Latest / Heartwise / HW 2026-08-27 The Eyes Have It - Todd Lang
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- 0:11Speaker 1: This is Heartwise, offering practical tips and time proven guidelines
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- 0:36Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone for joining us today on Heartwise.
- 0:40Speaker 2: And I was in a board meeting recently and they
- 0:43Speaker 2: had a vote, and at the end of the vote,
- 0:44Speaker 2: everyone said, the eyes have it. And I didn't think
- 0:48Speaker 2: of the word of eyes as yes. I thought of
- 0:50Speaker 2: the eyes that we have in our brain, in our heads,
- 0:53Speaker 2: and I thought that, you know, that's very important that
- 0:55Speaker 2: we talk about our eyes and our vision, because what
- 0:59Speaker 2: a valuable component of health. Not only do our i
- 1:02Speaker 2: see and move us around, but our eyes help us
- 1:04Speaker 2: to read and understand things and see the beauty of
- 1:07Speaker 2: the earth. Our eyes and our vision have a lot
- 1:10Speaker 2: to do with our health. So I was happening to
- 1:14Speaker 2: be doing a conference not too long ago, and I
- 1:17Speaker 2: ran into a sort of a previous acquaintance, doctor Todd Lang,
- 1:23Speaker 2: who's a noted eye doctor that is in the West
- 1:26Speaker 2: Coast of Florida, And I said, doctor Lang, would you
- 1:28Speaker 2: be willing to come on Heartwise and answer a few
- 1:32Speaker 2: questions that come in to our radio program from our
- 1:35Speaker 2: website that's Heartwismanistries dot org or our Facebook page. And
- 1:39Speaker 2: doctor Lang agreed to do that. So Todd, we want
- 1:43Speaker 2: to thank you for joining us today on Heartwise.
- 1:45Speaker 3: Hey, it's a privilege to be a part of your program.
- 1:48Speaker 2: And you actually we're seeing patients this morning, right, absolutely,
- 1:51Speaker 2: And I bet you saw a lot of people with
- 1:53Speaker 2: all sorts of eye problems every day. And doctor Lang,
- 1:57Speaker 2: how long have you been practicing optometry and dealing with
- 2:00Speaker 2: people's eyes.
- 2:03Speaker 3: It's been twenty five years.
- 2:04Speaker 2: And you do have to go to school for this,
- 2:06Speaker 2: right Oh yeah? Okay, but but if you're like me,
- 2:09Speaker 2: I found out I learned more after I got out
- 2:11Speaker 2: of school than I did in school. Is that the
- 2:13Speaker 2: same for you?
- 2:14Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely, And it's a fascinating profession to be in
- 2:19Speaker 3: and every day is fun.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we're going to jump into these questions that
- 2:24Speaker 2: have come into our website because if one person has
- 2:27Speaker 2: a question, probably five people have a question. And the
- 2:30Speaker 2: first question says, unfortunately, I've never had my eyes evaluated
- 2:34Speaker 2: I live far far away from a city. I think
- 2:36Speaker 2: I see well, and this person wants to know it.
- 2:39Speaker 2: What age would you recommend an eye exam So let's
- 2:42Speaker 2: talk about that, doctor Lang.
- 2:45Speaker 3: Well, you know, the reality is we should have our
- 2:50Speaker 3: eyes examined for the first time by an eye doctor
- 2:53Speaker 3: by one year of age.
- 2:54Speaker 2: One year of age, okay.
- 2:57Speaker 3: And the reason for that is because just because someone
- 3:01Speaker 3: has good vision at one year old, we often don't
- 3:05Speaker 3: know exactly what level of vision our child has. And
- 3:09Speaker 3: in fact, when we're first born, our natural focus is
- 3:13Speaker 3: about nine or ten inches because that's our world, okay,
- 3:16Speaker 3: But that gradually develops over time. And you know what's interesting,
- 3:21Speaker 3: As children, they don't really know what normal is or
- 3:26Speaker 3: what it should be. And it's it's pretty amazing how
- 3:31Speaker 3: often I have parents bring their child, finally bring their
- 3:34Speaker 3: child in at seven or eight years of age, and
- 3:38Speaker 3: it turns out that their vision is twenty two hundred.
