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Teofimo Turns Down Haney 11 Mill Offer!? -Recap Caleb Plant Upset! What's Next Charlo? Keyshawn Davis! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what up, boxing fans. This is the rope of
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  Speaker 1: the Dove Radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson.
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  Speaker 1: We are live on a Tuesday night. Did you hear
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  Speaker 1: me how I said Tuesday? You can tell I just
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  Speaker 1: woke up from a nap, you know those naps that
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I'm just gonna just gonna I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: rest my eyes. So I just need like fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: twenty minute two hours just like that, just so so
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  Speaker 1: bear with me. But I did say last week that
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna make a Tuesday Night, and I damn
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  Speaker 1: I almost slept right through it. Anyway, we will do
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  Speaker 1: some recap. We had an upset, a very sizeable upset
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  Speaker 1: of Caleb Plant. Uh resund these man great performance. I
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  Speaker 1: did underestimate them. A lot of podcasts and media members,
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  Speaker 1: whether full or part time, will not own up to
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  Speaker 1: stuff right, always make excuses and all that. And sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I always say there's excuses, there's reasons. Sometimes it's right
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  Speaker 1: in between that when it comes to like fighters and
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  Speaker 1: fights and outcomes and all that. But I was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I thought were Sunday's was very solid, but I did
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  Speaker 1: not think he would be Caleb Plant. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was just a solid showcase fight to get him to
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  Speaker 1: the next fight. That's what it appeared to be. That
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the case. That wasn't the case. Turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be a very good fight, and that was a very
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  Speaker 1: good fight. Then you start to look and you go, damn,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I like that the young ins got tests
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  Speaker 1: on paper turned out to not be tests, but that's
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  Speaker 1: because they overachieved or really showed what they're worth. On
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  Speaker 1: the undercard, it was a pretty damn good card. Charlo's
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  Speaker 1: jab looked really great. I'm actually glad he went more
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  Speaker 1: rounds than some people thought he would. So, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was nice seeing a Charlo back. I will say that
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  Speaker 1: Mal Charlow that that was fun to see, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk about some other items. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me from the weekend. You know, we had a
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  Speaker 1: really good back, had a really good fight with Folden
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  Speaker 1: that was a very good fight as well on that
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  Speaker 1: Golden Boy to his own card, so we'll talk about that. Then.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we do have cards coming up this weekend
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  Speaker 1: on ESPN Slash, ESPN Plus in the Zone. We got
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  Speaker 1: a heavyweight fight which I'm looking forward to, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Keishan Davis is back. He's fighting an opponent that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't like to watch. But I still
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  Speaker 1: think he's a solid opponent, and I still think this
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  Speaker 1: time in his career, it's still a quality opponent and
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  Speaker 1: it is one of those measuring sticks. How did you
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  Speaker 1: look against them? Okay, when he did this? What did
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  Speaker 1: you do? You know? So I'm actually looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: There are some good fights, you know, after this week though.
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  Speaker 1: I was just looking back at the schedule and it
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  Speaker 1: does drop off until July, which is kind of a bummer,
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  Speaker 1: but not that there's any you know, nothing, because there
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  Speaker 1: is there's some good especially maybe some undercard fights that
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  Speaker 1: you maybe would like more than the main event. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it falls off, you know, but either way, we will,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, preview and and talk our way through
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  Speaker 1: and I say we usually we meaning us listening to
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  Speaker 1: this right us boxing fans. But John is going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to join us. I'm gonna get him on
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  Speaker 1: here really quick, like, and we do have some fight news,
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  Speaker 1: a little boxing Twitter stuff per usual. But tail female
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  Speaker 1: Lopez say it ain't so really now, I did think
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  Speaker 1: Boots should have taken that fight, that said, I think
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  Speaker 1: I know I should say on both of those that
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  Speaker 1: tale Fema Lopez. You know, it's out of his mouth
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  Speaker 1: for the eleven mil so, he had eleven mils sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the table to fight Devin Hamy, and he's willing
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  Speaker 1: to fight at forty seven for Boots. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: It's lineal, but still you're willing to fight him at
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  Speaker 1: forty seven. I don't know, man, there was a catchwaiting Bulbs.
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  Speaker 1: They seem to agreed on certain terms. It was just
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  Speaker 1: about signing the contract, and here we go again with
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  Speaker 1: this fucking public negotiations. Dude, they don't fucking work, Dude,
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  Speaker 1: they really don't. Maybe after a failed negotiation they end
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  Speaker 1: up working like Spence Crawford. It just if this is
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  Speaker 1: like this right now and Tail doesn't take this fight,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a big you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a guy that likes to be like older
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  Speaker 1: Dunk and he's Dunk and he's afraid he's this, He's that.
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  Speaker 1: Every I'm not just Tail. I'm saying everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times it just comes down
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  Speaker 1: to the business. But I I need some explain it.
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  Speaker 1: I need to hear some reasoning on this one, like
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  Speaker 1: you should have, you know, had a press conference or
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  Speaker 1: something like something's going on to where you can't fight
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know, man, It's it's
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  Speaker 1: fucking crazy, man. I'm a fight from a one to
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  Speaker 1: twenty six pounder going up to one thirty sounds like
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  Speaker 1: it's a done deal and it's a phenomenal fight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what will just kind of look like, where does Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Plant go from here? Is there a rematch? Is it
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  Speaker 1: Charlo and Riscendez? Do they go Charlo and try to
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know where they go.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting though. Like I said, it was
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  Speaker 1: nice to have a Charlo back before we get it going. Though.
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  Speaker 1: gonna get John in here in just a half a second.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't we go over that beck uh fulghum fight.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good fight. That was a good fight.
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  Speaker 1: I gave Folden the first round. You know, not a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot happened there. I thought Darius maybe landed the
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  Speaker 1: better shots. It was pretty slow. But then Beck Melo
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  Speaker 1: kauz Zuez Melo kazu zee Zee. I thought he went
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  Speaker 1: on a little two round two, three and four. His
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  Speaker 1: left hand was landing to the head and body. That
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  Speaker 1: left hook to the head was landed, but either straight
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  Speaker 1: or left, you know, straight left or left hooks, and
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  Speaker 1: then he was adding a little bit of movement in there.
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  Speaker 1: So I had him up three to one after full four.
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  Speaker 1: The fifth round, although early and late Beck did some
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  Speaker 1: nice work, I thought the overall better lands were full
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  Speaker 1: of them. Sixth round, two way round. Man, that was
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  Speaker 1: really really close. I could have went either way. Now
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  Speaker 1: I saw I believe the judges scored nine to nine.
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  Speaker 1: So where was this fight? I should look really quick
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  Speaker 1: because I thought it was a ten point must system
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  Speaker 1: because there was a beck uh. Beck was penalized for
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  Speaker 1: holding in the seventh round, and I could have sworn.
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  Speaker 1: I saw someone say that was it was nine nine rounds,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought Beck won the round. But there was
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  Speaker 1: a penalty. So in a in a ten point must system,
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  Speaker 1: that's usually not necessarily nine to nine. That's ten to nine,
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  Speaker 1: even though it seems weird at home though, that's nine
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  Speaker 1: to nine. Let's see here. I did think Beck kind
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  Speaker 1: of got it going a little bit in the in
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  Speaker 1: the eighth his jab in left hands. The ninth I
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  Speaker 1: gave to Folgum. Uh, there was a late you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a late shot in Actually in that eighth
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  Speaker 1: round he stumbled Folgum like fairly. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty big. The ninth and well, say, the ninth I
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  Speaker 1: gave the folgum. The tenth I gave to Beck. Very close.
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  Speaker 1: Eleventh round. I gave the folgum and then a left hand.
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  Speaker 1: It was the right to the body and a left
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  Speaker 1: hand up top fairly early in the twelve drop Folgum.
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  Speaker 1: Beck won that round ten to eight. I mean it
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  Speaker 1: was really close. I think it was basically one fifteen
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  Speaker 1: one thirteen, but one fourteen one twelve because of how
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  Speaker 1: that worked out with both both of them getting a
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  Speaker 1: point deducted. So very competitive. I did that Beck winning,
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  Speaker 1: but it was close. It was very close. If they
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  Speaker 1: ran it back, I wouldn't be mad. They're both pretty young,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe they won't necessarily run it back. Maybe they
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  Speaker 1: run it back, you know, in due time. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you could say. My guess is they're going to move back.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna move them up, and not to say I
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  Speaker 1: think Vulgan was like, you know, have them take a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of steps back or anything. But but I could
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  Speaker 1: see them not running it right back, is my point.
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  Speaker 1: So very good fight. I just text John here, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll get them in the fold. Let's see the Lucero
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: and Velenzuela fight. I was looking forward to this fight,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had Lucero for sure, but I did
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  Speaker 1: think that it would be that the fight would last
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  Speaker 1: longer at least, you know, I thought it'd be. It
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  Speaker 1: was not that it wasn't competitive, because there was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that. The I mean, the first round
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  Speaker 1: was very entertained. These dudes came to bang Lucera with
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  Speaker 1: his jab and one two's Velenzuela with the hooks to
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  Speaker 1: the body and head. Like I said, very entertaining first round.
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  Speaker 1: You knew they meant business on paper. It seemed that
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  Speaker 1: way too. Really early and kind of in the second
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  Speaker 1: half of the of the second round, it was two
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  Speaker 1: way dude just banging on the inside. A flush right
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  Speaker 1: hook landed perfectly, knocked them down and right as the
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  Speaker 1: round was ending, they they stopped it. And I did
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  Speaker 1: kind of think it was early, that said Lucero. You know,
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  Speaker 1: what he was landing compared to Vellensuilla in a short period.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously I kind of favored his work anyway, but I
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  Speaker 1: did think it was a little early right at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the Okay, here's I see John. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get him involved. Here. You should be
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: popping up here any second. There we go. Hey, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on, John? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Chris? How are you tonight? Not bad?
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  Speaker 1: Not bad man, Just it's funny. I actually, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: got stuff done right. And then I did the old
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rest my eyes, you know for just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and all of a sudden way beat
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  Speaker 1: like I should have said an alarm type nap, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it went way further than planned, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh shit, I gotta oh my god, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to get some caffeine in me. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a late night. I'll probably have to
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  Speaker 1: read late at night to make me tired or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. But uh, but it's good to have you
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  Speaker 1: back on the show. How you doing.
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 1: Good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I know what you mean. I almost
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  Speaker 2: had one of those after lunch today. But I remember
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: reading some Navy seal stuff in recent years, and they
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  Speaker 2: said they have no problems with taking naps, but even
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  Speaker 2: if it's five minutes, they set them. They set the
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  Speaker 2: alarm for the exact reason you're describing, so kind of
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  Speaker 2: kind of works. I've started doing that because because you
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  Speaker 2: never know.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and you know, like a good area as
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: long as it's not too long. You know, once you
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: get too long in your nap, then it starts to
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  Speaker 1: make it kind of faded. But man, a good just
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: shut your eye, rest your eye nap. It really does
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  Speaker 1: kind of rejuvenates you for the rest of the day
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  Speaker 1: or night or whatever it is. I definitely, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some people hate him. They just it just makes them
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  Speaker 1: tired and they can't you know, they just want to
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  Speaker 1: sleep that for that, But yeah, I've kind of always
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  Speaker 1: done that throughout my life. So we obviously are coming
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  Speaker 1: off a weekend where we had a pretty good fight
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  Speaker 1: on Friday night, the main event on the Zone, we
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  Speaker 1: had an upset of Caleb Plant. Some young guys look
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. On the undercard on the PBC, we had
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  Speaker 1: Charlo Charlo back. We'll see where it goes from here. Obviously,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you can't you can only take so much out of
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  Speaker 1: you know, given the opponent, I did like what I
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  Speaker 1: saw of his jab. I kind of missed his jab
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  Speaker 1: because he's got such a good job when he uses it.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll start, well, why don't we start on the
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  Speaker 1: PBC side of it, just because there was a pretty
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  Speaker 1: damn big upset that I really looked at it, like
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  Speaker 1: Rescendas is a good fighter or whatever. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was like just a good showcase, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: get to the Charlot fight. That's the way I looked
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  Speaker 1: at it going in. I didn't really give Rassinda's a
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  Speaker 1: big chance to win. I also, even in the prediction
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  Speaker 1: segment on the show and the little write up that
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  Speaker 1: I do, you know, clearly Plants not in his prime anymore.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of knew that going in. But the combination
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  Speaker 1: of the style, the body shots, those overhand rights that
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  Speaker 1: were just landing well at times, he maybe plan banged
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  Speaker 1: it out a little too much and wasn't moving. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, those body shots that really affected them.
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  Speaker 1: What did you see take place in that upset? Because
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  Speaker 1: like I said, on paper, it wasn't really supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be all that, you know, two way the whole time
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  Speaker 1: type thing, and and clearly they were trying to set
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  Speaker 1: this thing up for Plant and Charlow to fight later
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  Speaker 1: this year. What did you see in the main event?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first, let's be clear, Plant was the biggest favorite
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  Speaker 2: on the card at about minus twelve hundred going in,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, nobody was calling for the upset. I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really even like the matchups on this card
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  Speaker 2: much going in. And you know, the problem that you
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  Speaker 2: did get a huge upset by the odds. But the problem,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: like you know I've said before, is you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're making these cards, and yeah, you get an upset
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  Speaker 2: once in a while. Well, but when you have favorites
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  Speaker 2: that are as big as they were on this card,
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  Speaker 2: you can't call really when it's going to happen. You know,
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  Speaker 2: nobody really realistically can. So I'm gonna you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: making a precursor to say, obviously there's some hindsight here,
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  Speaker 2: But in hindsight, I feel more confident as to what
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  Speaker 2: happened to Plant that I see a lot of other
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  Speaker 2: people or you know, I necessarily agree with the theory.
