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#162 - NFL, Mental Health, and the Music Industry · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Run the show the other 97 prepositions that exist today.
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  Zer zer, zer zer happy happy Friday.
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  I was going with my Santa hat and I put it on.
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  I'm like, I like fucking stupid in that, so I'm not wearing it.
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  Why would you look stupid in a sand?
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  You don't look stupid in anything.
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  I did I look stupid in a Santa hat.
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  Nah. That's my applause.
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  Can't believe that I remember that from like episode 3.
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  Hi, Mikey. Everything's going well.
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  What up, Mike? We're talking about hookers and
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  blow today, Mikey, so stay tuned.
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  Not really. So.
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  So how are you, Mike? I'm doing fantastic other than
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  I'm a little cold. I don't feel I ever ask you how
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  you are when we do this. We just kind of dive right in.
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  So. I know how my feelings get hurt.
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  I know, So let's talk about Mike Michaels.
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  Today, now I got nothing. OK, so did you watch football
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  last night the the Seattle game? Dude, if anything, if anything
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  tells you the NFLI don't want to say it's it's rigged because
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  again, if it was rigged, Peyton or Eli Manning wouldn't have
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  beat Tom Brady twice in Super Bowls because that tarnishes
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  Brady's legacy, right on some level.
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  Or it might not have been rigged then and it is now.
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  Right. But 30 to 16, the Rams are
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  ahead. Then all of a sudden, Matthew
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  Stafford starts sucking like he's never played football.
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  Yes. Gimme field goals are missed.
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  What is always 99% of time caught is dropped.
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  This is for the Rams side of the ball.
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  And then the the Seattle wins it with with a field goal in
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  overtime right with and they win by 1.
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  So that had to have fucked with the spread.
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  It had to have fucked with the over under.
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  I didn't bet on it. I.
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  Forgot. I did.
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  I took the Rams. Still took the Seahawks in his
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  infinite wisdom, but he never should have won that game to
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  your. Point no, no.
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  I mean, I was happy for him. I'm like, congratulations.
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  But I've never seen, well, I'm not going to say never because
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  the scenarios played out before. It played out in the Packers
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  game back in October, But it's hard to believe, to your point,
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  that a team could play as well as the Rams did, right, for the
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  first two quarters of that game. And then literally, I couldn't
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  agree with you more. They came out in the second-half
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  and it's like, did everybody forget how to play football?
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  Did they all take mushrooms while they're in the locker room
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  and they're just kind of like, look at the grass and.
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  And see, the thing that caught my eye is in the fourth quarter
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  they were up 30 to 16. Yeah.
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  And it was 3 consecutive series where the Rams went three and
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  out. And a couple of those series
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  would have extended had the ball has not been dropped.
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  And they were good throws. And some of Stafford's throws
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  were so erred over overthrown underthrown.
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  It's like that one bookies that one mobster said that that
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  because now I think of that every time, right?
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  You I don't know if you saw it out, but there's something on
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  social media where you told me about it, right?
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  I'm not going to find it. Gangster was talking about some
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  obstetaries like if if you owe the mob, you're going to pay
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  like that's just it. I don't care how you're going to
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  pay, but you're going to pay. So you're going to either miss a
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  field goal, you're going to overthrow a pass, you're going
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  to under throw a. Field goal he'd missed all
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  season. Right.
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  You're going to take a sack, you're going to fumble the ball,
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  you're going to do what we tell you to do until all your debts
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  are paid. Now, here's what I will tell you
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  if you watch that kick, it might be the greatest artist in the
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  history of missing a field goal. I mean, how did you do that to
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  make it? I don't know, man.
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  If you've kicked a million footballs, I guess you would
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  know how to make it. Keep drifting to the right,
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  right? Yep, Yep.
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  Maybe that's not as hard as it seems.
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  No, it's just it's some weird shit, man, and I don't.
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  Al Michaels had literally just gotten done saying yeah, he was,
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  or maybe it was a color guy. It doesn't matter.
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  They had literally just gotten done saying he has never.
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  He was like 38 for 38 this year or something.
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  Yep, and. Then everybody and their brother
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  was like, oh, he missed it. I found I found it.
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  I got to get the volume on it. There it is.
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  OK, Let me see if this will work.
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  If it if I could pull this one off.
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  It's a screen share. It's it's pretty cool because
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  this is going to summarize. Yeah, I'd like to hear this.
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  Yeah. Pay well.
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  I don't have the money right now.
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  OK, let me tell you something. I'm a big fan of yours.
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  I love the team. I support the team.
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  You don't have to pay me all at once, OK?
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  Pay me five points a week on the 250 in cash.
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  Every Friday you bring it here. But what they don't know that I
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  know is that even though we cut them off, they're around town
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  gambling with another bookmaker thinking we're going to make the
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  money back. So before you know what, they're
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  in debt from 56700 thousand. So now I bring them to me after
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  the interest stops and they said, look, how are you going to
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  pay me back? You got a rich uncle, go rob a
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  back. I don't care what you do.
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  Bring me my money. I got another way to work this
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  out. Here's how we're going to do it.
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  OK, You're a quarterback, OK, You're favored to win by 10
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  points the first time. First three times you get the
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  ball, you put it in the hands of the other receiver, put it in
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  the defensive men's hands. You're a running back.
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  You get the ball, you put it on the ground first three times,
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  you let me worry about the rest. You're going to do this until I
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  tell you, you know it's a deal. You owe me 250,000.
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  How you going to pay? Amazing, right?
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  That was an actual mobster who actually bookie whatever you
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  want to call it, right? Sharing the truth of if you owe
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  me money, this is what he's going to do and what does he
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  talk about? If you're a quarterback, what
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  are you going to do? You're.
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  Either going to throw interceptions or you're going to
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  do a lot of three and out. Right.
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  What happened last night in the fourth quarter?
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  Uh huh, Uh huh. He's one of the most accurate
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  passers in NFL history. I know.
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  Not just this. Year, right?
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  He's one of the most accurate passers that has ever graced the
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  professional football game. He's going.
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  He was throwing him 2. Feet above people's heads.
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  He's going to be the MVP. He's going to be the MVP that
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  that that's the talk about him this year because Mahomes had a
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  shitty year. Nobody else is really Lamar
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  Jackson shit year, borough shit year.
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  Think about it. What are the quarterbacks have
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  stood out? Justin Fields shit year
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  comparison, right? Barclays shitty shitty fucking
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  year. Shitty got he got paid.
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  I don't need to do this anymore, you know?
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  Well, here's a good comparison. OK, that would be like going to
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  a Van Halen concert. And for the first, say, it's a 2
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  1/2 hour concert. For the first hour, Eddie is the
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  Eddie we all know and love. And then they take a quick
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  little break to do a drum solo and he comes out and he plays
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  like he's playing a Hello Kitty guitar.
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  You know, it's out of tune. He's hitting the wrong notes.
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  And unfortunately for him, when he was going through some of his
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  horrible years, that actually happened.
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  But. Right, right.
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  I just heard Sammy tell a tragic story about that reunion tour
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  with him and David Lee Roth. And that was during Eddie's
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  really bad time. And he tried, Sammy tried to get
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  out of it and they were going to sue him for the rest of the
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  money that they were going to make on that tour.
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  So he said, I, I powered through the rest of it, but it was so
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  sad to watch. You know what was?
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  That would be the equivalent. Elaborate.
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  Share the story. Share the story about why I have
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  no idea what you're talking about.
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  Oh, Eddie went through a period where he was all messed.
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  Up. Well, I knew I knew that, but
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  but I mean share the story that Sammy shared because I've never
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  heard this. It was exactly what I it was
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  exactly what I just described. He was hitting bad notes.
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  Or they would have a set list just like you and I would put a
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  set list together. Imagine if you thought Freeman
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  was coming next and I started playing.
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  Listen to your sin that kind of scenario.
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  Happened. That was the first scenario that
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  Sammy described was they would have a set list and he would
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  literally start playing the wrong song.
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  So like Alex is playing the drum beat to the song that he thought
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  he was supposed to be playing, and when everybody heard the
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  guitar come in, Eddie's completely playing the wrong.
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  Oh. Shit, and I hate to bash on
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  Eddie again because I got crucified on YouTube for saying
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  that he sucked in the studio, which is not really what I
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  meant, but right, right, right. I went through a bad period in
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  my life too where I couldn't play a guitar either.
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  You know, if you're messed up on drugs, you think you can play,
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  but you can't. Yeah.
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  But it was just heartbreaking to hear him, to hear Sammy tell the
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  story because you could see it in his eyes and hear it in his
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  voice. He loved that man.
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  Yeah, well, yeah. You know, he and he said when it
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  was good, it was good, man. It was better than anything.
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  Just like you describe our relationship with writing songs,
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  right? It was the best it it, it had
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  ever been for Sammy. It was just effortless and easy
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  and the same kind of, you know, scenario that you describe you
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  and I sitting in a room, right? And that's how I feel about it,
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  too. Yeah.
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  So then to have to watch your brother, right?
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  Who people consider a living legend at the time, right?
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  Still struggle and. Suffer like that?
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  Yeah, well. Yeah, now he's.
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  I know what you mean now. He's just a legend.
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  I know what you mean. But that's my equivalent of what
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  happened in that Rams game last night was literally the team
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  that came out in the second-half was just not.
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  They didn't even look like a professional football team
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  anymore. No.
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  And, and Sean McVay is one of those, one of those guys, he has
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  a photographic memory. If you've ever watched him post
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  game he can tell you. That good, that young by
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  accident? No, and he can he can basically
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  tell you the entire game, play by play and tell you what
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  happened each individual snap for what I mean, it's amazing
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  the guy's memory and and photographically, you ask him a
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  question about, you know, the, the, the 7th play on the third
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  drive, you know, and the motion, he can tell you exactly what
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  happened. So the guy's fucking smart as
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  hell. And and they like to your point,
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  he was one of he was the youngest coach, I think at the
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  time to make head coach in the NFLI.
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  Think he was like 34 or something, I believe when he
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  first started coaching the Rams, right.
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  So there's no way that they come out and suck that bad.
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  Well, I don't know a few. Times.
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  I don't know if you saw this particular scene, but it was
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  about the third or fourth time that Stafford had thrown the
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  ball so far above the receiver's head he went to the sideline and
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  McVeigh was literally like, you could read his lips.
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  What the fuck? Yeah, yeah.
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  So I'm glad you brought him up, because I meant to say that
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  earlier. Yeah, there was a a scene right
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  there where and Stafford just kept walking by him and
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  Mcveigh's like, what the fuck? And he just kept turning around
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  and Stafford just kept walking. So that makes that video that we
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  just watched. Not that I'm not saying that's
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  what's happening, but I know why that video goes through your
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  head when you see scenarios like that.
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  It's a little. I think it's happening.
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  I, I think it's happening now more than it ever has.
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  Because if of all the bullshit we've seen this year with the
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  referees, with certain players and how they're not playing how
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  they normally play, I, I think it's, I think, I think it was
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  back up. I never thought that allowing,
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  legalizing gambling was going to be, was going to be productive
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  for the world on the scale that it is now, right?
