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Young Mom Poisons Lover's Drink With RAID ANT KILLER: Cops · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a fun night
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Speaker 1: out on the town end up with severe stomach cramps,
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Speaker 1: intense projectile vomiting, a nine to one one call, and
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Speaker 1: a trip to the er? How did that happen? I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Well,
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Speaker 1: it all starts out pretty innocently. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Plan was out drinking at a bar last night when
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Speaker 2: she called him saying she was coming home and wanted
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Speaker 2: to have a drink with him at the house.
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Speaker 1: He told him.
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Speaker 2: After two drinks, he started feeling sick, then throwing up
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Speaker 2: for thirty minutes before he can manage to call for help.
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Speaker 1: Out drinking at a bar. The lady he calls the
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Speaker 1: mail says she wants to have a drink with him.
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Speaker 1: He agrees, she goes to his place, and then suddenly,
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Speaker 1: after they have drinks at his place, he begins projectile vomiting,
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Speaker 1: vomiting for thirty minutes, thirty straight minutes with me in
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Speaker 1: all Star Pound makes sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But first to doctor Kendall Crowns. The chief medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: Terrence County. That's fort Worth. Never lack of business there,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Lecturer, University Texas
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Speaker 1: and Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Crowns, should vomiting, projectile,
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Speaker 1: painful vomiting last thirty minutes.
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Speaker 3: Well, not typically, but occasionally in instances in which you
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Speaker 3: might have food poising or got a hold of a
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Speaker 3: bacteria like chicella or something along those lines. What shagella salmonilla?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 1: Is shaguella? Is it salmonella or is it something different?
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Speaker 3: They're different?
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Speaker 1: What is shigella?
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Speaker 3: They're bacteria that are associated with food that can get
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Speaker 3: into your system and then they can cause basically food
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Speaker 3: poisoning and can even cause well they'll cause vomiting, protect
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Speaker 3: projectile vomiting, and then eventually it can cause haemorrhagic vomiting
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Speaker 3: as they cause irritation of stomach lining.
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Speaker 1: What is haemorrhagic vomiting?
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Speaker 3: Your blood bloody vomit?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Shagella, you said a bacteria that gets into your food.
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Speaker 1: Could it get into your drink?
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Speaker 3: Probably not unless you're drinking something like that has a
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Speaker 3: milk product or something along those lines.
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Speaker 1: So Shagella is from milk products.
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Speaker 3: You can get food poisoning from bad milk and but
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Speaker 3: not alcohol.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so what is salmonella? I thought that is the
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Speaker 1: bacteria you get in food and drink.
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Speaker 3: It's also another bacteria that's associated with food poisoning.
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Speaker 1: Because I've never heard of schigella until right now. When
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Speaker 1: you say bacteria, where does it come from?
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Speaker 3: It can be on your skin, it can be in
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Speaker 3: the whatever the surfaces that you're around. It can be
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Speaker 3: around anything. It's just the dirtiness of the environment you're in.
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Speaker 3: That's what it's typically called.
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Speaker 1: As opposed to salmonella, which is a bacteria that grows
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Speaker 1: inside the food.
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Speaker 3: Salmonilla can usually the associated with growing within the food,
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Speaker 3: and it can also be on It can be in
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Speaker 3: the environment as well.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand something to Nicole Parton joining US Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, the victim, he didn't have
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Speaker 1: any food after she came over. They just had drinks, right.
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Speaker 5: That's right, they just had a few drinks. There was
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Speaker 5: no mention of any food.
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Speaker 1: Well, do we know what the drinks were?
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Speaker 5: Just alcoholic beverages.
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Speaker 1: That's what we know because we have been covering and
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Speaker 1: investigating cases. For instance, at these all five star, all
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Speaker 1: inclusive resorts where people go and they go to the bar,
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Speaker 1: and it's typically in Mexico by the way, they go
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Speaker 1: to the bar and suddenly they get sick and die.
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Speaker 1: We found out that is from illegal alcohol, basically moonshine,
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Speaker 1: and these high end resorts I'm talking about five star
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Speaker 1: trying to cut costs, will put the unauthorized alcohol moonshine
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Speaker 1: made in like factories into the high end top shelf
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Speaker 1: bottles to trick customers and then they are tainted and
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Speaker 1: the victims die. So there are ways to be poisoned, food,
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Speaker 1: poisoning by beverage.
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Speaker 3: So if we're talking about alcohol, yes, people will mix
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Speaker 3: methanol in them in the moonshine. There's often they don't properly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Candle Crowns. I don't like interrupting you because you
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Speaker 1: know so much more than me. But injecting methanol, what's methanol?
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Speaker 3: Methanolism is another form of alcohol, but it is not digestible.
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Speaker 3: It breaks down into your body into dangerous chemicals that
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Speaker 3: can cause blindness in death, and they'll usually be associated
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Speaker 3: with vomiting as well, and it's often it can be
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Speaker 3: found in the moonshines that you're referring to when they
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Speaker 3: don't properly distill them. Instead of forming ethanol, they form methanol.
