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#103 Steph Claire Smith: Intimacy Challenge, Bounce-Back Culture and Failed Sleep Routines · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Ash, what are your thoughts on a thirty day intimacy challenge?
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: I'm listening us. Well, not we could, but well maybe
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: your wife, who the hell could last thirty days? More
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: like thirty seconds?
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Hey, well you know Steph kles Smith I do. You're
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: a big fan of her work. She is one of
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  Speaker 1: the co founders of one of this country's most successful
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  Speaker 1: fitness apps. It's called Kick or Keep It Cleaner. She's
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: got over one point five million followers. Have also got
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  Speaker 1: kick pod as well, which is hugely successful. Her and
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  Speaker 1: her husband, Josh, they recently made the commitment to each
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  Speaker 1: other and it turns out Ash it did their relationship
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  Speaker 1: some good.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Who'd a thought that three days of intimacy would help
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: a relationship. Yes, Steph and Josh have been together since
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: they were teenagers, so you've got to find creative ways
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  Speaker 3: to keep the spice alive, especially you have a three
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: year old.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: Harvey ended the world during the height of COVID lockdown.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: What a time to be conceived. Yeah, baby, COVID baby.
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  Speaker 3: She also has a love for jets keys, so let's
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  Speaker 3: lock in and find out why that is.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Maddie, Jay, I'm Ash.
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  Speaker 4: That's Steph Clesmith, mamma of Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: Very very very thank you. And this is a podcast
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  Speaker 1: all about parenting. It is the good, it is the
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  Speaker 1: bad and the relatable. Now, Steph, we don't give advice.
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  Speaker 2: You never have, we never will.
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  Speaker 1: But if you feel like you want to give any
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  Speaker 1: advice whatsoever, absolutely you're allowed.
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  Speaker 2: To do whatever you lie. But we give that warning
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  Speaker 2: at the start so of people. But that didn't work,
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  Speaker 2: then we can be like, well, it's not real advice.
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  Speaker 1: Occasionally we'll give some medical advice. Yeah, but for legal reasons.
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  Speaker 2: We're not doctors. We're not doctors yet.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, are you working on that?
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: Steph?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go back to the very beginning of time,
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  Speaker 1: back to when you were a lot younger. What was
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: a young Steph Claire Smith? Like, I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: were the kind of person that would be like ducks
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  Speaker 1: of the school.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you take the words out of my mouth?
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  Speaker 2: And I haven't heard the word ducks in a while? I
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  Speaker 2: might throw that out there.
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  Speaker 1: Never got a detention, always got an A plus?
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  Speaker 2: Is that the right picture? On page over to the opposite?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Like I definitely.
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  Speaker 5: I think in the subjects that I enjoyed, I got
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  Speaker 5: along with my teacher and I got good grades, but
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  Speaker 5: I was not academic.
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  Speaker 1: What were those subjects that you liked, like.
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  Speaker 5: Food, take, like studio art that, But no, I definitely
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  Speaker 5: had detentions, more so in primary school a lot of them.
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  Speaker 5: I was actually I was very easily distracted, so I
• 3:02
  Speaker 5: loved drawing, and if I didn't really love a subject,
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  Speaker 5: I just kind of added to this thing that I
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  Speaker 5: called jodd of drawings, which became like little booklets of
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  Speaker 5: random creatures.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still have?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, wow, that's pretty. You're a doodler.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a doodler. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Language, and so detentions were usually just because of that,
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  Speaker 5: and it was kind of a repeat offense.
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  Speaker 2: Seemed like a really bad thing to do. It's like
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  Speaker 2: like you were just drawing a little bit and they're
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  Speaker 2: like detention. Was it a strict school that you went to.
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  Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: And to be fair, you hung out with the vice
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  Speaker 5: principal and everyone loved him. So maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe I did it on purpose. He was a nice guy.
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  Speaker 5: But also there was one that I definitely I do
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  Speaker 5: regret it wasn't a very nice thing, although he was
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  Speaker 5: a bit of a bully himself.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, we're playing four square, and I think.
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  Speaker 2: I called what's four square? Hamble?
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  Speaker 4: Wait?
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  Speaker 2: What hamble? The one that yeah for square Hanble king queen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, two squirrel four square?
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  Speaker 3: Depending on how many feel like a back in primary school, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I'll send you a how to later.
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  Speaker 5: Ye, I missed this and he annoyed me, and I
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  Speaker 5: think I called him a buck tooth, and then I go.
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  Speaker 2: To, wow, that's a fancy.
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  Speaker 4: I was probably seven, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely got your mouth shamed in straight up.
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  Speaker 1: So when you got that detention, would you be more
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  Speaker 1: afraid of telling your mom or your dad? Like who
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  Speaker 1: was more strict?
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  Speaker 4: My mom?
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  Speaker 5: Only just because I feel like my dad was a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a rebel growing up, and so through my
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  Speaker 5: teens as well, like I started drinking before I should have.
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  Speaker 5: I would skip on classes and stuff, And I feel
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  Speaker 5: like my mom she was the youngest of quite a
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  Speaker 5: lot of siblings, and she was a bit of a.
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  Speaker 4: Goodie you I don't want to call it well.
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  Speaker 5: She was good at tue shoes like very very would
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  Speaker 5: have been teacher's pet. Kind of person, and I didn't
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  Speaker 5: really gel with her until I got a bit older.
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  Speaker 4: Always got along with her. Love my mom to bits.
