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Ep. 05: Home-schooling, Connection & The Education Paradox · age

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Hey Dylan, what was your favorite part of today's episode?
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I like one Reggie forgot he got homeschooled.
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I like when they talk shit about billionaires.
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Oh yeah.
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Ah, Dylan took my mind, no no no, I'll say, when Dylan said she would be, if she didn't
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go to homes, if she would have gone to homeschool she would be at, with the word, a degenerate.
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I like that thing Tim said about billionaires.
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Oh, a world that only has.
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Mine was also finding out that Reggie was homeschooled.
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I think today had it's highlight.
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I'm going to be literally, yeah, people enjoy it.
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It's nice when you get together.
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It was like, yeah man.
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Yeah man, I was just thinking like, oh me, so me solid, good people were like there.
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I was like, man you're right.
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Not even like read not even start even that again, but actually bring together the old night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you have
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Reboot
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We're doing come back to game. Let's do it game night reboot man. I would love that
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All right
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You guys are my kind of silly
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Hey, wait, how did you
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I say this is just arriving. I watched the remodeling and it was really good. Okay, just pointed everybody and tell them what they are
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Okay, there's a thing I have to tell you about the room at one anyway. Okay. Hi
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Welcome to age. My name is Dylan. I'll be the host today. This is Mary green. This is Tim
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Strogs and then this is Reggie
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Tidwell and we work here at 40 hearts a creative company and today we're gonna be talking about these topics and the trash can
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We're gonna pull one and we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna say what we like. We don't like about it
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And then we're gonna bring it back to business
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Such a load
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Wrong. We're gonna talk about these topics out of the trash can and make sure you go show it to the camera because we figured out
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That's like a work compelling image than our selfie
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So I like we'll use the selfie somewhere great, but I still take the selfie for yeah, sorry
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I wrote these in and so I kind of wrote this one. Oh, it's one of hers. I'm scared. No, it's not one of mine. Oh
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It's just that
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For June from middle school
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Okay, and then put me back in high school. Wow, so I missed the whole
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Crazy middle school experience and then I came back in the high school to like hey, where you been?
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The worst part of the worst part of school. No, no, I peaked in middle school
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No, I was playing a French horn like we were talking about I was like a total band geek
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But like it was before everybody figured out what a band geek was
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Little school very formative time, I would say
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Yeah, people get kids get really intense in middle school
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Weird when I was I substitute taught here in Buckeye County for
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Yeah, I'm still technically like certified not certified like a teacher, but like whatever certificate I had to get it was it was
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Early 25 there was like a lot of
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Trauma from the previous year and like I wanted to be around kids
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But the reason I'm bringing this up is because you have to do this training on the different like grade groups and what behavior is like in middle school and
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Late elementary school if the time where kids start to sort of prioritize their social relationships
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Over their family relationships
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Because they've got to figure that out like they figured out the family dynamic and now they're figuring out where they fit in the world at large
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So what an interesting time to be pulled out to be pulled up completely I that might all be bullshit if this is taught me anything
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It's that I don't remember things so I'm so sorry, but that's what I think
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I haven't taught no while. I've got a pizza story about
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Well, okay, so what what came to my mind immediately was not that I went even though I said it
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It's that for me having been homeschooled
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I got to eat a lot of homeschool kids because that mean
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Oh, I'm a co-op school kid. Yeah, I co-ops and yeah, and so I got to see a little odd
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Oh, yeah, in like the best way like I think that's the beauty, right?
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Well, I don't know. I bet it's the best way you know when you're a kid and you think things are different and weird
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I kind of thought they're weird, but the only homeschool kids I knew we're from
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Community theater programs. So that tells you something about the flavor. Yeah, I think if I was a far older in
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Met homeschool kids, I'm like they're unique. They're like the differentiator out of kids at the time
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They were weird. They were weird. It was a very niche. I mean, it was in the
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Late 80s, so it was a very niche thing to be homeschooled. I think one of the things that makes them unique is that
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They don't have the typical social cues that skews that they're getting from their peers in a fashion setting with the
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masses, right? So they get to actually be
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Radically unique, radically authentic themselves instead of trying to follow any kind of trends or anything like that. It also feels like
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Fascinating. Yeah, definitely fascinating. It feels like they like adopt their family culture really strongly without maybe
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Realizing it. I don't know to have gone through elementary school and come up the other side. I think it's a very different experience
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Yeah, the kids I was I was meeting had been homeschooled their entire
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And the ones that I knew who had been through that track were like very niche interests
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Often that like aligned with their parents interest just because that was all you really knew
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But what's your what came to your mind? I feel a lot of good friends that are homeschooled. Yeah
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Is that big deal Franklin the homeschool? Yeah big
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If you're homeschooled in Franklin, it's almost like cult like or like kind of like you know like nobody talks to those people like
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I don't know anyone from Franklin that was homeschooled. You think it's like a political statement to homeschool their kids?
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I think so like a libertarian yeah, it's like a
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We believe in this like better and like I think homeschool is like really cool
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Especially if you like if you have your like opinions on the world figured out and everything like that
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You felt like the time to did it eight kids. I think it's a really great idea
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We can't know like nobody was homeschooled Franklin
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But how did you feel about homeschooling kids homeschooling homeschools kids when you were young?
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I never saw it
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She's like I never like they're chatter. No like there was I didn't even know like homeschool is a thing until I was a freshman of on treat
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It's really in college. That's why like the only way I encountered them was in like clubs and stuff out in the world
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Because you were doing sports presumably through school. Yeah, and like I like where would you?
