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GCP267 - Pathway Living Center, Inc. w/Chris Evans, Associate Day Hab Director · Grow Clinton Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: What's happening, all you beautiful people out there in Podcast Land?
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you, as always, for tuning in to another episode of the Grow Clinton Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Grow Clinton is a nonprofit organization where we focus on economic development, community development, and tourism.
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SPEAKER_01: As always, I'm your host for today's episode, Andy Sokolovich, president and CEO, joined by my co-host, my partner in crime, all around amazing lady.
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SPEAKER_01: Jenny Holm, our director of member and community relations.
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SPEAKER_03: I we have some awards to give out next week, right?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh man, I wish we would have thought a lot of things.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, uh, yes, we had an amazing Oktoberfest celebration this past Friday.
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SPEAKER_01: So congrats to Tony Girks from our office.
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SPEAKER_01: She set it up, did an amazing job, and thank you to all the many volunteers.
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SPEAKER_01: They wrote rolled deep to come out there and help us.
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SPEAKER_01: And then Abby Payson, she came out and helped us, and it was cool.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the band was great, and it was the first year.
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SPEAKER_01: So next year we're gonna think bigger, better, more Oktoberfest.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm all good with that.
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SPEAKER_03: And that band, I'm gonna tell you.
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SPEAKER_03: The band was awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: The only thing I wish they would have done is, you know, when they were doing some of the traditional Oktoberfest drinking type of things.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, not everybody knew what that was.
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SPEAKER_01: Good show today, Jennifer.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, this is a show that about the services in our town that you don't always hear about.
5:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: But they're there and they support our town so much.
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SPEAKER_01: This gentleman sitting to my right, Jenny, your left, smack dab in the middle of the screen for watching this on the YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01: That is Chris Evans.
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SPEAKER_01: He is the Day Hab Associate Director, also a good friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_01: Christopher, what's happening?
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SPEAKER_01: Not a whole lot on this rainy Monday.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Rainy Monday.
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SPEAKER_01: There's been a rainy Sunday, Monday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday.
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SPEAKER_01: Soggy, run rainy September.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Soggy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a lot of water standing around.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: Some of the flooding's been insane if you watch around the state.
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SPEAKER_01: I know it.
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SPEAKER_01: It really has.
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SPEAKER_03: Trees are coming right out of your eye.
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SPEAKER_01: Chances are pretty good you can go down Main Avenue.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: But Chris, you're representing Pathway Living Center Inc.
5:59
SPEAKER_01: I had no idea what this was before you started working there and had us over for an amazing ribbon cutting.
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SPEAKER_01: So clue us in as to what the organization does, their mission, the people they serve, and what you need from us as a community to help support your continued growth.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:13
SPEAKER_00: So us as an agency, we work with individuals with uh psychiatric disabilities.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: Um and then unfortunately, with psychiatric disabilities, there comes a lot of other, you know, stigmatisms that come with that, uh, not only for the individuals, but in the community itself.
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SPEAKER_00: So we just try to help those individuals that we serve utilize the services that there are available, whether it might be getting to appointments, whether it's mental or physical, that they may have uh substance abuse issues that they may also have.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh just everything that we typically take for granted as you know citizens in the community.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: Um we we just give them an extra hand um to help them either cope with some stresses that they may be encountering, uh, but then also from those normal services that we do provide, we also provide activities as well because you know we're we're engaging like-minded individuals so they can build on those social cues and then pick up on on things where the end goal that we want to provide for individuals is not to have services with us because then they are successful in their uh in their treatment and what they're looking for, and they develop the skills and the tools to be able to be successful on their own.
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SPEAKER_00: Does that always happen?
7:33
SPEAKER_00: No, because we do have individuals that have been with us since we've opened.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we've been open for over 40 years now.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, with that being said, you know, does that show success?
7:45
SPEAKER_00: In a way, it does because you know they're still with us.
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SPEAKER_00: They're still understanding that they do need that extra set of hands, those extra set of eyes to help them be successful.
7:55
SPEAKER_00: And so we're still continuing to uh help them.
7:58
SPEAKER_01: Now your office 2nd Avenue South?
8:00
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
8:02
SPEAKER_01: And who makes up your team outside of you?
