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#683 - Glasses Malone on Drake Allegedly Targeting YG, Kendrick, The Game, Akademiks, Tupac Trial & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Boulet cav Podcast bu Let Cavs Show Special guests in here.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: He's back, my brother jem alone, Welcome, Welcome, How is everything?
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: Glasses man? Shit, that's good.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: You have the Internet by the chokehold at the moment.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know how. I don't know how, I know how,
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: but I just don't think that's worth nothing.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: I want to so, I feel like you've become such
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: a prevalent personality over the last couple of years with
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of your insight on you know, what's been
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: going on in hip hop, and but I kind of
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: want to like go back to your beginning, like for
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: people who don't kind of understand why you're a thing.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Before people might have found you on Twitter or found
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: you on your podcast or found you on a stream.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Obviously you have a extensive career in the music industry.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: What year did you initially kind of, like, I guess,
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: would you say you kind of started taking the rap
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: shit serious?
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen?
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: That fuck out you said?
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Serious? Okay, Okay, serious, Okay. What year did you initially
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: decide I wasn't gonna sell drugs no more and take
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: rap in two thousand and three?
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Okay, two.
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Thousand and three, I knew that I realized that I
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: could make it in rap, in the rap business. I
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: knew I could create a business like I knew Sugar Night.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: You know. I knew that because Sugar Night, J Prince,
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: all of these dudes that came from my type of
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: background was successful, same type of guys, you know what
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: I mean. I knew that I could do it, Like
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: it was already laid out for me, right, So it
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: was a matter of just figuring out how to do it.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: So who was kind of your first co sign or
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: somebody who had already kind of made it in hip
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: hop that kind of like put their arm around you
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: and kind of not necessarily you don't even gotta be
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: somebody signed, you were managed. You just somebody who just
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: Doctor Dre.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dre became the first person that I knew in
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: the business that made me think that I would be Okay.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Damn, how did you how did somebody? How do you
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: link with Dre?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: What what is the moment My older brothers uh Hit
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: the mother of his kids, and Doctor Dre's sister Shamika
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: were best friends, Okay, and I was taking music serious,
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: like I gave up selling shime like I kind of
• 2:28
  Speaker 3: conceded that I didn't want to go to prison for
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: it anymore.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: Right, that was it. And one day he was just like,
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: hey man, you want to go to Doctor Dre House,
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: you know, for New Year's And I was like, yeah.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Shit crazy, Yeah, of course.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: I was like why not. But to be honest, I
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: didn't quite know what to think, because I don't when
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: I first got in the business, I wasn't looking for
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: a record deal, like I was like, oh no, I'm
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: gonna start my own. I was thinking death Role, you
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: wanted to start coming rap a lot ruthless. I was
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: thinking that I was trying to replace the the drug
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: spots that I had got away from. I was trying
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: to replace a business, that's all.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: So is that before after you end up putting out
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: White Lightning, like what is kind of for before? So
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: you end up kind of having this run where you
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: you were fucking with Black Wall Street.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: Kind of two thousand and four for us, Right.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of around like a little after the
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: three hundred bars are running there around the same four.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: So this is this is right before documentary, right before
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Certified Gangsters. Damn.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: So what ended up was you in Game connecting. Was
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: that just like he had an idea to do this label,
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: to do to his own version of what fifty was doing.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: So they already had it movement. Yeah, they was already
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: starting to do their thing in the streets with mixtapes,
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: and they was really much bigger in New York. But
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: Game's brother, Face is like a genius and people don't
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: talk about Face a lot of Faces like probably one
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: of the most savvious people I ever met in hip hop.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: He was on all the DVD's Game and he's a
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  Speaker 2: fucking genius.
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  Speaker 1: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: He's like a genius. But I met them through Fox
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: scent Rest in Peace Folk. Being from West Side pau
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  Speaker 2: he was the first guy I met from Black Wall
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  Speaker 2: Street when that was a thing. So he wanted me
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: to meet Face, and I already knew g Rod. G
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: Rod was like the ultimate hustler, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: used to have everything for sale. Its Cedar Blocks is
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: one of those games where you know who they are
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: and you know they are substantial people if they from there, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, but Face was like
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: this hip hop savant.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's unfortunate like they had that falling
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: out because it's like you always think like what could
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: have been Because there was so much momentu with Black
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: Wall Street, the brand. I felt like people were fucking
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: with it. And then it was like you were rock
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  Speaker 1: star Juice.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't even that was later. It was me Fox
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Scent Friday, I think b Fly was just coming up.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: His sister. Uh, Life was this little baby that just
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Life just walked over it. He was like this little kid,
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, like a high school kid. And yeah, it
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: was us, you know what I mean. And it was
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: all the streets. It was. It was some dope brothers,
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: you know, aar Recipes, Nate, you know, Fat Rat. Fat
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: Rat was like a jays He was super smart. Uh
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: all read. Mike was like this cultural phenomenon, Peanut. It
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: was just a bunch of really good dudes, you know
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: what I mean that It was like it was one
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: of the better experiences I ever had, you know, seeing buildings,
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: seeing seeing a movement being foundated.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Are you like around the sessions that turn into like
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: some of those like gun Not mixtapes.
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: Where Yeah, So that was that was after Remember this
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: is after the documentary that the documentary comes out gold
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: in the first week six hundred thousand roughly, and everything
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: is happening, and then uh, that started happening after at
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: the against the advisement of Doctor Dre and Jimmy Ivean.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: So I watched that happen in real time. I watched
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: him record three hundred bars, so you know what I
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: mean all day.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: I'm about to say, what's that session like, because that's.
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: All day he was just writing boars on the side
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: kid going back in there writing rapping, rapping all day.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: It was like all day and I was like, this
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: shit is crazy for him to just be rapping like this.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: And even the first gun I tape at Skis they
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: recorded that Ski spot and that was my first time
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: being off Melrose. Nobody from the East Side really you
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: just to go to Melrose back then, and I remember
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: we was just over there and he called me like, hey,
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: ge man, you want to get on this project? And
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what you got? He's like, man, I'm
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: this and fifty and I'm like, nah, I want to
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: get on that, bro because I don't know them niggas,
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And my homies like it'll
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: be serious, Like I felt like more responsible for my
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: homeboys and how protective they were of me at that time,
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: and what I would allow energy to go in their space.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: You know, you always got them homies who ain't triping,
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: but you do got homies. I got homies that really
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  Speaker 2: love me, Like you know what I mean. That's gonna
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: really push a line. So I had to be real
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: smart with how you use those resources and allow people
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: to put their life on the line for you. So
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: I remember telling me like, nah, I want this. Them
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: niggas like I don't know on Plus you know, in
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: my mind they looked out for you, so it makes
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: me feel like shit. He was like, well, shit, you
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: you got to get on this motherfucker he they saying,
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  Speaker 2: they saying came from the gu not take the only
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  Speaker 2: song where he wasn't this And.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: Did you ever try to like give your input on
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: them beefing at all? Like, hey, hey, are you sure
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: we would have do that we.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Could work out? Well, I don't think they really ever
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: had a fifty I understand why he was mad. Game
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: was just showing everybody that he can see so I
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: didn't really I wasn't logged on man, like I didn't
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: really see rap beef like that, you know what I mean, Like,
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: I'm still so close to gang banging. Shit is happening,
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, bullshit happening. So I'm not
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: even Man, it's old rap ass shit. You know what
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm not even I'm so busy trying to
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: get it together and finish what I'm building. You know
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying that I'm not even tripping off of it.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: You know, some niggas rapping against each other.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: Like that, How long do you think you say it
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: was an all day session for him to do three
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  Speaker 1: hundred bars around.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: It had to probably be about seven eight hours.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Man, such a legendary.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: He was walking out, niggas is chopping it up, and
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: they could be riding in his side kicking all that.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Then he walked back in there and wrapped some more
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: like he just was rapping it all day.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: You end up linking up with who banging cash money
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, obviously mac ten had banger
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: Ball and had his partnership with cash Money, So you
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: I guess you were the second West Coast guy to
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: come out through cash Money.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Probably the third because I think TQ was there.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they had the TQ album.
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: TQ from Compton was there. Yeah, Yeah, I forgot about
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  Speaker 2: t K my boy Jack from He's Coast. You know
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He wasn't a rapper, but he was.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Was mac ten kind of like the variable that kind
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: of brought music, yeah, over to the cash Money site.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: But initially it wasn't even gonna be with cash Money.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: Initially it was gonna be with Tom Walli that signed
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Tupac to inter score. Just the bad meeting kind of
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: ruined it. But they he ended up sending music over
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: to Stunner and Stunner just and Wayne and just thought
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: it was great. And you know, Jack told him what
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: type of dude I was and how I grew up
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: culturally and ship and they just fucked with that. Yeah,
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: they just thought it was great, you know what I'm saying.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: And Certified worked really well, the.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: Great record, great akon Hook.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and Tump on the beat, tomp is on
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: fire at the time, good doing all the TI Kanye
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: you know, can't tell me nothing like he was just
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: killing and it worked, doubt, but then it became everything else.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: And to be honest, I didn't know about making no
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: records and none of that shit, bro, Like I just was,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: I wasn't savvy on being a rapper, right, I just
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: knew how to run a business. I knew how to
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: conduct myself. I knew how to you know, get down.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But being a real record
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: maker and a rapper is a real special thing, you
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's not especially at a professional level.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: And it I ain't like just rapping bars, right, you
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, you better know something. If
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: your produc unless your producer know something, you better know something.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: Is that why you say you started taking a series
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Do you feel like you figured like
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: something click?
