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Jags Drive Time: Monday, August 30 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Well Jacks drive John with Ashlyn Sellisells, John Oshans, Bryan
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Speaker 1: set Jacks drive and starts right now. You know i'd
0:17
Speaker 1: be a half empty guy, but I was kind of fearful,
0:19
Speaker 1: like my gap, what if we go again? You know?
0:21
Speaker 1: But he's one thing about Trevor. He's played decent, you
0:23
Speaker 1: know all three games. You know, you you know, preseason
0:26
Speaker 1: was fairly new to me and I learned along the way,
0:29
Speaker 1: so I would judge our preseason. It's sussess right. No,
0:31
Speaker 1: there's a lot of energy in the locker room. We
0:33
Speaker 1: got two weeks to get the strongest version of ourselves
0:36
Speaker 1: I expect are you know they're gonna have four days
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Speaker 1: off this week. That's also new to me, so we've
0:40
Speaker 1: got to be in great You know you can be
0:42
Speaker 1: if you do those four days right. And I'm not
0:44
Speaker 1: talking to lay on your butt, but gets strong and
0:46
Speaker 1: we can come back stronger than you were. And the
0:49
Speaker 1: four training camp, which my expectations are that the head
0:53
Speaker 1: coach praising his rocky quarterback after a win over the
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. And the third preseason games Forever Lawrence a
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards, two touchdowns, a hundred and
1:02
Speaker 1: fifty four past the rating. We have seen enough starting
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Speaker 1: quarterback onto the regular season. It's it's kind of sort
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Speaker 1: of victory Monday here on Jaguars Drive time Winnena. It's
1:13
Speaker 1: always important to win. They said, well, I'm using that
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Speaker 1: big preseason guy doing this long enough, but they had
1:22
Speaker 1: not won anything opening day last year, so that was
1:27
Speaker 1: seventeen in a row. Um it. I think it did
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Speaker 1: matter for the young guys, not on any sort of level.
1:36
Speaker 1: It's teking a matter in October, but for right now.
1:39
Speaker 1: I did think it was important for Trevor to play
1:41
Speaker 1: well for them, for the other maybe not maybe not
1:44
Speaker 1: even for him, but for everybody else to sort of
1:47
Speaker 1: see mean players, coaches, Okay, that's what this kid is. Well,
1:51
Speaker 1: two things. One, when he sat down in the press
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Speaker 1: conference afterwards, he looked like he was back in familiar territory, right,
1:58
Speaker 1: I mean, he never had to come into a post
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Speaker 1: game locker room except what twice in his career and
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Speaker 1: talk about losing um. And the other is a belief level, right,
2:06
Speaker 1: I mean, because there's been all this talk about urban
2:08
Speaker 1: Meyer orban Meyer, urban Meyer, the system, the system, the system,
2:11
Speaker 1: and they didn't have anything to back it up. And
2:13
Speaker 1: even though it's a preseason game. Right last week, Pete
2:16
Speaker 1: Prisco wrote the article that there was grumbling and there
2:18
Speaker 1: was a loss, and they didn't look good. Coach wasn't happy,
2:21
Speaker 1: people were analyzing his body language. To be able to
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Speaker 1: have something even a small step forward, is it creates
2:29
Speaker 1: a level of belief. Okay, this is what we have
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Speaker 1: to do to get to where we want to go. Yeah,
2:33
Speaker 1: you needed it. And now you look forward to the
2:34
Speaker 1: regular season and I have people saying, Okay, well, well
2:37
Speaker 1: they have to win week one because they have to
2:39
Speaker 1: believe they need the momentum. So we're going to talk
2:41
Speaker 1: about that now. But I don't know if that's necessarily true.
2:44
Speaker 1: You had this preseason win, now it's onto the regular season.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a when all the momentum. The
2:50
Speaker 1: momentum is individual. It's for each individual player, how he
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Speaker 1: feels going forward into the season, if he's confident in
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Speaker 1: the way that he performed, or if he has to
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Speaker 1: work certain things. It's an individual thing. Momentum is not
3:02
Speaker 1: a team thing. When you move from August to September.
3:05
Speaker 1: I hate to be the guy who always pours water
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Speaker 1: on everything's slanting, h but it is. It's really really
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Speaker 1: important to in week one and then you know what
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Speaker 1: happens next, it's really important to in a week two.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's, uh, it's critically important to go
3:20
Speaker 1: in that Houston game, and then if you don't, it
3:22
Speaker 1: becomes important in the Denver game. Right. But but within
3:29
Speaker 1: the context of their schedule, I don't think it's naive
3:34
Speaker 1: to think that it's not important to get a really
3:36
Speaker 1: early start, a really good early start, because they've got
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Speaker 1: four games that on paper okay, and then you've got
3:41
Speaker 1: six that on paper or wow. So I'm not going
3:45
Speaker 1: to be disingenuous to think that the beginning of the
3:47
Speaker 1: season is not really really important for this team. Well,
3:49
Speaker 1: I mean, you got four that give you a chance
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Speaker 1: in each game, and then you've got the Titans here,
3:54
Speaker 1: and then you've got the Dolphins in London, right, and
3:57
Speaker 1: then you've got a seven game stretch of Wow. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's you've got a stretch where, even if you're
4:02
Speaker 1: a lot better in playing, you've got a handful it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be tough early on. It looks like if you're
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Speaker 1: playing well, you can get them and give you a
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Speaker 1: chance to try to finish the season strong, which is
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for. This is the season comes too close.