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  You can go to Vegas and gamble. You can go to Laughlin and
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  gamble Atlantic City Jersey gamble, right?
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  But I never thought going grand scale was going to be beneficial
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  to anybody. I never thought putting a team
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  in Vegas, a professional team was going to work.
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  Because I guarantee you there is there is mob ties, there's
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  gambling, there's shit going on there that people don't realize.
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  And I think because the NFL has embraced gambling, they do it on
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  all their all their pod, all their all their pre game shows.
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  They, you know, I mean, he's going to run for this amount.
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  They're like, they're totally being bookies.
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  They're totally being, you know, remember the movie what 2 for
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  the money with with with Matthew McConaughey and and Al Pacino.
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  Matthew McConaughey is a right. It's that shit coming to life.
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  And I think the more and more you have inconsistent penalties
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  being called, not being called and play like Matthew Stafford
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  did last night, more and more people are going to be suspect
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  to what is actually going on. And there's no way to police it,
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  right? You can test for drugs, right,
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  PE DS, but you can't test for gambling.
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  You know, like the one dude from the Dodgers, right?
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  His brother got bust caught, caught gambling and nothing
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  happens to the old older brother.
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  But what the fuck? Pete Rose gets banned for life
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  until he dies and then all of a sudden he's reinstated.
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  So I just think there's a whole bunch of shit going on behind
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  the scenes. And I think the NFL is now, like
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  you said, it's an entertainment business, is an entertainment
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  empire. And their ties with gambling is
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  going to make them that much more of a financial windfall on
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  some levels. Because I don't think it's too
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  far removed from the whole, I don't know, you know what I'm
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  trying to say. It seems it's Slim Shady, man.
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  It's Slim Shady. Your point was so stellar I had
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  a response in there somewhere and it drifted away.
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  Sorry. No, it's it's all good.
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  But it I go. Ahead, I agree with you in the
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  fact that, oh, I know what I was going to say.
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  We were sitting there one day. It was your point about all the
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  pregame and postgame. Well, pregame for sure, with the
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  sticker across the bottom that shows you, you know, what
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  Mahomes is going to throw for how many touchdowns Derrick
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  Henry's going to run, for what the money line bet is, what the
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  spread is. I don't know.
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  It might have been three or four years into when it was legalized
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  gambling. That thought hit steel like a
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  ton of bricks. He was like, look at that man.
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  Everything they're talking about and everything we're watching,
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  all they're talking about is money, right?
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  Exactly. Now we're talking straight up
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  gambling on the pregame show without really saying it, but if
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  you're reading between the lines 1,000,000% you just hit the
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  multi billion dollar question. It's not more.
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  Does that affect the game? It does affect the game because
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  you're going to, people are going to.
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  I didn't, I didn't bet on anything last night or this week
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  and I totally forgot. I can still do something, but I
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  didn't. So I watched, I watched the
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  Seattle game for about the 1st 5 minutes and then Nick and I
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  watched a documentary, which I'm talk about second.
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  And then I went back to rapid, rapid highlights.
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  And then I kind of I catch it up like with what, 12 minutes for
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  14 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
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  So I didn't see the whole game itself, but I could tell from
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  what I saw initially to where I came in and how Matthew Stafford
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  was just straight up being like, dude, who are you?
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  Like he was as accurate as he is in any game in the first half.
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  I. Saw from I saw from 10 minutes
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  in the first quarter OK through the rest of the game.
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  Yeah. He was like threading the
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  needle. That's how they scored all those
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  points, right? They only kicked I think 2 field
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  goals in the first half. The rest of them were obviously
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  all touchdowns. That's how they ended up with 30
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  points. The the other the other things
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  that that stand out to Nakua. Hell of a fucking receiver,
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  right? Oh, and that dude is just money.
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  He had a career game, but then he does some stupid
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  unsportsmanlike penalty comp. Like, really?
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  Here was the turning point in the game, and I think you might
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  have missed this, but did you see when the Seahawks, what you
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  said you started in the fourth quarter?
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  Right, I saw this two point conversion thing.
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  OK, but you didn't see the interception when Seattle was
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  getting ready to score? Yeah, I saw that right on the
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  big guy, right? Yeah, that was the turning point
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  in the game when that interception happened and they
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  went three and out. The Rams were a different team
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  from that point forward. Yeah, yeah.
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  That literally was the turning point in the game.
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  I was like, you know, Seattle's getting ready to score.
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  I'm still, I'm on the money line with the Rams because they were
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  actually an underdog in that game.
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  They were getting. Yeah, they should have been
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  point in. The half, yeah, because
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  Seattle's at home. So I'm like, I'll take arguably
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  the best offense this year at plus money, right?
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  Yeah. At that point when they went
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  three and out, all the sudden everything we just described for
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  the last 10 minutes unfolded. Yeah.
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  He couldn't hit a receiver. You had the stupid
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  unsportsmanlike penalty conduct. The defense quit.
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  Where would? That's the other conversation we
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  haven't had. Where is the Rams defense that
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  was in the first half that held Seattle to what, 6 point?
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  How many they have in the Yeah. 6. 6 or 10 or whatever.
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  Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
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  I don't. It's it's that's the things that
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  going to that's going to be the thing the cloud that hangs over
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  the NFL now because they're they're allowing gambling to be
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  so prevalent in I've. Been saying it over and over
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  again, it's turning into the WWE and if that's what it's going to
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  become, that's fine because the WWE actually makes more money
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  than any other sport on earth. So it's not like it's not
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  successful. But let's call us, let's call it
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  what it is, right? Right.
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  If we're not playing a legitimate game anymore, let's
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  let everybody know about it. Right, so there was there was a
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  hot mic on a game of those. OK, hold on.
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  It's always nice to know what people are really saying and how
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  they really feel. Right.
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  OK, we're going to share. I wanted to make sure I found
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  the right one because when I hit that, when I hit hot mic, about
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  15 different racial ones came up.
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  And I'm not, I'm not doing any racial crap.
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  No, no need for that. So let me know if you can hear
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  this see. When I have Super Bowl 60 on
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  February 8th at Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, CA, then it will be
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  our honor at the ABC for the Super Bowl 61 on Valentine's Day
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  2027 right here. It's so fine Englewood and the
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  other one we know will be Super Bowl 62 February of 2020, eighth
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  in Atlanta and you can be my date on that one.
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  Yes, up to the 25 a 16 card return.
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  We'll be honored to be here in this great stadium that is in
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  it's. Coming 6th.
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  Year. Have you seen the script?
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  Do you know who's going to play that one?
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  Yeah, I saw it. OK OK so the boys and girls
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  we're going to do that again. This is my favorite Troy Eggman
• 20:47
  Joe Buck sarcasm. Hate them both.
• 20:49
  Can't stand listen them which is why I watch Manning cast.
• 20:52
  Me too. Wait, missed it here.
• 20:57
  You can hear this right, Mike? Yeah.
• 20:59
  OK. Why do I keep missing it?
• 21:04
  Come on. It happened have.
• 21:07
  You seen the script? Joe Buck asks Aceman.
• 21:10
  Have you seen the script? Did you see the script?
• 21:14
  Do you know who's going to play in that one?
• 21:15
  And Aikman says yeah. I saw it, yeah.
• 21:22
  It's like this shit isn't made-up, This is this is
• 21:25
  accidentally caught. And the fact that nobody's and
• 21:28
  the fact that nobody's really talking about this blows my
• 21:30
  mind. There you go.
• 21:32
  Have you seen the script? Do you know who's going to play
• 21:34
  in that one? Yeah, I saw it.
• 21:39
  Mind boggling there's. Another one, and I'm not sure
• 21:43
  how you would Google it, but I remember right before the Super
• 21:48
  Bowl last year, there was this conspiracy that said they start
• 21:53
  showing the colors of the teams that are going to be in the
• 21:55
  Super Bowl long before the playoffs are over.
• 21:58
  Yeah, like they're starting to put that subliminal message in
• 22:01
  your head through the commercials.
• 22:03
  Right? The Eagles.
• 22:05
  Was it the Eagles and the Chiefs last year?
• 22:08
  Yes. Those colors were all over
• 22:11
  before the playoffs had even finished up.
• 22:16
  Wow. I was following this guy's
• 22:18
  channel and that was his whole conspiracy was you already know
• 22:21
  who's going to be in the Super Bowl because they got the colors
• 22:23
  in the commercial. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:27
  I just, I it's and see, here's the thing, man, if this is, if
• 22:33
  this is legit, like let's you know, let's just call it legit.
• 22:36
  Let's say this is really happening on the NFL.
• 22:40
  You're going to lose. Like I don't, I don't.
• 22:42
  I was I loved in the I loved watching football.
• 22:44
  Like legit, that was I mean you on a Sunday.
• 22:47
  I'm at home all day watching football.
• 22:50
  I have all. Through the 90s man parties.
• 22:53
  Just. Football parties and shit right
• 22:56
  loves. Right.
• 22:58
  And, and where this is going now, I just, I just it, it's
• 23:04
  mind boggling because it's going to, it's taking away the joy of
• 23:07
  watching the game, right? Because you don't know if you go
• 23:11
  back to, if you go back to the Super Bowl where the, the, the
• 23:14
  Patriots were losing to the Falcons, What was it?
• 23:17
  What was it like 28 to 3? Well, like the biggest comeback
• 23:20
  in NFL history. Yeah, but and you, I don't
• 23:23
  think, I don't think the scripting began back then.
• 23:26
  I mean, that's the game that actually, I, I found the respect
• 23:29
  for Tom Brady that he deserves as a player because he, he
• 23:32
  completely changed his and Belichick, they completely
• 23:36
  changed their approach to the game.
• 23:38
  He dinked and dunked all the way down the field.
• 23:39
  It was 2 yards. It was 3 yards, it was 4 yards.
• 23:41
  There was nothing over the middle because of the defense.
• 23:45
  The Falcons were playing. Everything was on the outside
• 23:48
  swing passes, screens, passes, bubble sweeps, all that kind of
• 23:51
  shit. So there was nothing that was a
• 23:53
  threat. And, and most of the NFL teams
• 23:55
  will give you, will give you 5 yards in front of us.
• 23:58
  You know, because they're, they're betting on the fact that
• 24:00
  that out of those 3 plays, you need to get a first down, you
• 24:05
  get two or three two. Or one of them, right?
• 24:07
  So you're going to have a stop at some at some point time.
• 24:10
  I think that was was the last true legitimate comeback without
• 24:19
  anything funny going on. Well, I don't know when gambling
• 24:22
  started for you guys in Arizona, but it was 2016 here.
• 24:26
  So if you want a timeline, let's just say that legalized gambling
• 24:30
  became prominent right around 2010 for the United States
• 24:35
  because Illinois probably didn't adopt it first.
• 24:38
  We're usually way behind. So let's say somewhere around
• 24:41
  2010, 2015, gambling started to creep in.
• 24:45
  So what year is that game you're talking about?