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Speaker 1: Okay, methanol is that what's used in rubbing alcohol? What
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Speaker 1: is methanol?
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Speaker 3: Rubbing alcohol is isopropyle alcohol, and that also can be
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Speaker 3: added in the drinks to try and we see this
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Speaker 3: in chronic alcoholics that can't get a hold of alcohol
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Speaker 3: will drink the isopropyle alcohol in the medicine cabin.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a question right there. We
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Speaker 1: had a couple over several years ago and I found
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Speaker 1: after they left. You know those huge bottles of the
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Speaker 1: gold colored listerine. Have you ever seen those Doctor Kendl
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Speaker 1: crowns that are really big with a black top. Well,
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Speaker 1: my dad always got those, so I get them too,
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Speaker 1: and they just taste terrible. But anyway, when the couple left,
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Speaker 1: I was putting clean towels in the linen closet and
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Speaker 1: there was an empty one of those huge containers of
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Speaker 1: listine shoved down behind the towels. I said, David, why
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Speaker 1: did you put this into towels? And he said, I
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Speaker 1: didn't and this is before the twins, so I need
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Speaker 1: they didn't do it.
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Speaker 3: The listrine also is contains ethanol. Actually I forget what
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Speaker 3: percentage it is, but you can get drunk drinking listrine.
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Speaker 1: And you must really want to get drunk to drink
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Speaker 1: one of those huge bottles of listerine. Yeah, okay, you
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Speaker 1: know I'm gonna blame you for getting off course, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Kindall Crowns, Uh, you're such a talker.
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Speaker 3: You can take sprain At and spray into a cup
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Speaker 3: and drink that as well, because it'll ge be alcoholics
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Speaker 3: because it's mainly alcohol.
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Speaker 1: What is sprain net?
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Speaker 3: Sprain At its hairspray. It's that classic hairspray you can
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Speaker 3: get in the eighties to proof your hair up and
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Speaker 3: give your you know, your rooster tail bangs and stuff
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Speaker 3: like that. It's a good old fashioned hairspring.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendle Crowns, I never know what I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get. I guess it's like a box of chocolates.
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Speaker 1: Like up to you with a question joining me Also,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lyle D. Bragoon, PhD, Toxicology expert, President CEO of Raptor,
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Speaker 1: oh As in the Dinosaur Raptor Farm and Talks LTD.
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Speaker 1: Fellow of the Academy of Toxicological Sciences Toxic truthblog dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Burgoon, what about the fact that this woman goes
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Speaker 1: out a mom I might add to a baby as
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Speaker 1: having a great night on the town. She doesn't want
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Speaker 1: the night to end. She comes home to meet the guy.
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Speaker 1: They have a few drinks, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: he starts projectile vomini. It's not he wasn't sick before
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Speaker 1: she got there, So it's not like the chicken pop
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Speaker 1: pie he had for dinner four hours before made him sick.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a JD. You're the MD, you
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Speaker 1: and doctor Kendall Crowns. But it seems to me like
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Speaker 1: she and that drink is somehow connected or I mean,
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Speaker 1: if it was food poisoning from supper he may have
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Speaker 1: had several hours before, why did it manifest in this
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Speaker 1: very aggressive manner after she gets on the scene.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. It's you know, when we do a
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Speaker 6: causal analysis and toxicology investigations, you know, such as this one.
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Speaker 6: The first question we asked is about four questions, which
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Speaker 6: you're obviously very familiar with because it's the same thing
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Speaker 6: we present in court. Right, and so we would ask
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Speaker 6: the question, you know, but for this woman coming in,
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Speaker 6: was he productile vomiting? Probably not, you know, given you know,
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Speaker 6: like you said, it's food poisoning is generally pretty quick
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Speaker 6: and onset. You know, he drinks two drinks and all
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Speaker 6: of a sudden the projectile vomiting. That's it's It's highly
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Speaker 6: unlikely he would ever get to the levels of alcohol
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Speaker 6: poisoning to cause that kind of effect.
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Speaker 1: So why is this doctor bergin talking or doctor Crown's
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Speaker 1: doctor Forginny. So both to both of you, doctors question
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Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning, I think is something that occurs over the
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Speaker 1: ingestion of many, many drinks. But this was really quick,
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Speaker 1: didn't Nicole Parton? Didn't he just have two drinks?
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Speaker 5: He had about four drinks and it was after the
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Speaker 5: last two that he became very sick. But it was
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Speaker 5: in a very short time frame, within about an hour,
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Speaker 5: where all of this went down.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen now to our friends at w SH.
