Latest / The Radio From Hell Show - Best Of / Vet Q&A From January 14th, 2026
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- 0:00Speaker 1: We trust that guy right there, the guy to my right,
- 0:04Speaker 1: the guy who's on the camera right now.
- 0:06Speaker 2: It's doctor Josh Davis.
- 0:07Speaker 1: He is a veterinarian who now has his own clinic
- 0:10Speaker 1: trilogy Trilogy pet Care Veterinary.
- 0:15Speaker 3: Ye Veterinarian Medical Center.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Yeah, Trilogy Veterinarian Medical.
- 0:18Speaker 1: It's a mouthful, and doctor Davis is kindly taking some
- 0:22Speaker 1: time out and coming here to answer questions about your pets.
- 0:27Speaker 4: I took Oakley the puppy to see doctor Davis last week.
- 0:31Speaker 4: She wasn't acting, you know, limping or acting like anything
- 0:34Speaker 4: was hurting, but I was petting her and I felt
- 0:35Speaker 4: like kind of a little lump on her, and I
- 0:37Speaker 4: asked doctor Davis, I'm like, is that an elbow, because
- 0:40Speaker 4: it seems like that's Do you call it an elbow
- 0:42Speaker 4: on a dog?
- 0:43Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's the same thing. Yeah.
- 0:47Speaker 4: But we're just kind of you know, Doctor Davis is
- 0:50Speaker 4: conservative with is treat when he's like, let's just watch
- 0:54Speaker 4: it for a little bit, not do anything right now,
- 0:56Speaker 4: especially if it's not bugging her.
- 0:58Speaker 1: But that's why I never pat any of my animals,
- 1:01Speaker 1: never pet them, because you'll you'll inevitably find something growing.
- 1:05Speaker 3: Ignorance is bliss right.
- 1:06Speaker 4: Yeah, but your staff there was great when we went
- 1:09Speaker 4: to visit. Everybody just smiling and happy and helpful and
- 1:14Speaker 4: had a good experience.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Because doctor Davis threatens them.
- 1:17Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't know what goes on in the back now,
- 1:19Speaker 5: that's yeah. We really try to make just a welcoming
- 1:23Speaker 5: environment and try to do the right thing, because I
- 1:26Speaker 5: think that's really important. You know, not everything needs thousands
- 1:29Speaker 5: of dollars a treatment. Sometimes it does, but not always.
- 1:31Speaker 4: For sure, So get it, don't don't don't not go
- 1:35Speaker 4: to the vet because you're worried it's going to be expensive. Yeah,
- 1:38Speaker 4: go and get your pet checked out.
- 1:40Speaker 2: And well there are.
- 1:41Speaker 3: Options, yeah, there's almost always options.
- 1:44Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. See.
- 1:44Speaker 6: I had a similar situation with Hudson. He had a
- 1:47Speaker 6: lump growing on his paw. I took him to my
- 1:50Speaker 6: old vet and at first they went, well, if it
- 1:54Speaker 6: gets bigger, then let us know. Okay, fine, a few
- 1:57Speaker 6: weeks later it got a little bit bigger, took him in,
- 2:00Speaker 6: Well let's.
- 2:00Speaker 2: Try to get a sample. Let's get a sample of
- 2:02Speaker 2: whatever that is.
- 2:03Speaker 6: And then after it was all done, they came to
- 2:06Speaker 6: me and said, well, we didn't get a very good
- 2:08Speaker 6: sample and I and I don't want to do it again,
- 2:10Speaker 6: and I went, well, then why am I here?
- 2:12Speaker 7: You know?
- 2:13Speaker 6: And then the ruling came down. Just just let it
- 2:16Speaker 6: go and it'll go away, and sure enough it did.
- 2:19Speaker 6: Still but good things checked? Good, Yeah, always, it never
- 2:22Speaker 6: hurts to get it checked.
- 2:24Speaker 1: What's ailing your puppy or your kiddy? And it looks
- 2:26Speaker 1: like we got line one about.
- 2:27Speaker 2: Ready to go?
- 2:28Speaker 6: Nicole is here? Oh, Nicole, Nicole, you're in a spaceship.
- 2:34Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, what's your question?