• 24:47
  That would have been what? The Falcons and Falcons
• 24:52
  Patriots. Patriots, let's see what year
• 24:55
  that was. I'm kind of curious what the
• 24:56
  timeline is. 2017. So, well, maybe we were early
• 25:03
  adopters because I don't feel like back then I felt like I was
• 25:09
  getting screwed as much or there was as much evidence to point
• 25:13
  to, to say, yeah, there could be some funny business.
• 25:16
  We just gave everybody 15 minutes of examples of things
• 25:19
  that are potentially. We're not saying that that's
• 25:21
  what's going on, but it sure looks funny to two guys who have
• 25:25
  been watching football since we were.
• 25:29
  Probably 7 years old. Yeah, we remember right around
• 25:31
  10 years old. So we'll say 1983 for you to be
• 25:35
  like 1980. Yep.
• 25:37
  For steel, it goes back to the 60s to when he can remember.
• 25:40
  You know, like 1960. Yeah, like Monday Night
• 25:43
  Football's been around since started when you and I were were
• 25:45
  basically 3-4 years, three and six years old.
• 25:48
  Early 1970s, right? Yeah, it was late 1970s.
• 25:51
  Yeah, so Sunday Night Football's been around, just hit the 20th
• 25:55
  year. So these are things that that
• 25:57
  I've grown up with, that you've grown up with, that a lot of
• 25:59
  people have grown up watching. And you cannot deny there's a
• 26:02
  major difference now in how the game's officiated and how, well,
• 26:06
  what super. Bowl are we on 53?
• 26:09
  I am fucking well, whatever. I think the Super Bowl is the
• 26:11
  same age as you as my going to be my .0.
• 26:13
  OK, that's how many Super Bowls there are.
• 26:16
  It's not that old. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:20
  A lot of people think the Super Bowl's been around forever
• 26:22
  because they don't pay attention to the fact that it, you know,
• 26:24
  there's a number behind it. Right, Yeah, I just, I just,
• 26:32
  it's mind boggling to me that they're they're they're they're
• 26:36
  changing the game. And by changing the game,
• 26:41
  you're, you're, you're turning into Al Pacino's movie.
• 26:43
  Any given Sunday you're going to end up seeing a running back run
• 26:47
  into the end zone, pull out a gun from his from his pants and
• 26:50
  blow his head off because he's so knee deep into the mobster
• 26:53
  and the mafia for gambling that he can't see the end of the
• 26:56
  tunnel. Agreed and here's here's a good
• 26:59
  equivalent is I used to love the NBA too Yeah, I don't like what
• 27:05
  the NBA became. It's a different game than the
• 27:08
  one that I liked right. I like the actual.
• 27:10
  Well agreed 100%. Basketball where defense ruled
• 27:13
  the day and you know, driving to the basket was the initial goal
• 27:17
  and kicking it back out for a three pointer was a secondary
• 27:21
  thing, right? Right now, if you watch an NBA
• 27:24
  game, all they do for 40 minutes is Chuck up threes and rebound
• 27:28
  and run to the other end and Chuck up a three.
• 27:30
  I just don't. If you like that game, that's
• 27:32
  great. You know that it's successful.
• 27:34
  They're making a lot of money. Somebody likes it.
• 27:36
  I'm just not that guy. I think that's what the NFL is
• 27:39
  turning into. It's They're gonna ruin the game
• 27:42
  for those of us who actually like to watch what we consider
• 27:45
  legitimate football. Right.
• 27:48
  And the fact that you can't hit anybody now without a flag is
• 27:51
  ridiculous. The fact that, you know, there's
• 27:53
  certain quarterbacks that can be levelled and nothing's thrown.
• 27:57
  Certain quarterbacks can be, you know, flicked and five flags get
• 28:02
  dropped. Well, in there, that's a great
• 28:04
  example. There's another way that the
• 28:06
  officials can wholeheartedly influence the outcome of the
• 28:10
  game simply by the fact that you see, how many times are you
• 28:14
  watching a game? And there's all these like Troy
• 28:18
  said on his episode where that guy made fun of him because, you
• 28:21
  know, he couldn't find his keys. It's like when you can't find
• 28:23
  your keys, like you can't find your flag.
• 28:24
  They were holding us the whole game.
• 28:26
  You know, you're watching these things happen and you see no
• 28:28
  flags. And then to your point, a guy
• 28:31
  you know hits him with his hangnail and it's like, oh, pass
• 28:33
  interference or roughing the passer.
• 28:36
  Right. Or when you see him a completely
• 28:38
  turn around on a guy's head with his head staying still.
• 28:40
  You don't call a flag for for for face mask, face mask.
• 28:43
  There's there's seven officials on the field.
• 28:45
  It's not like there's just three, right?
• 28:47
  Like when we started watching football, there was 3 there's
• 28:51
  the referee, there's a line judge back judge.
• 28:53
  That was it. Yep, you didn't have and then
• 28:55
  you have by the way, then you have I think 10 officials in the
• 28:58
  stands random spots because they have this new thing they're
• 29:00
  doing. Plus then you have all the all
• 29:02
  the cameras on every game is just insane.
• 29:04
  Then you have all the new cell phone right Then you right.
• 29:08
  So they're really because because of is instant replay and
• 29:13
  all that kind of shit and because the referees now huddle
• 29:15
  before they call a play because, right, a play will be done and
• 29:18
  somebody will be complaining and then all of a sudden he yells at
• 29:20
  a referee. So then the referees huddle.
• 29:22
  Oh yeah, our bad. We missed that.
• 29:24
  But here's a flag. You can't do that.
• 29:27
  You just and something needs to change.
• 29:29
  Something needs to change in the NFL level when it comes to
• 29:31
  officiating. It's like across the board, like
• 29:34
  it's just like the the taunting shit.
• 29:37
  Are you serious? That's a taunt.
• 29:40
  We're grown. Fucking twive that.
• 29:42
  That's a taunt. We are grown.
• 29:44
  Fucking men playing the game where we're smashing into each
• 29:48
  other at like 20 miles an hour impact.
• 29:52
  Yep, Yep, it's and if I. Look at you funny.
• 29:56
  Then I get a penalty. Right, right.
• 29:57
  It's bullshit. I get the penalties for this
• 29:59
  when they when they go because, you know, I I I think that's
• 30:04
  cheesy, but I get it. Yeah, You're not.
• 30:06
  You're not, unless you're Ray Lewis or Michael Irvin, you're
• 30:10
  not out there shooting for real, you know, or Aaron Hernandez.
• 30:13
  I mean, those guys really shot, but you know.
• 30:15
  And here's the other thing. You're the cornerback.
• 30:19
  I'm the receiver for 3/4. I've been going.
• 30:23
  You can't catch me, motherfucker.
• 30:25
  You ain't shit. Oh, I burned you again.
• 30:27
  Burned you again. Burned you again.
• 30:29
  Man, You're slow. You're slow.
• 30:30
  And then all of a sudden you lay me out.
• 30:33
  You have every right to stand over me and go.
• 30:36
  Got you that time, didn't I? Yep.
• 30:38
  Right boom flag. Yeah.
• 30:41
  But where's the flag when you're smack talking me the whole for
• 30:43
  the 1st 3/4? And that's one thing I'm guilty
• 30:46
  of not thinking about until it was either Peyton or Eli said it
• 30:50
  one of those Monday nights, you know, like, oh come on, man, you
• 30:53
  don't know what's been going on for 3/4.
• 30:56
  That guy's probably been going just all the things I.
• 30:58
  Remember that, I remember that. You ain't shit, you know.
• 31:01
  And that's the hand fighting shit too.
• 31:03
  They let you that. I was watching one game this
• 31:05
  weekend and the hand fighting was ridiculous all the way up to
• 31:08
  the where where the the receiver kind of hand fought 20 yards
• 31:12
  down the field with the defender and then kind of pushes away and
• 31:14
  catches the ball. If that shit happens in the last
• 31:17
  two minutes of the game, that's a penalty across the board.
• 31:20
  Agreed. And that's ridiculous too.
• 31:22
  Yeah, if you're going to want 38 minutes, it's OK, but that last
• 31:26
  two minutes can't happen. Yep, it's fucking ridiculous.
• 31:31
  So that's football. Let's get out of football.
• 31:32
  Let's go to documentaries. Yeah, what do you watch?
• 31:35
  I watched Have You Seen Me Lately, which is the documentary
• 31:39
  of the Counting Crows. Oh, it just dropped last night
• 31:43
  on on on HBO Max. I'll watch that tonight.
• 31:47
  So here's what's really cool. Everybody knows Mr. Jones.
• 31:50
  OK, So August and everything after that, the story, I want
• 31:54
  you to watch the documentary. It's a great album.
• 31:56
  So the story behind it, without giving things away, is they kind
• 32:00
  of they kind of pull the cannon box, right?
• 32:02
  They rehearse forever, blah, blah, blah.
• 32:03
  Cannon Box plays your show. You can give it away, it's a
• 32:06
  documentary and they live their. Life, this is true.
• 32:08
  This is true. So, so Adam puts this band
• 32:11
  together to his band. Everything goes through Adam.
• 32:15
  He, he basically, it's a whirlwind.
• 32:17
  They, they, they do an EP that sounds like an actual album.
• 32:21
  And one of the bandmates has a studio, A-16 track studio.
• 32:27
  They run into somebody's lawyer and the lawyer's like, oh, I'm
• 32:33
  going to, I'm going to, you know, get me something.
• 32:35
  So he takes the tape. Adam sends sends this lawyer the
• 32:38
  tape guys like off the hook like Oh my God, you got to be kidding
• 32:44
  me. It's 14 songs.
• 32:46
  You're only supposed to have three songs that you send to a
• 32:48
  label. There's 14 songs, which ended up
• 32:50
  being every single song on August and everything after guy
• 32:56
  gets it to a label. Geffen, I think it was.
• 33:01
  And, and they're thinking there's no way in hell Geffen's
• 33:03
  going to going to pursue these guys.
• 33:06
  About 30 seconds into into when the guy had the tape, he calls
• 33:10
  them up. He's like, yes.
• 33:12
  So one of the unique things I didn't know about the music
• 33:15
  industry back then is so the Geffen people, they made copies
• 33:20
  of the tape and they kicked it all around the office.
• 33:24
  So that was kind of like, you go to work and you, you play music,
• 33:28
  right? So you're Geffen, I guess you
• 33:31
  come in the front door, you know, lobby, whatever.
• 33:33
  And, and here's here's a here's a barrage of cassette tapes from
• 33:36
  bands that have been sent in. So you grab a tape and you put
• 33:41
  it. In SO, they use the staff as a.
• 33:44
  Kind of part of that's the one I got a rometer.
• 33:46
  That's what I got out of it. Yeah, that's cool.
• 33:48
  But then it ended up they end up sending tapes to all different
• 33:51
  kind of all the other labels as well.
• 33:53
  So all the other labels are doing the same thing.
• 33:55
  And then and what ends up happening, according to the the
• 33:58
  documentary is there August and everything after becomes a
• 34:01
  soundtrack for the labels. So a bidding war begins.
• 34:05
  So they ended up signing with Geffen for a higher.
• 34:08
  Bidding war to the people that are listening that don't
• 34:10
  understand the music business. A bidding warriors, You have 5
• 34:13
  different labels and whoever's going to give you the best terms
• 34:15
  and conditions possible, you're going to go.
