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After Mom-of-5 disappears from wealthy enclave, Hubby rips back seats from truck! WHERE'S JENNIFER DULOS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Nucnan mother of five,
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  Speaker 1: goes missing just after morning drop off. Her suv found abandoned,
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  Speaker 1: But where is Jennifer Dulos. The week's past no new information,
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  Speaker 1: but in the last hours her strained husband Fotus Dulos
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  Speaker 1: arrested again, but not for murder, not for kidnapping. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. The estranged husband of the beautiful Nucnan mom
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos has been arrested in the last hours in
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  Speaker 1: connection with the disappearance of his wife, Jennifer. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at a b This is the
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  Speaker 1: second time that Fotus Dulos has been arrested in connection
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  Speaker 1: with the disappearance of as estranged wife Jennifer, a mother
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  Speaker 1: of five. She's been missing since May twenty four. Mister
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  Speaker 1: Dulos taken into customed to Saffernoon at his home in
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  Speaker 1: Farmington and we're told he will be charged with tampering
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  Speaker 1: with evidence again. Dulos and his girlfriend, Michelle Traconis have
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  Speaker 1: been free on a half million dollars bail each since
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  Speaker 1: they're arrest in early June. At the time. They were
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  Speaker 1: charged with hindering prosecution and evidence tampering. Dulos has been
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  Speaker 1: under GPS monitoring. He is not allowed to have contact
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  Speaker 1: with any of his five children. Meanwhile, no sighting of
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos since her disappearance. State beliefs believe a serious
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  Speaker 1: assault took place in the Dulos home. They found blood
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  Speaker 1: splatters and stains, along with evidence of an attempted clean up.
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  Speaker 1: A man resembling mister Dulos was seen on surveillance cameras
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  Speaker 1: dumping garbage bags in various spots in Hartford. Dulos has
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  Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing, but again he is under arrest again
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  Speaker 1: and again charged with evidence tampering. And still the big mystery,
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  Speaker 1: what happened to Jennifer Dulos and those five children without
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  Speaker 1: their mom and in a very real sense now also
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  Speaker 1: without their father. What we know right now is he
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  Speaker 1: is facing this allegedly successful real estate developer facing additional
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  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence charges. Now that is not a murderer
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  Speaker 1: make But you've got to ask yourself, why is the
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  Speaker 1: estranged husband tampering with evidence? And how did this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing start? She Jennifer Dulos drops her children off at school.
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  Speaker 1: She's never seen again, her car found abandoned. To syndicated
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  Speaker 1: talk show host Dave Mac, Dave, I want to start
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Where does she go missing? When did
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  Speaker 1: she go missing? She dropped their children off at eight am.
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  Speaker 1: The next thing we know is that she missed an
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  Speaker 1: eleven am appointment. At twelve, the cleaning lady came by
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  Speaker 1: and there was nobody home. So the police have tightened
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  Speaker 1: the timeline down to the last time. But woa, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac, Sorry, but I've got to isolate something. You
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  Speaker 1: just said, she dropped the children off at school eight am.
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  Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, these people aren't slouches.
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  Speaker 1: They live in a very upscale area, possibly one of
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  Speaker 1: the most expensive areas outside of nine o two one zero.
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  Speaker 1: It's around the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I
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  Speaker 1: learned living in New York that all the rich people
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  Speaker 1: would leave and after work and take a train to
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  Speaker 1: New Canaan, I mean the really, really wealthy people. So
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  Speaker 1: I can't identify where the woman was living. The husband
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  Speaker 1: was living in a four point three million dollar mansion,
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  Speaker 1: but they had split up. Long story short, this is
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  Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. Dave Mac eight am to
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  Speaker 1: eleven a m with Me, Dave Max, syndicated talk show
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  Speaker 1: host Jessica Morgan. I need you on this one. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I'm up making a cup of hot tea first
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  Speaker 1: thing in the morning, at about five AM, I do
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  Speaker 1: not expect a kidnap to go down. What I'm saying is,
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  Speaker 1: I've been prosecuting for many, many years, and it's much
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  Speaker 1: more unlikely for a violent crime to occur first thing
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  Speaker 1: in the morning. Now this is just anecdotal for me,
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  Speaker 1: but it's rare when you see a kidnap or a
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  Speaker 1: murderer or a violent crime occur first thing in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: What is that? I always say, I felt perfectly perfectly
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  Speaker 1: safe going out in hand delivering subpoenas first thing in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, because all the dopers would still be asleep
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  Speaker 1: like vampires. So what is it. The crimes do happen,
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  Speaker 1: but it's very rare first thing in the morning. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Nancy. I mean even swat teams and you
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  Speaker 1: know drug tas sport, like you had stated, they will,
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  Speaker 1: they will go and serve warrants at these violent offender's homes.