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  Speaker 5: Very grateful for our relationship, but yeah, I didn't really
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  Speaker 5: see myself in her until now I'm a mom and
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, you were the best mum
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  Speaker 5: that I could have asked for, and I want to
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  Speaker 5: be everything like you. But my dad, growing up, I
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  Speaker 5: knew that he was a bit of a rebel and
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  Speaker 5: like just kind of did things his own way, so
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have I feel like he would.
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  Speaker 4: Have understood things like that.
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  Speaker 5: But he was the one I was a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more scared of, Like if I was in trouble at home,
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  Speaker 5: I'd run.
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  Speaker 2: Away from him. From him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but his mom just had the disappointing kind of
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  Speaker 5: yeah wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 5: Like a across the bord a plus student ducks to
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  Speaker 5: the school.
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  Speaker 4: No, I was like sports captain.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. But that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: Did they have to vote you in or you just like.
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  Speaker 5: In primary school they did and then in high school
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  Speaker 5: I kin't of remember how that worked.
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  Speaker 1: So why do you think he didn't gel with your mom?
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  Speaker 1: Was it just like you just didn't click before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was just like, well, like we did,
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  Speaker 4: we got along.
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  Speaker 5: It was never that kind of mum and daughter relationship
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  Speaker 5: where we were like screaming at each other. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think I ever raised my voice at her, but I
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  Speaker 5: just I feel like when she'd find things out, or
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  Speaker 5: like if i'd I don't know, skip school for a
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  Speaker 5: boy or something like that, just didn't really.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like she understood.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, it's just way more sensible. It was like,
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  Speaker 3: why would you do something so irresponsible?
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  Speaker 2: What were you skipping school for? Josh? No, not yet
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: for anyone who doesn't know is your husband?
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  Speaker 4: He is my husband. I was the funny story about that.
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  Speaker 5: I actually my mum found mms texts mms in my
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  Speaker 5: phone bill, which she still look after unless I went over.
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  Speaker 1: Was it like thirty cents mms?
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  Speaker 5: They were to Josh And this is when we were younger.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that was a funny moment. Josh's number, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Josh's What is that of Josh's? Did your mom? Did
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  Speaker 2: your mom have to call the number to find out?
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  Speaker 5: She just knew and she we weren't dating, so she
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  Speaker 5: was a bit like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: So how old were you then?
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  Speaker 4: I think I was like sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what those mmss would have been about.
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  Speaker 1: If you weren't dating then did it take a while
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  Speaker 1: for Josh to caught you or vice versa?
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  Speaker 4: Well, so when we.
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  Speaker 5: Met, I was twelve, and so I think I was
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  Speaker 5: just like too young to go.
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  Speaker 4: There's three years older than me.
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  Speaker 2: So you've only since you were twelve, so it would
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  Speaker 2: have been fifteen. Oh my god, that's a long time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, eighteen years. Yeah my age.
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  Speaker 2: Now one of us were like, oh, we'll work that
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  Speaker 2: out after you've left. Message was eighteen years. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: he's like thirty.
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  Speaker 4: But no, we started dating when I was eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: That is just so he's like that long.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean there was a lot of like flirting
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  Speaker 4: along the way. People went surprised when it happened.
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  Speaker 3: Were their boyfriends in between? Yeah, okay, it wasn't like
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  Speaker 3: it was like no, they's a notebook and he was.
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  Speaker 2: Like waiting in the rain six years. So when was
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  Speaker 2: the moment that the penny dropped? Then?
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  Speaker 5: For you and Josh, it was basically the first time
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  Speaker 5: we were both away together because we both have property
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  Speaker 5: up on the Moor River and that's where we spent
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the time because our families did up there,
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  Speaker 5: and it was basically the long weekend up there that
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  Speaker 5: we were both single. It was the first time we
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  Speaker 5: spin in.
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  Speaker 4: The bottle there.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely spin the bottles that weekend. Did he make the
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  Speaker 2: move or did you make the move?
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was just that we were both very
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  Speaker 5: much aware that something was going to happen that weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I remember going on the jet ski. Actually, there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Better afrodisiac than no.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry, listen, it's just a technical listening. Ash is getting
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  Speaker 2: a little bit you said, jet ski. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in for the ride.
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  Speaker 5: And it was just you know, in the way that
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  Speaker 5: we were hovering each other. But it was like it's
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  Speaker 5: on tonight.
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  Speaker 4: It is on.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly was for anyone who has a crush out there
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  Speaker 1: not sure how to like make it come in our house,
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  Speaker 1: got a jet ski.
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  Speaker 3: The way he held me on that jet ski, that
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  Speaker 3: is that's very good.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna have to finish this up now.
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  Speaker 1: And do you remember when you're getting a little bit older,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, you know, around your early twenties, did you
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  Speaker 1: and Josh discuss openly the thought of having kids and
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: what that plan looked like earlier on.
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  Speaker 4: I think, I mean, we were really lucky.
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  Speaker 5: We traveled a lot together and had all of those
• 9:56
  Speaker 5: kind of experiences in our life really early, which was
• 9:59
  Speaker 5: really nice. So I think soon after that we were
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: both talking back getting married and like getting engaged and
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: what engaged at them, and then yeah, kids was something
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  Speaker 5: I wanted from a pretty young age, but because I
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  Speaker 5: was full time modeling, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, I'll just wait till a little bit older.
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  Speaker 5: And then Kick my Business happened, and it just felt
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  Speaker 5: like the right time when it did.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: With Harvey, how long were you dating before he dropped
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  Speaker 3: in there? And actually two part question and how did
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  Speaker 3: he do it?