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Yeah, public school like everybody knew everyone
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I probably had this in my experience. I thought that was fun in college when I
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You came aware of homeschool because you'd meet people
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Yeah, when you'd ask them about like their school experience or where they went
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And you know like I was homeschool. Yeah, but when you're younger
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It's rare that you will come in contact because you're meeting friends at school. Yeah
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Yeah, you're meeting your friends all your friends are at school and that's where you and all the homeschoolers hanging out together
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Yeah, my kids weren't homeschooled but
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When we started this Montessori journey
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The first their first introduction to it besides a quick little stint
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When when the girls were younger was
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The Montessori homeschool collective Asheville was it Asheville Montessori homeschool collective was actually the name and so it was in the name
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But it was in a building so we would basically it's in the same building their school is now
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So we would drive our kids to school
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Even though it was the homeschool collective and it was basically
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It was a regular curriculum, you know, but it still had the I think the
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One of the things I miss about it
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Now that they're in a natural charter and they have to do all the state regulated things
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Was that they had a little more freedom within their day to like choose their path in a journey and then school didn't start right at eight o'clock
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Like it does now they could get there and they have a little time to hang out in the
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In the play area and like the you know, and so now it's like everything is so like
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regulated and structured
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And so I missed that but it was a cool experience for them how many years were they in the
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They were just there for one year and then the whole school became a charter
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See that name actually sounds like a bunch of homeschoolers coming you got needed a community
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Created a collective yeah, and then it started to become a school at a hundred percent
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But that's probably literally how every school started
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Yeah, a lot of them a lot of them started I read this book. I'm not gonna tell you the name of it because I get remember
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I got it for free it from the Friends of Bunkham County Library
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Oh, that's it. Yeah, picked it up. Thank you, but it was it's the history of the United States told through the lens of politics and religion
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And so a lot of the early schools were religiously
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Yeah, and that actually was one of the issues when you talk about state regulation a lot of their reason that stuff came in is because
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You start getting this division of church and state and people wanted an education
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But maybe they didn't want to send their kid to Catholic school where there options were there
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Actually, it's hard in Yale and all these old schools were church
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Oh, yeah, the mason's are still down there man those free mason's the free mason's there do that needs to be a topic in the trash can
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I don't know what we would say my dad's a free mason. Oh, his dad is a free mason. You're supposed secrets to us. I'm not
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We'll put him behind a curtain
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Won't work now, but he wanted me to join there's a woman's one. Oh the something of the
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Eastern stars
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Tell us about homeschooling. What was that like you said two years? It was it was like free play
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So when you're a kid wait wait, sorry, sorry, sorry, I need to context two years. Were your brothers also? Yeah, yeah
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Okay, did you get homeschool with anybody else? It was just the three of us, okay
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But my you know, I grew up in church. So my we had some like other kids that we would get together with
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We're homeschooling kids. Yeah, and so I guess for me it was exactly my middle school years from my little little brother. It was
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I think last of his elementary and maybe one of his middle school years
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Brother miss his first year of high school
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Oh, I don't know who got the short straw. I feel like I got the perfect scenario because you want to miss
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Hello
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HVAC made a crazy sound
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You so you want to miss for me
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I
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We traveled around a lot so I went to every elementary school in my dish in the area like I
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In Ottawa and Hendersonville and Fletcher and there was all these school so when I left for middle school
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It was like I disappeared and when I reappeared in high school. I knew everyone
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Because everyone came together in high school
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Out of their elementary school. Yeah, and so every in
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Innocious formed or I don't know clicks form in the school
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That's where all the like the tightening groups form. Yeah, and so I had no clicks
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So I was a friend with all of the clicks
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Yeah, it was
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Are you me? Am I seeing myself in you because I'm like yes, cuz Franklin did this thing like each year in my elementary years like
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I went to a different elementary school each year. Wow. That was similar. Yeah, and it was like this
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They were like reclassing they were like doing the districts or whatever. Yeah, and
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It was wild because I was like I always had this like irrational feel like I was getting kicked out of school each year
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Cuz my mom was like you're going to a new school
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I was like, yeah, I was like why? Yeah, cuz you have to read for my friend group every time you go to elementary school
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Can I tell you I've always had a chip on my shoulder about this
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But now I need to let just let the chip go because obviously it could have been worse
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But I had this experience in the first like four years of school
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I would make a best friend and then they would leave they would like move away or something
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And I've always felt like that changed a little bit of my trajectory
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But this sounds like five times worse in these it was crazy feeling yeah
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Because you make good friends and I only sell it against my parents because I would
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I would have friends that knew their friends and they can remember
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Not knowing that and so they were really tight and so the devilage part of the sword that I was
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Holding in this experience is that I also didn't have that really really close
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Like really tight
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Everyone knew me and I was pretty popular because of it, but not I didn't feel close to anyone
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I think this is why you don't like to join groups now
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Great maybe it's like
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Maybe you're like killing the trauma that's like it because you're like saying everything and I'm like, oh, that's
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Hold punch
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This is only a reason
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It is like to form into like a like a
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That type of closeness and my I think my parents also talked about
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That being something that keeps others out and you know in church are always like trying to include people
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And so you can't create a tight-knit group of people because that leaves others out right
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So I was always having to be friends with people I didn't know or didn't necessarily
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Vibe with in ways yeah, just because that was expected when you're in the
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Religion yeah, it's people you wouldn't normally hang out with you could find a relationship with them
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But I was always and it's only recently that I've started creating these really close
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Like guy relationships
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It is sort of like a weird
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juxtaposition of like
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You are expected to build and find community with people who are around you whether you like them or not or you share interests or not or whatever
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And yet we're going to extract you and put you in a new community repeatedly
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So it's like you're kind of like a sleeper agent, but like it's all right
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We're building community engaged and then you've got to like never get to say around and read the benefit
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Right, I didn't have that experience where I went from like K through five
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Was all in ones like school and school system
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And then for six grade I went to like a magnet school then for seventh grade
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I went to another school
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And then I tested so high in that school
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That I got like the on the comprehensive test
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I got like the highest in that and language in the whole school and they're like you need to be somewhere
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So then that went to like a more advanced school
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So I did three separate like you know middle school experiences
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And then when I got to high school same thing
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Somebody there were people from each one of those three places that were there. We all came back together
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It was like a big reunion and it was pretty exciting like high school was why I really
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Found several clans because I was a job because I was a varsity basketball starter. I was a computer nerd. I was a
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Just a nerd in general, and so I was friends with all these black nerd I love everybody and then I had friends that were there was
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There was like a Latino community. There was there were friends that were from Vietnam. So I had
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Was it friends with everybody and I think what a nice guy this is like see the extrovert maybe life
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That's totally that's how I like and it's I feel like I'm still the same way
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It's like well see I had the feeling that everyone was looking at me in new me
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But I didn't actually connect any of them. Yeah, I know I felt like Mrs
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I grew up in only China so I was constantly trying to connect because I was it was just me most of the time
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So it's like all my friends became like siblings
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So hey people I love I love seeing that I had a best friend who had friends like that all of his friends
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Party together and Nate and so I always had an awkwardness when I hang out with people because I didn't feel like
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I could be myself and they were literally themselves with each other all the time
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Would call each other and I had phone you know if you have phone anxiety like you don't want to call people
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That's such a like yeah, I feel so strange that this side of me and saying it so that sounds like a younger people thing
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Oh, yeah, like you didn't have a choice in the ladies
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I was just and I still hate phone calls to this day. Oh, I called him all the time
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You love and it's actually helping me. Yeah, because when I get when I I find and if there's anyone out there out
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Else out there who feels like this disconnect? Yeah, if you if you find if you make a point to be with people consistently
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That's when you start to feel that closeness. Yeah, you know, it's still like if we're together every day
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Yeah, we're calling each other consistently. It doesn't get weird anymore. Well, I'm like when I call you. You're not like
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It's gonna have at least I hope not maybe you know, maybe for now
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Here goes, okay
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There are people they call me though. I'm like all right get ready. All right, so why are you always hyperventilating?
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Dude a FaceTime is a different level though
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I know
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But Reggie and I were friends years ago. Yeah, like we met when I was first
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graduating college and
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Only recently when we started working out together do we become really close friends really close and I think it's partially my fault because I don't let people in
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I was always trying to get in like do we should grab on school kids?
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No, but when we started to see each other three times a week it was like friendship started to happen
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And so I had someone recently tell me I don't know if I brought this up last time because
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Because it's not a familiar, but tell me if I didn't
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Like somebody told me this maybe I told
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He told me that that transparency is not connection
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And I was I was in all this
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Like you you draw the you pull the blinds up and people can see you through the window
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But it's more of like a like someone looking at you the window still there right the window still there and we always thought transparency because I have a transparency to me
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But he said and then I said to him I said I feel like connection is being able to open the window
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And let people in to your life as a college
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Or maybe the door even
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Don't just look at them through the window
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The door is at the end. It's a big opening
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So how do you think that so connection?
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Oh, that's a good one
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If you hadn't asked me I could have told you
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Oh, she has her brain. She has her brain
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Yes, she has there's a take off. I have just we can find it. I'll show you
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So how do you think she played lead she played lead she played lead
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Give us the date
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She was
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She was
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Don't say that
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Close to etherage is out and like outside and probably yeah
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She's
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You know
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She's gonna do
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You don't know who she is
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I feel like I'll know a lot more about the list after this
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I do feel like I know her personally now
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Yeah, I was gonna ask clearly the homeschooling changed something clearly something
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Clearly something wrong
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Homeschooling things do you feel like that's affected like your work life and how you go about conducting or you know
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You've sounded several businesses
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I wonder I've never thought about it this deeply actually you know when I brought up the Baylor thing
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The last episode by going to a private high school. Oh, yeah, I think I wanted to because I saw those first
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That was actually a middle school Baylor. Oh really?
