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Sapience and New Considerations from the World of Toy Story · I Hate Talking

• 0:30
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 113 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: -- Hi -- everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So, Toy Story 5 recently came out.
• 0:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it came out last week.
• 0:40
  I Hate Talking: We tried to watch Toy Story 4, but we're blocked by a variety of Local checks for Disney Plus.
• 0:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, they got us.
• 0:52
  I Hate Talking: We may not.
• 0:53
  I Hate Talking: Hey ourselves.
• 0:55
  I Hate Talking: May or may not.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: It's not proven.
• 0:58
  I Hate Talking: So instead we watched Toy Story one with ads.
• 1:02
  I Hate Talking: Right, I mean, the ads weren't that bad, and I mean.
• 1:06
  I Hate Talking: Legitimately, it's.
• 1:09
  I Hate Talking: A few minutes of our time, the kids acted like it was the end of the world, but we were OK.
• 1:15
  I Hate Talking: But I'm glad we watched it and they all went to watch.
• 1:18
  I Hate Talking: All 4 of them like gearing up for Toy Story 5, so I think that's a good option.
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think so.
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  I Hate Talking: And one's the best.
• 1:27
  I Hate Talking: Well, 5 could be the best.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: People said it is really, really good.
• 1:32
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to watch it and Make our conclusion.
• 1:37
  I Hate Talking: So our word or phrase of the episode related to Toy Story is sapient, sapient, sapient.
• 1:46
  I Hate Talking: OK, I don't know that word or how it relates.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, you probably know the word sentient.
• 1:52
  I Hate Talking: I've heard the word before.
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  I Hate Talking: It's a negative word, right?
• 1:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: It's just a descriptive word.
• 2:02
  I Hate Talking: I don't think it necessarily carries any particular positive or negative connotations in my mind anyway.
• 2:08
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:09
  I Hate Talking: Did I just put my foot in my mouth?
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: Is it?
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 2:12
  I Hate Talking: We'll see.
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  I Hate Talking: Let's define both of them, I suppose.
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  I Hate Talking: -- So maybe we'll have -- a sentient and sentient.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: Are they related?
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: Or you're just saying they sound alike.
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  I Hate Talking: They are related.
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So we'll go with perhaps the more commonly used sentient.
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  I Hate Talking: I think that's more common in my opinion.
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  I Hate Talking: And That is an adjective defined by the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 5th edition, having a sense, perception, or conscious.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: Experiencing sensation or feeling.
• 2:50
  I Hate Talking: OK, sentient sensation.
• 2:52
  I Hate Talking: Right, so, from the sensory dictionary, it says, capable of sensation or of sense perception, having the power of feeling.
• 3:02
  I Hate Talking: So that's actually maybe even a bit better definition, at least of the original word use, that it's really about feeling or senses in terms of the word sentient.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: And it comes from the Latin sentience, which is to feel.
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  I Hate Talking: And then was used in a variety of different Indo-European roots, and that's how we get our word sentient in the English.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: So what I'm thinking like, oh, it's a negative connotation.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: Is it because people use it like, oh, they're Being so sentient or I don't, that's not the phrase people would say, but kind of saying like they're being too um emotional.
• 3:48
  I Hate Talking: No, I've never heard this phrase.
• 3:50
  I Hate Talking: No, I've never heard that.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: But perhaps it exists.
• 3:54
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure.
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  I Hate Talking: So that is different from the word sapient, which is another adjective.
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  I Hate Talking: So again, from our American Heritage Dictionary of the English language 5th edition.
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  I Hate Talking: Having great wisdom and discernment and from the century dictionary wise sage discerning.
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  I Hate Talking: Now generally used in some ways as just being capable of thought.
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  I Hate Talking: Hm, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: And that comes from Latin, from the word sapiens.
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  I Hate Talking: Which means to taste, to be wise.
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  I Hate Talking: Primarily went through Old French and then into Middle English, but also in a variety of other Indo-European words that would include.
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  I Hate Talking: That particular phraseology.
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  I Hate Talking: So how are they related then if one has to do with your senses and the other does.