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SPEAKER_01: Now, what dayhab or dehabilitation, what does that look like?
8:10
SPEAKER_00: So we also have goal coordinators.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're helping them achieve you know whatever was set you know through their MCO, the providers that they have.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, whether it's daily living skills, uh med management, those sorts of things, um, cleaning, cleaning skills that may be you know something that they need assistance with.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: Now, are these individuals that are working with you, your colleagues, are they counselors?
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: So that that would be our goal coordinators, and they're they're the ones that are um you know making sure they're achieving the things that they're supposed to do.
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SPEAKER_00: We have uh DSP, which is you know daily support professionals, and they're they're doing the the day-to-day sort of runs with with the individuals that we serve, whether it's again transportation to services that they may have, um, they're in the houses.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I would say 90% of the individuals that come through our doors live independently in the community.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, but we do have a few houses here in Clinton and so where Pathway has houses.
9:12
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
9:13
SPEAKER_03: They're like the you guys are like this a community hero.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:17
SPEAKER_03: Because when you think about it, so many people are using your uh resources.
9:21
SPEAKER_03: I'm sure it changes all the time, which adds to the 40 years of being in here.
9:26
SPEAKER_03: But uh I'm sure from a family standpoint, your services are really, really um appreciated and you work with the families as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Correct.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, we have a lot of families.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, obviously, you know, we're getting in that time of year of Thanksgiving and Christmas, and we put a lot of stuff on, um, not only for the individuals that we serve, but they're for their families as well.
9:47
SPEAKER_00: And that's where they get to, you know, we get to show our appreciation for those families putting their trust in us uh to help better their loved one or whatever it may be.
9:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh but then also we show our appreciation to them to be able to uh often the hardest part of the year.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, holidays, Christmas comes, falls on one day, Thanksgiving falls on one day.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: But the combination of those holidays often creates a lot of I don't know, depression, sadness, anxiety for some.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know like me, for instance, my whole family's back in Pennsylvania.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: And I'm here in Clinton, Iowa.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: So now, like differentiating pathway from skyline.
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SPEAKER_01: So these are not necessarily individuals that have intellectual disabilities or require some kind of physical support.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: These are individuals that have dependency problems.
10:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, different psychiatric disabilities.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, so maybe it's um, you know, working with coping skills that they may they may need.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: Um unfortunately, sometimes there's substance abuse-related issues.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it's getting them to those appointments with ASAC or Rediscovery Center, those sorts of places as well.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, it's it's not just one service that's in these people's lives, it's multiple services.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: It's a huge network and nice.
11:10
SPEAKER_03: So from Pathway, you go to you said rediscovery.
11:14
SPEAKER_03: What are an ASAC, what are some of the other services that you So they also utilize Bridgeview as well.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: Well not well, community healthcare now.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Um and they go through those.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, it might be different doctors in Iowa City that they're utilizing or in the quad cities as well.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we're we're transporting out there because you know, again, unfortunately, their network may not be available to them at this stage.
11:39
SPEAKER_03: And you do transport.
11:40
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
11:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do a lot of transportation.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, staff takes them, and then also it comes down to scheduling as well, because you know, sometimes you've got multiple people utilizing that same area that they're going to.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we want to make sure we align those schedules up where we could be taking two or three people to an appointment in Iowa City or the quad cities as opposed to one and just being you know fiscally responsible about that as well.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: A lot of work.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: So, Chris, how is Pathway funded?
12:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming you can tap in if the individual has insurance.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: If they don't, I'm assuming Medicaid.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Medicaid, Medicare, um, is that where the majority of our individuals are utilizing um to pay for the services that we provide.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
12:24
SPEAKER_03: Are you looking for people I mean hiring?
12:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're always looking to hire.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, not because of turnover or anything of that nature.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know, we we want to put forth the best staff available to our individuals that we serve.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: So we want to make sure you know we have staff available, but then also, you know, us as staff as well.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: It can be draining.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Um both mentally and physically.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: So we want to be able to, you know, have the opportunity to have people available um so there's no burnout or high turnover or those sorts of things.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: And that doesn't just that doesn't just include pathway.
12:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's everybody.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: Even me.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I have some baggage, right?
13:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I am medicated.
13:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh I I just I I love psychiatric medicine because I think of all the disciplines.
13:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, whether you're talking about oncology or talking about like uh osteopathic medicine, whatever, psychiatry to me is the one that's just there is no like manual, right?
13:26
SPEAKER_01: No, everybody's wired different.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: Of course, there's some basic biological things that we understand about the human brain, but what somebody's individual triggers are, what sets them off, what sends them down a path of anxiety, depression, or a manic state.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's very unique.
13:42
SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting to see how some of these medications have since evolved.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I do feel better on medication, but I will say, like, even every once in a while, uh, I will, my mind will just more aggressively just dissolve that medication.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: Because it's amazing what the human brain can do, isn't it?
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: It's like if you are focused, I mean the medication, yes, serves as a chemical component and it supposedly is, you know, uh prevents these receptors and these signals and everything.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: And it's I get it.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: But if you try hard enough and you want to feel like crap, you can make yourself feel like crap.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: And when Chris said, you know, it's it's it's tough on on the individuals that have to care for folks, but it's tough for the families too of those individuals because I go from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: And often there is no significant reason why.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, it is just something that I have.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad now, as we look at the stigma of mental health and brain health, that we're starting to really identify it as an illness and not necessarily just that guy's weird.
14:47
SPEAKER_03: Well, and it is an illness.
14:48
SPEAKER_03: And when you think of different illnesses that you can have, which mental health is so directly related to your environment.
14:57
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
14:57
SPEAKER_03: And like Andy said, triggers.
14:59
SPEAKER_03: How what other illness do you know that can be impacted so readily by you know environment?
15:05
SPEAKER_03: Even the weather.
15:06
SPEAKER_03: Even the weather.
15:06
SPEAKER_03: It's been raining for a week.
15:07
SPEAKER_03: Holidays, weather, anything.
15:09
SPEAKER_03: Somebody says something.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, seasonal depression for a lot of people.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: And you know, unfortunately, weather can relate to, you know, a period in somebody's time that, you know, something traumatic happened to them.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: So now they're, you know, we have individuals that are affected by thunderstorms.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: And even for nor you know, I don't want to say normal people, but for every everyday people, you know, yeah, thunderstorms are scary.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, th those big loud claps of thunder, you know, right.
15:35
SPEAKER_03: And you can always say, well, the stomach's doing this because it's doing this.
15:39
SPEAKER_03: We've seen that.
15:40
SPEAKER_03: But you can't say for everybody's brain it's doing this because of that.
15:43
SPEAKER_03: You know, brains are so different, and it is a health issue.
15:46
SPEAKER_03: It's not, you know, just some mysterious thing that you're doing to yourself.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't spiral mentally because I eat bad fish.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, and you cannot, and you know, often even with my own family, they'll say, Well, you know, what happened?
15:59
SPEAKER_01: What made you feel this way?
16:01
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: And they're asking for all the right reasons out of the kindness of their heart.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: But the response is, I don't know.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: And I think for your loved ones, that's tough.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Especially like my wife, you know, she's in the medical career field, she's a nurse practitioner.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: She is looking to diagnose someone something as a result of symptoms.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: And when you don't necessarily have a physical symptom, like I'm not bleeding from my leg, right?
16:26
SPEAKER_01: I can feel my toes.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: It's hard to put a pin into what actually is happening chemically and biologically.
16:32
SPEAKER_03: And when you think about having people who really struggle with that and really have trouble coping or being compliant and all of that, and the family's probably been dealing with that.
16:43
SPEAKER_03: What a godsend it is to have an organization like this where they can just go.
16:48
SPEAKER_03: So if you're hiring people, what positions are you looking for?
16:52
SPEAKER_03: So what skills?
16:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what skills, obviously, people skills, you know, um, being patient, you know, being mindful as well.