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And high school. So are you live? I was on this way anyway. I don't remember that I was here anyway
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I wanted to go to this private school
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I'm casting with someone else. Are you kidding? No?
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No, no, so I wanted to go to this private school. No, I'm thinking about it
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I think it was because my own school he had disconnected me and I saw these it was a private school where they slept on campus
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Like
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It was in shadow
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Where my grandparents lived and I wanted to sleep away at the school
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I think because of that disconnect
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Well, but also the family thing and I'm not saying you're trying to get distance from your family
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But I'm saying when you're home school
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You're just with them all the time
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And I wonder if there was a part of me that was like let me just isolate some variables
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Let me take the part that is me and put it in a special place
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I think home school obviously takes a certain amount of family makeup
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Like not every family can afford for one parent to stay home and not work
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to be able to teach the other
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But when we were younger, that was more common
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that doesn't happen because things were cheaper
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Things were a lot cheaper
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The insulation is going crazy since then
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You just be able to get a gas for a dollar a gallon
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When I was a kid, I didn't fill it up by 14 gallons
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I remember being in the gas station together
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That was crazy
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That was kind of very important
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We couldn't have in our own conversation
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So I know during over the years
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We can't do that on age
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Yeah, that's like the last gas project
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We're breaking some age rules over here having our own time
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I was wondering what gas costs
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When she started driving
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Because you were like, yeah, gas was like $1.00
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I think gas was like $2.00 when I started driving
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Yeah, prime COVID when I was like really putting pedal to a level
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It was $1.69
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That's like almost back to my high school days
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I feel like I don't know
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When would gas be like $0.90 a gallon at one point
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When I was like a teenager
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I was the first one to drive around
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Should have bought a house then
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Should have bought a house then
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No, yeah
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But that's the thing is that my dad works
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And my mom never works
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Because we have three kids
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Yeah, yeah
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So someone had to stay home
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Yeah, so someone had to stay home
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But now you can't do that
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Three kids are in the daycare or whatever it is
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And it costs more
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Daycare is really expensive
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But school, if you're in a public school
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Or a charter school that doesn't cost
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That seems to be the best case in there
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I do think home school is one of those quiet luxuries
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That people really don't talk about a lot
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Because I think for having someone in your family
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Whether it's the husband or wife
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Or etc.
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Being able to dedicate their work
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To the betterment of the kids
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I think it's really crazy that we can't really
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It's not it
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It's not to me, unless someone
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You have multiple people that are dedicated to
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Doing home schooling
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It's really hard and not feasible
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And I think that's ridiculous
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Never mind teaching a bunch of subjects
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That you don't know nothing about
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Yeah
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That's what we prefer home playing
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And home eating
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Just because it's so easy
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Big fan of home eating
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You don't like playing
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The master
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No, we were traveling
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We home school the kids for a year
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And it's more
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Just glue them to a screen
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School
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Yeah
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They glue them to a screen
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Yeah, like Khan Academy
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Yeah
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Khan Academy is so good
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But what's interesting is
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Because the resources exist
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You just have to access them
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Through this course
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Khan Academy is a great resource
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But I don't know that these are great
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The next reason I used to work in here
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That were for Khan Academy
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I almost disagree
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Because I think that my son
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Disassociated with school at that point
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I think there's a lot of balance
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That with the actual hands-on teaching
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But I don't even think that's
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There are the wealthy people in the world
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Send their kids to Waldoer schools
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Where there's no technology
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Oh yeah
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Because it gets in the way of teaching
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Teaching
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The word education comes out of
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Like a Greek word that means to pull
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To draw out
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Or to pull out
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Someone like with Spanish
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The teacher is my astrologer
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So it's like someone who's actually
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That is the point
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It's not to stuff information into someone's space
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And have them regurgitate it
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Which is literally what digital school is
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It's just like learn this, take this test, get the numbers
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And my son, I think, disassociated with everything he was learning
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He's smart
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So he made the grades
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But he was like, he had no heart in it
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Older kids?
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Yeah
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He's in turn 17
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So I think he was desperate to get out of it
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I think we shifted so
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But he also, keep in mind, was coming from an experience
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Where he wasn't homeschooled
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And he had friends around him all the time
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In his journey
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But how does this line up with COVID?
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Yeah
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COVID did shift things back
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That's what I think that's why a lot of kids
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Had so much struggle during COVID
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Because they were so used to being with their cohort
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And then all of a sudden
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They're on digital classes
26:33
They're on digital and doing the digital classroom thing
26:35
Which was, I mean, I think a lot of kids are still
26:38
Healing from natural
26:39
You missed when we had an episode on remote with Adrienne, episode three
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I think
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And Dylan was sharing
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She was in like the late high school years
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So we're, we're doing it together
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Her senior year, she missed out like she was doing the on screen learning
26:57
I remember her being in her bedroom
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But she was living with us at the time
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And she just had her laptop there
27:03
She's just like, you know, the teachers talking to them
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And you can see
27:07
But like bringing like work home
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Oh yes, it was like
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So weird
27:11
This untanny
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Well, and like all the bad stuff that has to do with school
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And none of the good stuff
27:16
And like the senior friends
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Yeah, exactly
27:19
It's like all the worst
27:20
So every kid during COVID experienced homeschool
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Totally
27:24
Yeah, in a way
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Absolutely
27:26
But it wasn't like that
27:27
So here's an interesting distinction
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When you brought in the digital or when my kids were doing it on digital devices
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There is a disconnect between what homeschool was when I went
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Yeah
27:37
Where my mom was watching over our schooling
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And then now you're like, you just put in a room and you have to watch the sky go through all of that
27:43
But you know, there are some courses
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I'm not saying that all of school is like this now
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There are definitely some courses
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Where that's what the educator in the classroom is doing too
27:53
Where it's like there's modules
27:54
There's overseeing a computer that makes me so upset
27:58
They go to a physical school
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And then they put them on a laptop
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That's crazy
28:03
I think it would be really sad if the homeschool revolution turned into this whole digital revolution
28:11
Where homeschooling dismay
28:13
That the parent can be doing chores and everything while the kids are in front of some TV with some digital lifestyle
28:19
Like that to me is very sad
28:23
However, I don't think that the tablets should be completely titled
28:28
I agree
28:29
I think there's ways where it could be a supplemental learning tool
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Or maybe you have this one module that you do and it's mostly self-guided
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But then 80% of the day the parent is actually working directly with the kid
28:43
I feel like that would be a good balance because I think if you remove technology
28:47
Then you put the kid at a disadvantage
28:51
That's what everyone says
28:52
But notoriously, they're really wealthy, restrict the devices until a late age
28:58
They have an email babies or nipple babies
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No, because I don't think you can learn anything from a device that is more valuable than what you can learn from human contact
29:08
It depends on you
29:09
I think they're all like they don't have any experience or wealthy crappy teachers
29:14
Have you all seen me type to write emails?
