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4 Ohio State Defensive Backs To The Portal: How Will The Buckeyes Fill Those Spots? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Tuesday, December fifth time, your host
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  Tom Moore. The Cotton Bowl game against Missouri is in twenty four days,
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  the game against Michigan in three hundred and sixty one days. Did I forget
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  to write down and have to do the math in my head on the Cotton
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  Bowl game? Listen? I don't know. We don't have time to talk
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  about that because we were in a big hurry to do this show. Here's
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  why we're talking about Ohio State players who are in the transfer portal, and
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  we want to make sure this gets recorded and posted before another player jumps in
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  the transfer portal and if the right guys are going in right now, we
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  only have about twelve minutes, so we are going to hustle through this with
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  our buddy Tony Gerdam and Tony let's start. I was very proud of myself.
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  I made a list and then I checked it and I had gotten every
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  single player who has entered the portal so far, twelve buck Eyes in the
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  portal at all as well already, as well as running back Mine Williams,
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  who's declared for the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. He's out for the season
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  with an injury, so mine Williams's career done. That is an NFL draft
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  thing, not a transfer portal thing. Here are the buck Eyes who are
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  in the transfer portal ready, go quarterback calm Accord. If you want to
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  hear more about coylem accord strengths, where you can listen to the two hour
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  live show that Tony and Gerdaman and I did on the Buckeye Weekly podcast on
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  Monday morning. Running back Evan pryor wide receiver Julian Fleming. You want to
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  hear about that, you can listen to the emergency podcast that Tony and Kevin
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  Noon did on Monday afternoon. Why offensive lineman Vic Cutler, offensive lineman Jacob
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  James, defensive lineman and Murray Abor linebacker, Reed Karrico. Cornerbacks Jay R.
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  Brown, quarterback, Ryan Turner, safety Cam Martinez, safety Kay Stokes,
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  kicker Parker Lewis. Tony, that's it for the moment. I want
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  to talk though about the defensive backs. Four defensive backs already in the portal
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  for Ohio State. That is not a place. You know, they had
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  pretty good depth there. Recently, it feels like they kind of go through
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  years where the boy, they've got a great depth in that defensive back room.
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  And then all of a sudden, like you know, Jansen Dunn and
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  Andre Tarantine in that whole group, like all transfer out at the same time.
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  It's like, oh boy, they're really thin at safety again. You're
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  kind of getting into that same situation again now with Ohio State. So I
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  want to kind of go through j or Brian gone, Ryan Turner gone,
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  and Martinez gone, High Stoke's gone. It feels like Denzel Burke probably headed
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  to the NFL Draft, so you know, if he opts out, it
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  feels like they might be pretty thin in the secondary for the Cotton Bowl against
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  Missouri. Yeah, very thin. And just looking back at that twenty twenty
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  one class, got Jalen Johnson in there as well, and then the safety
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  and you may not have anybody back from that class depending on what Jordan Hancock's
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  Hancock does and obviously as what Denzel Burke does, those would be like the
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  last two holdouts from that twenty twenty one class, basically wiping out an entire
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  senior class of defensive backs. And so, yeah, the Cotton bol is
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  gonna be fascinating for a number of reasons. I'm at this point, I
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  am not expecting Denzel Burke to play because I do expect him to head to
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  the draft, and so that's the norm. Now it's going to be very
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  interesting. We might see gosh, you'll see us sophomore starting Davis Nigbinosen.
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  We know, like he's probably doing pretty well. He's okay. But I
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  don't think you can never get too confident. I don't think you can get
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  too confident anymore about who is going to be here, who is going where.