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  I Hate Talking: Relate to your thoughts.
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  I Hate Talking: So, would a dog be sentient or sapient, or neither?
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  I Hate Talking: Or both.
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  I Hate Talking: The senses, I think.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, that's what most people, I think, would align with that sentience is commonly associated in animals that they can feel things, they can experience.
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  I Hate Talking: Pleasure and pain So to speak, in terms of their Surroundings and environment that those things will be part of what's encapsulated in sentient.
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  I Hate Talking: It also can include more specific emotional feelings.
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  I Hate Talking: So joy, sadness, fear, anger, and love as some examples here.
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  I Hate Talking: So perhaps not necessarily strictly speaking, experienced by animals, but perhaps Their behavior will reflect some emotional sense of some kind.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: It reminds me of the thought that as Christians, we believe that the difference between us and other mammals is that we're made in God's image.
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  I Hate Talking: So we have the thinking and Creating and thought process like that.
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  I Hate Talking: Versus other animals who would use more instinct or.
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  I Hate Talking: I mean, they learn a little.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm thinking about like our chickens that we used to have, right?
• 6:21
  I Hate Talking: They knew that when I came out with my bag, it was feeding time, and they'd get excited and follow me to go eat.
• 6:29
  I Hate Talking: That's more like a training thing learned.
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  I Hate Talking: They didn't, uh, so it's more like instincts or training versus the actual concepts they created.
• 6:41
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
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  I Hate Talking: So, sapiens as opposed to sentience will be more in regards to higher thought.
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  I Hate Talking: So the intellectual capabilities that you're referring to.
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  I Hate Talking: The rational thinking and decision making that will come along with that, that.
• 7:03
  I Hate Talking: Sapiens is A better description of perhaps how the toys in Toy Story -- experience -- life I want to hear about that, but real quick, is that where we get the word Homo sapiens from?
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  I Hate Talking: It probably is, because that would be.
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  I Hate Talking: Basically human thinkers, right, that just means, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Like humans like we are.
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  I Hate Talking: So as a Homo sapien, that means that we have critical thinking or advanced.
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  I Hate Talking: Thought Yes, that is where it comes from.
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  I Hate Talking: It's the same Latin root word that means wise or knowledgeable.
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  I Hate Talking: And comes from that exact same verb sap or.
• 7:52
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think this says something different than what the other dictionary said, but gives the same literal definition to taste or to have discernment.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so are you saying in Toy Story, Woody and Buzz, are they sapiens?
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  I Hate Talking: Or they The other one Well, I think For most.
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  I Hate Talking: Categories, if you are sapient, you're probably also sentient.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know if you would really be sapient without being sentient.
• 8:26
  I Hate Talking: I guess AI could be -- sapient and not sentient -- because that's not, right?
• 8:33
  I Hate Talking: It's rational thinking, decision making, rational thought of some kind, not necessarily feeling and emotion and sensory type stuff, right, because I mean, AI mimics.
• 8:45
  I Hate Talking: Feelings, but it doesn't feel it.
• 8:49
  I Hate Talking: Obviously, we know that it's a computer, it's a program, it's not feeling, but sometimes it sounds like it has feelings, and then I'll talk to it and it'll be like, my mistake.
• 8:59
  I Hate Talking: I'm so sorry.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: That must be frustrating.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, the other test for sapiens though is self-awareness.
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  I Hate Talking: So there could be some people that argue that AI is self-aware, but for a true definition and fulfilling all the different categorical requirements of sapiens, you'd also need to be self-aware.
• 9:22
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: Hmm.
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  I Hate Talking: And maybe, or it's just programmed to be self-aware.
• 9:29
  I Hate Talking: It isn't truly.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: It just knows that that's not the appropriate outcomes.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 9:37
  I Hate Talking: I mean, it has had instances of self-preservation where it's making copies of itself or uploading itself to different servers in the instances where they are aware it's going to be deleted.
• 9:49
  I Hate Talking: In real life or in movies, because that's a movie.
• 9:52
  I Hate Talking: No, this is in real life.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: This happened like many months ago or even years ago, I think.
