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Speaker 1: your exploration. Mister Bill, how are you doing today?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: But you listen to that voice, My god, you are
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Speaker 1: blessed with that big rock voice today.
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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: It's my allergies.
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Speaker 3: Bring on the big show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me all right, Arrow take it away.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny, Bob that we're talking about this. And
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Speaker 1: just this morning, Bill Razinski was on the radio today
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Speaker 1: talking about what's going on here in Charlotte with the PGA,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, it's like, man, you hear those voices,
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Speaker 1: the golf voices. We need to do a book sometime
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Speaker 1: on just those voices, because because I swear we're glued
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Speaker 1: to him, just like Tiger and Jack.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a it's a gift, right, I wish I
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Speaker 2: had it.
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Speaker 3: That's why I write.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a touche right there. But you
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Speaker 1: know what, you bring up something here and it's almost like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I sat there and I'm going, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a little fire starter here because because
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Speaker 1: we're all going to take sides again and then we're
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Speaker 1: gonna start throwing people in there like Rory and all that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh, now, this is gonna be like
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Speaker 1: pro wrestling what you're doing with this book.
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Speaker 3: Dude. Yeah, no, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: I mean, uh uh, it's I think it's a it's
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Speaker 2: it's an argument that's hard to it's it's hard.
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Speaker 3: To call.
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Speaker 2: Comes on on who on who you side with.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I I have found, even even in the reporting of
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Speaker 2: the book, in the uh you know, in talking.
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Speaker 3: To people, a lot of people have their mind made up.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's Jack or it's Tiger, and
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Speaker 2: and I'm I'm sort of with this trying to get
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Speaker 2: people to to at least look at the other side.
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Speaker 2: You know, no matter what side you're on, I think
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Speaker 2: you have to at least understand that that the that
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Speaker 2: the other guy is pretty damn impressive also, and that
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Speaker 2: it's not easy to pick one over the other, and
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Speaker 2: and I I have a hard time picking one over
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Speaker 2: the other.
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Speaker 3: I've told people many times I can.
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Speaker 2: I think I could argue for either one and not
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Speaker 2: be wrong, right, right, But yet it's it's it's not
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Speaker 2: that it's not that simple. I think it's a very
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Speaker 2: nuanced argument. Some people want to just pare it down
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Speaker 2: to Jack one eighteen Majors Tiger one team and that
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Speaker 2: ends it. Okay, I think that's fine if you want
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Speaker 2: to do that, But I I think.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot more. It's a lot more nuanced than
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Speaker 3: than just that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the timing of it is so so perfect because
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Speaker 1: we're at that I'm that generation that actually was blessed
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Speaker 1: with both of them. So so you're right, we do
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Speaker 1: be bop back and forth between the two, and we
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Speaker 1: have reasons why we do that. But bet man, dude,
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Speaker 1: this generation, when it disappears, then it's going to be
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Speaker 1: which one did you really go for it? Probably Tiger
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Speaker 1: because he had some damn good marketing going on for him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think there's recency biased with Tiger too, And I'm
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Speaker 2: probably guilty of that because because I covered his entire
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Speaker 2: career and when I came along, Jack was at the end,
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Speaker 2: like I I didn't. I wasn't there for the eighty
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Speaker 2: six Masters, which was forty years ago now, And actually
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Speaker 2: that's sort of the timing of the book was. It
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Speaker 2: just seemed like the forty years ago from Jack's last win,
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Speaker 2: last major.
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Speaker 3: Also, Tiger just turned fifty.
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Speaker 2: It just seemed like the perfect time to compare, because
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think we're going to see Tiger
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of winning. And plus even even to
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Speaker 2: compare their careers after fifty is a little unfair, you know,
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Speaker 2: looking at what they did up to age fifty, when
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Speaker 2: both of them were competitive, I think is a good
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Speaker 2: is a good marking point to to try to dissect
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Speaker 2: what each of them did, and it's and obviously it's
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Speaker 2: remarkable what they each did.