17:00
SPEAKER_00: And that is very hard.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, the the normal sort of caring and giving, you know, we don't get into this line of work if if you don't care for the people that you work with.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we're we're looking for DSP stuff, we're looking for activity stuff, um, you know, to help those programs grow and and just just um you know alleviate some of the stress that you know it's caused.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And also, you know, w when you you're not adequately um staffed, it the individuals know as well.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: You know, they they know when things are being stressful and sometimes they they play into that a little bit, unfortunately.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh but it also stresses them too because of high turnover, those sorts of things.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're constantly going through new people and for them to learn new people's names or like, oh, it's another person again, right sort of thing.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: It it really affects them mentally as well.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: Aaron Powell And it's not a job that you can just turn off at five o'clock and go home.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, something like that.
17:54
SPEAKER_03: This is a job you kind of you invest in and but you also get a great return for it.
17:58
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the key as well.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: You gotta look at those little victories as an individual that works in this line of work because it it's you're never gonna get you know the thank yous or the the pats on the back that you really should in any job that you do.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: Um but from this, you got as I said, you gotta look at the little victories.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: And if you do see that progress or that one percent growth, you know, day to day, then you know that you're something's clicking for them.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: So and mental illness is not discriminate.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter if you have a million bucks in your bank account or one dollar in your bank account.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, when you're going through that, uh, and I call it an illness, and you're going through treatment, it's tough either way.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that really bugs me too about the way this country handles things from a medical standpoint, specifically with like Medicaid, um, is there's that cliff effect.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: So let's just say that you are diagnosed with a serious mental disorder or behavioral disorder or whatever, and you require medication to balance that chemical reaction so that you can live a quote unquote normal life.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: And let's just say that through that process you decide you're going to better yourself professionally and you get a job that now puts you over the earnings threshold to cover those medications.
19:20
SPEAKER_01: If you're a penny over that threshold, your benefits are gone.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: You get kicked out.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: It is not a tiered graduated system to help guide you to the point where now you make enough where you can have potentially a job that offers benefits.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: And I hate that.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: I really do.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: It bugs me because I know you know, I tell the story all the time, but I work with a guy and we tried and he had some issues, but ultimately he was a good guy in his heart and his soul.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: He just had some mental struggles.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of that I think was stress-induced just because of financial concerns.
19:54
SPEAKER_03: It all adds up.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: And then we identified an opportunity professionally for him to make some more money.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: And unbeknownst to me, he denied it.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of came at him like, dude, we tried so hard to get you this job, and why'd you deny it?
20:09
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I can't make that much money.
20:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's not enough to cover my expenses for my medicine.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: And it's too much that I'll I will not be able to have my medical card anymore.
20:20
SPEAKER_03: And so do you deal with that, Chris?
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: You counsel people in the financial part of it and the Yeah, we've got we've got staff that are, you know, um, we offer payee services to to our individuals as well.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they're more intapped in that side of things than what I'll ever be.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they've got 20, 30, 40 years of experience in that.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: So um for them to understand that path.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, as as we said, you know, sometimes it's better not to work because of that main reason.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Um so what's really the incentive in in those sorts of things?
20:56
SPEAKER_00: And we do have a lot of people that do want to work.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Um and unfortunately, sometimes they get taken advantage of because of that.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: They know that um, you know, you can't make why because you'll get you'll get so you don't get promoted, you don't get pay increases, they hold you hostage.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep, exactly.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: So it's very unfortunate.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Um I wish there was a better way to figure that out.
21:18
unknown: Yeah.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: Hopefully.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: As do I.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a it is a by far fractured and totally broken system.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: And these individuals, uh I mean, I've met people who have had successful military careers and get out and they're so mentally exhausted.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: They have such traumatic experiences in their life, post traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: And the VA does a good job of caring for them to the extent that they're able to do.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, the individual individual just wants to be better.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: And because of their disability, they struggle to find work.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: And as a result, they take advantage of some plans.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: And things of that nature, but it just it just breaks my heart when you find somebody.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: My mom says this all the time, and she said this to me the other day.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: And I I'm a firm believer.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: You have no idea what somebody's going through.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Zero.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: You see somebody walking down the street and they're talking to themselves and you're like, oh here goes Clinton again.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: Bullshizer.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: I almost swore again.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: But no, it's just like you have no idea what that person went through.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: So rather than criticizing or putting them in a silo of what you perceive this community to be and different factions that possibly exist discriminating against them, like maybe identify what's preventing them from getting better.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: Not everybody has a case where they're trying to some people just want to live in that space because it's comfortable.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: But like Chris says, uh having the folks at Pathway and having the amount of tenured people they do that understand the system to help work through it, like that's what's desperately needed.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: And it bugs me to no end when I keep seeing like funding for these places, especially with the adjustments made to Medicaid, continue to just wither up and wither up and wither up till it's almost gonna be non-existent.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: It's true.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: And then what are you going to do?