- 3:42Speaker 2: Wow.
- 3:43Speaker 3: What that means is a normal person who has perfect
- 3:47Speaker 3: vision might see an eight point seven to three millimeter
- 3:51Speaker 3: letter from twenty feet. Well, someone who has to have
- 3:57Speaker 3: happens to have twenty two hundred vision, that letter has
- 4:01Speaker 3: to be ten times the size In order for them
- 4:04Speaker 3: to see it.
- 4:05Speaker 2: Wow.
- 4:06Speaker 3: And so you know, the the long and the short
- 4:08Speaker 3: of it is you can have disease and not know it,
- 4:13Speaker 3: and and what might be normal for you, or what
- 4:16Speaker 3: you think is normal, is not necessarily normal for everyone else.
- 4:21Speaker 2: Okay, Now, let's say, how would you test someone you know?
- 4:23Speaker 2: Usually you go and you have to look at letters
- 4:25Speaker 2: and things, and a one year old can't even talk.
- 4:27Speaker 2: How would you how would you tell it they're seeing?
- 4:30Speaker 3: Well, well, you know, we have particular instruments that can
- 4:34Speaker 3: create movement of the eyes that they that they will
- 4:39Speaker 3: look at. Okay. Secondly, we can do objective testing where
- 4:44Speaker 3: we can evaluate what their prescription is without them having
- 4:48Speaker 3: to tell us anything. And knowing what that prescription is
- 4:52Speaker 3: will tell us okay, we've got a problem.
- 4:53Speaker 1: We need to do with it.
- 4:54Speaker 3: Now or not. And and so that is that's what
- 5:01Speaker 3: needs to be done. You know. The sad part is
- 5:03Speaker 3: that you know, many people say, well, you know, my
- 5:06Speaker 3: pediatrician screens you know my child, and and the fact
- 5:11Speaker 3: is that unfortunately, there are serious functional problems that the
- 5:18Speaker 3: that they mess children end up with permanent, permanently blind
- 5:23Speaker 3: and sometimes unfortunately, and that's such a good point because
- 5:28Speaker 3: without our eyes are learning and our brain can't develop correctly. Yeah,
- 5:33Speaker 3: and that's another interesting point. Children can have twenty twenty vision.
- 5:37Speaker 3: I'll never forget a case I had about six or
- 5:39Speaker 3: seven years ago. I went and did a screening at
- 5:42Speaker 3: a local school, and this child had twenty twenty vision,
- 5:46Speaker 3: but essentially they had were very very far sighted. And
- 5:55Speaker 3: he had twenty twenty vision, but he was never going
- 5:57Speaker 3: to be successful in school because he had this insane
- 6:01Speaker 3: demand on his visual system just to see in the distance.
- 6:05Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 6:05Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so he didn't have what he needed to
- 6:08Speaker 3: function well up close.
- 6:09Speaker 2: Okay, So I hope sure.
- 6:11Speaker 3: With glasses fixed that and he's doing very very well.
- 6:14Speaker 2: Well. I hope everyone puts that in mind. You know,
- 6:16Speaker 2: this person, we should check it when we're one that
- 6:18Speaker 2: assume every everything's fine in the eyes at age one?
- 6:21Speaker 2: What would you tell a parent after that? When should
- 6:24Speaker 2: they get their next die exam?
- 6:25Speaker 3: I would look at the family's history. You know, if
- 6:29Speaker 3: if they tend to have a genetic predisposition for glasses,
- 6:33Speaker 3: we might see him annually. If if there isn't, then
- 6:37Speaker 3: maybe we'll see him in three or four years.
- 6:39Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, everyone, Yeah, everyone assumes that you know, let's
- 6:43Speaker 2: this person looks like they're in their twenties or thirties
- 6:45Speaker 2: is asking this question, So I guess even if they see, well,
- 6:48Speaker 2: what's the advantage of going in, you know, to see
- 6:50Speaker 2: what kind of things do you look for in an
- 6:52Speaker 2: exam besides just the vision.