• 34:17
  With that is the best scenario a band?
• 34:18
  That's a dream scenario for a band as people are fighting
• 34:21
  after you. Right.
• 34:22
  So the interesting thing that Adam says, we went with Geffen
• 34:26
  because they gave us a higher percentage of royalties and we
• 34:29
  retain the rights to our music. We left a lot of, we left a lot
• 34:33
  of money on the table. Upfront money on the table,
• 34:35
  right? A lot of.
• 34:36
  Money on the back end. Yeah, and I don't know how much,
• 34:40
  I don't know how how they're split because everything he
• 34:42
  writes everything, the words and music and then.
• 34:44
  He probably gets upwards of 70% of the money.
• 34:48
  Yeah, so when you watch the documentary, the bandmates like
• 34:52
  Charlie Guitars, she's like, man, I'm a Little League coach
• 34:54
  and I play in a famous band. That literally is what he said.
• 34:58
  Because he was really a hired gun at that.
• 35:00
  Right. And they all they all just kind
• 35:02
  of Adam does his thing, you know, and rightfully so.
• 35:05
  August everything after came out the gates 7 million copies
• 35:08
  recovering the satellites came out the gates 2 million copies.
• 35:10
  So it was considered a failure. The interesting.
• 35:14
  Thing about isn't that crazy. Back then it was a failure,
• 35:17
  right? So Saturday Night Live comes
• 35:20
  calling and they give, they tell them they can play around here.
• 35:26
  This is when I was introduced to Counting Crows.
• 35:28
  They can play around here 1st and Mr. Jones second.
• 35:30
  Well, when they get to the show, they're like, Nah, fuck you,
• 35:32
  you're not doing that. You're going to cut them in and
• 35:34
  off each song and you're going to play Mr. Jones 1st and that's
• 35:36
  it. And Adam's like no.
• 35:37
  And they're like, well no, yeah, you have to because this is TV
• 35:40
  and TV changes. And Adam's like, no, we'll just
• 35:43
  leave. We'll just walk away.
• 35:45
  We'll be the band that leaves Saturday live and just leave you
• 35:48
  completely hanging. So to check the book them their
• 35:52
  first song they do is Round here and it's.
• 35:54
  And if you haven't seen that version of Round Here, Google it
• 35:57
  on YouTube. Counting Crows.
• 35:59
  They've never been. They've never played SNL again
• 36:02
  because they were defiant, kind of like the doors were when it
• 36:05
  was on the head. So.
• 36:06
  I'm sure Lorne Michaels blackballed them.
• 36:08
  It wasn't Lorne Michaels, there's some other chick that
• 36:10
  books them. Like she saw them somewhere and
• 36:12
  she booked them. I'm sure they have a musical
• 36:13
  director. Sure, I forget her name.
• 36:16
  She's some documentary. That version around here is just
• 36:20
  fucking amazing. That's the first time I ever saw
• 36:23
  him. Yeah, because I used to watch
• 36:24
  that Saturday Night Live every Saturday back then.
• 36:27
  Yeah, when it was good, and then and then ironically enough, when
• 36:30
  Nemesis was going on, I'm going to say probably 98% of the time,
• 36:35
  August and everything after Dizzy Up the Girl and I, fuck, I
• 36:42
  can't remember the third album, but it was 3 albums I would
• 36:44
  always listen, I always listen to.
• 36:46
  And those were the Muse. Those are the vehicles to get my
• 36:49
  my creative juices slowing and and how I read.
• 36:54
  Songwriters, man. Right.
• 36:55
  And it was all in the background when I would write lyrics.
• 36:58
  Real quick fact, a lot of people don't know that the the bass
• 37:01
  player wrote most of those songs in the Goo Goo Dolls.
• 37:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Johnny Resnick was lyrics but.
• 37:09
  Yeah, actually, a bass player wrote a lot of those lyrics,
• 37:12
  too. Really.
• 37:13
  Yeah, He was the primary songwriter in the Goo Goo Dolls.
• 37:16
  OK, I did not know that. I didn't.
• 37:19
  Either. Well, of course, everybody
• 37:21
  always thinks that the front man writes everything.
• 37:23
  Unless you're Russian, it's Neil Pert, but.
• 37:25
  People don't know that. They think it's the guy standing
• 37:28
  out front, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 37:30
  True that. It's just the person you relate
• 37:34
  to in the band you think always is the primary songwriter,
• 37:37
  unless you're in the business and you know.
• 37:39
  Right, so the interesting thing about Mr. Jones is basically it
• 37:47
  came out during grunge. OK, so this was the cool thing.
• 37:50
  Grunge took over the world and Counting Crows come out with Mr.
• 37:52
  Jones. Mr. Jones is basically, if
• 37:54
  you've never listened to the lyrics to summarize it, it's a
• 37:56
  guy who who wants to be a rock star and the the whole song is
• 37:59
  about becoming a rock star in an era where the anti music
• 38:04
  movement was grunge. We don't want to be rock stars,
• 38:06
  we don't want to be successful, we don't want to make it to the
• 38:09
  top. Like said, no musician ever.
• 38:11
  I don't care who you are, no musician steps on a stage with
• 38:15
  the intent of being poor for the rest of their life.
• 38:18
  Except maybe for real Kurt Cobain.
• 38:21
  I don't, but I don't. I don't I, I don't.
• 38:23
  I'm going to agree with you a little bit, but not not
• 38:26
  wholeheartedly, because. You don't.
• 38:27
  I didn't know him, obviously. I'm just.
• 38:29
  Going from. Hundreds of hours of listening
• 38:32
  to people that knew him that said of all people they ever
• 38:35
  met, fame is actually probably what killed him.
• 38:40
  I, I probably, but I just to me, you don't, you don't step on
• 38:45
  that stage. I'm not disagreeing with.
• 38:48
  You. Yeah, unless you plan.
• 38:49
  Unless because you're your goal. I had my reasons for getting up
• 38:52
  there too, right? I didn't want to work a real job
• 38:54
  and I wanted to get paid to see the world.
• 38:56
  Those were my 2 motivations to get out there financially is I
• 39:00
  didn't want to have to get a real job, right?
• 39:02
  Quote UN quote because playing music is probably harder than
• 39:05
  any real job you'll ever have anyway.
• 39:08
  They talk about that in the documentary too.
• 39:10
  And I wanted to get paid to see the world, oddly enough, because
• 39:13
  I I love geography when I was in school, you know, I'm like,
• 39:16
  there's a whole world out there that I'm never going to see.
• 39:18
  Yeah. And that's just that bothered me
• 39:20
  somehow. So I'm like, you know, if we
• 39:22
  sell enough records, we're going to see that world, right.
• 39:27
  Yeah. So I agree with you.
• 39:28
  I just I've heard enough hours that I honestly think that he
• 39:32
  might be one of the few exceptions that was an anti hero
• 39:36
  for real. OK, I'll give you that.
• 39:38
  I didn't know that about it. Now ironically enough, him and
• 39:40
  Dirts were friends. Him and Adam were really good
• 39:42
  friends. Which kind of like, wow, OK, so
• 39:47
  when Adam got the call that he died, that that fucked him up?
• 39:50
  Oh, real quick story that you'll appreciate that.
• 39:52
  I just heard about Nirvana. OK, they had an opening female,
• 39:56
  I think it doesn't matter, but I believe they were an all female
• 39:59
  band and I'm pretty sure they were playing in Canada.
• 40:02
  OK. And.
• 40:05
  Yeah, don't even say that. But anyway, this is this part of
• 40:09
  the story is true. And that there was a gig where
• 40:11
  the audience dissed the opening band and it pissed Kurt Cobain
• 40:15
  off so bad that he went up there, wouldn't play any of the
• 40:18
  hits except for Smells Like Teen Spirit, and there's a video of
• 40:22
  him playing it so badly. So he just basically ruined the
• 40:26
  show for the audience because they were assholes to his
• 40:29
  opening act. OK, so the correlation that cult
• 40:33
  that that you enter Adam Dirt same way because everybody that
• 40:37
  opened for the Counting Crows those first three years on the
• 40:39
  road were people they knew they were playing some show.
• 40:42
  This is from somebody who knew him.
• 40:45
  She was the the manager of the Viper Room, which ironically
• 40:50
  enough, for about a year and a half, Adam Dirtz was the
• 40:52
  bartender at the. That's right, I have heard that
• 40:55
  story. Like he legit it's just kind of
• 40:58
  watch documentary, it's fascinating.
• 41:01
  I've heard a lot of these stories because I'm a big
• 41:02
  Counting Crows fan. Yeah, so he, he, he was so
• 41:06
  pissed off at the crowd, how they treated his opening act,
• 41:09
  which is one of his friends, that he played four songs and
• 41:11
  left. That was it.
• 41:13
  I appreciate that, man. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:16
  I'll tell you the most. Boss move and whether what
• 41:19
  whatever you think about him now, Metallica.
• 41:23
  Their fans were so rabid that they eventually just had to not
• 41:27
  have an. Open stop, right?
• 41:28
  Yeah. Because they felt sorry for her.
• 41:31
  It's like, well, no, but they had to because you can't.
• 41:33
  You can't. How do you open for Metallica?
• 41:35
  You can't. Ozzy had to kick him off the
• 41:37
  tour because they were out on their master of puppet.
• 41:40
  I don't think he kicked him off. He just never invited him back.
• 41:43
  But even Ozzy said, you know, how the fuck do you follow that?
• 41:47
  Yeah, so you can't. No.
• 41:50
  So squirrel moment, I get a text right before the show.
• 41:53
  I thought it was the artist that was supposed to be on her and
• 41:55
  they didn't show up. So this is the text I get.
• 41:58
  OK, see it. Yes, I can't.
• 42:02
  See, so it says hi. Is everything all right?
• 42:04
  And I, I assume because maybe they didn't get the link or
• 42:07
  something, right. I'm like, who's this?
• 42:09
  Hi, I'm Candace. We might have met before.
• 42:12
  Do you Remember Me? I reply.
• 42:15
  We didn't buy. What does Candace do?
• 42:18
  She sends me a picture and ask, isn't this Andy's number?
• 42:24
  No. Now, if I were you because.
• 42:28
  Yeah, tell me what to say. I'm a little frisky, and yeah, I
• 42:31
  don't have anybody else here to keep me entertained.
• 42:33
  I'd be like, oh, yeah, this is Andy, what can I do for you?
• 42:36
  Yeah, but you don't need that kind of stress in your life.
• 42:40
  No, I'm going to send them your number.
• 42:41
  What's your number? No.
• 42:43
  Don't do that anyone 7 O 38 Whoops 867-5309 See what she
• 42:54
  says to that stupid people man. OK so the reason why I brought
• 42:59
  up the whole Counting Crows thing, Mr. Jones as I said is
• 43:04
  about wanting to become a rock star in a in an era where you
• 43:07
  were supposed to be anti rock star.
• 43:09
  So three years, I mean, really, they went from from nothing to
• 43:14
  the fact that some of the band members told their jobs, hey,
• 43:16
  I'm going to be back in four months.