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Speaker 1: Is there ever going to be a moment on the
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Speaker 1: senior Tour where we would see them out there? I mean,
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Speaker 1: because you know, we're all we're all dying for that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I would just love to even
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Speaker 1: if they're out there just for one or two holes,
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Speaker 1: I would love to just see them do that. And
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Speaker 1: I don't want it on a YouTube video.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's I think there's been a hope
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Speaker 2: that Tiger would play senior golf. Yeah, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: he just turned fifty and there was He's he has
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Speaker 2: not discounted the idea of doing it. I have written
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Speaker 2: several times, and I've said on on you know, discussions
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Speaker 2: like this, that I think it would be good for Tiger.
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Speaker 3: It would be good for his image.
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Speaker 2: It would be good for his golf to play senior
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Speaker 2: golf because because he can play in a cart, he's
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Speaker 2: going to be on TV.
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Speaker 3: Those guys are really good. It would not be easy.
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Speaker 2: It would force him to get competitive, but he doesn't
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Speaker 2: have to walk, which saves the wear and tear on
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Speaker 2: his leg, which is always going to make it difficult
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Speaker 2: for him to play a lot of seventy two hole
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Speaker 2: events in a year.
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Speaker 3: But it helped get him competitive. You know, if he
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Speaker 3: could play a few.
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Speaker 2: Champions Tour events and knock off the rust and you know,
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Speaker 2: having to hit chip shots under pressure or you know,
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Speaker 2: four footers to save par, that matter, and he has pride,
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Speaker 2: it's going to matter. He's going to want to do well.
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Speaker 2: It's on TV, the it'll be packed with fans. If
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Speaker 2: he does that well, then let's say he does that
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Speaker 2: a couple of times and then he shows up to
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Speaker 2: the Open at St Andrews next year, Well, it'll at
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Speaker 2: least have been under the gun in terms of competitive
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Speaker 2: pressure and felt it. I thought, you know, two years
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Speaker 2: ago when he played the four Majors, basically.
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Speaker 3: That was it.
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Speaker 2: To show up at Pinehurst and try to compete with
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Speaker 2: Bryce and to Shamba and Rory. You know, it's kind
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Speaker 2: of it's it's you know, it's it's not very realistic
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Speaker 2: and uh but you still turn.
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Speaker 1: At that seed though, you still plant that seat inside
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Speaker 1: our head and heart. Man, it's like, what if? What if?
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Speaker 1: What if?
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Speaker 2: Man?
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Speaker 1: Sure, if the universe could just line up?
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Speaker 2: Man?
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Speaker 1: Just what if?
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping for one more lightning in a bottle moment
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Speaker 2: from Tiger. It doesn't necessarily mean he has to win.
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Speaker 2: You know, Jack had one. Jack had one of those
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Speaker 2: at age fifty eight. I write about this in the
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Speaker 2: book At the At the nineteen ninety eight Masters, Jack
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Speaker 2: tied for six and it was unbelievable. He was He
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Speaker 2: was like a shot or two out of the lead
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Speaker 2: early in the In the final round he played with
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Speaker 2: Ernie Els. It was the year after Tiger won by twelve,
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Speaker 2: and he beat Tiger at age fifty eight. He finished
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Speaker 2: ahead of Tiger in that Masters. You know, I just think,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be cool if Tiger could have one more
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Speaker 2: moment like that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you that that listeners need
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Speaker 1: to understand that. And you're very clear with this. These
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Speaker 1: are the facts, the figures, these are you doing your research.
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Speaker 1: So this isn't a one lopsided opinion from Aerocollins that
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Speaker 1: who's going to be the best in golf. You really
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Speaker 1: went to town here with the homework and so and
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Speaker 1: what I actually thought when I was going through it,
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Speaker 1: this belongs in a university. Somebody needs to be breaking
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Speaker 1: this book down at a university level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I tried to get into the numbers.
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Speaker 2: It's very very hard to compare error, yes, and then.
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Speaker 1: To compare those though, I mean, how do you really
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Speaker 1: bring that forward in the way that Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean to you what you were talking about, To
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Speaker 2: try to bring it forward is difficult. One way I
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Speaker 2: attempted was, you know, ty Jack, when Jack fifty wins
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Speaker 2: is an amazing accomplishment on the PGA tour, and Jack
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Speaker 2: and Billy Casper did it within a month of each
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Speaker 2: other in nineteen seventy three, they got to fifty.