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Speaker 7: We noticed a can of raid sitting in the driveway
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Speaker 7: of the couple's home, and deputies shared a picture of
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Speaker 7: the spray found inside. The victim told deputies he had
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Speaker 7: to wait nearly thirty minutes before he could call nine
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Speaker 7: to one one for help.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I do only the sound of that. When amts arrived,
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Speaker 1: they see a can of RAID sitting in the driveway
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Speaker 1: of the couple's home. I don't know, you know, isn't
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Speaker 1: there raid that can kill outdoor bugs like ants? Prime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, Robert Crispin joining me. Private investigator
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Speaker 1: Cash this former Federal Task Force officer for the US
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice DEA the Miami Field Division, former homicide
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Speaker 1: detective now at Crispin Special Investigations and you can find
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Speaker 1: him at Crispin Investigations dot com. This is in your
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Speaker 1: neck of the woods in the Florida jurisdiction, and there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of bugs down there because of the
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Speaker 1: semi tropical weather. So a lot of people using raid
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Speaker 1: outdoor spray for ants or outdoor bugs. I guess is
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Speaker 1: pretty common, right.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not uncommon to find different pesticides,
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Speaker 8: raid or anything when you get to somebody else's house.
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Speaker 8: But as the scene starts on fold and you see,
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Speaker 8: you know, you start talking to your victim and you
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Speaker 8: find that it's a rapid onset and clearly he wasn't
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Speaker 8: feeling bad. When she got home, he wasn't feeling bad,
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Speaker 8: and she said let's have a cocktail.
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Speaker 9: It wasn't like, oh.
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Speaker 8: I'm getting sick, I don't feel good. I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 8: come on home, let's have a cocktail. And then the
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Speaker 8: rapid onset, the violent throwing up. Then he gets to
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Speaker 8: nine one one, and they arrived as this unfolded. They
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Speaker 8: started to put this together. And where's the girlfriend. I
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Speaker 8: haven't heard me mention her yet.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying, you're a PI. When I go to
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Speaker 1: a crime scene, I look around seeing raid outside the
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Speaker 1: home in the driveway, in a buggy area that's semi tropical.
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Speaker 1: That would not raise a concern for me. It's not
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Speaker 1: as if she has reno sitting on the kitchen counter. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eighteen white for it
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Speaker 1: our friends at KKEL.
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Speaker 10: Her husband is a doctor as well, and his name
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Speaker 10: is Jack Chen. He has videos from July eleventh, eighteenth,
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Speaker 10: and twenty fifth allegedly showing his wife in their kitchen
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Speaker 10: with a big bottle of d reno. Now, according to
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Speaker 10: Jack Chen's lawyer, in one of the clips, you can
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Speaker 10: see Chen's wife removing a piece of serrand wrap that
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Speaker 10: was placed over Chen's lemonade drink. She then pours d
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Speaker 10: reno allegedly into that cup and puts the surand wrap
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Speaker 10: back on top.
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Speaker 1: That's not all. Take a listen to our cut sixty
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Speaker 1: and our friends at ABC seven. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what draino did to this otherwise loving husband and father.
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Speaker 11: Radiologist Jack Chen says he noticed a chemical taste in
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Speaker 11: his drinks. In March, he set up a hidden camera
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Speaker 11: in their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife. You
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Speaker 11: you allegedly taking draino from under the sink and pouring
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Speaker 11: it into his lemonade in three separate instances. In July,
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Speaker 11: a doctor diagnosed Chen with two stomach leserts, gastritis and
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Speaker 11: esophagus inflammation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so in that case with doctor Chen, the draino
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Speaker 1: is sitting right there on the counter and caught on
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Speaker 1: a video cam underneath the counter, and on that recording
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Speaker 1: that they heven the husband set up because he became suspicious.
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Speaker 1: He had a wide pan shot of the kitchen. Then
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Speaker 1: he had a camera under the sink, under the sink counter,
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Speaker 1: and you see the wive's hand reach in and get
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Speaker 1: the draino and take it out pourt of the drink,
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Speaker 1: sit it on the counter, Uh to you, doctor Lyle D.
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Speaker 1: Braguine joining us, doctor bragoon draino? What would that do
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Speaker 1: to your insides?
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Speaker 6: Draina is pretty nasty. It's it's a very caustic base,
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Speaker 6: which means it has a you know, really high pH
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Speaker 6: And what's going to happen. It's gonna burn all the
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Speaker 6: tissues as it goes down from your mouth all the
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Speaker 6: way down to your esophagus. It's gonna burn all that
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Speaker 6: tissue up and it's gonna start and you got your
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Speaker 6: hand up with inflammation, like you said, in the stomach.
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Speaker 6: It's going to cause a lot of chemical reactions. You know,
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Speaker 6: it's not common in these cases, like they said, to
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Speaker 6: develop ulcers. You know, that's exactly what I would expect
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Speaker 6: to see in this kind of case. It probably would
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Speaker 6: also in the short term, lead to diarrhea and nausea,
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Speaker 6: potentially bombing if the amounts of dre You know.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I covered and investigated a case. The defendant
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Speaker 1: was named Lynn Turner. She had one husband die of
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be a heart attack, then a boyfriend
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Speaker 1: died of what appeared to be a heart attack. Turns
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Speaker 1: out she was slipping anti freeze into I believe it
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Speaker 1: was lime jello and feeding it to them so they.
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Speaker 1: I then found out which I had never known before.