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: In terms of it took a long time man, two
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: thousand eleven of two thousand nineteen, just learning what hip
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: hop was.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: And you had a great run cause you had the situation.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: Sure I made a bunch of money, but no, like
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: it wasn't It was tortuous, you know what I mean,
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: because a lot of times I felt like I was
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: in a dark And and Birdman and Wayne and Cortez
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: and MacMahon and Slim and they you know, Universe, they
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: just did great. They was awesome. You know what I mean.
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: It was just certain things I didn't know, and that's
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: your responsibility as a record maker, unless it is like
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: for real or many Fresh Now Manny Fresh is there
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: looks a little different, right, Manny Fresh knows about records, right,
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: But man, it was like, uh it was it was.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: I had a great time. I learned so much, man,
• 11:31
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the interview. Well, I mean you
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: were able to put out like a bunch of I'm
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: sure a bunch of the records from that period after
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: you left, right, Like some of those records I'm sure
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: on beach cruises that ended up coming out on some noise.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Were any of those records like stuff that were like nah,
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: it was all new stuff. It was all new stuff.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: So the stuff with like I had put out a
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff with Wayne, stuff with Stunner, you know,
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: stuff with everybody from over there. It was just like
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that like making a record is a very
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: particular thing. It ain't like, uh, just making a song.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: It's like a magical thing and it's it's really hard
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: to explain, but it's like something you just know, and
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: you know, people are really scientific at it. The guys
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: are like for for Real or Swiss or Timlin or Dre.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: You know, it's definitely a producer slash DJ's game. And
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: I think the greatest mistake, you know, hip hop may
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: was actually trusting the rappers and not the DJ slash
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: producers first, because that's the band, that's the record, that's
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: the music. And I think I'm I'm a perfect example
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: of what happens when you get in the business and
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: you have a business mind, but you really don't know
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: what the record business is about. You know about you
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: know about business, but you don't know about records. So
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: you better have like I could make the business work
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: in my sleep. But then the record side is you know,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: it's first, that's it's the first word of record business.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like I think it like you had
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: that good that was a DJ head beat.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Sure, but that's when we started to So when I
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: first the first thing I learned twenty eleven, when I
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: kind of like people don't get while I walked away
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: from cash Money, it was like imagine being somewhere and
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: you felt like you a drain. Nobody treating you like
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: you're a drain on the economy, nobody giving you shit,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: nobody's saying nothing, but you realize the shit you're putting
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: out not connecting something you missing, but you know you
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, like you kinda they trying they best.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I swear to guy like that nigga trying his best,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: but it's like shit not lining up. So you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: it became like I need to figure this out. So
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: before I even like, I didn't just walk away like
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I wasn't not in my contract in twenty fifteen, but
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I was telling Stunning like y'all need to try some
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: stuff on my own.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Let me get this indie shit popping. Let me figure
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: some shit out, you know.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: And the first thing I learned, what I started learning
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: about was records and a bunch of research. You know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: tons of research, tons of research once head making head
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: of DJ ended up paying off real well because he
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: was the first person that explained BPMS to me. Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: and when I understood DPMs, it's sent me down like
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: a rabbit hole, like send me in a spiral and
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: then down a rabbit hole. And then I started realizing
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: how much samples mattered and how much stuff I thought
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: was like this original idea, and it was really like
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: this other idea and it just lasted for weeks. So
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: when I came back to the studio, I was like, Yo,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to make my first You're supposed to make
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: my record. And he was like, nig I'll know how
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: to make no beats. I'm like, yeah, but you just
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: played exactly your DJ and hip hop. He just looked
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: at me crazy, like I had to almost threaten to
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: hit him, like, bro, I'm telling you, historically the way
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: this thing worked, you supposed to make the record. And
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it ain't like you got to push every button, Nigga.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: We got a studio full of dudes who know how
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: the button's supposed to be pushed. Just tell them and
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: it's gonna work. And he had just thought I was crazy.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: He was like, man, I ain't. I'm like, trust me, bro,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Like this is how it worked because at this point
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I didne went back and studied, you know, everything that
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you could study, and I'm like, okay, yeah, Doctor Dre
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: is this person DJ you know, Eric Bee was Rock
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Kim's DJ, all these guys, you know what I mean,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: these were the DJs. And he just thought I was crazy.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: And the first beat he made was that good.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Crazy first you had that record and what was the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: record that? That album?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: But but he didn't make that, tom Tommy made that,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: But it's like the first beat he had made because
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I was staying true to hip hop. Became my first
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: gold record and probably my most classic West Coast raps.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Fire were you uh Nervous to redo the six in
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the Morning record? And obviously Ice t ends up on it,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: but like that's like one of those pivotal pillars of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: like gangster rap, fuck West Coast rap, just gangster rap.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Like you know what, I didn't even think about it
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: like that, bro, Like all I thought about was putting
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Ice T and Snoop together. I realized my whole life
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the two the god of gangster rap. If Ice Tea
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: is the god of gangster rap, Ice Cube is the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: holy spirited gangster Rap, and Snoop Dogg is the motherfucker
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Jesus against the Savior, you know what I'm saying. So
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I realized Ice Tea is Snoop never had a record,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: which is fucking and that became the whole purpose of
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: getting the record. Dumbs like y'all need to put these
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: two pillars of gangster rap on the same record. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I would have tried for Cube, but you know that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: was gonna be a whole nother Did you try? No? No,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I still no, But that would have been to me
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: putting together the trinity like of gangster rep. In my mind,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: what is uh?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I think I don't think we's talking enough about, uh,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: how important mac ten is and how you know, as
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: a CEO, as an A and R, as somebody who's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: just a real I mean, if you just look at
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: his his finger you know, his fingerprints and all the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: things that all the careers he's helped touch and all
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the things he's done, and like he's you know, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was lucky enough to interview him a couple years ago
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: because I feel like he's pretty elusive. He's out the way.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: He might pop up on the show here and there,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: but mac Ten's kind of out the way. But can
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you just speak to mac Ten and and his legacy
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and how just important he's kind of been to just
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: hip hop in general, bridging gaps. I think about the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Thicker than Water movie with him in Fat Joe and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: just there's just so much he did he's done over
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the years.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: As funny is that was supposed to be him and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Snoop really crazy, right, he was gonna do a deal
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: with Snoop. Oh I think we.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Might have talked about that. Yeah, oh yeah, he was
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: gonna sign Snoop to who bank?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It was gonna put out I'm called fuck de Bro
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And that would have created all kind of havoc. That's
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: why I say, man dog dog discernment is I know
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: God got his hand on that motherfucker, because you know
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: he didn't. And I but he does take the blessing
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: serious and he tries his best to be a decent person.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm glad things work out for him. Oh
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: but mac Ten is like this is the perfect eraror
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: for mak Ten.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Right now? Yeah? Because one thing that mac Tin is
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: really dope at is making sure what you see is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the part. He's like the best I ever met at that,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: like better than anybody. He knew how to make it
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: look the part. Now making records is not necessarily he
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: ain't no damn djil, no producer, But I'm talking about
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: culturally putting on a demonstration. He's the best. It's funny.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: He just put together Tudor brown Cadillac, right, and this
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: is Cadillac. It's like everything, oh em, it's rebuilt, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it's got all of the ninety euro shit. He had
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to wait years and years to find brand new head
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: likes that match because you know, they stopped making Cadillac parts,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: so he had to find you know, parts all over
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the world on shells and so it just looks like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: this brand new Cadillac, except it's not brand new. And
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the one Rick Ross low ride of the year car
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: show and motherfuckers was tripping and that one car ended
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: up being like his greatest marketing tool over the last
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: like five months. So this is to me like his
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: error where he was shine because it's more about what
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you see versus what you hear. Yeah, that's real, Like
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: when you see Mac Mac is Mac ten, you know
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: he right now, even as a as a as a,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: as a as an older statesman, He's still Mac ten,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: right like he just he just understand how to make
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: him and Richie rich they they the best at making
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: it looked the part.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Richie rich is one of the effortlessly coolest motherfuck's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: all the planet.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And that's Macan like that. Yeah, Richard rich came in here,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: was on a trillion. He won't even try him and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Magan is like that. They're like full aura, you know
