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An Old Fashioned Journalist Fight · I Think Less of You Podcast

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Also my microphone Hold on My microphone is on right now but if
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it dips down again
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you're gonna have to tell me because apparently the sound is
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really bad on our last
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episode because my microphone has decided it's haunted by a
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ghost and it turns
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itself up and down so Alright I'll let you know I'm not
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anywhere near smart enough
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SPEAKER_01: to figure out The um The
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I can't remember what I was going to say now we were discussing
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yeah there's
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Michael Tracy the I don't know how would you describe Michael
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Tracy to people who
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aren't online he is an incendiary center leftist he's bonkers
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he looks like a
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homeless man Ukraine really broke him a lot do you remember
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when Maxine Waters
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SPEAKER_00: punched him no that was great
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I'm gonna find the video you're gonna die okay you go off on
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your Hampton Inn no so
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Michael Tracy who I've described him he's one of these people
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who I think is
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batshit insane about 70% of the time I think he's nuts but
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there's about there's a
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SPEAKER_01: 30% of the time he's like spot on yeah where he like
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happens to be I think in the right and he when he gets on a
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specific topic he's one
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of these people who just like won't he's like a Rottweiler he
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won't let it go so
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when when he hits these things where I where I think that
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Michael Tracy is in the
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right I actually greatly enjoy watching him just delve into it
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and attack literally
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SPEAKER_01: everyone who is against him on it for days and days on end
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He actually went to Ukraine during a lot of the Ukraine stuff
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because he was like,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's as bad as everyone says and actually went to Ukraine.
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SPEAKER_01: So anyway, Michael Tracy, this weird internet journalist gadfly.
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SPEAKER_00: He's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: We're not endorsing him.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no.
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SPEAKER_01: But he went to the Substack party.
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SPEAKER_00: Because he has a huge Substack.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's big on Substack.
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SPEAKER_00: He was invited.
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SPEAKER_00: He's big on Substack.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's very big on Substack.
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And he's been on Substack way longer than all the people that
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work in that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's one of the OGs on Substack.
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And I think,
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honestly,
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I think that a lot of this is,
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I think,
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because Stephen Miller,
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Red
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SPEAKER_01: I Think Less of You
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They Were Foundational To Substack And Made Most Like They Are
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Journalistic People
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Who More Or Less Incepted Themselves Through Substack And They
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Are Unhappy That
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Substack Is Now Let's Be Honest Fame Chasing Talk About This
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Story But Then Let's Go
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Back To That Because I Think That's Really Interesting So He
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Was At TheSubstack
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SPEAKER_01: Party In D.C.
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SPEAKER_01: He
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brought a what I believe is an online fight into it with some
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woman I don't
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actually know who she is she seems to have been a prominent
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prominent liberal
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SPEAKER_00: female Julie Brown I think her name was Julie K.
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Brown I don't know anything about her She's big on like her
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Substack is mostly
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writing about like Epstein list stuff which Tracy also writes a
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lot about Epstein
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SPEAKER_00: list stuff and there it was a personal fight between the two of them
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: so he,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: he,
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SPEAKER_01: because,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: cards on the table,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure he's pretty badly autistic.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a person online, we all are, but he definitely is.
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SPEAKER_01: He just,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: showed up and went up to her and started to,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: try to initiate the debate they've been having online in person,
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SPEAKER_01: and she,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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Michael Tracy is not a threatening looking man no one no one
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but no he he is very
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unassuming he is not a svelte person no um but you could not
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come up with a more
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unassuming looking man yeah um you tried like so he just looks
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like Jim Acosta
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SPEAKER_00: apparently in the corner and you
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Jim Acosta formerly of CNN I think shows up and he comes in
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white knighting and
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tells Michael Tracy like you know you back off buddy or else
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we're gonna have a
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problem we're gonna take it outside and Michael Tracy says okay
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let's go outside so
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this didn't happen I guess Jim Acosta like you know backed off
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but Michael Tracy
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SPEAKER_01: then
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Michael Chase has been on the internet demanding that Jim
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Acosta fight him.
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SPEAKER_00: Because Jim Acosta did start saying, I will fight you.
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SPEAKER_01: Because Jim Acosta said, you and me are going to fight.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's like, okay, let's fight.
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So he posted a picture of the front of the DC Hampton Inn where
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apparently...
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SPEAKER_01: Michael Tracy was staying here at the DC Hampton Inn and it just said,
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SPEAKER_01: it tags Jim Acosta saying,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm waiting for you out in front of the Hampton Inn,
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SPEAKER_01: Jim.
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Which Is Just Legendary And He's Been There's Lots Of Other
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People Have Like Was It
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Olivia Juliana The Bizarre Democrat Whatever The Hell She Is
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Posted She Like Jumped
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Into This And Posted A Thing Saying Like You Know About Trying
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To Again White
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Knight For This Julia Brown Woman Saying Like You Know Maybe
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You Could Pick On A
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SPEAKER_01: Person Your Own Size And He Said All Right Where Can I Meet You
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Like he's just out there spoiling for a fight with all these
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people keep keep like
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you know keyboard warrior threatening the man he keeps being
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like okay sure let's
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meet up so we can have this fight and I love it I I actually
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because Michael Tracy
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is someone I know enough about him he will show up he like you
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say he went to
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Ukraine to find out for himself you you threaten him online say
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I want to fight you
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he's gonna say okay I'll meet you wherever you want to meet and
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we'll have this
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SPEAKER_01: fight and I love that
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Also don't think he can fight anyone No I'm sure Jim Acosta I
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think would actually
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kick his butt Oh I'm pretty sure Olivia Julia like I don't
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actually believe pretty
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much any woman can beat any man in a fight like if they're
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actually trying I don't
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think that Michael Tracy is like capable of even trying also I
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did just text you
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the video of Maxine Waters shoving him I think that's part of
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it that I think he's
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SPEAKER_01: basically you know he's
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Brilliantly Demonstrating How All Talk All Of These People Are
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Online And That They
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Have No Willingness Or Interest To Actually Put Anything Behind
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Their Words And God
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Bless Them God Bless That Bizarre Man Michael Tracy He Is
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Definitely Willing To Do
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SPEAKER_00: That And I Respect That Sounds A Little Fancy But The Thing Is
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Don't I don't like Michael Tracy most of the time however I
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will give him credit
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that he does not he is someone who I disagree with massively
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and think he's a
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SPEAKER_01: bizarre and kind of creepy person but
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SPEAKER_01: He says and does what he believes.