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  Speaker 5: So two thousand and eighteen we were engaged and we
• 10:31
  Speaker 5: started dating in two thousand and eleven or twelve, Ok, yeah, seven.
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  Speaker 2: Years see my mask work. Then well, thank you, I'm learning.
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  Speaker 4: And it was such a lovely surprise.
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  Speaker 5: We'd actually just launched the app, the Kick app, and
• 10:48
  Speaker 5: it was a really big moment and we were really.
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  Speaker 4: It was just it was awesome.
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  Speaker 5: It went to the top of the Apple charts on
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: the night of launch, and we went out to celebrate.
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  Speaker 5: And when I say we met and my business partner
• 11:00
  Speaker 5: Laura Henshaw and Josh and her partner Dot we all
• 11:04
  Speaker 5: went out for dinner and they got us, well they
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: got me this, Well, no, they got us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was for Laura and I this like voucher to
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: go away and spend the weekend away, and it was
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: supposed to just be celebrating and like we're getting the
• 11:17
  Speaker 5: chopper there.
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  Speaker 4: It was very very bougie.
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  Speaker 5: And then the weekend came around and it was the
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: worst weather ever, like really windy, really rainy, and so
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: the chopper got canceled. But what I didn't know was
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: it was all a set up and they both totally
• 11:33
  Speaker 5: knew about it, and all of our friends and family
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: were up the river waiting for me. Basically, so Josh said,
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: change of plans. The chopper is now picking you up
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: from the farm and then it's going to take you
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: to the place because the weather's so Dalton's driving to
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  Speaker 5: the river and he's never been there before and he
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: was driving like an idiot. But we were just so excited.
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  Speaker 5: In the back, I was like, this is gonna be
• 11:53
  Speaker 5: the best way ever.
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  Speaker 4: I was totally.
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  Speaker 5: Distracted and then we pull up and I get out
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: of the car and I see John and he wasn't
• 12:00
  Speaker 5: meant to be there, like we were just meant to
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: be getting the chopper there, and I was like, why.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: Is he Every time you say the chopper, I could
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  Speaker 3: just see it, and.
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  Speaker 4: I just it's fine.
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  Speaker 5: And so he was standing out there and I was like,
• 12:14
  Speaker 5: what's Josh doing here? And then all of a sudden,
• 12:16
  Speaker 5: Dol just drives off on me and it's a pretty
• 12:18
  Speaker 5: long driveway, and You're like, motherfucker, he just left me.
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: I think I started to put two and two together then,
• 12:25
  Speaker 5: and then you just have this awkward leg Do we
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  Speaker 5: walk or run towards each other?
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: It would be nice. I've had a jed ski by THEO.
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't know, but yeah, our family and friends
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: were like in the house apparently like peeking out watch
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: And then we went back to the house after it happened,
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  Speaker 5: and I said yes, And first of all, our family
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: came out and that was a lovely surprise. But then yeah,
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: all like closest friends and one of mine who's like
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: assisted to me, flew over from.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: New Zealand to be there for it, and it was
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: just the best weekend.
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: Ever, like that night we had a movie and popcorn
• 13:03
  Speaker 5: on the deck like outside, and he's very good.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: It really is very good. Yeah, that's that's good. That's good.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're listening and literally haven't done it, yeah,
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: Josh Miller.
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: Nice because it was where we met, where we first kissed.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Full circle, was the Jetski still there?
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: Forget the family?
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: What were the questions then that you and Josh would
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: ask in order to figure out that it was the
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: right time to have a family.
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  Speaker 4: So from there it was a couple of years until
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: we had Harvey.
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: But to be honest, we always kind of imagined we
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: got on our honeymoon and we'd start trying then and then.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: That soon yeah straight up.
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, our honeymoon wasn't straight after it was going
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: to be because we got married in November twenty nineteen.
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: Our honeymoon was supposed to be the holidays in Australia
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: in Europe, but then COVID hit in like March, so
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: we went into lockdown and didn't have that, and so
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: I think the timing was just Okay, there's a couple
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: of things happening with Kick, we'll get through that. And
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: obviously it's COVID, so who knows when we're going to
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: get to Italy. But we both really wanted a family,
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: so we're like Italy or no, Italy will still try. Wow, okay,
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: and fortunately for us it didn't take long.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, as two men, we're quite if you're not
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: aware ash myself, but we're very lucky and that when
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: it comes time to having a family. Well for me anyway,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: the big question Mike, and what makes me nervous is
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: what happens as soon as baby is born. Like, we
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry too much about pregnant practice, just.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: To practice leading into it, that's all we've got to
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: worry about.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Getting some nice visuals. Sorry, what's it like for yourself?
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned before that you've got your fitness app.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: You know, you're a model, so you're in a profession.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: We two professions that are like very dependent.
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: On how ability and how I look.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, So then what's it like for you to process?
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: What impact will pregnancy have on me?
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I think I went into it probably naively, thinking like
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: it'll be fine, Everything's going to be fine. And fortunately
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: I felt really healthy throughout my pregnancy, so there was
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: still a lot that I could do.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: My routine didn't have to change too much.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: Again, it was COVID lockdown so for my entire pregnancy,
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: so I didn't have my usual lifestyle where I was
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: like flying up to Sydney or Queensland all the time
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: to different shoots or going overseas for different things. It
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: was in my house the whole time. So in that regard,
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: it was okay with my body. I think I'm just
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: really fortunate in the timing that it happened for me.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Like if I was pregnant in my early twenties, when
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I was the most insecure about my body, I would
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: have probably.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Really stressed about what's going to happen to it?