- 6:55Speaker 3: We're going to look for glaucoma.
- 6:58Speaker 2: Okay, now, what is that?
- 7:00Speaker 3: Glaucoma is damage to the nerve in the back of
- 7:04Speaker 3: the eye. It's uncommon in a twenty year old, but
- 7:08Speaker 3: not impossible. You can be born with glaucoma. But it's
- 7:13Speaker 3: a combination of factors that is usually associated with high pressure.
- 7:20Speaker 3: But the reality is that thirty percent of people who
- 7:23Speaker 3: come in for an eye exam will have a normal pressure.
- 7:26Speaker 3: We have to look at other factors again, the anatomical
- 7:31Speaker 3: structure of the nerve, aily history, whether they've had an injury,
- 7:36Speaker 3: a whole host of factors, and so people can have
- 7:40Speaker 3: a tumor in the eye and not know it. People
- 7:41Speaker 3: can have a retinal detachment, they can have bleeding, and
- 7:44Speaker 3: all of those factors that we're looking at when we're
- 7:47Speaker 3: examining a patient's eyes is to find those things that
- 7:52Speaker 3: they may or may not be aware of they can
- 7:54Speaker 3: have twenty twenty visions and have full blown glaucoma. They
- 7:58Speaker 3: can have twenty twenty visions still have a retinal detachment. Wow.
- 8:02Speaker 3: And you know, usually we have symptoms with a retinal detachment,
- 8:05Speaker 3: but I've had a couple of cases where there was
- 8:08Speaker 3: mental minimal to any symptoms that that needed surgery.
- 8:14Speaker 2: Well, so, so there's a lot of things that you
- 8:15Speaker 2: look at just besides the.
- 8:17Speaker 3: Vision correct and you know, all of these things can
- 8:21Speaker 3: either be life threatening or certainly vision threatening at the
- 8:26Speaker 3: very least. And uh, you know, we pick up diabetes
- 8:31Speaker 3: during eye exams where people didn't know they had it,
- 8:35Speaker 3: high pertension, high blood pressure as well. And so you know,
- 8:41Speaker 3: for someone who's twenty, we often feel immortal almost, you know,
- 8:46Speaker 3: we have that that vigor about life and and but
- 8:50Speaker 3: the fact is that that we if we've never had
- 8:54Speaker 3: our eyes examined, we can have vision that's barely legal
- 8:58Speaker 3: to drive, but but puts us at a disadvantage for
- 9:03Speaker 3: being as safe as we could be.
- 9:05Speaker 2: Yeah, you're with me on that, Yeah, I am, I'm
- 9:07Speaker 2: with you on that. You know, and when people think
- 9:09Speaker 2: about health in general, you think, you know, what, what
- 9:12Speaker 2: are more important things in our eyes to prevent from
- 9:15Speaker 2: having a problem, because if the eyes are poor, you know,
- 9:17Speaker 2: everything else is going to go downhill pretty quick.
- 9:20Speaker 3: We can't function. You know, when I talk to patients,
- 9:24Speaker 3: it's often they often tell me, this is the last
- 9:27Speaker 3: sense that I want to lose. Yeah, yeah, you know
- 9:30Speaker 3: what's ironic, it's the one that people take for granted
- 9:34Speaker 3: the most.
- 9:35Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what we want to you know, really
- 9:37Speaker 2: promote today. You know, if you haven't got your eyes
- 9:39Speaker 2: checked or thought about it, get in there and get
- 9:41Speaker 2: them checked. The technology is really great today's and you know,
- 9:45Speaker 2: and you know, I had my eyes chick not too
- 9:46Speaker 2: long ago, and it didn't bother me too much at all.