• 43:17
  I'm going to record this. I'll maybe do a little bit of
• 43:19
  tour. I'm coming back in four months.
• 43:21
  So save my office, save my job, you know, and then three years
• 43:24
  later, right. Yeah, nobody.
• 43:26
  Expects that to happen. Nobody, nobody, no, nobody at
• 43:31
  all. Like they just this is not what
• 43:34
  they thought would happen. They went overseas in fact, and
• 43:36
  came back from overseas and Adam went out.
• 43:39
  I forget where he was at to go for a walk on and it literally
• 43:43
  he got mobbed it. I mean, you would think you
• 43:46
  would think John Lennon walked in this Times Square and
• 43:49
  everybody saw John Lennon and wants to just.
• 43:51
  Oh, during that time period, the Counting Crows were the biggest
• 43:54
  band on the planet. Right.
• 43:56
  He got chased down. He went to a movie theater.
• 43:58
  Some guy came in the movie theater.
• 43:59
  It was empty. Some guy came movie theater and
• 44:01
  sat next to him. He's like kind of sit here.
• 44:02
  And I was like, you know, man, I'm just trying, just trying to
• 44:05
  be me, man. I'm just trying to get sit back
• 44:06
  and watch the movie. So the guy's like, OK, OK, He
• 44:09
  leaves. About 20 minutes later, the
• 44:11
  usher comes in. He's like, hey, I just want to
• 44:13
  let you know, guys been on the phone for about 30 minutes
• 44:16
  calling everybody he knows. And there's about 2-3 hundred
• 44:19
  people out front. And Adam's like, fun, kidding
• 44:22
  me. He's like, look, there's a way
• 44:23
  to get out right here to go out the back.
• 44:25
  And so Adam gets up, sneaks out the back, starts walking.
• 44:30
  And he says a couple minutes in the walk, he hears the ushers
• 44:33
  screaming run. He turns out to look and shit
• 44:35
  you not, there's a crowd of people like like, like The
• 44:38
  Beatles just invaded the United States chasing Adam Durant to
• 44:41
  his hotel. I'm like, what the fucking world
• 44:44
  do we live in? Even back then even.
• 44:46
  Funny you present that scenario because a couple times in the
• 44:51
  last three weeks the Live at the Ritz Guns and Roses performance
• 44:55
  has come up in conversations that I've had with different
• 44:57
  people. So I went back and watched it,
• 45:00
  and my first thought was exactly what you're just describing.
• 45:04
  I'm looking at those guys on that stage and they're playing
• 45:07
  the Ritz, For the people that don't know, is a nightclub in
• 45:10
  New York City. And MTV filmed Guns and Roses
• 45:13
  there and I believe 1987 or 1988, right around the time
• 45:18
  Appetite was coming out, right? And the people are right next to
• 45:22
  the stage and Axel's giving them, you know, slapping them
• 45:25
  high 5. And to your point, in about 6 or
• 45:30
  8 months, they're not going to be able to go anywhere without
• 45:33
  bodyguards. And that was my first thought.
• 45:34
  You're not going to be able to stand on a stage like that, that
• 45:36
  close to people in about 8 months.
• 45:38
  And you don't know that yet. No, you don't.
• 45:41
  That's one of the best performances by them in the
• 45:43
  history of Guns and Roses. If you haven't seen it, go to
• 45:47
  the Google machine and type in Guns and Roses Live at the Ritz.
• 45:51
  It's a life changing performance.
• 45:52
  It's just it. And, and yeah, so, so when
• 45:56
  recovering satellites come out, he he, he writes a song called
• 45:59
  Have You Seen Me Lately? And the, and the the irony of
• 46:02
  the song, because people don't, most people don't listen to
• 46:05
  lyrics like I do. Like I'm lyrically driven, of
• 46:07
  course, because there's a story. You're telling a story.
• 46:11
  And the cool thing about Have You Seen Me lately is legit get
• 46:15
  away from me. Just get away from me.
• 46:18
  This ain't going to be easy. But I don't need you, believe
• 46:20
  me. This is his reaction to the
• 46:23
  three years of absolute utter chaos where he couldn't walk to
• 46:26
  a corner store without being bothered.
• 46:28
  Now, granted, he's a white dude with dreadlocks.
• 46:32
  That's part of the problem because he sticks out like sore
• 46:34
  thumb. Yeah, you got a piece of me, but
• 46:37
  it's just a little piece of me. And I don't need anyone.
• 46:40
  And these days, I feel like I'm fading away, like sometimes when
• 46:44
  I hear myself on the radio. Have you seen me lately?
• 46:46
  Have you seen me lately? Because I was out on the radio
• 46:50
  starting to change somewhere in America is starting to rain.
• 46:53
  Could you tell me one thing you remember about me and have you
• 46:56
  seen me lately? So the, the, the really cool
• 47:00
  thing about a book ends it. So you have you have Mr. Jones
• 47:07
  was just all about becoming these superstars.
• 47:09
  Everybody wants to be a superstar, right?
• 47:11
  And then you have, have you seen me lately, which is the polar
• 47:15
  opposite. Like look, look what's look
• 47:17
  what's happened to me by becoming a superstar.
• 47:20
  And it's a date. They've, I think they have 12
• 47:22
  albums. So August sold 7 million
• 47:26
  recovering satellites till 2 million.
• 47:27
  The rest of the catalog with those two albums combined have
• 47:30
  only done 25,000,000. So they really hit the gate with
• 47:34
  August and everything after and just kind of went down and just,
• 47:37
  you know, they called a sophomore slump even though 2
• 47:40
  minute records, 2 minute records, but they they never hit
• 47:43
  that same success with August and everything after, which,
• 47:45
  let's face it, most artists don't.
• 47:47
  Well, it's funny that. So here's another parallel
• 47:50
  subject that I was talking about with the guy I was training at
• 47:53
  work on Wednesday, the 2nd Candle Box album, when Mike from
• 47:58
  Monkey House said, you know, when he was talking to Kevin
• 48:00
  Martin and Kevin Martin was like, I hate that album, right?
• 48:04
  That bothered me ever since because I want to get to the
• 48:06
  root of what could it be. And I think that's it.
• 48:10
  I think that they had so much time to make that debut album
• 48:15
  perfect. And it is fucking perfect that I
• 48:19
  almost venture to guess that they were rushed to do that
• 48:22
  second album and in my opinion it's a banger, but the
• 48:27
  production quality is not nearly as good as the first album so
• 48:31
  it's almost like it was rushed. Well, The funny thing about
• 48:34
  about the production. So when they did their EP.
• 48:38
  Do you agree with that statement though?
• 48:39
  That the production quality. Is.
• 48:41
  Absolutely. The audio, when you're listening
• 48:43
  to it, it's just not as good. It's not it's different and it's
• 48:46
  it's different for lots of different reasons, right?
• 48:50
  You as like, like Nemesis, right.
• 48:52
  We had enough original material. We probably had 30 songs.
• 48:55
  So we could have we could have filled three albums easy.
• 48:58
  Then they all would have been if if the 30.
• 49:00
  Good songs. Right.
• 49:02
  So if the right, so if the debut would have been successful, then
• 49:04
  the sophomore and the follow up to that would have been just as
• 49:07
  successful on some level because the contents was the same, the
• 49:11
  music was the same, the style was the same lyrically.
• 49:14
  They were these were songs I wrote, you know, my entire life.
• 49:17
  So it wasn't like I was I was going to be lacking for.
• 49:20
  Material we were, and rowing man we went from freeman to
• 49:23
  intervention divine. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
• 49:27
  And that's why that's what I'm saying.
• 49:28
  But it was all thirty of our songs could have totally been
• 49:31
  spread out over over three albums and they all could have
• 49:33
  stood that test of time, right? They it wasn't we wouldn't have
• 49:37
  had a sophomore slump. That's what I'm getting at.
• 49:38
  I mean, I don't know that, but I'm just.
• 49:40
  But I think in their case their songs were equally as good if
• 49:44
  not better, but they didn't get showcased sonically the way they
• 49:48
  should have. Well, he changed.
• 49:50
  He in the documentary talks about it.
• 49:51
  He completely changed recovering the satellites.
• 49:56
  He wanted to be more in your face, hard driving rock'n'roll.
• 50:00
  He didn't want to be the folk pop rock that August was.
• 50:04
  OK. So when they did the EP for
• 50:06
  August and everything after, it was in Charlie's home studio.
• 50:10
  The EP sounded like a full-fledged recorded album
• 50:14
  according to the label and stuff like, so they had to get him in
• 50:16
  the studio. Now when we get you in the
• 50:18
  studio, this is where Adam comes into play with his weirdness.
• 50:21
  All of a sudden he decided everybody had to change what
• 50:23
  they did. So Charlie, you're not.
• 50:25
  Or whoever maybe was, I forget Dan, Dan's his keyboards.
• 50:28
  Dan, you're not playing synthesizers anymore.
• 50:30
  You're just playing this and that.
• 50:31
  You're just playing piano, organ.
• 50:32
  We're going to dumb it down. You're not going to use a
• 50:34
  fretless bait anymore, fretless fretless bass anymore.
• 50:38
  You're going to buy this one and use it.
• 50:39
  You're not going to play that guitar.
• 50:41
  You're going to play this guitar.
• 50:42
  So Adam completely took control over everything and he didn't
• 50:45
  know how to explain it. So in August and everything
• 50:47
  after it was grueling in the studio because all of a sudden
• 50:51
  he went from you made this really cool EP with friends in
• 50:54
  a, in, in somebody's home studio.
• 50:56
  Now you're at this label and you you have to make debut album
• 51:01
  that sounds like an EP1 of the exact words of the of the
• 51:03
  producer. And all of a sudden your
• 51:06
  bandmates walk in. Or like when the fall of a
• 51:08
  sudden Chris is like, here's how I want my song to sound when
• 51:13
  everything before that was it's our.
• 51:15
  Band perfect. Yeah, exactly.
• 51:18
  So it would be. Horrible.
• 51:20
  Right. So then you have three years of
• 51:21
  massive success and then he comes.
• 51:23
  So he spends a year, a year and a half working in the Viper Room
• 51:26
  and living a different life. Like he went to Kate Moss's 25th
• 51:29
  birthday party and he's like, I'm in a room with every single
• 51:32
  top supermodel at the time. Oh, by the way, there's Tom
• 51:35
  Petty. Oh, by the way, there's Johnny
• 51:37
  Depp. And all these people are just
• 51:38
  hanging out and just being their peers.
• 51:42
  There's their successful peers, but there's no, hey, you're that
• 51:46
  guy from Counting Crows, right there was just you're getting an
• 51:50
  amstelight from a bartender. So he lives this whole new life.
• 51:55
  And so he was super happy. Beginning of the documentary, he
• 51:58
  talks about the fact how he looked in the mirror and he
• 52:00
  didn't he didn't like who he saw.
• 52:01
  He didn't understand who he saw. He it wasn't himself looking
• 52:05
  back at him like really weird, fucked up shit.
