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The Late Debate | 30 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the late base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with the Nika, the Georgio and Caleb
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  Speaker 3: Bond And normally we talk about Dnika's fashion, but Caleb
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  Speaker 3: is wearing Sidney Harbor socks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I am, indeed, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: We had your foot cam the other night, shoecam. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know whether you can get sock cam going here,
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  Speaker 4: but yes, indeed you can see the Sydney Harbor Bridge
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  Speaker 4: and somewhere underneath the boot there is the Opera House.
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  Speaker 3: So did you purchase the Sydney Harbor socks or were
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  Speaker 3: they a gift?
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  Speaker 1: I bought them.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you're not not impressed by Sydney Harbor socks.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think I think they're very fashionable. Caleb is
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  Speaker 5: actually a very fashionable man. You are, so when you
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  Speaker 5: come into the office you always look very smart.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you this stuff. They tell
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  Speaker 1: you for me.
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  Speaker 6: Great, the ladies will tell you.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the show. Is what's coming up?
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has had enough of
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  Speaker 3: the Nimby's Apparently the biggest stops to call to solving
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: the house than crisis isn't decades of government incompetence. It's
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: people who don't want a twelve story apartment block overlooking
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  Speaker 3: their barbecue. UK police refused to investigate the leader of
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  Speaker 3: the Greens after he reposted what many took to be
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  Speaker 3: a death threat against Nigel Farage. Hate speech is perfectly acceptable,
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: it seems, provided you're hating the right people. And we
• 1:19
  Speaker 3: all know school shootings are a problem in the United States,
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: for the latest proposal to keep kids safe sounds less
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  Speaker 3: like education policy and more like the opening scene of
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  Speaker 3: terminator attack drones.
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  Speaker 2: Patrolling school highway hallways.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into all of that shortly, but first we
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  Speaker 3: need to agree on a mandatory retirement age for pop stars.
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  Speaker 3: We've got one for judges, we have one for airline pilots.
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  Speaker 3: Surely we can all agree on a mandatory retirement age
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  Speaker 3: for raging rocks aging rock stars before they become their
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  Speaker 3: own tribute acts. Madonna, for instance, she used to be cool,
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  Speaker 3: but watching a sixty seven year old Madonna riving around
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  Speaker 3: in lingrei is less like a virgin and more like
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  Speaker 3: someone's grandma has escaped from a nursing home.
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  Speaker 7: Talent quest, Do you care.
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  Speaker 3: Or what about Barry Manilow, he no longer writes the
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  Speaker 3: songs that make the whole world sing at eighty three,
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  Speaker 3: he just makes has a face rather that makes the
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  Speaker 3: whole world wonder whether botox is now available by the Lita.
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  Speaker 3: And do not get me started on Rod Stewart. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think he's sexy? Or are you just relieved he's
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  Speaker 3: still got a pulse? And as if that wasn't enough,
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  Speaker 3: this week, the Beach Boys have canceled thirty concerts because
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  Speaker 3: eighty five year old front man Mike Love needs to
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  Speaker 3: and I quote recharge at eighty five. You're not recharging,
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  Speaker 3: you're updating your next of kin. The farewell to has
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  Speaker 3: become a permanent business model for rock stars. Every year,
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  Speaker 3: it's one last chance to see the legends. At this point,
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  Speaker 3: the only thing ending is the audience patience. Here's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Pop stars don't belong to themselves. They belong to us.
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  Speaker 3: Their songs are woven into our lives. They're the soundtrack
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  Speaker 3: of first loves, weddings, breakups, road trips. They remind us
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  Speaker 3: of who we were. But every time another aging rockers
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  Speaker 3: squeezes into leather pants, it should have been retired. During
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  Speaker 3: the Phraser Government. They don't just remind us that they've
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  Speaker 3: grown old. They remind us that we have two and
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  Speaker 3: that they get paid for that. Well, it's frankly wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Rock Stars should hang up the microphone the moment they
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  Speaker 3: turn sixty. No exceptions apart from Billy Joel and Eldon
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  Speaker 3: John Knocker.
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  Speaker 5: That wasn't real, James mcphershon McPherson special man. I just
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  Speaker 5: say that was that was one of your I loved that.
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  Speaker 5: I love the way that you wrote that. That was
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  Speaker 5: absolutely brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not impress you. I'm trying to make a very point.
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  Speaker 6: No, I actually disagree with you.
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  Speaker 5: I say good on these rockers for still rocking away.
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  Speaker 5: These are true hardcore musicians and they do it not
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  Speaker 5: just for the love and the fans love it, but
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  Speaker 5: they do it as well because they're so passionate still
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  Speaker 5: about the songs. I actually feel quite sorry for Rod
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  Speaker 5: Stewart because Rod has been performing. He came to Australia twice.
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  Speaker 5: I think in the last five years. He's still out
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  Speaker 5: there singing the classics. And you know what, people are
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  Speaker 5: going to pay to see him because his albums are
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  Speaker 5: the soundtracks of their lives. They go there to feel nostalgic,
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  Speaker 5: that they go there to absolutely love it. As for
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  Speaker 5: the Beach Boys, look, okay, I don't know why anyone
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  Speaker 5: would want to see the Beach Boys without Brian Wilson.
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  Speaker 5: You know, realistically, Herman's Hermit's, you know, Herman's Hermits. Caleb,
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  Speaker 5: you would have no idea, James. They recently just toured
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  Speaker 5: Australia without their lead singer. Again, I don't know why
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  Speaker 5: you would bother coming back if you don't.
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  Speaker 4: It's a bit like Queen performing without Freddie Mercury, right like.
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  Speaker 5: It just it works.
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  Speaker 6: I think it works.
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  Speaker 5: I The only band, the only like oldies band that
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  Speaker 5: I opted out of, was about I reckon nine years
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  Speaker 5: ago and it was a Spencer Davis group. You know,
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  Speaker 5: keep on running, Spencer Davis James, Nope, sixties hits.