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  Speaker 2: I think what it is is, you know, Plant was
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're getting PBC nostalgia here where you had
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  Speaker 2: guys who were fighting on undercards when it first started out,
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  Speaker 2: you know in twenty fifteen, like Caleb Plant, Gervonte Davis,
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  Speaker 2: and then guys who were headliners but really built their
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: names bigger, like Jamal Charloe who was fighting. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is arguably where PBC had some success with their
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: mission because ten years later, these are still the guys
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about. So why I'm mentioning that is Lant
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  Speaker 2: had the exposure. Uh and I saw it all all
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  Speaker 2: along the way, And what I always felt about him was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, real, real good. Defensively kind of underrated with
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  Speaker 2: his power on the left hook, but that wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: his style. He was. He was a pure boxer in
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: terms of style. But here's what I'm getting to, which
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  Speaker 2: ties into what we saw Saturday night. He was always
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  Speaker 2: a pure speed and reflex guy. And you know that's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like not saying he's on that level of ability,
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  Speaker 2: but I think this is like comparable to like when
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  Speaker 2: Roy Jones started slipping and getting knocked out.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he relied on.
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  Speaker 2: Right when you get when you get a guy who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have classic fundamentals and you know, with Mike Tyson,
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  Speaker 2: it was different, and Tyson still was effective against a
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  Speaker 2: lot to people, even after doing the print prison stint.
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  Speaker 2: But as I've said before, I always learned a lot
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  Speaker 2: from Emmanuel Stewart, and he had said, you know, after
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  Speaker 2: Tyson got stopped by Douglas, look, even though this guy's
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  Speaker 2: only in his twenties, you know, he's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: an explosive force reflexes speed. He may very well not
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: be the same already. And you know, I think that
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  Speaker 2: was the case. So there's certain fighters like that. I
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  Speaker 2: think Plant definitely fits into that mold. And let's say,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: let's say if we can go you know, really after
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the Canelo fight, and even though he got stopped, I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: not focusing so much on him taking a beating, but
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you know he had he had the big ko over Durrell.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like you said about the banging and
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  Speaker 2: out Christ, you know, then he's fighting. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: stopped the guy like McCombe, and he's kind of banging
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: out with about mccumby. Wasn't that good?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: So hurt more than once in the fight, right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He was not elusive. You know. Benavitez is a very
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: good fighter, but he was not elusive against Benavidez. You know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he almost got stopped. He was taking a lot of
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: shots and really we probably got fooled by that McCombe
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: or you know, people were putting too much into that
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: McCombe fight. I mean, what really is mccumbe at a record?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: He never beat anybody.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Like that. Mccombe's better, right, I.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Think people put too much into that. And if you
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: really look at really Plant, yeah, because and you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: we know Benavidez is real good, but but Plant was
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: really I mean he barely hung on to go the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: distance that fight, right, And I can see people were
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: making the argument, well, he took a beating in Benavidez
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and that sapped a lot out of him. Yeah, that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that is, there's going to be truth to that. But
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I just think it's that it's an early thirties guy
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: who was all speed and reflexes, even though he had
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: a good amateur career, not classic fundamentals like a Roy Jones,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you know, who had a great amateur career. You know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: olympian got robbed of getting a gold medal in the Olympics.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But still I am on the side of you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Jones didn't have classic technique. You know, you get a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: guy by like Floyd Mayweather, who you know, other more
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: classic boxing skills than he had the longevity because he
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: just wasn't, you know, purely the speed and reflex is
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a little more you know, classic boxing skill technique not
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you know, of course he's different than the rest. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: but but that's that's a difference. But these are like
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a plan at Jones. You can find others that the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: pure speed, speeding reflex guy. You know, you get into
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the early thirties, I mean, unless you're like at heavyweight,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: you know, then then somebody's gonna better carry it a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: little longer. But even look, you know, different era. But
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: even look how much Ali slowed up. You know, he
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: changed to relying on his chin, the rope, a dope,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: hugh stamina. You know, he was not the speed, right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: He wasn't the speedy, elusive guy, you know, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: before he went into exile, I mean, he was. He
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was a speed reflex guy, you know, fighting with the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: hands down and so but Ali had those other attributes
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that he could rely on. And there's only one Ali,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: so you know, and Caleb Plant is not Ali. So uh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, as good as as great as Roy Jones was,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he wasn't either. So I think that's really what happened
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to Plant because you know, Zendez, he's really not that good.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: He's not old, so he you know, he's still in
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: his twenties, so you know, he got maybe still some
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: room to to grow. And of course this was the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: biggest win of his career. But that wasn't really to me.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: In that fight, he wasn't doing anything special. It's just Plant.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: He's not the speed and reflex guy anymore. Like like
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: you look at Plant even though it was lesser opposition
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: earlier in his career. I mean, he was one of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: those guys, you know, he was just standing there with
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the hands down and guys couldn't hit him. Those guys
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: could not hit him, and he was making him look silly,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and he worked his way up like that. You know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that's that's gone. You know, sure the opposition's tougher, we
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: know that, but he's still frustrated. Canelos some you know during.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That yeah yeah, yeah, well against him until you know
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it turned on.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Him and even people who didn't like him kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: agreed on that. Like I feel comfortable saying that was
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the consensus. You know, he did have a good performance
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: there and he was elusive, but now that he's in
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the early thirties, it's just not there. And they they're
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: saying they have a rematch clause or plan is so
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he's telling the truth about that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: This is the thing where things get stalled out because
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you got an upset. But then like, really, I'm gonna say, like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it's not that it's a horrible fight, but do we
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: really want to see it again?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of other stuff we'd
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: rather so that that's the problem, one of the many
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: problems with boxing right now. But this one, I think
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: really with a little bit of hindsight, I feel confident
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that this is has to do with plant style and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: being in the early thirties. He's not a classic fundamental guy,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and you know, he was never a brawler of course
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: either or a power guy. So there's just not much,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: not many tools for him in a toolbox right now.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You did see that against Benavidez looking back to and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and it's just that the mccumby mccomby just wasn't enough
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of an indicator. People looked at baby at his record
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and saying, oh, you know plant, good performance, he's back
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But that that really I don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: think was the case. So I think for him, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be any revival or
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: anything like that. He's not going to get his speed
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and reflexes back now, so you know, he might he
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: might not even do that well in a rematch if
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: they if they, if he wants it, and they go
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: forward with it. So probably in essence, the end of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the line is a factor for him.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's second half of the fight. You know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: There really wasn't many rounds you could give him, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: so like you said, he may not even be able
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to change that around, and if he does, it would
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: be a lot of movement and I don't know, Yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and put it on an undercard or something,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a guy that you know, I mean,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Elijah Garcia way at him, you know, even though Garcia
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: is a puncher, you know, and Garcia has stumbled since.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's just not you know, as we know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: looking at the odds. You know, some people are talking
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: up some Okay, you know there was an upset, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I still I don't think that there was a lot
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: of evidence going in to be you know, feeling that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: confident and brescendez. But yeah, big upset. I think this
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is this is the end of the line for Plant
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: as a factor. And it matters in the PBC context too, because,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: as I was saying, these guys that were built up
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: over the ten years, some of the guys that did
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: become stars relative to the boxing climate we're talking about today,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: now they're getting near the end. You know. Now they're
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: getting near the end. Time goes by, and especially if
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you're speeding reflex guy like a Plant. And really Jervonte
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Davis is too, so he had his first stumble and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the roach draw. That's a different topic.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: But it's right, he's got the power, right, Yeah, he
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: can still pull the power on that, doesn't You're right,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that makes a huge difference because that's the last thing
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: But we have to we have to watch that carefully
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: because you know, it could be the tip of the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: iceberg where he's reaching that too. And it's just it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: been ten years for these guys on the scene, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, some of them are are starting to fade.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what happens in boxing. You and I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: have been watching long enough to where you know, people
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: get depressed about it, but it's like, this is the sport,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: man Like, that's just how it goes. You know, maybe
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you're depressed because you lost a bet or something, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: other than that, like or even you know, your favorite
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: fighter or whatever. I get it. But I'm more sad
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: when I see someone or or down or kind of like, man,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I hope nothing happens when I see someone carrying on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: like a Manny Pacyao, right, you know. Now Barrios, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: know at the weight class, he doesn't necessarily have a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: lot of power. At one forty he was putting people
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on the deck a whole bunch, but he has necessarily
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: shown that. But yeah, I'm more I'm more or seeing
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you know, hoping Tyson nothing happens to him, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: even during camp and stuff like that when he's working out.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: That that's more of the stuff that that freaks me out.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So Rascende is obviously, whether it's a rematch or not,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he rejuvenated his career, which is not even that old really, you.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Know, and that's the one. Good for him. He's not
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that old, right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So maybe he'll get a rematch maybe, And even if
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: he gets a rematch and loses, I think that he's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: now extended his career to be like, Okay, this guy
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: is trying to be a contender. You got to beat
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Riscinda's to do it, you know, kind of that gate
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: gatekeeping mode, you know, at at the at the minimum.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you know, maybe he will get you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: get some more wins. We'll see. But I did like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: what I compared because against Garcia in the early rounds
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he actually did okay, but most people do good against
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Garcia as far as hitting them and stuff like that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But like you said, then it was pretty one sided
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and he stopped him and that didn't really hold up. Now,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you know, now that you're you're a little removed from it,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's that's not necessarily great. But my
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: guess is that that they will have a rematch. But
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where that goes. But that one,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's nothing crazy crazy, I guess, but you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it just seems like there's always one judge that you're like, really,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: so you had this seven to five, huh, four plan.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like now it's not one
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: eighteen one, you know, some kind of crazy. But it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: still like there's no way you'd watch the fight and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: thing plant in the fight, Like seven and five is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like the bare minimum lowest you can go. Otherwise it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: eight four and above. I had an eight to four.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that that that judge. That was a bad scorecard.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: It seems like most people did have it eight to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: four and yeah, and let's remember because a lot of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: people were going crazy about that, there's no logic in
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: corruption for one judge. Okay, yeah, in the vite for
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: one with one judge, So just me a little bit
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: when people don't use logic like that would make no
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: sense to take that risk.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You'd have to pay off two.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: You have to pay enough too, Okay, if you want
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to talk about paying off two with your conspiracy stuff,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least there's some logic to that. You've
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: got to have evidence. But but like, there's no logic
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to one. So when people.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So people are gonna have to put that money in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a bank at some point, right right, so that there's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a follow up there potentially too. You know.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people were like threatening the guy and stuff and
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: what and it's just kind of like, you know, if
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you want to make the argument that in your view,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that's incompetence as a judge, you probably can make that argument,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: because there could be bad judges, like there is everything
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: else in life. But I tend to think on a
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: lot of these things, it's it's just it's boxing subjective,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the way we score, worried, and like I always go
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: on my theory a lot of times. If you if
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you if you're not alternating your close rounds, even if subconscious,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and you you give a run to one guy because
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you're like, well just because it's close, doesn't mean I
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: have to give one round to this guy and one
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: round the next guy. You're you're gonna get some quarters
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: some scores like that. But but like you, you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you point out first, I mean no, but nobody thought
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Plant won the fight. And this was one that a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: lot of people just seem to have like an eight
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to four for you know, Sindez, and so it was,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you know, universally a bad card. And it was strange though,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: as people were pointing out and and you pointed out,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody really felt Plant was doing well late
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in the fight or anything like that, and Sutherland was
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: giving Plant late a late run.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I believe there's like I believe
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: in in in that. What I think it is, John
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: is is partly what you said as far as how
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you score them, you know, but also like kind of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like house judges, so they know so they are gonna skew.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It's not like that was a ten to two card
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to where it's crazy obvious where you're like, what the hell,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like the the Canelo triple g right, like okay, dude,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: this is how could you do that? It's it's impossible,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't even enough tight rounds to do that,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know. But I also think that they're just house
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: judges that they know that's the go to person for
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: styles and stuff like that, right, Either some judges just
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: no matter what comes that the if the if the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: person makes the fight quote unquote makes the fight or
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: throws more punches, they're getting it no matter what the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: hell's happening in the ring, and vice versa. Some people
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like the more stylistic and jab and move and duck it,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: but you know, but you still have to win the fight,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's that's part of it,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and then then I could go with the theory of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the house wants to win, like in Vegas, right the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: how of course Vegas is gonna want to start a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: win obviously, you know, so I think that there's ways
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to do it that way closer than just outright corruption.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's always the money in the bag.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so they just keep the money under
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: their bed, or like what do they do with the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you know, that's where it gets a little like Lucy Goosey.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But either way, obviously, not a whole lot to take
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: out of Charlo's performance as far as who he was facing,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: right of course, But like I said, it is just
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: good for him to get back, get a camp because
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he's been training for a while. Then he got a camp,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and I did like his jab. I've always liked his jab.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: When he's really using it, it's stiff, it's assertive, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it sets up a bunch of stuff, as we know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of a catch twenty two. You really
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: can't look too much into the performance, you know, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it's just nice to have him back and we'll see
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: if it's too is he too long in the teeth
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to really make some noise or is one sixty eight
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: kind of open still in a sense, And that jab
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is gonna be tough to get around. He's got a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: good chin. You know, clearly he hasn't been the same
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: guy power since he moved up from fifty four. But
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: what do you think overall? You know what I mean,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: because they're probably not gonna make the Plant fight. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: guess if Plant wanted to retire, maybe they'd make the rescidence,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: but I highly doubt.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It, you know, Yeah, I mean I've always liked Jamal
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Charlo a lot as a fighter. I mean, you can
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: look back, I've always been high on him. So for me,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I was always high on him, but you know, his
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: his activity had become so sporadic. Uh and and you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: know who he was facing that I I was thinking
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit like, you know, he was a huge
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: favor too, but not as big as a favorite as
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and this is the key, Figures did not have him
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: as big a favor as planned. And I was looking
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: at that too because I just thought with the everything
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and he's thirty five, I thought, you know, maybe if
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: something weird to were to happen, it would be in
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: this fight. But I hate hate saying for hate saying
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: it for a fellow Jersey guy. But I do have
