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Freedom, Honest Feedback, and the Cost of Staying Misaligned - EP012 · Freedom Flip

• 0:00
  I'm at an event with a bunch of people who have sold the business. There's a really charismatic, successful, interesting guy. I can just see his eyes looking over my shoulder around the room for people. My gosh, he doesn't realize how incredible he already is. And he's searching externally for the big fish in the room to go jump on. He probably never gets feedback from anyone that's not, you're the man.
• 0:21
  That actually puts him in his own prison. I sent it and then he responded and said, I'm really glad I met you. This is one of the most important messages I've ever received. What percentage of people are around a great group of people pushing them to be better in the world? Standard deviation curve starts small, goes up to the middle and out. You're cutting off the lowest end and the highest end.
• 0:41
  Those are the tails hypothetically of drug addicts, people living on the street. And then the high end, those are the makers. Here's the flip that I have that's different than a lot of people is. I think both edges of these tails are actually slaves and victims of a capitalist system. The more I get exposed to the people on the high tail end, it's like they're addicted. Most people can't figure out how to make money. The other group can't figure out how to stop making it.
• 1:04
  All these different organizations, why am I joining them? I'm just looking for the perfect people, my perfect tribe, the perfect organization, looking to create my own Frankenstein. You grab the organization that we were in and you flip almost 80% of the things that they do. They are for profit. We are non-profit. They put quantity of members over quality. We put quality over quantity.
• 1:25
  They allow people to show up and be takers. We only want givers. I just need to get out of this thing. I am dating YPO, I am dating R360. I just don't want to date anymore. I just want to get married for life.
• 1:38
  All right, what's up? I'm going to Cuba. I'm going to see communism firsthand. Dude, I mean, I think about a lot. It's like, hopefully it helps relieve you. A lot of people have to have a sensory experience to see or feel pain. I love history, so I love learning about this stuff, which I may not be one of those people, but I don't think I've ever been to a communist country. I was at the border of North Korea, but I'd never, you know, I went across the border, but I wasn't really in North Korea. First time going in a country ruled by communism. Yeah.
• 2:07
  I had never been to Cuba, but I would say that my understanding is you can go to Cuba, stay in a five-star hotel, never see absolutely anything, or you can go and walk the streets. And this might not be the case, but like...
• 2:21
  just women offering sex in exchange for a pen, right? Or something like that. I don't know yet. This is very outdated, what I just said, but that's kind of like stories that I heard like 15 years ago when I was traveling around Latin America. Wild to think that whatever, 60, 70 years ago, it was thriving.
• 2:39
  Before Fidel and Castro, Castro and his brother, before they came through, it was the spot to go for the U.S. to get away for a weekend. Thriving. I also, I'm just going to give the other side, which is thriving for who? Now, I also believe that now it's thriving for very, very, very, very, very few that are controlling the ship. But there is another side.
• 3:03
  and i am no communist or no sympathy to that but i also think that it's not always as as pretty as it's been as it sounds for the reason that this might be like an enclave let's say of the us to funnel a lot of things and then eventually just disappears let me start on flip to the positive the part i agree is there will always be someone lower than others always there's never going to be parity right equality
• 3:30
  No, that doesn't exist. And you said this, right? It's a question of, do you want a few military or government leaders that are thriving as they are now, and everyone else is just in a terrible place? Or do you want maybe to see people coming from other countries, maybe in this case the U.S., that are enjoying life there or bringing a bunch of money and spending money and living at a really high level. Now, a bunch of other people come up higher. You know, there's still going to be some poverty. But that's the choice. I have a different take also, which is...
• 3:59
  If you want centralized authority, communism or a king or whatever, then you might be benefiting from more equality, let's say. Communism, at the end, we know that it just doesn't work, etc., etc., and ends up really, really bad.
• 4:19
  Also, it ends up really, really bad because the capitalist competitors create blockages against those countries. Meaning, I don't know if you know this, so Cuba has been in a blow. They've been blocked. From doing business. If you do business with Cuba, we don't do business with you. And they're like, yeah, I don't want their bananas. I'm just going to buy the bananas somewhere else. But I want to do business with you, USA. Yeah. Oh, you do business with North Korea? We are not going to do business with you. It makes it even worse.
• 4:49
  And then you have, well, North Korea keeps buying from you. The USSR keeps buying from you. So you went from having potential of 200 countries to have just, that is a problem for
• 4:59
  any country that of course never is talked about it because it gives a little bit of hope to the communist narrative and again i think that communism is a piece of and doesn't work let me just be very clear and i live 30 years of my life in a communist country communism does not work especially the worst you know which one of the worst are the ones that are well we are like socialist democracy like yeah you are the worst guys
• 5:23
  the worst. But here's what I would say. Let's talk about the monarchies or I don't know why I saw like a video of this is the North Korea that they don't want to show you. And it looks very clean and it looks very, it doesn't look very modern, but it looks very clean and so on and so on. And what I would say is like, okay, let's just say that that's true. And everyone has access to education. Everyone has access to medicine. Everyone has access to the basics.
• 5:53
  Nobody's living on the streets. Nobody's hungry, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're saying this is theoretical because it's not the case. I have no clue. I've never been to North Korea. I'm not going to go. Let's just say that that's the case, okay? Let's entertain this example. The question is,
• 6:07
  is what do you have to give up in order to get that equality? First thing on the prompt, I think it's the appearance of equality. There's never equality. The attempt at equality. No, let's just say the equality of the minimum basic things. Let's just say, let's entertain the idea for all the communist lovers that the housing is provided, the basic food is provided, a place to work is provided.
• 6:37
  Which on a humanitarian level, a person that really cares about everything, it doesn't sound super bad. It sounds like, okay, well, maybe if we give up a little bit of our shit, so everyone at least have a place to sleep and is not a drug addict and is not in a terrible position and receives education and receives health, maybe that's a good word. This is how people get tricked. So that's why I'm saying let's entertain the idea, right? Yeah.
• 7:07
  So then the question that I ask to those people is, what do you need to give up? Or what do people that live in that place need to give up in order to have this minimum guaranteed equality? Standard deviation curve, right? Starts small, goes up to the middle and out. In that theory, you're cutting off the lowest end and the highest end. So in that theory, it's saying the little tail at the end and the little tail at the beginning
• 7:35
  Those should not exist. What are those tales? Those are the tales, hypothetically, of drug addicts, people living on the street, which may or may not want to be addicted. And then the high end, those are the makers. Now, here's the flip that I have that's different than a lot of people is. I think both edges of these tales are actually slaves and victims of a capitalist system. I love capitalism.
• 7:58
  But the more I get exposed to the people on the high tail end, it's like they're addicted. There's the quote, most people can't figure out how to make money. The other group can't figure out how to stop making it. And those are the two edge tails, right? There's the tail here, can't figure out how to make it enough to just, you know, have a roof over their head. And there's tail here, can't figure out how to stop chasing more.
• 8:19
  Somebody asked Rockefeller, when are you going to be done making enough money? When is enough? And he goes, just a little bit more. That was his response as the richest man in the world. So now here's the flip. If both sides are suffering, right? Theoretically, at least in what I've observed,
• 8:35
  It's the middle who benefits the most because these capitalistic leaders, titans, are every hour thinking about how to make more money, which requires them to make better products and services, which increases the livelihood of the middle.
• 8:50
  The lowest end likely going to suffer regardless, even in a society where you try and give up more resources. Right. A lot of times I have a bunch of mental health, bipolar, depression, anxiety in my my family. Right. It's like, you know, alcohol, drugs, all these things exacerbate it. Right. So you have to final answer to your point is you have to give up a lot of freedoms where they kind of just lock you away.
• 9:11
  Or in a lot of these cultures, they will push assisted suicide where it's like the untruth no one wants to talk about where it's like you're not free to go suffer. We don't want to watch you suffer. We don't want the state to have the burden. So we'll just take care of that bottom part. Like I've got a solution because it's better for the state. So what is the answer to my question? You have to get rid of the makers, the biggest makers, and both of them go away. The standard deviation curve. That's what happens.
• 9:37
  I think that there is a bigger trade-off. Let's hear it. You have to give up freedom. Of course. And I think that that is the biggest thing. And it's not only the freedom of doing what I want and be able to enjoy the fruits of my productivity or pay the price of my mistakes.
• 9:58
  but it's about the freedom of speech, the freedom of saying things that you agree that you don't agree. And to me, that is the biggest problem. Even though I agree with the other problem, which is you are not able to do you and to express yourself in work and in a productive way, unleash your creativity, which is a terrible thing if you are not able to do that. But also I can say maybe...
• 10:26
  90% of the population in the world cannot do that. Some of them, they live in terrible conditions without a proper passport or without the proper visa to go on, live in a fertile land where they can plant a seed and then something grows. Some people are living in a gray country with all the possibilities, but they have that mindset and they are a slave of their own creation. Some people may even have money, but they are still a slave.