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  Speaker 6: Our audience would know it.
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  Speaker 5: And after having a look at their recent tours on YouTube,
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  Speaker 5: they were evening Manchester and then it was like keep
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  Speaker 5: on running.
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  Speaker 6: I just they ran out of Steve, so we opted
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  Speaker 6: out of that one. But beyond that, I would still
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  Speaker 6: go and.
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  Speaker 3: See the old don't don't you want to remember them
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  Speaker 3: as they were, not as you know Rod Stuart wheezing and.
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  Speaker 2: Gasping for breath as paramedics.
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  Speaker 4: Look, look, what I'm would say is that perhaps if
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  Speaker 4: you want to perform at that age, you have to
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  Speaker 4: adapt your show to suit your age, like you do,
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  Speaker 4: have to at some point admit that you are an
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  Speaker 4: aging person. Perhaps you can't perform to the same ability.
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  Speaker 2: That you used to.
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  Speaker 4: But on the whole, I think we should show grace
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  Speaker 4: to the aged and in all aspects, graceful in all aspects.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not too well Madonnad's not even hit seventy yet,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, we should show grace to the aged
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  Speaker 4: in all aspects of our lives, and including two.
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  Speaker 1: People who perform.
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  Speaker 4: Now, if you're calling off your shows because you can't
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  Speaker 4: do it, that's unfortunate, but that's a reality of life.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they need to reduce their workload. But in the
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  Speaker 4: last year I've seen Cliff Richard live. He's eighty five
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  Speaker 4: and he was still in pretty good form. The only
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  Speaker 4: thing was when he sang Ocean Deep and he said
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  Speaker 4: to the crowd, look, it's you know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a long song.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm going to bring the lyrics out for this one.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think anyone in the crowd begrudged him
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  Speaker 4: that because he's voice was still.
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  Speaker 1: In pretty good form.
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  Speaker 4: He's a man of eighty five. If he can't remember
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  Speaker 4: all the lyrics, who cares if they've got to bring
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  Speaker 4: the lyrics out for him, because you still got to
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  Speaker 4: watch him perform, and that was a great performance. The
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  Speaker 4: other one I've been to an aged rocker in the
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  Speaker 4: last year Leo Sayer, who's seventy eight. A couple of
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  Speaker 4: months ago, three months ago, three four months ago. I
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  Speaker 4: saw him at the State Theater in.
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  Speaker 1: Sydney, and he is in fantastic form.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, this idea that at sixty years old
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  Speaker 4: you've got to hang up the microphone stop performing, I
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  Speaker 4: think he's really unfair. I think we marginalize old people
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  Speaker 4: too much as it is, and we say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you've got no place left in society. But
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  Speaker 4: you're telling people at the age of sixty they've got
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  Speaker 4: to sail off into the sunset. Why should they sail
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  Speaker 4: off into the sun They've created art and we should
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  Speaker 4: be able to enjoy.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, And so I actually disagree with your argument
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  Speaker 5: as well about Madonna, because that is quintessential Madonna.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care what age she is.
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  Speaker 5: Madonna has always been in the laingerie, the skimpy sort
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  Speaker 5: of outfits, and she's.
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  Speaker 6: Still wanting why not. I don't see what the problem is.
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  Speaker 6: That is her persona, James, I have.
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  Speaker 3: To explain why not buy a ticket?
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  Speaker 6: Correct?
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that sixty year olds should be playing
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  Speaker 3: for the Adelaide Crows.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, of course, so suddenly your agist.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: If you could find me a sixty year old who
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  Speaker 4: could perform as well in the football as a twenty
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  Speaker 4: one year old, being sure, but it's a very different thing.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about a team sport that relies on multiple
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  Speaker 4: people to pull their weight in order to make a
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  Speaker 4: game work. We're talking about here, individuals. We're talking about individuals.
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  Speaker 3: The individuals who are performing far below their best and
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  Speaker 3: yet still paying, still charging premium ticket prices.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well he'd pay for it. This is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: If the afield decided to populate, say the Adelaid Crows
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  Speaker 4: decided to populate the entire team with sixty year olds,
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  Speaker 4: and suddenly we were at the bottom of the ladder,
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  Speaker 4: and feels like.
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  Speaker 1: People would not.
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  Speaker 4: Pay their memberships in the club would be in a
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  Speaker 4: fair bit of trouble. The difference is, though, that you
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  Speaker 4: can have a performer of eighty years old and people
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  Speaker 4: will pay to go and see them because they want
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  Speaker 4: to go and see them. They accept that maybe their
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  Speaker 4: voice isn't the same as it was when they were twenty,
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  Speaker 4: they don't move as well as they did when they
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  Speaker 4: were twenty, but they still want to go and see
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  Speaker 4: their favorite performers do their art.
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  Speaker 1: What's they're wrong with that?
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  Speaker 5: They want to hear the hits of their lifetime. And
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  Speaker 5: I actually think there's something really really special in that,
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  Speaker 5: and it's very special what music can do.
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  Speaker 6: It brings back all of those really you're feelings.
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  Speaker 4: You're your fifty four or fifty five James thereabouts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so in five years time, are you ready to
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  Speaker 1: give it up.
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  Speaker 2: My singing career?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 6: No, this is on the couch.
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  Speaker 2: It depends whether you two are still here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, this is that love?
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  Speaker 6: That'sn't really nice?
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  Speaker 4: That's really nice because I wouldn't leave you.
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  Speaker 1: But no, but it's three years old. Why very different?
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  Speaker 3: When Madonna was performing as a twenty five twenty six
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  Speaker 3: year old and now watching her perform as a sixty
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  Speaker 3: seven year old. There is no comparison on hang on,
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  Speaker 3: and so all those wonderful memories of when you were
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  Speaker 3: young polluted and distoyed because now, no, watching Nana.