4:14
Speaker 1: Always a good direction to go better than this. All right,
4:17
Speaker 1: let's get into big things. Big thing one is tempo.
4:20
Speaker 1: The offense clicked. It started faster, fast pace. That's what
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Speaker 1: coach Meyer wanted. Offense is a lot of what Trevor
4:26
Speaker 1: Lawrence did at Clemson and get him more comfortable. And
4:29
Speaker 1: James O'Shaughnessy told us this offense was going to click eventually. Well,
4:34
Speaker 1: I think we've been heading in the right direction. I
4:35
Speaker 1: know it hasn't always been seen in the preseason, UM,
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Speaker 1: but I think most people understand that preseason is an
4:42
Speaker 1: odd time for offenses where you're only showing so much. UM.
4:45
Speaker 1: You know, you're protecting people from injury. If people get
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Speaker 1: injured in the camp, that can just be a difficult
4:51
Speaker 1: time for continuity within an offense. And uh, you know,
4:55
Speaker 1: I've been a part of some playoff teams that when
4:57
Speaker 1: I went for in preseason, and I've been part of
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Speaker 1: teams that were losing, teams that went four and own preseason.
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Speaker 1: So it's to me it's a tough thing to judge. UM,
5:06
Speaker 1: as long as you trust that we have the right
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Speaker 1: system in place in the right mechanisms and make sure
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Speaker 1: it's heading in the right direction. I think everybody believed that,
5:14
Speaker 1: um so, I think we just kept their head down,
5:17
Speaker 1: kept focused, and kept getting better and that was the key.
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Speaker 1: All right. Let's switch to defense. Big thing too is toughness.
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Speaker 1: This run defense, what was a major issue for two
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Speaker 1: and a half seasons, now almost looks like a strong suit.
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Speaker 1: At least in the preseason. They look ready to go
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Speaker 1: for the regular season, holding the Cowboys to under eighty
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Speaker 1: yards rushings. We'll talk lots about that. Big thing. Three
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Speaker 1: is that to do list a big week, Lots going on.
5:40
Speaker 1: You're gonna cut down a roster. You're gonna get ready
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Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans in Week one. But first the
5:44
Speaker 1: Jaguars will have to release thirty seven players by four
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Speaker 1: pm on Tuesday, something Trevor Lawrence is not used to.
5:54
Speaker 1: It's different and not used to. You know, you build
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Speaker 1: relationships with guys and it's just sucks, you know, seeing
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Speaker 1: guys go. It's just the nature of the business. You
6:02
Speaker 1: can't you can't keep everybody, and um guys, you know
6:05
Speaker 1: there's certain situations that are better for them and the team.
6:08
Speaker 1: It just you just never know. So we had a
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Speaker 1: guy a receiver coming Devin Smith today. I think you
6:12
Speaker 1: got here yesterday and dove and made that like sixt
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Speaker 1: yard catch and I think it was in the first half.
6:18
Speaker 1: I mean, just stuff like that. It's crazy, like you
6:20
Speaker 1: just got here. It goes out there, runs Ago catches
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Speaker 1: a sixt yard pass like stuff like that is just
6:24
Speaker 1: so weird you don't get used to it. But um,
6:27
Speaker 1: I really like the group we have. It sucks that
6:29
Speaker 1: we gotta cut the team down. I don't know. Obviously,
6:31
Speaker 1: I don't make those decisions. I'm glad I don't because
6:33
Speaker 1: we got a lot of guys that deserve to be
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Speaker 1: on this team. And it's just tough. So we'll see
6:37
Speaker 1: how that goes, all right, And that is big things.
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Speaker 1: And I know it's pretty season, and I know the
6:42
Speaker 1: Cowboys not play a lot of starters, but the Jaguars
6:45
Speaker 1: needed that win. We will go out and say that
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Speaker 1: in the run defense, it's solidified it. Yeah, I think
6:49
Speaker 1: the run defense. And I'll hold off because my hot
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Speaker 1: take is about the run defense. It just to watch
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Speaker 1: Davon Hamilton push the pocket and dominate the point of attack. Um,
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Speaker 1: that's a really good sign. When you have a three
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Speaker 1: four scheme, you have to have a strong guy on
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Speaker 1: the nose. I mean, you remember when Joel Steed was
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Speaker 1: the man in uh in Pittsburgh for those great Steelers defense.