• 10:55
  But the biggest problem, in my opinion, is you do not have the freedom to say what you want to say because you are going to get snatched, basically. I agree with you. And the way I look at it is I was giving an example. You have fair and freedom. The more free a society, the less fair. The more fair, the less free. These are just counterbalanced. And fair is with quotes, right? Fair, equal. It's a BS term because it's a theoretical. It's not it's not practical. Right.
• 11:29
  Nothing makes me laugh harder than a little kid yelling F word, yelling any cuss word. It's so funny. It's so hysterical. I love watching it. But they get, they're training us, right, to realize when they say the word as a two-year-old yelling it, which we have a good friend and she cusses all the time. Well, her kid started cussing. And she starts laughing because it's hysterical to hear her little two-year-old saying this. But then the kid knows if they want to get a laugh from any adult.
• 11:58
  You just drop the F word. And these are things that you don't think about until you have a little CIA spy around you all the time, also known as a child. Yeah, what is the effect of that? The kid eventually turns 30 and 40 years old. What is the effect of the father cussing? I'm not saying in a crazy manner, but let's just say normal. You just say bullshit. You just say shit. You just say, or whatever. My response or my thought would just be,
• 12:26
  It's kind of like sugar for me. Like if I keep sugar around the house, I'm going to eat it all. So you know what? I just don't keep any, like my Neanderthal brain, just no sugar, no problem. I can cuss and I just start dropping them all over or I don't. You know, not cussing, I don't have to think about it. And the two reasons, right? One is I'm more specific with my language. And then the second is I don't have to think about them repeating this in front of everyone. And I don't want to tell my kids no to anything. Like I want to allow them to explore and learn and grow.
• 12:55
  So trying to say like, hey, you can't say the F word, dude. You're only six and you're in kindergarten. The parents aren't ready for it. Like you're going to break the brains of the teachers and the parents. That's me trying to confine and restrict and control him and what he's doing.
• 13:10
  Right? So it's like, my goal would be, hey, this isn't something when you're 10 or eight or something. Well, yeah, we can have a conversation. But right now, he's very motivated for reactions. They want to see adults dance. And he's so good at it. Like, he knows how to poke the button, poke the bear. So switching gears.
• 13:33
  Pablo, I'm proud of you for the impact you've had on me, the example you've set. And these are the things, like even you and the message with the guy, mutual friend we have that, you know, is kind of a big promoter. Because you encouraged me, I did the message. His response was, I'm really glad we're friends. This is one of the best messages I've ever received in my life.
• 13:52
  Why don't you give some context? Quick context is I'm at an event with a bunch of people that sold, most of them have sold a business. Interesting group. There's a really charismatic, successful, interesting guy. This person had just been to a big conference where he met some of the biggest business names in the world. And he was in a room with like five of them for an hour or 30 minutes just chatting with them. And these are people everyone would know that are leaders of finance and business and everything else. And while I'm talking to him, I can just see his eyes looking over my shoulder around the room for people.
• 14:22
  And I got this vibe of like, wow. Like my ego, of course, gets hit, right? Oh, I want to feel important enough. But there's a separate piece of, oh my gosh, he doesn't realize how incredible he already is. And he's searching externally for the big fish in the room to go jump on. And I mentioned this, and I'm really pushing this freedom to speak honestly and truthfully in a helpful way to myself and others. And Pablo says, why don't you tell him this? And I was like...
• 14:50
  Yeah, that sounds right. So I said, hey, man, can I give you an idea and some feedback? And he was like, sure. You know, do you want to do a call? I said, I can drop a quick voice note. This is an extremely financially successful person. He probably never gets feedback from anyone. Ultra popular in his environment. Magazines, companies, investor, leading investor, like massive.
• 15:18
  That actually puts him in his own prism of not getting real feedback from others. Maybe. I don't know. We don't know for sure. You're right. You're right. My guess is most people would be timid to be honest in a way, even with the intent to be helpful.
• 15:33
  I think that it all depends on the people that you surround yourself with. If you are surrounding yourself with people that is just transactional, well, who the f*** cares? We are here just to squeeze each other's f*** and that's it. We are transacting, whatever. Nothing bad. I have nothing against anything. Just don't touch mine, okay? Just keep your hand away. South American, keep that out of here. Don't let it out of the closet.
• 15:56
  But what I mean is if he's constantly in transactional relationships, I don't think that there is real good feedback to give there because I think that he's awesome at being ultra transactional. So if that's the people that you are relating yourself with, it's like...
• 16:13
  Dude, amazing. Just keep doing that. You're super successful. Oh my gosh, I wish I am you and I can take pictures with all these famous people and have all the money that you have and be so popular and be so famous and blah, blah, blah. So I don't think that there is real feedback if he is mostly or only living a transactional life, which apparently he is. I'm sure that he has another life, but in all the environments, in the groups that we see him, he is mainly transactional.
• 16:43
  And I think the important thing, too, is I've only talked with this person probably three times. Really, you know, one of them was he shared kind of his whole life story. Has a great, seemingly great marriage, great father. So the feedback, so then because of a great ping from Pablo to go for it. I left a voicemail. I was like, and I meant this sincerely. Dude, you're awesome. You're an incredible human in business, you know, in everything you've done. Yeah.
• 17:08
  It doesn't matter if you're in this other country with the biggest people in the room. It doesn't matter if you're searching for them. You're already awesome. Your kids think that. Your wife thinks that. Your business partners think that. You don't need these other people to validate it or need to find the next person. And when we were talking, I felt that you were looking over my shoulder the whole time searching for this person in the room. And whether or not, forget my involvement, your future partners, investors, friends, kids...
• 17:38
  right? If you're not present, you're not giving them your presence, which is the largest present you can give the kids, the partners, everything. And I just said, I think that you're already so great. You know, you deserve to be present at every moment. It's something more or less on these lines and felt a little uncomfortable sending it. I don't, you know, know him three, talk three times and I don't, I don't have an intention. I don't need something from him. I'm
• 18:00
  you know, sell something. I don't, I don't, he could say, Hey, you know, I've never talked to you again. I'm like, that's a risk, right? There's a single digit percent chance that happens. And then I sent it. And then he responded and said, I'm really glad I met you. This is one of the most, you know, important or helpful or something messages I've, I've ever received. And, and it's so funny, right? Because you said it. Yeah. If you're, you're assuming we're around a good group, let's ask you what percentage of people are around a great group of people pushing them to be better
• 18:29
  Very little. Okay. So let's pause on that group, push that to the side. The majority of people are around a group that they're not doing that. They're more transactional in nature. They're more whatever it is. So if everyone's operating in that way, right, this is the excitement of you being a great influence on me. Hey, Peter, well, why don't you just say it? And when I said that, well, suddenly I'm operating as a 1%.
• 18:53
  of people, which helps him, right? Let less. And he looks at it and says, wow, right? I could just say, guy, Hey, he delivered it. He doesn't have like an angle or I don't think there's an angle.
• 19:06
  wow, like he took a risk to try and help me appreciate that. And this, you know, maybe he reframes it and maybe he's coming back to something. I don't know what it is. And maybe it opens the door from transactional to transformational where he's starting to think about like, oh, wow, yeah, I don't need to go chase, like, you know, grabbing the dong of, you know, the famous banker and the famous private equity guy. Like, I don't need to do that. I don't, oh, I should be, oh, wow, I'm not as present with my kids. Let's just disclose that you don't know if he likes grabbing the bank.
• 19:33
  I know. He's a happily married dude. I'm joking about the pictures, right? I mean, it's kind of like when you're doing the picture with a famous person, it's like you're basically just cupping their d***. Like, you see this? I'm here. He's here. Do you see what I'm holding? I'm touching him. We start to worship something, right? Some people worship the business icons, right? And now some of them are great men. They're all fallible. They all make mistakes, as you said earlier. They're all having sex. They're all pooping. They're all crying. They're all doing...
• 20:01
  things they regret they're all you know bad people on certain days right the good and evil runs through the heart of every man allows a line through the heart of every man right like they're making bad decisions they're all of these things so why worship them not not a good idea great story next story this story is sponsored by liquid death send us the check please i would rather lay it all out raw
• 20:30
  Okay. So that in a year, two years, 10 years, we have the raw emotions, feelings, thoughts, everything, rather than any of this posturing, suppression, censorship of speech, worries, any of that. I'm serious, right? Like even your worries around, quote, some of the things they ask you to do, part of me is like, this is freedom of speech, bro. Ethically, I have no interest in talking about other people without their consent, right? That's just more of an ethical thing. But who cares? It should be laid out.
• 20:59
  for our memory and then whether or not we want to publish it we can decide but this is way more for me and for us and for i think of processing right now
• 21:08
  I think that there is a bigger narrative or a bigger takeaway from this example. I mean, you just shared the example of one person, but the takeaway that I got from this is many times we meet a person or we encounter a situation that we are like, I didn't really like this guy for whatever reason. And what we tend to do is to say, OK, out. I don't want you. You're an asshole. And so on.
• 21:37
  lean to the people that I already know that they are great people for me, right? Because this is only just, it's very subjective. So the takeaway is like, well, yes, but why are you not sharing your opinion or you're sharing your experience or your feelings with that person?