- 2:38Speaker 7: My question is if PP skin is the only past
- 2:42Speaker 7: that I can have done to detect the surgery mess.
- 2:46Speaker 6: Complications sorry say the last part again, surgery what complication?
- 2:52Speaker 8: Surgery mess, complicated.
- 2:55Speaker 4: Surgery mess like mesh mesh uh.
- 3:01Speaker 5: Yeah, to find something like that, X rays aren't always
- 3:04Speaker 5: good at finding that, and a CT they're more detailed
- 3:08Speaker 5: and it's kind of a three D really high intensity
- 3:12Speaker 5: X ray, So you'll probably are better off doing that
- 3:14Speaker 5: because it also can tell you a lot more information
- 3:17Speaker 5: if you have to go.
- 3:18Speaker 3: Back into surgery.
- 3:19Speaker 5: So yeah, sometimes cts and MRIs are the best way.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Okay, Nicole, thank you, Okay, bye, there you go.
- 3:26Speaker 6: All right, let's let's go too.
- 3:30Speaker 2: Courtney is here.
- 3:31Speaker 1: Hello Courtney, Hi, Hi, where are you calling from.
- 3:37Speaker 8: I'm in West Valley.
- 3:38Speaker 2: And you've got a dog. What's the dog's name?
- 3:42Speaker 8: Okay, Mazy. She's our English bulldog.
- 3:45Speaker 2: Okay.
- 3:46Speaker 8: She has started a few months ago. She has a
- 3:49Speaker 8: skin issue. I know there it's common for them to
- 3:52Speaker 8: have skin issues. But we've tried everything, switched your food, creams, vitamins,
- 3:57Speaker 8: all sorts of things. So we're looking at trying a
- 4:02Speaker 8: or taken or want to do like an allergy test.
- 4:04Speaker 9: Are those worth it?
- 4:07Speaker 8: I've kind of heard that they aren't very trustworthy.
- 4:11Speaker 5: Yeah, the for dogs like that with skin issues, they
- 4:16Speaker 5: can be really frustrating to deal with and manage, for sure, And.
- 4:20Speaker 3: I do hear that a lot.
- 4:22Speaker 5: Is you know, I've tried everything, and there's always different
- 4:25Speaker 5: ways to go about that.
- 4:26Speaker 3: But with allergy.
- 4:28Speaker 5: Testing, and there's two kinds of testing. You can do
- 4:30Speaker 5: blood testing or what's called intradermal testing, and the blood
- 4:34Speaker 5: testing we find it's not super accurate, so personally I
- 4:38Speaker 5: don't do a lot of it. The intradermal testing can
- 4:41Speaker 5: be helpful because we can try to target whatever the
- 4:45Speaker 5: dog's reacting to and do allergy therapy for that the
- 4:50Speaker 5: pros are you get.
- 4:52Speaker 3: Hopefully a definitive answer.
- 4:53Speaker 5: But some dogs can be allergic to like twenty different
- 4:56Speaker 5: things which can be difficult, and then allergy therapy and
- 5:00Speaker 5: take literally sometimes years to get the full benefits of that,
- 5:04Speaker 5: and you have to be really consistent.
- 5:05Speaker 3: So not that it's wrong, it's just a long path.
- 5:08Speaker 5: And in the meantime you're still having to treat the
- 5:11Speaker 5: skin with the common things we'd be treating with.
- 5:13Speaker 3: So yeah, not saying not to do it.
- 5:16Speaker 5: But it's it doesn't mean you get your you win
- 5:20Speaker 5: right away.
- 5:20Speaker 3: It's still a journey with skin.
- 5:22Speaker 2: All right. It's not a great answer. It's not a
- 5:27Speaker 2: great answer.
- 5:28Speaker 5: Skin is never easy, especially in those breeds. Skin is
- 5:31Speaker 5: really tough in those Yes.
- 5:33Speaker 6: Thanks, thanks, thanks, Thanks Gordon.
- 5:39Speaker 1: All Right, let's go with a guinea pig question for
- 5:42Speaker 1: doctor Josh Davis. Easier to answer questions about your puppies
- 5:46Speaker 1: and gideas and in this case, your guinea pig. Who
- 5:49Speaker 1: do we have here, Bradley, Hi, Bradley, what's your guinea pig?