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Speaker 1: It's the apex. Everything starts right there. For Joe Colin
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Speaker 1: to be able to come in and have somebody that
7:16
Speaker 1: he can put in there and not try to mask
7:18
Speaker 1: it or figure ways around it until you find that guy.
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Speaker 1: It creates a lot of flexibility for him. It's a
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Speaker 1: good start. Well, you guys know me. I'm I'm not
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Speaker 1: sold sold sold on the run defense only because it's
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Speaker 1: is such a position of stamina and such a position
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Speaker 1: of death. I am sold that they are really good
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Speaker 1: up front on first and second down when they are
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Speaker 1: healthy with Brown, Hamilton's and Roy Robinson Harris. What's next
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Speaker 1: as you get to the third and fourth quarter of
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Speaker 1: these guys. But all they have shown so far is
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Speaker 1: that they are much improved with in the context of
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Speaker 1: what they could do. And I think as importantly as
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Speaker 1: anything we've been talking about setting tones, I do believe
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Speaker 1: what's very important is that this team is going into
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Speaker 1: the season with the guys up front believing for the
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Speaker 1: first time in a long time that they can stop people,
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Speaker 1: and that was priority one for the preseason. Sob mission accomplished.
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Speaker 1: Now let's see what's next with the linebackers and Damian
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Speaker 1: Wilson didn't to have a guy like Shaq Quarterman that
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Speaker 1: you can plug in there. You've got a little more
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Speaker 1: depth than I thought when they started training camp, guys
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Speaker 1: who were good pluggers first and second down guys. Health
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Speaker 1: is always an issue offensive mine defensive line. The scheme
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Speaker 1: and the players that they've brought in this year will
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Speaker 1: make a dramatic difference in this run defense. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's go to Big Thing three quickly releasing thirty seven
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Speaker 1: players by tomorrow at four pm. I'm stressed about the
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Speaker 1: wide receivers. I know it's been my thing, but I'm
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Speaker 1: still stressed. How are you going to decide this? Truthfully?
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Speaker 1: You've got like five guys for two spots and you
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Speaker 1: clink an argument for all of them? How many we
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Speaker 1: keeping seven? Well, so you get the top three right?
9:04
Speaker 1: And then uh, Dorset I think makes it. Oh yeah,
9:08
Speaker 1: he showed the speed on Those are the four that
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Speaker 1: I think are locks. Would you think it's crazy if
9:16
Speaker 1: they kept Vin Smith? No, Look what he showed yesterday.
9:19
Speaker 1: I just want to just speed because they lack explosiveness
9:23
Speaker 1: and speed despite all the efforts they brought to the
9:27
Speaker 1: table to try to improve. That one route that he
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Speaker 1: ran yesterday showed you what he's capable of doing, and
9:33
Speaker 1: it's something you don't have. I mean, when you get
9:35
Speaker 1: d J. Chark on the field, yes, but you don't
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Speaker 1: have size and speed together like he showed you yesterday.
9:42
Speaker 1: I might try to find a way to keep that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And your question is did you see enough? Is that
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Speaker 1: enough that one play that one game for? Yeah? No,
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Speaker 1: I agree, but that's my question with the coaching stuff.
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Speaker 1: And then Colin Johnson did keep him. He has that
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Speaker 1: size that no one else has, but the speed is lacking.
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Speaker 1: Size without speed in this game doesn't get you wor
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Speaker 1: you want to get in this scheme. It's uh, this
10:02
Speaker 1: is a speed centric bunch, so I think they keep
10:05
Speaker 1: speed oversized. Are you concerned about Not concerned? But are
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Speaker 1: you looking at any other positions like I am concerned
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Speaker 1: about the wide receivers um? Not really, because I guess Brian,
10:19
Speaker 1: I'm just always of the belief that the top forty
10:22
Speaker 1: guys or who you win with UM and I'm not
10:25
Speaker 1: diminishing what we saw ed wide receiver. I've just seen
10:27
Speaker 1: so often. I love Hammond, he has performed during preseason. Um,
10:34
Speaker 1: I believe he and somebody else will be on the
10:36
Speaker 1: practice squad. I think Jeff Cotton Jr. Has to get right.
10:39
Speaker 1: That's yes, all he's done. Both of those guys I
10:42
Speaker 1: put in the same boat. Um. I guess the reason
10:45
Speaker 1: I don't worry as much as I used to or
10:50
Speaker 1: are all stressed. I am stressed because the reality right
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Speaker 1: now is the fifty three man roster that they release
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday is not what it used to be ten
11:02
Speaker 1: or fifteen years ago. Because you have six practice squad
11:05
Speaker 1: guys who are veterans, you have sixteen more slides. I
11:08
Speaker 1: would expect sixteen guys in the practice squad, twelve of
11:12
Speaker 1: them to matter this year for the Jag. Sure, so
11:14
Speaker 1: it's really not if they release Smith uh and put
11:20
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad. He was just available, so
11:22
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be. He's tryna be around. So I
11:25
Speaker 1: look at it more as a sixty nine player roster
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Speaker 1: now than it was. So again I'm being contrarian. That's well,
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Speaker 1: they all showed the first pick. They also have the
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Speaker 1: first pick on the waiver wire for a couple of weeks.