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: what I mean, just animals. So but Mac is like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: one of the best at making it look the poor.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He understands marketing at this very visual level.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: All right, so fast forward. Uh you the last time
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I want to say you came on the show was
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: around the time you dropped what was before your album
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: came out?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it was before canceled.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were talking about the Tupac record. What
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the trial is finally happening for
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: his murder? Obviously you have the song that was Tupac
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Deserved to Die Tupac Must Die, which obviously was a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: perspective from the crips for people who are triggered.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: It was just apective of the well, the guys that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: got jumped, right, the guys who got jumped right, right right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So if you get jumped in a casino, Tupac must die.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That was kind of the angle was conceptual record But people.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Are stupid, yeah, well emotional.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Emotionally yes, they're emotionally true. Nonetheless, what are your thoughts
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: on just obviously I feel like this is one of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the this is probably the biggest example of someone going
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: on like a media run that results them being put
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in prison and you know, now facing a murder charge
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: for you know, the most important rapper ever possibly. What
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts just on on the fact that we're
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: finally getting a trial and just the whole kid angle,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And like, I've never seen somebody kind of like, I guess,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: like clout themselves into a cell in such.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: A very aggressive way. I mean, I hope the best
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: for Keith, you know. I mean I'm one of those
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: people that feel like when people play in the streets,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: it should be in the streets, right, you know what
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, So I really don't, you know, I hope
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the best for him. I definitely don't think, yeah, yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: my mom knew him. Cool dude though, But I don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: really you know, whatever it's gonna be is what it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be. But I don't think that him doing interviews
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: for entertainment should be used in a quarter law as
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: some kind of convictional piece or some like they shouldn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: be made a convicting because of some fucking interviews. That
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: shit just lame. But he did write a job, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a book. It's just entertainment, right, I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: so it's like, I don't know if that's wise for
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: us to start advocating for people's entertainment to create foot trails,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: because it I don't know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's like we're in this weird space where
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like there's like a whole side of whatever. Yeah, you're
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in the space now too for me, in side where
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, it's just content, everything is content.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't making no content.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And then and there's like the other side of it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, you gotta be very careful, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: then like you know, I feel like there is kind
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of if you're somebody who's got an interesting perspective on
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: anything historical and you're kind of watching. You know, Vlad
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: is very good at interviewing, like a security guard or
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like an engineer who was in the studio for this
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. You might be like, oh shit,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I got something to say. I was near it, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: let me he find the motherfucker so good at finding them.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: A fan of ambulance driving, Oh shit, god.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, it's it's been a great business model
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: for him obviously, But I think like if you're like
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a KEYPD, maybe you kind of see that kind of
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: shit and you're like, oh man, I got the real story,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Like I would like.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: To believe Keith was just hustling bullshit though, Yeah, I mean,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: we'll see, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I do think it's lame that they're
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: trying to use any level of entertainment to convict him
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: on Like that's probably not wise at all.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like, I think there's a fine line
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: between having proof kind of differentiating what was entertainment, what
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was sensationalized, and what was actually like provable.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Sure, and I think that they should still have to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: do it the correct way.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But I mean, look, we're in this new era man,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: where everybody's lyrics are getting used and it's kind of crazy,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a new normal.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, nah, I'm not fucking with
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that cause is I just need to see it work
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: on some white people. Get When I see it work
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on some white people, I'd be good. Yeah. I mean, listen,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Donald Trump is shit. It ain't working on
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: no white people.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, the Trump shit is is is
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: insane by the way it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Once I see it work on somebody else, like anything
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: work on black people here in America, like you could
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: do anything to them, and it's just gonna be good.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: The j Wick guy just got picked up for a murder.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he rapped about it. I think
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they just do. It was like a he shot somebody
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I went to call a murder. Maybe it ends up
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: being a man slaughter, But I don't know. If you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: know Jay wikes, no white dude got signed from Empire.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: They just picked him up for like a shooting.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Is that the kid in Saint Louis.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He had that song pork chopped sandwich.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Oh no, oh uh, everybody talk about make that be
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: there because he put hot sauce on the sandwich. Like, bro,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: every I hate when oh man.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You hate when white people get credit for something.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody does, oh man, he but boy, he put hot
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: sauce on the pork chop sound. Everybody puts hot sauce
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: on a pork chop.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Sound. But because he looks the way, it was.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Like, it's a white man. It's like, you know, if
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: a white man do anything, they'd be like, hey, he's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: just barbecue cookout man. But then that's sad for homie man.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: He looked like he had a promising thing going.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Talk to me man. Obviously, the last few years has
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: been like an amazing time to be I would say
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: from the West Coast in terms of like the Kendrick
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Drake thing has kind of resulted in like a lot
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of people getting flowers and kind of you know, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: feel like somebody like DJ Head, who is such a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: pivotal part of West Coast and LA culture and has
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: been like a hero for years here, I feel like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: finally nationally he started to get a lot of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: love and recognition that he deserves from outlets that might
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: not have given it to him before just because of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: how close of a source he was to the biggest
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: hip hop beef ever for you, you also have kind
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of come out of that specific conflict because of your insight,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: right and because of your proximity to the situation or
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to parties involved with a much larger profile and a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: lot more attention. How have you dealt with that? And
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it like it's kind of crazy like that beef. It's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: still kind of low key, still kind of rings off,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Like every couple of weeks, you know, there'll be a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: time where you'll be like, right now, we're kind of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in the middle of one of those situation suations.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Shit to me, it's just Thursday. I know that sounds crazy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I try to accept it. Make oh man, it's some
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: wonderful happening. It's like, bro, like this Thursday, like when
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you know, when I was just a regular gang member.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You know, when I would say something, it would mean something.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: If I did a business thing, if I if I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: gave you know, if I bagged up four hundred and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: fifty dollars off a pound of week instead eight fifty.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I was getting talked about so like God just designed
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it that way. My mind keeps me in some bullshit,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And my thoughts. The head
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: didn't mean the world to me, you know That's yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I love that nigga, so I want him to have
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: anything that he wants in his life. But I just
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: feel as odd sometimes I don't like it. What I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: don't like is that now any of my opinion attributed
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to a conversation is rooted in I don't like him.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Like when I first again, I was coming out of
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that whole sabbatical about learning hip hop from twenty eleven nineteen,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and I came here one of the first and earliest
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: places I've explained why Drake wasn't hip hop. You said it,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and you argued about it, right, and it was before
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the battle, and I'm like, it was way before that, yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, he's just not a street durban
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: culture and you could tell there's an infinity, and I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: fuck would do you could tell I grew I came
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in a say, through the same program as him, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a thousand different things. But ever since the battle was like, Okay, well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Kendrick is his boy.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So anything you say is rooted in that, even in
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: all the situations.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't like that part. I don't
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like my intellect to be played with, you know what
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, or to be emotionalized, like I'm saying this
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: because of emotion. Like, yeah, I'm biased, but that like
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to say somebody's not hip hop is not a slight
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: against them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that you and I kind
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of butt heads over that because I was like, yo,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like he makes hip hop music, Like he's a rapper
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a hip hop music Okay, he was, he makes rap music.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, sometimes correct, But I.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Think that when you and I better heads over the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I mean this was twenty twenty one or whatever it was.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You I at tapped you in the middle of in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the battle, and I was like, I.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Get it down because because there is something, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: what's fun. But what I realized keV over this whole
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: time because it's not really just simple. This is the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: only thing. Everybody just watered down. What do you mean,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like hip hop is nothing? Like you know what I mean,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It's nothing, Okay, Like imagine you went through an authentic
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Mexican food place and everybody there was just black and like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: just not to say niggas can't cook, I'm just saying
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: something would be missing.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: You'd be like I mean the food is good, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: something it's.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Not so I feel like and you would know it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: It would be really hard for you to take it
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: serious as authentic.
