:41
Speaker 7: is going to go five or six innings?
44:43
Speaker 2: Starters are just like.
44:46
Speaker 6: The idea of a starter is just a reasonable facsimile
44:49
Speaker 6: thereof when it comes to the World Series.
44:51
Speaker 2: It's just three or four innings, and you're out.
44:53
Speaker 7: It's gotten to the point where starting pitching, that's a
44:57
Speaker 7: regular season thing. You could just go with bullpen days.
45:00
Speaker 6: And Smoltz hit on it the other day. And yeah,
45:04
Speaker 6: I still have to explain this to my dad and
45:05
Speaker 6: my uncle. They're not even looking for five innings out
45:08
Speaker 6: of these guys really that much anymore. They're three or four,
45:10
Speaker 6: and then we're going to get to different looks, different
45:12
Speaker 6: bullpen guys. It was the 2005 White Sox crew that
45:16
Speaker 6: had like four complete games from starters, I think, to
45:18
Speaker 6: win or something like that.
45:19
Speaker 2: Those days are long gone.
45:21
Speaker 6: And we know what Freddie is able to do, but
45:23
Speaker 6: we also know that sometimes he gets saddled with the
45:25
Speaker 6: pitch count situation. So the thing is, the Rays will
45:28
Speaker 6: be desperate tonight. They're going to probably look at it
45:31
Speaker 6: like a game seven. They have to win a game three.
45:35
Speaker 6: So they're going to look at it that way. So
45:37
Speaker 6: we don't know what they're going to try and do
45:38
Speaker 6: and push. I suppose if Freddie's cruising, they're going to
45:41
Speaker 6: try and push him as long as they can, but Yeah,
45:44
Speaker 6: you're right. I mean, you wouldn't be losing to Freddie.
45:47
Speaker 6: It's unlikely he'd be crushing you for eight or nine innings.
45:49
Speaker 6: It's just not how it goes anymore.
45:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all.
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Speaker 7: join us. He is traveling to the game. He didn't
46:22
Speaker 7: get to go to a World Series game in Milwaukee.
46:24
Speaker 7: There might not be another one in this round, in
46:26
Speaker 7: this go-around. But he is going to be at the
46:29
Speaker 7: game tonight at the Trop, wearing Brewer's gear and hollering
46:32
Speaker 7: with the rest of the cheesers. I think it's going
46:35
Speaker 7: to be a full-fledged invasion.
46:37
Speaker 2: I agree.
46:38
Speaker 6: I mean, it just seems too much obvious to me.
46:41
Speaker 2: Like, everybody's going down there. The tickets are dropping. Sure
46:44
Speaker 2: seems like it. Brewer fans were on this early.
46:46
Speaker 7: It sure seems like it. Yeah, they found the workaround.
46:48
Speaker 7: It's cheaper to go there and spend the airfare than
46:50
Speaker 7: it was to attend the games in Milwaukee, which, by
46:52
Speaker 7: the way, were spectacular. The atmosphere was fantastic. We'll talk
46:56
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