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  You just know you can't add anybody for the game. You can only
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  lose players at this point. Yeah, that you had someone ask me,
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  so if Kyle McCord has gone, could he go play in a bowl game
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  for someone else? No? No, Florida State cannot add Kyle McCord for
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  the for the Orange Bowl. That is that is not allowed. It would
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  be a next year thing. So they so without being able to add anyone
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  else, they are going to be a little thin. And I do want
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  to run through real quick the four guys because we have not really talked about
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  any of these four guys. We talked about Cam Martinez on a previous show,
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  but cornerback Ryan Turner he announced hisn his decision on Sunday night, and
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  then Monday or late Saturday night less late Sunday night, j R. Brown
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  and Kay Stokes but announced their decisions. The first thing I did on Monday
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  morning was ten, you ad text, Oh, we got to do a
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  show on these these all these defensive backs transferring, And then the Colm record
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  thing happened, and then so now we're getting to it on the Tuesday Morning
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  show. It's been a heck of a week already, friends, welcome to
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  Once the season ends, things get nice and slow, right, Well,
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  maybe maybe not. So we've already talked a little bit about Cam Martinez.
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  Ryan Turner was someone who you just you never really saw him on the field
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  except for the closing minutes of games. So he you know, that was
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  that was not a big surprise. Kay Stokes and Jay R. Brown,
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  those are both people that I think a year ago, you know, early
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  twenty twenty two season, Jay R. Brown made a start against Wisconsin.
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  Kay Stokes was someone who really sort of jumped out during the spring game.
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  Those guys both seemed like they were people with pretty bright futures. And then
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  it's a twenty twenty three season, rolled on it felt like you sort of
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  started seeing those guys get past. It felt like Calvin Simpson Hunt was kind
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  of making a move at the corner position and maybe passing jay R. Brown
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  there. Malie Hartford, the true freshman, came in certainly seemed like he
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  has, you know, had taken one of those starting safety spots potentially for
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  twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four and beyond. It just it feels like
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  Jay R. Brown is one of those names that I hadn't necessarily thought of
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  as someone who might hit the portal and Stokes as well, But when you
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  thought about it, it was kind of like, yeah, I kind of
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  I kind of get it well, and you look at that what they've done.
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  Kay Stokes has played in three games this year. He played in three
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  of the last four and nothing before then, and I think there may have
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  been some injuries there, but yeah, once you get passed by, they
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  bring it, bring somebody in from the portal. There you've got the the
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  young guys playing. As you said with Malie Cartford and the same thing with
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  Jyr Brown played four games this year and was a guy who I think played
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  in maybe all but one or two last year. On defense and had games
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  of forty snaps sixty snaps. Obviously the start against Wisconsin, but that was
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  done is only significant action. But then you see this this year, kind
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  of relegated to a backup as a nickel. And when your top two nickels
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  at Ohio State are Sunny Styles and Jordan Hancock, there's not really going to
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  be much room for three or four. And Jayra Brown and Kim Martinez kind
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  of shared that extra role. And you bring in obviously Davison nig Banosen as
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  a corner and that pushes jay a Brown back as well. So yeah,
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  it's it's at least I think the benefit for both of those guys is they
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  played last year, but they they'll use their red shirt this year and they'll
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  hit their next teams with the three years to play as red shirt sophomores next
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  year. And it is interesting. I think when you're losing pretty talented players
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  for not playing, I think that's a sign of what you have already.