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: How am I going to get it back or whatever.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: But the bounce back culture, it makes me so mad,
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: especially with all the work that we do with Kick
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: and everything. I've personally in the work with myself. As
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: soon as I was pregnant and I started to look into,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: you know, safe ways to exercise, I started to see
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: and get targeted with all of these ads for postpartum
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and like get bouncing back and everything, And I've got
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: so angry because I know plenty of women who have
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: unfortunately had really hard pregnancies where they had to stop
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: exercise altogether or eat really differently, or even if they
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: could move their entire pregnancy, they still you know, gained
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: weight as you do, their body changed. And then there's
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the postpartum period, which are most to be supposed to
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: be the most delicate on yourself and like really ease
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: back into it. But women are pressure to like.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Bounce back quick like we did before.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and I've never heard of it being referred
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: to as bounce back culture.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember, like as a kid, my mum used
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to always get who weekly magazines and it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Was always where is it going?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It was just always on, like the kitchen jay well,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you'd have breakfast and you flick through. And
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I remember being younger and it was so celebrated that
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: if someone bunce back as quickly.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: As everyone was like, yeah, like what are achievement? This
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: is great?
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: And it's just it's different for everyone, and a lot
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: of women never bounce back, and that's just the thing.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: So I think for me, it's what got me really
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: really passionate about being able to connect with that part
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: of our community and making sure that everything that we
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: did from kickside was to just nurture and like educate
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: them on that period.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: And it's all well and good that you want to
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: get back to moving.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Your body, but you just it's so dangerous to jump
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: back into things just for aesthetic reasons as well. Yeah, because,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: as I said, some people never go back to what
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: they had before, and that's totally okay, but if you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: not in that mindset.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: That could be really hard.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife is one of those people that, after
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: two kids, wanted to get back moving pretty much immediately
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: for our own mental health as well. It wasn't just
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: for the not bounce back culture, which was like I
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: want to feel like me again.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And I can imagine there's a lot of people out
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: there that go So you go.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Through nine months, have been told okay, we'll look for
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: your health, you need to maybe not move, and then
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: you have a traumatic birth or you've got a difficult baby.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, two three years go past.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: You can imagine losing motivation, like I'll lose motivation after
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a week. I'm not doing exactly. I can't imagine two
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: years of.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: A woman who's given birth gone through so much trauma
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: and then been expected to be like, well, you need
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: to find that motivation again and put that pressure put
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: on them on top of everything else I can't imagine.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it is, and I think that's why. I mean,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: for me anyway, it was taking baby steps. I did
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: have the added pressure of like knowing that eventually I'm
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: going to have to shoot workouts again, so I need
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: to build my strength up.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: But to your point, it was also a mental thing
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I enjoy moving my body and I enjoy having that
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: time for myself, and I'm a pretty cranky person if
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: I don't. It's not a daily thing for me, Like
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I don't have to do a workout every day, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: my routine certainly looks very different now being a mum
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: to what it did before. But I've come to accept
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: that because I do what I can, and you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: my workouts might be fifteen minutes now, yeah I haven't.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: That's totally you find yourself squeezing it in where you can,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I suppose, yeah, but.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: It's still I think for me, it's like I'm still
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: doing something for me even if it's fifteen minutes. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I don't have forty so I'm not
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: going to do anything at all.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That's exactly my Yeah, you just eat the nail on
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the head with me straight away. I'll be like, oh,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I've got twenty minutes workouts. Usually I'll go to the bathroom.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: How did you plan it then? As well?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I know, I look at Laura running a small business.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You don't have the luxury of having like an extended
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: period of time going into having a baby. How did
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you plan that knowing what the impact would be running
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a small business?
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think again with the timing with.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I think where Kick was at and where the team
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: was at and what we were working on, and also
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: COVID being in Melbourne particularly, we just felt like it
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: was oh yeah, forever, Like it was exhausting how many
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: press conferences we'd get excited about and then just feel
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: really let down. And so everyone was just kind of
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: like this could be years or it could be next week,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: who knows.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Every day it was about the numbers. So I remember, yes.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And so I think we just came to a point
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: where we were like, this is something we really really
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: want and who knows what's going to happen with the world,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: so we can't just keep putting it off for the
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: unknown and we'll work it out.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So does that mean it was only Josh in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: room then for the obviously for the conception, thank.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You, that's right, it was only him because of lockdown.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: For the birth.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, for the birth, no, actually really really well it
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: was just Josh. But luckily they let me have a
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: close friend of mine who ended up taking photos of
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: the birth, which I'm so glad I pushed for because
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: it was like some of the photos I just I
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: think it's crazy to be able to look back at,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: but yeah, she almost wasn't because it was very very
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: the scans, Like, we were really lucky where we went.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: It was probably the only place that I knew of
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: in our area that actually allowed the partner to go
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: in for the scans, and I couldn't have imagined doing that,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: like thirteen week scan, the scariest one really without him.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: So very grateful that he could be there for that,
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: because yeah, I heard some other stories of people going
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: into birth alone and labor alone.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: And oh it must be so so tough, like, yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: it was such a strange.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Is it such a strange?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: When Marley was born, I was like, it wants to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: come in. I was like, my mum was there? She
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: forgot to ask Laurah, Yeah, it was I was like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: did I not mention my.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Mum's coming into the room and as she lives with you, Yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I wish I had forgot to mention as well. She
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: still doesn't know. It's all good.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So then what was the conversation like with Josh because
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: when I look at you guys, now, you guys have
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a really amazing setup in terms of equal share parenting.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Was that always the case? Did you guys go into
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: parenthood being like this is how the dynamic.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Is going to work?