• 30:58
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• 31:07
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  Speaker 1: back to the podcast. And obviously his upbringing, despite his
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: father being from Memphis and being a black hole call brother. Uh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: he wasn't raised.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Culturally correct and nor was his proximity, which is fine
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: because it don't change that anybody can make rap music,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: like rapping is a style that was popularized by hip hop,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: like it even existed before hip hop. So even during
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the battle, that's the thing that I was betting on.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Bro, you're dealing with like a real cultural phenomenon,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Like I get he don't come across doc, comes across Hella,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: clean cut, you know pop and you know clean you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Oh he's good. Guys, Like, Bro, this dude is like
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: some ship.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Well I think we came out of twenty twenty four
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: just being like, oh, Kendrick's a psycho.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And That's what I've been saying this whole time. I'm like, Yo,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: y'all don't know this dude, Like he's a real yo.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I was. I was driving from fucking La to to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Phoenix and uh, I'm by Morongo Casino and this is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: fucking right after what was the joint the I don't
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: know what for? No, No, no. This is right after
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the fucking where he crushes the van the video Family
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Matters comes out. So I call Head and I was like, oh,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he really he don't got nothing, because the day Free
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Shit was when I was like, oh this guy, dog,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: he ain't got nothing. He's just saying ship the same shit.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And me and Head were talking, get off the phone, Head,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: my Twitter start getting learnt on Twitter. I'm like, that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: says this full drop Andrew. Okay, Oh it's.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Real maniac Bruhnigo maniac.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Me and Head on the phone just while the fuck
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: out like this is crazy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: That was cool, Broke. I was like, this shit just
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: took a turn. One of the craziest nights in hip
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: hop history.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But when he did meet the Grams, it was like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it was like the most like I don't know, like
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: if you've seen Obsession, you know, the new movie. It
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was just the most like eerie horror movie version of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a rap song ever where you're just like, oh, he
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: just sucked the whole life out of the dude who
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: had everyone's change in the video.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of that performance. Man, that just that
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: whole run of the battle.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think it matters because this is what I say, right,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I think that we are two years removed from the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: peak of that situation, and I look at like some
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of the bigger battles in history and some of the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: half truths or speculative bars that have, you know, gone
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: over on a lot of people. Do you think it
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: matters that in hindsight, we never knew if Drake had
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the secret?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Kid man, I'm one of those people, bro, and this
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: could be to my this could be an issue for me.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Did you make him look like a fool? Oh for sure?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And I guess I never don't get me wrong. Like
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I saw in a push battle, you know what I mean,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: like it made it crazy when it was like, oh
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: this shit eerie, Oh.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: No, the push of t shit like fucked up a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: whole entire Adida's role and he exposed your child for you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But I don't think I ever figured out if you know, if.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Pak was a fucking faith.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Or like going back to kroris one and and Shan right, like, Bro,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, it can, but it don't happen. I don't.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if jay well, you don't know if
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: jay Z actually left a condom on NAS's car seat.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. So it's like some of this stuff is like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to believe and I don't know if it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: something wrong with me, but people are way too vested.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Like if people feel like I was vested, I'm like, bro,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go live my life tomorrow. Like I'm
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: not tripping, like I know the parties involved, but like
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: all of these things mean something to people. So but
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: for me, man, I don't really give a fuck. Man,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I just don't care.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Was there ever a point in time or a time
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in which you reflected and you felt sorry for Drake? No?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, okay, because we come from the same program, bro,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And like people every day, some asshole fake staying because
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: they're not real fans. Bro, some asshole stand pulls up
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a good thing I said about Drake, and I'm like, Bro,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I actually rooted for this dude. I actually want him
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to be successful. He's successful.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: He's an incredible talent, generationally talented.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Man, one of the greatest right, one of the greatest
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: pop record makers in the history of and.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest rappers of all time. He's one
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: of the yes rappers.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's hard because it's like.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: No matter how you rank him, you can rank him
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: in your top thirty.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: He is one of the Yeah, yeah, he is a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: quality MC. I mean he can rap, he can do
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: all of the things. It's just.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Something's missing for you, not even not.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Even something missing. It's like it's nothing wrong with him.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Him saying like it's nothing that it's just somebody that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: had a pop program from the beginning, just kind of
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you know, when I'm comparing it to the guys like
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: jay Z or Scarface where it's just them and their
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: writing and they have a beat and they just versus
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you know, his understanding is like his understanding was further
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: than most people have ever seen coming to me.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's the same guy who like his first viral freestyle
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: was reading off of a BlackBerry, which pop he normalized that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: You, I mean, that wasn't a thing that anyone ever did,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like and you didn't do that right, And so it's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like it's nothing wrong with it. Like he for sure
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: is again he can rap his ass off. He's a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: tremendous MC. It's none of those things. I'm just saying.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: It gives off like I have to take into account,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: like he approaches it like a pop musician, meaning like
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: he may didn't write this, you know, versus where we
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: look at some artists and hip hop and they got older,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: mean like fifteen years and they finally getting some help.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It's just different. But yes, he's a tremendous rapper and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a fantastic m see and just more than anything, one
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of the greatest record makers in the history of the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: record business.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Had you ever met Drake before, Yes, positive interactions always, Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Not a bad dude. It's just all this shit just
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: went fucked him up. Man.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because it's like what made Drake
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: dope to me in the beginning was like he was
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a relatable guy. He's just a normal, like nerdy dude
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: who could sing and rap and he was cool. He
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be anybody. He wasn't. And then there
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was like the switch where it was like mob ties
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and like you know, and it just it's like he's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: hanging out with a lot bruh's, like you know, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: like from.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: The streets, and he's leaning into some of that. Fine,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: but it became a little less and I think that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: kind of and even when that was happening, right, I
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: didn't really trip. I'm like, yeah, whatever, I guess at
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: that I just didn't care, you know what I mean.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, just just make the songs for everybody.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't into it, So hey, listen, like you said,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: he's probably there. I mean, he's the greatest record maker
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I think in hip hop history. I wouldn't say in
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: hip hop history. Okay, okay, no, because it's important because okay,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: this is how Elvis happens.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: He's the greatest record maker in rap music history. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and quite possibly pop history.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Sure he's in that conversation, Yeah for sure. Yeah, he's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: knocking on that door.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Would you like, Iceman, did you listen?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I'm listen to it. It's good album. I mean, but
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: once you sw a label, what you're doing.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: This is my thing with Iceman, and I like, I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: tried so my first listen, I hated it because he
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was just bitching about the battle and everybody who turned it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this ship like let go,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: let go man, you know, and uh. I listened to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: it a second time and I tried to just be like, Okay,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: let me listen to this. I don't know what it's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: like to have gone through the worst loss that anybody
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: has ever taken ever in music, Like it's not even close,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: got out wrapped out record, how maneuvered.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Just every single the little things, the big things.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: We're talking super Bowl Stadium tour, two sold out dates
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in Toronto.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Good lord.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Whole music industry is like off you. Now, all these
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: people that you helped, you know.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So I was like okay, And I don't think people
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: was ever off him, No, no, but I just mean
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like people who were like I think, but I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: to me, like the Rick ross.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Thing is like a big thing where you were like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of interesting, Like if French Montana's not mad,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: why's Rick Rossman?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what's funny is like nothing really happened.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Like just after the battle, nothing happened.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: No.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I think my whole thing was like going into Iceman
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and just saying okay, I think that there is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent chance that Drake had nightmares
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and or couldn't sleep at night based off of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: mental told that this battle took on it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Sure, I believe.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And so if you're making a body of work going
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: through that and whatever after that feels like, Okay, if
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: that's your truth, now, let me listen to the album.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: If motherfuckers wrapping his ass off.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Man, I don't think I listen. He's not some nothing
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: like this. Nigga is dope. He not stupid, you know
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: what the fuck he's doing, especially in the pursuit of
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: making records. He is a different type of animal. I
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: just feel like it's just been this is why this
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in hip hop. Like you know you you
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: kind of get Jones on you. It's not nothing spectacular.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Even if you are made to look like a fool
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: like Rick Ross got punched on camera, it didn't stop
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: his flow. Yeah, and he's not like he's not Finna.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: By the way, his new album is fire. It's a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: great album.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: To be consumed by something. And this is why I'm
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: really careful, right, and I don't I'm I'm really careful
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: with how I mentioned people in this space, Like I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: really careful because it's like his approach is different. Yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and people in hip hop approach approach is different, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: his approach is very special and unique. So really, when
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I compare his music, I don't compare it to like
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Blueprint or you know, made amatic. I compare it to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: like Fleetwood, mac Rumors or Thriller or things of that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Just because he rapping doesn't mean to me that's not
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the simplistic comparative to hip hop. Hip Hop is a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: completely different, very niche cultural thing. His understanding of taking
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: anything and then making something everybody can diegest is closer
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to what Madonna.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like a hell of it, like the best
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: ever at that I think personally like, and I think
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Ice Man's a great album. I have it, it's one
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of my It's just you gotta get over him bitching
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: though it's literally you know how they say there's like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: scorn baby Mama like singers, or like there's like scorned
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: women shit like or you'll hear sure you hear, or
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you'll hear Chris Brown or Usher and they'll make a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: song about being heartbroken by a woman. This is the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: first album in which we have a heterosexual male at
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: least who's heart who's been heartbroken by a bunch of
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: his homies.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And so I'm gonna say this, and I know everybody
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: gonna be mad. Sometimes it be feeling very homo erotic bro,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: cause it's like I know, yea, I know what's gonna
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: happen because it's like editing. No, because it's not like
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you know, the probably every time I talk, because people
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: gonna be like this nigga be mad and I'm like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not mad. I'm just saying naturally because it's all
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: driven off I fucked with this nigga girl, I did
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: this or this nigga, I'm fucking this Girl's like, Bro,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: if a man comes to your mind when you fucking
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: a lady, that's a very homo erotic thought. If that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: a if that fuse your interest in a woman, I mean,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: if who she slept with, fuse your interests.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, I'm gonna add I'm gonna be able to