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  Speaker 5: You're just offended because you don't like the house she
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  Speaker 5: was dressed.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I was offended. I'm just not.
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  Speaker 6: But that's why you don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm just not sure that it constantly.
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  Speaker 6: You don't like it because she was lingerie entertainment. No, No,
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  Speaker 6: you don't like it because of what she was wearing.
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  Speaker 2: No. Well I had a problem with Rod Stewart as well,
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  Speaker 2: and he wasn't I mean he.
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  Speaker 5: Was wearing but the way, but the way you were
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  Speaker 5: just going it was because you don't like that she
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  Speaker 5: was at her age wearing lingerie.
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  Speaker 3: Well she's still prancing around, yes like this, right, what's
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  Speaker 3: so what's the problem?
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  Speaker 6: But what's the problem with what she was wearing?
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  Speaker 2: You didn't think there was a problem with that. No,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't think it was a little inappropriate. No, you're
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  Speaker 2: willing to grandmother to be dressed like that.
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  Speaker 5: My grandmother's not Madonna.
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  Speaker 6: Seriously, my grandmother is not Madonna. Madonna.
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  Speaker 5: That that is central Madonna you imagine if Madonna walked
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  Speaker 5: out wearing, you know, head to toe cover it up,
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  Speaker 5: people would go, what the hell, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 5: pay to watch this?
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  Speaker 1: Would you pay for? You go to a Madonna concert?
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  Speaker 8: Like?
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  Speaker 4: You know what you're going to get as long as
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  Speaker 4: you don't tune up in lingerie when YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: I won't be going to any of those concerts with
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  Speaker 2: you guys. I'm gonna go and see someone younger.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well, what a shame. We'll have to find something
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  Speaker 4: to go to Denekie.
• 11:27
  Speaker 6: Caleb and I will have a great time together, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who's coming up. Inglebert Humpeting was in
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  Speaker 4: town recently. No, Inglebert Humpting.
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  Speaker 5: Caliber and I like the same music, don't we. We like
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  Speaker 5: the jukebox classes. So Caleb and I would actually happily
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  Speaker 5: go along to a concert together.
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  Speaker 6: We'd have a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But James Jay, it's not Billy Joela Elton John. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't want a bar of it. I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 4: Chris Mins doesn't want to bar the Nimby's. Apparently the
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  Speaker 4: Bloody NIMBYs is going on about so this week Chris Mins,
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  Speaker 4: the Premier of New South Wales, has announced that councils
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  Speaker 4: will have to come up with a plan within the
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: next two years that shows they have thirty years worth
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: of land zoned and available for housing. So basically councils
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  Speaker 4: have to work out that they have thirty years worth
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  Speaker 4: of viable housing, that is, housing that can be affordably
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  Speaker 4: built and then sold available within their council areas. Now,
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  Speaker 4: basically what the state government is trying to do is
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  Speaker 4: to get the councils to radically rezone land so that
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  Speaker 4: they can come up.
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  Speaker 1: With this plan for thirty years worth.
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  Speaker 4: Of housing that could be built within their boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: And in amongst all of this, Chris Mins has complained
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  Speaker 1: that the nimbiz are back.
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  Speaker 4: He says, yes, we're going back to the dark old
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  Speaker 4: days of people trying to protect heritage. Remember the green
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  Speaker 4: bands that went on in the rocks in Sydney that
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  Speaker 4: say that beautiful part of Sydney right next to the Harbor.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they wanted to turn all of that into
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  Speaker 4: high rise apartments and the like. We get to enjoy
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful historic part of Sydney. No, no, no, we're
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  Speaker 4: going back to those bad old days.
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  Speaker 1: As the premiere.
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  Speaker 8: We have regrettably seen a re engagement with that nimby instinct,
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  Speaker 8: often dressed up in language that their area needs a break,
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  Speaker 8: or it's often expressed as that while they support the
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  Speaker 8: idea of development in someone else's area or their patch,
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  Speaker 8: just couldn't touch another house, right.
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  Speaker 4: There are two different versions of the nimby. I think
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  Speaker 4: there are nimby's who just simply don't like anything happening
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  Speaker 4: at any time. The sorts of people who move in
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  Speaker 4: next to a pub and then complain that there is
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: noise emanating from the pub, like, come on, you just
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  Speaker 4: know that that's how things work. They move in next
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  Speaker 4: to a school or a sporting oval and then complain
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  Speaker 4: that there are too many kids making noise. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: come on, you just simply can't do that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But there is what is called a.
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  Speaker 4: Nimby in this context by the premiere, which is someone
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  Speaker 4: who's moved into an.
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  Speaker 1: Area because they like that area, and that area has a.
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  Speaker 4: Certain character and a certain density and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they've bought there.
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  Speaker 4: They love the place, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: the council or the state government turns around and says
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  Speaker 4: sorry about the fact that you spend a lot of
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: money moving into an area that you like because it's
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: nice and has a good neighborhood and looks good, etc.
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  Speaker 4: We're now just going to make it so that you
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  Speaker 4: can have a big apartment building full of dog boxes
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  Speaker 4: go up next door. That is what mister Min's is
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  Speaker 4: talking about. These are the nimbis that he is complaining about.
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  Speaker 4: I think you have every right to be upset and
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: to complain when the state government or the federal government
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  Speaker 4: or the council wants to fundamentally change the face of
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  Speaker 4: your suburb. I mean this idea, well, you know it's
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  Speaker 4: okay to do it in someone else's suburban, not mine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's quite as simple as that either.
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  Speaker 4: It's simply saying that we have our cities set up
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  Speaker 4: as they are.
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  Speaker 2: At the moment.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure we've got to have this discussion about whether
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  Speaker 4: we go up or out. Why do we, for infinity migration,
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: have to say, well, my suburb is now open season
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  Speaker 4: for you to come and do whatever the hell you
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  Speaker 4: want to it and fill it up with apartments because
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  Speaker 4: they let too many people into the country. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that's fair upon the people who live there.