• 21:54
  And I think that that is a massive flip because that is the ultimate filter. So you gave feedback. You're coming from a good place. You're sharing your experience about something that happens. And this can go either way, right? They may be like, they may never respond and be like...
• 22:10
  This guy, he didn't want to invest in my fund. I'm not going to waste my time with this guy. Or to be like, this is amazing that this guy told me this. And maybe some internal exploration starts to happen. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. But at least there is some of that. And I think that at the end of the day, my biggest takeaway is this is great for you. Either way.
• 22:32
  Because you are being honest with yourself. You are acting in alignment with yourself. And that is the ultimate incredible feeling. Because you are being truthful to yourself and you are being aligned. Which I think that connects a lot to what happened with me in the last week.
• 22:49
  Just two thoughts before you flip into the other story. Don't ask the question. Just have it. All right. So one thing that I've been trying to practice is, do they want this? So even there, I said, can I give you some ideas and some feedback? If they say no, great.
• 23:04
  Right. The door's closed. They don't want, they're having a bad day. They're just, they're having a bad year, a bad lifetime. I don't know. Door's closed. But when they say yes, they've cracked it open. That's one thing that I've, there's like a tennis court and it's crossing the net, right? It's crossing to their side of the tennis court or their side of the ping pong table. I want to have permission to do that without barging across.
• 23:24
  And I think that's a really important piece. And that's something I think is really effective because then you also may realize you don't need to do it. The other piece that I want to make sure, because we talk a lot about this alignment and being in alignment. When I was 10 years old, I thought looking at porn every day was alignment for me. I was like, I need porn. I need this.
• 23:42
  And there's a concept I keep driving in of this like dirty dopamine. We get those are impulses. Those aren't our true self and alignment. So like me at 10 to 27 every day, you know, firing up the AOL modem to get on. You know, that's not alignment. That's a Peter is in a hedonistic dirty dopamine hunting phase. The last piece that I want to tie in with this is how do you know the difference? That's the key question, right? Yeah.
• 24:10
  Do you have any idea how you might be able to find the difference, Pablo? How do I know the difference? I'm trying to find something else that is not that obvious that this is in alignment to watching porn is not in alignment with what I want, or I know that...
• 24:28
  If I want to eat a cake right now because I'm having a bad day, I know that it's not in alignment. I know this. How do I know? I would say. Well, because I've done it 300 times and I know that it's out of alignment. What about something new that you can't tell? This is the important thing.
• 24:45
  I would say, I don't know exactly. Give me something new. The new guy, I had the conversation with this guy. He's looking over me the whole conversation. And you're feeling that something is off. This is my own view, right? That I'm leaning into really hard. And honestly, a lot of it comes from when you, I watched you book a private jet and you're like, I'm uncomfortable. Okay, I need to do it.
• 25:03
  That's really the genesis watching you plant a seed in my head. If you feel uncomfortable before you do it, and then after you do it, you feel great, that is the sign you're living in alignment. If you're feeling great about the idea, it feels comfortable, it feels good, I'm just going to go watch some porn, I'm going to go yell at this guy, I'm going to be emotional with him, and after the event, you go down, that's dirty dopamine, that's ego, that's an impulse. Right?
• 25:30
  It's a flip. That is great. I love that. Yes. The feeling pre and post. That's it. I got goosebumps when you said that. Whole body goosebumps. Full body orgasm. Good. Look. I'm with him. Look at his dog. Look at this guy. We might even be friends after this. This guy. This guy.
• 25:53
  Peter, this is why we are very good friends because I always want to be friends with Tony. I'm the closest. You're the closest. It may be a C or D version, but you know, only a couple of people can get the real one. Like this is, you know, those purses, if you can't afford the real one, like the fake ones are basically the same now. Like what? Exactly. It's like Canada for Gucci, I get the fake Gucci. I get the fake Tony. Who will notice? Nobody will notice. It's fine.
• 26:23
  My favorite is when it's people like you that are like current or former complete fanboys of Tony.
• 26:28
  Like our friend who is with us in Miami that have been to all the events. When it's like, when people are actually the big Tony fans are like, you remember a lot of Tony Robinson. I've never been to any of his events. I don't even think I've read a book. Like maybe I've skimmed one or something. When people are like, you got the jaw and the voice and the like high energy. Yes, a hundred percent. Does he drink caffeine or alcohol? Probably not. Alcohol, I don't think so. Caffeine, I don't know.
• 26:56
  Well, look, dude, and I don't even charge you to hang out with me. How much does he charge? Well, it depends. It depends who you are. Yeah. It just goes up and up the more rich you are, right? He just charges. You're a billionaire? Okay, $100,000 an hour. Millionaire? $10,000. I don't think so. I have no idea. You know that world. He definitely has people that he works with. And I think that that's totally fine, right? One thing is to hang out. A different thing is to say, we are working together, then...
• 27:24
  Let's put something so this is valuable rather than this is a donation. And it's like, what is... So let's just exchange some value. Let's not do this communist thing. Let's just bring capitalism here. So anyhow, we diverted with Tony. Let's go, Tony. Tony.
• 27:44
  I think this is powerful because there's a business organization that we're part of. I was in a position where they said basically, hey, we're probably going to remove you or we're thinking about removing you because I had done something in an effort to help the group. I don't have anything to sell. I wasn't running a business.
• 28:00
  Just something I thought what I would enjoy and I thought everyone else would. It became very popular. I did break one of their rules about engaging a couple people. So admit, you know, hand up. But I went into like I'm in the principal's office and it brought me back to like third grade and it's like, all right, go down with with Billy. You're going down the principal's office. You guys got caught. And it was like a very intense feeling, especially because I was really excited by these people and the group and everything. And I mean, I'll be honest, I feel like I took a coward route of basically saying,
• 28:30
  Hey, I didn't mean to. I understand you're mad. And I was proud of myself because rather than get defensive, I was like, I tried to flip it. And I literally started with, I can understand you're frustrated because there's two people that didn't like this.
• 28:41
  even though 98 or 198 loved it. Let's just be clear, right? What, because people may say like, who did you kill, right? You just created a WhatsApp group. I created a WhatsApp to have the members speak. And you grabbed the members and you just added them. We had like 70 to 80. I thought there were another 20 that weren't in it. And people kept asking me every day, add me to this group, it's so cool. I did a mass ad of the final, what I thought was 2030, I had my assistant do it. It was like 60, two of whom were like, I don't want to be in this group or I don't know who added me.
• 29:11
  two, five, it doesn't matter. But someone says like, who the f*** is adding me to this group? Which they are in total right to say that. It's like, hey, I joined this network not to be added to random groups. So avoid that. And then you are getting called to the principal's office and you to say, okay, what you did is against the rules. You should not have done that. But the question that I have for you is...
• 29:36
  I was never called. Okay, maybe you can explain what happened. I was just told by somebody that's kind of a friend. And he basically, he's an organizer, kind of a quasi-employee. He goes, hey, they want to kick you out. No one ever emailed me. No one ever told me this. They're trying to kick you out. And I'm defending you and I'm standing up for you.
• 29:56
  I hear nothing else. So nobody told me anything. He just called me and goes, hey, what happened? And I go, we started a group and it was everybody agreed. We got up to 56 and everybody wanted to be in the cool club. I made a mistake, added everybody, which all of them were excited because they'd been asking anyway, except two. Wait a second. Was this before you made me an admin and remove yourself or after? It was all the same day. But how did you know that you made a mistake?
• 30:21
  Because he called me. He goes, hey, man, they want to kick you out. It's the weekend I met you. How wild is that, Pablo? It's the weekend I met you. But think about the significance of full circle moment. Me about to end. This is two years ago. We moved in together right away. It was just... No prenup. No prenup.
• 30:39
  I thought I was a tech guy, never had a business. So I get a call that says they want to kick you out. They're really mad about this. But you were, wait, wait. You were like, okay, but what happened? And that's what they told you. And then you're like, oh, okay, I didn't know that. Something like that. I can't, it's too hazy. I can't remember clearly. That's a good point. I went into complete, you know, coward mode of like, I'm sorry. I don't, you know, but then it was so weird because I heard nothing for like a month or two months. No one ever followed up. No one told me anything.
• 31:09
  And I was like, and he basically said, if I were you, I would close down that group. And I was like, well, you can't really close down a WhatsApp group. These boomers have no idea how this works. Unbelievable. Turn the internet off. What are you, North Korea? Like, what are you doing? So I was like, dude, the only way for me to do that, and I actually said this to him. I said, the only way for me to delete every member of the group, and they're all going to be really pissed because most people love this.
• 31:36
  And he was like, well, so then nothing happens. I go, I meet you and I'm like, well, you know, I'm moving in with this guy. We met, love it for a sight. This Pablo dude. Hey, you take this. Here, it's a hot potato. Take the hot potato. That's not exactly what happened. So we just met with Peter, right? We almost kissed. He almost touched my butt. Like, right? So we just met. And then the next time, this is like the first episode.