- 9:49Speaker 3: No, it's really uh one of the the uh relatively
- 9:57Speaker 3: straightforward processes that we can do that uh low inconvenience
- 10:03Speaker 3: and it's not you know if it's hard to put
- 10:05Speaker 3: a price tag on our site, but you know it's
- 10:09Speaker 3: it's pretty affordable.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well we're going to go to break listener,
- 10:14Speaker 2: We're going to be back. We're talking with doctor Todd Lang.
- 10:17Speaker 2: He practices in Florida. He's answering question about our eyes.
- 10:21Speaker 2: We're talking about someone that wants improved their vision after
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- 12:50Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm doctor James Markham with our special guest,
- 12:54Speaker 2: doctor Todd Lang, and he's teaching us about eyes and
- 12:57Speaker 2: the importance of it to our overall health. And if
- 12:59Speaker 2: you think about it, if your eyes aren't happy and
- 13:02Speaker 2: you can't see, your brain is affected. If your brain's affected,
- 13:05Speaker 2: your you know, your stress levels are affected. So the
- 13:08Speaker 2: eyes are very important. The last segment we talked about
- 13:11Speaker 2: the importance of getting an eye exam, and if you
- 13:14Speaker 2: haven't had one and you're over the age one, you
- 13:17Speaker 2: need one and you probably need to see someone that's
- 13:19Speaker 2: really trained in doing this. And eye doctors have special
- 13:22Speaker 2: training in all this to look at some of this
- 13:24Speaker 2: stuff and a great place to get the screening test
- 13:27Speaker 2: is usually with an optometrist and then if they find
- 13:30Speaker 2: any major issues, they can let you know early. So
- 13:33Speaker 2: screening is very important, Doctor Lang. Our next question comes
- 13:37Speaker 2: to us from the Australia. Actually, and this question says,
- 13:42Speaker 2: everyone in my families wears eyeglasses or contacts. Is there
- 13:47Speaker 2: anything I can do to improve my vision? So let's
- 13:50Speaker 2: talk about things that people can do to help their visions,
- 13:53Speaker 2: and we'll also talk about things that might hurt people's vision. Okay,
- 13:59Speaker 2: so what if thing that can do to improve an eyes?
- 14:01Speaker 2: So let's say let's say my eyes are bad what
- 14:04Speaker 2: can or not? So, well, is there anything if I
- 14:06Speaker 2: have genetic problems that I can do to improve my eyesight?
- 14:08Speaker 2: You know, you hear about these vitamins and all sorts
- 14:10Speaker 2: of things. Well, what do you think about these things?
- 14:13Speaker 3: Well, you know, as far as controlling near sightedness with vitamins,
- 14:20Speaker 3: and that's that's out of the question.
- 14:22Speaker 2: Okay.
- 14:24Speaker 3: You know, we we use vitamin therapy and and omega
- 14:28Speaker 3: three therapies for for dry eyes okay, uh, and have
- 14:33Speaker 3: some very effective for certain patients. But as far as
- 14:39Speaker 3: the functionality of the eyes, you know, the most of
- 14:45Speaker 3: that is genetic. And you know there are sometimes when
- 14:50Speaker 3: when people can end up being the only one in
- 14:52Speaker 3: their family that have have the need for glasses, and
- 14:56Speaker 3: and that just uh is kind of a natural result
- 15:00Speaker 3: believe of the genetic tree or the family tree of
- 15:04Speaker 3: genetic distribution. But there are certain things that we do
- 15:10Speaker 3: that we know are important for a vision hygiene, if
- 15:15Speaker 3: you will, And that is there's a certainly some stress
- 15:22Speaker 3: on the focusing system when we work on computers, when
- 15:26Speaker 3: we read, and so taking a break for a few
- 15:30Speaker 3: minutes hourly will reduce the potential for eyestrain and fluctuating vision.