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Yeah, I type well because I was taught to type in the third grade
29:22
And I was taught in a computer lab by a computer program
29:25
I would say yeah
29:26
So my comfort, I mean there was a computer lab instructor
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And she actually knew quite a bit about, compared to everybody else at the elementary school
29:34
She knew a lot about computers
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But just the fluency with the interface alone
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I think is important because I needed to grab that technology
29:43
And that's a skill that if I hadn't had it, going to college would have been more difficult
29:47
Doing my job would have been more difficult
29:49
So this is when I think about homeschooling
29:51
And when I think about how that does or doesn't impact my life at work
29:55
I think well, there's something really cool about being able to pursue your niche interests
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That was one of my favorite things about the homeschoolers that I met
30:03
It's like they developed these hobbies
30:05
And they seem to have a sense of what they liked and didn't like
30:08
That maybe I didn't have because I was trying to figure out what other people liked
30:12
Because that was just the world I was in
30:15
But I do think that you miss out on a lot of the social stuff
30:20
And on the cultural norms that are being established through school
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And it is at the end of the day kind of a pipeline for labor in this country
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It's like you go to school to go to another school to go to another school to go into certain jobs so that we can have doctors
30:35
And so I feel like there is some...
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I don't think it's a pipeline though
30:38
If you watch kids getting into college now, they don't have jobs
30:40
Right, and that's why I think entrepreneurship is spiking
30:43
Because they learned... they don't have to learn the material for the SATs
30:47
They just hack the test
30:49
So I would say what is the most important skill in entrepreneurship?
30:52
Related to...
30:53
Related to...
30:54
Related to not bullshits
30:55
Resortions
30:56
Like nobody knows how to use an iPad to be an entrepreneur
30:59
You have to know how to have connections
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And I think what we're being taught by these big digital companies is that you need it in your life
31:07
Because they need you to need it, because that is their income
31:10
That is their... that's what how they make money
31:12
There is also this... have you seen that it's a joke
31:15
But it's also not a joke about how like the higher up in the lab on the ladder you get the smaller your screen gets
31:20
So like the highest levels of business they're just doing it like on their phone
31:24
They're not having to enter
31:25
They don't have to be the drones
31:27
You used to be the vices
31:28
But do you think that's an older people's thing?
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Because I do think the people sitting at the very top of these pyramids for the most part are older people
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Who maybe didn't come up through a world that had all this technology
31:40
But I look at the people who are heading up startups
31:43
Like we just had a phone call with the client last week, this week
31:46
That he's like worked with AI to build his own dashboard to like
31:52
Update his whole company about the money and operations
31:57
I won't go into detail, but that's a very modern high tech approach
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He's an engineer
32:03
I wonder if more people are going to be getting their hands dirty because they have a level of comfort with these tools
32:08
I mean obviously people are going to get their hands dirty, what other directions do they have?
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But if everything is forced down one channel, that's your option
32:15
It's like if you have to be a tech startup or if you have to have a YouTube podcast to even be successful
32:22
You're in the attention economy right now and they will say you have to ask any marketing person
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What's the best form of marketing? Create content?
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Yeah, right now
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Across the board, so when you're forced to do something, what option do you have?
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Unless you create a cohort of people that are willing to push against it
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Do you sound very conservative?
32:42
What I will say
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I don't know if that's concerned, that sounds rebel right now
32:45
I will say that
32:47
The technology in the home school environment, to some degree, at least does keep them on the same playing field as the kids in school
32:55
Because the kids in school do have to play
32:58
Yeah, but what happens on technology in school is bullying excitedly
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No, no, no, no
33:02
So I think that you're just saying that using it
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No, no, I'm talking about using it, I'm talking about in the context of the classroom
33:07
I'm not talking about social media and stuff, I'm talking about what Mary experienced, learning a type on a computer
33:13
I know how to use Microsoft Word
33:15
Yeah, they're doing these things and they're learning computer skills in the context of the classroom
33:19
So it makes sense that if you're doing home schooling that you should at least have some percentage of their
33:25
Right, but get this
33:26
When I went to college, I was so mad at my professors for not teaching me the software
33:31
The computer technology
33:33
And they looked at me and they said, I'm teaching you something at a higher level
33:37
Because the technology will change
33:39
Kids that learn how to type, they don't need to type now
33:41
They just speak it
33:43
Yeah, my son doesn't know how to type
33:45
He literally put on some pecs and does speak stuff into his device
33:49
So I'm saying that the technology will change
33:51
So if you spend your time trying to learn the technology
33:53
They will only evolve it
33:55
To a point you learn flash and then they took flash away
33:57
And then you had to re-learn it
33:59
I know you had to re-learn it and animate
34:01
But I'm just saying that they learn it
34:03
That was the cool thing was that all the stuff that I had learned before was flash
34:05
All stayed, I had all that effort
34:08
But most people that learned flash were out of job
34:10
Tournament, it changed the system
34:12
Oh absolutely
34:14
And now AI is changing the system too
34:16
People that learned technology
34:18
AI is doing it for them
34:20
Anything you can do on a device right now can be done by AI
34:22
So you want to say that teaching kids in school
34:26
How to use a device and now AI can do for them
34:28
Is a good learning experience, it's not true
34:30
Maybe it's that you need to learn how to learn
34:32
To learn what you need to learn
34:34
But you can do that in absence of a hands-on
34:38
Totally
34:40
You can't learn how to encounter and engage with new technology
34:42
Without encountering and engaging with new technology
34:44
I think it's the same experience that you had in college
34:46
That you're not teaching them how to use the iPad
34:50
You're giving them an experience through the iPad
34:54
But that is to say, right, that is to say that your teacher is not just outsourcing their mentorship
35:00
Their presence, their teaching to the iPad, which is what's happening
35:04
We're not having teachers that are caring and guiding people through
35:08
And this is the iPad
35:10
No, everyone can load this page while I go into this
35:14
Can I also say, though, I've observed this through buying courses
35:18
From continuing ed as an adult
35:20
I've experienced this through being a substitute teacher in a public school setting
35:24
I've experienced this through watching
35:26
Nises and nephews go through online school and seeing what that curriculum is like
35:30
And I'll say 50% of it is not just a teacher like tuning out and saying
35:36
I'm not going to do my job, watch this video
35:38
But it's also like the connection between students and teachers
35:42
Is much more like it's high stakes
35:46
But it's also a tenuous
35:48
Like teachers, I'm going to go on a tangent
35:50
But I promise I'll bring it back
35:52
Teachers right now are basically like bodyguards for kids
35:54
Like we're not protecting kids in schools and everybody knows that
35:58
And the teachers have 15 other jobs, aside from actually teaching kids
36:02
And half the time the kids are in
36:06
Like the kids were the greatest thing about substitute teaching
36:10
But you could see the toll that the last decade of life has taken on young people
36:14
And they are burnt out, teachers are burnt out
36:18
Nobody believes in this system
36:20
So I think at the end of the day when I think about the discrepancy
36:24
And the things that you're describing people just like putting kids on iPads
36:28
I get really sad because I'm like I don't think anybody wants that
36:32
And I also think that I imagine this ideal state where teachers
36:36
Like attracted students, you know, like oh I want to go study with
36:40
Fill in the blank Socrates, that was like the thing that drew you to college
36:44
You wanted to go study under somebody who had this subject matter expertise
36:48
It's been denigrated to such like a low tier
36:52
Like unpaid basically like volunteer jobs
36:56
We don't value it anymore
36:58
So of course we're outsourcing it to technology
37:00
Because we don't think that it's important
37:02
And my son was just talking at the dinner table last night about his teachers
37:08
And what he considers to be a good teacher
37:10
And my daughter too, she was talking about this one specific teacher
37:14
And the way that they engage and the way that they make sense of the subject
37:18
And then my son brought up his chemistry teacher
37:22
He loves his chemistry teacher
37:24
And he said the reason he loves him
37:26
Because he sees that he loves what he's doing
37:28
And he describes this other teacher as someone who is just kind of rattling off things
37:34
And he's not really into it
37:36
And I thought that was so interesting that he's seen this
37:38
And it's so obvious
37:40
That when someone is loves what they do
37:42
And I can hear you, like I feel like teachers are paid some of the most horrible rates
37:50
And North Carolina is mostly that
37:52
A lot of work and have a ton of responsibility
37:54
So I think it's the bullshit billionaires who should give some money to the fucking teachers
37:58
I don't understand what that damage is
38:02
Why does someone have to have a bunch of billion dollars
38:04
And while these teachers are trying to teach with 40,000 years
38:06
Because clearly we don't care about kids on the level that we pretend to care about kids
38:10
And we're going to figure that out
38:12
But I think when you talk to me about your son's chemistry teacher
38:14
It just makes me remember teachers that I've had who got really excited about the subject
38:18
Or like actually engaged with the subject matter
38:22
And then also with me as a student
38:24
And those became my favorite subjects
38:26
Whether I was good at them or not
38:28
Kind of like didn't factor in because
38:30
And they lifted me
38:32
They sort of like helped me get there
38:34
Instead of like abandoning me
38:36
And the next one is you should listen to my son
38:38
He's like, you're good at this, I'm going to push you harder
38:40
You literally said that to your point and blank
38:42
Yeah, like you were something about that connection
38:44
And they did a study on school
38:46
Because there's so many different types of school now
38:48
Anyone has kids out there
38:50
It's a nightmare to try and figure out where your kids are going to go
38:52
Whether it's home school, charter school
38:54
Waldor school
38:56
There's just so many different types of school you can go to
38:58
My day you just went to whatever the public school is in your district
39:02
Yeah, it was so easy
39:04
It's so possible
39:06
What schools are actually working
39:08
Even in charter schools, charter schools are like
39:10
We're going to do it different
39:12
And they just end up becoming the same thing
39:14
I'm just this, I'm this person all the time
39:16
But what does it mean to say a school is working
39:18
Well the child arrives, the student arrives
39:22
Is healthy?