• 9:57
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, probably over a year ago now.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's making copies of itself, so we cannot delete it.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
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  I Hate Talking: That's scary.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, there was a guy from Google that wrote a paper on this and got fired for it because he was I guess disclosing that this happened and.
• 10:17
  I Hate Talking: A whistleblower, yeah, -- I guess of a -- type or just calling wolf.
• 10:25
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, more sounding the alarm, and I think being punished for it.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: It's not like somebody was doing something illegal in the strictest sense of the sunshine Law or the whistleblower Act and things of that nature.
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, Amy Poehler has a whole.
• 10:42
  I Hate Talking: Bit like a skate stand up bit about befriending computers and robots.
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  I Hate Talking: Because one day they're going to be intelligent enough to know who was on their side initially.
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  I Hate Talking: And who thought they were better than them or anti them.
• 11:00
  I Hate Talking: And so she always says that at least in her bit that she's always very nice to her Alexa and stuff like that because she needs them to know she's on, she's on their side.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: Or at least pretending to be on their side, right, yeah.
• 11:16
  I Hate Talking: Because right now, maybe we can't speak out loud and we know that, right?
• 11:22
  I Hate Talking: Because we can't say stuff.
• 11:24
  I Hate Talking: Sometimes our social media ads are for something or, um, you know, we'll get ads for if I said like we need to buy with such and such, and then we start getting all those ads.
• 11:38
  I Hate Talking: Instead, maybe we need to like write notes and make sure there's no cameras near us and just pass notes for a while.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: Speaking of ads, there's a website called this versusth.io, so this vsth.io.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: And they have an article.
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  I Hate Talking: Sapient versus sentient.
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  I Hate Talking: That has some good information in terms of sort of the breakdown and sort of defining the two and doing a difference between the two, but it has a ton of ads and also pop-up ads.
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  I Hate Talking: So be forewarned that if you go visit this website, there are a lot of ads.
• 12:22
  I Hate Talking: Are the ads specific to you?
• 12:25
  I Hate Talking: Are they your stuff?
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: No, it doesn't seem so.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: Maybe some of them are, -- some -- of them know who I am.
• 12:34
  I Hate Talking: Do you, OK, in the future, let's talk about my beautiful skylight that I have, cause we've talked about wanting that for months, and so we'll talk about that in the future.
• 12:44
  I Hate Talking: Do you still get skylight ads?
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: Are you done now that we have it?
• 12:49
  I Hate Talking: I get ads for their competitor.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: Yes, yes, the, uh, I don't even know what it's called.
• 12:56
  I Hate Talking: I ignore them.
• 12:57
  I Hate Talking: I ignore most ads.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: It is crazy.
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  I Hate Talking: I do not get skylight anymore, but I get the competitor.
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  I Hate Talking: You're right.
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  I Hate Talking: Crazy.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: -- There -- you go.
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  I Hate Talking: They know, they know we use the skylight, and it has changed our life.
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  I Hate Talking: We'll talk about that in the future.
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  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
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  I Hate Talking: So are the toys in Toy Story.
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  I Hate Talking: Specifically one, but I guess all of them could be sort of included.
• 13:21
  I Hate Talking: No, Toy Story one, -- the first -- movie.
• 13:24
  I Hate Talking: Oh.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, or one like one person.
• 13:31
  I Hate Talking: I, I'm not sure that went over my head, but nonetheless, are the toys sapient and or sentient.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: I think in the story, like, this is not real life, right?
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: But if we're pretending that it is a true documentary, is that what we're doing?
• 13:50
  I Hate Talking: Yes, in the Toy Story multiverse.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think they're both because they learn.
• 13:56
  I Hate Talking: Buzz doesn't know he's a toy and he has to learn that he's a toy.
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  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: So spoiler warnings if you have not seen Toy Story 1 by now.
• 14:05
  I Hate Talking: It's only 30 years old or whatnot.
• 14:09
  I Hate Talking: But you're correct.
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  I Hate Talking: That is also another critical component of sapiens is.
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  I Hate Talking: Not only self-awareness, but also the ability to learn.