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: have that over it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like oh I got Future's baby mama. Yeah, Bro,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you're probably gay. You know what I'm saying.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Not like.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: It feels like a lot of the roots of his
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: issues with other people that aren't homere rotic shit, it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: all sources with a woman. I think that's what happened
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: with Metro.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Sure, but it's all But that's my point where it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like it'd be homeore rotic shit. But in his case,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I think part of it is like I'm mad at niggas.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Niggas didn't really accept me.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck their bitch.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you that I'm worth the same thing
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you fuck. I'm gonna show you I'm worth the same
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: thing because we could fuck the same women. And it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: like that's probably not a great judge your value. You
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: gotta walk down the same streets. But in his case, man,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I think everything was always fine, and I guess that's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the point, Like, just because you lost a battle, bro,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be fine.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: You're like, to me, the lawsuit is the worst strategic
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: decision I've ever seen anyone ever make. And that's not
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: even like music industry. That's just like, you know, maybe
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder turning down his Lakers deal, you know, eighty
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: million dollars and then you know, chasing money the rest
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: of his career. That's up there. But but Drake doubling
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: down on this lawsuit shit after losing a battle. It's
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like that is when it's like, Okay, you don't even
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: look at the world through like the spirit of like
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: this rap shit for real, because could you imagine if
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: fucking nas or jay Z would suit each other in
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Yeah, it'd been crazy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So but and that's why I'm saying it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a space for it, because it's just not he don't
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: have these expectations. He don't have the burden of culture.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: And so again it that's no way I put Black
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: on his talent. It's on this phenomenal and he was
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: always gonna be fine even after the battle. I just
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: hate that the energy is like, oh it was. It's like, bro,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you're fucking fantastic at this.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Only somebody who doesn't have the burden of culture could
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: go through with doing that lawsuit and doubling down.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And being fine and being fine any of us, Oh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: it's the end of your life.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: What is your favorite Drake song of all time?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Can you stop?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: NonStop stop big book?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Guys? See, I mean, I'm not gonna argue with these
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: crazy people if if I can't condemn somebody doing some
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: bullshit or or something that's in my wheelhouse. Man, fuck
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: these people. I don't give a fuck. People get so mad,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I don't get me. I don't give a fuck, do you?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So you've dealt with this, you and head have dealt
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: with this on a level that I can't comprehend because
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I've dealt with it on a smaller level, and it's
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: been a lot. The Drake ovio Twitter accounts theirs, they
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: are fucking psycho, their psycho. I'm not sure if they're real.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of these people are in cells. A lot
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of these people are in a basement beating their dick
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: all day.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: But it is like this weird.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Block of Twitter accounts that they can at the ovo
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: owls and the the six Side ship in their bio.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Their entire pages are dedicated to another grown man.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: See that the ship when they had to look alike? Party?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, like these like but like pop, these motherfuckers are
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like psychos.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But you don't remember that's like Britney Spears ship like that,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Like that never happened hip hop, It ain't none of
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: us dressed like no motherfucker ice Cube. Niggas love ice Cing.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean there's been some old school hip hop theme
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: parties or people bust out, like you know.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Not a high school not a theme No, no, you're right,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: but like, yo, would you go you're a die hard
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Clips fan? Would I what would it be?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: A Clips party or would it be a clip costume party, No, no, come.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: On, no no, A complete look alike? No, no, no no.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I would go to like a two thousands era party
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and I would bust out an om your pusher t
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and some like you know, bathing a.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: No, I mean you have to you have to darken
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: your skin. No, no, come on, just say it, or
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: like you would go to a place like that. No, no, no, no,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: so be weird. I think his audience is. I think
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: as the world has been like black life in Americas
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and gingrified, here's part of what's happening. So everybody's moving
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: in on the space. But I probably was always gonna
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: be fun.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I blocked seven eight hundred accounts just just off of
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: just this beef.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't block one. I love the humility. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: love the shit theyby said, some crazy shit like I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: be reading it because some people I'm like, if I
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: see you hit your side your head. But for the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: most part, I don't mind the humility. I don't mind
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: somebody trying to humble me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Could you and academics have a conversation in person that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: wouldn't result in violence?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Why the fuck would I fight?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Act? I'm just curious, Yeah, but why would. He's been
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: pretty disrespectful too. I mean he's he said some crazy
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: shit about everybody, and.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but all them people. The kick is that now
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: he ain't said shit fucked up about listen. Act is
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: in this really weird space because people call it journalism,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: but it's not. It's more rooted in his opinion on
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: what's happening in.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: The news, right like a it's an opinion based show
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: for sure, Yes, And I think.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: The confusionist people think they you know, they conflated with
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: somebody giving just you know, like a news.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: It's not news, No, it's academics commentating on what's going
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: on culturally through his.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Perspective, through his lens. So it's like, I wouldn't really
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: have no problem like me an ACT don't. God, I
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: don't got no problems with Act. The shit he said
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: about my own body gonna you know, you can probably
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: have to fight them about this shit, or you may don't.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: But like, I don't think me and him personally had
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: no thing. I don't think he would want to sit
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: down me because he know, I know what the fuck
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, right, Most of these people not gonna
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: want to sit down me because I know what I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: care about. It Like for them, this is just like
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: a hustle, like they're just making money. Yeah.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think what made academics like endearing to the public
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: on The Joe Budden Show was that he felt like
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: he was like a fan and he is a fan
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of music who kind of got thrown on on on camera.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's really a fan.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not saying he's like a fan of
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: like he's not like a hip hop head per se.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: But I think, like, don't even I don't even mean
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: like a a hip hop head' I think, man, this
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: ship is tag is just Thursday.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But I think like when he first came in, he
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: felt like it was like, oh, they just they took
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: this guy off the Internet and now he's in front
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: of these rappers, which is why I thought, like, if
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you think about that Migos moment, he was like genuinely
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: like excited to talk to the Migos.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: He forgot he just said talking shit and so it
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: was like you know it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Was it was I like, it acts like initial run.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, I fuck with dude because he's just
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like he's.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: How any random like hip hop fan with acts initial
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: run was the Chicago shit.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean when we public, when we
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: saw him, I wasn't I saw I was back there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: You were fucking with the Shyrack shit.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I was like that at all. Okay, make no mistake.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Everything about this ship is few by Street. Urban culture
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: is Act's take on Chicago street urban coachure my teen's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: happening in that flockos success is happening because of his
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: take on Los Angeles Street.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And I thoroughly enjoy Flocko's YouTube channel.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Which I've told him multiple times it's irrespond like this
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: lie telling about Mustard, that's a bad lie.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I will watch him like tear down, like Chud the Builder,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and like I don't watch the hip hop shit because
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I kind of like sure, I kind of know that
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: him and I are not aligned.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And it's not alignment because like he's a gifted storyteller,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: very good at that, Like acc is a gifted orator,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Like he can he can dictate and narrate exactly what
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: he's watching in his voice. It's certain things that I
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: know that make that works for whatever you.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Want to say about Aki is a gifted communicator and
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: there's something that resonates with the public.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And with flock flock is a gifted storyteller. But the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: problem is both of them will fucking lie. And that's
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: where it can be dangerous because you're in like right
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: now the ship Flocko is doing with Mustard, that's irresponsible,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Like you you can.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Say that saying that Mustard someone out right yes over
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a murder.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: So this people got friends, homies. You could put this
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: man life in danger. That shit is irresponsible, and that's
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: what the burden.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Of culture would prevent you from talking about.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is goes back to that same conversation,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the burden of they don't have the burden of culture.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: They will they don't have the burden of none of
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: this shit that I could be like man Trump, duh
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: lah dah, he don't give a fuck how niggas feel.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Flock Oh, don't give a fuck out. They don't. It's
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: not they don't have the burden of culture. The thing
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that makes hip hop hip hop is the burden of culture.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Like that's the thing, you know what I'm saying, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: even further in their space for you know, how they
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: see the world. So but I think this again, Street
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: urban culture is the gift that keeps on giving and
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: this is why we have them. But no, I don't.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. There's no reason for me to fight academics.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Like well, I feel like there was just.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Like this funny thing where it was like everybody kind
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: of shows sides in this thing, right, and then it
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: automatically like made people who like, you know, I think
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: about like even like I remember at the beginning of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the battle, DJ Head and academics had a constructive conversation
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: on academics stream and I was like, oh, that was
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: dope head is head, So you're not gonna, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: win that, but it was a constructive conversation and then
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it turned into disrespect somewhere on one side obviously, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, well and then you know, and
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: even like even like Maw like mal somebody who you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I fuck with Rory and Maul's podcast a lot, but
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like some of his like it just became like okay,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: like it's almost like, you know, when we watched CNN
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: or Fox, there's these two different truths that people like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: exist then depending on what channel you watch, And it
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: felt like that was some of the some of some
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of the commentators in this battle, it was like, y'all
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: are just not being genuine, Like you're being disingenuous because
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of your relationship or your ties or your fandom to
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: whichever side right. And I felt like on the Drake side,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: it was like there were so many guys who were
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just like, Okay, what do we are? We just gonna
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: not tell the truth on what's going on here, Like.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Man, to be honest, man, I thought that shit was humorous.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. I don't know, man, I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think. I get I don't The
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: disrespect thing is raggedy like, but I think part of
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it is because enough people don't sit down. Now, I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: get it. There's some people I'm not gonna sit down with,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: not because I don't think we would have a constructive conversation.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I just think that their point is to cause chaos.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not They're not coming from a place, genuine place. Yeah.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: So like acts like I don't think I think he
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: knows better. I think he knows the stuff within like
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: flock oh, like that shit with mustard is fucked up,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Like that's not something to play with, and to me,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: it should be imposed upon him by like his the
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: people that are in his street urban circle, you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: rock Star, p Nighte, all of those people. Do you DM.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I know you guys had a moment on stream, but
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: do you like do you text flock on the side?