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  But also I don't think you can ever throw out nil as a reason,
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  because everybody's looking for something, it's playing time, it's nil. And if
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  you can't offer either of those things, or you can only offer one and
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  somebody else can offer two. The math gets pretty simple, and I think
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  a lot of those guys are going to go somewhere where they could potentially start
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  right away. And that is, you know, not necessarily going to be
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  a team that's going to go eleven and one in a Power five conference next
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  year, but you could get an opportunity to start. You potentially, you
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  know, start putting some good film out there for the NFL. You potentially
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  line yourself up for a decent NIL deal. That that kind of all I
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  think, you know, it all sort of makes sense. You wonder if
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  they had had the injury issues in the secondary that this year that they had
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  last year, how many of those guys are staying because they've played a whole
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  bunch more Jy R. Brown played because basically the whole cornerback room was like
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  decimated by injury a year ago. They were really healthy there for the most
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  part this season, outside of a few individual games here and there. So
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  you know, you wonder how much that plays in it Looking forward now,
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  I think I sat down and I thought, Okay, I think I can
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  get a pretty good grasp on who's going to be in the you know,
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  who's going to play in the Cotton Bowl, and then maybe looking ahead even
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  to the twenty twenty four season. So stop me if you hear anything here
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  that you strongly disagree with Davis. And you know, we're sort of assuming
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  denzil Burke may opt out, So we're going to leave Denzel Burke out of
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  this conversation for now. Davis and Enigmuinosen, Jermaine Matthews, Jordan Hancock at
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  the corner positions with Calvin Simpson hunt as your top backup. Any disagreement there,
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  Nope, I've got that as well, unless they want to put Jordan
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  Hancock on the outside, But then it's like, what do you do on
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  the inside? Yeah, I don't know that there's a quick and easy solution
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  if they move. If they do move Jordan Hancock outside, and he's talked
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  about playing outside, He's talked about the fact that he came in, you
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  know, recruited as a slot corner. That's where he played this year,
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  that sort of slot corner slash safety role. You wonder if is this going
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  to be a Sean Wade situation where he wants to come back, but he
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  wants to come back to go play outside. Because that's a little bit you
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  know, more of a desired role in the NFL. That's all. That's
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  all still to be determined. But okay, so that's where you have the
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  four corner spots there. You know, there are the four top names at
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  corner there potentially for this Bowl game with the four guys out the door already.
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  In terms of the adjuster position, that's a deep safety position. That's
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  the one that Josh Proctor has played all year. I think there's a pretty
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  good argument for Josh Procter. He's obviously out of eligibility. I think there's
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  a decent argument for him to play in the game and not opt out.
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  Just put some more good film out there potentially against what should be a pretty
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  good Missouri passing offense. If he does not play, and certainly for the
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  twenty twenty four season, that feels like that is going to be Malie Hartford's
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  spot next year. Agree, Yeah, that's I would agree with that.
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  It is interesting now that we talk about who in terms of who ops,
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  it used to be the first rounders, you know, the top of the
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  first round. Now it's anybody with an NFL decision. And for Josh Proctor,
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  who has been injured as much as he has. You've made it this
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  far. You wonder like, Okay, I've made it. I'm done.
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  I'm going to go get ready for the NFL Draft because I came back to
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  play a full year as a healthy person. He did that, and now
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  it's like it is it time to let's not risk anything the rest of the
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  way and let's just get to the draft prep. That would be maybe a
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  surprise, and it's not what you would expect from somebody who's not going to
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  be a first rounder. But his situation is I think a little bit different
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  than just about everybody else's with his injuries. But I am expecting him to
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  play. This is, again, as you said, another opportunity to put
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  some stuff on film. And then yeah, Sonny at the Sunny Styles at
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  the strong safety would be what I guess makes sense at this point. The
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  question I have tom what's up with lath and Ransom not just now but also
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  next year? That is the next question, and frankly, this is my
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  show. I will ask the questions here, sir Tony, we got to
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  talk about the bandit position. I do wonder you know, at Sunny Styles,
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  I don't think that's going to be where Sunny Styles is next year.
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  I don't know that that's the best fit for him. I think that that's
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  somewhere where they put him because they needed someone because lath and Ransom got hurt.
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  I think you're probably better off having him play a little closer to the
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  ball potentially, whether that's at a linebacker spot next year, or you know,
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  you saw him play some of that that slot corner spot, that nickel
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  spot this year, so maybe that's that's where he is. But a lot
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  of the Cotton Bowl conversation and a lot of the next year conversation at that
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  banded spot centers around lath and Ransom, that foot injury. He was potentially
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  going to be ready for the Color Football Playoff. Now that it's not a
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  college football playoff game, does that kind of get a well, keep them,
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  you know, keep them on the shelf, get him healthy for either
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  a potential NFL draft declaration or for coming back for twenty twenty four. That
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  to me feels like that might be the single biggest question facing Ohio State right
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  now. I mean, for the for the Cotton Bowl suore, but you
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  know, in terms of the secondary, for sure, for the twenty twenty
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  four season, because if Lathan Ransom comes back, that would be that would
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  solve a major, major question for this defense. Yeah, I would,
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  And he's again that has seen it all and done it all and has been
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  good at multiple positions, but has been really good this past season as the
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  strong safety. I think there is also another question out there, Tom,
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  with Jermaine Matthews just tweeting a simple money bag and causing a stir as to
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  what that means and this day and age, it could mean anything, and
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  it could mean absolutely nothing, and most things on Twitter do mean nothing.