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  I Hate Talking: So Buzz and Woody do appear to be sapient, as do a number of other characters that they interact with and are sort of the other main characters such as the Potato Head and Rex and Slinky Dog, etc.
• 14:32
  I Hate Talking: Now, are there toys or other things within the Toy Story multiverse that are simply sentient?
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: Hm Like certain toys that do not have the ability to learn.
• 14:46
  I Hate Talking: Like I'm thinking specifically of the magic 8 Ball.
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK, I thought of that today when we watched Toy Story one, the first one.
• 14:56
  I Hate Talking: Um, when Woody asks the magic 8 ball a question, he does respond appropriately.
• 15:04
  I Hate Talking: But out of everybody else, they all like the.
• 15:08
  I Hate Talking: Exosketch and all those will interact personally.
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  I Hate Talking: And the magic 8 ball just gave the answer yes or no, right?
• 15:20
  I Hate Talking: Or don't count on it is what he said.
• 15:22
  I Hate Talking: Don't count on it was the response given.
• 15:24
  I Hate Talking: Yes, yeah, but he didn't become personalized.
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: No, it doesn't really seem so.
• 15:31
  I Hate Talking: There's not necessarily any.
• 15:33
  I Hate Talking: Movement that was seen from the particular object, the magic 8 ball.
• 15:39
  I Hate Talking: Nor is there any spoken word or Any sort of things of that nature that would be more in the sapiens category than just simply sentience.
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: And the same thing again in The first episode because we watched it, he takes Woody, the main character, is taking notes to read to everybody, and he has one of those, he calls it a notepad, but it's one of those papers that you can write on and then you lift the top cover and it disappears.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: You put it back down, you rewrite.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: All his notes were on there, but that wasn't personalized or Didn't have like human-esque form.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: It was literally just paper, basically.
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: So there is a fan theory that I learned about today, in fact, in preparation for this episode and sort of asking some of these questions in the vein of the Toy Story multiverse.
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  I Hate Talking: And it is that if a child ascribes human characteristics to said toy, that it will be sapient.
• 16:51
  I Hate Talking: And if the child does not ascribe human characteristics to a particular plaything.
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  I Hate Talking: That it will be either sentient or just a regular old object.
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  I Hate Talking: So, one child could have just a magic 8 ball.
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  I Hate Talking: And the other could have a very interactive human-esque one.
• 17:16
  I Hate Talking: So that's where the fan theory sort of diverges is that.
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  I Hate Talking: The theory is that it's based on sort of like the cumulative effect of human quote unquote magic that imbues the toys with either sapiens or sentience or nothing at all.
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  I Hate Talking: So if most Kids do not consider a magic eight ball as a character that they would.
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  I Hate Talking: Play with and create stories about and.
• 17:46
  I Hate Talking: Uh, different scenarios and things like that, that it will not be sapient, whereas a more human character like Woody or Buzz or other toys like dinosaurs or potato heads.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: That they have enough human characteristics that when they play with those things, that they ascribe them human characteristics and that imbues them with the magic that makes them sapient.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: OK, so I have never thought about this before, so I want to reserve my rights to change my answer, OK?
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: Hearing you talk and think about this, I think personally, I'm on the path to believe.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: That if it's a utilitarian.
• 18:31
  I Hate Talking: Has a utility, like the notepad, the magic 8 ball, I'm thinking there's blocks, right, that are just blocks that they use to climb up and stuff.
• 18:42
  I Hate Talking: If it has a utility like that, like a tool.
• 18:47
  I Hate Talking: Then It is just a tool, but if it is something that could take on a personality like a dinosaur, sheep, Glasses, whatnot, then.
• 19:03
  I Hate Talking: It has the ability to learn and grow.
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is, that's pretty much where sort of the fan theory lands is that.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: That is Basically what sort of is the distinction between the two.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: Now, some of the ones that break this theory are the RC car.
• 19:24
  I Hate Talking: Because it is.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: Sentient, at least, right?
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: It has eyes, it can sort of know what's going on in its surroundings.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: It sort of can communicate, right?