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SPEAKER_01: Even when I vehemently disagree with a person,
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SPEAKER_01: if they're not clout chasing,
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if they're not saying and doing the thing that they think will
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get them the most
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SPEAKER_01: exposure,
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SPEAKER_01: the most people agreeing with them,
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SPEAKER_01: I respect that.
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SPEAKER_00: But not only that,
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SPEAKER_00: he is someone,
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SPEAKER_00: and this isn't me singing his praises,
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SPEAKER_00: although I do,
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SPEAKER_00: like I've followed him for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: I read a lot of stuff he writes.
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I actually keep up with him probably more than I should for
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someone I don't necessarily like.
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SPEAKER_00: But what I really appreciate about him,
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even though I often come to different conclusions from his work
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than he does,
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SPEAKER_00: he's willing to ask questions that other people won't.
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SPEAKER_00: So he is very, I would say, he says he's a centrist.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's very leftist.
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He's very leftist but he's not a part of the left like
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conglomerate he is willing
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to ask questions that people won't he's willing to explore
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topics that people won't
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he is very non-religious leftist if we'll say it that way I
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don't mean religious
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like going to church because we all know Democrats don't do
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that I'm kidding I'm
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SPEAKER_00: kidding um
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but I mean like the church of the left he does not comply with
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everyone else and I respect that
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SPEAKER_01: He's a pre-2000 leftist.
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SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know, hippy-dippy, weird leftist.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's a progressive,
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SPEAKER_01: and that's more and more the...
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SPEAKER_00: And yet I think he does believe a lot of progressive politics,
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SPEAKER_00: but he doesn't fall in line like the comrades do.
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can good faith share beliefs with progressives without yourself
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being progressive
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um that's uh you mean progressive in action not in ideals yeah
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maybe yeah I would
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agree with that in ideals I think he is progressive but like in
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action yeah um but
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um yeah so I don't I carry no truck from Michael Tracy
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particularly other than like
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SPEAKER_01: I
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SPEAKER_01: Similarly,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't try to be like Michael Tracy,
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but I similarly try to have my beliefs and believe them
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regardless of what sort of
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popularity those beliefs will accrue to me or disapprobation
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they will bring.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you like that?
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SPEAKER_01: Disapprobation?
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SPEAKER_01: I wanted to slip that in there.
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What I like is that this long side quest we have gone on is all
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about our love for
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SPEAKER_00: Hampton Inns.
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So this guy,
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people have started trying to dunk on Michael Tracy for staying
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at a Hampton Inn.
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They're like you know they're and it's just like you know dude
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because these are
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all extremely like extremely leftist progressives the type of
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people who are always
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talking about how like how much Republicans hate the common man
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and like you know
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SPEAKER_01: the Republicans are the rich out of touch and it's like
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SPEAKER_01: Most people stay at Hampton Inns.
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SPEAKER_01: Honestly, Hampton Inns is a pretty high end for a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, don't give me that look, Miss Corner Suite.
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Hampton Inns,
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Hilton Brands are a pretty,
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it's a premium brand in many parts of the country.
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SPEAKER_00: This is no shade to Hampton Inns.
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SPEAKER_00: I love Hampton Inns.
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SPEAKER_01: You just hate that, Hampton Inns.
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SPEAKER_00: I hate that at Hampton Inn.
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SPEAKER_00: No, that one in D.C., like, I don't like it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very loud.
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SPEAKER_00: It always feels dirty.
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SPEAKER_00: I've stayed at that Hampton Inn numerous times throughout my life.
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SPEAKER_00: I've stayed there many, many, many times.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't like that specific one.
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SPEAKER_00: I do like a Hampton Inn.
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SPEAKER_00: I also don't know that I would class it as high-end.
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SPEAKER_00: I would say it is a very reputable mid-range brand, like,
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I'm not saying DC high end I'm saying off of I-80 in Indiana
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rest stop area If
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SPEAKER_00: we're going off rest stop ones then I would say it's
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SPEAKER_00: the more illustrious of the rest stop type hotels.
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SPEAKER_00: It isn't a choice hotel.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not a premium hotel.
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SPEAKER_00: They are always very clean.
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SPEAKER_00: They are always very dependable.
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SPEAKER_00: If you get
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One That Is Brand New There Is Nothing Better In Life Than Like
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A Brand New Hampton
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Inn You Know You're Gonna Have A Good Night's Day Like I'm Not
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Dogging On Hampton
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Inns I Do Stay At A Lot Of Luxury Hotels I Do Stay At A Lot Of
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Really Cheap Funky
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SPEAKER_00: Hotels Like I Can Run The Gamut They Are A Reliable Economy Hotel
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I just think that Michael Tracy has never worked for Jim Acosta
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had a very long
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presumably lucrative career Tracy seems like he sleeps on some
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stoner he met at the
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like gas stations couch like he seems like the kind of
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journalist who's like I have
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the five shirts I own in a trash bag and I'm you know loading
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up into a van and
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I'll stay where I stay like he's say he because he is a
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traditional style reporter
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SPEAKER_01: type
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that's the modern concept of journalist I was talking to
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someone I was talking to
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Garrick or our mutual friend on the on the on the feed about
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this earlier that what
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we think of like journalists now is this very respectable
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profession of people who
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went to school to journalism school and they like you know that
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isn't what a
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reporter ever historically was a reporter was by and large a
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failed writer with a
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SPEAKER_01: serious drinking problem
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that I would say they were failed writers but the second part
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I'll definitely agree
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SPEAKER_00: with it was this ragtag like which is really funny because um
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Michael Tracy had a guy with him that was standing up for him
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and his name is
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escaping me he has a podcast he's out of Austin I have
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legitimately no idea if this
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man is 60 or if he's 20 the way he was talking I was like I was
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like wait he's
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older and then I was like no he's not he's young he has gray
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hair but like lots of
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SPEAKER_00: people have gray hair when they're younger yeah
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SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
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Is this like the last remaining surf bum 60-year-old who's a
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political podcaster or
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SPEAKER_00: is this a young guy who just...