• 32:04
  Maybe 24 hours or 48 hours after we met. We talked like four hours though that night. You have to mention. Very romantic walk in Austin downtown, avoiding needles on the floor. Yes. We, I think the next day, you literally made me an admin without asking. Total break of non-solicitation, by the way. I just want to make this clear. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Sponsored by Liquid Death. Speaking with the employees of the organization, please take action. Total break of the solicitation. He made me. It's not that he added me to the group. He made me an admin. And I didn't say yes. Unbelievable. Totally. No consent. No consent. No consent. I didn't even want consent. I'm not a lawyer, but I think that you broke the law there. I'm not a lawyer, but I think that you did. This is your Argentina coming out. You made me an admin and then you quit the group.
• 32:57
  And the next message DM is like, hey, can you add me back? And I'm like, what just happened? It's so weird. And that's when we were, they didn't even tell me the whole story. It's like, well, yeah, they just got mad because I added people and that's it. I'm like, okay. But coming back to your story. So, hey, they want to kick you out. What happened? Then you share a little bit. And then like crickets, you hear nothing or what happened?
• 33:22
  No email, no follow-up, no communication. And I had been practicing. I started my truth journey, and I was like, I'm confused, and I'm just uncomfortable. This is a very weird situation. So I said, the guy who's the most mad –
• 33:37
  supposedly, right? I hadn't talked to him. I don't know what I'm told, right? I don't like telephone games. I don't like indirect things. I don't like any of that. So I just shot an email and said, I have some ideas for this organization, which I shared with you the email, right? Of something I think can really help it. And I'd love to talk about what transpired. So I proactively did that. And my intention was get on the call and flip it. Start with what I would guess he thinks I did wrong, right? And I agree, right? That was a mistake in retrospect.
• 34:06
  Or I made a mistake in retrospect. By the way, this is what we do as entrepreneurs. We make mistakes, right? We take action and then we make mistakes and then we correct. Let's just keep going. Totally. So I communicated the mistake I made. I said, hey, if you want, you can try and close down. I don't recommend that for these reasons. And this is too far along for me to remember the conversation well. And then I moved into like, hey, here's a new idea. Conversations seemed to go really well. Sorry, you were on the phone call. You were on an email. Phone call or Zoom.
• 34:34
  Oh, so you were speaking with the person. I was uncomfortable. The idea of doing the phone call made me uncomfortable. My hands down at the bottom of the screen, like coming back to...
• 34:43
  If you're living in alignment, a lot of times you are uncomfortable with the action that's in alignment until after, and then you feel great. So I was so uncomfortable. I was like, I don't want to talk to this guy. I don't want to go to the principal's office. I got sent there in school. Now I'm offering to go into this, what feels in my mind like I'm a caveman. I'm going to the lion's den, right? I don't want to go and see the lions. How many times do you think that I was called to the principal's office? Yes.
• 35:06
  This is a really good question. You were probably not as good at getting, you were either really good at not getting caught or you just didn't care and you always got caught and they got mad at you. And it's one of the standard deviation curve. You're on the far right or far left and I don't know which one it is. I think that I was in both. Really? Depending on the year or the teacher or something? On a percentage basis, the amount that I got caught is very low, but the amount of times that I went is very high.
• 35:34
  It wasn't you were one or the other. You were both. Dude, that's the same me. Like I was student body president of high school. So I would leave the high school and the dean would be like, hey, Peter, have a good day. And then he'd like bust all the cars behind me. And it was like I just knew how to work the system to get around the communist structure. But yeah, I mean, you're right. I'm probably the exact same. I always said if I wasn't leading, then I was causing the trouble.
• 36:00
  Like I was either helping lead and solve problems and organize, or I was just kind of a piece of junk, just like making people laugh or causing. So let's come back. So you are having a phone call. You are explaining your ideas. What are you doing? I start with just saying, if I were you, I would have seen this and been frustrated.
• 36:20
  with the action I took. My intent was to add 10, 20 people because I was getting, the result was not that. It was a larger group than I expected and it created, I understand two people were frustrated by that and mentioned it to you. This is important to you. I don't wanna add headaches to your job.
• 36:38
  I'm sorry. I still think it's great and it's been super popular and blah, blah, blah. You know, I highly encourage you to lean into it. But be careful with this Pablo guy. You said that also or not? I said, you can't trust an Argentinian. They all make everything up. They have to because in communism, you act like you're working and they act like they're paying you. So it's all just a scam. They just learn scams very early. It's the system. But his response was, we can't do a WhatsApp group because we can't control it. And...
• 37:06
  We're worried people are going to solicit and someone's going to get scammed and they're going to be mad at us because it was on WhatsApp and we couldn't see it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is the fascinating thing, parenthesis on that, is that their lack of thinking. I don't want to say their thinking. I would say just their lack of reasoning, their lack of first principles thinking. It's mind-blowing with excuses as the security is not there or like security is not there. Like what?
• 37:37
  Your tiny organization has a better security system than Meta. And by the way, your website sucks and your app sucks.
• 37:46
  Your website doesn't even load and I'm using – I'm logged in. To be very honest with you, I gave the feedback. I said, like, listen, nobody is going to really use the website because it's really bad. It's really bad. Like not bad. Like it's really, really bad. Not to mention that. Another issue is most of the members have admins that do all this kind of stuff for them, yet they don't give admin credentials.
• 38:07
  They don't give admin credentials to do the basic housekeeping because security, whatever. Just create another tier of logins so people can seriously. So the problem is, for context, we are speaking with employees. We are speaking with people that have a job. They don't have freedom, freedom of time, freedom of money, freedom of decision. They are employees that...
• 38:35
  of a private equity. So they are obeying our orders, trying to do their best, I would say. I think that really they are trying to do their best and they are trying to
• 38:46
  navigate so many different requirements from people. On one side, we have the younger folks, the under 45 years old people crew that we are very much into WhatsApp and we communicate on WhatsApp all the time. And we know what a good website and a good app is and we know what a good one is. And then you have folks that are 60, 65 plus that they don't know.
• 39:13
  What is the difference? And we are saying, hey, just this is better. They just come with this example of, ah, the security is not there. You know, I understand, blah, blah, but here's the problem. And then they just keep adding nonsense, right? They keep adding, well, we cannot control. It's like, what are you talking about? Like, YPO does it. They have like a million WhatsApp groups. What are you talking about that you cannot do it? And then eventually...
• 39:39
  They create a WhatsApp group, an official WhatsApp group for our community, the younger folks, because things went off the rails or the cat was out of the bag or we gained critical mass or whatever analogy you want to make. Meaning the WhatsApp groups exploded. We started creating WhatsApp groups of different topics that we are interested. Why? Because we want to have daily conversations.
• 40:08
  with the people, with our peers, the other members of the organization. Sue me, bro. Like, of course we want to talk with each other. It's like saying, wait a second. I need to authorize Zoom calls when you guys meet. Like, of course you can't. And what the, and the crazy part is like, we said to them, it's like, you do it. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So they said no.
• 40:30
  we ended up creating these things ourselves. And I think that eventually, this is my speculation, that eventually they realized, okay, okay, we're gonna create one WhatsApp group for you guys, the official one. So then you have the official WhatsApp group, the non-official WhatsApp group, and the non-official tons of other groups with different topics that we discuss.
• 40:57
  So keep going. No, I love everything you said. Two thoughts that are interesting are, and you're going to, I'll present your idea too. So I think I'm getting kicked out because I create this group. Then I get a message that's like, hey,
• 41:09
  uh will you actually i had another idea we should do a pre-event i had been to this conference with this you know hippie group and i was like let's do a group where the knowledge is brought out and i had this idea and either just before that or just after they're like hey will you be the the co-chair person of all this under 45 under 49 group one thing so that happened in our last event
• 41:32
  Right? A year ago. Almost a year ago, 11 months ago. Yeah. But this problem happened two years and three months ago. So just to wrap up that, basically they didn't kick you out. They never told you anything. There was no closure, right?
• 41:47
  Well, because I forced this call, this phone call. I was like, I want to have a phone call. Okay, okay. Wrap up the phone call. So what happened? The phone call, basically, I gave ideas. They were kind of ignored. I apologized. No, no, no. But in the ideas, they are not ignoring the ideas in your face. These are people, very politically correct people, that they are telling you something. For the events, they need to be a certain quality or people complain. WhatsApp isn't safe. There might be solicitations, blah, blah, blah. I see.
• 42:12
  What was wild though, you know, and this is the other thing is when we say an organization or even a company, you still have disagreements in that. Like there's a person in that organization that does a lot of the events and stuff. And that person identified me as like, this guy has great ideas. We should do it. She and I like clicked. She's like, man, I really like your ideas. I want to pull more. Well, her boss doesn't, right? So what's really interesting though, but within one year, so I'm almost kicked out. And then within one year, I'm asked to lead a...
• 42:41
  in a volunteer role, I'm not getting paid, just like use these ideas. And I create this event that's before the big annual event, we did a special one that was just, it's, you know, it was free. We didn't have to pay some bad speakers. We didn't have to do anything. It was just member led ideas. Then we voted on the best ones, the ones we were most excited to hear. Then we listened. Now it wasn't perfect. We should have done smaller groups and yada, yada. There was a lot of learnings, but it was the highest rated part of the entire event for that group that attended it.