• 52:09
  So during the August and everything after adventure at
• 52:12
  1:00 morning, he wakes up before they hit it big and you'll
• 52:15
  relate to this. He felt like he was on acid,
• 52:19
  like he just woke up and actually, no, he drank a glass
• 52:21
  of water. He drank an entire glass of
• 52:23
  water and put the glass down, and then all of a sudden he felt
• 52:26
  like it was on acid. Adam Durst doesn't do drugs.
• 52:28
  He barely drinks. His mental health issues, but he
• 52:33
  felt like he was on acid. That lasted for a year and a
• 52:36
  half before he realized. I have to figure out how to get
• 52:40
  my mind right because there's something wrong with me.
• 52:43
  I don't remember what the diagnosis is, but it's insane.
• 52:46
  So he struggled with that during those first three years.
• 52:49
  And then the disassociated personality.
• 52:51
  Part of it is why he ended up being the barter in the Viper
• 52:55
  Room because Johnny Depp and the other owner of the Viper Room
• 52:57
  invited them. Hey, come over, we got your room
• 52:59
  at the Bellagio behind or whatever the bell or I don't
• 53:02
  fuck whatever the hotel was behind the Viper Room.
• 53:04
  They're like, get out of the house that you're in, sneak out,
• 53:06
  come here. We got your room.
• 53:07
  You can just come hang out with us And and that's what he did.
• 53:12
  I honestly feel that's what happened to Chris Cornell, too.
• 53:14
  That's a very parallel story. Yeah.
• 53:16
  You take a person with mental health issues, and then you drop
• 53:20
  them into fame where they're under a microscope and a
• 53:25
  spotlight every day of their life.
• 53:26
  Yeah. And neither one of those guys,
• 53:29
  for the longest time, it sounds like, even knew they had a
• 53:32
  mental health problem. Right?
• 53:34
  Right. They were just like, man, I'm
• 53:35
  struggling through life, and I don't know why.
• 53:38
  Luckily for Adam he figured it out and Chris did later on too,
• 53:42
  but I think he was abusing the fuck out of those
• 53:45
  antidepressants from what his girlfriend was saying at the
• 53:48
  time. Her wife.
• 53:49
  I don't know if he was married. I know we I know we had a
• 53:52
  significant other and he had kids.
• 53:54
  But I think fame compounded upon that mental health problem is
• 53:58
  just you're talking like a TNT explosion.
• 54:02
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 54:03
  And that's what you just described, from what he
• 54:05
  described in the documentary is yeah, like, yeah, I'm living a
• 54:09
  parody of myself everyday. I have to be this person that
• 54:12
  I'd never wanted to be in the first place.
• 54:14
  Right. And that's, that's where the
• 54:16
  dreadlocks came in, because then he started going dreadlocks and
• 54:18
  he says he finally felt like himself.
• 54:20
  He was like for 27 years. I ran with that.
• 54:22
  And then now he's got this chick in his life and she's the one
• 54:25
  she like said she was on the camera.
• 54:26
  She's like, you know, I, I, I love your smile, I love your
• 54:30
  eyes, but I have to move. I got to move the dreadlocks
• 54:32
  away to see the face. She's like, you know, and people
• 54:35
  like Nikki hates the fact that he doesn't have dreads anymore.
• 54:38
  Like just hates it like because that's.
• 54:41
  You just said it, 27 years. Yeah, that's what we saw from
• 54:46
  Adam. Yeah, that's the look.
• 54:48
  Hold on one second. Absolutely.
• 54:53
  We're holding on one second, folks.
• 54:55
  So this would be a good time to tell you if you're not
• 54:57
  subscribed to the YouTube channel, go out and subscribe to
• 54:59
  the YouTube channel because it's awesome.
• 55:01
  So I've seen Kind of Crows because that's Nikki's favorite
• 55:04
  band probably 10 times so. I've only seen them once but
• 55:08
  they were great. That's us in the front row and
• 55:11
  shit you not Adam, that's Nikki's back of her head.
• 55:16
  That entire song, Adam was basically singing and pointing
• 55:19
  to her. So at one point in time, I, I, I
• 55:20
  finally just pulled my camera out and made a video.
• 55:23
  And then I, I screenshot this from the video.
• 55:25
  That's a great picture because it was just, I mean, it was, it
• 55:28
  was fucking cool, man. He's just And if you've never
• 55:31
  seen the Counting Crows, what's cool about them?
• 55:33
  Number one, don't expect it to sound like the album, which is
• 55:35
  frustrating, but he tells stories.
• 55:39
  He explains the stories behind. The songs that part of the show.
• 55:41
  So, and he still does that. So if you, if you truly embrace
• 55:45
  the storytelling aspect of of music, depending on his mood,
• 55:49
  depending on where he's at in his cycle, because it varies.
• 55:51
  We've seen we've seen shows where he's just fucking out
• 55:54
  there perfect. Like a spot on amazing.
• 55:56
  Wow. And we've seen shows like, yeah,
• 55:59
  OK, he was having a bad day. The one thing that disappoints
• 56:03
  me about them a little bit is I put them in the same category as
• 56:07
  Mellencamp. If you saw Mellencamp back when
• 56:10
  you and I did. Yep.
• 56:12
  He was still kicking ass and full of piss and vinegar.
• 56:16
  And then he decided he was an artist, right?
• 56:19
  And things go wrong when people realize that they're actually an
• 56:21
  artist. Which is why I've never, Simply
• 56:26
  put, I stay humble, right? Yeah.
• 56:28
  I'm thankful that I can do what I can do and that when I play my
• 56:32
  instrument, people seem to appreciate it.
• 56:34
  I'm I always just stop there because things go horribly
• 56:38
  wrong. And to your point, that's when
• 56:40
  you start reinterpreting your song to the point where it's not
• 56:44
  so much fun for the audience, right?
• 56:46
  Right. I've talked all kind of.
• 56:49
  People out of going to see Mellencamp because I'm like, I
• 56:53
  know what you expect. You expect what you and I
• 56:56
  experienced. Right, you're not.
• 56:58
  You're not getting any. Right now, no.
• 57:00
  No, he's too. He, he went, he went the wrong
• 57:02
  way. He's just.
• 57:05
  He's just. That's a great.
• 57:07
  Way of playing. He's not.
• 57:08
  He's just, I mean, and he's gone.
• 57:10
  The wrong way, John. He and I love Mellencamp.
• 57:13
  I mean by all means, I mean one of I just love the man and he's.
• 57:16
  An American treasure. He.
• 57:18
  Is but he knows it but. He just, he, he ruined it.
• 57:22
  He ruined it. It's kind of like Bruce
• 57:24
  Springsteen. You don't fucking produce, thank
• 57:26
  you and get behind a movie about yourself while you're still
• 57:29
  alive. Like, can you be any more of a
• 57:31
  narcissist #1 There's three people off.
• 57:33
  The top of my head real quick. Sorry, right?
• 57:36
  Springsteen Mellencamp. I'm going to really piss people
• 57:41
  off. Fucking Bob Dylan.
• 57:43
  Yep. Yep, we know you're great.
• 57:46
  You shut the fuck. Up.
• 57:48
  You don't need it, right? You don't need a movie about you
• 57:50
  while you're alive to know you're great.
• 57:52
  Thank you. You just don't like, you know,
• 57:55
  there's a reason why the doors didn't come out till decades
• 57:58
  after Morrison died. And we are in no way dissing on
• 58:01
  their music. I love the boss.
• 58:03
  Not at all. He became the boss for a reason.
• 58:05
  I love Bob Dylan, he's one of the greatest songwriters in the
• 58:08
  history of the world. Hate his voice?
• 58:11
  Hate his voice, but he's in the basement.
• 58:13
  Don't get the medicine. Hit it.
• 58:14
  Hit it right, Yeah. You don't.
• 58:17
  You don't get to say you are a living legend.
• 58:22
  That's not how it. Works.
• 58:24
  It does not work that way. I get to tell.
• 58:25
  You that way, right, right. There's a difference between
• 58:29
  behind the scene documentaries like the Counting Crows just
• 58:32
  did. Because it's not saying we're
• 58:35
  the shit, It's saying this is an awareness part of it.
• 58:39
  Understand mental illness. Understand what happens when you
• 58:42
  reach this level of fame. Understand these.
• 58:43
  Different things. I didn't look.
• 58:45
  At that as self, right, I didn't look at that self something as
• 58:47
  all when you 2 came out with Rattle and Hum.
• 58:49
  There's a lot of backlash with that because you're like
• 58:51
  everybody's like who the fuck are you?
• 58:53
  Right? But Rattle and Hum captured the
• 58:57
  height of their fame and their draw and their power as as as a
• 59:02
  music, as musicians well, here's and took them to a whole new
• 59:05
  level. Here's a good simple analogy.
• 59:09
  If I say that you're one of the best singers that I ever graced
• 59:14
  a stage with, everybody's like, which is true, man, that dude's
• 59:17
  awesome. But if you come on here every
• 59:20
  week and say I was one of the greatest singers that you ever
• 59:25
  got to play with, now you're a douchebag, right?
• 59:27
  It's that's. True, Mike.
• 59:28
  That's true Mike. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:31
  You should really just thank me every.
• 59:32
  Day I don't wake up. Mike, you actually are the best
• 59:36
  singer that I ever graced the stage with by a landslide.
• 59:39
  Well, and and and. I can, I want here and say that
• 59:42
  I'm the best guitar player that you ever got to play.
• 59:45
  Hey, man, you're lucky you got to play with me for 10 years,
• 59:48
  you know? I but actually I am lucky that I
• 59:50
  got to play with you and and I will say not to boost play
• 59:55
  massage he goes. But really, I mean, I did get to
• 59:58
  play on stage with Ray Stone, right, But that was that was one
• 1:00:01
  song and Ray was a great guitar player.
• 1:00:03
  But Ray helps you become a great guitar player.
• 1:00:06
  Ray, I'm one of the greatest guitar players I ever got to
• 1:00:09
  play with too. And and Charles, I have to be
• 1:00:14
  careful higher word this. Charles in the last band I was
• 1:00:18
  ever in, he was a very good instrumentalist.
• 1:00:25
  And that's where I'll leave that.
• 1:00:26
  He wasn't a great guitar player. He thought he was.
• 1:00:30
  He was a great composer. He thought he was and he was
• 1:00:35
  never humble. He was very egotistical.
• 1:00:37
  He thought he was Eddie Van Halen and he was not anywhere
• 1:00:40
  close to him. The reason why that band kind of
• 1:00:44
  worked was because of Josh and Jesse and we all kind of
• 1:00:48
  tolerated him. And you right, Everybody has to
• 1:00:53
  tolerate me because I'm a singer.
• 1:00:54
  So the difference between every band I've been in a Nemesis was
• 1:00:59
  what we've talked about many, many times.
• 1:01:01
  It was the collective. We were naive, we were young, we
• 1:01:05
  were stupid. We didn't know what to expect.
• 1:01:09
  We knew we loved the music. We knew we loved writing music,
• 1:01:12
  we knew we loved playing music. We knew we loved being in front
• 1:01:14
  of of people and sharing that love and passion.