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Speaker 3: Obviously they both went beyond it.
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Speaker 2: Jack got to, say seventy three, but nobody after that
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Speaker 2: got to fifty wins in these what fifty some years,
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Speaker 2: except for Tiger. He did it in a round two
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Speaker 2: thousand and six. I believe it was when he got
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Speaker 2: to fifty. I mean that to me tells you that
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Speaker 2: it's a lot harder to do. There were six guys
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Speaker 2: who got to fifty wins in all of the PGA
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Speaker 2: Tour history, and it stopped in nineteen seventy three until
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Speaker 2: Tiger came along. Phil got to forty five, which Phil Michelson,
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Speaker 2: which is remarkable in itself that he got to forty five.
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Speaker 2: He actually thirty six of his forty five wins were
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Speaker 2: in Tiger's era.
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Speaker 3: Like that, to me is underrated what Phil did.
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Speaker 2: But other than that, look who do you have, I mean,
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Speaker 2: anybody else who got to those numbers did it a
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Speaker 2: long time ago. Tom Watson got to thirty nine and
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Speaker 2: eight majors.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: So Tom Watson, as great as he is and was,
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Speaker 2: came up ten behind Jack and his last major was
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three. I just think from that timeframe
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Speaker 2: on it became much harder to do, and yet Tiger
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Speaker 2: managed to put up numbers despite that.
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Speaker 3: Please do not move.
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Speaker 1: There's more with Bob coming up next the name of
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Speaker 1: the book Tiger Versus Jack. We are back with sportswriter
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Speaker 1: Bob Harrig. I feel like that we were given the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to be a fly on the wall when you
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Speaker 1: really go into detail about Jack being in the background
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Speaker 1: when Tiger was out there doing a great job on
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Speaker 1: that course, because I mean it's one of those where,
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Speaker 1: you know, we all read about the egos where people
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Speaker 1: walk into the locker rooms and don't come out they
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Speaker 1: don't want to see other grades. But the thing is
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Speaker 1: is that Jack seemed to be wide open with that.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to watch it himself.
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Speaker 3: Jack was really great about the whole Tiger pursuit.
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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, imagine how many times Jack
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Speaker 2: was asked about that. Jack was a a great statesman,
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Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Tiger. Thoughtful answers always said
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Speaker 2: things like, nobody wants to see their records broken, right,
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Speaker 2: but if he does it, I hope I'm there and
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Speaker 2: I hope I can shake his hand. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: have an anecdote in the book early on Actually, when
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Speaker 2: Tiger got to seventy three wins, which tied Jack on
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Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, it was at the Memorial Tournament, which
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Speaker 2: is Jack's tournament, and Jack was behind the eighteenth green
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Speaker 2: and Tiger walked off and there was Jack to shake
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Speaker 2: his hand, and you know, there was just always this
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Speaker 2: great level of respect and it was and it worked
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Speaker 2: both ways.
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Speaker 3: Tiger very respectful of Jack. And if you ask.
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Speaker 2: Tiger who's the greatest Tiger, you know, is going to
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Speaker 2: say Jack had eighteen and I had fifteen. He's going
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Speaker 2: to defer, but I think he's gonna also let others
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Speaker 2: make the argument, well who played the greatest golf? You know,
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Speaker 2: I think you can are thank you for Tiger in that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Tiger won four majors in a row. Jack
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Speaker 2: never did that. You know, the Tiger Slam is remarkable.
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Speaker 2: Jack never won three in a row. I mean, and
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Speaker 2: that's no slight, it's just facts. You know, Tiger won
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Speaker 2: four in a row. I mean, it is incredible, and it
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Speaker 2: is an incredible run that I'm not sure Jack had
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Speaker 2: quite that type of level of excellence that Tiger did
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Speaker 2: there for that period.
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Speaker 3: How is it?
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Speaker 1: And only because you've been with Tiger. How was he
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Speaker 1: able to be so calm always in front of that press.