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to agree with what I saw the consensus. I mean,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Lamana just ended up being so bad in the fight,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like it kind of makes it a little tricky to valuate.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But like I'm with you, Chris, Like I followed Jamal
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Charlo closely. He's always been a guy I really really
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: liked a lot, really believe in his ability. Still kind
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of do. Yeah, I liked what he did. His jab
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and his power looked good, but I do see the point,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: like and with Wamana, they're trying to take it away
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: from him. But what's what's just a tiny bit of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a head scratcher? Is I agree? You know, I've seen
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the fights where he stepped up. You know, he's, like
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I said, he's a Jersey guy, showed you get curious
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and had poor performances, but they were kind of taken
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: away from him and unfairly like he he did perform
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: well against Mendoza and that fight was extremely close. You know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: some people were saying, like, well Mendoza maybe, but no,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Mendoza had some good and you
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: know he's got some pop and Lomana, you know, there
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: was a case to be made for him in that fight.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I did see that from that was a PBC fight
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: televised and like so you know, I was kepting that
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: in the back of my mind and thought like, well
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: know if he if he fights like that, and you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Charlo just got all kinds of rust. But you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Lamana was just bad in there, like like he was
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: just he was making movements and things that were leading
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to nothing, Like he wasn't throwing any punches and making
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: all these movements, and you know, I could see the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: criticisms like where his performance was so poor that it
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: left you thinking a little bit like well, what can
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: we take from this out of what Charlo's done? But
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Charlo's power looked good, yeah, legitimately, And I have faith
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: in his power too. I think that he you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: he's a good He is a good puncher. I mean,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you know, his brother had that run. His brother was
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: originally the non puncher, you know, Jamel. I always liked
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Jermal better as a puncher. I mean, everybody did, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: think at one point, but I still did. I just
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: still think that, you know, they're twin brothers, but you
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: can't help sometimes to look at both of them and compare.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I always thought that either, Yeah, I just I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: people get lost in that. It's not I always you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: it means that you're going to gain respect.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Right, I always, you know, felt Jamal was the better
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: puncher and still a good puncher, and like you said,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you know both Charlo is that the chins are underrated.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: These guys with their level of opposition, yeah, have shown
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: good chins. I think what people need to look at too,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: is like when we're talking about these guys, even like
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you know Ricendez and you know that Charlo being back
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: of course different levels of fighters, but like we're talking
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: about one hundred and sixty eight pounds. I think with
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the too many weight classes, I say it all the time,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but you know I'm involved in weekly ranking fighters for Transnational,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: so I get to see it. I'm a big advocate,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: as you know, Chris, that there's just too many weight
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: classes and it's it's one of the underrated problems with boxing.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And I think this does apply to this. But in
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: favor of Germal, Charlo like one thing I'm not going
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to do, and people weren't talking about it. But if
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I was like doing rankings Loan, I know, it's Jamal
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Charlo just coming back against Thomas Laman and everybody's laughing like, oh,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the WBC's got him number two or whatever.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: But but I'm going to I'm going to play a
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: little Devil's advocate there. Like I said, I don't get
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to do the ratings on my own with Transnational, so
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't propose it, but you know, I was even thinking,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: like you look at the guys at one hundred and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: sixty eight that are even the quote unquote legit top ten,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and it's not exactly.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Look inside the WBA top ten two, right, Yeah, well
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: they don't rank the other but they don't rank the
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: other beltholders, right, And I'm like, that's where I think
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: you do have to have a little flexibility with ratings,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: even with who he came back against.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Like to me, a fighter of Jamal Charlo's ability, you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: just because it's at one sixty eight, Like I look
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: at some of these guys, like I said, were the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: quote legit top ten. I'm like, come on, Jamal Charlo
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: is a better fighter than these guys. So I mean,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: like an example would be okay. We know Resendez just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: beat Planted, but we know also this is what people
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: need to think about more with ratings, Like we know
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: also that if Jamal charlo is going to fight Sindez,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: he's going to be a huge thing at him. Yes,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: your fighters, you've got to take that into account. I mean,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: if yeah, sure, it's a projection, but all ratings are
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a projection, the whole projection, the whole things a projection.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Like some people try to look at it like it's
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a playoff. It's not a playoff.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It's a projection.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, the playoff is just for the championship. You
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: beat the champion, you become the champion. But in terms
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of the ratings, it's not a playoff. So I'm saying
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: that to say, you know, I think with all these
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: weight classes, a guy with Jamal Charlo's talent, you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: if he's even at thirty five, if he's going to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: be active, you got to look at him as a factor,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: including eight pounds. And that's the way I look at it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So he's going to be back and he's going to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: be active. I think he's a factor.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it sounds like, you know what was going
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: on with him outside you know, he's pretty outside the rights.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: He's speaking pretty openly about it and how he had
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to make some changes and and so that's that could
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: be a positive thing. You know, then you can really
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: focus in one hundred percent on boxing while he's still
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: past you know, a career, you know, because that's how
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the thing is, it could be taken away from you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: So I agree. I mean, you know, I'm looking at
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: some rankings in general, and you're like, I mean, how
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: many guys do you really put above them? You know?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Right right, that's what I just going to beat him up.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Berlanga is going to beat him up, you know. I mean,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that's you know, but.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: That's that's another excellent example. Like I mean, if if
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Jamal Charlie's fighting Edgar Berlang get tomorrow, and I'm not
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: even as down on Berlang as some people, I'm picking Charlo.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't mind saying that right now. If they were
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: going to fight in six months, I'm picking Charlo. Now
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Charlo lays off for two years or something might be different.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: But if they fight months, I'm picking Jamal Charlo. So uh,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: don't have any problem saying that. Yeah, that's where the weights.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got a lot of twelve round fights
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: center his belt, you know, right, yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And you know you've got a guy like you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: school running for his life against Canelo. I mean, like
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you know, these were just top ten guys, top ten
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: one and sixty eight pound guys. I mean, you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I said Rezendez is up there now because he beats
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Plant and what would just happen to Plant? Plant didn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: even fall understandably with the division. He's not even all
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the way out of the top ten. But I do
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: think personally practically he's done. Yeah. Yeah, So again, you
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: know if for Jamal Arla really even at thirty five,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it's just a matter of staying active. I mean, if
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, I'll even do one division higher
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: at his age. You know, if he if he does
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the one sixty eight and he's gonna really keep active.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I mean even if he were to go to one
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five pounds, I think he could do it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I think he's got enough pop in the chin. So
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and you know they're six feet tall to Charlo, so yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: it got enough height. So that is if he's going
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to be active. He hasn't been beat up or anything.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: All right, he could he could be a factor for
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. He is fresh that way, He
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: hasn't taken a bunch of damage, but he does have
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of experience in the rings. So whereas you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: look at him and it's a fun it's a it's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: a fun division because it is kind of wide open
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in a sense, and no one really stands way out
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: just yet, right because no some have been tested, but
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: not many. And so yeah, I'm just happy to see
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: him back. We'll see where he goes. So as far
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: as the undercard goes, Hernandez and Davis. Now, on paper,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: this was a step up fight for for for Hernandez,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Kirn Davis. You know, solid operator, you know, nothing to blow.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: He's been in the ring with some solid dudes and
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and so at I like the step up. I was like, okay,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: let's see what he and he looked pretty damn you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: pretty clean in this one in a variety of ways too,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you know, on the back foot, coming forward, patient, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: letting his hands go, even talking in there a little bit.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think of what do you think of Hernandez?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Because he looked pretty to the meat.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Great performance, did everything except get the stoppage. You know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Davis is a difficult guy to fight, and that's probably
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: why we all end up being impressed with, including myself
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and her. You know, Hernandez only seven fights, but you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: still the way he was fighting so well in there,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and he was hurting him frequently. Would have liked to
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: see the stoppage. But with that understood, he did everything else.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And what I did like to see, speaking at rankings
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: and transnational, which you know is really puts out the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: closest we have to a legit top ten. I liked
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: this from from the board. Everybody wanted him in and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: you know, put him in a good spot because knowing
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the respect of Davis being difficult to fight and was
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: hanging around the top pen, suddenly he won too, you know, right,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: totally clean, dominant, right dominant performance. So it seems like
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: there was we don't always have this with boxing fans, commentators,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and writers, et cetera, but seemed the consensus that everybody
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was impressed with Hernandez liked it, and there's been nobody
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: at middleweight. It's one of the most historic divisions, arguably
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the most historic division after heavyweight, so it has been
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: tragic in boxing terms in recent years. That middleweight has
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: been so barren of talent, so and a clear, you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: lineal champ. You really want that at middleweight more than
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: other divisions because of the history. So you know, when
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: you see a guy like Hernandez, if you're a boxing historian,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: not saying at seven fights he's proven greatness or anything,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: but the point being we need somebody there, We need
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: somebody to step up. You know, Adamas has continued to
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: fight well, so he's proven that, you know, being at
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the top of that division. He's for real and you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you know Amicaululi, you know he's good. You know, he's
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: had some real good performances, some not as good as others.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know that if they get We've said
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that before too, if they got these guys together, yes,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you know you might start to call the less and
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and get a real champ. But it hasn't happened yet,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: and the division so weak overall. Surely Hernandez is right
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: about to get himself in that mix. I mean, at
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: most one more big win and he's there. So if
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: he's not there already, even even after so few fights,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: so boxing really needs that in the middleweight division, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: that was you know, that was good good for boxing
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: because the middleweight division needs it so badly.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like just for like a year, you'd wish,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: uh Turkey would just focus on that and and make
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: make all the fights, you know, and just you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: because he got off to a good start, you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll see uh see that because yeah, you're
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: right about that. That was well put where it's like, yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: we know it's not deep, but we could get you know,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a little round robin action. We can get some pretty
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: good fights and and maybe organically you get a rematch,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: you know, who knows, you know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: So you make a good point there, Chris, because starting
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to you know, see Turkey missing opportunities for what the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: mission was supposed to be. And that's an excellent point
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: because I think it does fit in with with the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: tools he's equipped with and what he's supposed to be doing.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Supposed like, in other words, he's got the ring. Okay,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: you know, a historical publication which has always had its
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: own rankings, and champ middleweight pretty much arguably but not
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: too much argument, the second historic division in boxing. So
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Turkey's got the ring. You know, that would be.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: A relatively speaking, exactly, I.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Can even see and Eddie heard saying that, like, relatively speaking,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: these guys are companies.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You could make seven cards with these guys.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I mean why not why not take
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: you know, why not take you know, a Damas, I'm
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a Couley now you know Hernandez and somebody else and say, hey,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be for the ring. These guys are
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: going to fight it off. It's gonna be for the
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: ring at the end of it, and we're gonna get
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the history back on. We're gonna have a real middleweight champion. Look,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that was There's even a good historical example for that
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: within the last twenty years. You know, when you had
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins in the middle Way Ternament Trinidad and Trinidad
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: had the explosive performance pulllweight Joppy Hopkins beat Homes in
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the first round and then Hopkins got the upset right
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: over that in the final even though Hopkins had all
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: those alphabet defenses, that's really what solidified him as the guy,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: and then he went to run in multiple divisions after
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that kind of became a legend. But that's like a
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: perfect example. I mean that being put together by HBO
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: at that time, being a real lineal middleweight champ. Out
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: of that organically happen, you know, right, organically happen, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you still talk about it today, Madison Square Garden, you
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: had great history. So that's the type of thing I'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: looking at here. Like you you point out, I made
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: an excellent points. This is where Turkey could use the money.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: These guys would becoming relatively cheaply.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And you could add in a fifty four pounder too,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like if all of a sudden the money
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: comes out there, like hey, can I be involved? You know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: let me jump up there.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's another perfect example because again a lot of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: these weight classes are unnecessary, and that that's where you
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: used to see more creativity. Again, an example being Trinidad
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: was in the middleweight tournament. Yes, exactly, you got a
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: perfect example. You take maybe the three were talking about, right,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: pick who you like the most that one fifty four
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: and U like the winner of Fondora and Zoo or
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you could just better, you know, it just
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: be better, because right now it's almost like all these
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: guys it's either that happens or they all have to
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: be under one banner, and then it's in house because
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: otherwise and they're not in house. So the closest thing
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: we have to a workable thing without in house is
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: has been a Saudi of late. Unless they're big matchups,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: you know, then you know that that person's gonna make
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: a good B side. Okay, we can make that fight,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: or it's the right time to make the fight. Is
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the most money out of there, something like that, But
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: other than that, clearly the profit you know, as you said,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be a big factor. So yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: that would that would spice things up because it is
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: starting to like it's top heavy, but there's interest. Hernandez man,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: he looked good to me, he looked really really good.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: But I agree that they're like even looking let me see,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: like in the I thought the fifth, In the the fifth, sixth,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and seventh, you did see him start to land some
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: heavy shots and I did think, Okay, here we go.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But you're right, you know, down the stretch there wasn't
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: there wasn't as much going for the knockout and John,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: would you say sometimes just going for it? What does
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the end result always have to be there? Or just
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: let's see you put your foot on the gas and
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: see what happens. How do you feel about that, because
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that is something that you say, I would have liked
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: to get this, you know, to get the stoppage. If
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you're just saying, if it's there, take it, whether you
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: get it or not. Maybe the guy gets up two
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: times and he doesn't get stopped, but he was going
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I think what frustrates me that I what I see
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: and this is what I did see with her Nana
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, my one criticism again not getting
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: the stoppage. But here would be why. And this is
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to me where the commentators are out in left field
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and they frustrate me because that's what I call infomercial commentary.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And it's all all the networks. They're all doing it.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: It's permeated all the promotions, all the networks. But they
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: were doing it in that fight. In other words, pretending
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: like Kirn Davis can come up with this strategy where
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: in his own corner too bread man. I mean, come on,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the guy can't punch. Okay, he's difficult to fight, but
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the guy cannot punch at all. So this idea like, well,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: he's going to come forward, and he's going to have to,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: you know, be trying to get Hernandez out of there.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: That's that's fantasy. And then why this to meet ties
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: in with Hernandez? Is he's in with them? I mean
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: he knows at that point the guy can't hurt him.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I mean by reputation and buy what's happened for eight rounds?