23:16
SPEAKER_03: You know, just and everybody will be mad.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: So Chris, Pathway is a great place.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: You're you're looking to hire.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: So anybody feels compelled to help these individuals, because again, millionaires are a dollar in their bank account, you know, it doesn't discriminate.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: You should reach out to Chris over at Pathway.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: How's the bet what's the best way to get in touch with you guys?
23:36
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it you can either give us a phone call, 563-242-3687, um, and speak to our staff there to kind of direct you where you need to go.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, if you're really ambitious and want to come in and fill in an application, uh our address is 562 2nd Avenue South where the old uh convenience store.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: Cops market.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Yep, with the old market there.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Cops K-O.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: K-O-P-P-S.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Wasn't there Cop, the name Cop.
24:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you can stop in there, fill out an application, and uh we'll give you a call.
24:09
SPEAKER_03: If you have a family member or you yourself are needing that kind of a service, is that the same thing you do?
24:14
SPEAKER_03: Or what how does that work?
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go uh go ahead and give us a call and you know we'll we'll put you through you know that that process to start off with.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: And uh you know, if we're unable to help you in what you're looking for, we can definitely point you in the right direction to get you started.
24:29
SPEAKER_03: See, that's what I love about these services, is that even if you go in and they don't you don't have what they need, you can help them and it you'll get help.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
24:36
SPEAKER_03: So what do you do for Dayhab?
24:38
SPEAKER_03: What is that?
24:39
SPEAKER_00: So me specifically, um in charge of all the activities that we put on, uh that we do in the community.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: Like I said earlier today, you know, we took a group of people out to see all the the local art and the trolls and so forth.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: And you know, just getting them out in the community because um you know, we find also when they're involved in activities, it definitely helps you know with their mental space where they're thinking and so forth, because they want to be engaged, they want to grow and help better themselves.
25:06
SPEAKER_03: Um but it's isolating when you have a call.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: So you know, between that and you know, putting on you know different dinners through the course of the year, um, you know, we were just at Grace Lutheran uh Bible camp down there in DeWitt.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: And we had a a day down there for everybody, um, not for staff and our individuals as well.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: Well fun.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: So that was an all-day sort of thing.
25:28
SPEAKER_03: What does the holidays what do you have for the holidays?
25:31
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, obviously we do our Thanksgiving dinner um that we put on for everybody and their families.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh we do a Christmas event as well um for that, and we always try to grow that.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, we take take our individuals out into the community to see the lights.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, fine.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh and up at the up at Eagle Point Park as well during that time.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: And then um, you know, go down the lines when they have their walk and you know, try try to utilize as much in the community.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: But then, you know, um we've gone to a ventureland, you know, we went to the state fair this year.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: Um so there's a lot of stuff that we try to involve out in the community.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: That's excellent.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: Um and you know, f free's always good for everybody.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: So I'll take it.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: The reality is a lot of the individuals you serve are not going to have the work, nor the desire, nor the motivation to plan these things on their own, right?