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  Speaker 3: Residents are not selfish for wanting to protect the investment
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  Speaker 3: they've made in their own community. And it's not just
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  Speaker 3: that you don't want apartments everywhere, it's all the infrastructure
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  Speaker 3: that's got to go with that. I mean, once you
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  Speaker 3: have apartments in your suburb, you've got traffic issues, you've
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: got parking issues. All of a sudden, all of the facilities,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: whether it's schools or shops, et cetera, are now overpopulated.
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  Speaker 3: We're in Mossman, and in Mossman there's currently what one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty three apartments under the plannings and approval
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  Speaker 3: stages at the moment, and a lot of people are
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: very unhappy about it because Military Road, for instance, in Mossman,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: for those in Sydney who are familiar, is already shockers
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  Speaker 3: full of traffic.
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  Speaker 2: And now they're putting apartments up.
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  Speaker 3: So they're going to bring a whole lot more people
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  Speaker 3: into an area that is already incredibly crowded.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have lived there.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't, but a lot of people have lived there
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  Speaker 3: a long time and they're not as the premiere inferred,
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  Speaker 3: just you know, grouchy, selfish people with no regard for
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: anyone else. They're people who want to protect a substantial
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: investment they've made and the environment that attracted them to
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: the place in the to the area in the first place.
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: No, I disagree with both of you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: I think it's twenty twenty six is time to get
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: with the program. We have a housing crisis in this country.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: We have a massive supply issue and it's only going
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: to get worse thanks to the fact that not one
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: state can actually achieve Labour's ridiculous standard that it's set
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: in its own National Housing Accord to build one point
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: two million homes by the end of this decade. New
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: South Wales has pledged to build forty thousand. According to
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: New figures, it will reach about half of that by
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: twenty and twenty eight, so well behind the schedule. We
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: cannot get every day ossies into homes and that is
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: fundamentally the problem.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: I am the first person to say we have a
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: migration issue. I have been buying on about this for
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: ages and I'm not talking about migration. I want to
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: talk about that separately. Yes, too many people have been
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: let into this country. That is absolutely one hundred percent
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: the fault of governments. But right now the priority should
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: be getting every day ossies into homes. And if that
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: means building homes, building apartments, building them up instead of
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: building out because we simply don't have the land, then
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I am all for it. And as for these nimbi's,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: if you've got a problem, I'm sorry. I have a
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: problem with the fact that we cannot get people into homes.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: So you just ruin the country.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: What's ruining the country about putting apartment blocks up.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: You're ruining beautiful suburbs.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: You're ruining beautiful parts of Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: But we live in Okay. It's very very different.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Like I come from Perth, Okay. Now in Perth you
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: can build big homes right next.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: To the city.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: In a place like Sydney, you cannot build a big
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: home within a very close proximity into the city. Unless
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: you are a multimillionaire and you're living in places you
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: know Rose Bay, those sorts of areas, then you absolutely can.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: But the odds are when you're living in Sydney or
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: you're living in Melbourne, that you just you're not going
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: to have a big property. You're not going to have
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the two bed, the four bed, two bathroom. It is
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: apartment living unless you want to live out somewhere further.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Fine, So you're telling people who already own a home
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: in the inner city, and we're talking about people who
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: you know where I am in Balmain right, which is
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: now quite trendy and gentrified and whatever, but you don't
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: have to go back that far.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And it was a pretty rough part of Sydney. So
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: if you bought a.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Place in there, you know, on the cheap forty fifty
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: years ago, because you thought, you know, this is a
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: nice place by the water, it's close to the city, whatever.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: And now you're telling those people who are probably you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: seventy odd enjoying their lives. You've just got to cope
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: with the fact that we're going to put up dog
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: boxes next you get over it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Get over it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but we have a supply crisis. We've got
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: to put property to get off where. Yeah, get over it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: We've got to put property somewhere, Caleb, and we are
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: going to have to build more apartments. That's the reality
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: why we need to get We need to make homes quickly,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: and we're not going to achieve any of these targets
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: unless we.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Start building up. We've got no choice.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Why we subsist in this country with having to shoehorn
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: more people into already bulging cities. You look at our
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: capital cities, particularly Sydney and Melbourne, and they are overrun
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and we are obsessed with shoehorning more people into them.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Why don't we send people out further, put them away
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: from the camp We're.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Talking about every day Australians. I'm not talking you, We're
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: talking about migrants. I have an issue with the migration rate.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Let's I'm going to make that very clear. I've had
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: a migration and I stand by my record on this channel.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: I've said a million times on this channel.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: But every day I was is you can't.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Just expect people to go out and live an hour
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: or two outside of the city, Caleb. I think that's
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: a very very unfair expectation, right.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: They make every migrant live outside of the city, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: the houses in.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: The put put migrants outside. What I'm talking about is
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: mums and dads and their kids who don't want to
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: live two hours outside when they've got mum and dad
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: who live in inner city.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: They need help with daycare, they need help with childcare.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: You can't just expect people to move two hours out
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: in order to get a bigger property.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: You can't just really get people to be happy with
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: a place going up next door with.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: More homes, Caleb, we have to build more homes, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: where they all have to be near the city.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I'm saying they shouldn't be, but.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: That's where people work. I think, don't you want to
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: live near where you work?