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Speaker 1: I always wondered, why do pats drink any freeze? I mean,
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Speaker 1: when I smell something chemically, I don't want to ingest it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I found out that anti freeze can actually have a
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Speaker 1: sweet taste to it. So to you, Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: it seems to me that doctor Chin would notice he's
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Speaker 1: drinking DRAINO.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you would think so. I mean it would
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Speaker 3: burn quite a bit as it goes down, so I
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Speaker 3: would hope you would realize this.
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Speaker 1: But it was disguised in a lemonade drink. Yea was
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Speaker 1: she putting small dosages? Take a list hour cut seventeen
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Speaker 1: our friend Amy roebog Gma.
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Speaker 12: These surveillance images show the moments that California man says
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Speaker 12: he was secretly poisoned by his wife. The images part
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Speaker 12: of a restraining order filing by doctor Jack Chen against
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Speaker 12: his wife of ten years, doctor Emily Yu.
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Speaker 8: This poisoning a curry over a period of time that
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Speaker 8: caused him, in part to suspect his wife was poisoning him,
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Speaker 8: and so he placed surreptitious recording devices.
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Speaker 1: In the home.
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Speaker 12: The forty five year old dermatologist was placed under arrest
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Speaker 12: and later released on thirty thousand dollars bail.
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Speaker 1: So that poisoning was over time, so she who By
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Speaker 1: the way, the wife was also a medical doctor. She
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Speaker 1: was poisoning him a little bit at the time. So
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Speaker 1: is it possible to you, doctor Kendall Crowns that it
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Speaker 1: wasn't enough in there. He might have thought I had
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Speaker 1: an odd taste, but not enough that he wouldn't drink it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's possible if she's doing the long
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Speaker 3: term game of chronic exposure to kill him. It's possibly.
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't realize that the poison or the draino
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Speaker 3: in there. He just thinks it's an odd taste, and
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Speaker 3: if she does it enough, he's just like, oh, she
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Speaker 3: must do something weird with his drink. It always tastes weird.
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Speaker 3: But isn't really thinking about that she's slowly poisoning them.
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Speaker 3: That's actually common in the poisoners is they introduce small
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Speaker 3: amounts in the material over time and don't necessarily always
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Speaker 3: do an acute situation.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining me, renownedd psychologist, TV radio trauma expert.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. And that's
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Speaker 1: with a sat in case you're trying to find her. Karen,
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna tell you a funny anecdote. And
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm happy because in this case, the victim
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Speaker 1: who doesn't want us to say his name lived. I
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Speaker 1: don't have a dead body yet. It reminds me. I
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Speaker 1: saw this recipe the children My children love. Don't judge me.
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Speaker 1: They love sloppy Joe mix. They love it. And I
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Speaker 1: put a secret ingredient, brown sugar in it. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I found this recipe, Karen Stark, And I know you
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Speaker 1: love to order out and go to fancy restaurants. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but I made a sloppy Joe tater tot casserole. Don't
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Speaker 1: ask too many questions. What could go wrong? Quit making faces, Sidney,
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Speaker 1: you ate till you have twins. Yeah, I saw you.
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Speaker 1: I saw the face. Okay, sounds good, she says, Okay.
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Speaker 1: And we actually had guests over. Well. I was rushing
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Speaker 1: around getting everything on the table and they had started eating,
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Speaker 1: and there was a little pause, but everyone cleaned their plates.
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Speaker 1: I finally ate a bit, and I'm like, okay, there's
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Speaker 1: something really wrong with this, And there was. I think
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Speaker 1: there was something wrong with the ground beef. Nobody got sick,
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Speaker 1: but it just had a peculiar taste. But because I
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Speaker 1: had made it, no one said, hey, did you poison me?
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Speaker 1: They ate the sloppy Joe tater todd It was a
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Speaker 1: thing of beauty. Sydney quit laughing. The whole top was
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Speaker 1: beautifully golden brown tater tots on top of a bed,
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Speaker 1: a steaming bed of sloppy joe. Anyway, that said, what
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Speaker 1: about the mental framework when somebody you love? I remember
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Speaker 1: growing up my mom would come in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night if I was sick, and she would give
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Speaker 1: me something to drink and maybe some medicine or some
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Speaker 1: chopped eyes. I would never think to say, Mom, turn
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Speaker 1: on the light. I want to make sure you're not
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Speaker 1: poisoning me. So people may taste something unusual, that a
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Speaker 1: tinge of something icky, but because of who's giving it
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Speaker 1: to you, you would never think they're poisoning me.
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Speaker 4: That's right, Nan, It's all about trust, right, Like your
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Speaker 4: friends are at your home and they trust you, they
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Speaker 4: assume that you're not going to hurt them, and if
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Speaker 4: you're in a relationship with them, but you would assume
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Speaker 4: the same thing, right, You would just assume, why would
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Speaker 4: that person want to do anything to harm me? So
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Speaker 4: you're drinking something that tastes God, you're tasting something. You're
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Speaker 4: not going to make that assumption with me.