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So we definitely had a conversation about it, probably
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of conversations about it. But we both were
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: in another business that we exited soon after Harvey's birth,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: but that we had planned to exit as well, So
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: we knew that Josh was going to have a lot
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: more time up his sleeve because outside of that he
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: kind of just did content creation at that point. Prior
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: to that, he was a project manager for his stats
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: shop fitting company, and he left that because he just
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: had He's so creative and just felt like it wasn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: suiting him.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: So that business was great, but we were ready to leave.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And then Kick was just kind of on the upwards
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: and I had no interest in stepping back, Like I
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: definitely wanted to take my time with Harvey and to
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: just see how that felt. Because I was a bit
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: of a guinea pig lawa on my business partner. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: hadn't had a kid, We didn't really know what that
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: was going to happen, and so she I mean, it
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: was brilliant. I think being able to work with your
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: best friend and for her to allow me to have
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: that time and for us to be patient with that
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: was really great and just kind of communicated over the
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: years and if I needed to come back for more
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: time or yeah, whenever I needed something really easy to
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: talk to about.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: How long did you have off with Harvey before you
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and Josh had that conversation where it's like, Okay, well
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I need to get back to it because it's your
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: your you know, Harve's your baby but also kicks your
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: baby as well.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: How long?
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: It was always the plan, so like we knew I
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: was going to be going back, but it was more.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: So I kept saying to.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Him, like, if you you know, start to be a
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: stay at home dad, and it just doesn't fulfill you
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: or it doesn't like feel good. You have to just
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: talk to me, because we have other options, like we
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: can get at the different things and you can get
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: back into something else. Like I really encouraged that in him,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: but it was something he really wanted to do and
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: he really enjoyed it, and he's had there's been times
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: where it's been really challenging for him. And also because
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of his friends they've only just kind of
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: started having kids now, so a lot of his friends
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: were kind of still in that lifestyle of not having.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Kids, which makes it really hard.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: It's really really so I wouldn't understand as well, And
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: like I still have friends that don't have kids now,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and it's like they're like, hey, come serve And I
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: was like, I've got to watch Macie and they're like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: can't you watch yourself?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Brochus like too.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: And I think it was also even just some of
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the comments, like if he'd had a really hard day
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: with Harvey, he might say that he was tired or something,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: and his friend who hadn't had a kid yet might
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: be like, oh, mate, like you got it easy or whatever.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, you just don't get it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: But the other thing is is like which I think
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: there needs to be more of, like the communities of dads,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: because I know that it is happening more where there
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: is a lot more balance with the dynamic at home
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and who's staying at home. But if I was staying
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: at home, like I connected with other mums and there
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: was like mum communities very easily for me to make
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: and whether it was like through the council or just
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: food people, I knew there was other moms I knew
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: that weren't working in the day.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: That I could go for coffee or catch up with
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: the park with.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: For Josh, that didn't exist existing, so it was pretty isolating.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I think for.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Him was his network then of support.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Honestly, some of my friends, like my girlfriends and me,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: I mean like his friends were great. But yeah, as
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I said, they've only kind of just started having kids.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't have understood that a complexity at all.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean I was really lucky we.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Had a really good mother's group which the dads were
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: all like real supportive and we're still with them now.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So I can imagine like him, like I know, when
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I have one day with the kids like which I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: have like with Macy twice a week.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: It's just our day.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: It's like you're looking for someone the kids, Yeah, to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: be like let's hang out, because you know.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Just being in the presence of another parent to make
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: such a difference.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because you could be like they're sort of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the kids are sort of entertaining themselves. You can be like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, like someone watching.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like so true.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: He actually recently, probably six months ago, met a dad at.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: The park.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And he took his jet ski down And.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I'm so happy that James.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: His name is shout out to James James.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Ja gave Josh's number because his kid Mac just got
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: along with Harvey so well, and he was like, we've
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: just moved to the area. He doesn't really have any
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: other friends, and I've never seen him get along so
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: quickly with another kid. So that's really nice because now
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: we know that Harvey's got a friend near us, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: then we really get along with his parents, which is
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: great because there is also some parents that like Harvey's
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: really friends with, maybe someone at daycare or like through
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: something else, and I just don't jel well with the parents.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always awkward. Yeah, Look, I avoid new friends
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: good enough.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Time with my actual close friends that I making new
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: ones that don't necessarily We.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Told that story about remember April that someone moved into
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: our old complex and this guy approached my wife in
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the park in the complex because the kids were getting
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: on and was like asking for my wife's number and stuff.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And then she was like she got home, she was like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: what do we do? I was like, ignore him, So
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we ignored him.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It's hard making friends as an adult, it is. It's hard.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It's like dating all over again. You're going to make
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: sure the kids get along, that you get along.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: If you got jet skis bro.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Stay at home dad? Did you take to it like
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: duck toward I know you said he had some troubles.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: But those who we spoke about who don't have kids
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: don't understand how that's a full day's work. You might
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: think that's easy, it's just a kid, But it's like
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: having like I said, it's like having a drunk person
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: all the time. They're incoherent, they're moody, they can barely walk,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: they never want to eat.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I can imagine. So do you remember do.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You remember the parts early on that were the hardest
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: when it came to parenting.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Early on, I think sleep deprivation sucked, like that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Turned me into the worst person, the worst version of myself.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: What period was the hardest? Do you think I.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Reckon between like three months and like five months where
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: they're not just like newborns anymore. They can like sleep
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: in the daylight, They're a lot more aware, aware of everything,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: and harder to get down and kind of waking up
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: through the night still, And I think the adrenaline and
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: magic of the newborn days is kind of.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: What not by that point. So I remember that phase
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: being really hard.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: But the best thing is is because Josh wasn't working
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: in that period really hard nights, because I was feeding
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: a lot, like really hard nights, he could tap in
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: if he ever needed settling without a feed.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Josh could tap in.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And I know for people who like work a full
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: time job, being the person getting up with your partner,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: that's not always going to work out, because.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: At least one of your needs for refresh the next day.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: When I hear parents talk about the fact that well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: if I'm up ub up as well, I'm like, no.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Bad pa.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And I did that early on with my first but