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  Speaker 1: Generally at that period of time, because you know these
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  Speaker 1: people are not going to be out of the bed
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  Speaker 1: by that time. Oh oh hbl No, because they've been
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  Speaker 1: up all night long, breaking the law, selling dove, driving
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  Speaker 1: around town, trying to steal things an arm rob. Mmm,
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  Speaker 1: you can set up a whole battering ram outside a
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  Speaker 1: doper's door at six am. They won't know anything's going on.
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  Speaker 1: They're dead to the world till about three pm. So
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  Speaker 1: can I just get a yes no on that? Joe Scott, Yes, So,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt, you're telling me she goes missing between eight
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  Speaker 1: and eleven. She even wanted to disappear and get away
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  Speaker 1: from her life mighty early in the morning. And we
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  Speaker 1: don't have any signs of her clothes being packed, or
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  Speaker 1: a bus ticket, a plane ticket, nothing like that, Dowey Dave.
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  Speaker 1: When the police actually went to her rented home in
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  Speaker 1: New Canean, they found tray of blood and obvious signs
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  Speaker 1: that have been cleaned up so that the maid could
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  Speaker 1: not realize what had happened. So I'm assuming they used
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  Speaker 1: luminar or something along those lines to determine that it
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  Speaker 1: was enough blood. Who is they who used luminar? I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: the police. The police all converged on her home to
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  Speaker 1: try to find her. And again we've got an eight
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  Speaker 1: am dropping off at school. By eleven am, she misses
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  Speaker 1: an appointment, and by twelve noon the maid says there's
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  Speaker 1: nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they
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  Speaker 1: find traces of blood at such a level that they
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  Speaker 1: believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to
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  Speaker 1: conceal it from the maid when she arrived at noon.
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  Speaker 1: Her family says she was quote afraid for her life.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're learning. That she was a quote nervous
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  Speaker 1: wreck after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos,
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  Speaker 1: her husband of thirteen years. Now. According to police, over
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  Speaker 1: thirty items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found
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  Speaker 1: on a four mile stretch in Connecticut that DNA apparently
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  Speaker 1: matching up to Jennifer Dulos. But according to the husband's lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: that the missing mom. Jennifer Dulos writes a Gone Girls
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  Speaker 1: style novel, and as you will recall, the Gone Girl
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  Speaker 1: movie hit movie was all about a wife that staged
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  Speaker 1: her own disappearance and return. Long story short straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Radar Online Dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Alexis about this missing mom
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos writing a Gone Girl style novel. So her
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  Speaker 1: estranged husband's attorney is claiming this. He said, with oh,
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  Speaker 1: so who good up to him? He said they were
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  Speaker 1: given a dark, dark novel that Jennifer had allegedly written,
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  Speaker 1: and they said that it was a Gone Girls style book.
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  Speaker 1: What that means is it's a wife who fakes her
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  Speaker 1: death and frames her husband for the death by leaving
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  Speaker 1: blood evidence in the house. And that's what they're saying.