• 43:10
  And for people listening, you called it the UN conference. So we went to the annual conference. And before we did the UN conference, and it was very good, even though I think that a couple of speakers were pretty bad. I don't even know how the hell someone voted for that. The key point to drive that I want to close the loop on for everybody is...
• 43:34
  Whether it's telling this guy I met at a party this weekend, my honest feedback of like seeing that he's looking over me, or whether it's telling this organization, hey, I did something wrong, but I was trying to help the organization. Here's some ideas. It flipped from like, I think my time with that organization or with this person could be over. And because I went to the uncomfortable thing, right? I'm down at the bottom of the screen.
• 43:55
  After I did the uncomfortable, it's like a rocket ship. This energy is released of excitement. And I was told by that guy, I gave feedback, hey, this was one of the most important or helpful messages I ever received. And I was told by the organization, hey, we want you to lead this group. Now, Pablo might say they put me in charge of the group so they could control me and I'm a puppet. And he had some good comments about it, which may be true. Well, let's just also, okay, let's double click now on that, right? Because...
• 44:21
  If it's face value, it is a reminder to everyone. When you go in a unique path that's in alignment, that is uncomfortable, you can open doors that you don't realize exist, whether it's God, the universe, or just whatever, you go and get the grain. It will help your life. That's the key message I want to drive. Now you take and run with it. I have two thoughts here that are a little bit contradictory. One is, I think that there is a bigger plan in the way that they do things.
• 44:49
  And I think that they do it in a reactive way. So in your case is, oh, no, no, no. WhatsApp, no. WhatsApp, no. WhatsApp, no. And then they create a WhatsApp after one year or something like that because they're like, well, you know, everything that we think about WhatsApp is still true, but we are going to create this WhatsApp group for 300 people. It's like, what are you talking about? This makes zero sense. It's so contradictory. And the question is why they are doing it.
• 45:15
  Are they doing it because they're like, you know what? I think we might have been wrong. Potentially we may lose these people. Potentially these people may start their own because
• 45:24
  More and more conversations are happening outside of our control. Therefore, okay, let's just pretend that we... Let's do this so we can... What is the intention? Is the intention to help the community? I don't think so, because if not, you would have done it originally. And if not, you would just maybe just expand more groups. Maybe the intention, again, I'm speculating here. The intention is more, Jesus, how do we mitigate what just happened?
• 45:51
  What can we do to try to bring back the control, the reins of this? Okay, let's just do this. Let's just keep talking. The other groups are bad. Now we have this official one. And at the same time, let's just keep talking that WhatsApp are not good. Okay. Yeah. That sounds great. Fantastic. Okay. We agree? Okay. Fantastic. Let's go. Yes. I don't know how they decide in their meetings. Whatever. Okay.
• 46:15
  That's one note I think they may not, and it may be different opinions in the organization. Some get it, some don't, and they may have inner conflict. And then another part to me is like, I don't think that these guys are very smart at all. So one part connecting back is like, hey, Peter has all these ideas. Peter seems to be a person that people look up to him and he's a leader in this separate group group.
• 46:38
  that they, because Peter created it and so on and so on. A lot of people like Peter. So, and Peter just proposed this idea, man, this guy, if he keeps doing what he's doing, he's going to pull this, he's going to pull this off on his own, with or without us. Hey guys, these guys are going to pull it off with or without us. Okay, let's just, let's just, okay, let's do it, let's do it. That makes sense. Yes, yes, yes. And then they show up
• 47:04
  And then they try to steer it or control it. I don't know what was your experience. This is why I was making fun of you saying that you were a puppet. Because...
• 47:14
  I felt that they were just controlling you, but I don't think that we really speak about that. So that was just my feeling. You know, I want to give you feedback. That's why I call you a puppet. No, I loved it. I loved it because like part of me was excited. I was like, Oh, this is like my ego is going like, Oh, pretty cool. This. And then you get out of your like effing pub puppet. You're there. Little, you're like, it was really good. And I, I appreciated it. I think one thing that comes back from a book, uh, the, uh,
• 47:42
  Morgan Housel book, with enough information, all actions become clear. And I think, right, it's kind of, you know, what you've talked about. When you have private equity, you have, I need a goal in three years. So there's a lot of fear about not hitting that goal.
• 47:57
  When you have long-term people or organizations or business owners, they're thinking 10 years out, five years out, not three or two. Not only that, this is fascinating what you just said because, yes, private equity owns this company, this organization. I don't know for how much they own. It doesn't matter. But it sounds or it seems that private equity is running.
• 48:19
  The show has the playbook and it's steering the vote and it's marking the direction. The challenge with that is they are very short-term oriented as any private equity or most private equity that we know. But the members, the members don't show up or don't sign up. The customers, right?
• 48:38
  The customers don't sign up to this to say like, oh yeah, this is just a one or two year thing. The customer shows like, I'm looking for my tribe. I became successful. I had this successful business. I sold it or I still have it. I am successful. I have XYZ financial success. I want to be part, I want to find my peer group. Okay. This organization is great. Oh, fantastic. Nobody joins being like, this is just a two year thing. You join thinking this is
• 49:05
  This is my place. And then this is not just me or you saying this, but this is a feedback that I get from other people also. It's like, ah, no, this is just like the way that they run this thing. And it is, it is very transactional. It is, there is a, I would say, I guess that some people really care about the customers, the members, but I think that overall what they really care is about their goal. Correct.
• 49:32
  And their goal as a private equity, private equity has only the goals here, right? Our goals are here. Those goals are three year here. Well, no, I would say our goals are here. Their goals are in a different planet. Yes, exactly. Different galaxy. What is the only goal that private equity has? Grow it and sell it for more, right?
• 49:50
  You skipped one part. The first step is get it for the cheapest price you can get. Negotiate down. Then the second step is. The bottom line is they want to grow the business. They want to sell the business for more than they bought it. And that usually comes with, we also need to show growth. So we get a higher multiple, a higher valuation. That is the only reason that I wouldn't say 100% of private equity, because I don't know 100% of them, but most private equity exist. So their goal, what is their goal? It's to increase revenue and increase profitability.
• 50:20
  In which timeframe? Short? Three, five, seven years? What is the goal of the members? It's not to increase revenue. We don't care. It's not to increase profitability. In fact, we don't really want to increase profitability because that means that
• 50:34
  someone is paying more with lower quality or with higher prices or both or a combination. We don't want that. We don't want lower quality. We don't want higher prices because we are paying, right? That is a massive, total different galaxy in types of goals and incentives. And that's, I can't remember the point that I was trying to make with this. I think it's actually a microcosm of it's a government. This is all the same as if we were a country. Just think about it.
• 50:59
  Well, I don't want to go there, Peter. We're going to end up talking about North Korea again. Like, come on. Just, we're almost there. It's just misaligned interests. One group's long-term, one group's short-term. It's going to blow up. That is basically what we, what to me, the penny dropped. And I'm going to tell the story. But I heard this from many other people in the past. When they quit, I'm like, why are you quitting? This is so great. And they basically say this, like, oh, my group sucks.
• 51:26
  I'm like, dude, just change to another group. Like, no, no, my group is a piece of, this is garbage. These people soliciting all the time, sharing their fund, the real estate thing, da, da, da. I'm like, this is worthless. And I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? I met so many great people. And I think that they have a very unique filtering mechanism for individuals to join, which is a certain amount of net worth. I don't think that that ever existed, at least in the communities that are public.
• 51:55
  Which is like, if you have XYZ amount of money, whatever, 10 million or 20 million net worth, then you can join this group. And I think that that created a massive filter for who could join. They have a character one, which most of that are people who made it themselves. And my friends who make fun of this are like, dude, the majority definitely.
• 52:17
  But that's not a requirement. It's not a requirement, but what I'm saying is that it has attracted mostly those people. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. As part of the character. Because if you just inherited a bunch of money, a lot of times you're messed up in the head or you got all these problems. Like you don't – a lot of times you're not in the filter. Now, granted, they're owned by private equity. That will change.
• 52:33
  But it's an important differentiation because I'll meet my friends will make fun of me back. Oh, you're hanging out with rich people in this rich group. And I'm like, well, no, these are people that just see the opportunity in the world, solve others problems and get rewarded for that. And I want to see the world in the same way as them. Like they raise the bar in my head from what can I do? Even the nonprofit, right? Let's forget our business. I joined forces with this other guy in that organization to create a nonprofit. Don't divert too much.
• 52:59
  And then you see the world grow in a bigger way. And so I agree with you. It's a filter for people who see the potential in themselves, the world, and have executed on that in most cases. Yeah. So I think that they did a great job coming up with this filter of XYZ net worth and the way that they measure the net worth. I think that that has been great. It also attracted a lot of transactional people.
• 53:22
  Because if you have a net worth of 20 million or 50 million or 100 million or whatever, and you still feel very insecure for whatever reason, and you still feel that maybe after, if I make a little bit more, maybe that's going to be that, then I will be happy. Then I will be able to exactly.