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: The harm An idea is going to be counterproductive anyway,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: because a lot of people are not going to want
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: to live in boxes in the city with no infrastructure
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to service them. So they'll naturally end up going to
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: regional towns and cities anyway, because it'll be a better lifestyle,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and so you'll end up with the character of our
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: cities fundamentally changed.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what we don't look at.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: The resale value of units in Sydney at the moment
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: terrible has been well.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: House prices have dropped anywhere, but it has been for years.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Have dropped anyway, I know they've.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Dropped, but the resale value for units and Sydney's been
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: terrible for years because fundamentally, you're right, people would prefer
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to live somewhere larger. I just don't know why we're
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: so obsessed with filling up the inner city.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I've got to build homes. They've
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: got to put ousies into homes, I say. And if
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: you look at the budget documents, supply is going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: be down about thirty five thousand homes as it is.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: So thank you very much, labor. Well done to labor,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: and it's national housing accord. Let's talk about school shootings
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: in the US. We know that this is a common
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: occurrence which is such a blight on the United States.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: But now they're rolling out new technology to try and
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: counter shootings by way of drones.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Now, these drones have been.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Just tested in Florida and they're now about to be
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: deployed to eight schools. So the way that these drones work,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: and you can see here on the screen, so that
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: they are going to sit in the ceiling, mounted, armored
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: and self contained, and then they connect to the internet.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: So basically when somebody, if somebody busts in with a gun,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: they a teacher can press an emergency button. These drones
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: then get deployed and to quote how they used it
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: says they can reputedly race through school halls at up
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: to ninety five kilometers an hour, blaring a screeching alarm
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: and flashing strobe lights. At the business end is a
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: battering ram and a pepper spray gel punch. At a pinch,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: they can be turned into guided missiles tasked with knocking
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: suspects to the ground. Now, whilst I must say, I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: quite highly impressed by the look of that technology based
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: on those videos, and I think you referred to it
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: as almost an armageddon, did you say at the start
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: of the show terminated a terminator the way that they
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: are able to whiz? I think that the technology is good.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: How sad and how tragic is this that the US
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: has now resorted to drones to technology because it fundamentally
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: won't deal with the issue at hand of gun control.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: That this is their big solution.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: I think it's actually an admission that nothing is going
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: to change in America. This is basically saying, sorry, kids,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Sorry to the educators, we can't get a control of
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: the situation. We don't want to, but here's your drones.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: So if something happens, press and emergency button and this
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: will give it a go Already, now we have teachers
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: and kids being told what to do in the classroom
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: in the event of a shooting, which I think is
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: absolutely terrifying. And now what we're going to teach teachers
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: how to use drones.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: In case they're under attack. I mean, this is just well.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's sad. Teachers don't operate the drones.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: They push them an emergency button that then goes to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: a drone center where they are commanded. These drones were
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: developed by a company that were inspired by what's happening
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: in Ukraine, so it's essentially military technology that's being put
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: into a school context. What I'm curious about, Caleb, is
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the developers have said it's going to operate like a
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Srinkler system. You know, you get a fire and all
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of a sudden from the ceiling water is deployed.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Instead you have a school shooter.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Drones are deployed, except a Sprinkler system doesn't have to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: differentiate between perpetrator and victim. So there's a lot of
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: questions about this. What if a teacher is mistaken as
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: a perpetrator, or somebody runs and is mistaken as the
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: shooter rather than someone trying to get away. Schools are
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: already ordering this system. They pay a monthly subscription fee
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: per child, This would be worth billions and billions of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: dollars if most schools in the United States sign up
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: for it. It's been tested, but not in a real
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: life situation, so you know, mock scenarios are very different
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to an actual shooting. But as Denika said, there at
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a bit of a loss as to how to protect
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the kids, and parents are demanding more and more. We
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: want to see the security before we enroll our kids.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So this looks like it will be take up across
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the United States fair enough.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: I reckon we should order someone use them here as
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: a police tool. If they work, it sounds like a
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: brilliant idea to me. I mean, the reality is that
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: the United States is never going to unpick its gun culture.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's literally the Second Amendment.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: They were pretty early on in the piece when they
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: decided that the right to bear arms was integral to
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: the United States.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So that ain't going to change.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Trying to unpick America's gun culture just simply is not
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: going to happen. So unfortunately, as part of that, you
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: have to accept that there are lunatics who have guns
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: as well, and sometimes they go and shoot up schools,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: So you've got to have some kind of mitigation measure
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: in place for.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: To have armed security.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: They could spend a lot less money having armed security
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: guards in schools rather than drone.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: I don't think that'll make a difference.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: I think that'll probably be worse, to be honest, if
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: you had an armed security guard. All it takes as
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: someone with a high powered weapon, and that security guards.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Get a security before the they get there.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd look the means by which it happens.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I don't particularly care. Obviously security has to be provided,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: but I think this is fantastic technology like this is
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: this is in terms of policing because this could be
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: used in far broader context than just in school.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, this has got to be.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: The greatest technological development I've seen in.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement in a long time.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've all seen this in movies right where drones
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: are going down the street chasing crims. That they wanted
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to put taser technology in these drones and they've been
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: told no, no, no tasers in drones going down school hallways.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: But you do wonder where that technology will go next
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: if it's approved. Do we have machine gun shooting drones
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going down school hallways next? Speaking of technology, Donald Trump
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: has said that Chinese robots will be banned from importation
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and sale in the United States for two reasons, primarily.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Because of security.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: He says that drones collect data and therefore provide foreign
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: hostile nations with spying advantages. Not only that, he says
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: they can be remotely common deered. So if you've got
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: humanoid robots in your country that are manufactured and reporting
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: back to a foreign country, essentially you could have imported
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: a robotic army into your own country that then turns
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: against you.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That's his first problem with this.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: The second problem is that China is leading the race
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: to develop robots, the United States is trying to catch up,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and so by banning the importation of Chinese robots, that
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: will presumably give the United States manufactures helping hand.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: What do you think, good move or bad move?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: You don't think there's any world in which you could
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: say it was a bad move. Surely, why would you
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: knowingly import the potential enemies infrastructure into your country. I mean,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a reason that we don't have Huawei
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: technology involved in our five G infrastructure this country. Is
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the reason that Buawei has been banned in the UK