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  Speaker 1: That they have found this book that she They say
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  Speaker 1: that she wrote this, this missing mother of five, five
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  Speaker 1: children at home and she writes a book about taking
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  Speaker 1: her death and then all of a sudden, her husband's
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  Speaker 1: attorney has this book. The husband's lawyer also claims that
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  Speaker 1: she Jennifer Dulos has had a history of disappearing. What
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  Speaker 1: do you know about that? This is what disattorney has
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  Speaker 1: said that she's had a hiss rub disappearing, But her
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  Speaker 1: family says that this isn't true. She has five kids,
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  Speaker 1: she's a devoted mother. She has been fighting in court
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  Speaker 1: for full custody of these kids. Everyone who knows there
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  Speaker 1: says that this isn't true. Yeah, Alexis. According to husband
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  Speaker 1: Fotus lawyer, Jennifer wrote a five hundred page Gone Girl's
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  Speaker 1: style script many years ago, and he is now claiming
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  Speaker 1: she had a quote troubled pass end quote struggled with
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  Speaker 1: drugs her whole life. That's interesting because he's had five
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  Speaker 1: children with her, and I don't recall him ever calling
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  Speaker 1: de facts or causing any disturbance about the mom using drugs,
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  Speaker 1: or ever having any problem leaving his children alone with her. Nope,
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  Speaker 1: none whatsoever. This is, according to her family, is coming
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  Speaker 1: from out of nowhere. That these are really dirty tactics
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  Speaker 1: to blame a victim, and they've never heard of any
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  Speaker 1: of this. And this novel that she wrote. She is
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  Speaker 1: a New York University NYU graduate in literature and she
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  Speaker 1: loved to write, is what her mom had said, So
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  Speaker 1: this is just an old story that she wrote. Now,
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  Speaker 1: according to Jennifer's loved ones, they say she was afraid
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  Speaker 1: for her life and was a nervous wreck. Their lawyers
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  Speaker 1: claim that this suggestion that she had written a Gone
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  Speaker 1: Girl novel is just a desperate attempt to slander Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Fotus Dulos arrested again on
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  Speaker 1: another tampering with evidence charge. Welcome back, hy Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: as of right now. Defense attorneys for Fotus Dulo's comment
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  Speaker 1: on his most recent arrest in connection with the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of his wife, Jennifer listen to this. What are we
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  Speaker 1: here for today? Well, that's an existential question I'm not
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  Speaker 1: prepared to answer. Why are you here? Well, we're here
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  Speaker 1: because we understand that mister Dulos has been charged with
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  Speaker 1: an additional account of tampering with evidence. What can you
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  Speaker 1: say to that? Not a whole lot at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if this were Christmas morning, I'd be saying
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  Speaker 1: I waited all these months for this poultry gift. There's
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  Speaker 1: not much here that we hadn't heard before, and I
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  Speaker 1: questioned the wisdom of these charges at this late day.
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  Speaker 1: The requirements of the requirement to make another bond seems
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  Speaker 1: simply at a stunt on this date's part to try
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  Speaker 1: to wear down our will to resist. We've pled not
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  Speaker 1: guilty to the pending charges, we intend to plead not
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  Speaker 1: guilty to these charges, and we look forward to a
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  Speaker 1: full day in court. When do we expect mister Dulos
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  Speaker 1: to be in court to answer to this charge. We
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  Speaker 1: will plead not guilty at an arrangement in Norwalk on
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  Speaker 1: the twelfth next Thursday at week Mister Dulos, in this
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  Speaker 1: particular instance, here, with this particular charge, what do you
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  Speaker 1: have to say for yourself? It's an exhausting fight. I
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  Speaker 1: love my children, That's about it. Where's your life, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: We wish we knew, and we we we was here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a chance to see
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  Speaker 1: us talking to the state police. I have a very
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  Speaker 1: friendly relationship with them. I wish them well and I
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  Speaker 1: wish you'd ask yourself why you have to nerve in
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  Speaker 1: your audacity to ask him that question, because if you
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  Speaker 1: know something the police don't know, you should go tell them.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know where you interested in him? What the
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  Speaker 1: police seem very interested they do. But where's the murder
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  Speaker 1: charge and where's your objectivity? Shame on you? Right now?