- 15:38Speaker 3: That ultimately come when we overdo those kinds of activities. Now,
- 15:45Speaker 3: some people also have challenges with the way the two
- 15:51Speaker 3: eyes work together. We call that stereo vision, if you will,
- 15:55Speaker 3: or binocular vision. And there are mechanisms that the eyes
- 16:01Speaker 3: use in order to to to point the eyes at
- 16:05Speaker 3: the same place that plane that the eyes are focusing
- 16:11Speaker 3: from a from a focusing standpoint, there there are two
- 16:17Speaker 3: conditions that are linked. And if the eye is is
- 16:20Speaker 3: not pointing at the same place that the that the
- 16:23Speaker 3: focusing part of it is, you know, let's uh, I'm
- 16:28Speaker 3: trying to think of an analogy. Everyone has used a
- 16:33Speaker 3: a magnifying burn, a hole and a piece of paper
- 16:39Speaker 3: or a leaf or something like that. Certainly a lot
- 16:42Speaker 3: of people have I think can relate to this. But
- 16:45Speaker 3: when light passes through that lens, the focal point of
- 16:48Speaker 3: that lens is where the very smallest pinpoint is on
- 16:52Speaker 3: that piece of paper. Say it's ten inches away. Okay,
- 16:56Speaker 3: that's the focusing plane. But now if that's where you're
- 17:01Speaker 3: what the lenses of your eyes are focusing at. Now
- 17:04Speaker 3: the eyes have to be pointing in that same place
- 17:06Speaker 3: in order for everything to work right. And so if
- 17:12Speaker 3: those aren't working right, then eyestrained people happens, and people
- 17:17Speaker 3: will skip lines when they're reading. Then they have to
- 17:20Speaker 3: go back and reread those lines, and comprehension starts to
- 17:24Speaker 3: suffer and retention. And so there are things that we
- 17:30Speaker 3: can do, uh, sort of like physical therapy for the
- 17:34Speaker 3: eye in certain cases, certain conditions are very amenable to
- 17:41Speaker 3: that type of therapy, and then there are others that
- 17:43Speaker 3: really are much more challenging. And so that's one example
- 17:51Speaker 3: where each eye can have twenty twenty vision, but they
- 17:54Speaker 3: can still have a pretty significant vision problem.
- 17:56Speaker 2: Okay, so other ways to improve our eyes. How about carrots?
- 18:00Speaker 2: You always hear about carrots. Will carrots help my vision?
- 18:03Speaker 3: Well, you know, we were at the same conference here
- 18:06Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, and as we were, just you
- 18:10Speaker 3: shared with the audience earlier. And the fact is that
- 18:16Speaker 3: I have learned just in the last two to three
- 18:19Speaker 3: years as I've studied the eyes and lifestyle management and
- 18:25Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And the truth is that we
- 18:28Speaker 3: now know that macular degeneration, which most everybody has heard of,
- 18:33Speaker 3: damage to the photoreceptors in the central part of our
- 18:36Speaker 3: retina where life focuses, is related to heart disease. We
- 18:42Speaker 3: now know that heart disease is very amenable to diet changes,
- 18:47Speaker 3: and so carrots are definitely beneficial. Screens are especially helpful
- 18:54Speaker 3: having a plant based diet. We are going to find
- 18:58Speaker 3: in the next five to ten years that we're going
- 19:02Speaker 3: to manage eye disease. I believe with plant based diet.
- 19:08Speaker 2: Program that's incredible. Well, let me ask you, should ice
- 19:11Speaker 2: have sunscreen? What do you think about the eyes?
- 19:14Speaker 3: You know, you hear about you know sunglasses. Sunglasses are
- 19:19Speaker 3: are still very important. We know that cataracts and macular
- 19:22Speaker 3: degeneration are are closely linked to the amount of UV
- 19:29Speaker 3: absorption that occurs and free radical damage that occurs in
- 19:35Speaker 3: those structures, and so protecting them from the sun is
- 19:38Speaker 3: still beneficial. There is a wide variability and quality of sunglasses,
- 19:45Speaker 3: not necessarily in the level of protection. The majority of
- 19:52Speaker 3: people just by the fact of having tinted sunglasses will
- 19:55Speaker 3: be helpful. But the products that you buy that you
- 19:58Speaker 3: can get very inexpensively, really have poor vision and can
- 20:04Speaker 3: actually create ice train and so yes, we still want
- 20:10Speaker 3: to protect our eyes from the sun. Just a large
- 20:13Speaker 3: rimmed hat. It is huge if someone's going to be
- 20:18Speaker 3: out for an extent period of time.