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has this affectation of an older man no clue he was hilarious
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though he was like I
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thought this was like we're all Substack writers we're all these
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ragtag reporters
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we're bringing it back old school like the 70s I thought this
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was going to be the
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70s and I was like yeah it seems like we should go fight this
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seems like something
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SPEAKER_00: reporters used to do he was so so funny and he he has like
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a long stream that he put out where he was explaining exactly
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how the fight occurred.
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SPEAKER_00: Actually, we should clip some of that in.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there's a way that we can do screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Substack billed itself as being the old school journalist.
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If you were willing to put the work into it,
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you could self-fund yourself through
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Individual Subscriptions To Your Work On Substack And Do Real
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Journalism Outside Of
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The Corporate Journalism Echo Chamber Put In Some Elbow Grease
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And Get Yourself
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Dirty Doing The Real Stuff But I Tend To Agree With The
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Detractors ToSubstack
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SPEAKER_01: Current Direction That They Become Fame Whores
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that they have decided that their brand that because now
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they're with traditional
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outlets of journalism having major upheavals a lot of job cuts
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and whatnot there
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SPEAKER_01: are a lot of
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Notable names or once upon a time notable journalistic names
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who are out of work.
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SPEAKER_01: And Substack has said, hey, you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: Screw this hole.
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SPEAKER_01: We're going to be the,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: the up and coming Internet,
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SPEAKER_01: the up and coming generation of Internet journalists place.
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Could just be the refuse of the people from the eight from the
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90s and aughts place.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I found I found I didn't find the guy's video.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for it still.
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But Red Steez had a tweet that I'm going to read out because
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it's hilarious.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like laughing reading it.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, all right, fine, fine.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll go to the hotel parking lot and meet Michael Tracy.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he goes, he goes, how to fight Michael Tracy in a parking lot.
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Number one he's thick right short but stocky but also kind of
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baggy he wears
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oversized clothes so as a hockey player I would use that go for
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the jacket collar
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first pull it over to get him on the ground number two darkness
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is his ally don't
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let him go from under the parking lights or under cars he will
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vanish like Wayne
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Grow I don't know Wayne Grow Wayne Gretzky I think no no no no
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this it's spelled
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SPEAKER_00: differently I don't think so uh
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Something,
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number four,
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something,
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oh,
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there's no number three,
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but okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Number four, something I've noticed also, he's hairy.
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SPEAKER_00: Go for the chest hair grip and rip.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's actually effective.
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SPEAKER_00: Chest hair, neck hair, you see hair, just pull.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about long-term damage.
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SPEAKER_00: It will return with interest.
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SPEAKER_00: His body hair is very grippable.
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SPEAKER_00: Number five, he also wears glasses.
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SPEAKER_00: Get those off and it's over.
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SPEAKER_00: He really should look at LASIK.
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SPEAKER_00: Rich from him because he went through LASIK and had problems.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I digress.
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SPEAKER_01: Just with context, what I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Number six, be a sport.
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SPEAKER_00: If he lands in a puddle or something, let him get up.
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SPEAKER_00: Just be cool about things.
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Tell him it's all good and at least he can say it wasn't Jim
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Acosta kicking his ass.
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SPEAKER_01: No,
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it's been a delightful bit of internet drama watching it all
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play out But again,
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this morning I jumped in to defend the honor of Hampton Inn
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because it isn't my
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hotel of choice for family travel because it doesn't have
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multi-room suites It's
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not a pretentious thing I like having a separate bedroom so
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that my kids will then
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SPEAKER_01: go to sleep I don't have to go to bed when they do
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But Hampton Inn is a fine hotel Hilton in general I feel their
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quality has slipped
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SPEAKER_01: And I've more and more become more of a Marriott fan But,
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SPEAKER_01: you know
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SPEAKER_01: Well, okay.
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Yeah,
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I mean,
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I actually really like Marriott more just because I like Bonvoy
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properties more.
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And if I'm banking up points from places like that that I want
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to use on a really
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SPEAKER_00: bougie place,
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SPEAKER_00: my money goes further with Bonvoy.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say, though, the one thing I like about Hilton products is
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For any Hilton hotel that has connecting rooms you can book
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connecting rooms in
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SPEAKER_00: their app and they are the only hotel company that allows that.
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SPEAKER_00: Usually you have to call to book connecting rooms.
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I like that Hilton does it in the app so that your family can
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stay together.
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SPEAKER_01: That's huge for us.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no reason why every brand couldn't do that.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know why they don't.
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Well it's all their CRM but but you can have that like Hilton
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has it so especially
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in the age of AI like it can't be that hard to code and figure
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out like they should
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SPEAKER_00: be able to do this um
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I really love that I think it's great that you can have your
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family stay together
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that is a really big marketing I have long so I enjoy that
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Hilton does this however
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I think that more hotels should offer like a multi-room
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discount if you're doing
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that there have been a few times where I have been in a hotel
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that was basically
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SPEAKER_01: empty I knew the connecting room to my room was empty
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I don't like having to pay full price for both rooms I would be
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much more inclined
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to get two rooms if it was like get the connecting room for 50%
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off if available
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they would make money off a room they're not currently using
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I'm just saying should
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any hotel executives happen to ever listen to this I give you
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this idea for free
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SPEAKER_01: and you should do this
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SPEAKER_00: There's reasons they don't do that, that I won't get into right now.
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SPEAKER_01: Because they hate the consumer.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, there's some other, all this is a long dorky thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they should do that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I understand why they don't, but yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to mark this again.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to try here.