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: So what do you what are you throwing a couple
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: of punches and then back and off for I mean,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: this guy can't hurt you. He's not a He's hanging
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: on by a thread. And that's would be in the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: performance and other small criticism because I'm like everybody else
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: liked the performance overall, but these are real criticisms because
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: they do come in against better opposition, you know. Then
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: there were a couple of moments when he actually backed
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: off and I was thinking, like, why are you back
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: at all? Yeah, Davis, I mean, this guy can't punch,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: He can't hurt you. You shouldn't be taking one backward
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: step right because you're going to wear him out too
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: when you're not letting him step forward at all. Because
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: he's got to keep backing off.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: He's got to keep that might be the time where
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you land that perfect counter in the exchange, you know, right.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Right, And and what I did like about Hernandez, I
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: mean the guy punches in combination with power too, so
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: he wasn't just throwing one shot. He was throwing hard
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: shots in combination. But yeah, you know, no reason to
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: not keep pushing Davis back, get the stop it. He's
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: not going to hurt you. He's not a puncher at all.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: He's just a difficult kind of fight, but he can't punch,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: so right, kind of a good performance but a bit
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of a missed opportunity there.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point because I did notice
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: in pushing them back and bringing pressure, you know, somewhere
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: in the middle around And you're right, he did either
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: what you said there or what else he said was
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you know, landing some really good shots and then not
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: following up on it, and those type of habits, because
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you can't just say, well, if you faced someone with
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a more of a threat, he would have done that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, if you got to create those
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: habits too, because it may not it may not be
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a knockout, but you clearly won that round in a
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: tight fight, you know, So like if you create that habit,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you're gonna win that round. It's not necessarily always it
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: has to be this highlight real knockout, but the fact
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: is you put your punches together, you followed up on it,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and hey, if someone's showing a crazy chin, then they did.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: But at least you, you know, like you said, put
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the put the foot on the gas and then you know.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I thought I did think that the Lucero Villains Whale fight,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I thought that would be a more two way fight.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I was not. I mean, it was while it while
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: it lasted, but but I didn't think Lucero would be
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: able to uh you know that flush right hook landed perfectly.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I did kind of think that it was an early stoppage.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: It ended right at the end of the second, but
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I did actually think that would be more of a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: two way fight for longer. I have to admit, going in.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I felt like myself, this is why I do recommend
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: looking at these kind of things, because, like I always say,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: they don't get everyone right, but they get it right
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: more than you do. And what got me not thinking
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that way going in was when I was getting ready
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: for the card and scouting at the matchups for the
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: week looked at the odds on that fight, and Lucero
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: was a massive favorite, and I thought this Valin's wail
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: guys twenty three and oh with twenty Ko's and Lucero's
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: a massive favorite. I mean and the odds makers, No,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: That's what I was saying there, Like I wasn't second
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: guessing the odds makers. I'm like, they got I get right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm like they looked at this guy's opposition and
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: this guy must have fought nobody. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: And I just did think the guy didn't look very
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: good once to the bell rang and I didn't mention it. Afterwards,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Ron Catch, you know, the legendary matchmaker. He did laugh.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: He knew what I was talking about. I said, man,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I know one thing after this fight, I don't want
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: to see the twenty guys balance Weila Ko. Yeah, I
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: mean that's not had to be some bad, bad opposition, right, yeah,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: We're no bad opposition. Because he was a huge dog
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and got blown out. I personally didn't have any problem
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: with the stoppage. I just thought, really, as I was
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: watching the fight, then I'm like that, you know, if
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: you took the record away this Follin's, well, a guy's
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: not very good.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't think it would be a fifty
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: to fifty fight at the end of the fight, but
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I thought within the und I had seen some of
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: his fights, so I thought within the rounds it would
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: be more. It would be a better step up for him,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like even the even before he got knocked
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: out there, you know that the first round was entertaining though,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like they were out you know, but like you said,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: in that first round, it was a two way round.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Early in the second was two round. But when you
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: saw the punches, they wait a second, this he's landing.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: He's landing. But it sure isn't the effect you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: exactly you know.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. There was there was action, but yeah,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Allen's well was punching just the way you described it.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: You're like, man, I don't want to see the guy
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: the twenty guys. This guy knocked out.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And that's really what changed my mind. Then it was like, man,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: he hit him with some good sh and it didn't
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: look like it affected him whatsoever. But that that is
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: a good point. It is definitely a good point. So
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that that Friday Night card with Folgham and Beck it's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Mella Kazov. I always mess up his last name. I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: just go with Beck back to bully. But what do
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: you think of that fight? Because that was a competitive fight.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: It was basically what seven to five? All three? I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: believe both of them got point deductions for different reasons.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: How'd you see that one go down?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: There was a pretty good fight. It's just, you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: from that sport perspective, it's too bad you get these
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: fights on his own. You really do feel in the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: US virtually nobody's seeing them, just talking from US sensibilities,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: and you know, fam guy, American guy from Houston. He
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: has looked pretty good to me, including you know, solid
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: performance on Friday Night. Decent fighter, I mean, you know,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: decent fighter. So uh that's you know, kind of a positive.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: But he didn't but he didn't get the win. You know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: he didn't get the the signature wind type of thing.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: You know, Beck is you know, he got upset by Rosatto.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Everybody was real high on him before that, and you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: know he got a knock down late. But but not
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: getting a stoppage in this fight, I mean, he's he's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: not you know, it's pretty obvious he's not going to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: be at the level let's say pre Rosatto that people
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: were looking.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: As much of a bully as they were saying.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Right, and this is like we're talking like one hundred
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: and sixty eight pounds, you know, I mean like you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: know that these are not like particularly threatening characters. You know,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about Jamal Charlo.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Being let's say perfect example, I would put Charlo over
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: him right, right.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: No, not that it's automatic, as Charlo's had a lot
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: of layoffs, but but he's got the ability and he's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: proven it. So uh yeah, like you said, it's it's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: open in terms of you know, hm, this is maybe
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: like like we're saying, I mean you talk about Turkey
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: alask because right, he can he can make the fights
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: without it having to be in house. He can go
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to different promotions, throw around the cash. But but we're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: talking these are ideas of like some of these fights
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: could come cheaper, and you know, the guys might be
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: kind of for lack of a better term, hungrier because
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: they want to make more of a name. They're not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: as high a profile, and they would come more cheaply,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: So he might might need to think about having some
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: like kind of well, I would say unofficial, but he's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: got the money, he can do it official. I mean
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: maybe just you know, you don't want to drag it
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: out too long. I would say, you know some maybe
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: some some four man tournaments, you know, uh, the divisions
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: with the top guys, you know, and.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Even if you don't call it that, you know, you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: can just be like, hey, it's a co feature. You
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: have these these four fighters, that's the main event. That
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it's the co headliners, I mean liners, you know, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: just do it that way. Whatever.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when HBI was going good, they used to do
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. Yeah, you know it's not official,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: but you take the four but then you really have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: them fight, not just the hype like we've got the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: last frankly like the last twenty years. But when it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: used to be like they did that, then they really
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: fought that. They really did fight, and he had the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: date reserved and you know it was ready to.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Go right right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Right exactly. We need to we need to get back
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: to a little of that.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because if people get the more people get
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: excited about it's like, well let's push this off a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: little bit and we can make some more money on this.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a good fight. Yeah, Beck, I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: don't know he was. He's good. You know, there's times
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: in a fight in his fights where you're like, wow,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that was pretty good, you know, and you'll land a
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: big shot if it land a big shot. Like he
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: definitely has some skills, no doubt about it, but like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: his his jab and I liked him, but I did
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: think he was just being overhyped. I think he kind
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: of falls in the category of, you know, like hyping
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: up a guy who's beating people that he should beat
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: early in his career and shouldn't look really all that
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: bad and then did. And then yeah, you can't put
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a death sentence on the guy's career just because he lost,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you know, especially the way he lost. You know, that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: could happen. But but yeah, I'm still not really seeing it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Like you said, there's like levels and he's up there
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and he's a good fighter, but yeah, I don't I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: don't really see him, you know, separating himself as much
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: as you know, we kind of thought he would or
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: whatever people thought he would. Any other items that you
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: want to discuss before we get into uh this upcoming
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: week ind there, sir.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just two things I'm thinking odds that are that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: are interesting to me, and they do mean things. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: did put it out there as soon as I saw it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: I saw some people pick up afterward. But I was shocked, frankly,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and it is official. I mean, Canelo only
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: minus one ninety five over Crawford. Now I gotta say it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I was questioning, you know, would you know
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: maybe it's not going to be that exciting A fight
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it will be and is this just
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: an event? Almost getting down on it. But look again,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the odds makers they got they they're the collective wisdom.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: They got to get it more right than any right.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: They got to set it where it's going to be
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: both sides, which is the collective wisdom. So you know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: they only got Canal out of minus one ninety five.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Now this part I have to throw out in fairness
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: to Turkey alichk if he ever gets to fight. I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: mean there's already now incredible reports of all kinds of problems.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: But if he ever pulls it off, we have to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: now give qualifier. I mean minus one ninety five for Canelo.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: That's not an event. That's not an event like that's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: a fight.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: You know, we've got to look at that now. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: mean performances the way they've gone. I mean, the odds
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: makers are telling you now it's it's a fight, it's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: not just an event. So I think everybody's got to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: pay attention to that. Some people I sense don't like it,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: they don't want to pay attention to it, but you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: have to and and even I have to recalibrate a
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: little bit, like this is not just an event. This
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: this is being viewed as a fight, so if it
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: comes off, maybe have to look at it just a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: little bit differently. And then again the collective wisdom. So
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean what's going to happen, but it's what
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I saw, even though I was high on them before
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: that fight. Berlanga is a favorite over Shirat, so like
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: a minus one twenty five, very close. But still that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: tells me the odds makers are not buying into charez
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: bad hand against the Dames, or that that should have
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: been close. It was a terrible decision to draw. Again,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: he's going to have this opportunity and the Saudis want
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: to give it to him, I think to reverse it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Langa is a fawd guy. But he's a he's an
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: underdog to Berlanga, So the odds makers are not buying
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: into this. His hand was her any of that stuff.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, Charez, he's got to he's got to deliver
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: something against or he's going to be that kind of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: a viewed as kind of a fraud as.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: On Twitter. Watching Twitter will destroy.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Him if exactly you can see it coming, right, I mean,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe he'll deliver, But when I saw that, man,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: he's an underdog to Berlanga. Yeah, nobody's buying those excuses
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: for that performance against the damas. Everybody knows what they saw.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, Shiraz after being a rising star for
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: a few fights and now all of a sudden, it's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: all on the line for him. He's he's got to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: produce in that fight.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to throw some damn punches. Yeah. That
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and what you said about Crawford. So are you now
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: kind of looking at have you looked at the knockout
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: odds for Canelo because that was kind of on your mind.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: It was, But then then then I didn't look again
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: because I thought, man, he's only it might as one
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: ninety five favorite, So.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: They're probably going to be as good as they can be.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Now if it's that close for a knockout, you know,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: rather than it being you.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Know right, you know, yeah, it might be close. I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: mean maybe they think a.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Hundred for Crawford. Well, if it's that then that means
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: the knockout odds are going to be better, you know,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: right money right? Yeah, I mean you were think how
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it works, you know, offered.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Moving up far enough. I mean I'm not saying I'm
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: making a prediction yet, but yeah, you would think that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Canelo knockout wouldn't be a bad play. Yeah, I mean
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: A fight eventually was better than it would you know.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was, and it's kind of almost changed
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: and motivationally for Canelo because yeah, we're all originally looking
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: at this fight being signed, and even Canelo himself talking like, well,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I'll get no credit if I beat that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Hang on, disrespectful, you know right, I mean you'll be
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: a disc So yeah, you know, you can't be saying, oh,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: nobody expects me to or you know, everybody expects.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Me to win and nobody's assuming it. So minus one
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: ninety five where we are right now. So Canelo might
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: have some motivation that he did not have before that,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And what I want.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: To say, like Jamal Charlo was like a plus four
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: fifty plus five hundred plus five fifty somewhere in that realm.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was higher than that, right, something
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, Yeah, I mean, you know, Crawford's a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: damn good fighter. There's that. You can't deny that. And
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: he you know, he he'll fight at the pace that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: canal's probably gonna set, which isn't really set in much
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: of a pace. Yeah, you know, so you start to go, huh, man,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: if he were you know, I don't know, it's it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: seems like it's yeah, maybe they are judging recent fights too.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: But then you could say the same thing about Crawford.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And his like, you know, thirty eight. It's really shocking
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: because Crawford's thirty eight.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and didn't look all that great at fifty four
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: in this first fight, you know.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: For the odds to be that tight, and they were today.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I looked at him again today they've stayed to say,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: but the minus one ninety five canal that that was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: your salker though.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is that's kind of interesting. Yeah, like you said,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know how that it's not
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: set yet, which is just like, what are we doing here,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Like what he's going to be done? The damn fighting
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: until you got it set, Like this is silly, you know,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: this is boxing one on one. In fact, we're we