• 53:38
  I'll be with the famous guy. Maybe finally all my problems will go away. And maybe I will finally feel safe. I don't know. We all are battling different demons. And the solution is never on a little bit more. The next deal, the next whatever. So it attracts a lot of other people like that. What about a better cap rate though, Pablo? Exactly. You know what? I don't know what a cap rate is.
• 54:01
  I'm not sure that I want to know. I know that it's connected with real estate and so on, but not sure that I want to know. So there is, I would say that maybe 10% of the overall network of people, 1,000, 1,500 members, something like that. So 10% of that, we found our own tribe, which are these incredible people.
• 54:22
  humans that are non-transactional and that they are all about growing themselves, learning in order to become better humans and givers. They give, they want to help. They ask deep questions. They want to have deep conversations. They want to have real conversations. That is a small
• 54:48
  In my situation, I don't know how to share the whole thing, but what kept me for so long after being a member for five years and one month, I think, what kept me for so long, even though when people were leaving, I'm like, dude, why are you leaving? Like, there's...
• 55:03
  is that I found that tribe. I found that tribe, that group of incredible humans that I wanted to be around. And there was no other outlet that provided the opportunity to have these monthly meetings, to have these offsite events where we go somewhere and we do something cool. So the way my approach was from the beginning,
• 55:27
  in this organization, which is kind of like what I usually do, when I care about something, I want to help to make it better. That's what I do. If I don't care, I'm like, I don't care, bye. I leave. I do nothing. Same. But when I care and I see the potential, part of my founder edge that Anastasia helped figure out is when I see this product that could be this perfect product,
• 55:53
  And I see the market need. These people say like, we want this perfect product. I'm like, dude, it's, hey guys, listen, you almost have the perfect product. You just need to do this, this, this, this, and this. And then all of a sudden people are just going to love this. So for five years, I've been trying to work internally inside of this organization for free, right? I don't get anything in return and I don't want to get anything in return.
• 56:17
  I'm just working because it's part of who I am. I see that this mismatch, this misallocation, I want to help bring that together. And when looking back, I realized that I've been facing all along the way
• 56:32
  with no because this or blah, blah, blah, but a little bit of hope, but overall not similar to you, right? Which is like, well, they did the end conference. They told me if I could, if I was able to lead it and so on. And okay, they are changing, you know?
• 56:50
  This is, there is hope here. It would be way easier if they were like, no, for anything that we say or we do. Because they're like, okay, you guys. So there is a little bit of hope there. This is the part that I'm like, well, maybe this is strategic because they realize the cut is out of the bag. These guys are, they are influential. So we want these guys creating a lead. Let's just give them the perception that they have something here going on. So what happened? Yeah.
• 57:16
  So 20 days ago, now it's maybe 25 days ago, I got a call from the CEO, from the employee. And he basically said, hey, Pablo, listen, so I just want to have a call with you because we received several members complaining, which is after speaking with several people that had the unfortunate situation.
• 57:37
  experience of having to deal with him. That's kind of like a keyword that he uses. He talks about several members complaining. He never gives a number. I got shocked. I never, I didn't ask a number of people I should have to understand the magnitude of what he's talking about. And there is no...
• 57:54
  He will never say the name. That makes a lot of sense because you want to have an organization that people can express themselves or submit a complaint without their identity getting disclosed. That makes a lot of sense to me. But I never asked for like, how many? How many people are complaining? So, but the bottom line is the complaint was you broke confidentiality, you solicited, and people are complaining that you are not behaving with respect. And I was like...
• 58:23
  This is serious. And I am shocked. Give me the details. So then he tells me the details. Basically he doubled down on what he said. He, he accepted my resignation letter. He doubled down basically saying like, Hey, I just want to make things clear.
• 58:37
  Can I give a little context now with this? You got contacted, felt, I was like, oh, I've been there. I was like, I got to help my boy out. I've already been in this hot seat. And I get contacted and he's like, hey, you broke these three things, meaning confidentiality, non-solicitation, and respect.
• 58:57
  And I'm like, okay, give me the details. Well, confidentiality, you basically, you shared something about a person. And this person is not a current member of the community. This person is an ex-member of the community. And you shared XYZ information about this person on a group chat. That is against the...
• 59:19
  Our law, basically. He's like, can I ask you how did you find that information? And I'm like, yeah, I asked him. He's like, 404, like what? I was like, yeah, I asked him that question. I asked him, hey, can you, don't lie to me, please. Tell me XYZ. And he told me.
• 59:37
  And that's what happened. And the rest is history. And I shared this. And yet, to be honest with you, I regret that decision of having shared that. But he's like, well, yeah, but you also broke confidentiality. And I took him as face value. I'm like, okay. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Okay, fine. Non-solicitation, a friend of ours created a group where she is giving a course. This is game experience.
• 1:00:04
  changing, life-changing course. I attended to two events. I paid for everything. You attended to one. You paid for everything. This person just happens to be a friend of ours. And the only thing that what I did was I just blasted the message and like, hey, guys, you need to join this group. So she's going to be announcing new dates. You have to do this event. This is incredible. I did two, blah, blah, blah. And there is no break. There is no fault in that. But,
• 1:00:33
  But what I was accused is that I added. So 100 people clicked on the link and joined her group. Of a group of 250 people, 100 people clicked on the link and joined. Massive conversion rate. And the challenge or the non-solicitation that I broke is that I added 20 people.
• 1:00:58
  without their consent into the group. These 20 people are friends of mine. It seems that not everyone is a friend of mine. Or maybe someone joined there just to see what was happening and saw that I added 20 people. Honestly, I have no idea what happened. I have no clue. But...
• 1:01:15
  Yes, I broke non-solicitation, even though I received zero financial compensation. Me adding someone to a group, that is according to the rule solicitation. And then the last one,
• 1:01:28
  which is maybe the biggest accusation of all, in my opinion, at least in my book, accusing me of being a person, like being disrespectful and whatnot. Well, shockingly, he could not give me one single example about it. This is why, this is the difference between proof of stake and proof of work. Give me the proof of work.
• 1:01:48
  Well, let me just tell you about the stake here and all these things and all this. Like, you know, I don't give a shit about your credentials. Just give me the proof of work. Show me the proof. There is no proof. Maybe there is. Maybe he didn't want to share it. I don't know. I never received it. So, and I was switching groups. I was switching from one group to another group. And I was literally in the transition of the group.
• 1:02:11
  And he wanted to have the call with me before my meeting. And my meeting was one hour after the call with him. He said, I wanted to have this call with you because here in the organization, we approve all the members. Moving from one group to another one. And, you know, because this is a serious thing that happened. And of course, I wanted to have this conversation with you because I wanted to get your side of the story. Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  we need to review internally before we decide. So right now your move to the new group is pending. And then I'm like, that to me was like, but so sorry, employee, are you telling me that you might kick me out of the organization? Or there's just a paperwork issue. Is this like manila envelopes? Well, you know, this is an important thing. I basically just regurgitate a bunch of,
• 1:03:04
  things that employees do very well saying without saying. Kind of like saying, yes, yes, we may kick you out. We don't know. We have to check. He didn't say that, but that's basically what I, my translation. But don't worry because, so this is a Tuesday. Don't worry. By the end of the week, beginning of next week, we just give a closure to this. I'm like, oh, cool. Fantastic.
• 1:03:26
  So Friday comes, I receive nothing. I'm like, well, he said Friday, beginning of next week, beginning of next week, Monday, I receive nothing. Tuesday, I receive nothing. And now my brain starts thinking, I'm like, what is going on here? By the way, in the middle, I read the agreement, let's call it the membership agreement.
• 1:03:46
  that talks about confidentiality, non-solicitation and whatever. So the respect one, I just throw it in the garbage because without proof, I don't care. I asked for proof. You told me that you were going to give me. You didn't send me anything. I discarded. Then I have two problems, confidentiality and non-solicitation. Non-solicitation, okay.
• 1:04:03
  Let's just say that I broke solicitation for adding 20 friends into a group. Yes. Like, yeah. Okay. Got it. I received no compensation. I'm not soliciting, but okay. In your book, I am. Okay, fine. Confidentiality. Here's the interesting part, Peter.
• 1:04:18
  The confidentiality, I think that is amazing. I think that is a critically important thing to have in our organization so people can open up and whatever you say is not going to get disclosed. And the confidentiality, the way that they have it set up, which I agree, is if we, both of us, we are members and I share something with you on a meeting, online, on a chat, on a direct message, on Facebook, on a coffee shop, etc.
• 1:04:43
  doesn't matter anything that i say to you it's confidential and you cannot share it that makes sense now here's the question what happens if i stop being a member and i meet you at a coffee shop and i tell you something is that bounded by confidentiality no i i never told you that information it doesn't make sense yeah because expand it go to the extreme they were a member 10 years ago
• 1:05:09
  And you talked to him. So I'm like, okay, this person...