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: then learned for my second where I slept in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: lounger in for six months.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It was the best.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: See And I think you just got to find what works,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: because I had friends who did that, who literally slept
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: in separate rooms with their part from it was the
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: first year, just because then at least in the morning
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: for the really early morning wake, you know, the partner
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: who had a really good sleep was kind of up
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: and could take them and they could.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Get a couple more hours or something. You do. You
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: have to find what works.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: But I think on some of the really tough nights,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: it was nice to know that he was there and
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: then even throughout the next day, Like if I was
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: absolutely from the night before, he was there to support
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: me the.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Next day, and I just yeah, that support was everything.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: So I think by the time I was going back
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: to work and I did a gradual I was online
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: a lot at the start, like I started.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Recording the pop for the podcast and stuff.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I think two months Wow, Wow.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: I just I loved that. So I was doing that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: We shot for workouts and stuff probably five months postpartum,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: and then we had events pretty early on because we
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: launched Kickbump, which is our pre and post natal offering
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: when Harvey was like two weeks old, so I was there.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: So there was elements that idea, but that's.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: The reality of running a small business.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And a lot of pr and stuff. That all happened
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: really early.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And it was probably around the five or six month
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: mark where I started going back into the actual office
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: for like a day or two and then online for
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: another day.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Started with three days, eventually worked up to four, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: then eventually went to full time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And what made it easier than coming out of that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: five month phase with sleep? Was it just that you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: were just in an acclimatized environment or do you guys
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: get help in We did.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: End up doing some sleep training, which is it's really
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: funny because I'm thinking, like, you know, when it's time,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: if we are so fortunate to have another like what
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I would want to do second time around?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you do differently?
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: I think like there was just some stuff that didn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: like feel right to my gut with the sleep training
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: that you just hit.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: It the ah. I was traumatized by the first visit.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just like can.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: You remember what it was?
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Just letting him cry really killed me.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: And like, you know, the person who which I won't
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: talk about, but you know, they would kind of be like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: you'll the cries when they're like kind of putting it
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: on versus like when they're actually hysterical. But it just
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: felt wrong to wait for him to get hysterical. INTER mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: so I think I would do a kind of in
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: between approach, which some of my friends did do, which
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: was that they would go back in not necessarily pick
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: them back up and like fully resettled, but like I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: here and then kind of walk out again, but like
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: just keep going back and reassuring. I think we'd probably
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: find something like that, because that's probably the one thing that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I was a bit like, I don't know if I enjoyed.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Thatsh The annoying thing is is it did work in
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: a ways, and like he was a pretty independent sleeper.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I could put him down awake and he would go
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: to sleep, and that was really good.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: But the funny thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Is is I did all that because I read all
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: this stuff about like if you rock them to sleep,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: or the two attached to you at night, or you
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: co sleep or anything like that, they'll be co sleeping
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: with you when they're todder and forever. He's now a
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: toddler and with me, I can't put him down, like
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I have to be in his bed.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: If I'm also I'm alone, he'll end up in my bed.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Do you have to I always thank the grace of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: God that my children aren't the ones that require me
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to be in bed with them. Do you have to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like literally going to be there touching him to him
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: full asleep?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Well now at the moment in the phase that we're in,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and I'm.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So sorry in a lot lately.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got some friends are the same that like
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: got a I think, what's five in this to going through.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Another phase like that?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And I think we definitely had a little phase like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: that too, but not at three and I feel four hour.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like it is what he hasn't always.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Been like that, And I think the frustrating part is
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: very different to me to be is to Josh. So
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: like Josh can go through bedtime and he'll go down
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: and he'll say good night, data, love you and walk
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: out and I watched the monitor and I'm like you
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: because you know, and then he'll also sleep through whereas
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: nights that I've put him down. Yeah, he pushed bedtime
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: so much like you'll find everything else to do to
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: stay awake, which I think also it plays with my
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: heartstrings because he's got Josh a lot more than he
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: has me, and so I think it is a little
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: bit like I've got you, I don't want you to
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: go spend more time with me, So that kills me
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: a little bit. But you know, bedtime will take a
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: really really long time eventually when I've talked him into
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: going to bed, which at the moment it's not happening,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: which is killing me. The other night, I was home
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: alone and it got to past eight o'clock and I
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: ended up just.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Putting him in my bed because I was like, yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: to eat, and I actually need.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: To get resistance.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: What does what does are you really routine with him?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Like your bedtime routine? Is it the same every time I.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Try to This is Josh's point to me, because he's
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: this pretty like clockwork.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: But I think he's also like he's worked out.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Some tricks that if he feels that Harvey's about to
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: get distracted or like push away or something, He'll just
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: like start telling me a story and like just butt
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: in and just talk grab a Harvey and like get
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: him distructive.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: But for me, it's like it's pretty set like this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: The order is all the same, you know, the amount
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: of books might be different.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Where he wants to read his book. I don't know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I try in my head, it's me picking my battles.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with like him losing it, but it's probably me
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: being a little bit.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Especially if you're you've Josh's got a majority of time
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: obviously with him, and then you're coming home from from
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: your busy date. You want, like you said, you want
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: to extend that time with him. You might be like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: why don't we do three books? Yeah, it's but this
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: isn't for you, this is me.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: And then it gets to like, know, he gets into
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: bed and it's I want to takehim one's truck bed, No,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: not taking him instructed.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: And then I'm starting to be like, oh my god, I.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Need to eat.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I'm really stimulated right now. So yeah, it's really tough
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: at the moment bedtimes. And I think it's just funny
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: because I reflect back on like all this independent sleep
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: stuff that we did when he was so young, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: I'm like, kids are just going to do what I wanted. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: some of them are going to need more attachment at
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: than others, and that's it is what it is.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: They're small for only a short period of their lives and.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Over that time where you're back at work full time,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: let's call it. What about the relationship between you and Josh.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: How how did that differ? Was there any significant impacts
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: that you thought?