11:36
Speaker 1: I would say running back only because your power. You've
11:38
Speaker 1: got power power, power, and no breakaway speed, no change
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Speaker 1: of direction I'm sorry, change of pace kind of back
11:45
Speaker 1: without Travis cy T n uh. That may be someone
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Speaker 1: that grab on the waiver wire, not worried about it.
11:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I love to play the power game, and
11:52
Speaker 1: so does Urban Meyer. But you like to have one
11:54
Speaker 1: of those guys you can do some different things with,
11:55
Speaker 1: and I don't see that guy on the roster. I
11:57
Speaker 1: would say five or six waiver wire acquisitions between now
12:03
Speaker 1: the regular seats, which should be as many as we've
12:05
Speaker 1: seen around here. Might as well use it to your advantage.
12:08
Speaker 1: A lot of guys were talking about will not be here,
12:13
Speaker 1: and there'll be other guys in these spots that we
12:15
Speaker 1: don't even know about yet. So stay tuned, Shenna, stay tuned.
12:19
Speaker 1: I will try to relax until then when we come back.
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Speaker 1: On Jaguars Drive Time, some highlights from yesterday's preseason win
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Speaker 1: from yesterday's preseason win over the Dallas Cowboys, and coach
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Speaker 1: Meyer has told us the past, all of preseason, we
14:40
Speaker 1: gotta start faster on offense. Well, this is a great
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Speaker 1: example of how you do that. On the very first drive,
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Speaker 1: Lawrence going deep down the sideline inside the twenty five
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Speaker 1: yard line. Oh, open down the sideline. That's Farrell Cooper
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Speaker 1: and thirty eight yard first down to Philip Dorset, followed
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Speaker 1: by a touchdown to Phararell Cooper. And we were talking
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Speaker 1: to Phararell Cooper post game. He said that he thought
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Speaker 1: in that moment, Okay, this is Trevor Lawrence's first NFL
15:17
Speaker 1: touched on I really can't drop this or I'm going
15:20
Speaker 1: to be that guy known forever. He had a pretty
15:23
Speaker 1: good game on pump returns to he didn't had a
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Speaker 1: nineteen yard return on the first Cowboys punt. Good day
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Speaker 1: for him. I think he's one of those guys that
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Speaker 1: his practice squad guy. He's one of those guys as
15:34
Speaker 1: many of these guys. People will look at the fifty
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Speaker 1: three and say, oh, this guy got cut and then
15:40
Speaker 1: in October is making a play for you and somebody's injury.
15:43
Speaker 1: That's the nature of the releases. Let me say something.
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of emails about we looked good,
15:48
Speaker 1: but it was preseason. Well, yes, and they were playing
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Speaker 1: a team of guys that probably will not be on
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Speaker 1: that Cowboys roster. That said, the throw that Trevor made,
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Speaker 1: the thirty yarder of Philip Dorset, you can't. It doesn't
16:04
Speaker 1: matter what the defense was. It was a throw that
16:07
Speaker 1: most guys don't make, a perfectly throwne ball right where
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Speaker 1: it needed to be. I think that works against most teams.
16:12
Speaker 1: So there's stuff that you sort of discount when you're
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Speaker 1: playing guys that wouldn't be on the field that one.
16:18
Speaker 1: I don't think you discount that was a real NFL throw. Um. Yeah,
16:22
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I thought that his
16:24
Speaker 1: comfort level. And they went back to it, right, I
16:26
Speaker 1: mean they went back to more in the shotgun. I
16:28
Speaker 1: think there's one snap too, maybe under center um from him.
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Speaker 1: The rest of the time was the bubble screen and
16:34
Speaker 1: the quick roll out. He just got into a rhythm.
16:36
Speaker 1: You could just see it. And Coach Meyer said in
16:38
Speaker 1: the postgame show last night, Yeah, I mean we those
16:40
Speaker 1: are things we knew he did well. So he always
16:44
Speaker 1: quoting him now, I all, we're always going to do
16:46
Speaker 1: what a player does well. So it got him going.
16:49
Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk last week but um
16:55
Speaker 1: about him compare him another quarterbacks. It was all this
16:59
Speaker 1: way to her stuff. You can't fake what we saw
17:04
Speaker 1: on the field during training camp. You can't fake those moments.
17:07
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's going to be this year.
17:09
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers are gonna be, and
17:10
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be Rookie of the Year. There's no
17:12
Speaker 1: question in my mind that at some point he's going
17:14
Speaker 1: to be really, really good because of what we've been
17:17
Speaker 1: around a long time. You don't see that many throws,
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Speaker 1: the back shoulder whatever, whatever it is, the door set.