- 5:53Speaker 1: What's your guinea pig's name?
- 5:55Speaker 10: We have two guinea pigs. They're named Entropy and Inertia.
- 5:59Speaker 2: Of course, Okay, what's your question.
- 6:03Speaker 10: So our guinea pigs are six years old and four
- 6:06Speaker 10: years old, so one of them is getting up there,
- 6:09Speaker 10: and we're worried about getting a second guinea pig when
- 6:12Speaker 10: the first one dies, because they have to they might
- 6:14Speaker 10: not like each.
- 6:15Speaker 2: Other well getting another one.
- 6:16Speaker 10: I want to getting advice, Yeah.
- 6:19Speaker 5: Yeah, I think general advice. I mean introducing cats, dogs,
- 6:24Speaker 5: guinea pigs. I think you have to be really careful
- 6:26Speaker 5: and take it really slow, because especially when you have
- 6:28Speaker 5: an older one, and if you get a younger one,
- 6:31Speaker 5: they're they're often at different life stages that way, and
- 6:34Speaker 5: so tolerating each other can be difficult, and so I
- 6:38Speaker 5: always recommend just slow introduction, so nothing unsupervised really initially,
- 6:44Speaker 5: and since they're guinea pigs, you could probably have them
- 6:46Speaker 5: housed where they can see each other but can have
- 6:48Speaker 5: any contact, and then kind of slowly ease your way
- 6:51Speaker 5: into it and just taking it really easy. That way,
- 6:54Speaker 5: you can really monitor is this going to work and
- 6:57Speaker 5: do it safely, because they can cause pretty good injuries
- 7:01Speaker 5: to each other if they get in those fights and
- 7:03Speaker 5: roll up into the balls and just start tussling that way.
- 7:05Speaker 1: If you I mean, I mean, if there's gonna be
- 7:07Speaker 1: a problem. You'll know it right away. The guinea pigs
- 7:10Speaker 1: get they get yeah, they can get.
- 7:12Speaker 5: Very both fired up and they get very voltal, squeaking
- 7:15Speaker 5: and carrying on. So I think just take it super
- 7:18Speaker 5: slow and small chunks when you do start letting them
- 7:21Speaker 5: be together. But I would never unsupervised until you're really
- 7:24Speaker 5: confident about that.
- 7:25Speaker 1: So if you get so the older guinea pig's name
- 7:28Speaker 1: is what the older one?
- 7:30Speaker 10: The older one is entropy, entropy.
- 7:32Speaker 1: So so if you get a new another guinea pig,
- 7:35Speaker 1: if assuming it's entropy, that goes, what will you what
- 7:39Speaker 1: will you name it? You've got to inertia.
- 7:43Speaker 10: Oh, I think entropy is a top runner, of.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Course, I think the yeah, all right, might as well.
- 7:51Speaker 1: All right, thank you?
- 7:55Speaker 6: Of course that's its name science nerd.
- 7:58Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
- 7:58Speaker 6: I don't like it for a dog, you know, it's
- 8:01Speaker 6: the same thing. Maddie, Hi, Hi, where are you?
- 8:07Speaker 2: Where are you calling from?
- 8:10Speaker 9: I'm calling from Salt Lake City? And you have my
- 8:13Speaker 9: dog Nico. I have a Tavleski. He looks a lot
- 8:18Speaker 9: like Benji, and he's gained a little weight. I have
- 8:23Speaker 9: we all over the holidays. Yes, but he's he's the
- 8:27Speaker 9: goodest boy, and he gets treats for being goodest boy,
- 8:30Speaker 9: you know, but jes what are what are some advice
- 8:34Speaker 9: for treat good treat options and walks just to kind
- 8:38Speaker 9: of go from twenty five pounds to twenty three pounds
- 8:42Speaker 9: for little Nico.
- 8:43Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 8:44Speaker 5: Yeah, the weight management that that is one of the
- 8:47Speaker 5: biggest struggles for a lot of dogs out there, and
- 8:50Speaker 5: just maintaining a good weight. So, uh, there's kind of
- 8:53Speaker 5: two halves of that. One is exercise, which usually for
- 8:57Speaker 5: dogs isn't the main problem. But I would be exercising
- 9:01Speaker 5: as much as you can together, just making sure you're
- 9:04Speaker 5: doing that well.