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  Speaker 1: Cops have to release footage from inside a Heart for
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  Speaker 1: Trash facility, and in that facility you see a guy
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  Speaker 1: that loves a lot like the husband photos duels throwing
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  Speaker 1: away what many believe is evidence. Alixis, what can you
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  Speaker 1: tell us her ex husband was captured on video thirty
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  Speaker 1: time depositing what the police have said and forces have
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  Speaker 1: said was evidence. It included bloody clothing, sponges that have
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  Speaker 1: been connected back to Jennifer. This is all what forces
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  Speaker 1: are saying, and this is they have been searching the
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  Speaker 1: trash in this town. They are meticulously searching. This is
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  Speaker 1: a huge trash landfill. But they have said the authorities
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  Speaker 1: that said, we know exactly what we're looking for, we
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  Speaker 1: know when it came here, and we know where it is,
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  Speaker 1: and we are finding everything. And they said even the
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  Speaker 1: littlest bit of evidence they have, they're sending it to
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiner. They have dogs out there that are
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  Speaker 1: trained to search to find body fluid, blood, anything human
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  Speaker 1: related and they are going to find everything they can
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  Speaker 1: to help connect them to this case. They search for
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  Speaker 1: mom of five, Jennifer Dulos has had so many bizarre
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  Speaker 1: twists and turns. The husband and his girlfriend caught on
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  Speaker 1: camera and about thirty stops throwing out items that later
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  Speaker 1: allegedly had his wife's DNA on them. My they were
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  Speaker 1: certainly neat nicks throwing out all that as I call
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  Speaker 1: it evidence according to sources, But now the potential murder
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  Speaker 1: weapon has reared its head, but cops can't find it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's probably sweating this one out, and
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  Speaker 1: that is her husband, Photus Dulos, who was under suspicion
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  Speaker 1: in the case. But just you know, it's never easy,
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  Speaker 1: never easy, because if this knife is actually connected to
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  Speaker 1: the murderer, a mother of five, Jennifer Dulos, oh no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no, I don't know where the knife is. Because
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  Speaker 1: if this is a knife linked to Jennifer's a murder,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down. The knife, the alleged murder weapon,
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  Speaker 1: has been traded for crack cocaine. Bet you didn't see
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  Speaker 1: that coming. A Hartford man claims he found a knife
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  Speaker 1: and a bloody pillow near's some trash cans, trash cans
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  Speaker 1: where we already know evidence in the Jennifer Dulo's disappearance
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  Speaker 1: was recovered, but that he traded the knife for a
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  Speaker 1: five rock, A five rock that is a five dollar
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  Speaker 1: piece of crack cocaine. The man who has not been
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  Speaker 1: identified because he might turn out to be a witness
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  Speaker 1: claims he was rumaging through a trash can just a
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  Speaker 1: few days after Jennifer goes missing when he spots a
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  Speaker 1: blue and white striped pillow. Now that's significant, ken a
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  Speaker 1: blue and white striped patterned pillow be matched up to
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  Speaker 1: the other pillows in Jennifer's home. If so, maybe this
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  Speaker 1: guy's telling the truth. Anyway, he says, I can't believe this.
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  Speaker 1: He says he spots a blue and white striped pillow,
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  Speaker 1: and after he takes out of the trash, he noticed
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  Speaker 1: it was soaked in blood. Now the guy says, quote,
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  Speaker 1: it was about a quart of blood on the pillow
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  Speaker 1: all over it. I tell you, whoever got hurt got
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  Speaker 1: hurt real bad. I looked underneath and there was a
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  Speaker 1: knife under there. He wanted some crack, and he said
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  Speaker 1: he traded the knife to a dope dealer named Fudge.
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  Speaker 1: Fudge as in the candy. He says, quote, I put
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  Speaker 1: the knife in my pocket for some reason, I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking stupid. I was on crack. I wanted to hit
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  Speaker 1: so bad. I was looking for somebody to sell me
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  Speaker 1: some crack. Oh. Now we're hearing from sources that told
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  Speaker 1: the Current Paper local paper that this guy was actually
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  Speaker 1: caught on video removing items from that area the weekend
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  Speaker 1: Dulos went missing. The trash camera and the knife and
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  Speaker 1: pillow were allegedly discovered and foraged. Is on the same
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  Speaker 1: street where Dulo's a Strange Husband photo. Dulos was seen
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  Speaker 1: throwing bags into the trash kins whoa The husband also
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  Speaker 1: caught slipping a FedEx package into a storm drain. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you see my husband, David Lynch cramming something down
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  Speaker 1: a storm drain, please go get it. Cops did, and
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  Speaker 1: they when they fished it out, it was a doctored
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  Speaker 1: license plate from a car Fotus Dulos once owned. Now,
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  Speaker 1: so far the husband, Fotus Dulos and his girlfriend, of
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  Speaker 1: course there's a girlfriend. But shel Chaconis have been charged
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  Speaker 1: with hindering the prosecution and tampering with evidence. But what
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  Speaker 1: about this knife? After interviewing the guy who says he
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  Speaker 1: found the knife, police searched Albany Avenue and they found
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  Speaker 1: a bloody vineyard vine shirt they believe Jennifer was wearing
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  Speaker 1: the day she disappeared. They also recover her bra, sponges,
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  Speaker 1: and other cleaning items that test positive for Jennifer's d NA.
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  Speaker 1: How Are we ever gonna track down that knife crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace? Welcome back I Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is the latest in the search for a New Canan
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  Speaker 1: mom of five, Jennifer Dulous in the last hours her
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  Speaker 1: estranged husband girlfriend separate home. The works Potus Dulos arrested
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  Speaker 1: in connection with her disappearance, But not on kidnapping, not
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  Speaker 1: on murderer, on tampering with evidence. Now could it have
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with reports that surveillance video shows a
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  Speaker 1: man thought to be Photus Dulos walking near a black suv.