26:21
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: So you're pretty much laying it all out of form.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, sometimes, you know, I'll jokingly say that you know that they have more of a social life than what I do at the moment.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: So um, hey, you hang out with me.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: That's why I have more of a they have more of a social life than what I do.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: They have a more fulfilling social They have to listen to Debbie Downer.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I mean I think you know, it's it's I was watching, I just had to figure out the lead singer, former lead singer for Lincoln Park, uh an active band that's back with a female lead, Emily Armstrong.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: But Chester Bennington was their former lead singer, and he committed he died by suicide in 2017.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: And there's an interview with him out there, and I love watching it, it shows up on my TikTok all the time.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: But it's him doing a radio interview, and he points to his like temples and he says, Between here is a bad, bad place.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: And the the DJ kind of chuckles and he chuckles, but it's so true.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: And you cannot, if you go to a party and you don't like the folks that are there, you leave.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: You go to an event, you're just not getting anything out of it, you walk away.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: You have this slived space between your brain or between your ears and your brain that you cannot navigate away from unless you have the appropriate coping skills.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: And again, it doesn't discriminate.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: So having the ability to call Pathway Living Center, even if you just want to know, because I'm assuming most family members, if I'm putting myself in their shoes, have hit a brick wall.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: And they don't know what else to do.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: And they're calling you to see what services you offer, but it's not like they're calling customer service asking about a product.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: They're calling not only to know what services you offer, but they're also calling for some peace of mind.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
28:07
SPEAKER_03: And Melissa you work with, she's pretty calm.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: She she's a good egg.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Um she doesn't really get too flustered on a lot of things.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Um it actually takes a lot for her to um haven't seen the breaking point yet.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: But um I wouldn't push it.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I'm definitely not going to push it.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: And I don't think anybody should because she's she's way too nice.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: She is what she does for all these people.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: She truly cares about everybody in our program, you know, staff, individuals, everybody.
28:35
SPEAKER_03: Aaron Powell And she's been there a long time too.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she has.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's good to have people like that um that are invested in our community that go go and do it for the right reasons.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: And then you know, that's what she does.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
28:48
SPEAKER_03: How many people do you serve?
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it varies.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: Um I believe at the moment it's I want to say it's over 50.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Um but you know, you know, as you add more, it it grows.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, be and we do have a waiting list.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, not only here in Clinton, we also serve uh DeWitt as well.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: So there's individuals in DeWitt that are waiting.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Um and that's why you need to hire, right?
29:15
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: We and it's not because you know, we we want to hire, because we've got a waiting list and we want to help those people and not let them slip through the cracks or or uh you know get to the point where they feel overwhelmed and hopeless and everything of that nature.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
29:32
unknown: Right.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh you guys are doing an excellent job because it is tough.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: I think when you have a mental illness or you're affected by uh issue with brain health, you know, often the family, even though they love you, yeah, they have a breaking point too.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you'll hear, I can't do this anymore.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: I can't take care of you.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: I can't be your support.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: And even like going through the VA, like for me, we defined what's called like a suicide prevention plan.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: And it's basically, okay, I am feeling manic, I'm feeling I got suicidal ideations.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: I grab that piece of paper and I put a page through it, and it tells me like what I can do to distract myself, who I can call.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: But the sober reality sometimes is when you first create that form, you put down your loved ones.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: But what do you do when your loved ones have burnt out that time?
30:30
SPEAKER_01: You know?
30:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think some of the stuff that we do provide is also a resource for those families as well.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Both how do I cope with this?
30:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm working with person X and I'm providing them skills to help them be successful or to be able to manage and navigate what they're going through at the moment.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: But then also it gives those family members, one, the ability to be an additional resource for them to say, hey, remember what yourself said you should be doing this, this, this sort of thing.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: But it also gives the ability for those family members to be like, hmm, but maybe I can try this a little bit and help me.
31:06
SPEAKER_05: Right.
31:06
SPEAKER_05: It's kind of a ripple effect.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: Get back to neutral.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: And if anybody ever says, get over it, I will punch you directly in the mouth.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even joking.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: Because it's not that has nothing to do with it.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: You got a fever?
31:22
SPEAKER_03: Good.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: It bugs me when someone says, you know, just get over it.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Suck it up.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: You know, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, let it roll off your back.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: It's like, dude, you've got no idea how this works.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: So direct punch in the face.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: All right.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, Chris, thank you so much for joining us on the Gro Clinton podcast.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: You do amazing work.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: Again, if anybody needs any information uh regarding Pathway Living Center, they're located on 2nd Avenue South.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: I did put the QR code up in the top left corner of the screen.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: If you're watching this during the live feed, you can scan that QR code and it'll take you to Pathway Living Center's Facebook page.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: They're very easy to get a hold of.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: And even if they're not able to serve your loved one or your friend, they will be able to offer you suggestions on what you can do.