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: it looks like we're going through that with the low
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: pezant Haini that they announced the date and it's all, actually, no,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: it's not like what wait what you just said? It
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: was signing, Like, what's going on? He didn't sign the contract.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yet, so they announced they announced the date. Today the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: ring is announcing the date, and then the rings and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the rings got to know, yeah, exactly. They're
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: saying it's off. It's not odd.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: So they're saying he literally turned it down but then
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: agreed to all these terms. It's like, so he got
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: to the last second they sent them it and then
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: he's like, nah, we're good. Like it's just I don't know.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I hate public negotiations, man, Like, if you if you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: want to say, hey, you're negotiating, cool, we feel like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: we're making good progress, you know, be real political with it,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: you know, do not turn it into some circus because
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: most of the time that shit doesn't happen. You know
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: and so, and it gets people pissed up, and then
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it like furthers you may be making a lot of
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: good fights, but it furthers the narrative of oh the best,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: don't fighting the best. Oh look at this, you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like another fight down the draying,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's just so, I don't know.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Part of it's because there's not enough matchups left that
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: appeal to US sensibilities. That's that's where we're really in
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: danger in the US is you know these recent fights
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Turkey's talking about. He's trying to put the US sensibilities
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: guys against each other, and there's difficulties, it's not coming off.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, you had that bad time square card,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, like like we're running out of fights with
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: US sensibilities that are even gonna sell. It's it's it's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: bad in that sense. It's bad.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, out of tail female's own mouth,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: he said he would get eleven mil for the fight,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: right out of his own mouth. So it's like, so
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: what's the problem then, Like what's going on? Like, tell
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: have a presser right now and tell us why it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: not done or is it bullshit, come out and say
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: it's bullshit, then it's gonna get signed or something. Just
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't like get public negotiations because I'm
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: asking him now to come out and say something. But
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: it should be all behind closed doors in the beginning,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's just like saving face.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: So whatever that way Hani fought in his last fight.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's difficult for me to the picture.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't know if this is gonna come off.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I mean as of now, it's not.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: But it's hard where Hani was at, you know, in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: this last performance against ra Mirror is it's hard to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: picture him throwing many punches at a guy like tia
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Fimo Lopez who's capable of herd. I mean, even fighting
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: whatever weight they're going to fight at, whether it be welterweight,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: you know, or whatever. But I think I still think
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: tia Fimo's probably got enough offense he can hurt you,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: and that that would seem to have HAINI real cautious
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: the way you know he looked last time out.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that said Tail is not the same guy
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: coming forward either, you know now, So it's stylist like
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: on paper as far as just hey, that's a solid fight,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: let's see it. I think that's for sure. But you know,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: if you look at the style matchup, maybe it's best
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be in Sadi if.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: It happened exactly. No, it's not the it's not the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: best style matchup in the world.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a really legitimate fight where you're like, okay,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: this is the let's do it, you know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and try and trying to put the few
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: guys in the US who really have.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Yes we're speaking names, and yes, that's exactly what it is.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: And you put that in New York, it probably do good,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you know, do really good, as long as you didn't
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: do it in the street, you know, if you put
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: it in an arena, because they do have arenas in
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: New York too, you know. But other than that, yeah,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: we'll see how that works. Well, since we'reund the news topic,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: it appears that Fulton and Foster it's it's being reported
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: pretty solidly that it got finalized.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two good fighters. Don't personally not crazy about
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: the style matchup. I mean, Fulton's not going to hurt
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: anybody at one hundred and thirty pounds. He doesn't hurt
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: anybody anyway. It's coming off a really good performance. But
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Foster is not a puncher generally. I mean, there'll be
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: some punch is thrown, but.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah it's not They're not gonna only throw three
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: hundred punches in a fight. But yeah, I hear what
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: you're saying.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's not gonna be any heavy artillery. Not
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be any heavy artillery in the fight, right, but
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: two good fighters. Yeah, it looks like does look like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: that's gonna happen as of today.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very intriguing just because of how,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: you know, just solid, solid fighters. Yeah, exactly, Like you know,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: it's quality fighters. So it's good, it's pretty. It's gonna
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: be hard for me to uh not be happy at
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: a fight like that being made. Doesn't mean it's gonna
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: be the fight of the year, no, but I think
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: the more solid fights, solid fighters fighting each other, it's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: really hard for me to complain about it. Now. We
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: may talk about the style matchup, but overall, I really
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: like that fight overall. So this weekend we have we
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: have a heavyweight fight, which I have you know, I've
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: heard some folks looking at the underdog number and jumping
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: on it. But you know, obviously Wardley is the favorite.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: But you look at uh Hooney is like plus two
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: sixty plus three hundred. Actually, I hadn't seen that. I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen a three hundred just yet. Now there's a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: three hundred plus two fifty. Like I think Fabio Wardley's
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: gonna win the fight, but there might be an upset.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if I trust the chin of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the you know, the the it's not really a late
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: replacement actually, because it's been there for a while. I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: don't know if he was on the card or not.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: But what do you think of this matchup? In just
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: in general? I see some folks really looking at this
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: might be an upset. I don't know. Wardley kind of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: does bring it sometimes other side like you'll shock you
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh wow, that was quick, and then
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: other times you're like, eh, I don't know. He's kind
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: of up and down. What do you thought. You think
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: there's a chance or an upset, or you think that
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: the odds are maybe a little too close Wardly, he's.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: He's kind of but not really in all that bad
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: of a way and surprising with the no amateur pedigree whatsoever.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: No amateur you know, like he can fight in some
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: different styles, which makes it where you never know exactly
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: what you're getting with him. I mean, you've seen him
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: box some we've seen him just straight out blow people away,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: like in the Clark rematch.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I didn't see that coming at all.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: No, But but there's other fights he's brawled. But then
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: you see him box and some. I've liked the guy,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: as you know. I mean, he kind of won me
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: over early on. I'm like, you know, this guy, every
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: time I see him, I kind of like them, and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: for me, with his career, it's just continued that way.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: So he's already a guy like you know, on one hand,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: you always feel like you are taking a risk relying
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: on him because he's got no amateur experience to fall
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: back on, which you know helps you in the pros
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: when you have a guy who really had a lot
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: of amateur fights, you know, has those fundamentals to fall
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: back on. I mean, wardly doesn't have that, But I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: just like what he's done. And the argument in a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: favor of a guy like him, if he keeps getting
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: by winning and looking good, is his upside might be higher.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have any amateur right. In other words,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: he can get better, he could develop. Sometimes pro scouts
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: and other sports look at it that way. You have
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: somebody who maybe wasn't playing all the time since they
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: were five. It's a different evaluation. But they've got the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: higher upside if they start to show some flashes, because
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: they can develop even it's later on. So I think
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Wardley's like that in boxing because he's looked good to me.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: He's really like a legit top ten guy now. So
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay with him because I've liked him. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly all, you know, if it goes all
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: the way to the top. But then on the other hand,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, Usik's thirty eight years old. I mean, even him,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, nobody, nobody can last forever. And you know
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: he's probably not that we've seen it necessarily, but he's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: probably getting near the end. Yeah, you know, he's undefeated.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: You know, his volume for him is dropping a little bit.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I've noticed. All I'm saying that is that there's gonna
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: be an opening. You know, there's gonna be an open there.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: It's about to be wide open, right, And I'm not
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: picking on him but like I'll stay it because I
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: feel confident in it. And you know, usiks getting old,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: But I mean, like, I'm not on this Joe Parker bandwagon.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Like Joe Parker became Muhammad Ali because he beat a
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: few older guys and Bacoli on one day's a fat
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Bacoli on one day's notice. Right, You know, Parker is
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: always solid. I've always said that about him. He's always
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: going to be legit top ten. But you know we're
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: talking about now the very top. Even now, I'm still like,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think he's necessarily that. So why
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: it ties in the wardley for me is he's already
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: legit top ten and that that very top the real
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: championships probably get near going to be open because Usik's age.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean he doesn't get by Dubuan
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: to rematch, but it might be tough for him in
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: the rematch, and even if he gets by, you know,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: is he going to want to keep going? That was
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: another thing that came out today. This one I did
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: say within the last year, and it was in today's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Boxing news. In the Boxing News. Now Usik is saying,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: give me Jake Paul okay, today, So I did. I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: did suggest that one within the last year. Like I said,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, maybe it takes about in two rounds,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: but people want to see Paul get knocked out, especially
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of boxing fans. You can sell me. You
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: can sell it because it is for the title. It's
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: for the heavyweight championship of the world. So I can't
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: say I blame him with the money and the ease
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: it would be for him. But Usik as of today,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: he's apparently on board with that because he's saying, give
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: me Jake Paul and today they were talking about.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: It, so right, I wonder what Jake Paul thinks that. Yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, yeah yourself.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's a big step up from Chavez
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Jujior to Usik, but yeah, maybe maybe he's gonna wait
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: and see how that goes for him.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean it would be a damn
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: good cash out, that's for sure.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: It's a good cash out though, And I think in
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: a weird way, you can sell it and people want
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: to see it. Even Jake Paul is going to go
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: out in thirty seconds because there's a lot of people
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: want to see that.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, exactly, yep. And people that believe in him,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, whatever he says, they're gonna believe. Like,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: you know, he said he was gonna fight Canal and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: his way up and he you know, it's just it's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: just funny, it's crazy.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: But there's always somebody that's gonna believe for some reasons.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, there's always there's always somebody that's gonna
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: believe for some reason. That's why you could sell it to.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Right and the hoony dude. You know, I remember the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Tabidi fight, I remember the Loraina fight, but before that
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: and after that, you know, it's like he it just
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's kept going up opponent wise, and
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I think that does hurt him. I just I kind
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: of wanted to breeze by you because I have noticed
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: that I just don't know if he holds up. I
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: really don't, so I'm not picking him either, But I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: just noticed people saying, hey, this is it's gonna be
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: an upset. So I'm just just kind of eye in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. But yeah, I think Fabio Wordley
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: is is gonna win. And you know, I wouldn't be
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: shocked by a knockout but yeah, some some UK fans.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I got a couple of messages in the last couple
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: of days saying, hey, watch out for this, But I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't really believe in Hooney. Maybe if
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: that competition level would have kept going up right, you know,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and he would have shown the same thing, you're like,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: oh wow, it's you know, But I just the odds
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: are closer than I thought it would be, though I'll
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: say that.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't it didn't catch my eye too, because I like, overall,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I'd liked the way Wardley's been fighting, and I thought
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: saying like, whoa, you know, minus three forty is not
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: a huge favorite.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean underdog in the two hundreds. It's like,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: that's not a huge underdog, you know, for for boxing,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. So Delonte Johnson is stepping up against
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Bokach Abdullah, Mason is going against Nakathila. I think I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: am picking a minor upset with all Bright over Davis.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I could see that being a that's a competitive fight.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: And then you have Keishan Davis uh going fighting back
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: in Norfolk, Virginia taking on Edwin de los Santo's which
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I know when this was announced to talk about. You
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: weren't too crazy about this fight. You know, it is
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: a measuring stick, I will say that, but it is
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: a difficult measuring stick because De la Santos has the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: capabilities to be you know, to to stall the fight
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and to not be able to you know, you can
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: kind of look bad even though you may win it cleanly.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Here like at the end, you're like, eh, it really
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't a good performance. Now was that all your fault? No, however,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: why didn't you do something? And that type of thing.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, there are times where fighters
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: just can't cut off the ring. I'll give you that,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: but there's plenty of times where people say that and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but it's hard to cut off the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: ring on some guys if they're really just you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: going stalemate in a sense. But what are your thoughts
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: just in general of this card or you know, abdual
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Mason actually is in a decent step up, Not that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I think you'll lose or anything, but I like, I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: think Davis is obviously going to win. But I do
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like Delante Johnson. I like their opponents. I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: like the undercard opponents because I think they do represent
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: a step up regardless of the outcome. I guess you
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: could say.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this, I mean it's kind of like been as
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: we're nearing the end of it now unfortunately, reminds you
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: of kind of the some of the pluses and minuses
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: of what top ranks and with the deal nearing the end,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: obviously now.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Is it one more?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I think there's one more, maybe one more afternoon with
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: so you've got the good part. I think, yeah, that's right,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: mel and Neck. He's got a fight coming up and
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have what the zion.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fifty four Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: you're right, that's the last one, zays yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: And then so you got the plus is like I
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: think Keishawn Davis and Abdullah Mason are the type of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: guys that top ranks should want to get exposure and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: you know, get American fans looking at and into I mean,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: I think between those two guys in Carrington, I mean
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: here at the end, those are three guys that are
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: good to build up. So that part of my favor.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: But I did feel like I called this going in
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: because the odds makers don't have these like Abdollah Mason's
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: a massive favorite, and so is Keishan Davis. But Mason's
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: an even bigger favorite favorite, and you know, not even
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: close odds. And so this is your national telecast. Again,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: A fan can't tune it in and expect a competitive fight.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe one they get one by surprise. But
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: that's the problem with you know, your then marketing. It's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: like it's it's not something they can expect and unless
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: you got punchers, like Mason is kind of near being
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: that kind of guy, like you know, Mike Tyson knocking
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: everybody out, you know, George Foreman. Matter. But but the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: thing that that we don't get enough nowadays that you
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: did get with like a Tyson a Foreman, because I'd