- 9:06Speaker 3: And then from.
- 9:06Speaker 5: The calorie side, that's that's almost always the problem.
- 9:10Speaker 3: Is just too much calories in.
- 9:12Speaker 2: But he's a good boy, he is a good.
- 9:16Speaker 5: Treats in and of themselves aren't bad. But when you
- 9:19Speaker 5: think about small dogs like that, even you know, a
- 9:22Speaker 5: little milkbone here and there throughout the day, that that
- 9:24Speaker 5: is like a whole other meal. And if that's consistent,
- 9:27Speaker 5: you know, instead of eating the right amount, it's just
- 9:29Speaker 5: every day it's more and more and more. So to
- 9:32Speaker 5: be really careful, you know, you can do veggie treats
- 9:35Speaker 5: like baby carrots, green beans, things like that. Those can
- 9:38Speaker 5: be safe as long as the dog tolerates them. But
- 9:41Speaker 5: also using your daily allowance of kibble, pull some out
- 9:45Speaker 5: of that and use those as the treats, and that
- 9:47Speaker 5: way you still get the same amount of food per day.
- 9:49Speaker 3: You're just breaking up how you're doing it. So those
- 9:51Speaker 3: are simple places to start.
- 9:53Speaker 5: And then if it's still being a struggle, also we
- 9:56Speaker 5: would want to rule out any medical issues, because there
- 9:59Speaker 5: are some metabal diseases that can make that more difficult.
- 10:01Speaker 3: But I'll just start with calorie control and exercise.
- 10:05Speaker 1: You know, I And if I chime in here for
- 10:07Speaker 1: the exercise, get one of them pelotons, one of them pelotons.
- 10:11Speaker 3: Do.
- 10:12Speaker 1: Get one of them, you know, and have them, have
- 10:15Speaker 1: them do that. They I think they have trainers for them,
- 10:19Speaker 1: the treadmills.
- 10:20Speaker 6: Some people have a little video people.
- 10:27Speaker 9: The dog.
- 10:29Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
- 10:31Speaker 6: All right, let's go to Karen. Hello, Karen, Hi.
- 10:36Speaker 1: Hi, what's your where are you calling from? By the way,
- 10:38Speaker 1: Karen is like okay, and you have a cat and
- 10:43Speaker 1: a bunny and what are their names?
- 10:45Speaker 2: What's the cat's name?
- 10:47Speaker 1: Uh?
- 10:48Speaker 8: The cat name is Sandwich and a bunnies Okay, what
- 10:53Speaker 8: are the.
- 10:57Speaker 10: Nina and Dian.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Okay, what's the problem here.
- 11:03Speaker 7: Well, Sandwich doesn't really like the bunnies, and so she
- 11:06Speaker 7: kind of antagonizes them, like if they get near her,
- 11:09Speaker 7: feel bad at them.
- 11:09Speaker 1: And then sometimes you'll like, I don't know if.
- 11:12Speaker 7: She's trying to play or she's.
- 11:13Speaker 8: Just being mean and bullying them. But overall, I just
- 11:17Speaker 8: would like her to stop bothering them. I don't need
- 11:19Speaker 8: them to be friends.
- 11:19Speaker 1: I just don't want them to do that.
- 11:23Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's an interesting dynamic. You know, a lot
- 11:26Speaker 5: of times it's cat versus cat that's the problem. But
- 11:29Speaker 5: you know, and bunnies are I mean, they're great pets.
- 11:32Speaker 5: They're great around the house. You can litter box, train,
- 11:33Speaker 5: and you can do all sorts of stuff with them.
- 11:34Speaker 5: But for the cat, I mean, I definitely would want
- 11:37Speaker 5: to make sure the cat is as safe of.
- 11:40Speaker 3: Environment for itself as possible.
- 11:42Speaker 5: So I think plenty of high rise things to get
- 11:45Speaker 5: up and out of the way. Utilizing things like the
- 11:48Speaker 5: feline pheromones can be helpful for calming for the cat.