32:08
SPEAKER_01: So just know if you're caring for somebody that has a psychiatric issue or mental health illness, you're not alone.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: Don't just sit there and try to navigate the World Wide Web and buy every book off of Amazon.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: There's people out there that have had decades of training and are able to serve as subject matter experts and meet your needs.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: So Chris, thank you, sir.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: No, thank you both very much.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: If you can't tell, Chris was not born in Clinton, Iowa.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: He's from Australia.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: He's an out of towner.
32:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: How did they do in the World Cup?
32:41
SPEAKER_02: For basketball.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, whatever.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Pick one.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, we had basketball.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: Basketball.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: You don't do soccer?
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Football?
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're over here for that.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: I had friends go to that game.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: Did you go?
32:51
SPEAKER_01: No.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Of course not.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Joy wouldn't let you go.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: That's messed up, man.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: I want to go to Australia so bad.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: Me too.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: Next time you guys uh schedule, we'll just tell Joy to stay back and the girls, and we'll go and just go.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: Just drink some fosters.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: But you even told me one time like fosters isn't like a big beer.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Nobody drinks it.
33:12
SPEAKER_03: That's their marketing.
33:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: We we we export it to England.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: I do want to check it out.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: And then all the expats end up drinking it when they're in in England.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: And your dad was in the military, Australian military.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: For quite a while.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Army, right?
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: And you were kind enough to give me a patch and then then a little thing there too.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: And it's in my office.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I appreciate that.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: I think that's so cool.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: I was stationed with some aussies when I was in Iraq.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh definitely interesting.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh, the United States military had all of these rules.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh they did not.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: So it was really cool to be able to hang out with them.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's quite um I've heard some stories of dad's time in in Vietnam.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: And he went to Cambodia in ninety two with the UN.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh hearing some of the stuff that those guys got up to.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Your dad's a pretty tall dude as well, correct?
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's six four.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, nah.
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Not shrimp.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: That's all.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: All right, Jenny, it's Monday.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: You got a busy week.
34:15
SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll tell you what we got coming up is Thursday.
34:17
SPEAKER_03: We have a Biz After Five.
34:19
SPEAKER_03: But right before that, 345, we have a ribbon cutting.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: Yep, 345 ribbon cutting.
34:24
SPEAKER_03: Happy Joe's.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: Happy Joe's first street in Clinton.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: Street, you're right, in Clinton.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: And then uh right after that, they're doing Biz After Four.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: I said Biz After Five, but it's a Biz After Four.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: We're celebrating five years of ownership for Carrie White and her fam.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: She's done a phenomenal job.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Carrie is a force to be reckoned with.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: She really is.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: I say this all the time, but she's not only a successful business owner with our local Happy Joes, but she is well regarded throughout the entire Happy Joes franchise as a subject matter expert on how to get a restaurant up and running.
34:55
SPEAKER_03: She traveled, I think, to Egypt to get them up and running.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: She's a rock star.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: She's a rock star.
34:59
SPEAKER_03: She really is.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: So we will be celebrating again 3 45 uh PM this coming Thursday.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh that is what the 24th?
35:08
SPEAKER_01: Yes, 24th.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: And I unfortunately will not be there because Matt and I and Tony from our office must travel to Burlington, Iowa.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Not Burlington, Vermont, which I love by the way.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: Burlington, Vermont's super school.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Right now.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: But Burlington, Iowa, which is equally as awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: And we will participate in the 2026 fall conference for the professional developers of Iowa.
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SPEAKER_01: God do it.
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SPEAKER_01: Where I am speaking on two separate topics.
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SPEAKER_01: What?
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SPEAKER_01: Don't ask me though.
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SPEAKER_01: One is on data center development.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And whether we determine if it's right for the community in the process because all the municipalities throughout the state are at some point going to be impacted by this.
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SPEAKER_01: And, you know, my message is very clear and simple.
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SPEAKER_01: We have done with this project the same thing we've done with every project.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we're going to talk about that as economic practitioners.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the next one is leveraging artificial intelligence to simplify the economic development process, which is not just something that we are doing as economic development practitioners, but it's also what the site selectors are doing, the individuals that make the location determination for these large companies that eventually move in, create jobs, and that's a tremendous amount of capital in the community.
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SPEAKER_01: So lots of stuff going on, Jenna.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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