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  Speaker 1: She drove a black suv and grabbing a dark piece
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  Speaker 1: of carpet or mat before leaning it against a restaurant
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  Speaker 1: wall near a trash can. Now the mat believed to
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  Speaker 1: be from the back of Jennifer's Chevy suburban or from
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  Speaker 1: her new Canean home. We believe her Chevy suburban was
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  Speaker 1: also black. Now does that have anything to do with
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  Speaker 1: this most recent arrest. The carpet or matt reportedly was
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  Speaker 1: left in close proximity to where police claim they recovered
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  Speaker 1: a vineyard vine's T shirt, two mops and sponges all
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  Speaker 1: stained with Jennifer Dulos's blood. Straight out to Jackie Howard.
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, what can you tell me about the arrest?
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Photus Dulos was picked up around two thirty Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon at his Farmington home. He was transported to State
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  Speaker 1: Police barracks in Bridgeport, where he was processed and released
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  Speaker 1: after a posting bond just before seven pm. Now the
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  Speaker 1: warrant gives us some new details on what cops think
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  Speaker 1: happened to Jennifer Dulos and what role her estranged husband
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  Speaker 1: may have had in her death. The new charge, in part,
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  Speaker 1: has to do with a pickup truck, not Dulos's Ford Raptor.
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  Speaker 1: In the forty three page a rest warrant, investigators say
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  Speaker 1: that Photus Dulos washed it a couple of days after
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer disappeared. The truck, a two thousand and one Toyota Tacoma,
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  Speaker 1: is owned by Barbara gum Lenny, the wife of a
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  Speaker 1: project manager for four Group that's photustulos luxury home building business.
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  Speaker 1: Now police say they believe that Photus Dulos may have
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  Speaker 1: used the Toyota to transport his wife's body after he
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  Speaker 1: attacked her at her New Canean home. He has not
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  Speaker 1: been charged for that crime. Now, investigators say they believe
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos was the victim of a violent attack in
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  Speaker 1: her home. That's based on the evidence that they found there.
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  Speaker 1: They say Dulos is believed to have been lying in
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  Speaker 1: wait for his wife to return from dropping their children
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  Speaker 1: off at school, and Photus Dulos cleaned up the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene between eight oh five and ten twenty five am. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the warrant states that photos Dulos is suspected of driving
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's twenty seventeen Chevallet suburban that you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: there from her house at ten twenty five, and that
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  Speaker 1: her body was likely inside. The two thousand and one
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  Speaker 1: Toyota Tacoma arrives at Photus Dulos's property in Farmington just
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  Speaker 1: after noon. In addition to having the Toyota Tacoma washed,
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  Speaker 1: Photus Dulos also insisted that the seats in the truck
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: be switched with seats from a Portia a suv. That's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: according to the project manager. He has turned those seats
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: over to the police and they were tested and were
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: found to contain a blood like substance that had Jennifer's DNA.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Eight am to eleven am with me, Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Professor forensic jacksonvill State University, let me ask you a question.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It seems to me that if she dropped her children
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: off at school at eight am and then you find
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: blood that seemingly is cleaned up in the home that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: she came back, that says to me, she came back
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: from taking them to school and I'm one, And if
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: she stopped anywhere along the way McDonald's for a cup
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of coffee, the grocery store, whatever's open at eight am,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: came into the home and that's when the attack occurred.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Because her car by eleven am has been found abandoned. Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think so too, Nancy. And I think that whoever's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: involved in this, they have to know her timing. They
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: have to know that she would have taken those kids
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to school, and then they would have had to have
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: had access to this area in which this blood is found.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And this is going to be essential. I don't know
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about access. They could break in or
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: get in with a credit card at the door and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: fallen us. She left the door un lot, But as
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: far as timing, I believe that's when the incident occurred.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I mean it had to if that blood wiped up
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: is related to her disappearance. In the last hours, we
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: learned that the husband has given DNA samples straight out
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to David Mack. There's been a lot of breaks in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the case way in Jennifer's husband fous Dulus and his girlfriend,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Michelle Traconis, who's they were both taken into custody and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: charged with hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence in relation
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to the disappearance of missus Dulas. Okay, that's not good
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because if they are in any way trying to cover
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: up or tamper with evidence or keep police from finding evidence,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: why would they want to do that unless they've got
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: something to cover up. Now, a defense attorney will argue
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence or obstructing police does not a murder make.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But if they're what other reason would they cover up
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: evidence or tamper with evidence or obstruct police in their investigation.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Dave mac, you know what we've gotten now is we've