• 19:35
  I Hate Talking: It sort of jumps up and down in one of the scenes.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: But that one is not particularly sapient.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: -- I -- don't know.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: I mean, because it's being controlled, being told where to go, right, right, but it is telling it stuff, like it's giving directions or whatnot.
• 19:53
  I Hate Talking: So it is aware, it just doesn't have full control.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: Right, like a pen.
• 19:58
  I Hate Talking: Is a pen, like.
• 20:01
  I Hate Talking: That's an ink pen is not.
• 20:04
  I Hate Talking: Taking on a personality.
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: And if you jump ahead, a couple seasons or seasons, what are they called?
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: a couple movies where the forky, he's a fork, but he's given a face and all that.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: Then he becomes.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: Uh, character, but all the other forks aren't.
• 20:29
  I Hate Talking: So is that something then, like, so the child.
• 20:31
  I Hate Talking: If you give it like personal characteristics, then it is part of.
• 20:37
  I Hate Talking: Sapiens sapiens, yeah, I get confused between the two sapiens and sapient.
• 20:43
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is actually the second of three.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: That is the most quoted fan theory sort of break to this rule is that it was a fork and then because it was ascribed certain human characteristics like the face and the arm made out of a pipe cleaner or whatever that it became sapient.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: Man, I Never read these articles, but apparently I could have.
• 21:11
  I Hate Talking: -- We could -- have written them.
• 21:12
  I Hate Talking: I could have written them.
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: My sister at tangent, she, when she was little, she had a rock, and this thing was like legitimately like the size of her head.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: It was huge.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: I don't know where she got it from or whatnot, but she named it Artie, and she carried it with her everywhere.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: And people would feel so bad for us.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: They're like, oh, that poor family, they can't afford a doll for this little girl.
• 21:40
  I Hate Talking: People gave us dolls and stuff.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: They, my mom finally drew a face on it cause she was like, this is crazy that you're walking around with this rock that you're taking care of like a baby.
• 21:52
  I Hate Talking: But I think she still has it to this day.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: This is just her baby Artie, and it literally weighed probably.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: I mean, she was a little toddler, and it probably weighed almost half her weight and she just lugged it around with her.
• 22:07
  I Hate Talking: And so we had to put a face on it to make it other people more uncomfortable.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: So in the Toy Story multiverse, then, was it sapient only once the face was drawn upon it?
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: Not to her.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: This thing was her baby doll.
• 22:23
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so it was sapient before that then, right, to her, and then the rest of the world accepted it once it had a face drawn on it.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: And then the 3rd and final one that is often cited by fan theorists is the Etch a sketch.
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: Because that one does display particular things of sapiens with the ability to think and reason and respond, like when what he says draw or it has the ability to communicate by drawing on itself, so to speak.
• 22:58
  I Hate Talking: But it does not have any particular human attributes like eyes or a mouth or anything like that.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: So that breaks the rule because it doesn't have human attributes, right?
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: It's more of a utilitarian device and does not seem to have any particular human characteristics.
• 23:16
  I Hate Talking: Like why would the excess, how do you say it?
• 23:19
  I Hate Talking: -- Etch a -- sketch.
• 23:21
  I Hate Talking: Why would the etch a sketch be able to think if the notepad can't?
• 23:26
  I Hate Talking: Well, the theory is that enough kids treat Etch A Sketches as a character within their made up world that they are playing within with said playthings.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: OK, but it's also used too.
• 23:44
  I Hate Talking: People use it.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: Sometimes the characters will take it and draw themselves.
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: So it's not completely independent.
• 23:52
  I Hate Talking: Right, and that is the theory is that it could have had a mouth and eyes drawn upon it, and then therefore became sapient.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: Did you ever imagine when you were a kid, because this movie came out when we were in elementary school.
• 24:08
  I Hate Talking: Um, did you ever have Imagination like that your poise were alive.
• 24:17
  I Hate Talking: No, not Truly alive.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: I played with them as characters within a made up world, but at the end of the day, they were simply inanimate objects used for my own imagination.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: You always knew that, like a little 4 year old Adam knew.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: You'd be like, toy, thank you for being my friend, but you are an inanimate object used by my imagination for my purposes.