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: and the US.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Et cetera as well, because.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: You don't want because you've got to remember that Chinese companies,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: although they may not be owned by the CCP, are
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: required to if they were asked, handover data and all
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: this sort of information to the CCP. And so if
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: you've got robots, which of course would be collecting data
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: and sending it back to the mother country to the manufacturers,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: et cetera, that stuff that is available potentially to the
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: CCP to get hold of.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So I think it's entirely fair to.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Say that you shouldn't be able to import a Chinese robot,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: and to be frank, I mean we should be doing
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: this here with all manner of Chinese technology. I mean
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: the cars, you know, the Utong buses that a number
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: of countries, including the UK, now have proven contain effectively
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: a kill switch. You know, we've got Chinese vehicles being
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: imported into this country on mass byd is now the
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: second most popular man manufacturer in the country. And these
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: cars are effectively listening devices. I mean, they gather so
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: much data and information on the people who drive them,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: which for ninety nine point nine to nine percent of
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: people probably matters very little, but if it falls into
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the wrong hands.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: It could be valuable.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why our politicians are driving EV's thirty
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: percent of which the available taxpayer under the EV's for
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: our pollys vehicles like you talked about, Caleb, and they're
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: being told, don't plug your phone in, don't have confidential
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: conversations in the car.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe drive a Toyota instead.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Oh well, we can't do that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Chris Bowen wants you to drive his electric vehicles from China.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: What are you talking about, James, Come on, well, so
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: China controls eighty five percent of the global humanoid robot market.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I was reading eighty five percent. And yet we know
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: that China is no friend to the West. We know
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: that here in Australia. We've seen it in our own
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: backyard off the coast of our country.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: So we've got these robots and a lot of research.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Has found that they have data collection, remote hijacking risks,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: and this all undermines Western nations. Yet we have leaders
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: around the world who are so scared they basically bend
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: over to China and every opportunity Australia included the Handsome
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Boy does. And finally we've got Donald Trump saying no,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: our national security is at risk. We are not having
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: these robots in this country. I wish that more leaders
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: would have a spine and have the guts of Donald
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Trump to say no and put their own national security first.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: And we should be doing that as well, because it
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: is a worry. But we thought that we would take
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: an opportunity to show everyone our favorite Robots compilation, because well,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: it just speaks for itself, doesn't it. China, I feel
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: like we've played that clip virtually every week for weeks.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: To be fair, that was not the best advertisement for Chinese.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: But you know, if they're doing that stuff already, just
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: wait until they seriously get going. We could be in
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: a bit of trouble. Let's move from China and the
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: US to the UK, where I mean, this is an
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: extraordinary story and if you needed any more proof of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: just how the UK has lost its way, I mean,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: you know we talk about two tier policing. There's a
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: pretty good example of it what you see on your screen.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: There there's a photograph of a bloke wearing a T
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: shirt with a guillotine obviously, and it says we're only
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: making plans for Nigel.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Of course that is Nigel Farage.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: It's referring to basically saying, you know, we're plotting to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: kill the fella.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Now, Zach Polanski.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Is the leader of the Greens in England and Wales,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and Zach Polanski shared a post on Instagram. Now, for
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: those who are uninitiated, say I put a post on Instagram, right,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: I've put up a string of photos. In this case,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: there were twenty photos in the entire post. I can
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: then tag people who were involved in it in some
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: of the photos whatever, invite them to be a collaborator
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: on the post. Now, if you accept that, what it
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: means is my post also appears on your page, So
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: you're effectively counted as a poster along with me. It's
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: our post, not just my post. So Zack Polanski, the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: leader of the Greens, accepts to become a collaborator on
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: an Instagram post that contains a series of photographs, including
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: that photograph. According to mister Polanski, it was the fifth
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: photograph along in the collection.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So he's accepted to be a poster.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: On Instagram in a series of photos that has a
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: bloke wearing a T shirt effectively calling for the death
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: of Nagel Farage. Now to you and me that would
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: sound like an endorsement by mister Polanski of this T shirt.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: He said, yes, I accept, I pressed the.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Button to be part of this post and it now
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: appears on my profile. So this was referred off to
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the police by Reform UK. Police have come back and
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: said no crime has been committed here. I mean, can
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you imagine if anyone else, if someone posted a thing,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: you know, saying, oh, you know, we're planning to kill
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Sakia Stamer, or you know we're making plans for Zach
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Polanski or someone else, that it would be not taken
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: as some kind of death threat or incitement to violence.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: But no, mister Polanski accepts that being on his Instagram
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: page and that apparently is not a crime in the
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: United Kingdom.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And to make it even.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Worse, he refuses to apologize because he just says it
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: was a mistake.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: You want to take this opportunity to apologize to Nigel Farash, well.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: If I'd done it deliberately, I'd be apologizing. But because
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: this was a mistake, I think the important thing is
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: that I point out its mistake, that I also make
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: sure that I condemn political violence, and also crucially I
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: make a commitment to be better on my social media.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to apologize then or not?
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: No.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: The reason for that is because Nigel Ferrage. When I
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: posted this, or when the person posted it, it got
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: less than a thousand likes. Nigel Farrag then took it,
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: cropped it so it made it look like I posted it,
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: which I think was fundamentally dishonest. It's now had three
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: point two million views. So actually, this, this whole conversation
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: has been seen more because Nigel Farag is the use
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: of and I think Richard Tyce posted it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: So he's basically saying, oh, it wasn't my fault because
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: they pointed out that I'd accepted a post on my page.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: That's basically in cyber de boalance, it's Nigel Frag's fault.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not apologizing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So these and the fact that cops won't do anything
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: about it extrame.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: So you mean to tell me that people comedians like
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Graham Lineham were arrested for making comments about trans people.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Lucy Connolly, a British mother, was arrested and jailed for
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: what police described as hate speech. But when the left
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: make comments which are incitement to violence, the two tier
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: policing suddenly kicks in and Zack Polanski and he's warped.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Greens and co lefty members are not arrested. That is
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: the ultimate hypocrisy in my view.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: What I love about this is that Polanski posts a
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: photo calling for Farage to be guillotined and then claims
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: that he's being attacked by Farrage and somehow he's the
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: victim in all of this.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, we're going to go to a break.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: including calls for the Prime Minister to discipline.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: An MP who's accused of assault. That's next.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: You know, whenever we're looking at the next day's papers
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: to bring you on this show show, we're always quick
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: to look at the Northern Territory Times because they always
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: comet with good headlines, don't they today?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: No exception, Caleb, what's the Northern Territory term? Timest News?