• 1:01:18
  And it was a very slow rise locally, so we could enjoy it,
• 1:01:24
  right? It was embraced where's I think
• 1:01:27
  some bands like Counting Crows. I would say the smartest thing
• 1:01:31
  you needed, the smartest thing that we did, whether it was
• 1:01:36
  consciously or unconsciously, is we were smart enough to know we
• 1:01:39
  needed each other. Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  The last scenario that you described, I like to call those
• 1:01:46
  people, they have the potential to be great at a lot of things,
• 1:01:50
  right? Yeah, but they're in their own
• 1:01:52
  way. So you have the potential to be
• 1:01:55
  great at a lot of things, but you're never going to be that
• 1:01:58
  way because you don't realize what we realized, either
• 1:02:02
  consciously or unconsciously, that I'm not the singer.
• 1:02:05
  So I can't just keep being a Dick to you or you're going to
• 1:02:09
  lead, Right. Right.
• 1:02:10
  We had to figure out how to work together as a unit even when we
• 1:02:14
  were not pissed at each other. But when tensions would get high
• 1:02:18
  and that would happen when you sit and play the same song 25
• 1:02:21
  times in a row and it's still not right, tensions are going to
• 1:02:24
  get a little testy, right? Yep, exactly.
• 1:02:27
  It's just human nature, but we were smart enough to never cross
• 1:02:31
  that boundary of right, pissing someone off to the point where
• 1:02:35
  they're going to leave. Right, Nikki says.
• 1:02:37
  Rick did describe the scenario where Scott made him cry one
• 1:02:40
  time, but I had forgotten about that until he brought that up.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah, yeah. We didn't know.
• 1:02:48
  What was that back then, if you, I don't know if you heard me or
• 1:02:51
  not, but Nikki says hi. She asked what I was.
• 1:02:53
  Doing tell Nikki I said hi. And and, and I took a screenshot
• 1:02:55
  of us and that's what you're doing.
• 1:02:58
  So this Candace story, OK, the Candace person that that
• 1:03:03
  messaged me right earlier. In the show yes update.
• 1:03:07
  I gave her Andy's number which seven?
• 1:03:10
  938-675-3099 she says. I'm so sorry.
• 1:03:16
  Your number looks a lot like Andy's.
• 1:03:19
  I accidentally saved the wrong number.
• 1:03:22
  I hope I didn't upset you. This is the best response for
• 1:03:25
  those of you that get spammed like this because it shuts them
• 1:03:27
  up right now. Well, I'm only 12 years old.
• 1:03:32
  I'll show this to my mom. She'll call you if she needs to.
• 1:03:38
  Candace is no longer bothering me.
• 1:03:43
  So because I've tried, I've tried the approach that I go
• 1:03:47
  across. No, this isn't Annie.
• 1:03:48
  This is. This is Stacy, you know?
• 1:03:50
  Yeah, it doesn't work. I'm a lesbian.
• 1:03:52
  And then they still go on that tangent.
• 1:03:55
  I've I've gone, I've gone immediately.
• 1:03:57
  Married not interested. Oh, we can just go for coffee.
• 1:04:01
  No married not interested. Well, we can just do this.
• 1:04:05
  I said, OK, can my wife come along and we can have a
• 1:04:06
  three-way? And then, and then they tell me
• 1:04:08
  I'm gross, but it's like you're reaching out to me.
• 1:04:12
  There's there's there's there's something behind some random
• 1:04:15
  check. You know, with all the weirdos
• 1:04:17
  out there, you're lucky that somebody didn't call your bluff.
• 1:04:20
  Right. This is a scam, right?
• 1:04:23
  This is a scam, OK. And and so for the people that
• 1:04:26
  that think that's legit, it's not.
• 1:04:28
  So I always just respond that way.
• 1:04:30
  I had somebody had somebody the other day.
• 1:04:34
  The first thing on the text was this, Chris.
• 1:04:37
  And I'm like, I'm always like, that depends.
• 1:04:40
  Because how do you respond to that?
• 1:04:42
  Well, here's another public service announcement.
• 1:04:44
  If somebody ever calls you on the phone and asks you, hey, is
• 1:04:50
  this Chris? They're looking for you to say
• 1:04:53
  yes. They want to record your voice
• 1:04:55
  and then they will use your voice to go buy shit online.
• 1:04:59
  So if you ever do pick up a spam call and it's a yes or no
• 1:05:03
  question, answer it differently. Do not use the words yes or no.
• 1:05:07
  Why we're on that topic, Zoom right now, there's there's a
• 1:05:10
  scam going on with Zoom, especially in in industries
• 1:05:15
  where you can connect via Zoom. Like I can call somebody,
• 1:05:17
  somebody can call me up or e-mail me.
• 1:05:19
  Hey, I want to buy a house. OK, Can I zoom you?
• 1:05:21
  Great. Let's Zoom.
• 1:05:22
  Sure. What they're doing now is they
• 1:05:25
  are screen recording the zoom call and what they do, I could
• 1:05:30
  totally do this. Right now they have a scheme.
• 1:05:32
  They have a thing called screen pal.
• 1:05:33
  OK, and I'm pulling up my screen pal right now.
• 1:05:35
  We'll see how this works and screen pal, I can record the
• 1:05:42
  show on my desktop. Why we're having a show and what
• 1:05:47
  these criminals are doing, it's counting down right now.
• 1:05:51
  What these criminals are doing is they're taking me on a Zoom
• 1:05:54
  call and they're they're recording my face, my voice,
• 1:05:58
  audio, visual. And because AI is what it is,
• 1:06:02
  they're going to now take this and download it to an app.
• 1:06:05
  And then all of a sudden they can start using my exact
• 1:06:08
  likeness, my exact voice. I'm really helping you, blah,
• 1:06:11
  blah, blah. I want you to come along and do
• 1:06:13
  whatever it is you want to do with me.
• 1:06:14
  So I just recorded, I don't know how many seconds of this.
• 1:06:18
  I'll throw this up on the on our Facebook page so you can check
• 1:06:21
  it out. It's, it's pretty crazy, man.
• 1:06:23
  That's crazy, man. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:25
  So if you don't want to have been.
• 1:06:27
  Heard of? That's a good one, right?
• 1:06:29
  So if you're in an. Industry, boys and girls.
• 1:06:32
  That people can reach out to you via Zoom.
• 1:06:37
  Hey, I want to zoom you type thing, you know, because I do it
• 1:06:41
  all the time. People, people reach out to me
• 1:06:42
  all the time, wanting wanting to buy a house and and you know, I,
• 1:06:45
  I begin able to I'm I'm kind of used to seeing the scams,
• 1:06:50
  especially when they want to do WhatsApp, right.
• 1:06:52
  Somebody sends me a message. Oh, I prefer to talk on
• 1:06:54
  WhatsApp. Fuck you.
• 1:06:55
  I'm not calling you on WhatsApp. What are they looking to do on
• 1:06:58
  that? Because I'm not from they want
• 1:06:59
  to buy a house they they. Want to buy a house?
• 1:07:01
  I got one like I I got 1. Earlier this morning that, but
• 1:07:04
  what's the reason for you not wanting to use the WhatsApp
• 1:07:07
  feature? What?
• 1:07:07
  Because WhatsApp scammers? What WhatsApp?
• 1:07:10
  Is a it's a secret. It's a every it's, it's, it's
• 1:07:15
  what the fuck is it? It's, it's shady, right?
• 1:07:18
  It's Slim Shady. It's like, it's like you can't
• 1:07:20
  see it. It's it's it's firewalled.
• 1:07:24
  I don't know how it's explained like a super firewall, like you
• 1:07:26
  can't, you can't nobody can, can, can read WhatsApp.
• 1:07:30
  You can't read the the it's all secured like encrypted, you
• 1:07:34
  know? Yeah, there you go.
• 1:07:36
  Something to that effect where? You just can't.
• 1:07:37
  You're not getting. You're not going to really know
• 1:07:41
  who you're talking to, right? Right.
• 1:07:43
  So when, When, when? People reach out to me like
• 1:07:46
  that. I call bullshit.
• 1:07:47
  So I had this guy this morning e-mail Chris right?
• 1:07:51
  I need property at Arizona Comma AZ and I got your contact on
• 1:07:57
  Zillow Realty and I think we can work together.
• 1:08:00
  I'd love to get the more details and possibly schedule time to
• 1:08:03
  view any any on the property you send and that suits me.
• 1:08:08
  And also could you please share more information and let me know
• 1:08:13
  the next steps. Thank you.
• 1:08:14
  Hummer. Hummer.
• 1:08:16
  Hummer. Hummer Simpson.
• 1:08:19
  OK, Hummer. Simpsons.
• 1:08:21
  Plural. So I sent in this this.
• 1:08:26
  This. E-mail that basically summarizes
• 1:08:29
  the home buying process blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:08:33
  What today worked him to set you up on a Google meet?
• 1:08:36
  There it is right there because I asked him certain things he's
• 1:08:40
  like thank you for getting back to me so quickly.
• 1:08:41
  I'd really like to schedule time to see property if we find one
• 1:08:44
  because I have none in mind at the moment.
• 1:08:48
  What's why I contacted you. Could you let me know what times
• 1:08:50
  you're available this weekend before you proceed exchanging
• 1:08:53
  documents With my pre approval? I like to have a quick Google
• 1:08:56
  meet call to properly connect and establish that I I it
• 1:09:01
  doesn't need to be long. So right there, that's the scam.
• 1:09:04
  So you get inundated with real estate.
• 1:09:07
  Fake scams like you and I get inundated with We want to
• 1:09:10
  promote your podcast every day, right, right, right which every
• 1:09:14
  time some kind of scam. Yep, and every time.
• 1:09:16
  That somebody says they want to promote the podcast.
• 1:09:19
  I said why don't you do promote it?
• 1:09:20
  You obviously found us. Yeah, that's my favorite
• 1:09:23
  comeback when you started. Doing the first time I saw that,
• 1:09:27
  I shit you not, I laugh my ass off.
• 1:09:29
  I just kept chuckling. I'm like, that's a great.
• 1:09:31
  I'm like, I'm like, obviously the SEO content works because
• 1:09:33
  you found me. Like you cannot deny that
• 1:09:36
  question. You can't.
• 1:09:38
  Like it's just it's impossible. Like, well, you didn't even
• 1:09:41
  elaborate that time. That's what made me laugh.
• 1:09:43
  So much the whole statement. Ladies and gentlemen, when you
• 1:09:46
  saw the e-mail was you found us. Period.
• 1:09:49
  And he left it at that. It was like a mic drop moment.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  It's just it's, it's mind bogging that people, people.
• 1:09:57
  Actually think we're that stupid.
• 1:09:59
  We had another one today in the in the Christian Mike show
• 1:10:01
  Gmail. Another 1 today as as I was
• 1:10:04
  waiting for as I was waiting for the the the the artist or the
• 1:10:09
  label that was supposed to be on.
• 1:10:11
  So if you remember, I should give her a shout out.
• 1:10:13
  There's one that comes to me. About every quarter.
• 1:10:16
  And she's not asking for anything.