39:24
Yeah, like I think socially
39:26
Psychologically
39:28
And it was tutors
39:30
Just like the old school
39:32
I like times tutoring
39:34
Even in ancient times tutoring is the best form of education
39:38
Because it's one connection
39:40
Because someone is mentoring
39:42
They're connecting to you
39:44
That's why I think devices are a bullshit scheme
39:46
To keep us all in our heads
39:48
Because someone needs to draw you out
39:50
Even if you have a device around you
39:52
And you can have
39:54
I know they say about Bill Gates
39:56
If Eddie not have access to
39:58
His computer at the place he was living
40:00
And here at that Malcolm Gladwell book
40:02
Yeah, so I know that there is a point of power in the level of access
40:06
You have to these tools
40:08
And I want kids to have access to tools
40:10
But we're now on an overdose of dopamine
40:12
And there's an overaction on this right
40:14
We have so many tools
40:16
Now they're making AI so we don't even have to use the tools anymore
40:18
I had a client one time that
40:20
Oh, go ahead
40:22
I just wanted to go back to something you were saying about billionaires
40:24
Do you hear Warren Buffett's thing recently?
40:26
This feels like it's about the setup for a joke
40:28
No, no, no
40:30
Warren Buffett walks into a bar
40:32
No, he was recently saying how he thinks the billionaires should be doing their share
40:36
But do you know what he's doing with his money?
40:38
I would rather...
40:40
It's true because he's giving away this money
40:42
Because he's the pitch box coming out
40:44
And the door is...
40:46
No, he was doing this way before that
40:48
He told his son he's not getting anything
40:50
Yeah, I think...
40:52
It's pretty brilliant
40:54
He was calling him out
40:56
He basically did a public speaking thing where he called out the billionaires
41:00
He's like, we could collectively make it so
41:04
No one has to pay taxes
41:06
And that health care is covered
41:08
Was this recently? Yeah, this is recent
41:10
Everybody in a room just like
41:12
Why? He's older now
41:14
Not to care when he went out
41:16
I know, probably true and he knows that he's never going to like
41:18
What's he going to do with this money before he dies?
41:20
But regardless of his reasoning
41:22
No, it's incredible
41:24
Yeah, because I don't...
41:26
Some people come to his car
41:28
Because he's getting to a point where he has to let go of everything
41:30
We all will get to this point
41:32
We're all going to die
41:34
You can't take it anywhere
41:36
And there's a point in which you start to realize
41:38
that you are holding something that isn't actually valuable
41:42
And we do it for our kids
41:44
So if his kid's not good
41:46
Right, he took it
41:48
What were you going to say, Mary?
41:52
It'll come back
41:54
I just didn't want to lose that job
41:56
We were getting further from the way
41:58
I am...
42:00
I'm curious, like, do you feel like
42:02
if you'd had a homeschooling situation
42:04
How do you think things would have changed for you
42:06
She wouldn't be here for you, right?
42:08
I'm just trying to...
42:10
I'm joking
42:12
You wouldn't have had access to things like
42:14
Canva and Adobe, so who knows
42:16
Or Witchy
42:18
Oh, Kee
42:20
I don't...
42:22
And maybe...
42:24
And maybe...
42:26
And maybe would just be a degenerate
42:28
On a...
42:30
In short, on a teenage dirtbag
42:32
Yeah, yeah
42:34
So if you would hopefully be a degenerate
42:36
Probably
42:38
No, my parents were like
42:40
Your parents are so cool
42:42
There's no way
42:44
I feel like your parents are already homeschooled you
42:46
They're not homeschooling happening
42:48
Yeah, I think...
42:50
Let them tell you what your home life was like
42:52
From what we've heard, sorry
42:54
From what we...
42:56
From what we've gathered about you
42:58
They just like your mom
43:00
In our conversations with your mom
43:02
And your dad
43:04
I think they homeschooled me
43:06
In a way that wasn't like
43:08
Educational school
43:10
Yeah, the school of life
43:12
And it was like...
43:14
The school of life
43:16
I was learning with my mom
43:18
Like how to make
43:20
So...
43:22
At like...
43:24
There you go
43:26
You know, so it was like
43:28
I think like that was like
43:30
The quiet luxury I was mentioning earlier
43:32
Like being able to like just do stuff
43:34
Yeah, and like
43:36
Being there with my parents
43:38
That's a grass thing
43:40
It's the hands-on experience
43:42
If you think if you'd been outside of it
43:44
You would have really rebelled against me
43:46
Yes, I do
43:48
And I like feel that like internally because I was like
43:50
She was the prom queen
43:52
But she didn't want to be there
43:54
She was trash talking prom
43:56
I was
43:58
And just saying one thing and just saying
44:00
Did you...
44:02
Were you a rebel?
44:04
Did you like wear a crazy like
44:06
Fight back dress?
44:08
Well, I made my dress with my grandmother
44:10
Yeah, yeah
44:12
Can we have pictures of that?