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: That's the one the name of the paper, But the headlines.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say, have you been looking at some
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: paper that I did know existed?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: For all this The news in the Northern Territory inte
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: News is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: It's got the tie Beef federal MP charged with assaulting administrator.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Pressure is mounting on Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi to remove
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Member for Solomon Luke Gosling from his Special Envoy roles
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: after he was charged with two counts of assault against
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Northern Territory Administrator David Connolly. Mister Gosling, who was arrested
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Thursday morning and later bailed, strenuously denies the allegations. Now,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: of course, the reason they get with the headline tie
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: beef is because this all took place allegedly at the
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Grand Thaie Festival in the Northern Territory, and it's quite
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the carry on. I don't see after someone has been
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: charged how they can continue in a senior role. And
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: of course everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but generally
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: the accepted thing to do is to stand aside in
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: the meantime. Doesn't mean he should lose his job as
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: an MP or resign entirely or anything, but it's generally
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: accepted convention. I don't know why a he can't just
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: do the right thing himself and say, look, I fully
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: deny that any of this has happened, that I will
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: be proving my innocence but in the meantime, for the
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: good of the party in the government, I'll step aside.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And failing that, why the Prime Minister hasn't done it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Himself, especially a prime minister who is always going on
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: about his standards and contrasting his high standards with everybody
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: else's poor standards. It was only a couple of days
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: ago that the Prime Minister was going on about Barnaby
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Joyce and his behavior towards his dog, as if somehow
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: that proved the One Nation member was somehow worse than
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: anyone in labor suggests that allowing a man to continue
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: in his position while facing criminal charges is a little
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: worse than yelling at your dog.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: I'd say so.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: I'm just shocked that the Prime Minister didn't sort this
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: out immediately today.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Is he just going to drag it on into the weekend? Now?
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: So okay, let's take a look now at.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: The Australian Exclusive PM's Big Seniors moment. Anthony Arberenezi is
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: facing a fierce rebellion from state governments over his plan
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: to abolish higher private health insurance rebates for over sixty fives.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: As new polling shows nearly forty percent of seniors in
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: outer suburban and regional electorates are more likely to drop
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: their cover under Federal Labour's policy. The health ministers of
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania told The Australian the
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: deeply concerning decision to scrap the higher rebate for over
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: sixty fives would put further pressure on their strained public
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: hospital systems in an escalation of national cabinet tensions.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: You know what on earth is.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Labor doing creating this class warfare? Labor has been going
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: after retirees and seniors from its taxes and now to
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: higher health premiums. When we know that this is the
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: age cohort who need their health premiums the most and
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: who are most of them probably pensioners as well.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: They don't have a lot of money. And then what
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: to fork.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Out more money on top of what is already very
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: expensive in this country to have private health.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: What is the Prime minister's problem.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: With people over the age of sixty five in this country?
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: And it's talk about class warfare. I mean it's fundamentally
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: worse for people who are of a lower class right
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: because if you can afford to copy it, because you've
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: got lots of money in the bank, Willa will so
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: be it. But you know, if you're like my ninety
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: year old man who's been paying for a private health
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: insurance for years and years and years and done the
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: right thing and thought she was doing the right thing
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: by herself and by the system, because of course it
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: all so so a freeze up space in the public system,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden you're being told, sorry,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: have you been doing the wrong thing all this time?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Against all the.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Advice that you've ever been given. You know, if you're
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: a pinchiner, how are you mean to deal with this?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And then, of course, as the States point out, it'll
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: just put more pressure on the public system.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: How's that a good thing?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: There's a great need to save money in this country,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: but saving money by penalizing our elderly, and especially when.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: It comes to their health, is not.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: The way to Absolutely, as long as they're not rockers.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: James did have an issue if they were wrong, oh gosh,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: take away their private health.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, he wouldn't cope with that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you don't require oxygen masks. If you're
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: not trying to act like a twenty year.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: Old, what is your problem James.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: My problem. We've done my problem. Go on, what's the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: other story?
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Housing downturn hits home for bank. National Australia Bank has
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: revealed a bleak outlook for home lending after new mortgage
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: applications crashed fifteen percent in the June quarter, mirroring a
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: plunge in auction clearance rates. The bank also said more
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: business borrowers could be in distress, with loans classified as
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: on watch up to eight percent on quarter, raising the
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: possibility of rising rates on areas now. Business Banking executive
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Andrew Albach told The Australian the higher level of loans
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: on watch reflected the impact of our challenging environment. We're
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: seeing customers most affected by things like fuel price and
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: the Middle East, and the government's negative gearing and capital
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: gains tax changes are thought to be accelerating the housing
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: downturn wealth Who.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Would have thought?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Who would have thought?