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Speaker 1: He does that once a day in practice. He's the
17:25
Speaker 1: real deal there. There's no doubt. How you look at
17:29
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and the numbers that Herbert put up last year.
17:31
Speaker 1: But I mean Herbert had some big time wide receivers
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Speaker 1: on the field last year. I mean, do we know
17:36
Speaker 1: we've got that in Jacksonville to help him out? I
17:38
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we're gonna find out. He'll make
17:41
Speaker 1: all the throws, will they make all the catches, will
17:43
Speaker 1: they turn those catches into touchdowns? We'll find out. But
17:45
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. You can't watch this kid and say
17:48
Speaker 1: he's anything but the real deal. One guy that's going
17:51
Speaker 1: to help him is Livisca Chennult for sure, which is
17:53
Speaker 1: our next highlights. Trevor Lawrence wanted those reps. They almost
17:56
Speaker 1: didn't play him with four offensive lineman out. But this
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Speaker 1: will get people excited when you see this connection to
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Speaker 1: Levisal twenty three yard line Dallas into the field. Lawrence
18:07
Speaker 1: goes into his second quarter of work, and that is
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Speaker 1: Lavisca Chinalt, their second round pick last year out of
18:13
Speaker 1: the Sto High School in the University of Colorado, and
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Speaker 1: that guy can bring it as he showed it right
18:18
Speaker 1: there and coming out of high school in the Atlanta
18:20
Speaker 1: area on the corner of the end zone and it
18:24
Speaker 1: is the Trevor Lawrence and Lavisca Chenalta drive there for Jacksonville.
18:30
Speaker 1: It was funny. I was standing next to Brent Martineau,
18:32
Speaker 1: who was doing sidelines for the preseason broadcast with him
18:34
Speaker 1: and Bucky and they had an interview with Lavisca and
18:36
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm surprised you guys ask for me. I
18:38
Speaker 1: only made a couple of plays. And it's like, yeah, well,
18:40
Speaker 1: when you make plays like this, you're gonna get interviewed. Well,
18:42
Speaker 1: I mean that look that this play is nice, But
18:44
Speaker 1: it was the run through all those demands. My question is,
18:47
Speaker 1: and that's his style of play. That was the way
18:48
Speaker 1: he was at Colorado. He's certainly built for it. When
18:51
Speaker 1: you stand next to him, you can see that. But
18:53
Speaker 1: in this league that style doesn't work. Six sixteen seventeen games.
18:57
Speaker 1: You know, um, you're gonna have to pick and chew
19:00
Speaker 1: is when you do that with him. But he's a
19:02
Speaker 1: guy who is powerful and will certainly move the chains.
19:06
Speaker 1: He's almost a fullback playing rightning and he's better than
19:10
Speaker 1: a flight player, right, don't me wrong. Again, the throw
19:13
Speaker 1: to Laviska right there? Does that work if there's an
19:16
Speaker 1: elite level corner there. I don't know, but it's it's
19:19
Speaker 1: the right throw and it's the right read and it's
19:22
Speaker 1: in the right spot. Could get it. Yeah. So again,
19:26
Speaker 1: I think you saw a lot of things. I don't think.
19:28
Speaker 1: I don't think Trevor would have an eleven of twelve
19:30
Speaker 1: because the first team defense, but he would have been very,
19:33
Speaker 1: very good. And I got lot of question Shelann about
19:37
Speaker 1: are they as good as they were Sunday or are
19:40
Speaker 1: they as bad as they were early in the preseason.
19:43
Speaker 1: You know the answer. The reality with this team is
19:46
Speaker 1: they are not going to be an elite team. But
19:48
Speaker 1: they were much much better than they were in the
19:51
Speaker 1: first two games. And I think there's somewhere in the
19:53
Speaker 1: middle of what we've seen. They will have moments this
19:55
Speaker 1: year will you'll say wow, and then they have moments
19:57
Speaker 1: where you say, whoa what is that? I mean, that's
19:59
Speaker 1: just the nature of this thing. This year. They were
20:01
Speaker 1: one in fifteen last year. They've got a new coach,
20:04
Speaker 1: a new quarterback. It's gonna take some time, but with
20:07
Speaker 1: this quarterback, people will be patient because they understand what
20:10
Speaker 1: they see. Totally agree. Okay, this is crazy. We heard
20:12
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence talk about this in Big Things. This huge
20:15
Speaker 1: play from a guy who joined the team on Saturday.