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Nah? Nah, because like I have before, Like but like
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: when I told him that day, like you you have
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to know that this could cost somebody they life. You
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, This is serious like this, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes they treat us like we characters on
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: a video game and they just playing a video game
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: for the world and they just controlling it. And it's like, bro,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: there's no three lives. Bro, Like this is serious and
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like my energy about it all. It's like, bro,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: this is real for us. This is like our real lives.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: This is our friends, family, everybody we knew growing up
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: in our childhood. And you are doing something to be entertaining,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: but you can cost someone their life And what do
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: you think that means after that? Like it's not about
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know, initiating fear in you. It's like, bro, like
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: how like you're a regular. But this goes to the
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: point of where I always say street urban culture people
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: have more morals than a regular civilian, Like there is
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: no code of conduct for a regular person. It's whatever
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: to get ahead or whoever that person want to be.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Where we live at, accountability as a must. If you
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: go around saying something about a motherfucker, it's expected for
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: you to see that motherfucker say it to their face.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And the real world is not like that. Like you
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: watch people be online all the time, call each other's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: out there name motherfucker, be like, oh you punk ass bitch,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: and they be talking crazy and then the motherfucker hit
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: them and they'll be surprised, like why'd you hit me?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: It's like because people really think they should be able
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to say what they want to say. That is what
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: makes it different than any street urban lifestyle that is
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: not true. So there's a moral you know, space of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: how you talk here and accountability, like to the initial
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: point is very personal, and niggas will just be like, yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: well you had to come in, So I don't think
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I would have If I saw academicly, it'd be like
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: what up and just be a very entertaining podcast. Sure,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: but it's probably gonna end more with me explaining where
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: he's wrong at him omitting he's wrong, and then him
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: going back to doing what he was doing because that's
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: his business. Same with Flo. H If I talk to Flo, oh,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be me, you know, being a forty six
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: year old man from the streets, educating him on exactly
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: where he's wrong, you know, him trying to refute it,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: but then me, you know, deflating that, you know, taking
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the air out of those debates and holding them accountable,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: but him going back to entertaining how he's entertaining. So
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I guess the whole point is, these are real people's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: lives you're entertaining with.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always say that when it comes to some
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of like these new quote unquote hip hop fans, they're
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: not even fans of the music, they're fans of the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: story that they found on YouTube. Like, you know, you
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: talked about the Shirak shit. I'm like, there's so many
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: people who don't give a fuck about none of you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville shit, you know, Fulio dying and all. You know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: there's so many people who they don't consume the music.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Man, they they're just consuming the trauma. They right back
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: at their cubicle, pouring coffee into their mound it's their
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: TV show, doing their database.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It's their TV show. Whether it's like a Traplo or
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Ross documentary or fly, you know, it's it's it's entertainment.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's like, that's why I'm really careful.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Back to that point from twenty twenty one to twenty
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: two where I'm telling you I'm careful with who I
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: call hip hop right, and I think as all of
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: us in the space should be really careful. That's not
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: to say people don't do business or make money off
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: of hip hop, but I think the burden of culture
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: is the thing that anchors us down.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: What do you think There's obviously somebody you're close with
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: both parties, but I saw stat Quo and Justin We're
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: doing a podcast yesterday, Top calls in to give full
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: context on why Kendrick and Game stopped talking. Had to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: do with the one hundred video shoot, which is twelve
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: thirteen years ago now at this point, ten years ago,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Kendrick not loving the fact that Drake was in Compton
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: and had subliminal bars for Kendrick on that record. I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: think it's a shame because you know, they got Game
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and Kendrick have such deep history and.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Me, I don't know. I'm still really surprised, and I
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what the fuck Chuck was thinking, Like,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you can't let this nigga disc gaming. You can't let
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: this nigga DISDT in Compton, right, you really ain't supposed
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: to be on no record what his nigga dissing him.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: But if I don't even know, you don't bring into
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:28
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• 1:00:30
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• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: The truth is if motherfucker's not seeing eye eye on
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• 1:03:32
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• 1:03:35
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• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: he's fucking upset. Of course he is. But my problem is, Bro,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: your hounds are doing some shit that could cost some niggas.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Fuck how mad you is at no
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: trying to make it look nigga look dumb. It's another
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: thing where your minions right for lack of better terms,
• 1:04:20
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• 1:04:26
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• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: over a black man. That's it. So it's like, just
• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: not like this whole thing this is everybody's talking about
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the same exact thing.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like when you push a narrative. First
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: of all, it's easy to push narratives, especially if you
• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:48
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  Speaker 1: it's a thing, Like public sentiment is a real thing.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: That we're watching it happen in multiple cases, like we
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: keep seeing it happen, and I'm just saying, and this
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: is another thing, like, right, the burden of culture that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: would make you responsible, Right, the burden of culture that
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: would make you responsible for doing this, It's it's not there.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: So to be honest, I'm the only motherfucker's like seeing
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: it out loud and every motherfucker like, man, they know
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: it's true, but to the general public, it just sound
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: like this conspiracy. So that's it kind of just becomes
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: like Bro. I honestly, I didn't even want to talk
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: about in the first place. I was just in a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: fucking another space and I was trying to spare one
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: of cuz stands that be playing and it's like, bro,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not playing, bro, And cuz know I'm not playing.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: All this partners know I'm not playing. If my partners
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: ain't told them I'm not playing, I'm not playing. I'm
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: not fucking around dog.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Man, it's like real life. Like you said, it's one
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: thing to make it lott someone look stupid or look
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: broke or whatever the fuck. But it's like when you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: start fucking around people's life, like life, it's like, yoh,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: what are we doing here?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: And that's to me what it is. So it's like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: y G Bro didn't kill that man. Bro, hy G
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: didn't have that. Nothing about HyG had something that shit
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: just done and must it didn't bail this boy out
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: of no motherfucking jed bill. That's just not true. But
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: these have real life ramifications. So when people are pushing
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: that narrative and I know who's seeding stories and who
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: don't have no problem watering them with money, I'm speaking
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: out a lot of hey, cuz that's not player bro,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: And it's not like I wanted to do it then
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I don't. That's why I kind of haven't really talked
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: about it and I'm not trying to get into all
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: that shit, like I don't give fuck what none of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: these people think, cause you and I know what's going on.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: It was a message directly to you. I'm not you know,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: it just happened to be because we don't talk on
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: the phone or I'm not talking to Tillble, I'm not
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: talking about I'm not trying to send no message to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the homie, to you. I'm telling you cuz to you,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: like hey, cut, don't do that. I don't fuck how
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: mad you is. Like it was like the whole bron
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: shit because it was like crimes allegs and that shit prostitution.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: You talking about Couzin this old lady, he alleged crimes
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: against Browns about paying for p and you like this
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: ain't something abnormal because he's been doing it the whole
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: time since the battle.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine like you put like like he like why,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, bro, motherfuckers have no standards. It's
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: like you over here trying to break up someone's marriage
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: because they went to the pop out and.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Dance ad to a nigga song who he'd been dancing
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: And I get it. To the general population, that's some
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: bitch ass shit though, But the general a lot of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: people in the general population is whole ass niggas. So
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: whole ass niggas unite and they find each other and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: then so it's not no men. So then the one
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: man that's screaming feel me just look crazy. I just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: looked like a crazy old man on my yard cuz
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: versus like, hey, bro, be a man. Bro, you you've
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: got in this battle for you know what I mean?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: You lost the battle. Somebody outmaneuvered you, no problem, keep
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: it moving. Put fucking millionaire.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Your life is straight. Bro. You can put out some records.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: You the king of this record shit you get.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: The fucker had a Lebron James tattoo on his body,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: so and then and then proceeded to try to break
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: up his marriage.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, because you're mad so the fact, and then said
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: he paid for prostitutes. Like I'm not saying nothing.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Crazy is in jail for that right now?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, because somebody filed a civil suit allegend criminal activities.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: The people investigated it after the civil suit when it
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: so again, I'm not It just sounds crazy because I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: just sound like the crazy old man on the yard
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: versus I'm not no nigga. I ain't been telling y'all
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: no motherfucking lies because I ain't the nigga around this
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: motherfucker trying to lie because I'm not trying to kicking
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: no nigga. Back in and get nowhere, bro. Like one thing,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: we're joking about a battle and having fun and all that,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: and me standing up for my partner for me, Bro,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care, but I don't want you to put
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: this hy g them dudes ain't man. That's not right. Bro, Like,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: that's not right.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Bro. Them niggas ain't bro Like he's a fucking executive
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and it ain't.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody else gonna speak up, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: For the young hommies and everybody don't speak damn shit.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm stuck because I can't do it no
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: other way, am I.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Thing is like, why G's not making the song that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: he put on his album, which is right there by
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the way Gentlemen's Club. That would be an insane thing
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: to put that record out and then still like like