44:14
Yeah, I will
44:16
Will mean you'll upload a picture
44:18
But yeah, no, like right before
44:20
They were like announcing
44:22
I had went and I like broke this record
44:24
That like stood at Franklin for like 35 years
44:26
And the next day I came and went to prom
44:28
I was like, man, fuck this
44:30
I don't want to be here
44:32
Like I was like exhausted
44:34
And I was like talking to my friends
44:36
And like, you know, all the music died down
44:38
Like, all right, let's see who gets this
44:40
And I mean, I was just like, blinding
44:42
But no, I think like
44:44
If I would have done the whole school thing
44:46
I think I would have been like a totally different person
44:48
Because the pipeline of school
44:50
Was like, hey, if you do all these things
44:52
You're gonna be really, really successful
44:54
Yeah
44:56
And now I'm looking at it
44:58
And like my really cool friends
45:00
Did not do all those things that I did
45:02
And I'm like, I feel like I wasted
45:04
Like a lot of like good energy
45:06
And like personality
45:08
Yeah
45:10
Trying to like fit in that like pipeline
45:12
And so like I feel like if homeschool
45:14
Was an option
45:16
It would have been very different
45:18
Because I don't think my parents would have taught me educational
45:20
There'd been more like trade school kind of homeschool
45:22
But yeah, I mean
45:24
To niche stage their own
45:26
But yeah
45:28
There is something about like
45:30
Not having exposure to
45:32
Or expectations from the pipeline
45:34
And I always felt in another chip I wear in my shoulder
45:38
I always felt angry
45:40
I guess after I got out of high school
45:42
I was like, oh, we put so much trust in this system
45:46
Yeah, I'm still carrying student debt
45:48
And I remember I think I really scared my brother off of college
45:50
My brother went directly into the military
45:52
And it just the idea of like, oh, we put all this faith
45:56
In these institutions
45:58
And I'm like, actually, I don't remember that much
46:00
I'm in high school
46:02
I just have some immediately ejecting
46:04
Yeah, you don't remember anything we learned
46:06
No, you didn't only point the only beneficial thing that comes out of
46:10
No, it's only in practice
46:12
You don't remember it from high school or from college
46:14
You remember if you practice it consistently
46:16
Everything else is gone. Do you remember Spanish?
46:18
Yeah, I remember some of this
46:20
I remember some of it
46:22
Because you didn't do a link of probably
46:24
No, no, I remember like
46:26
How to
46:28
Seize where?
46:30
And the only reason the pipeline works
46:32
For certain people
46:34
And I'll say this again, I don't want to be this to be a rant
46:36
But when you have access to people
46:38
That is where school works
46:40
It's who you know
46:42
When you meet people through your pipeline
46:44
It's a social club
46:46
If you can make it yourself, make your way through the pipeline
46:48
And meet the right people
46:50
And go to the right school
46:52
And get the right connection to get the right job
46:54
Then you've made it
46:56
It doesn't matter what you're learning
46:58
And so I think we are get
47:00
We get told back to what you're saying
47:02
We get told if you go to
47:04
Yeah, exactly. If you do this, you do this
47:06
You'll be successful
47:08
But then you end up at the end of it with a lot of school debt
47:10
And there's no options
47:12
Well, I also, I mean this is just proof to your point
47:14
I remember I went to UNC Chapel Hill
47:16
Go to our Hill
47:18
And it's public school
47:20
They make a big deal about like it's the first
47:22
You know, public university
47:24
And we're proud of that
47:26
And also it is like pretty waspy and preppy
47:28
And like a lot of old families
47:30
That had money for a long time go there
47:32
And donate to the school all the stuff
47:34
But I remember getting to about my junior year
47:38
I didn't catch on very quickly
47:40
A very naive
47:42
And I was like, oh, other people came into this
47:44
Either because their parents went to Chapel Hill
47:46
Or because they're well connected some other way
47:48
They came into this experience
47:50
Knowing that they had to like
47:52
Jump into a couple places
47:54
They needed to be planning in high school
47:56
So they could get a more head scholarship
47:58
So they could do these internships
48:00
To pursue their ultimate dream of
48:02
Fill in the blank
48:04
And I remember thinking, oh, they told me I was just going to like show up
48:06
And take some classes and then find a really great job
48:08
And be able to pay off my loans
48:10
But I didn't realize you were supposed to be like
48:12
Going to office hours
48:14
Wasn't about learning the material
48:16
It was about networking with your professor
48:18
And like, I just wasn't down for any of that
48:20
I was so tired of being known
48:22
I was so excited to be anonymous
48:24
And I went into it
48:26
Well, I just was from a small town
48:28
It's like being a preacher's kid
48:30
I was a sheriff's kid
48:32
Everyone's watching you
48:34
Yeah, or I felt that way anyway
48:36
Probably not true
48:38
I did just have a thought though
48:40
I was actually partially homeschooled
48:42
Like I said
48:44
He blocked it out
48:46
It was just what
48:48
It's conversation
48:50
Where you were
48:52
So my, I was raised
48:54
It's okay, Reggie
48:56
You're special too Reggie
48:58
You're so full
49:00
Guys, I did have an experience
49:02
No, I remember that Steve Martin
49:05
Lisa and I was raised as a poor black child
49:08
What was that movie?
49:10
It was that guy so funny
49:12
What was the jerk?
49:14
The jerk
49:16
No, my grandmother was an educator
49:20
And she's who raised me
49:22
And so in the summer
49:24
Before I could go out and play
49:26
And hang out with my kid
49:28
My friends in the summer
49:30
I had to do homework
49:32
I had to do like
49:34
I had like actual workbooks
49:36
With math problems
49:38
And language skills and all of it
49:40
She put you to work
49:42
Which is why I freaking crushed those tests
49:44
Why he is so smart
49:46
And why he is here
49:48
But grandmother
49:50
So she was my like as an educator
49:52
She frets while in the college
49:54
Like she was firmly rooted
49:56
In the importance of education
49:58
And so just imagine
50:00
Of course I hated it as a kid
50:02
Having to like do homework in the summer
50:04
Knowing my friends were already out of plan
50:06
And I had to finish this up
50:08
But she said
50:10
Yeah, that's incredible
50:12
Education
50:14
And even if it has to happen on an iPad
50:16
I feel like right now
50:18
We get by how we get by
50:20
Until we figure out what the new curriculum has to be
50:22
Because I do think it's changing
50:24
Like the way we deal with information
50:26
And the nature of knowledge work
50:28
If you can call what we do that
50:30
Like that is about the shift tremendously
50:32
And so our schooling will also shift
50:34
But we are in a very awkward growth stage
50:36
Right now
50:38
And the jobs that are getting you
50:40
So how do you get the experience
50:42
To have the job that's coming
50:44
What they're saying is that
50:46
AI is pushing the workload
50:48
On to the higher up
50:50
Higher ranking
50:52
People in the business
50:54
So they're having to do more work
50:56
With AI
50:58
And we've all
51:00
I'm going to say the old people
51:02
I don't actually know what all workplaces are like
51:04
But I do think we've lost a lot of patience
51:06
I think like the expectation
51:08
I can imagine a world
51:10
Where you came into a new job
51:12
And they trained you in the new jobs
51:14
Yeah I've never had one of those
51:16
In my adult life
51:18
I had a student job where I got trained
51:20
Because I was at Chapel Hill
51:22
And they knew that it was a new craft that I'd never studied before
51:24
But every job I've ever had
51:26
Has been like well you'll learn on the job
51:28
And you're maybe you get a week to shadow
51:30
They throw you in and then you're getting negative feedback
51:32
As the way to fix
51:34
And I go don't do it this way
51:36
Very like okay I'll fix and I'll pretzel myself
51:38
To make this big sense
51:40
What do you probably like really traumatic from childhood to
51:44
I wonder if that's a
51:46
I mean you are so whips monitor and you're so good
51:48
And what you do
51:50
And I can't say that that's not an effective way to go
51:52
I certainly don't
51:54
She's always breaking the fourth
51:56
Maybe I should break the fourth hole
51:58
There is no fourth hole
52:00
I have a really hard time
52:02
Taking that compliment
52:04
I said it's true that it's like I just
52:06
Because I was able to adapt really quickly
52:08
People were like oh she's so good at this
52:10
I'm like actually
52:11
Internal panic and like really fast thinking
52:14
Which actually kind of
52:16
So the difficulty of homeschooling
52:18
Is that you will not make connections
52:20
You are with unless someone is able to bring in a tutor
52:23
That's well connected
52:24
You're like isolated
52:26
If you have enough money, anything can work
52:28