20:17
Speaker 1: Coach Meyer shook his hand for the first time in
20:20
Speaker 1: the pregame meal. Devon Smith made a play that might
20:23
Speaker 1: get him a roster spot. Catch the ball, but the
20:26
Speaker 1: quarterback is not ready to throw the ball, so that
20:28
Speaker 1: was That's what what makes it a great job both
20:30
Speaker 1: of patient Jake that there deep down field, so it
20:38
Speaker 1: was reviewed for for a while. Definitely a catch and
20:41
Speaker 1: we go back to the spiderceiver. I don't know how
20:43
Speaker 1: they're going to decide this, but this is the definition
20:45
Speaker 1: of showing up and making a play. Least. Look, he's
20:48
Speaker 1: a second round pick, right, I mean, this was a
20:50
Speaker 1: guy who had the physical traits coming out of Ohio
20:53
Speaker 1: State that the Jets made him a second round pick.
20:57
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it didn't work. But that's where the
21:00
Speaker 1: familiarity comes in with with Meyer, that he gives him
21:02
Speaker 1: a shot and then he goes and does that right,
21:04
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the catch. Although the catch was impressive.
21:07
Speaker 1: It was the speed that he showed. Yes, and he John, well,
21:15
Speaker 1: this is what you do when you weren't good the
21:18
Speaker 1: year before, you take chance. They brought in Devin Smith,
21:21
Speaker 1: they brought in the Kwan Treadwell, they brought in Tavon Austin. Uh.
21:24
Speaker 1: Even Philip Dorsett to a degree, a lot of X
21:26
Speaker 1: first round guys. Uh. Dorssett PA doesn't fit quite into
21:29
Speaker 1: that because he was a free agent. But you bring
21:31
Speaker 1: him in, you see what you got, You see what
21:33
Speaker 1: they've got left. If you bring in what fifteen guys
21:36
Speaker 1: like that and you get to so be it and
21:38
Speaker 1: you keep on improving the bottom of the roster until
21:41
Speaker 1: until you can't improve it anybody. And you're not looking
21:43
Speaker 1: for all pros. I mean, you're looking for guys that
21:44
Speaker 1: make plays, They help the quarterback. If they give you
21:47
Speaker 1: a bigger season, you know, good for you. But you're
21:50
Speaker 1: looking for guys that upgrade your talent today until you
21:53
Speaker 1: can go get that young star receiver that you're looking for.
21:57
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Those are some highlights from the Jaguars preseason
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23:57
Speaker 1: was tough man. That was he became. I mean, I
24:00
Speaker 1: was a little choked up when I saw him in
24:02
Speaker 1: that office and I walk in and you know, I
24:04
Speaker 1: didn't know him at all. That didn't start off on
24:06
Speaker 1: the best of terms, because you know, I'm not sure
24:08
Speaker 1: on what you wanted to be here, you know. And
24:10
Speaker 1: I get it first overall picked and he's a competitive maniac,
24:14
Speaker 1: that guy, and I get it, and I told him
24:16
Speaker 1: the rest of his life he counted me as a
24:18
Speaker 1: big fan because he's a he's what you want. He's
24:21
Speaker 1: a warrior, he's competitor. Head coach Urban Meyer on the
24:25
Speaker 1: trade that went down over the weekend Gardner Minshew at
24:28
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles went down when we were on the
24:30
Speaker 1: plane to Dallas. Thank goodness, I bought the flight WiFi
24:34
Speaker 1: or else I wouldn't have known. But what do we
24:36
Speaker 1: think about this trade? I think it makes sense for
24:38
Speaker 1: all parties involved. Well, it's my hot take. So should
24:41
Speaker 1: we get to that? Is that sweet? Yeah? Go for it?
24:43
Speaker 1: All right? Fine, okay, go ahead, hot take. Um. C J.
24:46
Speaker 1: Bethard I think deserves credit for making the right discasion
24:51
Speaker 1: the ups because he outplayed Minshew. He and credit I
24:56
Speaker 1: think to Trent Vaalky and urban Meyer who brought c. J.
24:59
Speaker 1: Bethard in and throughout O t A S. Everybody's saying, oh,
25:02
Speaker 1: c J. Beth is horrible at Gardner Minshew's out playing. Well,
25:06
Speaker 1: it didn't turn out that way, and it was to c. J.
25:08
Speaker 1: Bettis credit because he came in did the things offensively
25:12
Speaker 1: they wanted to do. How do I feel about the trade?
25:14
Speaker 1: I think urban Meyer expressed what um the reality the NFL.
25:20
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that urban Meyer wishes in his
25:24
Speaker 1: core that Gardner Minshew was a big time NFL quarterback
25:28
Speaker 1: because he is a competitive maniac all that stuff. But
25:32
Speaker 1: he's just not an elite level guy and he's not
25:35
Speaker 1: he's not the right guy in this situation. Well, they
25:37
Speaker 1: can't make all the throws, right, so you want him
25:39
Speaker 1: to be good? At you said of Jacksonville, felt that
25:42
Speaker 1: you wanted this guy to be good? Yeah, and he's
25:47
Speaker 1: you know all that, but once it translated to the
25:50
Speaker 1: field and teams figured him out, then it was just
25:53
Speaker 1: sort of a Then if he had an arm, he
25:55
Speaker 1: would have been a second round pick and a rock star. Yeah, absolutely,
25:58
Speaker 1: but he couldn't. You saw the throw that he made
26:00
Speaker 1: right before the half that was intercepted on the deep ball.