• 1:05:16
  shared with me something about himself while he was a non-member. That is not bounded by confidentiality agreement. Because the person is not in the organization. And I know that they may want to hold you forever, but they can't. Now, I agree with non-solicitation after the fact that you are a member. So what do I mean with this? Because if not, you may have a lot of people that come into the organization. They grab all the connections, all the contacts. They leave.
• 1:05:46
  And then they start soliciting. That would be like, no, dude, this is terrible. People are joining the organization with a great story, whatever. Could they qualify? They just come here to get a lot of leads. And the only way that they can transact is by leaving. So therefore they leave, they transact, they solicit. So therefore they leave and they start soliciting. So in that sense, I'm like, dude, that's phenomenal. That's great that you have that kind of framework. But in terms of confidentiality, there cannot be a...
• 1:06:13
  At least that's my interpretation. I cannot understand how this would be even possible. Pulling out to the goal, right? It's, it's, they have strict interpretations.
• 1:06:23
  They can't back up some of them. I just want to flip a little bit to where I hear this and I'm like, oh, I went through this. Now, I'm not in the hot seat anymore. The hot, the light isn't on my face and I'm not, you know, in the principal's office. So I don't know if you remember this, but my conversation was, hey, I'm going to go do a call with him and explained he might be getting fired from his employee role. It's like, if he tries to do this, like I'm gone and I'll just convince everybody else they should be done.
• 1:06:50
  And we're going to flip it. And I was really inspired by your response, which your response was, no, Peter. Wrap on this one of the story, which is Monday comes, nothing. Okay. Tuesday comes, nothing. Now I start thinking, I'm like, okay, maybe something is going, whatever, right? Okay, maybe, okay. Wednesday comes, nothing. Thursday comes, nothing. Friday comes, nothing. And I say, I'm just going to send an email because I don't like to be in this position.
• 1:07:20
  So it's like, Hey, employee, I, I,
• 1:07:23
  It's Friday. You told me last week or beginning of this week, I would like to get a resolution to my situation. Expecting to hear a response of an employee that I think that he works almost 24-7, I would guess, because it's an important organization and he's in an important position. He doesn't respond on Friday. He doesn't respond on Saturday. He doesn't respond on Sunday. I'm like, ah, whatever, weekend, whatever. He went fishing, maybe. Who knows? Monday comes, no response. I'm like, okay.
• 1:07:52
  Tuesday comes, no response. All right. Wednesday comes, no response. So I sent him a WhatsApp. I'm like, hey, employee, did you receive my email? No response to the WhatsApp. So in all this, I would say it's in the moment that I sent the email on Friday. Now I am digging deep in my soul.
• 1:08:12
  And I am really going back in the last five years in this organization. And I am looking at what I have been doing, my proof of work, trying, doing my best to make this community better. And again, forget about, for one second, the approach that he's telling me, hey, listen, people are complaining that you did X, Y, Z. I think that that's fair. You should bring to my attention if someone is complaining. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  but just the way that everything is handled, like I'm going to keep you in the hot seat for whatever reason, whatever excuse I have, I'm not going to respond to your emails. Seriously. That's when I'm like, okay, this is...
• 1:08:53
  Now this is, why should I be in this position? The only thing that I've been trying to do is to make the community better. And again, as an entrepreneur that is taking action, I make mistakes and I am here listening to the feedback, correct and get better. But I am not here to be called to the principal's office and to be left there for a week or two weeks. Like, what's going on here? Like, this should be a prestigious organization. So that's when...
• 1:09:22
  the soul searching started happening and realizing, oh, I think that I understand the problem. I see the potential of this product, of this organization. I see the need for,
• 1:09:37
  the unmet need of these incredible humans. And I am trying to work within a crooked organization, trying to straighten it up so they can keep building. Wow. I'm trying to build another floor on the Tower of Pisa in Italy. Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing. Ain't going to work, dude. Because it's going to make it fall over faster. Can't handle that. All the people inside of the Pisa Tower, they are like, stop it.
• 1:10:07
  Stop, you're going to kill us all. Yeah, dude, we've been chilling like this for 300 years. Just let it ride. And that's when it clicked. And I realized this is such a waste of my energy. This is so misaligned with what I want to do in the world. I've been doing my best. And I didn't want to listen to the feedback of people telling me that, of course, after I let the guard down and I started receiving everything, all these voices came back to be like,
• 1:10:36
  No, no, no, this private equity. People soliciting me, my groups. And I realized, oh my gosh. And if you speak with any of the people, and you know several, any of the people in my ex-group, just ask what was the group before and after. And just ask who was leading the change and the difference. And that is, I put so much energy. One more time. It's not because I want people recognize me or whatever. I don't give a shit.
• 1:11:06
  unmet need and this product that is just a couple of tweaks, not that complicated, right? Not that difficult. Just create more amazing events, make the meetings more efficient. Let's go deeper. Let's focus in a little bit more areas of life rather than just real estate deals and bulls. The cap rate.
• 1:11:27
  Let's go back to it. So I think here's the fascinating, Pablo, I want to hit. The third one that he couldn't back it up for, I think he's actually right. I agree with you. Yeah. Why is he right? Because you're focused on truth and truth requires people going deeper. And those that don't want to focus on truth are like, no, no, I'm getting dragged into the light. I don't want this. I'm getting challenged in my story that I present.
• 1:11:51
  And for context, so we have all these WhatsApp groups and anyone that knows me knows that when I hear something that doesn't make sense for me, I just engage in a conversation. Most Americans are like, oh, just let them, it's fine. And what I say to those Americans, I say to them, this is not me with one person having a fight or having a challenging conversation.
• 1:12:21
  Me with one person in front of 250 people listening to this exchange. I am not trying to change the mind of the other person. In fact, I want to change my mind. Please change my mind. I want to know what am I getting wrong. I don't know. I don't understand what you are proposing here. This doesn't make sense to me. So let's just engage in a conversation. And that's just how I roll. And with that, so when I bring energy...
• 1:12:51
  into a conversation, when I bring fire into an end, into a conversation, snowflakes melt because the snowflakes melt with fire. I mean, this is just physics, right? I didn't invent physics. It is what it is. God invented it, whatever. It is what it is. So it's very possible. This is just speculation. Who knows that snowflakes.
• 1:13:11
  that cannot tolerate the fire because they melt, they went and complained. Nobody ever came to me and say, Hey, Pablo, listen, I think that up here and here and here, and this is the, I think that you were very disrespectful here in this situation. You said this, this, this, and this, and you shouldn't have said it and blah, blah, blah. And here, by the way, nobody, nobody came to me and said that. Well, in fact, one person said that and we jump into a great conversation.
• 1:13:36
  Where the person, after I gave the context, the person is like, okay, I see now. I understand. That makes sense. You could have said this differently. And now I said to that person, you are 100% right. Yes. I'm in the way that I said it. Next time when I have to say something that is that important, I want you to be my advisor. Because this person is great at communicating ways in a way that I am not that great.
• 1:14:01
  And she's a, she just being a female has a different perspective that is helpful to us. And at least some of the audience as well. Well, I don't know why you are genderizing the situation here, but it's true. This is genderless. He, she, did they, a, eat dog, cat, who knows? Let's get to the part that I'm most impressed with. The easy route that would have felt comfortable is listen to your friends, listen to the people that are like, let me fight for you and you should stay in and blah, blah, blah. Like that's, that's, I'm a pirate.
• 1:14:30
  Give you an example of your idea. Yeah, my idea was spin it. Like I would get on a call. Have a call with the employee. And I want to correct the kind of day-to-day leader of the organization because employee doesn't recognize his influence and ability. I mean, he's either number one or number two, depending on the internal dynamics of running. That doesn't make him a leader. Sorry. Sorry. You're right. He is the boss. Leader is a chosen one you follow. A boss is something. I don't know. To me, it's an employee.
• 1:14:58
  To me, that's not, I don't know. I don't know what is the definition of a boss. It's different. An employee is different. If I'm watching, I hear employee, and I think it might just be the person that answered the phones. I have no idea what decisions he's able to make or don't make, so I don't want to say that. But what I would say is he is the member's employee. Let me ask you a question. Who he should work for?
• 1:15:20
  If it's long-term focused, it would be the clients. If it's short-term focused, it's the current owners that are a one-night stand, getting their low value price buy and selling it for hire. Any company that sells a product or a service, their employees work, should work for the customers. That's the only way to build something sustainable. If they work for somebody else, then we have misaligned incentives,
• 1:15:50
  that maybe 100%, almost 100% of the revenue comes from the members. So we are...
• 1:15:58
  the customers, even though many times we become the product. No solicitation, but we receive solicitation from their sponsors. Who gets the money, right, from the sponsors? They get it. We don't get it. Pull back. So the flip that we were excited about, the goal was, let me get on a phone and explain tables turned. Why should you have a job? If you remove him and we all leave, what do you organize? What is this role that you're doing? Like how will your slave masters at the private equity firm
• 1:16:26
  Deal with that. You know, do you realize the influence and, you know, the value that's been provided? And, you know, that was an ego and emotion, right? This is, you're somebody I really care about. And I, not only you, but the principles and values that you're showing are important to me. Your response was, no, anything that's communist will die. It's just a matter of when, just a matter of how long it takes. And it was powerful, man. It shook me to my core of like, wow. And it brings back, you don't read the history, but- Just to clarify, when I say that, when I said-
• 1:16:55
  this is got anything that is communism is just going to die. It's just a matter of time is because communism is looking to a standardized to the lowest denominator rather than looking to optimize for truth. So what is truth? The free market is truth. Now I get it. We, there is no free market anywhere in the world because governments intervene in many places, but the.