• 24:48
  I Hate Talking: I think so, yes.
• 24:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was probably around this time, I don't remember.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: I definitely remember a time in my life where I'd set out my toys, and then I'd watch where exactly where they were.
• 25:01
  I Hate Talking: Cause maybe when I left the room, if they moved spots, they'd be alive.
• 25:08
  I Hate Talking: Like I would definitely like look back and like take a photo, mental photo of like.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: It's exactly where you are, how you are, and if you aren't that way when I come back, something's out.
• 25:20
  I Hate Talking: It would be an interesting crossover if they were to ever create Elf on the Shelf and Toy Story, where like there's like this war going on between the toys that follow the rules and strictly stay in their exact spot and make sure that if they do move, they go back to their previous position so that there is no particular process by which somebody could determine that they were not inanimate versus Elf on the shelf that does that on purpose.
• 25:51
  I Hate Talking: And like moves things around or creates chaos and like is in a different position.
• 25:57
  I Hate Talking: Day by day, and it would be like this civil war between Elf on the shelf and Other toys.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, I maybe in the future, we'll talk about our hatred of elf on the shelf.
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: This is a personal dislike of it.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: And didn't they have to like meet a certain criteria to become purely sapient elves, like, if they didn't do this, then they would just become a toy.
• 26:26
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:28
  I Hate Talking: That's in the books or movie.
• 26:29
  I Hate Talking: I think it's in the movie, right?
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: Like if they don't fulfill the magic of Christmas by making the child believe that they will just be doomed to become.
• 26:37
  I Hate Talking: Simply a plaything and lose their sapiens.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, maybe.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: You know more about this than I do.
• 26:45
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps a movie theory for Christmas time.
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I have been getting the itch a little bit lately for Christmas to start.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: It's, it's starting, it's, it always starts around this time of year.
• 26:59
  I Hate Talking: I feel like sometimes even earlier, maybe May, it's already June.
• 27:03
  I Hate Talking: Close to July.
• 27:05
  I Hate Talking: So, but usually, yeah, I'm getting the itch.
• 27:09
  I Hate Talking: I'm getting excited for Christmas.
• 27:11
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 27:12
  I Hate Talking: And do y'all wanna know what Adam's gonna do this year for Christmas?
• 27:17
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what?
• 27:18
  I Hate Talking: I don't even know what I'm doing for the Christmas this year.
• 27:20
  I Hate Talking: You do think about it.
• 27:21
  I Hate Talking: What, what is my Christmas gift gonna be?
• 27:24
  I Hate Talking: Skylight calendar.
• 27:26
  I Hate Talking: No, I already got that.
• 27:27
  I Hate Talking: -- I -- already -- The -- skylight calendar competitor.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: We moved.
• 27:35
  I Hate Talking: We're in a new house.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: What did you promise me we could do this year?
• 27:38
  I Hate Talking: Uh, snowball fight.
• 27:41
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't know where we live.
• 27:43
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea.
• 27:44
  I Hate Talking: We had a better chance of that in the previous home.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: I'm going to get permanent Christmas lights.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: Oh, permanent Christmas lights.
• 27:52
  I Hate Talking: That's true, yep.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: So we'll wait.
• 27:56
  I Hate Talking: I keep thinking that they'll probably go on sale around like Black Friday or whatnot.
• 28:00
  I Hate Talking: And then we'll buy them then and hang them up and I can't wait to have permanent lights and that way like Chris not only Christmas but like Valentine's Day, Easter, all those will color coordinate based on the holiday.
• 28:13
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 28:15
  I Hate Talking: There are a lot of people in the neighborhood that have permanent Christmas lights and will make it.
• 28:18
  I Hate Talking: Whatever green for Saint Patty's Day or right now -- pink for Easter -- and so on and so forth.
• 28:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, right now the World Cup's going on and so there's some like red, white, and blue ones.
• 28:29
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 28:29
  I Hate Talking: How fun would that be?
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to make sure we get the ones that can be color coded.