• 1:10:18
  She does provide a service, but she gives you where you rank for
• 1:10:22
  all the keywords. I think her name is Andrea
• 1:10:24
  Rossi, if I remember right. OK.
• 1:10:27
  But there's no pressure at all. So Andrea.
• 1:10:30
  I know her first name is Andrea. Thank you for being
• 1:10:32
  professional. Yeah, and it is cool to see
• 1:10:35
  where you rank. For all your different.
• 1:10:37
  Keywords It truly is humorous we're.
• 1:10:42
  Number one. So we must be funny, right?
• 1:10:45
  I just learned that that. I can upload from screen pal
• 1:10:51
  straight to YouTube and kind of like we can with Riverside.
• 1:10:53
  We can upload the Riverside and and that's pretty legit.
• 1:10:56
  Where the hell is this thing man?
• 1:10:57
  I just recorded it. Where'd it go?
• 1:11:02
  Where did it go man? I lost it Mike.
• 1:11:06
  That does happen. Why?
• 1:11:07
  I can go back into the program, but I didn't want.
• 1:11:09
  To go back to the program I just wanted.
• 1:11:10
  To. That's why I download everything
• 1:11:12
  to my desktop and then, well, it usually downloads.
• 1:11:14
  To my. It usually does download to my
• 1:11:16
  desktop. I don't know why.
• 1:11:16
  I didn't save video, I'm still that guy too.
• 1:11:21
  Just throw it on the desktop, I'll figure out.
• 1:11:23
  Where it goes later, yeah, but I want to show you.
• 1:11:27
  Because it's it's pretty neat how it how it it, it, it takes
• 1:11:32
  what's on the screen. It's called screen pal.
• 1:11:33
  It's free. I do a lot of with work with.
• 1:11:38
  You know. When somebody's when somebody's
• 1:11:42
  wanting to learn how to, you know, sign documents or
• 1:11:44
  something, I'll do a screen pal tutorial.
• 1:11:46
  Hey, this is how you do this you're going to get this and
• 1:11:48
  just, you know, go ahead and and there it is.
• 1:11:53
  Would you stop screen pal, like screen pal just wants to take
• 1:11:55
  over, man. So I'm going to put this oh,
• 1:11:58
  what what what that's not what I meant come on stupid thing.
• 1:12:04
  It's hard to multitask photo yes, please download That's
• 1:12:10
  funny you mentioned that word yesterday I just.
• 1:12:13
  Read that. They have proven scientifically
• 1:12:16
  that you know when someone says they're good at multitasking.
• 1:12:19
  Yeah, no one's good at multitasking.
• 1:12:22
  It actually lowers. Your IQ.
• 1:12:23
  The more tasks that you add at the same time, your IQ actually
• 1:12:27
  drops because your brain has to assign different projects to
• 1:12:33
  each individual tasks that you're doing.
• 1:12:37
  See. See Chris, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:12:40
  Chris. Has got so many tasks going on
• 1:12:43
  that his brain has literally stopped so that I put it on I
• 1:12:47
  put it on our. On our Facebook page, that
• 1:12:49
  little snippet of of insight there.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, I want to check that out. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 1:12:55
  It's it's pretty cool that that, that it definitely can.
• 1:13:02
  It's freaky. So don't, don't, don't jump on
• 1:13:05
  Zoom calls or Google meets with people that you don't know.
• 1:13:09
  You know, vet them fully prior to because, you know, and just
• 1:13:15
  for the record, there is no gold in Nigeria.
• 1:13:18
  No there's not, and there's no Prince of Nubu that needs your
• 1:13:21
  your. Money, OK, let me rephrase that.
• 1:13:24
  There is gold in Nigeria, but. Nobody's trying to give it to
• 1:13:27
  you. No, no.
• 1:13:29
  And Candace is not real. So when you get spammed with
• 1:13:33
  with women and even and for you females, if you get scammed with
• 1:13:37
  men, that's the best thing is, is just to tell them that you're
• 1:13:41
  12 and you're going to give this to your mom and your mom's going
• 1:13:45
  to call. If I could talk like a female, I
• 1:13:46
  would totally call that number and act like the mom and I would
• 1:13:48
  have lit Candace up. Yeah, I can't, but I can't.
• 1:13:51
  I can't call as a father because he's.
• 1:13:52
  Oh, you're dominant, aren't you? Hey, baby, I've been a bad girl.
• 1:13:59
  Andy Andy's dad. I've been so naughty.
• 1:14:03
  Do you want to spank me? Andy's daddy?
• 1:14:10
  Kind of like on one of the last Beavis and.
• 1:14:12
  Butt heads, this chick comes strolling up to their house or
• 1:14:15
  she comes cruising up to their house in her car and she's like,
• 1:14:18
  can you guys help me find a my Airbnb?
• 1:14:20
  Butt Head says if you're looking for B&B, you came to the right
• 1:14:25
  place, baby. Give us some butt heads.
• 1:14:31
  Oh, shit, that's funny. All right, we're going to wrap
• 1:14:33
  this thing up. Hey, so this is this is Chris,
• 1:14:36
  this is Mike. Chris and Mike show.
• 1:14:37
  Thank you for joining us. If you're feeling a sad,
• 1:14:40
  suicidal, depressed, especially this time of year, because it
• 1:14:43
  just escalates because it's the holiday season and people start
• 1:14:45
  feeling alone or depressed, you're not alone.
• 1:14:49
  Find somebody to talk to. You can't find somebody to talk
• 1:14:51
  to you text 988. Somebody's there to talk you off
• 1:14:53
  that Cliff and, and, and make your, your mind kind of shift to
• 1:14:56
  a positive space. You're not alone.
• 1:15:00
  People do love you. Somebody will miss you.
• 1:15:01
  Will you will leave a hole in somebody's heart if you leave
• 1:15:03
  this world without permission, right?
• 1:15:06
  We all need permission. So don't do that.
• 1:15:08
  Poor Chris would only have half a show, right?
• 1:15:10
  Or Mike wouldn't even have a show.
• 1:15:11
  Because if I was. Dead Mike never would have
• 1:15:13
  thought of this, and I would have thought of it.
• 1:15:16
  I would have never carried through with it, right?
• 1:15:18
  So there you go. You got to have.
• 1:15:20
  You got to have the Ying and the Yang.
• 1:15:21
  To make the world go round so you are loved.
• 1:15:24
  You will be missed. So it's a crazy time of year.
• 1:15:26
  Text 988. It's your friend.
• 1:15:28
  Somebody's always there, somebody's always waiting to
• 1:15:30
  help you. And with that talk, be nice to
• 1:15:32
  the people that you're out. That are working yes, and
• 1:15:35
  because they're stressed out too yeah, you don't know you don't
• 1:15:38
  know what somebody's going through just be.
• 1:15:40
  Killed This is a rough time of year.
• 1:15:41
  That's a. That's a very valid.
• 1:15:43
  Point it is just open the door for somebody, smile at people
• 1:15:46
  when people are. When you're walking like every
• 1:15:48
  now and then you walk contact, you know, I, I, I get kind of it
• 1:15:54
  bothers you when you walk by somebody and their their heads
• 1:15:56
  down, You know, you see that a lot in the city.
• 1:15:59
  That's one thing that. Changed for me.
• 1:16:01
  When I move back to a. Small town, yeah, but I think a
• 1:16:03
  lot of it's just you're inundated with so many people
• 1:16:08
  that that. Becomes.
• 1:16:09
  Just kind of your way of life, you know?
• 1:16:12
  Yeah, but, and it does suck, you know, there was, there was.
• 1:16:16
  This is totally going to relate to this.
• 1:16:17
  So there's one. Thing that that a writer of on
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  the on the documentary for the Counting Crows.
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  Have you seen me lately? The the difference between
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  grunge and all the grunge music that was out because like,
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  right, you're watching hair metal and then overnight it's
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  it's grunge. And then, you know, three months
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  later, all of a sudden Counting Crows shot, He's like, he's
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  like, when when you're watching MTV, you have Trent Razor doing
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  this, you know, like really, you know, struggling and heads down
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  and and the weight of the world's on her shoulders.
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  And he's like, and then you have Mr. Jones come out Joe's enemy.
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  He's he's up and he's happy and he's bouncing and he's lively
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  and the dreads are going. He's like, it was the complete
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  polar opposite of what we were fed forever.
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  And then here comes Counting Crows.
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  And it's just this light hearted.
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  I want to be a rock star. And there's nothing you do you
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  can do to prevent that. Same reason Hootie and the
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  blowfish took off during that time.
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  Uplifting. Positive.
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  Even if it wasn't positive, it felt uplifting, right?
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  Yeah. So.
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  Yeah. So go watch the documentary if
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  you like. Counting Crows, even if you're
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  just a fan of music and the art of making music, it it's on HBO
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  Max. Have you seen me lately?
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  It just came out last night. It's about an hour and a half.
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  It's a good watch. It's a little, it's gets slow a
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  little bit, but it's a really, it's a really good, sounds like
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  a good life story, which we yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Which? It is.
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  It's truly is. It's not.
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  It's a little atom centric because it has to be because I
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  didn't realize Adam was Counting Crows.
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  I didn't. I always.
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  That's what I learned through your discussion there.
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  Yeah, I always thought it. Was a band because me too comes
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  across. As a band.
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  But it's not. He is the driving force behind
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  that thing. It's just, you know, I don't
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  want to say it's his way or the highway.
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  But there's points in the documentary that the bandmates
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  are like, yeah, like they were going to like, like, when they
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  got on Rolling Stone, they offered to go on Rolling Stone.
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  Adam's like, I didn't want to do it.
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  But how do you say no? Like, you can't say no to that.
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  They were asked to play the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction
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  ceremony when they were nobodies.
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  He's like, who does that? And so he's they're playing the
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  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This was back when you didn't
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  have, it wasn't theater seating. It was tables.
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  Everybody's sitting around tables eating their food and
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  shit. Nobody stood up on there, right?
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  Right. Like you just, you know, dinner
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  and they'll dinner. In the show.
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  He's like, how do you say no to that?
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  You can't. You can't say no to that, and
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  you can't say no to being on the cover.
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  Rolling Stone and the and the Rock and roll Hall of Fame got
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  them on SNL, which got them on Rolling Stone, which got them 7
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  million album sales, three years non-stop touring.
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  And the other thing that we didn't talk about, but it does a
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  very good it has a very good insight to life on the road for
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  somebody, for a group of men who thought it was going to be 4
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  months when they talk about being on the road, it's it's OK.
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  Like Nikki is like, see, OK, it's OK.
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  But yeah, it's a good show, so check it out.
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  Until next time, boys and girls. Merry Christmas.
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  Happy New Year if we don't. Yeah, Merry Christmas to
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  everybody. Yeah, Happy Holidays is going to
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  drop. So.
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  But yeah, be kind. Open a door for somebody, say
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  hi, smile. You don't know what they're
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  struggling with. So be that person that gives
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  them a little jolt of, you know, sunshine.
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  Thanks for texting Candace. My mom's going to call you here
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  shortly. Made for good podcast talk so we
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  appreciate it. Love you all, love you brother.
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  Peace, Peace.