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Are we surprised? Though? Of course Jim will just blame
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: foreign affairs as.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Always LEYBA never found a problem. They couldn't make a
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: lot worse. Front page of the Herald's Sun. Before we
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: get to the main story. The photograph on the front
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: page of the Herald's sun is remember Haley Lewis who
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: won gold in the pool at the common Games?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: What thirty six years ago?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Will her Son has just won gold for Australia in
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the pool at the Commonwealth Games. She was there to
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: congratulate him. So that's a great story. The main story,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: though kid gloves are off. The story says teen car
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: thieves and carjackers will face longer sentences under a Coalition
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: plan to dramatically expand its adult time for adult crime crackdown.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: The liberals first big policy move since Ben Carroll olsta
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: just senter Alan as Premier, will double down on law
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: and order, an area they see as their major strength
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: against the state government's poor record on crime. Well, I
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: don't think there's any doubt about that, and I would
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: say the Coalition need to come out with some big
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: policy announcements over the next week, because Ben Carroll is
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: sure as heck making announcements every day, or at least
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: hinting at them, trying to recover Labour's reputation with voters.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: So good to see the Coalition on the front foot
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: in Victoria.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Strike while the iron is hot.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: On the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow says ultimate
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: betrayal and exclusive here from the Great Julie Cross. Indas
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: poster boy jailed over seven hundred thousand dollars fraud. Former
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: NDIAS post boys been jailed for scamming the system he
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: helped champion, exposing just how easy it is to rip off.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Fifteen years ago, James Davies was celebrated as a disability advocate,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: but in twenty twenty, while working as an NDAs planner,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: he falsely amended the plans in a scheme which siphoned
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: off thousands.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: People must have their grubby myths all over this system,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: wroughting it, stealing money from both the taxpayer and disabled people,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: left right and center. I mean, it is just sick
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: the way this thing has gone.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: It is a disaster, this scheme from the very beginning.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: It's an absolute behemoth.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: As we know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Have a look at this fascinating story on the front
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: page of the Advertiser, my deep fake hell. The District
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Court is embroiled in scandal after staff generated a deep
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: fake image of an Advertiser reporter being arrested and circulated
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: it to colleagues. But Attorney General cayam Ma Ma and
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the court's administration authority initially refused to implore staff involved
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: to cooperate with police investigation. Police have been unable to
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: investigate the case involving Advertiser reporter Charlie Dads, who has
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: never been arrested or faced a charge. The Advertiser unwittingly
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: breached a suppression order which can result in journalists and
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: editors being jailed, and the deep fake was to depict
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: mister Dad's being apprehended.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: For contempt of court? What on earth how does this happen?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Well, so what happened was the paper published a story that,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: as they say, unwittingly revealed an identity that they weren't
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: aware was suppressed.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Of course, they fixed it very quickly when they became
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: aware of it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: And then one of the Tazer's reporters goes into the
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: court one day and one of the court staffs is,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: have you seen this photo with Charlie getting arrested? They
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: rested him for contempt of court? And they're like, the
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: hell are you talk looking about? And it turns out
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: this has been ai generated by people within the court
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: who then had distributed to judges' associates, and so they're
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: sending allegedly this photograph around trying to say.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: That he's been arrested, and people took it seriously.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Now that is an offense under South Australian law. Producing
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: an image that unduly embarrasses someone or something along those lines.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: He's actually an offense. But to this date, the court
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: has refused to cooperate with any police investigation. I mean
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: to the court might jump up and down about oh,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: contempt of court because you were unknowingly broke a suppression
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: order for five minutes, which you could be charged and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: sent to jail for. But someone within the courts breaks
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: the rules on and know well, we're not going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: cooperate with the police. And this is the justice system.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Interesting there you go South Australia.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: we come back.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Melbourne preschoolers stage a daring escape from their kindergarten. But
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: what were they say so eager to get to we'll
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: tell you about that after the break. Welcome back to
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the program, Caleb. The UK has a new prime minister,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: but not everybody is aware.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: And could you blame them? I mean seven prime ministers
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: in ten years they've had in the UK and so
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I think this chap in an aged care home in
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: North London Golders Green probably speaks for all of us.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: Andrew, Yes, that's it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are the local local are you?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Oh? I was a local candidate. I had a by
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: election a few weeks ago. But no, I'm I'm now
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the prime minister.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: You are, he's the Prime Minister.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Well one.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Another one, I I know, I know, I mean he's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: spot on. Well another one.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: Can you blame him?
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: No, you can't blame him. Man, who the heck is?
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Andy just called me up? Andy, the Man of the people.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Apparently the King of the North was.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Pretty good political commentary at the old People's Home there,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I reckon all right. Most people think The Great Escape
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: was a nineteen sixty three Hollywood blockbuster starring Steve McQueen.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it turns out that was child's play.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: The real Great Escape took place in Melbourne on Monday,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: when a pair of preschoolers broke out of their kindy
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: so they could get home early to watch cartoons. The pair,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: aged four and five, removed some temporary fencing from the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: playground at their kindergarten and ran almost a kilometer to
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: get home, where they sat down to watch K pop
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Demon Hunters. Parents were home at the time informed the
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: KINDI who were still looking for the kids, but hadn't
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: yet told mum and dad they were missing.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: Oh that's terrible, little awkward.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: How on earth were those kids? I mean they must
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: be very smart. Those kids are going to be future
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: engineers a construction sector or something. But I mean that's
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: a blight on the kindy, isn't it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Will It is particularly that they didn't tell the parents
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: that they'd gone missing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean to the kids, they knew what was that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: They knew, they knew what was happening. Well, look, have
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: you ever had an overdue library book? What about an
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: overdue library book that's one hundred and sixteen years over due. Well,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: a grandson of a man has returned his grandfather's books
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: one hundred.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: And sixteen years after they were borrowed.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Avid reader Walter Griffin Owen checked out Paradise and King
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Lear over a century ago in North Wales. The books
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: were kept safely at home in his family's care while
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: he served in both World Wars. Had mister Owen still
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: been alive, he would be facing a fine of six
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: thousand and thirty two pennies or the princely some of
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: just over twenty five pounds.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: There you go house that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I think if you forgot to return the library book
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: because you were busy fighting.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: Two World War, I think that's okay.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't have to pay the fee.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: But also having found the book after one hundred and
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: sixteen years, who then goes, oh geez, I better go
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: and take this back to the library.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: They might missing it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Try to board another copy.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: One of the books was Milton's Paradise lost. So there
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you go. Stick around. Coming up? Is there the Penalty show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Good Marte
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: H m hm