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Speaker 1: Is Deal Carson, high profile criminal defense attorney also in
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Speaker 1: the Florida jurisdiction where this went down, Former fbiagent, former
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Speaker 1: police officer with Miami Dade, author of Arrest Proof Yourself
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Speaker 1: and you can find them at del Carson Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: Del Carson, I mean when the EMTs arrive, they see
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Speaker 1: a can of raid sitting outside the home. As Robert
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Speaker 1: Crispin and I discussed, it's a semi tropical area. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people, not me, but a lot of people
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Speaker 1: use very oh gosh, I want to say, harsh, aggressive
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Speaker 1: type of bug sprays to get rid of the bugs
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Speaker 1: so they don't come in the house. I get it.
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Speaker 1: So being in Florida, being that this man and woman
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Speaker 1: were intimately familiar with each other, what's the reason to
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Speaker 1: suspect her?
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Speaker 9: Well, we had this happen to an FBI agent in
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Speaker 9: atlasta when I was there, and his wife, over a
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Speaker 9: period of time, as one of your other speakers indicated,
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Speaker 9: poisoned him and she found a root doctor to give
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Speaker 9: her the necessary material in order to put it in
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Speaker 9: his food, and over about a six month period, he
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Speaker 9: ultimately got to the point where he was dreaming and
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Speaker 9: having nightmares, at which point the two assassins came into
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Speaker 9: the house and actually shot him. And so I'm familiar
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Speaker 9: with that process, and it's deadly as hell, and you
21:53
Speaker 9: wonder why people would quietly do things like this. He
21:57
Speaker 9: happened to survive. He took a hit directly in the
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Speaker 9: chest that went through the innerspace between his sternham and
22:04
Speaker 9: his lungs and missed every vital organ. But he was
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Speaker 9: lucky to survive and would have obviously responded to the
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Speaker 9: attack had he not been drugged or poisoned the world.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying here is that there's not cause
22:20
Speaker 1: for alarm yet. This could be shigella, this could be salmonella.
22:27
Speaker 1: The ray can is easy explainable, But why was the
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Speaker 1: onset so quick after she arrives. Take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our friends at WSH.
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Speaker 7: Deputies were called to Clines de Leon Springs home about
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Speaker 7: four thirty am by her boyfriend, who also lives here
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Speaker 7: with the couple's year old child. The boyfriend told deputies
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Speaker 7: Klein came home from a bar and asked the victim
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Speaker 7: to continue drinking with her. According to the report, the
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Speaker 7: victim said he consumed two alcoholic beverages when he began
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Speaker 7: feeling sick.
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Speaker 1: So it was just two beverages. Okay, there's a little
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Speaker 1: confusion on that. Was there two or were there two
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Speaker 1: or they're four? But the plot thickens. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our friends at WKMG.
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Speaker 8: She's trying to come up from here right now, and
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Speaker 8: she's going to our daughter right now.
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Speaker 1: I need to get officer, he tells deputies.
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Speaker 2: Client told him what to use the poison his drinks
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Speaker 2: and that she wished to do the same to their daughter.
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Speaker 7: And more from wish, the suspect allegedly told him she
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Speaker 7: added raid roach spray to his last two beverages and
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Speaker 7: that she wished to do the same to their child.
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Speaker 3: I have a recording her herds saying that she was
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Speaker 3: trying to kill me.
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Speaker 7: According to the deputies, the victim said the bug spray
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Speaker 7: made him so sick he was vomiting for half an hour.
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Speaker 1: Prolonged vomiting pain straight back out to Nicole Parton. Crimeonline
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton, it's a miracle that
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Speaker 1: he was able to call nine one one, But did
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Speaker 1: I understand that correctly that she said she also wanted
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Speaker 1: to poison the baby.
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Speaker 5: That's right, and he was able to actually have the
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Speaker 5: mindset to hit record on his telephone, and he has
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Speaker 5: this entire conversation recorded while he's fighting for his life vomiting.
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Speaker 5: She says, yes, I poisoned you with the raid roach killer,
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Speaker 5: and I want to do the same thing to our child.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that he had the wherewithal to
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Speaker 1: punch the record button. You know, Karen Stark, I've read
24:31
Speaker 1: stories and actually interviewed people that yet an amazing burst
24:37
Speaker 1: of energy when it comes to saving their child. Even
24:43
Speaker 1: lifting a car, one person lifting a car, or some
24:47
Speaker 1: daring feat, you get that adrenaline, you get that inspiration
24:52
Speaker 1: for yourself. You may not have it. But when she
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Speaker 1: allegedly tells him I'm doing the same to the baby,
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Speaker 1: he somehow dragged himself to the phone and called nine
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Speaker 1: to one one. Have you ever seen anything like that?
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Speaker 4: Personally? I haven't, but it doesn't surprise me because now
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Speaker 4: you're talking about just not his own death and his
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Speaker 4: need to survive, but a child, and that is going
25:19
Speaker 4: to give him tremendous amounts of courage, and we know
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Speaker 4: that adrenaline. It really comes forward in that kind of
25:25
Speaker 4: a crisis. It's a fight or flight, and he fought.