- 11:52Speaker 5: Lots of enrichment, lots of play, and just places to
- 11:55Speaker 5: be safe, you know, just in case the rabbits do
- 11:58Speaker 5: bother them, and then I guess being careful about just
- 12:01Speaker 5: unsupervised you know, free access to each other if if,
- 12:05Speaker 5: because we don't want anyone to get injured, and rabbits
- 12:07Speaker 5: can you know, they have those pretty sharp back claws
- 12:10Speaker 5: and they can kick pretty hard.
- 12:11Speaker 2: They have nasty tempers.
- 12:12Speaker 5: Yeah, we just don't want anyone get hurt that way,
- 12:14Speaker 5: But in general, we want the cat to have as
- 12:16Speaker 5: much environment and as much space as possible.
- 12:19Speaker 2: That way.
- 12:19Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, oh bunnies, they're so cute and sweet bunnies.
- 12:23Speaker 2: I've had there. They can they can be tough, all right,
- 12:29Speaker 2: So yeah, just try and do all of that. Karenespect
- 12:32Speaker 2: you can thank you all right?
- 12:34Speaker 9: All right?
- 12:35Speaker 6: Uh my grand kitty is having kidney problems. How do
- 12:39Speaker 6: you convince a cat to drink more water?
- 12:43Speaker 4: You can lead a cat to water, but you can't
- 12:46Speaker 4: is there anything you can do to get them to.
- 12:48Speaker 5: Most cats would really prefer moving water. That's why they
- 12:53Speaker 5: like to jump up on your sink or this or that.
- 12:55Speaker 5: So get fountains with moving water and make sure I
- 12:59Speaker 5: recommend like not tap water because it can smell with
- 13:02Speaker 5: you know what's in it. Either doing distilled or like
- 13:05Speaker 5: the Brita Pitcher filtered water.
- 13:07Speaker 3: But moving fountains is a.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Have a bubbling fountain, little bubbling fountain thing, and the
- 13:12Speaker 1: cat is always they love moving water, and it's got
- 13:15Speaker 1: a filter in it so that it removes any kind
- 13:18Speaker 1: of smell.
- 13:20Speaker 5: And do wet food. Wet food is also a great
- 13:23Speaker 5: way to get water into them.
- 13:25Speaker 6: Tiffany from West Jordan. I found a kitten that had
- 13:27Speaker 6: likely been dumped around this time last month that said
- 13:31Speaker 6: she was about four weeks at the time. He's seven
- 13:34Speaker 6: to eight weeks now and has gotten rather chunky, and
- 13:37Speaker 6: we'll eat just about anything, including senior cat food, and
- 13:41Speaker 6: that was left out for the other cats. Should I
- 13:43Speaker 6: be concerned that he's a little chunky and also that
- 13:46Speaker 6: he's eating senior food.
- 13:49Speaker 5: The senior food thing, I mean, it's not perfect, but
- 13:51Speaker 5: it's probably okay. The chunky thing one thing I would
- 13:56Speaker 5: watch out for, and this happened. We actually had one
- 13:59Speaker 5: of the listeners brought and forecats four kittens that they
- 14:01Speaker 5: found and they all had worms. So when they have worms,
- 14:05Speaker 5: they can be kind of a bloated appearance as well,
- 14:07Speaker 5: So I would probably get a fecal exam doa on
- 14:11Speaker 5: de worming and vaccines.
- 14:13Speaker 3: You're at the age to start vaccines now.
- 14:14Speaker 2: That really helped me. Yeah when I when I got dewormed.
- 14:17Speaker 3: You don't want the worms. It's a bad time. It
- 14:20Speaker 3: was a lot better.
- 14:21Speaker 6: Okay, let's go to Lacey.
- 14:23Speaker 2: Hello, Lacey, hy you see where are you calling from?
- 14:25Speaker 2: Where are you calling from?
- 14:27Speaker 8: Park City?
- 14:28Speaker 2: And do you have a kitty? What's the cat's name?
- 14:31Speaker 1: His name is Lord twinkieeity, Yeah, okay, yeah, go ahead.
- 14:38Speaker 7: What's I'm calling? Because so he's an orange cat and
- 14:42Speaker 7: I was told that they get gum health issues and
- 14:45Speaker 7: that they just are always kind of like scoriated and bread.
- 14:48Speaker 7: And I'm just curious should he be only eating wet
- 14:51Speaker 7: food or only dry food, or what's the best thing
- 14:53Speaker 7: for his gum health.