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I don't know if I share my screen if this is going to work but
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we're going to try
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it yeah on record he's interesting it was like six minutes and
22:26
it could have been
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like two that's what happens when a man goes that gray that
22:30
young they become
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timeless and ephemeral right like I have no idea how old he is
22:37
he's a pretty funny
22:38
guy what's his name you should give his name because we're
22:42
using his clip well I
22:44
SPEAKER_00: was going to link the clip in it
22:46
It's like Justin something I immediately tune out if someone's
22:51
name is Justin
22:51
SPEAKER_00: because that's my brother's name You know
22:57
Yeah He He was there with Michael Tracy He gives a full account
23:03
I'm gonna add the
23:04
link below If you wanna watch it Obviously there's a lot of
23:08
profanity He's like
23:10
definitely very drunk And he is a little rambly But he also has
23:15
video of the actual
23:16
altercation itself He was videoing Michael Tracy like during
23:21
this He doesn't have
23:23
SPEAKER_00: Acosta saying let's fight Which
23:26
It's Really A Shame I Would Have Loved To See That But Yeah I
23:32
Think It's Really
23:33
Interesting I Think It's Interesting That Substack Even Had The
23:36
Correspondents
23:37
Dinner I Tend To Echo Red Steez Stephen Miller's Account For
23:46
All Of This And His
23:47
Concern With The Way That Substack Is Trending Substack Started A
23:53
Few Years Ago I Was
23:54
SPEAKER_00: Actually
23:56
One of the early people that signed on to Substack,
23:59
but I didn't do anything with it.
24:01
I had meetings with them when they were first wooing people
24:05
over and they...
24:09
had offered me a deal to move like a bunch of my recipes and
24:13
stuff on toSubstack
24:14
instead of on my website and they were like oh you know we'll
24:17
pay and they were
24:18
going to help promote me and it just didn't make financial
24:22
sense to me because even
24:23
if they paid me like I'm not going to make up what I would lose
24:27
off banner ads like
24:28
SPEAKER_00: if people just go toSubstack
24:31
SPEAKER_00: and they can get my recipes there.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
24:33
SPEAKER_00: they would have to subscribe,
24:35
but I make a lot more money by putting it for free onto the
24:40
internet and then just
24:41
SPEAKER_00: having banner ads.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't go with that.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: But I've been on Substack for years and years,
24:49
SPEAKER_00: and I've been watching this kind of go...
24:53
As They Recruit More And More People Onto The Platform And Now
24:56
That We're Watching
24:57
SPEAKER_00: A Mass Exodus From Kind Of Left Wing Legacy Media
25:05
The people that are taking over on Substack are also the people
25:09
who really rallied
25:11
SPEAKER_00: to shut down any conservative voice on Twitter.
25:15
They were the people that were the kind of bullies in the room
25:21
who thought that
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Twitter was their toy and they wanted to keep all control of messaging.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: So it is concerning watching them
25:33
leave these legacy media establishments and head to Substack
25:37
because it's like,
25:38
SPEAKER_00: okay,
25:39
SPEAKER_00: right now everyone's getting along,
25:41
SPEAKER_00: but sooner are we going to be pushing platforms that,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:46
are we going to be pushing Michael Tracy off Substack because he
25:50
asks questions that
25:52
SPEAKER_00: are not okay?
25:53
Are we going to be pushing you and I off Substack because we
25:56
have like
25:59
know a hundred followers or something and they're like oh these
26:03
people are small
26:04
like they and they have dissident views like they're not okay
26:07
on it is Stephen
26:09
Miller going to be pushed off Substack because he doesn't play
26:13
nicely with the cool
26:14
kids table um it is concerning and it's it's concerning to see
26:19
because they started
26:20
off as the free speech app and this was the place that you were
26:23
supposed to go
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SPEAKER_00: where you could say things you couldn't say anywhere else.
26:29
And now all the people who kind of shut down dissent and really
26:36
want to control all
26:38
SPEAKER_00: information and all dialogue,
26:42
SPEAKER_00: it's concerning.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
26:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
26:44
SPEAKER_01: I think that Substack having their own—they clearly meant this as,
26:49
SPEAKER_01: like,
26:49
SPEAKER_01: you know,
26:50
SPEAKER_01: the new media White House correspondence dinner thing.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: I think that them having the party at all,
27:00
SPEAKER_01: given what they're supposed to be,
27:01
was somewhat distasteful because of the invite-only party for a
27:06
platform that
27:07
SPEAKER_01: is—it's meant to be—
27:09
SPEAKER_01: A place where people can,
27:11
SPEAKER_01: like a democratized voice where people can,
27:14
SPEAKER_01: and I think that you either,
27:16
it's one of those things where I think it would be appropriate
27:17
to either invite
27:18
SPEAKER_01: everyone who is on Substack or not have it.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think they did largely.
27:27
what it is saying is that and I think the concern that people
27:33
like Miller have
27:34
SPEAKER_01: which I think is justified is that they obviously are a company
27:42
They're a for-profit company They are going to be inclined to
27:47
make changes that are
27:50
most financially beneficial based on who is the biggest name
27:54
and who are the
27:55
SPEAKER_01: biggest money makers
27:57
that they have and if they get completely captured by people on
28:02
the left then
28:04
they're going to start radically making changes to appease them
28:06
to keep them on the
28:07
platform to keep them trying to leave because if you look at
28:10
Substack it isn't that
28:11
hard to replicate what they do they're basically they're
28:14
basically live journal
28:16
SPEAKER_01: from
28:19
SPEAKER_01: There are more bells and whistles and there's,
28:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure,
28:21
SPEAKER_01: different back-end stuff going on,
28:23
SPEAKER_01: but they are,
28:25
SPEAKER_01: in many respects,
28:26
SPEAKER_01: live journal from,
28:27
SPEAKER_01: like,
28:27
SPEAKER_01: the early 2000s.
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So,
28:30
to me,
28:31
it's their framework is their entire benefit and it's also
28:38
their biggest issue.