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: I think for us, it was just that our lives
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: were wildly different. I mean, COVID was one shift in
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: our lifestyle, but then having a kid and the business
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: kind of going up a level and needing me a
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: lot more full time meant that, Yeah, a lot of
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: this kind of like spontaneous exciting opportunities and stuff that
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: we used to kind of go with weren't really happening,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: and so that was kind of hard.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And I think for him he was also his.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Whole life had fully, fully fully changed into full time
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: dad mode and not really necessarily getting to be creative
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: or working with different people.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: His battery is charged off of other people.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: So like if we used to run events, or what
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: about him being there and like hosting it and like
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: getting people there, that's just what bied him up doing.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: None of that really shifted him.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: But we've always kind of been like he just wants
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: more time with me, and like it's he's just the best,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: but he just wants to spend more time with me
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: and missed me and misses me. And for me, it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: like I work with people all day and I get
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: really exhausted at work and then I'll come home and
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: if I have the time with Harvey, I pour everything
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: into that and then I'm drained.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: It's hard to fill everyone's cup as well, including your own.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Including your own.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hate to pry into your personal life,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but I have wanted to ask your question about one
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: aspect of your personal life. And it's something that Laura
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and I try to take inspiration from. We didn't do
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it that well. You're thirty days of intimacy.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, actually, yeah, a good shout.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: How did that come about and how has it changed
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you after you did the experiment?
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the experiment was thirty days of intimacy and
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: for me, like our libidos are different, Josh, this is
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: a lot higher than mine, and I think it was
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: for us it was just making sure that we made
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: time for each other and like connected like that because
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: it just wasn't happening as much and It didn't mean
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: like sex all the way. It was just like even
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: just being affectionate with one another. We're kind of just
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: roommates on most days. So it was really good for that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: There was it was really hard, like for me as well.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I was last two days a lot, two days, what ages.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: It was hard, But.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: I think that actually the best part about it was
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: when you know you're going to have sex with someone.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: The best part about it, But it's just the.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Way you treat each other just in the day in general.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: If you know you're going to.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Have sex with them, you don't want to be picking
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: a fight over who didn't do this just washer or what.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Happens depends what you're into.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: We didn't because I you know, I'm not into doing it.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I'm annoyed of his stuff.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: And so it was kind of good because yeah, you
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: were a little bit more affection even outside of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: action it's itself, and that was a really nice habit
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: to build.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: So after the thirty days, did we even continue in
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: every day?
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not like it dropped back down to maybe like
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: once or twice a week pretty quickly, but it just,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it just felt really good to do
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: and it was a nice remind.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Did you feel like on those like, because obviously let's
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: just put sex up here for a moment, but did
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you feel after those thirty days that you connected better
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: on all of these other levels?
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: I think so, and just like having more time like
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: that together. It didn't have to be sex, but just intimately.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally yeah. Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Did you see it even did you see it as
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a chore were you're like, oh, fuck, it's like I did, yeah,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: because for us it was like it's for one of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a better analogy. It's like that load of washing that
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know you have to put on at the end
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: of the day. You're like, oh, fuck, I've got to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: like I've got to do the.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Washing, or like when you put it on too late
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: and you'reize, fuck, I better hang an hour.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It's kind of stink take that, do you know what
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: But do you feel like that in the beginning?
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: But I think like even just in general, not within
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: that challenge, there's days where I.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Can't be bothered, and then we do it and I'm like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: why do we do them?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: All?