- 14:55Speaker 5: So the question with the gum health is, so I
- 14:59Speaker 5: do agree. I think orange cats because I have an
- 15:02Speaker 5: orange cat too, and they can be more prone to gingivitis,
- 15:05Speaker 5: and there's a lot of factors for that. But also
- 15:08Speaker 5: there is a specific disease, kind of complex, it's feline stomatitis,
- 15:15Speaker 5: and that that particular disease doesn't care about what kind
- 15:20Speaker 5: of food or anything. It's going to happen. If it's
- 15:22Speaker 5: going to happen, so I think that i'd want to
- 15:25Speaker 5: try to determine if that's the case or if it's
- 15:28Speaker 5: just gingervitis and dental disease, which you know, the dry
- 15:32Speaker 5: foods can be a little slower to accumulate that, but
- 15:34Speaker 5: also everyone that's healthy, it is a good idea to
- 15:38Speaker 5: get an actual under anesthesia teeth cleaning on an annual
- 15:41Speaker 5: basis because gingervitis comes from plaque and removing that and
- 15:46Speaker 5: keeping that off makes a big difference for them too.
- 15:48Speaker 2: There you go.
- 15:49Speaker 6: Okay, let's go to Rebecca closet things out for us.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Rebecca, I Rebecca, what's your dogs are owed in?
- 16:01Speaker 7: He is a blue Healer border Collie laughing.
- 16:03Speaker 2: Oh okay, and which question?
- 16:08Speaker 7: So he randomly gets what I think are hiccups. But
- 16:12Speaker 7: they're not like even like human hiccups are. I'm just I'm.
- 16:17Speaker 8: Worried about It's like, I know, like stomachs can flip
- 16:21Speaker 8: and things like that, but I have an ableman's able
- 16:23Speaker 8: to reproduce it for the vat.
- 16:25Speaker 3: Oh, come on, hiccup.
- 16:28Speaker 5: One thing if you can do it is try to
- 16:30Speaker 5: capture a video recording of it on your phone. That
- 16:33Speaker 5: can be super helpful dogs. That one thing that can
- 16:36Speaker 5: cause that. I mean there's more than one, but especially
- 16:39Speaker 5: around meal time. If they're really fast eaters and gulp
- 16:43Speaker 5: a lot of air when they're eating, sometimes that can
- 16:45Speaker 5: cause a little bit of bloat and discomfort and they
- 16:47Speaker 5: can hiccup in those situations. I'd say it generally doesn't
- 16:51Speaker 5: hurt them, but it's something to keep an eye on
- 16:54Speaker 5: with the feeding part of things. And and then just
- 16:58Speaker 5: you know, see if that makes a difference sometimes softening
- 17:00Speaker 5: their kibble.
- 17:01Speaker 3: And helping him eet slower.
- 17:03Speaker 5: There's ways to try and work around it, but it
- 17:05Speaker 5: usually doesn't hurt them at the same time.
- 17:07Speaker 9: Okay, okay, I just was worried about.
- 17:11Speaker 5: Yeah, and if that happens, that is way different story.
- 17:14Speaker 5: And that's you know, that's an emergency when that happens.
- 17:16Speaker 5: But they'll be very sick, usually vomiting and lethargic and
- 17:20Speaker 5: and pain, so they usually tell you about that.
- 17:23Speaker 6: All right, Okay, thanks for Bacca, thank you, bye bye
- 17:26Speaker 6: bye bye. Well there you go, closing things out with
- 17:29Speaker 6: a dog hiccup.
- 17:30Speaker 2: Doctor Josh Davis.
- 17:32Speaker 1: He is the owner operator the head vet at Trilogy
- 17:38Speaker 1: Veterinary Medicine Hospital.
- 17:41Speaker 3: Yes, close enough. Yeah, we'll take it.
- 17:43Speaker 4: Oh no, doctor Davis, don't let him get away with that.
- 17:46Speaker 4: Want people go to Trilogy vetsandy dot com.
- 17:49Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, come see us.
- 17:51Speaker 5: We're we're really loving it and loving the clients, So
- 17:54Speaker 5: come see us.
- 17:54Speaker 2: All right, thank you, doc, all right later