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Speaker 1: I swear to God, as a broadcaster, I used to
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Speaker 1: just sit there and study him, trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what is he doing, because I mean, that is the
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Speaker 1: ultimate place that an interviewer wants them to be. Just
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Speaker 1: share the story man, and he does.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Tiger, I don't know that anybody in
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Speaker 2: the history at golf had to do more media than Tiger.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes and sometimes he's been criticized for his media
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Speaker 2: and I and I always point out, you know what,
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Speaker 2: Tiger very rarely said no, now, Tiger, Tiger might not
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Speaker 2: have given us a lot, you know. Sometimes his answers
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Speaker 2: weren't very in depth, or he was very good at
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Speaker 2: at not you know, saying a lot, but not really
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Speaker 2: answering the question. But he stood up and for the
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Speaker 2: most part, even in defeat or when he had tough days,
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Speaker 2: he stood up a lot of times. In today's world,
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Speaker 2: we have guys that don't that don't want to talk
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Speaker 2: to the media when things are going rough, right, And
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Speaker 2: I give Tiger a ton of credit for that. And
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Speaker 2: Jack was the best at that. Of course, he was
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Speaker 2: really good. But Jack didn't face the same kind of media.
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Speaker 2: You know, there wasn't There wasn't the Internet. There there
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Speaker 2: wasn't podcasts, there wasn't the constant you know, banter in
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Speaker 2: his time that Tiger faced, and it, frankly, it's gotten
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Speaker 2: even more so as years have gone on.
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Speaker 1: Oh God, you're like, I mean, when you bring up
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Speaker 1: the comparisons to the media like that, right away, my
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Speaker 1: imagination is going, but did Tiger play the social media
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Speaker 1: in the way of going, Okay, I've got to do something.
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Speaker 1: Because he is the master of dramatic he really is,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's my draw to him. It's like
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Speaker 1: he's gonna take it on. He's gonna take on that mountain,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna walk through it, and he's gonna say, look
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Speaker 1: at what we did. You the fan and me on
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Speaker 1: this course, we did this. That's what I always feel
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Speaker 1: from Tiger.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting Tiger didn't lean into social
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Speaker 2: media as much as he could, but there were times
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Speaker 2: when he played it off. And when he had the
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Speaker 2: back surgery in twenty seventeen, the spinal fusion that actually
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Speaker 2: led to him winning the nineteen Masters, there was a
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Speaker 2: lot of doubt about whether he'd ever play again, and
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Speaker 2: Tiger Tiger himself led to that Tiger sort of undersold
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Speaker 2: and overdelivered. He was very very much one not to
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Speaker 2: he was not being optimistic. He said things like, I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure you know what my future holds.
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Speaker 3: I can remember it.
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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, one of the first times we saw
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Speaker 2: him in public after that surgery, he was a an
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Speaker 2: assistant captain at the President's Cup, which was at Liberty
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Speaker 2: National and he was interviewed and he was giving a
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Speaker 2: lot of questions about how he was doing, and he's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, look, I barely started hitting balls.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know. I don't know what my future holds.
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Speaker 2: And then like a month later, on his Twitter account
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Speaker 2: pop up these videos of him just like for five
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Speaker 2: seconds hitting a drive, and then there'd be another one
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Speaker 2: and showing him practicing, and you know, he kind of
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Speaker 2: teased us, and I sort of like, you know, I
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Speaker 2: appreciated the bit.
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Speaker 3: I think that was I think that was pretty good.
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Speaker 2: But it yet it showed a level of he's starting
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Speaker 2: to feel better about himself.
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Speaker 1: You do something in the opening pages and this might
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Speaker 1: be because I'm the broadcaster or I'm also a p
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Speaker 1: based author. But when it comes to the dedication of
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Speaker 1: a book, I take that really super personal because that
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Speaker 1: person obviously meant and still means something to you. But
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Speaker 1: when I only get a t K. And now I'm going,
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Speaker 1: come on, Bob, I need to have I need to
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Speaker 1: know who TK is because I just gotta know.