28:41
Being Set Up As A Social Media App Is How They Bundle All These
28:46
Writers Together So
28:48
That You Can Say You Have All Of The Voices This Is The Free
28:52
Speech Network Like
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You If You Set It Up As A Social Media App That'S The Way That
28:59
You Can Get The Most
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Eyes On The Most Voices Totally Understand That Also All Social
29:06
Media Apps
29:07
are beholden to algorithms,
29:10
are beholden to mob mentality,
29:12
are beholden to audience capture.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: And that is going to be Substack's downfall.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: Um...
29:22
The inherent nature of like algorithm and things goes against
29:27
being a free speech
29:28
platform like you you can have one you can have the other you
29:32
can't have both so
29:34
it's just going to be interesting to watch how they go with
29:37
this I know that you've
29:40
kind of joked about Red Steezers like being really stuck on
29:45
this I get it though
29:47
SPEAKER_00: and I'm really glad he is
29:49
SPEAKER_00: It's his livelihood, but it's also everyone else's livelihood.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: And it's also how we get so many issues out into the forefront.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Like,
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we can't have eccentric billionaires taking over every single
30:05
platform like Elon
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SPEAKER_00: did with Twitter.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he's watched this happen in real time.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: He's watched us happen on Twitter.
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SPEAKER_00: He's
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He's Watched People Be Shadowbanned Or Taken Off The Platform
30:20
And Then You Know
30:21
Move To A New Platform That He And People Like Michael Tracy
30:25
Helped Build Up These
30:28
I Would Really Say It Was Like Jesse Singal Too Like Blocked
30:31
And Reported Was The
30:32
First Big Big Thing On Substack And Now You Have Jim Acosta
30:38
Coming In And You Have
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Jennifer Rubin Coming In And They're Eating Up The Audience Share And
30:45
it's hard because it's like oh that's great they're bringing in
30:48
new users but one
30:49
SPEAKER_00: are they really bringing in new users is it all bots and two
30:56
They're just going to take over and won't let it be the free
31:00
speech platform anymore.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: So if you want to hear more about that, like I can't recommend.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: He has a podcast called The Versus Podcast.
31:09
It really spotlights on like media and the news more like their
31:15
reactions and how
31:17
SPEAKER_00: all of this plays out.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of his lane to be focusing on this.
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SPEAKER_00: It's called Versus Media.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: We can get a link.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
31:28
He doesn't do free I don't think He does like the first 10
31:31
minutes free you can
31:32
listen to which I don't I do pay I'm a subscriber I think it's
31:38
worthwhile If you're
31:40
into like the media and getting into some of the nuts and bolts
31:45
of that it's worth
31:47
a subscription The thing is with Substack I view it I do my what
31:52
audience I have I
31:53
SPEAKER_01: do not is not fromSubstack Yeah
31:57
So I more or less I think people who do things on other
32:02
platforms viewSubstack as a
32:06
place basically just a place to park longer form or different
32:10
form things that they
32:11
might do than on their prime like it's this stuff like this I
32:17
wouldn't ever think
32:18
SPEAKER_01: of doing on a on um
32:21
SPEAKER_01: on Twitter.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: No, like, I don't want to record a podcast on Twitter.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: No.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: Too many people will do weird things with it, and it's just not...
32:33
SPEAKER_01: The system isn't well built for it.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: It isn't well built for long articles.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: They keep trying to get people new articles.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: The whole article feature sucks, and they need to get off of it.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hate the article format.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: But I view Substack as being a place to bring my audience...
32:49
SPEAKER_01: to see something else that I have done.
32:52
I don't spend time surfing Substack looking for people doing it
32:57
as a social media
32:58
SPEAKER_01: thing.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: I've tried it.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really interest me.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like just the whole format of it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like a less useful form of Twitter.
33:09
Part of the reason it doesn't interest me is because it's all
33:12
these like the only
33:14
people they ever promote to you now are like Jim Acosta and
33:18
Jennifer Rubin.
33:19
Thanks No Thanks I Do Actually Really Like Taylor Lawrence's
33:24
Substack I Will Say She
33:28
She's Just Not My Favorite Person However She Is Actually A
33:35
Really Good Technology
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Reporter
33:38
SPEAKER_00: And she does,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't ever agree with anything that she says,
33:43
SPEAKER_00: but she does find really good,
33:45
SPEAKER_00: interesting breaking stories really quickly.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Luigi Mangione's biggest fan.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's stuff like that that I can't get behind, but her...
33:57
Her Substack Is Called User And Her Free Newsletter I'm Not
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Giving Her A Dime But I
34:04
Am A Free Subscriber To Hers She Does Find Interesting Like
34:09
Tech Angles I Don't
34:13
Care For Her Advocacy I Don't Care For How She Goes Through
34:17
Them I Don't Care For
34:19
The Conclusions That She Draws From These Tech Stories But She
34:24
Does Find Some
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting Stuff
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SPEAKER_01: I'm blocked by her I don't know why,
34:31
SPEAKER_01: literally for a gif as I recall,
34:33
SPEAKER_01: random gif,
34:33
SPEAKER_01: it was long,
34:34
SPEAKER_01: long ago
34:35
SPEAKER_00: I will say that that is me recommending her.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: That is her newsletter.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Her Twitter presence is very different.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't recommend for anything other than some really good laughs.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: She's a psychopath.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: Oh, a massive psychopath.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: And is somewhere around 80 years old, I believe.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:58
Okay this is a joke that came about because of the Ruthless
35:01
podcast and they were
35:03
like we have no idea how old she is much like I was just saying
35:07
with this this
35:08
other man this Justin guy who was with Michael Tracy she
35:13
similarly obfuscated
35:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: I can't pronounce things today.
35:22
She really tries to hide her life because she went to like a
35:28
Swiss boarding school for a year.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: She grew up in Connecticut.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Very wealthy.
35:33
Her uncle owns the Wayback Machine and scrubbed all record of
35:39
her from the internet.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: Everything to do with her has been scrubbed from the internet.