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: actually have something to.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Do with what happened, bro, that that shit is just dune.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Like everybody in the streets know what happened, right like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: that the streets taught we know what happened.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: What is your thoughts on because I do think we're
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm surprised gang members are still
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: going on podcasts talking about stuff they shouldn't be talking
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: about after we've seen the last five years happen, right ricos,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: people are in jail, people have died, et cetera, et cetera,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: et cetera. What do you kind of like like in
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: terms of like the gang culture turning in the content
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: because active game members or retired game whatever, you can't retire.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: You got to get off the set. But are are
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: making it content.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: It's a tough thing, you know, Like people want to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: condemn it, but it's like these people are trying to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: change their life.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: They're trying to feed their family.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, here's some shit. I've been through an experience
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: that separates me from ninety nine point nine percent of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: the general public, right, and somebody wants to pay me
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to hear about all this trauma I've been through, right,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Like I could be our robbing motherfuckers. I could be
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: you know, all the stuff. So there's that part of me,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: and that's the part of me that I really emphasize
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: what the situation is. Don't got nothing to say as
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: long as you being accountable for whatever comes from it,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: come from it. Cool, But I don't have no condemnation
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: for homies trying to change their life. I remember what
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: it was like excelling shirm every day. I remember what
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: it's like getting shot at. I remember it was like
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: busting on niggas. I remember going through all this, going
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: to jail, fighting a lot.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Of people that obviously you can't blame somebody for rather
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: going and sitting down and doing a podcast than going
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: and hitting a lick that could cost them, you know,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: their life or you know.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: So it's enough people to me talking shit about them,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? For me, it's like like,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: and I hope it work out for you, bro, like
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to work out for you. I want
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to be able to make a living.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: I want you to be able to send and find
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: your ship, like people like Bosco or you know, people
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: that have made like Munchie. Certain people to me that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: are really positioning themselves, like I want them to change
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: their life. And if what they got to offer initially
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: is their cultural experience growing up in this jungle that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: we grew up here. What's the gummy from avalon a cartoon?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I think, like how great of an entertaining do brick
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Baby was before he got such a.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Beause he was almost good, he was almost out, you
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so I want all of
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: the people that I grew up, you know, that grew
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: up like me, to have a chance to make it
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: out too. And it's a tough thing. All I say
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: is just be accountable because you know this shit, it's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people rooting against you. It's a bunch
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: of people that are jealous of your experience. They're jealous
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: that people respect that you were able to survive.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: And now you've got notoriety.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that shit. They'd be like, man, well, shit,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I've been stipling the papers for all these years. Why
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: y'all appreciate him.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: It's also like an understandable thing to if you're just
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: living in your truth and you're on a live stream,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: if you're just talking free like people like some people
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: just like will let shit go that they probably be like, damn,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that, but we was live on
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: the internet.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. I get it, though.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I've been in the strongstanding that prior to, I mean,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: prior to any of this beef shit, I had Kendrick
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: two or three all time on my top five because
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I was to tell people if you could put Biggie
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: in your top five off of two albums, I could
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: put Kendrick in my top five off of five albums.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: And obviously you know Section eighty and Kendrick glmarip and.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: After all this and after gn X, I think it's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: either him or Jay Z. And I mean when I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: say the greatest rapper of all time, what do you have, like,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: where do you have him?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I think Snoop Dogg is the greatest hip hop artist
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: of wal time. Okay, I think Snoop is the greatest
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: hip hop artist of all time. I think culturally the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: phenomenon that he is, you know, it's some I.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Think Doggie Still is the greatest album of all time.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Ship. Yeah, that's a great album. I don't know, man
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: watching dot to be honest, Like what's crazy is gn
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: X is my favorite Kendrick album? Is the first one
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I've ever you know, really that that kind of send
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: it into because I'm also probably like like all the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: stuff I grew up, you know, i'mthing nostalgic about growing up.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: For sure. This is like the first Kindrick album that
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: I've ever played, Like I play the Chronic right, or
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I play dog Food or street Gospel or Rhythmalism or
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Blueprints or Made or any of that. Like I play
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: this Ship like that, So like I'm more than anything.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: I'm impressed. But for people arguing about the greatest, you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, he's as qualified as anybody else
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: in that conversation.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's got Damn, You're more classics than anybody.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I think the only discography I would say kind of
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: hangs with him or or surpasses him unequivalent, it's Kanye
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of quality.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I always feel like me and we talked about this,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I always feel like Kanye first half of his career
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: is overrated. The second half is really where you get Kanye.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: You're tripping man overrated because it's a hell of fundamental,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: but it's great. It's with training wheels, you know what
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like when he got loose, by the time
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: he starts doing Ship like Jesus, by the time.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I love you, like I got used this high in
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: my life of Pablo.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Ya like the ya ep, Like that's my favorite Kanye product.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Yay Yay. Really, I mean, I think ghost Town's one
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: of the greatest songs. That's my ship, It's one of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the greatest songs got.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: And to me, that's that to me is like that's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: where yay is Yay. All that other ship from them
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: early records, Damn is just his renditions of I mean,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: I don't listen.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's like saying, you know, doggy style is,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and the blue Carpet treatment. We'll be like, well,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: they're very different phases of Snoop's life and both very great.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: But but for me, the production part of it is
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the conversation, not love the production, not him as an
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: MC right, because him as an MC is an evolution
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: of man.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: But My Beautiful Dark Twist Fantasy the greatest album ever
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: really outside of Snoop. But I think if you were,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: if you were to take it's almost like I always say,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I'm a Lebron guy. But to me, if someone says
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: that Jordan's the goat, I can't argue with that. And
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: if I was a Jordan guy, if someone told me
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Lebron was the goat, I couldn't argue with it. Probably
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: could hater anyway, let's not get into the fund. But
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I think if like I think the Kanye, my Beautiful
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album that if someone was like,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: this is the greatest album ever, it's perfect. I can't
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: say nothing, really, I can't say nothing. What's what's the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: what's the joint on?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: There? You skip? That ship is impeccable, you know, That's all?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: That's all like subjective what I will say is by
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: that time, he started to figure out who he was
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: as a producer, and that's what I appreciate, right, Like
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: my favorite a album Go Yay, Pablo Jesus, Dark Twisted Fantasy.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Oh you're like yeah, I mean listen, I love yes
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: this man, and then Pablos.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: As a producer, he starts defining himself, like listening to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: college dropout, you know, like registration registrations, she graduation, graduation.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: He started kind of just moving into a poppiler space.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: But I think fundamentally it was I heard what he
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: was doing before, and I thought he did it well
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: to where I can accept it. But when he started gambling,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's when I.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Get I get what you mean by that my personal
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: favorite because I think.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: There's like funny you said, ghost down that is my shit.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite song on the album, and I think
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's in the contention for best Yay song ever.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: But I think, like my favorite Kanye album is different
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: than what I think it's the best. My favorite is
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Late Registration. But then like in that conros the at
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: least this is up there versus on Late Registration, we
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: major shots in knabs Man.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I think his first half is a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: bit overrated, but I get it. That's what everybody could
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: connect to, Like people don't like to gamble, but man
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: to me, like later in his career when he started
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: gambling with sounds and like five thirty even off one
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: of the last projects, and.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: I mean that's just bully by the way, bullies fire.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I haven't really been listening, but I heard five thirty yeah,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: and I mean yay. And Pablo like Ultra Light being
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: like that style of production to me is yay. That's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: where like I get yay. I don't get this version
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: of Pete Rock. I don't get this version of Rizles's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: what you're saying, primo, I get.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Like an elevator, Like you're essentially getting an evolved version
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: of the boom Back shit with the first two albums
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Honestly a poppier version of the boom Back like.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: More like to me, a perfected version if I had
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: to be honest, like if.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I think it like yeah nah, because yay, oh none
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: of them got to be as tight as cream, but
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: it's clean, it's digestible for the men stream, like you know,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: taking a chaka Cohn song and pitching up the vocals.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I get what the thought was, but man, when you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: start getting to songs like ghost Town or No No,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: when he started taking like risk.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I think it started on graduation, when he started fucking
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: with like the EDM shit and sampling it stronger. But
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like nobody, but nobody was doing that ship.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: And hip hop that was I don't think that's really
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: the game that was groundbreaking though, sure, because you now
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: you you usher in a genre that hip hop doesn't
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: necessarily well, that's not necessarily tru because we start going
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: back to BAM and you whatever. But I get it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: But the point I'm saying is when you start doing
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: it like ghost Town, I never heard no ship like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: this incredible, Like I never heard ship like Ultra. Do
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: you like Kitsy Ghosts. I'm not a Cuddy fan.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Oh you're tripping.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: I never got into a shout to get cutting.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: We have him as a vampire.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: I never got in a Cuddy like that. Listen to that.