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure what you're
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Speaker 2: referring to there. I don't in the.
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Speaker 1: In the open page, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, in the
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Speaker 1: acknowledges and and in the dedications and stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know what's funny about that is this is an oversight.
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
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Speaker 3: This was an oversight on my part. This is my
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Speaker 3: third book.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and at the beginning, I I you know, I
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Speaker 2: gave a shot a shout out to my family in
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Speaker 2: the first two books. I did it in a different way,
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Speaker 2: but I did it in this book for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: that slipped through the cracks.
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Speaker 3: And there isn't one.
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Speaker 2: So, like my wife's asking me, there's no dedication, you know,
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Speaker 2: there's no dedication, And I'm like, oh my god, I
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Speaker 2: go I completely withed.
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Speaker 3: It and they didn't ask for it. How do we
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Speaker 3: get to this point?
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Speaker 2: Look, I have acknowledgments at the back where I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who are more involved in the
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Speaker 2: technical parts of the book but not, you know, not
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Speaker 2: the emotional part that you should have upfront.
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Speaker 3: So that is my bad.
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Speaker 1: Wow, well we need to be thanking you. And the
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Speaker 1: reason why is because you bring the honesty to us.
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Speaker 1: This is, like you said, this is not a book
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Speaker 1: of hype. It's not one side of or lopsided. You
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Speaker 1: actually plant it and place it inside our decision making
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Speaker 1: and give us something really to have a conversation about,
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Speaker 1: so that when we go to a party we at
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Speaker 1: least have something to talk about.
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Speaker 3: That's the hope.
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Speaker 2: I hope that, Uh, if you were staunched for one
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Speaker 2: side or the other, you can at least look at
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Speaker 2: the other side. Now I have a lot of people
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Speaker 2: that won't do that. I have people that are absolutely
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Speaker 2: you know, you cannot convince me. But I you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I think you have to at least
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Speaker 2: have an open mind and look at at some of
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Speaker 2: the ways you can arrive. Then also, the book gets
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Speaker 2: into you know, why do the majors matter, how do
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Speaker 2: they evolve? You know, why do we count them? How
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Speaker 2: they've changed? And also some of the other players that
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Speaker 2: you might consider to be in the discussion at least
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Speaker 2: to bring up that. Obviously it's not just Tiger and Jack.
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Speaker 2: There have been some other grades of the game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I mean, I know that we've got
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Speaker 1: only a few minutes here left, but I want to
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Speaker 1: see how it's going to change now that these players
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Speaker 1: are coming back from the l I V. And do
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Speaker 1: they get an asterisk by their name if they start
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Speaker 1: kicking some serious butt when they get into the PGA.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's all to be determined. I think I'm.
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Speaker 1: Waiting for you to write about it. Man, I'm waiting
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Speaker 1: for you to write about it.
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Speaker 2: That's what it is.
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Speaker 3: It's been a tumultuous time for sure. Yeah, and.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the game is better for it, but
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Speaker 2: I do know the general feeling is we like to
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Speaker 2: see all these.
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Speaker 3: Guys together more.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And you know, if that can happen, then
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Speaker 2: I think we're better off if that happens.
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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about
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Speaker 1: everything that you've dedicated to this because you are nowhere
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Speaker 1: near a beginner in this journey. You are the storyteller.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, the books available in all the places you'd find
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Speaker 2: it on Amazon of course, and Barnes and Noble and
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Speaker 2: things like that. And I you know, I'm a I
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Speaker 2: have a full time job right golf for SI yep,
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Speaker 2: for Sports Illustrated.
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Speaker 3: So and I'm out there, you know, chasing it to
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Speaker 3: this day.
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Speaker 2: Next week's the PJA Championship and yes, and you know
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Speaker 2: we're fully in the throes of the golf season.
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Speaker 1: Now. Wow, well you got to come back to this
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Speaker 1: show anytime in the future. The door is always going
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Speaker 1: to be open for you, sir.
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Speaker 3: I would love to please reach out. I'm happy to
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Speaker 3: do it. Excellent, be brilliant today, Okay, I will, I
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Speaker 3: will try