35:43
SPEAKER_00: She has actually been found to be your age Yeah,
35:48
SPEAKER_01: she's our age No,
35:49
she's specifically your age So she's a year younger than me So
35:53
every time we're
35:54
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:54
SPEAKER_00: she's the crypt keeper and she's a million years old I'm like,
35:58
SPEAKER_00: oh,
35:58
that means I'm even older I'm going to do it more now Now that
36:03
I know this fact,
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SPEAKER_01: now I'm going to double down
36:07
No but she acts like she's 85 and she dresses like she's 85 and
36:11
she hangs out with
36:12
older people so it's all She has some ill-defined health issue
36:18
that makes her have
36:19
to wear a mask at all times and demand that everyone around her
36:22
wear a mask even
36:23
though she goes to parties like the Substack party that she was
36:26
at she was the only
36:27
one wearing a mask but apparently whatever her
36:30
immunocompromisation that she has
36:33
SPEAKER_01: going on it's still a little
36:36
I Think She Probably She Probably Has an Immune Disorder Like
36:42
Rheumatoid Arthritis
36:43
Or Something And You Know And Is Saying It For That Which Okay
36:50
Same That Mask That
36:52
Mask I Haven't Worn A Mask No Like As Someone With Rheumatoid
36:57
Arthritis And Actual
36:59
Blood C Word I Don't Like To Say That Cause It's Like I Know I
37:04
Know I Know Sir
37:06
I know and it's like doesn't actually impact me all that much
37:09
except I make way too
37:10
many platelets um but again like okay I can speak from a place
37:16
of authority on this
37:17
I have had COVID like 40 times I think I am the world champion
37:23
of COVID I am
37:25
recovering from having another bout with COVID I can't get the
37:30
mRNA because I'm
37:31
SPEAKER_00: allergic to some stabilizer that they have in it um
37:36
But all of that to say,
37:38
like,
37:39
okay,
37:41
I'm similarly immunocompromised,
37:43
and it's just fine.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, it sucks.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: It sucks getting sick.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: If you want to wear a mask everywhere, knock yourself out.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: I really could care less.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Taylor Lorenz pops into conversation.
37:58
I just want to remind everyone that we're still in the middle
38:00
of a pandemic,
38:01
and we need to...
38:05
it's people like her who were mask freaks who forced me to have
38:10
to mask up after I
38:11
had no surgery during COVID like I'm leaving the hospital okay
38:17
if you've ever had
38:18
sinus surgery noses bleed like a lot and I'm like trying to
38:23
keep you know the
38:24
SPEAKER_00: bandaging under my nose like
38:27
All of This And They're Like You Have To Have A Mask On To Be
38:30
Transported Through
38:31
The Hospital And I'm Like I Just Had Sardis Surgery And They're
38:35
Like Mask On You
38:37
Have To It's The Policy It's Because Of Weirdos Like Her That I
38:41
Had To Like I'm
38:43
Just Holding It There I'm Like I Just Had This Part Of My Face
38:48
Operated On Are You
38:49
Kidding Me And They're Like Mask Up We Can't Walk You Through
38:52
The Hospital Can't
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SPEAKER_01: Stand It
38:57
SPEAKER_00: Can't Stand It
38:58
SPEAKER_01: No,
38:59
SPEAKER_01: that's Substack,
39:03
SPEAKER_01: there apparently are some,
39:05
SPEAKER_01: you sent me the other day,
39:06
there are competitors to Substack popping up who are looking to
39:12
do the same thing
39:13
SPEAKER_01: and saying that they're charging people less Yeah,
39:15
SPEAKER_00: there's one called Beehive.
39:16
I will say I'm actually really interested in it and we might
39:20
have to move to it at some point.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: Hooked around online looking for people talking about it.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: How they're set up
39:29
is controversial in the online community as far as I can tell
39:33
and how useful it is.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: The reason it interests me is because when you are on Substack,
39:42
SPEAKER_00: one,
39:43
SPEAKER_00: if you are following us here,
39:44
SPEAKER_00: please click the little,
39:47
SPEAKER_00: there's like a little button that says like share your email with.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: So when you sign up to follow us here,
39:57
We Don't Necessarily Get Any Of Your Information Unless You Opt
40:01
Into It Which Can
40:03
Be Harmful From The Creator Side Because Say We Are Kicked Off
40:10
OfSubstack I Don't
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Think We
40:12
ever going to publish anything that's going to be all that
40:14
controversial so we
40:16
shouldn't be but like what if you tweet out something that
40:21
pisses off the head of
40:22
Substack and we left we don't have access to the list we don't
40:26
have control over
40:27
that as a blogger like I have a list of my email list is like
40:34
35,000 something I
40:36
SPEAKER_00: don't know I prune it regularly but
40:39
But I have control over all those email addresses So if there
40:42
was something that
40:44
ever happened I could still connect with my followers And
40:49
people that have opted
40:53
into my content I will still be able to find them It's kind of
40:58
like when you go to
40:59
the same salon forever And your lady is leaving She sends you
41:04
an email to be like,
41:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm changing salons Otherwise you wouldn't know
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Certainly a relatable story for me.
41:13
I appreciate your gravity example that so well messes with my
41:16
own lived life experiences.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: You know what's hilarious?
41:20
I came up with that example because that happened to my husband
41:25
and he was bereft
41:27
that he could not find his girl anymore because he likes the
41:31
way this one lady does
41:33
SPEAKER_00: his hair.
41:34
and she changed salons and he was like distressed that he
41:37
didn't know where she
41:38
went and he's like well if I had her email I could follow her
41:41
to the new salon I
41:43
tracked down I figured out where she went because I my girl my
41:49
colorist used to
41:51
work at a place with her a long time ago and he was like I
41:54
can't go though it looks
41:56
SPEAKER_00: like I'm stalking her and I was like okay it's just business but
42:02
SPEAKER_01: A man gets his hair cut at a barber.
42:04
SPEAKER_01: They only offer barber services.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: There is a barber at the place where I live.