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: mentioned many times about the blood being cleaned up at
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the New Canean rental home that Missus Dulas was living in. Well,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they've gotten the DNA broken down from that, and prior
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to his arrest, mister Dulos actually had given DA a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: sample and hair follical samples that they're running against some
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of the other evidence that they've found in the last
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: hours for his training Husban Fotus Dulos arrested again, but
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: not for murder, not for kidnapping. You know, we now
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: have learned that it was just last week police were
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: searching desperately for a carpet or a mat that they
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: believe Fotus Dulos got rid of outside of a Hartford
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: restaurant just hours after his wife, Jennifer vanishes May twenty four.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Why would he be outside
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: of a restaurant getting rid of a carpet or a mat?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: How does that play into his most recent arrests for
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence. Now we also know that he was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: having an affair with a girlfriend. That girlfriend, Michelle Traconis.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Both of them were arrested back in June on charges
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of tampering with evidence and hindering the prosecution. It's our
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: understanding that, according to sources, the girlfriend is turning state's evidence,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but she's not turning enough for a murder or kidnapping charge.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Meancy Grace. This is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories breaking news. The estranged husband of mom of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: five Jennifer Dulos has been arrested, not for murder, not
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: for kidnap, for tampering with evidence. You gotta ask yourself,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: why would the estranged husband of a missing mom be
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence? Now we know he's already been rested
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: on one tampering with evidence charge, but now another tampering
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: with evidence charge. Fotus Dulos, fifty one arrested, a real
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: estate developer seemingly successful in for about two million dollars
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to Jennifer's parents. We also know that in the last hours,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's mother has filed motions demanding that the husband, Photus
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Dulos reveal all of his financial records and any alleged
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: sneaky dealings. We understand that he had borrowed heavily from
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's parents to the tune of one or two million
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: dollars to prop up his construction business. Jackie Howard, what
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: can you tell me? Jennifer's mother, Gloria Farber, has been
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: caring for her five grandchildren since Jennifer went missing. Back
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: on May twenty fourth, Farber filed Emotion seeking all of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: photos Dulos's corporate and individual financial records. That's because Dulos
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is looking to get custody of his kids from Farber.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Farber says, though, that Dulos doesn't have the means to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: support his children, claiming he has no source of income,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: has defaulted all mortgages owes her late husband's estate, as
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you said, more than one point seven million dollars. Farber
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: also claims there has not been in any child support
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: payments in more than two years. In return, his defense
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: team has filed a motion on Jennifer's mother demanding she's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: submit to a mental evaluation. You know what that's playing dirty?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It is Nancy, But you know you don't have to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: worry about Jennifer's mom, Gloria Farber. Take a listen to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this from our friends at WTNA Larriors for the Estranged
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Husband and Jennifer Dulos now asking for her mother to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: be evaluated. A legal battle plays out over custody of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the couple's children. Laura Ingle is following this story for US.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Laura Hi, Sandra Well the Emotion for Psychological evaluation was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: filed early this morning by a lawyer representing Phoonus Dulos
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the family. Lawyer for Dullos asking the court to appoint
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a psychologist to conduct this evaluation of his children's grandmother,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Gloria Farber, saying they have no choice but to make
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: such a request to ensure that his five children, who
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: she has temporary custody of, are safely cared for now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: He claims that Gloria Farber, the mother of his estranged
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: wife Jennifer, has previously been psychiatrically hospitalized and had once
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: threatened to kill herself and her late husband, adding that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: electric shock therapy was discussed by family members as an
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: option for the treatment at the time. The attorney for
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Gloria Farber tells us she will be filing a formal
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: written statement in response to all this. Botus Dulos and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend Michel fre Konis, you will remember, are accused
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution in the disappearance
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of his estranged wife, who has been missing since May
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth. Their five children have been staying with their
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: grandmother ever since, and Phoonus Dulos has not been granted
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: access to his kids. Knifer Dulos. Her mother, Gloria Farber,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: has responded to a motion filed on behalf of her
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: son in law, Fotus Dulos. You may recall that his
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: defense attorney requested that Farber undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Farber
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: says she has no objection to this, adding that her
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: sudden law should be evaluated as well, going on to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: say that the motion is salacious and demonstrates Fotus Dulos's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: capacity for cruelty. As you all know, Jennifer file for