26:04
Speaker 1: He just he just and some deep throws down the
26:07
Speaker 1: field where he he just doesn't have the arms. Absolutely,
26:10
Speaker 1: because you liked him just who he is, right and
26:12
Speaker 1: he would have been amazing if he had an arm.
26:13
Speaker 1: Of course, he would have been a second round pick
26:15
Speaker 1: at that point. So here's my sense, um. I when
26:19
Speaker 1: I sat with coach Meyer when we did the broadcast
26:21
Speaker 1: production meetings, I got the sense that they they believed
26:25
Speaker 1: he could be a solid backup in the league. But
26:27
Speaker 1: Bethard was coming hard. I mean his arm strength against
26:30
Speaker 1: the Browns showed it right there. Then they believed they
26:32
Speaker 1: could get a draft pick for him. I didn't think
26:33
Speaker 1: they could get a draft pick for him. I didn't.
26:36
Speaker 1: I mean one in seven last year. You saw they
26:38
Speaker 1: benched him here, right, I didn't think they'd get a
26:40
Speaker 1: draft pick. They got a six, could be a five
26:42
Speaker 1: if he plays. Congratulations, good for him. He gets another chance.
26:46
Speaker 1: He goes to a great football city, but the Jaguars
26:48
Speaker 1: have Trevor Lawrence, so minshu Mania goes into the annals
26:52
Speaker 1: of history and jack but again that's my heart. Take
26:57
Speaker 1: you O t A s People was one of them,
27:00
Speaker 1: absolutely just I think in beth Rood was awful and
27:05
Speaker 1: because he didn't look good at no Tis he didn't
27:07
Speaker 1: agree that, but did there are no ta s And
27:10
Speaker 1: what he did during training camp, he was making the
27:13
Speaker 1: throws that you have to make in the NFL to
27:15
Speaker 1: have The gardener sometimes does not do that. So that
27:18
Speaker 1: was the difference in the two plays. It didn't translate.
27:20
Speaker 1: And our biggest question was can Gardner do it when
27:22
Speaker 1: the lights go on when it counts, because he did
27:24
Speaker 1: look better than Bethod and tis Well, it was clear
27:27
Speaker 1: as day when the lights came on on the field
27:30
Speaker 1: playing in a game. There's the difference, right. Frankly, I
27:33
Speaker 1: was surprised. I've never been overly high on me. I
27:36
Speaker 1: think people who watched the show know that NFL quarterback wise,
27:40
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like skill set is there. Um.
27:42
Speaker 1: But I was also surprised that he played as poorly
27:46
Speaker 1: during the preseason as he did that. He had been
27:50
Speaker 1: better in the past, and he was not very good
27:52
Speaker 1: in those two games. That throw in the red zone
27:54
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, that was intercept. You just can't. It
27:57
Speaker 1: was you have to know you don't even throw that.
27:59
Speaker 1: You just take the sack because you want the points.
28:01
Speaker 1: You can't do that. That is that is the massive
28:05
Speaker 1: competitor on steroids where it goes way too far. I'm
28:09
Speaker 1: going to force this one in there. He didn't have
28:10
Speaker 1: the arm like Luton does. Luton fired that one to
28:13
Speaker 1: Tyler Davis in the end zone here against the Browns.
28:16
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't make the throw right, do what
28:18
Speaker 1: you can do, Trevor Lawrence. Let's move on. Enough of
28:22
Speaker 1: the backup quarter. We we won't mention C. J. Bethard again.
28:26
Speaker 1: Maybe once or twice, I hope not. Speaking of steroids,
28:29
Speaker 1: I believe you have a hot ta. UM. Yeah, I
28:35
Speaker 1: don't quite know what to say about that. I do
28:38
Speaker 1: have a hot take, UM, And my hot take is
28:41
Speaker 1: at the run. Defense will hold opponents to four yards
28:44
Speaker 1: to carry, so they gave up four point seven when
28:46
Speaker 1: you're the bottom of the league last year hundred and
28:48
Speaker 1: fifty three yards per game. UM. Anything below three point
28:53
Speaker 1: nine is elite, right, I mean, that's that is championship
28:57
Speaker 1: caliber run defense. They're not there but seven tenths of
29:00
Speaker 1: a yard and makes a huge difference because the Jaguars
29:03
Speaker 1: will be able to force teams to throw the ball,
29:05
Speaker 1: which they couldn't do last year. It's only seven tenths
29:09
Speaker 1: of a yard improvement, but it is massive in terms
29:12
Speaker 1: of how the Jaguars can play defense. And from what
29:15
Speaker 1: I've seen, that is entirely possible. They have done it
29:18
Speaker 1: consistently through three games. You know what you see from
29:21
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence on the field, and you know what he's
29:23
Speaker 1: capable of. I saw enough from the run defense in
29:26
Speaker 1: its different iterations, different people, against different teams to know
29:29
Speaker 1: that they'll be able to stop the run much better
29:31
Speaker 1: this year. And here's the key to this. Stopping the
29:35
Speaker 1: run does not automatically mean you are a good team,
29:39
Speaker 1: but you cannot be a good team if you don't.