42:11
I've never partaken in this because I'm generally getting my
42:14
hair cut in the morning.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: They offer you booze as part of their thing.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: Would you like a whiskey while you're getting your hair cut?
42:25
SPEAKER_00: You say that like that doesn't happen at the salon.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: get champagne every time I get my hair colored.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: Champagne?
42:35
SPEAKER_01: I would prefer to have my hair cut by a...
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SPEAKER_01: Not elderly man, but an older gentleman.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: It's harder and harder to find.
42:43
I think the old-style men's barber has kind of,
42:48
at this point,
42:48
died off,
42:49
sadly.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: No, Luke would like that, too.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: But in our town,
42:52
SPEAKER_00: there's two barber shops,
42:55
SPEAKER_00: and they're kind of like,
42:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
42:57
SPEAKER_00: they're not necessarily his vibe.
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SPEAKER_00: He is going to them now.
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SPEAKER_00: But he...
43:04
He found one woman that could cut his hair really really well
43:08
and he loved how she
43:10
cut his hair he has like he has really really thick hair that
43:14
has a ton of texture
43:16
so he does have to be like really picky about who cuts his hair
43:19
because it can look
43:20
like crap when it's not done right so he liked going to the
43:24
same person over and
43:25
over and he's like I have it done like she knew exactly how he
43:30
wanted it it was
43:31
SPEAKER_00: like quick in and out
43:34
And Then She Moved Salons And Didn't Tell Him And He's Like I
43:38
Can't Go To Her Next
43:39
Salon It'll Look Like I'm Stalking Her I'm Like I Think She
43:43
Would Like Your
43:44
Business But Okay Whatever Having Loyalty To One Person Is
43:48
Normal No This Is Like
43:50
Very Autistic Of Him He's Like I Can't Get My Hair Cut It's Not
43:53
Sarah Okay Very
43:56
SPEAKER_01: Rain Man No
44:01
I love my husband more than anything but that is it was very
44:05
funny and now he just
44:07
works his way through haircuts he doesn't like at the
44:10
barbershops in town because
44:12
SPEAKER_00: he won't just sack up and go to the new salon that she is at
44:17
that I found because of my colorist but I need to uh I mean
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what he needs to do is
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he just needs to go to that salon and be like this is where
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you're working now I
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had no idea I've been trying to find a good hair ever since you
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left there I've
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been trying to find a good place to cut my hair so I've been
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trying to and I
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SPEAKER_01: happened upon the place that you're working this is wonderful
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yeah so problem is like it's Fort Collins and it's like she she
44:43
is more of a
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women's she just does a really really good men's haircut um and
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he's like he's like
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well I don't want to go to another girly salon and be like the
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only dude in there
44:57
SPEAKER_00: and be like I followed you to this place
44:59
SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, she does a great men's haircut.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: And men's haircuts are great.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: If you can do them, they're a lot harder to learn.
45:09
But if you can do them well,
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you want more male clients because they don't take as much
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time.
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SPEAKER_01: No, we're great.
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SPEAKER_01: We generally don't complain too much.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not worth as much.
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The kind of guy who goes to a salon to get his haircut probably
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does complain a lot
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SPEAKER_01: and then gets his nails done and a pedicure.
45:29
That Is Not Even Remotely True As Someone Who Has Gone To Those
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Salons My Whole
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Life The Men That Are In There It's Usually Like The Husband
45:38
And It's Like The Wife
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Asked Oh Do You Do Men's Haircuts And They're Like Yeah I Do
45:44
And Then It's The
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Husband Who Just Sticks With Them Forever Cause They're Like
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Okay She Knows My
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Haircut I'm In And Out It's Always Like The Gnarliest Butchest
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Dudes If A Guy Is In
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SPEAKER_01: A Salon Is
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SPEAKER_01: He's probably concerned about how his boyfriend likes the haircut, too.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: I am gonna let Luke know that you have said that,
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SPEAKER_00: because Luke prefers a salon haircut instead of a barber haircut,
46:10
SPEAKER_00: because he can ensure that it's the same woman every time.
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Yeah,
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like you said,
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you need a kind of crusty old dude behind the chair,
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minimalist place.
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SPEAKER_01: Take magazines, ideally, or ideally what are provided for reading.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't mind that my husband takes immense,
46:34
SPEAKER_00: like,
46:35
he takes a lot of pride in his appearance and he really cares
46:38
about his haircut.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm okay with it because my husband is hot.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: It's been a while since I've had a haircut, I'm going to be honest.
46:44
My hair is getting kind of long and I probably do need a
46:46
haircut and I need to trim my beard up.
46:49
I tend to just kind of go until I start to look vaguely like
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Robert Redford at the
46:53
SPEAKER_01: end of Jeremiah Johnson.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, all right.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: I guess it's time Coincidentally Luke's favorite movie Really?
47:03
Yeah I've never actually seen it I just know the meme Oh no
47:09
like I have had to
47:10
watch that awful movie so many times Jeremiah Johnson is the
47:15
reason I hate movies
47:17
and I've seen it so so many times it is my husband's all time
47:20
favorite you should
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SPEAKER_01: go watch it later Have you watched The Rock?