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Speaker 1: Everything began unfolding very quickly. Take a listen to our
25:34
Speaker 1: friends at west Nee's.
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Speaker 7: And after deputies arrived, they say the victim became sick
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Speaker 7: again and was ultimately taken to the hospital.
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Speaker 13: Put your hands off, Put your hands off.
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Speaker 1: Do it now.
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Speaker 7: S aspect Kleine had left the house before deputies got unseen,
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Speaker 7: but a canine unit located her a block or so away.
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Speaker 1: Show me your hands.
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Speaker 14: Walk towards me.
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Speaker 1: Now, walk towards.
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Speaker 14: Me, Walk towards me, talking, shove your hands do it now, show.
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Speaker 13: Me your hands pocket, Put your hands up, put your
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Speaker 13: hands up, do it now, hands up, Put your hands up,
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Speaker 13: show me your hands.
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Speaker 14: Walk towards me. Now, walk towards me. Walk towards me.
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Speaker 14: Stop stop right there, Get on your knees. Stay right
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Speaker 14: there right here. Watch watch.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, not ma, you're good.
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Speaker 1: How good boy? God soup monny, good boy? Not a
26:45
Speaker 1: good dog. Hit'll find out batman.
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Speaker 13: Good boy, that good dog, good suit, bunny, good boy?
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Speaker 1: Good sup.
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Speaker 14: Did he bite you anywhere?
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Speaker 3: That's okay?
27:01
Speaker 1: All right, yes, okay, you know right there. I love
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Speaker 1: the officer's tone of voice. He say, get on your knees,
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Speaker 1: Get on your knees, show your hands, good boy, good boy,
27:13
Speaker 1: good boy, you're great dog. Didn't he bite anywhere? Just
27:16
Speaker 1: the way he's responding to her versus the dog. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, I guess when you're dealing with a defendant
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Speaker 1: that you think just poisoned the father of her child
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Speaker 1: with raid bug spray, you don't know if she's going
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Speaker 1: to pull out a knife or a gun from God
27:36
Speaker 1: only knows where on her body and start shooting.
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Speaker 5: What happened absolutely and when she heard him making that
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Speaker 5: nine one call, she ran. She went out the door,
27:46
Speaker 5: and she ran and was trying to get away and
27:50
Speaker 5: hide in the bushes. Of course, when the police arrived
27:52
Speaker 5: and heard what was happening, they immediately went after her
27:55
Speaker 5: and had to treat her as a perpetrator. She had
27:59
Speaker 5: potentially allegedly tried to kill someone, so they had to
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Speaker 5: go after her.
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Speaker 1: Where does the dog fit into this scenario?
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Speaker 5: The lead investigator, the guy who's the policeman who came
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Speaker 5: out on the nine one one call, called for backup
28:10
Speaker 5: and said, hey, she's ran. There's a victim here. The
28:14
Speaker 5: alleged perpetrators on the run. They called for backup, They
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Speaker 5: brought in the canine, then they found her.
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Speaker 1: To Deal Carson, high profile criminal defense attorney joining us
28:22
Speaker 1: out of the Florida jurisdiction at deal Carson law dot com.
28:26
Speaker 1: You know, in many jurisdictions, the judge in a case
28:31
Speaker 1: no longer gives a jury an instruction on flight. In
28:37
Speaker 1: other words, if someone runs from the scene or you know,
28:41
Speaker 1: bond forfeits. To me, that's an indication of guilt. Why
28:45
Speaker 1: else would they leave? But you can still argue it
28:48
Speaker 1: to the jury and your closing argument. That doesn't look good.
28:51
Speaker 1: When your lover, your sweetheart, the father of your child
28:56
Speaker 1: is desperately ill, he's the one that calls nine one
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Speaker 1: to get help, and the minute he does, you run
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Speaker 1: and hide. In the Bush's classic classic textbook example a
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Speaker 1: flight as indication of guilt, I mean, when I see
29:12
Speaker 1: a cop, I don't go around hide in the bush, right.
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Speaker 9: When I would ruin the defendant's effort at any kind
29:17
Speaker 9: of argument that she wasn't guilty or not involved. When
29:22
Speaker 9: you have someone who's sick, everyone and particularly on a
29:25
Speaker 9: jury panel, expects you to call for help instead of
29:28
Speaker 9: fleeing the scene, which tells us that she is. That's
29:31
Speaker 9: clearly an indication of guilty.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Lyle D. Bragoon, toxicology expert, doctor Bragoon, what
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Speaker 1: is in Well, first of all, how did you decide
29:46
Speaker 1: Were you a little boy when you said I want
29:49
Speaker 1: to be a toxicologist, I'm all about poison. When did
29:52
Speaker 1: you decide you wanted to focus on toxicology.
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Speaker 6: You know, it's a funny story. When I was a
30:00
Speaker 6: little boy, I wanted to be a game show host.