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  So just something else for people to be concerned about in terms of trying to
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  interpret the meanderings and the emojiing of teenagers. But if they can get Lathan
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  Ransom back, I think you feel a lot better about this defense because obviously
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  he's a very talented guy, knows the defense. And what do you do
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  if you don't have him next year? Because I'm with you, like I
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  don't think Sunny Styles has even said his future is probably closer to the line
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  of scrimmage than the secondary, and so then I think Millie Carfort is in
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  there somewhere. But is there a free safety out there. Is there a
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  strong safety out there. What is gonna happen with Jahad Carter? Is he
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  coming back? Is he going to hit the portal looking for some playing time?
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  And again I don't like, we don't like to speculate about portaling,
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  but anymore, that's just the way of the world, especially for somebody who
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  has already transferred once. And then one last thing, Tom with these young
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  guys that transfer out as second year guys or third year guys, you can
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  then go you don't you don't have to go a level up. You can
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  go a level down, play a bunch, put some good stuff on film,
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  graduate, and then go as a grad transfer wherever you want. And
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  so it doesn't necessarily have to be this next stop is your last topic,
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  can just be your next stage to prepare you for your next and final collegiate
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  stop. And that all goes into why we probably need to update the style
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  guide to amend our transfer portal speculation on transfers policy, that we don't want
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  to do that in advance because it's not fair to the players. It feels
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  like at this point, if you're not starting, everyone's just sort of kind
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  of looking at that and going, well, where are you going to transfer
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  next because you're not starting and you've been on campus for three and a half
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  weeks. So yeah, joh Hod Carter is an interesting question as well because
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  did not play a lot this year, but was banged up, missed a
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  bunch of the spring, miss some time this fall. He's probably in that
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  mix somewhere if he especially if Lathan Ransom can't go in the Cotton Bowl,
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  you probably see some Jahad Carter there, assuming he's still on the team at
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  that point, could be in the mix of for twenty twenty four. Might
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  depend on Lathan Ransom. There's there's a lot of a lot of moving pieces
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  here and a lot of different things to keep an eye on. We will
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  end up, I'm guessing, probably doing these types of shows for several other
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  positions. Boy, we could do a wide receiver show right now with Julian
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  Fleming in the portal and Marvin Harrison and na Mecca Abuka both draft eligible.
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  What might happen in the Cotton Bowl? What might happen in twenty twenty four?
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  That's a whole separate, interesting, interesting conversation running back room. Boy,
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  there's you know what is Trevon Henderson going to do because they've already lost
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  Mine Lames to the draft and Evan prior to the portal, so things are
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  getting a little thin there as well. This is a boy, There's going
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  to be a lot of stuff to talk about. I feel like I just
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  was sort of reflexing, reflexively checking Twitter just to make sure no one else
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  has entered the portal. Since since we started recording, former Clemson clem and
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  wide receiver Bo Collins, former Ohio State recruit, tends to tells ESPN that
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  he intends to enter the NCAA transfer portal about to visit Notre Dame. Oh
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  boy, lots of lots of news. We're going to stop recording now before
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  we have to do a breaking news podcast within a within a an existing podcast,
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  So make sure you guys follow find us at Buckeyehuddle dot com. Make
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  sure you go through and you want to hear more about the Colum record saga.
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  You can watch two hours of Tony and I talking about that on Monday
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  morning on YouTube dot com slash Buckeye Huddle. We will probably have another show
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  on whatever is next for the Ohio State foot quarterback position coming up at some
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  point relatively soon as well as all the other good stuff you can find at
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  bucke huddle dot com. That will do it for today. Thank you guys
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  all for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to tomorrow