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: divorce in twenty seventeen, has been locked in an acrimonious
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: legal battle for custody of their twin boys, another set
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of twins, boy girl, and a daughter. All the children
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: very young, between eight and thirteen years old. Jennifer had
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: written in court documents, I am afraid for my family's safety. Wow,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to get an idea what she looks like to me,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: she looks a little bit like Jennifer Garner trying to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: figure this all out, Alexis, what more can you tell us?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: For the last two years, Jennifer has been fighting for
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: us for custody over her five children. In multiple court talkuments,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: she has claimed that she's afraid for her life. She's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: afraid of him. He is somebody that she really feels
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I could really do harm to her and the children,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and she has been bagging a judge to give her
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: custody of the children. Listen on Association of your Emergency. Uh. Yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about my wife and kids because they left
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to go to rok and I haven't been able to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: get in touch with, okay, where they were run to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: me York? What's the license light on the car? Excuse me?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: What's the license late on the car? I need to Okay,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: what's who's the car registered to? It's registered to my
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: wife's name, Jennifer Dulosa name for me Dulos d u
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: l o Els Jennifer g E n I A F
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: E R. Yeah, Harrod Diverse. In September twenty seven, nineteen
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: sixty eight, they were drug the whole baby see continue
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: with the whole world. Okay, what kind of hold on?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Hold on? What kind of car were they driven? The
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: rain Drower Black twenty sixteen Black land Rower rain Drowers.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You just heard part of a nine one one call
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: from two thousand and seventeen where the husband is calling
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: police Fotus Dulos the husband. Okay, why is there a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: two thou seventeen nine one one call? What is that? Dave?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Matt Nancy the Dulo's marriage was very contentious, and Jennifer
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: actually filed for divorce in two thousand and seventeen, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's when that call was made. She actually left with
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the kids to New York. But she went to get
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: away from him, to hide from him, because she feared
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that when she served the papers, according to what she wrote,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that he would be violent towards her. So she actually
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: knew this was going to happen. It was all filed
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: with the with the court. And when he called nine
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: one one, he hadn't been served the divorce papers yet.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: He didn't know where his wife had gone. He got
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the divorce paper after that nine one one call. Let's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: take a listen to more of it. Nine one one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Were they supposed to be there? They were supposed to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: be the permanent Okay, room wall is not answering. They're
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: not answering their so okay, what's yourself? The number? So?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Six zero four no four? Okay? Okay, you keep breaking up? Sorry,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: needs you to hold the phone to your face because
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I keep hearing you really far away. We're also for
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: small A zero six, so fourth, so for long for zero.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Say that's my wife's ce phone number. Okay, who's the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: other person that's with your wife? And Lauren? La? Do
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know her last name? I need it? And he
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: goes on to list all five children missing, five children,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: all gone with her. This is after she files for
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: a divorce. But that was way back in two thou
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: seventeen to dactor Patricia Saunders, Psychologists joining us out of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: New York, what about it? That telephone call that two
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: US made saying that his family was missing was the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: night before he was actually served the divorce papers. He
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: sounds surprisingly calm on the nine call. One of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: statements that Jennifer had made was she listened to years
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of sickening revenge fantasies from her husband planning a harm
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: physical harm to people who he felt had wronged him.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So she had stated that she was afraid of her
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: husband and that he would find some way to get
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: revenge for her divorcing him. Keep in mind that the husband,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Photus Dulos, has just lost a battle with his mother
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in law, who owes several million dollars to by the way,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: over custody of the five children. The grandma has it
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's mother. That tells me a lot. And in the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: midst of all this it set about searching for his wife.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: His defense lawyer says things like, oh, Jennifer had a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: crazy imagination. She was working on a novel like Gone Girl,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: suggesting that Jennifer has gone missing just to get back
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: at her husband. He has also flowed the idea of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: revenge suicide that his wife, the mother of his five children,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, killed herself just to irritate him. I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I just hope they say that to a jury. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: right now, how in the world have these five children
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: been left without a mother? Where is Jennifer Dulos? The
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: hope that she may somehow still be alive has dwindled
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to nothing. We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace CRuMs
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to us