30:03
Speaker 6: I was inspired by Bob Barker, I guess now in college,
30:06
Speaker 6: that's when I decided that I was really fascinated by
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Speaker 6: poisons and how they work and how they operate in
30:12
Speaker 6: the body. And I was inspired by my mother who
30:15
Speaker 6: had chemical induced diabetes, and so that's really I was
30:22
Speaker 6: trying really hard to understand how she got chemical induce diabetes.
30:26
Speaker 6: And that's that's when I decided to become a toxicologist.
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Speaker 1: Wow, how did she get chemically in these diabetes?
30:32
Speaker 6: It's kind of an interesting thing. Back when my mom
30:35
Speaker 6: was around, it was very common to give steroids orally
30:40
Speaker 6: as opposed to inhalation like we do today's control asthma.
30:44
Speaker 6: So she had asthma. She was given oral steroids and
30:47
Speaker 6: the corticosteroids in particular. What happens is those actually activate
30:51
Speaker 6: in your fight or flight response, which increases your blood sugar.
30:55
Speaker 6: And because she was taking these chronically, her blood sugar
30:58
Speaker 6: was chronically high, which then eventually causes the pancreas to
31:04
Speaker 6: not work properly cause of diabetes. And then eventually, you know,
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Speaker 6: if she had lived long enough, she had become interindependent
31:12
Speaker 6: as well.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's an incredible story, and just know deep down inside,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendle Crowns, I'm coming to you next on why
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Speaker 1: you wanted to become a medical examiner. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Doctor Lyell D. Bragoon. What is inn raid
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Speaker 1: and what does it do to your body?
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Speaker 6: So raid has it's actually mostly mineral oil. A lot
31:52
Speaker 6: of people don't realize that it's about thirty to sixty
31:54
Speaker 6: percent mineral oil, they won't tell us exactly how much.
31:57
Speaker 6: And then just the tiniest amount less than one percent
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Speaker 6: is actually the active ingredient insecticides which are in the
32:06
Speaker 6: first and then safer methrine, which those are the things
32:11
Speaker 6: that will actually kill the bugs. Those are neurotoxics, neurotoxicants
32:16
Speaker 6: for the insects, and so they don't have to be
32:19
Speaker 6: really high concentrations because the insects is a tiny So
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Speaker 6: most of what's actually going to harm humans is that
32:27
Speaker 6: mineral oil.
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Speaker 1: Trying to way through what you're saying. When if someone
32:31
Speaker 1: ingest raid bug spray, what does it do to your inside?
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Speaker 1: It's mostly mineral oil, not much.
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Speaker 9: Well, it actually does quite a bit.
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Speaker 6: Miner oil is a little bit more irritating than most
32:42
Speaker 6: people realize. Mineral oil medicinally, very low concentrations is used.
32:48
Speaker 6: If you have constipation, it'll form a water type film
32:53
Speaker 6: around the insides of your intestines, especially large intestine prevent
32:57
Speaker 6: the water from being absorbed by a large intest and
33:00
Speaker 6: keeping it inside the feces so that you can then
33:04
Speaker 6: deficate easily when you get in higher concentrations. What starts
33:08
Speaker 6: to happen. It starts irritating the small intestine, a little
33:11
Speaker 6: bit of the stomach, and it'll activate your brain to
33:13
Speaker 6: start vomiting because it sees the minner oil as a harmful.
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Speaker 1: Toxic Okay, see, did not know that you're hearing doctor
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Speaker 1: Lyle Date Bragoon Doctor Kendll Crowns joining US Chief Medical
33:27
Speaker 1: Examiner Terren County. That's Fort Worth, doctor Kendall Crowns. You
33:31
Speaker 1: have autopsy literally thousands, thousands of patients. First of all,
33:39
Speaker 1: why did you become a medical examiner?
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Speaker 3: Well, my dad taught chriminology and so I was always
33:47
Speaker 3: kind of around you know, formsic investigations and things of
33:52
Speaker 3: that nature. And when I was a kid, I wanted
33:54
Speaker 3: to be a doctor, and he told me about things
33:57
Speaker 3: of pathology and introduce me to one of the low
34:00
Speaker 3: medical examinas. I saw my first autopsy when I was
34:03
Speaker 3: in ninth grade.
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Speaker 1: On a human.
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Speaker 3: Yes, on a human.
34:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of wish I didn't know that, but
34:11
Speaker 1: it makes me like you even more than you did
34:14
Speaker 1: your first autopsy at what age did you say?
34:16
Speaker 3: It was ninth grade? So thirteen fifteen, it was. It
34:21
Speaker 3: was just fascinating to me.
34:23
Speaker 1: What do you make of this. I mean it's on tape.
34:28
Speaker 1: The guy had the wherewithal to push record much. It
34:33
Speaker 1: reminds you of the little girls in Delphi, Abby and
34:36
Speaker 1: Libby who recorded their killer saying down the hill, Down
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Speaker 1: the hill, and probably more that we don't know about yet.
34:44
Speaker 1: But how does your mind keep working, doctor Kendall Crowns,
34:48
Speaker 1: when you are in intense pain and physical dilemma close
34:53
Speaker 1: to death?