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  Speaker 1: No, you have to listen to that album because it's
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: kind of a continuation of Yet you have to listen
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: to that. There's ghost Town Part twos on there.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: You have to ghost on ghost Town too, but ghost
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  Speaker 2: Town man, who you got that is? Wanna like?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: That?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: To me? Is when I was like, oh this niggas,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: you know he got something that's special.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to rank the following five hip
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: hop albums, Okay, Doggy Style, My Crazy Life, the documentary,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: g n X, dog Food.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Based off my opinion of what I grew up listening to.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Just give me your five, based off what are what
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: are the better?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: What's greater or better? Greater is a different conversation because
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: greater is how to impact everybody yours, your dog food,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: dog food, everything else. Okay, Okay, so if dog Foods
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: number one personally, gn X is gonna probably be number two.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, we got My Crazy Life, we got the documentary.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: What else did I say? Dog Style? So for sure,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: dog Food is the first album that fit my life
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: at that time and it made sense to me. Uh
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: G and X has pretty pretty much been the soundtrack
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: of my last Like I haven't played an album as
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: much as I played gen X in a long time,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: year and a half straight, like like my life's mantra,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Like like whacked out mirrors, that's like they gotta played
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: at my funeral fire like that's like never by Scarface
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: and whacked out Mirrors are like right there, as like
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: my life's creed as a as a man, I'm gonna
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go doggy style three. Yeah, I
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: was close to it and then crazy like. But what's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: funny is I probably played my Crazy Life more than documentary,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: But documentary probably means more because I saw it up
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: close and personal. I was there when that happened, and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I saw the rollout, I saw videos being shot. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: saw that it was personal. But my crazy life is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: I probably played my Crazy Life third the most.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: It's a perfect album, so good album.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: They did a fantastic job that.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: It was the incredible Were you watching the verses?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: NA? I had a show at a park for the city.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Did the Pair? Was it the Pair of Square Ship?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I did a park, you did the park?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Wakin? Yeah?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I obviously the documentaries and and to me, Doctor's Advocates
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: my favorite game album. But I think like the sentiment
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: going into the battle, people just had YG fucked up.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, man, I hit had and I was
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: like there for rudewagn. I was telling everybody the whole time,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: is like, bro, I was like, Yo.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: This's gonna be, this gonna be, This's gonna be a
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: rough day for Chuck because y G, why G's had
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: If you think about his his run, he is the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: party twenty ten, twenty ten, twenty eleven to twenty and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: twenty six, we've gotten YG joints.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Damn here every year. He's the He's the party, ainty.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: But the only person that probably could keep up with
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: him and the party. I mean there's some guys that
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: we could talk about, but I'm talking about on the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: level like he's the party, like Snoop is the party.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: And he's but he's the party. But he's got fuck
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and you party to that.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, but he's the party.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: But I mean he did he you know, he didn't
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: do a lot of like my joint joints. You know,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: like if he would have did like really be smoking
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: But he But I just think that like he ended
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: up doing a I just want to party.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, he did that. He did biking back being Bull, did.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Rock come out? Nah?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Damn nah? But I was like when I saw I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: think there was like a pole who was gonna win
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: and I think it was like eighty twenty, like games favorite.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Everybody thought. I was like, everybody, you guys really got
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: fucking Why G fucked up?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: That's for sure our guy.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: And like the amount of records that like keep performed it,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, you forget this motherfucker's different.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: He's a he was a He's a phenomenon in itself.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: He's another one of those guys that's really underrated in
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: the fold.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I kept telling everybody on my stam like, bro, that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: battle is gonna be way crazy, y'all. Think this little
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: nigga got all the party songs. Every one of his
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: fucking songs is like the ship like we've been part
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: like BBT, like then he.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Got the R and B ship with Jeremiah and her
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: and oh man. But no, I just thought I thought
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: it was I thought it was a beautiful day. I thought,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you know, Chuck made it one of the more memorable
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: battles because he was just hilarious.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Like definitely turned to a party.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: It was. It was so much fun to watch. But
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I was I'm glad that like that national audience got
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh shit, why G damn that's motherfucker different.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Are you working on any music or anything right now?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the whole one ten album me Joey
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: and Duced. We got a group called one ten album
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: called Custom Culture. It's in a queue. Were finishing it
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: up and it'll be out by the end of this year.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: And then you're streaming how often Monday, Wednesday and Friday noon.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much long it's gonna last though,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: because like I just finished the Drop, like I was
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: telling you, and we're gonna come back for a second season.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: It's gonna work. People gonna enjoy it, and we're gonna
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: come back for a second season. And I'm gonna be
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: a full time writer.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you're gonna have time.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, the Drop is the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: spinoff from Snowfall that just got announced on Effects.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the it's the story of how the La
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: d Boys took their money and start trying to get
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: into the music business.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: So it picks up after Franklin Saint's demise.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Leon and Wanda, so ISAAA and Gil and
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: so you were brought in initially as a consultant.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: To essentially kind of cultural consultation.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: And ended up being a part of writing, even having
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: a small role in it.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: So you're in episode yeah, oh fire, which is crazy.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I had a curl that's fire.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: How cool is that though, to like even like, like,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we all like love watching certain TV shows,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: but to kind of see the curtain peel back a little,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: to kind of see how the medicines made, it's gotta
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: be kind of cool just on some fan ship.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Like, nah, you know what's cool to writing side, that's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I saw because I you know,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't direct the videos produce my own videos, and
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: tufak One's Died was a movie in his how.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Just like when you see the writing shit, it's different.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: That shit is great. It's like the first time I
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: ever walked in everything in my life I had to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: make adjustments to That's the first thing in my life
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I ever walked in and found my people. Wow, like
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's not just black folks.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: It was all kind of folks in there. Like I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: never felt such synergy with people as I did with
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: writers Fire.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's something that you want to pursue.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I've always done it, you know, I mean in terms
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: of like the like.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: On like an FX level, I mean on.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: A Disney level on it whatever's I mean, yeah, any
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: any level. Like I've always been in the writing. Everybody
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: kind of know that about me since fourth and fifth grade,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: so it was natural. But I'm grateful for Milcolm Spelman
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: give me, giving me the opportunity to help and contribute
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: ideas and just seeing promise and mail and the whole team,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: the whole staff at Effects, whole staff at Sony, whole
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: staff at Disney. First episodes in September, September eighth.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I'm excited.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like I and I'm in the first episode too.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: You're in the first episode, so you were able to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: screen it.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: You know what we was talking about trying to do it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody been trying to convince me to do a viewing party.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know about that, but maybe it
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: might be cool, you know what I'm saying, Like I
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: think you know, it would be interesting for sure.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Man, Well, congrats September.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: When is the September eighth?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: September eighth, So is your streaming your podcast the same
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: thing or they separate on separate.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: The podcast is something that comes out on Tuesday or Wednesday.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: It's a deeper conversation. The stream is kind of closer
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: to just news that I find any interest in, but
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: the podcast is definitely where my mind is always at.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like because there is like an art
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: to the streaming and talking about your new shit, But
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: like being live on the internet is also like we
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: started doing these live music reviews and it's kind of
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: weird to be like, oh, I can't take nothing back
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: I say.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Here, were in it? Like, you know, it's funny. I've
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: always spoke like I had some sense.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: But it's just like to be live and like, okay,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: cause you know, sometimes we'll talk about some shit here
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, yo, makes you cut this out?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: And then I'll say some shit, Well.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: The best thing is, you know, better than most people
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: whatever I said off camera, I'm pretty much and if
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: I can't rationalize it to my mind and it don't
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: come out of my mouth. Are you still scared of
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: trans people? No? Now, finally I'm not.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: So you're not transphobic anymore.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: No, I have no more fear of trans people at all.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: What broke that for you?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: You know? What I went down to YouTube deep dive,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: and I've really came to the conclusion that people really
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: are like who they are. Well, I think more than anything.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: This is gonna sound crazy, but I think part of
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: it is so much chemicals in the food. So many
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: different things can also throw that off. So there are
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: people that are born I think that it's some confusion
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: happening in their life and would different Well.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: There's definitely like gendermysphoria, which is something that is a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: real thing. But then there I also think there are
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: genuine trans people, but I think that's their points.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't really do their truth. But factually speaking, right,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: people can be like that, but I don't think it's much.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: I think the confusion would bother me initially, and I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: don't think at this point. Do you know what, I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: just stopped caring.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's something where it's like it doesn't
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: affect your life.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I would whoop your ass whether you was a
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: man that thought you hunts all the time, and once
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: you enter into that space, now we just humans, I think,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: because maybe at one time I wouldn't have tried to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: whoop your ass. Like I don't know about this now
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: I'll just fuck you up just like whatever.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was like this like concerted effort
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: from we're in this like weird era of like politics
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: during the Biden shit because Biden did such a horrible
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: job that like it kind of opened the door a
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: little for like Trump to get back in. But also
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: like this like crazy like narrative that like trans people
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: are trying to like fucking like take over the world
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: and like it again, not to say that there wasn't
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: some things you should be like hmm, you know, but
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like we're talking about two
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: percent of the population, Like there are much bigger things
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: to be outraged about, be mad about.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I was ever upset, Like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: it was a genuine you were fit. I remember you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: had the commo you were like, no, I'm scared. But
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: but now at this point is like you know what,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: you just a regular person. Yeah whatever, you don't get confusion.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: So I think whatever, float your boat to find your
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: loss remote that's a big.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Boiling say whatever, you know what I mean. So, but yeah,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: finally I got over there. So I'm grateful. I'm glad
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: you asked me that. Yeah, man, that's good.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Hey, we got fucking growth from Glasses man my dog
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: all right, look September eighth, watch the drop.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: He's in it.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: He is a consultant writer on the show, actor an
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: actor and Monday, Wednesday Friday.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: The stream is whin Ye on noon noon on Pacific
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Standard time three pm on these Coals, No ceilings blastma
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube page one ten album in the Chamber. There
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: are no the podcast, no Sillings podcasts, Apple podcasts or
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  Speaker 2: please get the video together for that. I know I've
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: been working on it for.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Years, yeah, for like five ish y. Yeah, yeah, you've
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: been just working on it. Every time I see you,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, you know, if you didn't.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Need to make something like this. But we got a
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: store now, so that's dope. I'll store now. Just do it, bro.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: You could set this up at your house. Yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: These lights are cheap. I got some of those lights. No,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: but like, fuck man, it make it so much bigger. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: I think you hit me even for my producer information
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: a couple of times and they're like, yo, man, you
• 1:31:37
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