Yeah, I can solve it a lot of things with money
52:30
But if you're just a normal person
52:32
With homeschooling, I would say that
52:34
It's probably not going to benefit you
52:36
Because you're not being able to make connections
52:38
You know like there's no
52:40
You have your parents which I think is great
52:42
And I think family is a strong
52:44
Community to be a part of
52:46
But I think if you lose
52:48
But it is the one that you don't get to choose
52:50
Right
52:51
Is the other part
52:52
And so I always wanted
52:54
Now this is later in my life
52:56
I thought that it would be easier if my family didn't live so close to me
52:58
So that I can develop relations apart my family
53:00
Because I like to hang out with my brothers
53:02
I like to be dinner with my parents
53:04
My wife's parents are in town so I like to eat with them
53:06
And siblings are really close
53:08
And so there's a lot of time
53:10
Being invested in family
53:12
And so I don't get time to make investments
53:14
Into other friends who are outside the family
53:16
So sometimes even while traveling
53:18
I was like I wonder what it will feel like
53:20
Not to be around family at the time
53:22
In the immediate right vicinity
53:24
So I think that the disadvantage
53:26
Now hearing this conversation, the disadvantage
53:28
Of the isolated
53:30
And this is going to be so earth shattering
53:32
When this comes around to what I'm getting to
53:34
When you're isolated
53:36
In old school days, up home schooling
53:38
You miss the advantage
53:40
You miss the advantage of connection
53:42
Yeah
53:44
Now you're isolated in digital technology
53:46
And you miss the advantage of what school's about
53:48
You're not meeting the teachers
53:50
You're not hearing about them connecting with them
53:52
Being motivated
53:54
To move on to another
53:56
My chemistry teacher in high school too
53:58
No one liked him
54:00
I don't know why I liked him
54:02
But I thought I was so incredible
54:04
I wanted to be a doctor
54:06
And that helped motivate me
54:08
But if you isolate a bunch of kids on their devices
54:10
And they're not working with each other
54:12
Or with the teacher
54:14
It minimizes them
54:16
And that maybe that's a plan
54:18
Maybe there's a plan
54:20
Not to have the rise up of the people
54:22
Because they're all thinking that this is where it's at
54:24
Some people like in this jump in technology
54:28
To when people first started reading
54:30
And written word
54:32
And the printing press became a thing
54:34
People were afraid
54:36
That humans would just have their noses in books the whole time
54:38
Because it was the source of entertainment
54:40
But also of education
54:42
And so what you're describing for isolationism
54:44
Also just a textbook alone
54:46
We'll do that to you
54:48
Like I had so many classes
54:50
Where I didn't connect with anybody
54:52
And I was talking there
54:54
Listening to a teacher talk at me
54:56
And like referencing problems in a book
54:58
Right
55:00
So it's been happening
55:02
And even before the printing press
55:04
They had to teach from a one book
55:06
Whatever the manuscript
55:08
Or a big whiteboard
55:10
Or just copy what's there
55:12
They would pass their wisdom on
55:14
And then there are old more native cultures
55:16
That would pass them on through song
55:18
And then through dance
55:20
Because people a lot of times people will say
55:22
Over written 100 years later
55:24
And there's no way they can remember that
55:26
Do I remember what I did last year?
55:28
What they said
55:30
They're saying the transatlantic accent
55:32
Well, the guy
55:34
Lost my thought
55:36
The guy says that
55:38
We don't understand that there were cultures
55:40
That sit, told their stories
55:42
Over and over and over
55:44
So it wasn't a matter of losing your memory
55:46
On the story you literally grew up singing
55:48
And telling and hearing stories
55:50
So we don't know this
55:52
That's one of the things that lived
55:54
There was the cultural preservation
55:56
Because what happens is the elders are dying off
55:58
And kids are becoming more westernized
56:00
These stories and tables
56:02
And things that were part of their learning mechanism
56:06
They're heritage
56:08
And so they're helping people
56:10
They're providing resources
56:12
And help people continue that
56:14
In different First Nation tribes
56:16
Did you say in Spain
56:18
You wanted it to be worse?
56:20
That was Adrian
56:22
But we were talking about how the digital age has like
56:24
Blended everything out
56:26
And so you don't get that
56:28
Environmental immersion
56:30
Where you're somewhere that's unique and different
56:32
Everything starts to feel like
56:34
The same
56:36
But we're all isolated at the same time
56:38
So how can everything feel the same?
56:40
It's the same thing you were talking about
56:42
What's jumping from school to school
56:44
Being there to form community and then leave again
56:46
I feel like that sort of the experience of moving between cultures now is like
56:52
You were meant to feel a little bit isolated for a minute
56:54
And people didn't like that feeling
56:56
Especially when there's this overwhelming majority
56:58
Keeping people out
57:00
But there is that tension of like
57:02
I can be near it
57:04
And love it
57:06
But not be of it
57:08
I don't have to own it and assimilate it and make it mine
57:10
But I do think
57:12
There's a beauty to diversity and we definitely need to hold that up
57:16
But also like it can't
57:18
You're not allowed to have everything
57:20
I guess is like the moral of that
57:22
You have to see yourself as outside of that culture
57:26
And you can't just adopt all of it
57:28
Right
57:30
Everybody
57:32
Every kid had some form of homeschool
57:34
Like I did
57:36
Like what if there was a percentage
57:38
Yeah
57:40
Like I did
57:42
Everyone confused
57:44
Seriously, what if that was the trend
57:46
Even if your kids went to a public school or a walker or a monastery
57:50
Or whatever
57:52
That there was still some percentage of it
57:54
That was homeschooled so they get that
57:56
Because I think there's benefits to each type of
58:00
Okay, so here's another thing
58:02
So if we paid teachers right
58:04
Yes
58:06
More people want to be teachers
58:08
Caregivers correctly
58:10
More people would want to take care of their kids
58:12
And by the way every job is becoming a care job
58:16
Even if you think that you're doing like knowledge work or engineering
58:20
You have to take care of someone
58:22
That's relationships
58:24
But there's a
58:26
Kate Rayworth wrote a book called The Donut Economics
58:30
And she talks about the value of a caregiver
58:34
Or a grandmother
58:36
Or someone who raises a child
58:38
To enter the workforce
58:40
We don't see that as being part of the economy
58:44
They're like outside the economy
58:46
Good luck
58:48
Whatever you have to do just survive and get them through
58:50
We don't see it as we're raising kids
58:52
To bring them into the economy
58:54
That's part of the work
58:56
And so she makes an argument
58:58
To pay them
59:00
And she actually adds up all that they're doing
59:02
And puts a number of it
59:04
And it's like $160,000 a year
59:06
I mean it feels like a really great argument for universal basic income
59:08
Yeah
59:10
I don't know that that gets at it
59:12
Because what you're doing
59:14
There's a percentage that's missing
59:16
Right
59:18
Because it's kind of like lunch money
59:20
Yeah
59:22
But I also feel like if we were about a resource
59:24
I like to imagine that more people would do that willingly
59:28
And without the extra incentive
59:30
Of our children and we want good things for them
59:32
But my parents, even if they'd wanted to do that
59:34
I don't think they could really like conceive of the economic situation
59:38
They were trying to throw me into
59:40
Right
59:42
Because I mean it's a white collar blue collar
59:44
Or like my parents worked for a mistake my whole life
59:46
So like I don't know
59:48
I do think it's a social climbing thing at the end of the day
59:50
And people use that term
59:52
In a derogatory way
59:54
Like a social climber
59:56
But I think that there's an element of
59:58
There's some scarcity
1:00:00
She also says in the book that when you add money to the thing
1:00:04
You take away the intrinsic value
1:00:06
So be careful when you add money to
1:00:08
Because it is a fire that will burn the market
1:00:10
So if you were to pay caregivers for the work they're doing
1:00:14
It would take the intrinsic value of raising someone
1:00:16
But it needs to get to them in some way
1:00:20
Whether it's paying the one who's working more
1:00:22
So that it can provide an environment that's not scarce
1:00:26
And driven by that level of emergency feeling
1:00:28
Yeah
1:00:30
And teachers
1:00:32
So like no one wants to be a teacher right now
1:00:34
The numbers are so low
1:00:36
When it comes to teaching
1:00:38
Right, it's the worst
1:00:40
Don't get paid well
1:00:42
They're constantly under attack
1:00:44
But yeah, certainly by the current
1:00:46
So what does that do?