29:42
Speaker 1: So this team now has a chance to start competing.
29:46
Speaker 1: If you can't stop it, you can't compete well if
29:48
Speaker 1: you can't stop there. And then you can't run the ball.
29:49
Speaker 1: And the coach said he wants to run the ball
29:51
Speaker 1: because you find yourself in a hole and you try
29:53
Speaker 1: to stop it. Teams will never bother, right, So why
29:56
Speaker 1: have pass rushers that you pay a lot of money to.
29:59
Speaker 1: You're figuring an out? Do you think after seven years?
30:01
Speaker 1: Do you think so? I think you're there. I appreciate that,
30:04
Speaker 1: all right. I gotta love kicking drama on a Monday morning.
30:07
Speaker 1: My hot take is that Josh Lambo has passed the test,
30:10
Speaker 1: but the test is not over. He passed it yesterday.
30:13
Speaker 1: We all heard head coach German Meyer in his press
30:15
Speaker 1: conference last week say, yeah, make the field goal bluntly, Okay.
30:20
Speaker 1: Josh Lambo made the field goals yesterday at Coach Meyer
30:22
Speaker 1: praised him in post game. I don't think this test
30:25
Speaker 1: is over though. I don't think that Urban Meyer trust
30:29
Speaker 1: Josh lambocent. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they bring
30:32
Speaker 1: another kicker in here to compete with him at practice.
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see how it goes, but I
30:36
Speaker 1: think Josh Lambo has some work to do. He got
30:39
Speaker 1: a step closer yesterday, But pay attention to this. This
30:43
Speaker 1: I don't think is solidified quite yet. I think he
30:45
Speaker 1: really really wants to trust Josh Lambo. Um I think
30:49
Speaker 1: Josh Lambo, throughout the course of his Jaguar's career has
30:52
Speaker 1: done enough to be trusted. But within the time frame
30:55
Speaker 1: that Meyer has watched him. You know, he had to
30:58
Speaker 1: missus from fifty in the first two games. Um Meyer
31:04
Speaker 1: would be disingenuous to come out and say I absolutely
31:07
Speaker 1: trust him when when I've seen this. But Urban's interesting
31:12
Speaker 1: to read in press conferences. I asked the question about
31:14
Speaker 1: the specialist he was. He praised Josh Lambo and went
31:19
Speaker 1: out of his way to praise Josh Lambo. And the
31:21
Speaker 1: answer to me that shows that, yes, he passed the
31:24
Speaker 1: test and he's believing in them more. There were times.
31:29
Speaker 1: It's a shorter leash, I think than fans would expect
31:32
Speaker 1: considering Lambo's history here. There were times in the practice
31:34
Speaker 1: field this summer where the coach would go stand next
31:37
Speaker 1: to him before he'd make a kick, and you could
31:39
Speaker 1: tell that made him just about everything time. Yeah, that
31:41
Speaker 1: made Josh nervous. So he's pushed, push, pushed. It was
31:44
Speaker 1: It's kind of good cop, bad cop. Was kind of
31:46
Speaker 1: my sense of that. Here's my question, is it a
31:48
Speaker 1: hipper who is the good cop? Urban was both Um
31:52
Speaker 1: he was, He's bad cop during training camp. It was
31:54
Speaker 1: a good cop yesterday. Is it a hipp ory yip right?
31:57
Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, does he have a case
31:59
Speaker 1: of the yips, you know where you just pulling it,
32:02
Speaker 1: just like when you're on the golf course and you're
32:03
Speaker 1: putting and you can't quite hit it. Or is it
32:05
Speaker 1: that hip injury that's still you know, still giving him trouble.
32:08
Speaker 1: I know that he went and worked with some specialists
32:10
Speaker 1: and special physical therapy folks in the off season to
32:14
Speaker 1: get himself to a point where he'd be able to
32:16
Speaker 1: be consistent and to trust it. But it looks to
32:19
Speaker 1: me like he may not trust it or he may
32:21
Speaker 1: not be healthy. So I don't know whether this is
32:23
Speaker 1: just him because the coach is standing next to him
32:25
Speaker 1: in practice and he's yipping, or if it's the hip.
32:27
Speaker 1: We'll find out. We will find out, but we know
32:29
Speaker 1: it's one step closer. When he's good, he's really, really good.
32:33
Speaker 1: He is very consistent. Right when we come back on
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