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: like to see this and I feel like Mason has
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of capability out of those three guys, especially him,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Like in other words, as fans are fans tuning in,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: like when he does that, like blows away a credible opponent,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: even you know, above an Akathila level at this point,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Like that's then when people do whoa whoa, you know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: like this guy was credible, you know, he was a legit,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: you know, near you know, top ten guy or near
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: the top like legit, you know, not like alphabet stuff
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: like and and Mason just blew him away, Like that's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: when people get excited about you. They want to see
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: you more like to me, yeah, you can get a
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: highlight reel and social media now and stuff that helps you.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: But these aren't quite on that level for both of
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: these guys, like where it would really get fans excited,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: like if they had that kind of performance. So that
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: that's that's the down that's the downside is not really
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: competitive action. I mean, I think these are the right
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: guys to be featuring and you know, you could say closer,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: we know who these opponents are, but where they're at
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: right now, it's it's not at that level where it's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: really an eye opener for the fan that really really
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: gets excited. You can get some excitement, but not that
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: real level where this has been the problem with the
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: top ranked deal Like and as we're getting near the end,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: this does fit it like Okays fight Acathila and Dissentos
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: is going to fight he Sean Davis, but then it
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: leads to nothing. It leads to like them inflating some
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: alphabet fight against another guy that's not competitive, like if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the deal was continuing, that's what you kept getting. And
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: that really was a big problem with what top rank did.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: It just never it just never led to and and
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: this is kind of like it's ending that way to me, Like,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not like they're doing this and then
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Mason and and Davis are going to fight next or
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: something like we're not. You know, just that just never
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: happened with this deal, and that in him.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: And Secure, you know, swore it pretty early that they
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: were going to fight each other. So that was the bat.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Even though you know, Score is not with them anymore,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: he was with them for obviously quite a long time. Yeah,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: that's a good point because I think that, like I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: was saying, we know the guys, but you know, that's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: just watched the sport more closely. But to your point,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's you know, and that's why I kind of look,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I guess I've been not necessarily numb to it, but
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: they're the matchmaking in recent you know, whatever years, not
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: just five or anything like that, for quite a while.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: There's time I think I've lowered my standards some time
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: in a sense because it's like, okay, well this does
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: see this is a step up. But to your point,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: it's not, uh, this makes you a full on contender,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: step up. You know where you're gonna be ready for
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: a big fight now, you know because you did it right.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: So to your point, that is well set because most
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: of those fights are you know, odds wise, pretty wide
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, so style it See. I think De
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: los Santo's is a is a is a is a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: legit opponent. But I do think it's gonna be an issue.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: And people say, oh, you can't slip up against against
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: him because he has power.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: He does have some power, some power.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least do you think he's just gonna play spoiler?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what's gonna happen? And then Keishan
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: is gonna look bad doing it because he can't you know,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: because it's a stalemate or you know.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: I think when it comes I think what these types
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: of fights come down to is this. I I don't
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: think del Santos will probably have that spirited of an effort,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: but where to me it can develop into the stinking
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: and out kind of thing is more like if then
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Keishawn Davis, who does have some pop but and boxing skill,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: starts saying like, well you know, Delos Santos has some pop.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: He's not doing much, but you know, I don't want
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: to take any risks here he can hurt you, and
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: then it doesn't really go to put any hurt on
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: him and just just cautious over the twelve rounds that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: that's that's what we get too much of.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: And then like you said, it doesn't lead to anything,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: so okay, and then right like when you just look
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: at him at the way class you rank them and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But to your point, it's not going
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: to lead to anything per se, right, I mean, you
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: know that's the thing. I mean, there was I said
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: never before it didn't lead to anything enough. Like I mean,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: there are high points were like Ta Femo fighting Josh Taylor,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Ta Femo fighting Lomachenko, but you know that that was
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: those were really fights, you know, but yeah, but.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: There was just wasn't enough. Too too much of what
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: they did did led to nothing.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in like you know, the like you said,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the infomercial type broadcasting, right, you start to get uh,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the pump up these guys and then it's just it's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: like a bridge to nowhere, like that old political term,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: you know, bridge nowhere and it's like, well, or they
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: get exposed and you're like, god, you just got done
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: telling me that this guy for two years is you know,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: some boogieman and then he fights a real fighter and
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: he's really not that much of a boogeyman at all.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: So then then people are even further down on that guy.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of weird now.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Problems with these kind of matchups, like because you know,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: like they're all doing it, but like you know, I always,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: like myself, I had always kind of liked show test
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: to tour, but now he's doing it just like all
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: of them, like because it's like typical what you'll get
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Saturday night. Then so Abdullah Mason, who I do love too,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: very entertaining guy, but still Nakathila, you know, got blown
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: away by Attia, so that was kind of like, you know,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: let the air out of his balloon of being dangerous.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: But then we'll get like, now Mason's a minus twenty
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: four hundred favor or whatever, and he'll take out Nacathila
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: and three and Joe Testator will be screaming like a madman.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: That's the that's actually like a problem now, you know, like, yeah,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: it's your product. But but come on, you know, don't
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: treat us like idiots. I mean, the guy's a minus
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: twenty four hundred favorite. You know he's supposed to be
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: doing that the way you've set up this matchup, so
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: like you know, you gotta, you gotta, you should be
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: commentating and honestly, like like that's that's where you're missing.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Like if it was somebody else in a boxing world
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: we don't have right now who was more of a threat.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: And maybe Mason was, you know, a solid favorite but
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: not a big favorite. Then he did that in test too,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: was screaming. We'd be screaming with him. But that's not
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: what That's not what we get, you know, that's just
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: not what we get.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with Tessatura now compared to when
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: he was on Friday Night Fights, you know, and the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: way Friday Night Fights was set up down the stretch
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: of it anyway, was there was not one promoter that
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: had all these deals, you know what I mean. It
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: was sometimes it'd be some you know, kind of a
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: random fight, but it was a championship fight. And it's like, okay,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: well these guys aren't good enough to be on HBO
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: or showtime. But this is a good fight, like okay,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, but it was a lot more non biased.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: It was more straight up because they didn't have a
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: platform that only has that promoter on it too, you know.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: I think that obviously plays into it. And it seems
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: like just in every walk of this type of stuff, entertainment, politics,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: now it's like what you say, and people are saying
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: stuff that sometimes I don't even believe they believe it,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna say something, So it's gonna grab some traction,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and you'll be when they show highlights of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: the guy, You're gonna be the guy screaming. You're the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: narrator of the guy screaming. So hey, that's me, you know.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've seen younger fans. This is a difference,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: like in fairness to a little bit to these guys.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I do see a generational
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: thing here. You're and it's like what you've described ris like,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: you know, there's I'm trying to think of what age
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: I would start it at, but like there's an age
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: of fan of all sport. Like if you're not screaming
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: and then it's highlight clip, they're like what the hell's
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: the matter with this guy? There was just a knockout
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: and he just didn't scream. He just was just talking.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Like our football, there is a touchdown and the guy's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: just talking like you gotta scream like an idiot. There's
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: a certain generation of fan who's like, what's wrong with
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: this guy?
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: And I noticed that once they started showing highlights of
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: a guy. That makes a guy like, let's say in basketball,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: all right, he breaks his ankle, but they don't show
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: the shot because the shot didn't go in. John, so
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: that doesn't count. In our day, that wouldn't have come.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: That was a fancy move, but you didn't get the bucket,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: so ultimately you need to get the free throw line.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: So you just missed the shot. It was cool, but
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: you didn't finish the play. Well, nowadays they'll put the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: just that clip doesn't matter what the hell happened on
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: the actual play. It's just that guy twisted his ankle.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. You know I see that way too
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: often where you're just like, I mean, he didn't finish
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: the damn play. Who cares, you know? But yeah, that's funny.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: But I, like I said, I do think speaking of
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: closely matched fights, and once this fight got made the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Albright he's only a plus one ninety four plus. Actually
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Betwey has him plus one sixty three to Calvin Davis.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm actually picking the upset with Allbright. I like what
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I've seen on him. But yeah, does it just kind
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: of feel like they got some young fighters on it.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: They got some guys that are entering their prime, like
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Keishaan Davis, and it's just kind of like maybe a
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: step up from a showcase the fight like Delante Johnson
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: and and you know, in Bokachka, I think that this
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: fight would have happened a little while ago when Bokachka
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: still had a well dude on show box or this
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: on that you know, it does.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Was he was in some decent fights.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: He was, but it's it's like the timings off on
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: it to actually think it's gonna be a great win
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: once again, the lowering of the standard of well that
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: is technically John a step up fight for him, but
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: how you know, is it a full step, is it
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: a half a step? You know that that's where that
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: kind of that kind of plays into it.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: I think a step up like has to be where
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: where we feel like there's a legitimate threat that the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: guy they're stepping up against could beat him, you.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, real hard on him and make it real
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: hard on them.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not enough right there. There are steps up,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: but not big enough. But you make a good point
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: in the favor at least because we don't get that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: much anymore. That at least on an undercard you have
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: some closer odds fights, which frankly, we rarely get nowadays.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty crazy speaking the top Rank.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: You know, the they say there's up to forty events.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: What does that mean taking place here? Does that mean
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: using some of the UK feed? You know, we don't
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: know exactly. But they also say multiple platforms. You know,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: there is rumors speaking of HBO and they're going to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: go back to the name instead of Max. It's like,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: that's just funny to me.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: It's like they are going back to the name. But
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: I'm I've been skeptical Top Rank because I've been following
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: it close to some insiders were like, Oh, they'll be fine,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: this is all going to work out, But I feel
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: we're too far down the line, Like they keep saying
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: it's going to be multiple platforms, we've got stuff set up.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: I've they have not specifically announced anything right zero And
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: and you know the state boxing's in in the US,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: especially right now, I've become skeptical that I'm like, I'm
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: not buying all the way in, Like I got a.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Feeling Investments is not right there like it was, you know.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Right, I got a feeling they don't have My feeling
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: would be that like right now, they don't have anything set.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: I mean now it might get set.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: But beyond the zone or something like that.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say, right for now, yeah, I'm not
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not convinced they've got something set right now.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: I could see them being able to go to the zone,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: you know, right, but yeah, you know, so that's is
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: that there is that kind of like laying in the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: cut and they're trying to get other deals, you know,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: are they trying you know, yeah, I've been I've been
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: a little in between on it too. Like you're just
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: like you talk about you're gonna go maybe back to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: HBO Max and okay, that'd be great, you know sweet,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and T n T is wrapped up in
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: that and.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: You could see a T n T HBO Max Combo.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're losing the NBA, right, they have some
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: money hanging around.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: You could see. You can't see that, right.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that they did dabble.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: They did dabble with them before they got the ESPN
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: the last Days on HBO.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: That's right, because they did. They did. They did a
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: couple of those events. I remember that. Yeah.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I think a couple of cars were Okay.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're on like Thursdays or something like that.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: They were one of them is doing to Yeah, you're
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: right about that. That that looks good. Yeah, I just
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: wonder because you know, we we asked questions here, we
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: talked it through. We're realistic. We tried to throw a
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff on the wall and see what sticks.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: People didn't have a problem when we were saying that
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: stuff about the PBC and what's next for them or
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: where their current deal is and all that. But you know,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: every time I bring up top rank, I'll get a
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: message oh this that, and you know it's like, dude,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: we're just hey man, we you know, we talked about
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: the end of the deal a long time ago, and
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: we don't want it to happen. But the writing appeared
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: to be on the wall, and obviously it is now.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: So I just think that they'd be able to if
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: they were so comfortable they'd already they'd be able to
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: stay on the deal. Maybe. But ESPN has cut back
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: a lot. I will say that because they're invested heavy
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: in college football.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Now they're dropping baseball. They're dropping baseball, yep. I'll keep
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: that in mind, like, yeah, okay, they're getting out of boxing,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: but they're dropping baseball.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And that's still And we saw a good
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: example of this speak in baseball when we came out
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: of COVID. Well they had to, they had Fox had
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: to make sure baseball was okay before boxing. You know,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: they they had a much larger investment, but you know,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: way more responsibility. We got to show all these Saturday
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: night and then all of a sudden that went to
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: the side. You know. So yeah, I mean, you hope
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: for the best man HBO, Max tn T that would
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: be phenomenal, but it.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Would probably be good with the history and TNT's kind
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: of got an opening and they've been putting a lot
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: into sports.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: In recent years.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they got the French open now, you know,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: they they bought some of those. They bought what two
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: games or four games maybe in the first run of
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: the college football playoffs. They bought them from ESPN because
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: they know they're going to lose the NBA. So yeah,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. You know, I really hope
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: that it lands someplace because they they But then again,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope, Oh, but what will they do
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: with that deal?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: You know, that's when it always comes down to. He
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: sees the boxing exactly like getting a deal. Of course
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: you got to have it, but then you got to
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: do something with it too, exactly.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: And you just think, like, do they really have enough
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: fighters that forty dates are going to be really great?