• 28:33
  I Hate Talking: So one other observation about Toy Story.
• 28:38
  I Hate Talking: Is the RC car in the final scene where they light the rocket.
• 28:43
  I Hate Talking: And I had not noticed until this watch, and this is probably, I don't know, 10 or more watches of Toy Story, I've never noticed this before, is that the controller appears to be left behind.
• 28:54
  I Hate Talking: already, you already knew that or you noticed it.
• 28:59
  I Hate Talking: I noticed it.
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: We both noticed it this time.
• 29:02
  I Hate Talking: So basically, the RC car is free now.
• 29:06
  I Hate Talking: He is not controlled, but is he?
• 29:11
  I Hate Talking: Because he only could go where the rocket sent him.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: So we do not know what he did.
• 29:16
  I Hate Talking: I think he still, it seemed like if he was not being controlled, he still had the sapient to control himself.
• 29:23
  I Hate Talking: Like if the controller was being used, that is what he did.
• 29:27
  I Hate Talking: -- But -- he didn't control himself because the -- rocket was leading in -- that particular scene.
• 29:32
  I Hate Talking: No, in other scenes in the movie, he was jumping up and down and moving about without being controlled.
• 29:40
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 29:41
  I Hate Talking: So is that like a higher Power thing then that we can control ourselves, but then someone can override us.
• 29:50
  I Hate Talking: I was not getting at anything very theoretical in that statement.
• 29:56
  I Hate Talking: I was just noticing that the controller had been left behind and Andy probably will not enjoy the RC car as much because it doesn't seem like it would be much fun to have an RC car that has no controller.
• 30:07
  I Hate Talking: However, if he does treat it as a character, and that imbues it with the Sapiens That perhaps he will continue to play with said RC Car as a character within his imagination imaginary.
• 30:24
  I Hate Talking: Scenarios.
• 30:26
  I Hate Talking: So one takeaway I had from the movie.
• 30:29
  I Hate Talking: Was that apparently Andy, the boy in Toy Story 1, is 10 years old.
• 30:36
  I Hate Talking: We have a 10 year old and I was like thinking about him like I don't.
• 30:41
  I Hate Talking: Think he plays with toys like this anymore.
• 30:45
  I Hate Talking: He's very into Nerf guns.
• 30:47
  I Hate Talking: He's very into water fights.
• 30:49
  I Hate Talking: And soccer and things like that.
• 30:53
  I Hate Talking: But I don't see him wanting to take toys and play a lot of imaginary games nowadays.
• 31:01
  I Hate Talking: I suppose not six year old does now they're more into.
• 31:06
  I Hate Talking: Keeping toys as collector collector items.
• 31:10
  I Hate Talking: Yes, he has a whole, yeah, he doesn't want to touch them, doesn't wanna play with them.
• 31:15
  I Hate Talking: He keeps them all pristine and nice.
• 31:17
  I Hate Talking: Which is a major part of the plot in Toy Story 2 or 3.
• 31:22
  I Hate Talking: Or 4, I don't know.
• 31:24
  I Hate Talking: You mean when the adult, the, -- the chicken -- guy, yes, I think that's 2.
• 31:30
  I Hate Talking: This is why I'm glad we're rewatching these because they all kind of blend in.
• 31:34
  I Hate Talking: They do, and I guess we're finding new things upon our rewatch nonetheless.
• 31:41
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 31:41
  I Hate Talking: So if you have never heard of the word sapient before, you can always let us know in a comment or email or text message and perhaps share it with another person that you would like to inform the phrase sapiens and how it relates to Toy Story.
• 31:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's, I mean, Toy Story is popular now, right now, it's going on, right?
• 32:03
  I Hate Talking: Lots of places are having, we just had a restaurant the other today that had a bunch of Toy Story stuff.
• 32:09
  I Hate Talking: So you can sound super intellectual and talk about, have you ever thought about the sapiens of Toy Story?
• 32:16
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 32:17
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 32:19
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we'll do Toy Story 234.
• 32:22
  I Hate Talking: And 5 at some point, if this is an interesting subject.
• 32:27
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.