• 1:17:22
  The best version that we have of a free market is a capitalism, capitalist society. Best version of, well, and then the extremists, the communists, which they try with their ideologies, policies, and so on. They want to standardize. The lowest common denominator. Yes. And you recognize that. And you said, I don't want to, I don't want to slow down the decay and death with anything related to me. We need to let it happen.
• 1:17:49
  Yeah. So basically what to translate that, what I am saying, what I was saying there was, Peter, if you go and do that, you are going to be slowing down their death. Just let it happen. That was the thought. That's a mic drop. I'm going to pick up the mic and just throw this mic down right now. Now I send the message on Wednesday, right? And I am waiting and then nothing happens. And then
• 1:18:14
  The penny keeps, starts dropping fast. Why am I here? Why am I in this group?
• 1:18:22
  And then the reason is like, well, because my friends are there, blah, blah, blah. Because I am just moving to a new group. I like the chair of the new group. I have four friends that are super cool in the new group. When you join a new group, it's like a boost of energy, right? Because it's a new thing. And then it kind of like standardized and it starts decaying.
• 1:18:44
  That's usually what most people experience. And I experienced this already in two other groups, even though the people are amazing. But I get to a level of familiarity that I don't, I stopped getting that massive, massive push and growth. That's just me, my experience. Nothing related with the people. Again, the people in my previous group, beautiful, incredible, amazing humans. So I go, then I realize, okay, what else?
• 1:19:12
  And then I start playing scenarios, right? I say, okay, what if my membership ends tomorrow? Would I renew it? Or I'm like, no. Okay. Oh, I just renewed my membership one month ago. Am I doing things here for money? What am I doing? Okay. Am I, what am I afraid of?
• 1:19:30
  And I remember having this conversation like one year ago when we started talking about and he wanted to change Tiger from within with this proposal for the Ptolemyth Street. But maybe it's not one year, maybe seven months. I can't remember. And I'm like, dude, go for it. I have zero hopes. And he was just so excited. Okay, I'm just going to go. And he collects firms, signatures from everyone. And then he goes and...
• 1:19:55
  he realizes the truth, which is, nah, no, no, no. You can do it yourself. Oh, thank you, dad, for the approval. Appreciate it. So when I'm speaking with him and we start thinking about, okay, let's just create a new group for us, right? So we can create a group that we always wanted, that we are trying to do inside of the pizza tower. And the pizza tower is like, no, we are falling. Okay, just keep falling. Gravity is going to do its job, right? So instead of us saying like,
• 1:20:24
  Go for it. Just keep falling on your own. We are trying just to bring it to straighten up. What he said is like, well, are you aware that if we do this, we may get kicked out? Most likely we will get kicked out. And I'm like, well, I don't want to get kicked out. That was my approach of more like fear. It's like, no, no, no. I don't want to get out, man. I, I get a sense of belonging.
• 1:20:47
  by attending to the meetings. I can go to a new city and I can show up and attend to a meeting, even though it's not incredible and spectacular. But there is this, at least in my experience, the first time I get the newness of it. And that is a boost of energy. I don't think maybe it's cheap dopamine. Maybe it is. But when I attended your group, I think that your group is pretty good.
• 1:21:13
  The first time was spectacular. I had so much fun. It was awesome. The second one, I had a lot of laughs, but I don't think that it was spectacular. That was at least my own experience in the meeting. I get one more time, even though I like a lot of the people there, I know a lot of the people there. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to get kicked out.
• 1:21:36
  I remember when we had this first conversation that you were like all scared about getting kicked out. And now look what you did, right? You did the mic drop. You just quit the organization. And it's like, yeah, dude. And to be honest, I was just behaving out of fear rather than out of truth and freedom. And thank God that these people complained about me and that the employees took that complaint so serious and...
• 1:22:05
  manage the situation in the way that they manage it. Because if they have been more straightforward, it may have taken me one or two more years to get to the conclusion that I got, which is I do not want to waste my time and my energy in the pizza tower. This makes no sense. In fact, I don't even want a tower that is similar structurally to the pizza tower. I want something that is totally different, that the world never...
• 1:22:35
  saw, the world never experienced something like this. That's what I want. And this is the reason another light bulb, which is, that's why I've been joining all these different organizations. YPO, EO, R360, what is the name? PEF, all these different organizations. Why am I joining them? Why am I going to go to this meeting, go to this meeting as a guest,
• 1:23:04
  Why? Because I'm just looking for the perfect people, my perfect tribe, the perfect organization. And I end up having like a portfolio of organizations that I am a member looking to create my own Frankenstein. And that was like another one, like, holy, I don't need this. No organization. I cannot change any organization. That has been proven as a waste of time. The organization has a different agenda.
• 1:23:30
  I'm just going to create my own. That's it. And if someone says like, okay, how does your organization look like? Well, basically is you grab the organization that we were in and you flip almost 80% of the things that they do. Like total flip. They are for profit. We are nonprofit. They put quantity of members over quality. We put quality over quantity. They have misaligned incentives. We have aligned.
• 1:23:55
  They are an employee-led organization. We are a member-led organization. They care about one, mainly one area of life. We care about the six areas of life. Health, relationships, purpose and mission, time, freedom, spiritual development, and financial wealth. That's it.
• 1:24:24
  is just pay the fees and we need to show up to the meetings. You know what? If you don't break the law, if you don't break the rules and you pay the dues, that's fine. You can stay in the organization. We, so that means they allow a passive membership. We...
• 1:24:44
  Only active membership. They allow people to show up to the meetings and be takers. I give you $30,000. I can take as much as I want. Free buffet. We have an annual fee so we can hire great people to help us with...
• 1:25:02
  administration, coordination, trips, and so on. We only want givers. If you're a taker, bye-bye. Not going to work. So it's a massive, massive flip. They have very few amount of trips a year or events. We, our goal is 100% of the trips are mind-blowing. That's our goal. So it's a massive flip upside down. And that's, one more time, that's what I'm like,
• 1:25:30
  This will never work. I am basically asking them, hey, listen, you need to change 95% of you, okay? That's what I'm trying to do. It's so dumb. And that's when I realized I just need to get out of this thing. And I need to channel my energy in a blank canvas from first principles.
• 1:25:51
  rather than trying to fix this thing here, these things there inside of the organizations. So that is the, so bottom line on Sunday, this Sunday, I quit the organization and send an email quitting the organization. And I drop a message in the WhatsApp group with the official one. And then I just left. That's it. And man, after doing it, oh my gosh, I felt so great.
• 1:26:20
  So much energy, but I've never experienced this in recent times where I am like unleashed. It's so good. So incredible. It's like thinking that this happened literally three days ago.
• 1:26:39
  And I can tell you that we are ready to launch basically just to, to get a sense of how this is going. So yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating. I'm so glad that I did it. So glad that I, that I did this, that I took this decision because only truth can set me free.
• 1:27:00
  meaning only making decisions that are in true alignment with myself can set me free. And that's exactly what happened. We had a disruptive event, totally out of my control. I did not wish what happened. I wanted an answer quickly. I didn't get any of that. And that put me in a position of like, okay, let's just look inside.
• 1:27:24
  Oh, oh, I'm misaligned here, misaligned here, misaligned here. I'm saying, oh my gosh. Okay, let's make the decision. And by the way, I spoke with a lot of friends like you. Is this right? Is this the right decision? Meaning, am I making an emotional decision here or not? Is this message that I'm sending, does this sound emotional? I use the AI coaches to have brain dumps and brainstorm and challenging questions. And it's such an incredible...
• 1:27:52
  I think that is the takeaway is when something happens that creates a massive disruption within oneself, that is the moment to look inside and to be like, okay, am I in really alignment? What would be the perfect situation? Oh, okay. How do I feel going from here to here? Oh my gosh, that feels scary, challenging. Okay. Then maybe that's what we need to do. To wrap up.
• 1:28:19
  I think the theme of the call, and I think about like the intro little clicker, it's when you feel that your death or extreme discomfort is coming. Sometimes that's unleashing the new life, the new energy, the new opportunity.
• 1:28:36
  Whether it's feedback to a person that you don't know well, it's the death of that old relationship. It unleashes this new energy in this relationship and a new relationship starts, whether it's me or you and our death or almost death in an organization or becomes the death, it creates this new life. There's discomfort, it's uncomfortable leading into it. And it's after that you realize you're in alignment because you confirm this new energy.
• 1:29:00
  I love that. That's a beautiful closure. Well, thank you for your support and your help. Love you, brother. See you, man. Bye.