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Speaker 3: I think you know what. The epinephrine flowing through your
34:58
Speaker 3: system the fight or flight response to do anything you
35:01
Speaker 3: can to survive. So people can do quite amazing things
35:06
Speaker 3: in these situations to keep going and to keep their
35:10
Speaker 3: wits about them to help them survive. So even recording it,
35:15
Speaker 3: he's trying to survive. I've seeing people do any number
35:18
Speaker 3: of things that intend to survive. Even people who hang
35:21
Speaker 3: themselves will clutch at the at the rope to try
35:24
Speaker 3: and get it off their necks before they die. So
35:28
Speaker 3: the mind is an incredible thing and it often wants
35:31
Speaker 3: to preserve itself. Nothing nobody wants to die.
35:34
Speaker 1: Take listen to our cut three. This is Molly Reed
35:37
Speaker 1: WKMG Veronica.
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Speaker 2: Client is now being held here in the Volusia County
35:41
Speaker 2: Jail without bond now.
35:42
Speaker 1: The victim told.
35:43
Speaker 2: Deputies that he had to wait thirty minutes after he
35:46
Speaker 2: was poisoned to call nine one one. Twenty nine year
35:49
Speaker 2: old client in court this afternoon now facing a charge
35:52
Speaker 2: of poisoning with intent to kills.
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Speaker 1: No way I would release miss client on the supervise
35:57
Speaker 1: release Clian. You said it, mobone. I cannot believe this
36:02
Speaker 1: woman has walked out of jail, no bond or released
36:07
Speaker 1: on her own recognizant. Karen Stark got a question for you.
36:12
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the catch off phrase that the
36:17
Speaker 1: question why do men like crazy women? Why don't they
36:22
Speaker 1: like women that you have a job and they're responsible.
36:26
Speaker 1: What is it about pure crazy that would attract someone?
36:30
Speaker 1: Because this woman already had two priors for wielding a knife, Yes,
36:37
Speaker 1: for wielding a knife, why would he stay with her?
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Speaker 4: Well, the thing that's hard for us to understand, and
36:44
Speaker 4: but happens to be true in many cases, is that
36:48
Speaker 4: crazy women are very exciting, and men are attracted to
36:54
Speaker 4: the fact that they're outgoing, exciting. They say things that Wow,
36:59
Speaker 4: I can't believe she said that. Isn't that something nobody
37:02
Speaker 4: else would say it?
37:02
Speaker 1: Because she's yeah, and.
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Speaker 4: It happens much more often than you would think because
37:10
Speaker 4: they've never encountered anything so exciting and they have no
37:14
Speaker 4: idea what they're in for.
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Speaker 1: Dell Carson, some people call it exciting. I find it
37:20
Speaker 1: tedious and irritating to make one bad choice after the next,
37:26
Speaker 1: and especially when you have children, Why would you want
37:30
Speaker 1: to be with someone like that that's making one bad
37:34
Speaker 1: decision after the next. That said trouble with the law,
37:37
Speaker 1: wielding a knife for Pete's sake, and exposing that person
37:41
Speaker 1: to your children. I mean, you see it all the
37:44
Speaker 1: time where one person in the relationship is charged with
37:47
Speaker 1: a violent crime and the other person has gone along
37:49
Speaker 1: for the ride.
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Speaker 9: We see this constantly and domestic violence cases in Florida,
37:55
Speaker 9: and I can simply tell you that it has an
37:57
Speaker 9: impact on everyone around that family. The parents, the grandparents,
38:02
Speaker 9: the children particularly get damaged. Florida has started charging individuals
38:07
Speaker 9: in those cases with child abuse, So if you get
38:10
Speaker 9: charged with fighting in front of your family and there's
38:14
Speaker 9: a child in the room, you're going to get tagged
38:16
Speaker 9: with child abuse as well. So it's very Men in
38:22
Speaker 9: my experience, are often very shortsighted when it comes to
38:27
Speaker 9: selecting women that they'd like to be involved with involved.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, that's certainly one way of putting it. You're
38:33
Speaker 1: certainly putting to put it in I involved with I
38:37
Speaker 1: a sleep with Okay, Delle Carson for once you put
38:40
Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. But I saw right through that
38:43
Speaker 1: Nicole parton. I'm looking at this woman. You would never
38:46
Speaker 1: know that she is capable of poisoning the father of
38:51
Speaker 1: her baby with raid aunt and bug spray? What why
38:56
Speaker 1: is she at on bond and what happens next?
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Speaker 5: Just checked on her as we're speaking, and she is
39:02
Speaker 5: actually still in custody. She is being held without bond.
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Speaker 1: Oh so that changed. I'm glad to hear it. And
39:09
Speaker 1: that's where she needs to stay until this goes to trial.
39:13
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. If you know or think
39:17
Speaker 1: you know anything about suspect Veronica Klein, aged twenty nine,
39:22
Speaker 1: out of De Leon Springs, Florida, Dial three eight six
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Speaker 1: two four eight one seven seven seven, whatever you do,
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Speaker 1: don't give her a job in the jail house kitchen. Goodbye, friend,