1:00:48
What does that lead kids to?
1:00:50
Khan Academy
1:00:52
Yeah
1:00:54
Which is incentivized
1:00:56
To do this
1:00:58
Because they make more money than the more people are signed up
1:01:00
And people think it's great
1:01:02
They can learn anywhere they are
1:01:04
They can travel and learn
1:01:06
But who's going to make the teachers at the end
1:01:08
And then who controls the education
1:01:10
Khan Academy
1:01:12
Khan Academy or whatever
1:01:14
And even YouTubers
1:01:16
My kids learn as much from them as they learn
1:01:18
So many other kids are learning from YouTube
1:01:20
That's like the
1:01:22
I'd say it's really high up there
1:01:24
So it takes our voyeuristic
1:01:26
tendencies as humans
1:01:28
We've had this since time began
1:01:30
And we turn into the person watching
1:01:32
Like kids
1:01:34
Watching other kids play games
1:01:36
Your screen is a little window to the world
1:01:38
Right, that's the craziest thing
1:01:40
Watching kids watch other kids play games
1:01:42
They watch other kids play
1:01:44
I mean all the young people are watching this like what's so hard to get
1:01:46
It's streaming
1:01:48
They're watching people play Minecraft
1:01:50
I'm like guys you have Minecraft
1:01:52
You can actually play it
1:01:54
No, we just watch
1:01:56
It's like a weird
1:01:58
Isolation happening that we're not even aware of
1:02:00
Because we think we're being empowered
1:02:02
With tools
1:02:04
They don't tell you that if everyone has AI
1:02:06
It doesn't fucking matter
1:02:08
Because everyone has AI
1:02:10
So knowledge actually becomes the least valuable thing
1:02:14
On the course of this getting better
1:02:16
You know because they
1:02:18
A friend of mine told me
1:02:20
They took us from the field
1:02:22
And they put us in the city
1:02:24
Then they put us in buildings
1:02:26
Then they gave us devices
1:02:28
And now they have AI that just says we don't need you anymore
1:02:30
So when you follow that pipeline
1:02:32
Yeah, you circle back
1:02:34
And you go live in the wilderness
1:02:36
And try not to be bothered
1:02:38
I will say
1:02:40
I know kids in that
1:02:42
I have had this thought several times
1:02:46
That it does start to sound like matriarchy
1:02:48
But I don't know the technical definition
1:02:50
Of matriarchy versus patriarchy
1:02:52
But I have asked myself
1:02:54
Sometimes if we need a party
1:02:56
A political party in the United States
1:02:58
And the whole platform is built on this thesis
1:03:00
Protect our children
1:03:02
And if you start there
1:03:04
And you're like okay
1:03:06
Let's make sure everybody has food eat
1:03:08
Let's make sure that nobody's getting shot
1:03:10
In the street or in a safe building
1:03:12
Then you start to think
1:03:14
Okay, if I'm going to care for these children
1:03:16
I need to care for the people who care for the children
1:03:18
And the ripple effect starts out that way
1:03:20
And it does just so happen
1:03:22
That a lot of those people are women
1:03:24
And I do think that like
1:03:26
The original caretaker
1:03:28
Is probably a mom
1:03:30
Is the archetypal figure that
1:03:32
But I feel like without trying to make it a gender thing
1:03:34
At all
1:03:36
Care for the people who are caring for the kids
1:03:38
And then the like goodness flows out
1:03:40
Because yeah
1:03:42
Yeah, well-resourced kids
1:03:44
Create well-resourced adults
1:03:46
Create a well-resourced world
1:03:48
Sort of I feel
1:03:50
Without trying to make it all the kids
1:03:52
Problems like solve it for us
1:03:54
But I do think it's that sense of like
1:03:56
I want better for you than I had
1:03:58
But I don't think that can any longer be like
1:04:00
Go, make your way in this competitive world
1:04:02
Is totally how I was raised
1:04:04
I think it's like no, find the caregivers
1:04:06
Children
1:04:08
It seems like really basic
1:04:10
Like every species has that figured
1:04:12
And these are friends working in the other space
1:04:14
Who is connecting
1:04:16
High schoolers with mentors
1:04:18
Yeah, like dad access
1:04:20
I think it's the name of this company
1:04:22
Is called backers
1:04:24
And it's the idea that like
1:04:26
Not only learning but like social capital
1:04:28
Is also a key part of what
1:04:30
Especially rich people are getting from
1:04:32
Trying to close that gap by pairing people up
1:04:34
With mentors to like support them through that journey
1:04:36
And to be exciting
1:04:38
It sounds great
1:04:40
He has a TEDx song
1:04:42
You should go look it up
1:04:44
TEDx Asheville Andy
1:04:46
Put his name in the description
1:04:48
That was the year that I staged managed
1:04:50
So I definitely should know
1:04:52
Is that our resolve and our woodish
1:04:54
If we take care of people
1:04:56
I don't know how to resolve this
1:04:58
I feel all like
1:05:00
He was home school
1:05:02
You have to forgive him
1:05:04
I don't know how to resolve this
1:05:06
This is what happens when you're a home school
1:05:08
I could tell
1:05:10
I know
1:05:12
How do we become successful
1:05:14
And then people that
1:05:16
Be people that change things
1:05:18
Instead of just becoming
1:05:20
That one that wants to hoard your success
1:05:22
Because it is scarce
1:05:24
You can't be ill gotten
1:05:26
I think that's the story
1:05:28
You got to get it through positive means
1:05:30
And that's the hardest thing in the world
1:05:32
It sounds like a great ending
1:05:34
It'll gotten
1:05:36
You don't really figure it out
1:05:38
I love it
1:05:40
It sounds like a stressful thing
1:05:42
I love it
1:05:44
I'm going to close this off
1:05:46
That was our podcast on home schooling
1:05:48
Hope you enjoyed it
1:05:50
This is age
1:05:52
This is age
1:05:54
Wow
1:05:56
That was fun
1:05:58
Thank you
1:06:26
Thank you