47:26
SPEAKER_00: Like
47:27
Alcatraz The Rock Yeah I posted earlier I watched it last night
47:31
I mean I haven't
47:32
seen it since it came out I hadn't seen it in a very long time
47:36
I was pondering
47:37
because I remember liking it a lot when I was young I was
47:40
pondering like can I
47:40
watch this with my kids and I cannot watch it with my kids
47:43
because I was watching
47:44
SPEAKER_01: the cable edit Oh My kids watch a lot of early mad stuff
47:53
But I was watching I posted I think that it is It would have
48:00
been a better movie If
48:01
it was not made by Michael Bay Because it's too exploding Too
48:05
many slow-mo scenes
48:08
Too 80s aesthetic But still a good movie I am not a movie
48:15
person I know this
48:17
SPEAKER_00: enrages you But
48:20
but also I'm not really an action movie person on that though I
48:25
fit it I referenced
48:26
I think last time or two two times ago that I was watching
48:29
Lioness finished
48:30
watching Lioness recommend good job the first Taylor Sheridan
48:33
show I've ever
48:34
SPEAKER_01: actually watched I tried to watch
48:35
Yellowstone but I didn't like the characters I've never heard
48:38
of Lioness it is on
48:39
Paramount Plus it is a good show it is very pro-American and is
48:44
very conservative
48:45
coded which is interesting I might say Taylor Sheridan
48:48
apparently is somewhat
48:49
difficult to pin down he's one of these people in Hollywood who
48:53
uh he won't he
48:54
SPEAKER_01: won't discuss his politics so I think we all know what that means but um
49:01
but Lioness it's a good show it is I would recommend it if
49:07
people have Paramount
49:08
SPEAKER_01: Plus people should check out Lioness did you ever watch my Paramount Plus
49:13
suggestion I mean it is reality but it was Casa Bonita Me More
49:18
oh yeah yeah my wife
49:19
and I watched that we liked it isn't it so good it was good it
49:22
was a very good
49:22
SPEAKER_01: movie
49:23
It's like actually the best documentary They do curse a lot in
49:28
it And it's mostly
49:29
the cook And I'm like okay lady I enjoyed it I decided I'm
49:34
going to start watching
49:35
Landman I know lots of people love Landman My parents love
49:39
Landman So I will see
49:43
Like I said I tried to watch Yellowstone When it first got big
49:47
And the characters
49:48
SPEAKER_01: just all seemed kind of awful to me And I didn't want to watch it anymore
49:52
I would say that I'm going to watch all these,
49:54
but my dance card is full right now.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: We are in the golden age of Bravo TV.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: I have a very, very full schedule at all times.
50:06
I'm going to lose the contact in the back of my eye if my eyes
50:09
keep rolling.
50:10
SPEAKER_00: Real Housewives of Rhode Island is the sleeper hit of the century.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: It is so, so good.
50:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:19
You and I have known each other a while now I'd say We're good
50:24
friends But I hate
50:26
you It's okay I know I'm your bestie It's fine Don't go crazy
50:38
You know what?
50:39
SPEAKER_00: It's okay It's okay to like
50:42
Different Things Than Your Friends You Know That I'm Not Nearly
50:46
The Idiot I Portray
50:48
Myself To Be But I Really Really Really Love Idiot TV That's
50:52
Okay That's Pure
50:54
That's TV Is Pure Escapism Some People Literally Just Want To
50:57
Shut Their Brain Off
50:58
SPEAKER_00: And I Appreciate That Well Not Only That But I Am Like You Have
51:02
now been with me like twice in the last year you see that I am
51:07
literally always
51:08
working and I always have my computer open I'm always rewriting
51:12
stuff on my website
51:13
I'm always like doing graphics for my website all this stuff so
51:17
and I've been doing
51:18
this for the last like over a decade of my life I'm constantly
51:22
working on this
51:24
stupid website that is all consuming and I'm ready to throw my
51:27
computer out the
51:28
SPEAKER_00: window so
51:30
SPEAKER_00: That to say, I don't really watch movies anymore.
51:34
I'm not really watching a lot of non-reality stuff because I
51:37
have stuff on in the
51:39
SPEAKER_00: background all the time.
51:40
Real Housewives is perfect to put on in the background while
51:44
I'm rewriting the SEO
51:46
SPEAKER_00: structure of a lobster post.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: It's perfect.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: I can get into it.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: I can feel like I'm a part of the world, but I'm still working.
51:56
There are various old shows that I've just watched innumerable
51:59
times with them on
52:00
the background that I do for this with New Girl Frasier Cheers
52:07
But I do Frasier too
52:08
Psych Oh Psych Psych is hard for me though because my kids like
52:14
Psych and we
52:15
haven't made it all the way through with them and anytime I
52:17
turn it on they end up
52:19
sitting there and then I end up closing my computer and we're
52:22
sitting watching
52:22
SPEAKER_00: Psych which is great Becomes a valuable family moment
52:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh,
52:26
SPEAKER_00: and we have so,
52:27
SPEAKER_00: well,
52:28
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
52:28
SPEAKER_00: my kids are homeschooled,
52:29
SPEAKER_00: though,
52:29
SPEAKER_00: so it's a little bit harder because at some point it's like,
52:32
SPEAKER_00: all right,
52:33
SPEAKER_00: we need to,
52:33
SPEAKER_00: like,
52:33
SPEAKER_00: be doing our work and schoolwork right now,
52:36
SPEAKER_00: not just screwing around watching Psych,
52:38
SPEAKER_00: which it would turn into,
52:40
SPEAKER_00: but we all love Psych.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: My kids really, really, really love it.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: My wife doesn't like Psych.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: Really?
52:45
SPEAKER_01: She doesn't like it.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: She's like Burton Custer?
52:50
SPEAKER_00: How does she not?
52:51
SPEAKER_01: She just doesn't like the show.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: She finds the characters obnoxious, I guess.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, James Roday is very obnoxious.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: And politically, he's even more obnoxious.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Fun fact, his dad is a very, very well-known Mexican soap star.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Didn't he...
53:09
SPEAKER_01: He was...
53:10
Married to the woman who played the female cop and then he
53:13
cheated on her or something.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Dating.
53:16
SPEAKER_01: They were never married.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: They dated for a long time.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: They had a couple of reunion movies.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: I remember apparently it was very awkward because they had had a very
53:26
SPEAKER_01: catastrophically bad breakup.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: But they were professional and they showed up for the movies.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: Maggie, I forget her last name.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't remember.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: This is why I can't watch a lot of movies and TV shows,
53:40
SPEAKER_00: because I get very into things,
53:43
SPEAKER_00: and I don't have enough space in my head.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: All right.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: Well,
53:48
SPEAKER_01: speaking of not a lot of space in our head,
53:49
SPEAKER_01: I think we have not a lot of space left in time,
53:51
SPEAKER_01: so I think we should call it a day.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: All right.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: Bye.