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe they would go back to the old school
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: double header or triple header, you know, and then off
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: stream that stuff, and so it wouldn't be a long
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: super long card and it would just be a good
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: double headers. I mean, you never know, you know, I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be against that.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Now. I think there's probably an opening to get back
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: to that. I've been thinking about that a lot.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think people got like us hardcores
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: got so many people got happy that they're able to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: see all the fights and there's something to be said
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: There is, you know, things change. You can't totally say
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: there's not a place.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: For right, but I think it's hidden on the fucking
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: app is where I think those places need to be,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: because you and I will check it out. But when
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: you're on something and it's five to six hours, no
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: one's gonna give a shit about those fights.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Man, that's actually going to do more damage than good.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it's starting to do more. It's starting to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: do more damage. It has, it really has because people
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: even with this main card thing, which frankly took from
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: the UFC, and I don't even like that stuff. Forget
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: even main card. Just separate out what what they're calling
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: the prelims now, right, that doesn't even have to be
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: the same night or anything, and you know, just just
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: have your double triple header max, you know, of quality
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: matchups really want to see. Yeah, and then tell everybody
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: exactly when it's gonna start. Yeah, you know, you know,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: even when the main event is going to start, stop,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to you know, people with it into
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: watching more than they want to because yeah, these I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: thought about that too, like like we said, and I agree,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: like you can't really make an argument, Oh, you shouldn't
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: televise it at all, you know, working the old days,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: like like really what the equivalent of what you had
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: in the old days? But I'm looking back on this,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: there's some value to it, was like, and they weren't
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: doing it into like a crooked bias way. They were
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: doing it in kind of a quality control way. Like
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: for example, like let's say at NBC Sports World showing
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: fights like before the two guys that they're that were
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: going to fight on Sports World, you know, like got
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: on there on that matchup. Like the boxing control person
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: for the network was like was watching all the stuff
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: we watched now like you know what I mean?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Whatever, they have eyes on it, right hey look right then.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: They decide this guy is ready to be on Sports
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: World against me? Yeah right, like not with a just
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a guy that's a terrible matchup and the guy's attack
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: out like a like a real matchup. Like in other words,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: they're both fourteen to know, yeah, now that we're putting
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: together on sports like not that everybody had to watch
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: them against these no hopers for fourteen fights like I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: could these six hour cards. But like we're saying, like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: what you could do nowadays, like you said, like on
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: an app or something like have have like we let
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: a hardcore know when those are on if you want
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: to really really watch them, but they're on their own separately.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: They're not holding up any other cards or anything like that. Like,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: but that was like the old job of like the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: boxing guy at the network.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: M that's just like and even before all these apps
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: popped up and streaming popped up as far as on
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: a platform, bigger platform with a lot of money behind
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: it and networks money sometimes behind it, like Top Rank
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: on their website did stream the other card? You know,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: they would they would stream him. Golden Boy did the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: same thing. Like so I remember Showtime having that uh
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: what did.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: They call it?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Man, I forgot what they called it, but it was
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that type of thing where it was it was before
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: but no, you know, not a lot of people pay
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: attention to it. But there was like two three fights
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, these guys are like a it
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: was like special edition where it's above show box, but
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: there was something to the actual fight at least one
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: of the fights or whatever. But but it wasn't it
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't waiting five hours to get to the card and right,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, I don't I get why
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: hardcores like it, but I think you have to look
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: outside of that. Obviously, you can't just be so selfish
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: to be like oh.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: I and and I get it.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: I get why people look, we get to see every thing,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: but you know, that kind of messes up our prospect
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: to contender stuff too, because before we wouldn't see this
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: guy falter in this against that right exactly, you know, right,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: and it kind of throws us off, you know, yep.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I'm in the just wait until they go against a
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: really quality fighter that I know is a quality fighter.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have too much of an opinion, you know,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do to that.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm almost going back to it doesn't mean
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: everything old was better, but I've been thinking exactly that though,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Like I can't make the argument for not televising them
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: at all, but I think maybely what we want to
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: get back to a little more as fans is right,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: like you know, they're really the networks, you know, should
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: be doing that quality control and then we could just
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: like trust that if it was ideally executed where like again,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: one guy's fourteen and oh now and the other guy's
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: twenty and one or something, and then they're determining, Okay,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: now this is in with our two main fights that night,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: because this is going to be a good one, and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: that may be the first you're seeing them, but they're
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: fighting a real fighter. It's not a no hope. And
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: then you evaluate there as a fan rather than sit
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: there through these six hour cards and like you said,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of times the guy stumbles anyway and ends
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: up not being that good, and you know, you put
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: You've put time into that, so it's like.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they put time.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: We put time, put time, right, Yeah, better to have
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: like a screener. And then when you're at a certain
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: level of quality, you start showing I mean, you know,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: you hate saying it, but in a certain way, I
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: mean that is the way the UFC is working, in
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: the sense of like you.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Make the UFC, like so yeah, yeah, you know, build
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: And then so like you've already had to kind of
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: like make the ufcafore you're shown like they're not you know,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: like that they're determining who's going to make the UFC.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: In other words, and then you've see the guy.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: So because remember HBoL coach from showtime, you know, oh
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: you're okay, you're ready to be an HBO fight. That's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: what it was. Obviously they and then HBO got to
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: the point where like, oh that was a great fight,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: we'll take the rematch, you know, like, and that always
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: didn't work for him. But and don't get me wrong,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: there were plenty of fighters that were good enough and
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: high level enough to be on HBO. You know, that's
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: not what we're saying. They're definitely they definitely missed great fights,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: you know, by only having a certain amount. But this
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: was the this was the most popular top of the
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: line stuff. So I did like like like when everyone
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: got deals, then then it was like how many cars
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: do we have? You know, And that's when it got
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: really watered down. And so the mid level fight for
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: a while while was like, Wow, these mid level fights
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: are getting attention. This is great, and these are good
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: competitive fights that are casual. But like, but it just
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: it's just so much of it now, And there's times
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: where I'll be sitting on the side and be like, oh,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: that's right, that's this weekend.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, you know, And he just reminded me. Like
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Steven Espinosa, who's obviously was at the top of it.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: He even said like five years ago, and he's right,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: it's just basically what you're saying. Chris, Like he was
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: right about this. He felt like the casual fan in
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: part what was gone because the casual fan had no
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: idea what to watch at this point. And and you know,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: that's like what you're saying, Like, you know, a casual
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: seeing all these cards and all this prelim and and
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: all these six cards, and the casuals like, who am
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: I supposed to be watching here?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Who's supposed to be good?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: And all they got to do is see a few
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: boring fights or no hopers and casual you know.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, it's a tight game fourth corner.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's getting the casual fan.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a we're in a we're
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: in a weird spot right now. It's kind of like
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: this year's been like either really good or like, oh boy,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: this is we got you know, like after this weekend,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: it does drop off until July, you know, and even
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: the Jake Paul Chavez Junior, like say what you want
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: about that fight? They are filling in some undercard fights
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: that I'm like, at least there's something there. I'll give
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: him credit there. But uh yeah, it's been kind of
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: like a hurry up and wait, you know type of
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: year where you're just like, oh my god, this is
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: great for two or three weeks, and then it's like, okay,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: oh that was pretty good. Oh that undercard is pretty good.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then it oh yeah, I like this,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: and then it just kind of falls back and it's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: been a weird year. Hasn't been horrible by any stretch,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: but it's just been strange. And after this weekend, like
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: I said, some of the undercard fights, you know, intrigued me.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's until we get to July it does
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: get it gets a little slow, you know.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like this year we're missing and
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: it's part of where the sports at not enough fights
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: where you're just like plain old you see the matchup
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that that's a good fight. You know,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: I need to I need to see that. You know
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: that that's a hell of a fight. I mean we're
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: not we're not getting a lot of those. I mean,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: I like Usik du Bois too. I Mean we just
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: saw recently. But I do like the fight, but so
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't have us sensibilities. But I mean, like,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's a good fight. Not that many you're not that.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Many of the tailors Toronto on Netflix. That'll be a
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: good night. You know, you know it's gonna be a
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: good fight, and you know Netflix it's gonna do numbers.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: So that's rough. But yeah, it's it's just it's been
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: kind of weird, and you know there's something to be said,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: and I know I'm gonna get some ship for this,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: but you know, stack cards are great. However, if you
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: take some of those and make them in the main events,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, but man, it sure could last longer.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want shitty under cards, but do I need
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: five fights that I'm like, yeah, I think it's awesome
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: that night, but if you don't follow up on it,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: then it's like, damn, maybe we should have just had
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: that a triple header and then you know, scheduled a
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: month and a month or so. I don't know, it's weird.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: It's it's I think we're just in a weird time
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: where we're just thinking about all sorts of ship and
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: it's like I don't know, there's no like right answer
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: or what what what where is it gonna be? But yeah,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: it's it's in a weird spot. And and people just
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: still don't get the Desonne thing where it's like even
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: if it has a ton of money behind it, it's
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's just not gonna I don't know.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I still can't believe they haven't made Canel Crawford as
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: far as we don't know where the fight is.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's that's really gotten talking about dropping the
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: fucking ball, you know, Yeah, that's gotten strange.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: And you know it's pretty well reported that there was
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: there was a deal for Netflix on the table. So
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: if he's now trying to get that back, okay, but
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't have dropped the ball on.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: It then you know, like I don't know, Now, that's
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: what the that's what the sport needs, especially in the US.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that would be uh, you know, it
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: would be July and September on Netflix. You know, that's
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: pretty damn good, you know, right, And that would be
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: growth because those are real fights too. It's not what
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: it started out, as you know with the Tyson Paul,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: but it grew into something where you're like, all right,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: these are really good fights, and if you can return
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: some of that audience, that's a positive thing, you know.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: I mean where where you are in the US. You
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: know you got Taylor Sereno three on Netflix. If you
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: were to get Canalo Crawford on Netflix, that's huge for
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: boxing in the US where we're at now. And frankly,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: in a desperate situation, but that's almost like what you need.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: You need something like yeah, circus circus as it is,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: or you take Paul right for the heavyweight title on
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Thatflix like that. I mean, say what you will, but
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: we're desperate time. Desperate times called for desperate measures the
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: old Yeah.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: And they didn't overdo it on the undercard of that
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: Paul Tyson, but now the cod features the main event,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: and who's to say that that couldn't happen again, you know.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: So it's actually a perfect example because that worked.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. It was a circus on top,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: but it was money like it was really the last
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: two fights were very good before the main event. So yeah,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: we'll see any other uh, any last words at all.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's about it.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Now. That's it, Chris. I think we think we got
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: it pretty well covered tonight.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for stopping in, and uh it's
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: nice that our you know, schedules lined up. My schedule
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: has been weird for Tuesdays. But uh, yeah, it was
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: good talking to you. You have a good night.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Good good talking to Chris. Get a good night's sleep
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: to night.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm gonna be up all right, all right,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: I take care, Yeah right, have a good one. Yeah,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: I have a going all right.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: So just kind of following up a little bit like
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 6: I was saying, you know, the jab for Jamal Charlo
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: in that fight real quick?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: Was was was landing really well?