- 20:19Speaker 2: Okay, Now we have a bunch of questions of coming
- 20:22Speaker 2: about things that might damage the eyes. How about people
- 20:26Speaker 2: that wear contacts? Does that actually contact lenses? I know
- 20:29Speaker 2: they've improved. Do they damage the eyes?
- 20:33Speaker 3: Well, you know that's kind of a we've got to
- 20:38Speaker 3: balance that.
- 20:39Speaker 2: Ques.
- 20:40Speaker 3: The answer to the question is that, yes, contact lenses
- 20:44Speaker 3: can damage the eyes if they are used in a
- 20:49Speaker 3: non compliant fashion by your doctor, and if they're not
- 20:55Speaker 3: cleaned properly, if they are not disposed of as recommended,
- 21:01Speaker 3: you can get cornial ulcers that can blind you in
- 21:04Speaker 3: twenty four to forty eight hours, well if not treated
- 21:09Speaker 3: in a timely fashion and treated properly. So prevention is
- 21:12Speaker 3: the name of the game. And when we do that,
- 21:15Speaker 3: the serious problems are quite rare.
- 21:18Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, now you know, doctor Lang, we hear so
- 21:21Speaker 2: much and there's so many advertisements on about lasik and
- 21:24Speaker 2: all these fancy procedures that are done to the eyes,
- 21:28Speaker 2: you know, years ago as radio caritonomy. What's your take
- 21:32Speaker 2: on all this is, are those any more healthy for
- 21:34Speaker 2: the eyes and just good old glasses or is there
- 21:37Speaker 2: some risk to all this?
- 21:39Speaker 3: Well, lasik is considered a cosmetic procedure. It absolutely does
- 21:46Speaker 3: scar the cornea. Okay, if a person has dry eyes
- 21:51Speaker 3: or even mildly dry eyes prior to LASIK, there's a
- 21:57Speaker 3: moderately high risk that that problem is going to be
- 22:01Speaker 3: worse following surgery for at least a year. And we
- 22:05Speaker 3: have to remember that we're changing the shape of the cornea.
- 22:08Speaker 3: We're changing the natural shape of the cornea. The majority
- 22:11Speaker 3: of LASIK that's done is for near sighted people, and
- 22:14Speaker 3: in that case, the apex of the cornea that the
- 22:20Speaker 3: very front of it is flattened right, so that when
- 22:23Speaker 3: the eyelids are or are going up and down over
- 22:27Speaker 3: the surface of the cornea, it's not spreading the tears
- 22:29Speaker 3: in the same way. So and I that was already
- 22:33Speaker 3: somewhat susceptible to tear quality problems, et cetera, they're they're
- 22:42Speaker 3: going to have some additional problems at least for a time.
- 22:46Speaker 3: We'll have to use artificial tears several times a day.
- 22:51Speaker 2: You know, And I think that's so important, doctor Line,
- 22:53Speaker 2: because a lot of people just don't get complete information
- 22:56Speaker 2: before they rush into these things. You know, now we
- 22:59Speaker 2: only have about thirty forty seconds left. What do you
- 23:01Speaker 2: want to leave our audience with today. As far as
- 23:03Speaker 2: eyes go, you have anything burning in your heart you
- 23:05Speaker 2: want to leave everyone with today, Well.
- 23:08Speaker 3: I think the key is prevention, and our eyes are
- 23:14Speaker 3: no different than the rest of the body, and our
- 23:17Speaker 3: eyes really are a window to what's happening elsewhere. And
- 23:21Speaker 3: the best that people can do for themselves is is
- 23:27Speaker 3: do all of the healthy things that can protect their
- 23:32Speaker 3: their full system in their eyes.
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- 23:48Speaker 2: Todd Lang. Thanks for joining us today.
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