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: And what was it? Like a corner slash doctor recommendation,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: I think is what what was announced? I think I was,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: oh yeah for Hernandez, see I was. I thought John
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: was making some good points, but I don't know. I
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: did think like maybe it's his temperament, but I thought
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: there was I did actually think Hernandez I wouldn't say
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: fully stepped on the gas, but you know, I thought
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: he was. Maybe It's just I really like Hernandez a
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: lot when he showed me I really liked I did.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: I scored eight to four for Plant with Senda's I
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: was kind of about to get into that fight and
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: the body work, those right hooks. He buzzed Plant or
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: at least bothered them, hurt, buzz, bothered whatever it was.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: He did that a couple times, and I remember, I
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: think it was between I think it was after the
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: sixth round. Breadman said the Plant. He's like, hey, if
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: you got to go low, go low, you know. And
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not hating on that, to be honest with you.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: Some people think that's dirty. But there were some low shots,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: but there was just a lot of body shots from
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: the Sindis, So I thought that I really liked what
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: I saw to him. But I do think it may
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: have been kind of what we're saying with Plant, you know,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: just fading. So hopefully Charlotte gets a big fight. It
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: would have been nice to see them, you know, fight.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Keishan Davis, I think he'll I think it
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: win by decision. I think Abdul we'll pretty much handle that.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: I do want to see how good Delonte Johnson is
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: in that matchup, but I am picking the up the
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: minor upset with Albright now as far as like hang
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: on real quick here, all right, I had to. I
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: had to. I had to pause that really quick, having
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: little issues. But we're good. I think we're good. I
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: think we're good. So so I I do you know,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: I'm pumped for Fulton Foster. I think that's just too
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: solid ass fighters man going at it and Fulton, you know,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: re rejuvenating his career in that last fight. So I
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: think that's a great It sounds like that's gonna be
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: a co feature to a rematch, you know, from from
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: Davis and Roach. So I am looking forward to that
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: given my takes on tail Femo though, like and and honestly, like,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not even online right now on Twitter, so maybe
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: he's come out. Maybe I should check that just in case.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's come out and and said something, you know,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: and said, no, that's not true. I haven't I just
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: didn't send back the contract or something. But you know,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: like the thing that the Hans posted, if that is legit,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know, and and that's they just
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: declined the fight, that would be really really wild. It's
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know, there is something and this is the first
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: thing that kind of came to mind, is like, you know,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: people back in the day used to talk about the
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: Winkie Wright School of Boxing Business.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: And someone actually texts me that it's like, you know,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know, man, Like I just don't get it.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned it to start the show about I
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: did think that clearly, you know, clearly that Boots, I
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: believe if that fight was on the table, which it
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: appears to be or appears that it was, you needed
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: to take that shut that fight. That was such a
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: that's such a good opponent for you, and it's big
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: money or whatever, you know, and and I don't know,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: like the little message they put out this is this
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: this to gently advise you that this is to gently
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: advise you that tale female has withdrawn from the fight,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: as we'd like to thank you for your efforts and
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: professoralism throughout the process. Like and like I said, out
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: of his own mouth, he said it was eleven million dollars.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: And you know he was saying to Turkey, hey man,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: my bad. You know, I'm sorry, I should you know
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: clearly something was up. You know, the dictator line from
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: last week and all that, and then he kind of
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: went into peace mode like, hey bro, I'm just trying
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: to whatever he says, you know, make boxing great again.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: It just to shtick. But if it turns out that,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: first of all, it was supposed to be in Sadi
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: was it Sadi time, like, not a pay per view
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever, it was going to be here, because if
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: you were going to go head to head with the
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: PBC event, that's just silly. Now if you're gonna do
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: it during the day, you know, even doing a pay
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: per view during the day, I guess that would you know, whatever,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: but maybe a twenty five dollars one. You can say, hey,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: ours is twenty five, there's a eighty or whatever. But
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: like I said, I thought Boots Ennis should have taken
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: the Virgil Ortiz fight. He wanted to stay at forty seven. Well,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Boots gets to stay. He's the lineal So you can say, oh, unification,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: that's great, but he's the lineal so like you already
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: got the lineal dude, it doesn't matter if you I mean,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it doesn't matter. But ultimately, like if
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: you collect all the belts, man, that's awesome. Undisputed is phenomenal.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: But we all know Tayo Femo is a better fighter
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: to fight right now. And you know, and I can
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: understand Lopez wanting that fight if he was gonna take it,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: because you know, he'd have a chance to to be
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: a three time lineal champ. Like that's a big deal.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: So I can see why that was on the table first.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: And Boots is the one who turned it down, which
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with. I thought Boots should take that fight. However,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: if the backup is hany and it sounds like you know,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: and this is Devin Haney's words, the fight with Tao
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: is not signed. I signed my part. Tayo has been
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: staln as of today. He decided he doesn't want to fight.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: He said he's the you know, official biggest duck or whatever,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: and he said, I want you know, I wanted to
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: fight at forty seven. He wanted at forty So there again,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: so you can fight Boots, who has more power than
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: you know. Now you can say, well, either way, he
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: has more power at forty seven, okay. So so you're
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: willing to go fight Boots because it was lineal, but
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: then not fight at forty seven just because lineal is
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: not on the line. Kind of strange, but whatever, you're
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: the champ at forty okay. So he said, we negotiated
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: to meet at forty five. Even though you know he
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: was willing to fight Boots at forty seven. So I
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: just don't understand why why he didn't want to. I mean,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: I hate using the word duck, and you know, like
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: I really hardly ever used a you know, maybe adverse
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: instead of just a freight or whatever, but like to
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: not out of his own mouth, eleven million dollars to
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: fight Devin Hainey, who you know can be hit, right
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: and everyone could be hit I'm not saying that, but
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: you know there's holes in his defense. But you also
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: know you can't cut off the ring or whatever as well.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but the whole I just if you're
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: out there saying you want Boots, he turned it down,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you have a problem with
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: Turkey and then you delete and then you say, oh no, man,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: I'm peaceful, dude. Just you know, my bad, my bad,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and then you try to get the fight
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, nah, you're not getting the fight.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: You turn if you turn down eleven million, like the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: deal that you would have to have lined up to
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: turn down eleven million, like the guarantee three to five
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: fight deal that you'd have to line up to to
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: not fight for eleven million dollars. I don't get it.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: I understand that it was lineal with boots, but holy shit, dude,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: if tail female, I mean, it's really hard not to
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: call this a not to call it a duck, you know,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: very hard not to call it a duck, because what
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: else would it be? You know, what else would it be?
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: And also we heard Nick Ball and Louis Neary was planned.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: This came from Lacasa Boxing Club that that it was
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: planned for the undercard of Haini Lopez. So hopefully that
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: gets put someplace. They probably still have a card on
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: that date. But I don't know, man, It's this is
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: some serious drawn like what are you doing with your career? Dude?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: That's what it was kind of funny when I saw
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: and I see h Android uppercut public negotiations with the
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: big you know emoji laughing. I mean, it's just and
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: then also him saying, and you know, career melpractice to
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: have this one on the same day as Tank Roath,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: even on the same day at different times during the
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: afternoon and night, it's still kind of weird, you know,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: it's still be kind of weird.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I really don't know. Adrian Delgado
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: follow him at Adrian d eight nine two six before
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: we found out that it isn't happening that matchup, he said,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: quick turnaround for both fighters. I like this matchup between
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: two boxers in their prime. Interesting matchup that I believe
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: slightly favors Hani due to his range, distance control. But
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: Lopez is so explosive counterpuncher, especially at the middle age.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: Can't wait. That broke it down pretty well. And it's
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: a fight that is you know, it's very like it's
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: meaningful to these guys, man, And you know, I don't know, man,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: I just I just yeah, I mean, if he turns
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: this it was if you turn this down, dude, Like
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not crazy about it being in Sadi,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: but if it's that night, you might as well have
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: it in Sadi. But yeah, I just I don't know, man,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not a big they're all ducking
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: boogieman and all that shit. I think business makes the fights,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: but it's like I see them out of Zoe's mouth
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: that Turkey offered him. You know, so what the fuck
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: is he gonna say? Now? You know, probably some stupid shit, right.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: We know he's been really good at that. I did see.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: Speaking of boxing just in general, this rue is from
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: Luki on boxing scene. Fenway Park to host the first
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: boxing event since nineteen fifty six. The Nolan Brothers Boxing
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: take the ambitious Leap as the regional boxing based promotion
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: to you know, have an ambisious card at the park.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of cool, you know, I always like
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: different stuff. And also, the California State Athletic Commission did
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: rule a no contest. They voted unanimously on you know,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: on the novarette Suarez thing. Obviously you'd wish it could
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: just be an actual decision, but excuse me, I didn't
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: think that was gonna happen. So I didn't really ever,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really ever think like I thought
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: it would just be a no contest. And you know,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: it sounds like the sanctioning belt is saying, let's have
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: a rematch, and really, so I think that's that's important there.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good, good rematch fight. Other news,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: No Donaire is returning to Fort June fourteenth at age
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: forty two against Campos. That's for some interim strap, so
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: you know, to each his own. You know, it is
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: what it is. Uh, you know, should don't never keep
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: fighting out? You know, probably not, but it is what
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: it is. This is a tweet from a few days
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: ago from Teo Female to his excellency. I take full
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: responsibility for my inappropriate words on the x app. I apologie.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: I apologize to he His excellency is what that is.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: I will conduct myself with a greater respect, humility of professionalism.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sending love and light to all. Thank you
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: make boxing great again. And it is funny how you
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: know the reasons why, you know, like Turkey got mad
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: at him, not not for all the racist shit he
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: was doing, but he was mad because you know, the
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: dictators shouts out to Mike McCollum rip really you know
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: very uh, I don't know, to me kind of undervalued overall,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: but big ass puncher as me.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: Also, I kind of forgot to mention this. Julius Caesar
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: Martinez could not continue. I think it was what the
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: eighth round, Munez looked like he you know, there was
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: some sort of forearm or arm, some sort of wrists,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: some sort of injury there. And someone pointed out that
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: you know it was his first fight back from a PD.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: You know thing I did like that Edgar Berlanga, Caleb
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: plant Pack smoking on the pat. That was pretty funny.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I will say that Matt from brunch Boxing during the
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: fight with one thing about bread Man, he will let
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: us fetter his ass beat like he took the fight,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: like he took the fight to go the distance. And
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: that's like, I mean, you're not that far off, you know.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Oh and then Jimi Mungia filled a vada tests. Did
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: I did that already happen or that happened the last
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: show I did it? Either way, you do have to
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: start looking at that camp in general. Canelo says, we
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: believe in Jimi Mungia, who will surely clear this up soon.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: And I want to be very clear that Eddie Renosa
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't give doesn't give him settlements. Eddie is solely dedicated
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: to training him. So I guess Eddie's like, hey, go
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: have some tacos, oh gayos and koy fot too. I
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: forgot about at it it it you know, it flipped
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: this time. But yeah, I totally forgot about that fight.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: I did get a message earlier a couple of days ago.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Actually I did forget to mention that fight. And there
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: was also a close fight with Gabrielle uh gull yas.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was Medina that was. I saw a
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: good chunk of that fight. I didn't see every round,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: but I did see a chunk of that, so that, Yeah,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: that was kind of interesting. But yeah, khalil Cooy definitely,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: you know, did his thing and also did I mention MJ.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Once John came, I kind of forgot. Yeah,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: MJ got a win, so you know, I think it's
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: what September he's gonna take on He's gonna take it
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: was castile, right, I think he stopped him in the
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: was an eighth or ninth round something like that. But
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: Khalilkoy definitely, you know, definitely was letting some stuff go.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: I did I did forget to mention that on that
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: on that card, So we're on the car A card itself. Whatever.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think that's about it pretty sure.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: Is there any other Let me check my messages to
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: see if I got anything else or question or oh
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: I did I did get this? It says Pakiao is
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: a screenshot Pakio was saying that, oh that it's not
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: a one off. I did see someone tweet this. I
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: think it was I can't remember. It could be this tweet.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: I can't see who tweeted it, though, he says, I'm back.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: He said it's not a one off. Pakiov said, it's
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: not a one off. I'm back, like, oh, okay, And
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know. I just can't
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: get out of my mind how he looked against Ugas
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: and even seeing clips of that that damn exhibition. He
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, I really don't know. Ry
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: says about so Remy said tweeted tail one and Boots
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: at forty seven, but at forty seven, fifty four, but
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: won't fight Haine at forty seven. Can't make this shit up.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: And Rye quote tweeted him saying, reminds me of Triple
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: G when he said fifty four to sixty eight except
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: for Andre Board and that's like, yeah, that lines up.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: He did say that he wanted to cry, And I
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: get why. I get why Crawford would be first on
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: the list, you know, coming off that that. You know,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: like he's a big name, right, he's a big big
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: name and you could sell with him. But yeah, if
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: you're willing to go up to fifty four, but you
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: don't even want to fight any at forty seven, and
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: you're you're willing to fight a puncher at I don't know,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: I just this is for some reason. I'm not even
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: gonna say strange reason. He just hasn't wont to fight Hani.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: Like I get some other times where you know, like
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: he fought you know, beat Loma, beat tailor have some
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: other good wins in there. No doubt the Camboss thing
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: was weird or whatever, but it's like, yeah, I'll just
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: keep repeating myself. I just can't believe if in fact,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: from here on out, not here on out, but just
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: in general, if he's not fighting him in August, it's
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: hard not to call it a duck. Dude. You know,
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: you're up there saying my bad sorry, singing like that
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: meme in court. Dude's saying sorry, I'm sorry. He's singing
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: like and then you're gonna turn around and and just not.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: It's just it's really bad, dude, Like this is that
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: this would go down as a full on duck. Know
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: if ands or butts about it anyway, I'm gonna get
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: out of here enjoy the fights. I feel like it's
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: pretty good for next Tuesday. You never know, life gets
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: in the way, but we'll see you next week either way.