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: So you definitely like you've worked that out pretty quickly
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: in the challenge is like it felt like that at
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: the start, but then as soon as you got into
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: the habit of it, you knew how good it felt afterwards.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: But it's so easy and to get into that routine
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of just not being intimate, like well, Laura and I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: will have just like a split second pet good night,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and then we've rolled to separate.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Ends of the bed and then that's it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And then you did that the first night, second night,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh shit, it's been a month, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: we do get like we do.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: It's actually we're probably really insightful for our listeners because
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: we do get listeners saying, hey, what do you do
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: in that roommate phase? Because everyone goes through it? Absolutely,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: everyone with kids go through it because you are so exhausted,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: And we talked about filling carps because you could go
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: to like families that both parents work, like April and
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I both kids go to daycare.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: You're all tired when you get home. And it's like,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's the non critical part, really yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and like it's so easy to get stuck in there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: So I mean, thirty days of intimacy, you're building a habit, right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's a look that's not for everyone, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I think even I think just being okay with scheduling
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: it in in a way, like not putting it in
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: the calendar, but just knowing, like my.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Wife couldut it in the calendar.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: When he got to the eighth when he was having
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: a nap a day, it was like, Okay, Saturday's midday,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: that's our.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Time because we for it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: That's on because it was the weekend, so I wasn't
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: going to be stressed from work or like tired from work,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: and it could be in the day, which is great.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: We're not exhausted, and he was going to be a slate,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: so I haven't.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Had a big dinner either. I don't know.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's okay.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Like, yes, our sex lives looked different when we wouldn't
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: have to think about things like that.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay. That's still I.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Think scheduling it in as parents is pretty legit.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Like the other day, we're talking about it on an
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: episode and like it's nice for it to be spontaneous,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, the reality is like, yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: it's like Friday, Saturday night.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It's a kind of like Sunday. Everyone's too worried about
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: work on Monday night. Yeah, it's a Sunday research. We
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: can't do it today exactly.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I do have to say congratulations for what you and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Laura have achieved with Kick. It's unbelievable, unbelievable, and I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: can't even begin to imagine how busy you must be.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Does that play a big role in deciding whether or
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: not you'll have a second Yeah, I.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: So recently I've been able to have a bit more
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: flexibility in my role. There was some stuff that I
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: was kind of holding my role that wasn't necessarily my
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: skill sets or not that I couldn't do them, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: it just didn't need to be me. There was some
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: It meant that I couldn't create as much content as
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: I wanted for the brand, or like network as much
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: as I wanted for the brand. All this stuff where
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: I really do had a lot of value, and so
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: we worked through that and the team are in a
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: fantastic place at the moment.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: They're working so well together, which is awesome.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: It's meaning that I do have a little bit more
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: flexibility now, so I am spending a little bit more
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: time with Harvey and at.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Home and yeah, we definitely want a second.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: And I think, wow, yeah, it's definitely I've worked out
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: now how now that I've done it once and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: can see it with one, I know the step to
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: have two is very different. But I think by the
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: time that would happen happy before anyway at least, so
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's just it's been a nice right.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Three of us, and you're fine with the set with
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: your second us we've had two. It's kind of like
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: job experience, right, You've had the job experience and then
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: you like, get a new job, but you've done that's
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: exactly the same job just about and you're like, I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: found that you're way more relaxed.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: And you know what the you know, when you have
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: your first kid and they're so little now you look
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: out for the signs, it's like, what the fuck.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is that? And then now with the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: second kid, you like, there it is. You just know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's the thing is that the hardest
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: parts for me weren't in like losing myself or losing my.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Life that I had before or whatever.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: It was more just being anxious that I was doing
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: the right thing or that I was reading the right
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: way or like, so, I think because I will feel
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: a little bit more comfortable going into it second time around.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I'm hoping it will feel yeah, damn good because I
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: love being a moment. So it's my favorite hat that
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: I wear, hands down.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's awesome. And Harvey he's three now. Yes,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I believe he is doing some time at day care.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: How was that transition? Probably mainly for yourself, of course,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: but for Josh spending every day with him and then
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: having to go, well, I want you to interact with
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: kids your age as well. How was that transition?
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Josh did the first drop off, which was actually okay
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: because he was excited, but then the next drop off
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: was like hell and he knew yeah because he knew.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: So Josh found that really really hard. Like I remember
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: him like sobbing in the car and he just called
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: me and.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this is really hard.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: And I found it hard to because I wanted to
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: be there for it, but I just couldn't with work.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: So I actually didn't do drop off for probably four
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: or five months of him being there, and then.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I got to do it. So I was lucky. He
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: had a bit of practice, but it was very different.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Did you do it strategically so that it was like
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: it was it was like same with your routine. It's
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Josh dropping every time.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: May yes, but also with the time that I leave
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: for work, it's just yeah, it would have been just
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I could have definitely drop him off earlier,
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: but it just worked for us that way, and I
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: never finished in time to pick him up, and so
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: when I was able to drop him off, it was
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: really hard because then I experienced that whole drop off.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: And yeah, he's only just got to a period now
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: with me. I've dropped him off more often now on
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Thursdays is my day where I drop him off, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: he's used to it now, so it's finally good. But
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: for a long time, oh yeah, I hate that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And we all go we all go through those days.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Like we've spoken about a day where I got back
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: in the car to look back and Oscar was looking
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: through the fence and.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, I remember I went back and got him. Yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and I spent the day, you idiot, he tricked me.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Funny.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: We went to Fiji recently, which was amazing, and everyone
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  Speaker 5: was talking about how the daycares that the hotels are
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  Speaker 5: amazing and.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just so good for kids.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: But we dropped him off, well, I dropped him off
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: and that was the worst drop off ever. Like he
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: was hysterical and the only reason I walked away was
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: because there was another kid there that he met the
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: first night.
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  Speaker 4: He was a bit older, and he was such a
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: sweet kid.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: He obviously was like an older brother or something or
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: wanted to be, and he took Harvey under his wing,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: and I was, I reckon the second I leave, he's
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: going to be okay. But I was actually had a
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: spa appointment, which Josh was also meant to join me up,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: but he wasn't feeling well. We both got Astra on
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: that trip, we all three of us actually, and I
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: called him and I was like, I just don't feel
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: right and he was like I'm already putting my clothes on,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Like I don't feel right either, And so I got
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: into the spar a moment. Josh got there probably ten
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: minutes after I'd dropped him off, and he was still
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: way breaks my heart, but yeah, so then that what
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: made it hard is we moved hotels and tried the
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: daycare thing again, and he was just like happening. And
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: you know what, I get it. It's a hard age.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: I think three, because he's highly aware that he has
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: no idea who these people are. You've never been in
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: this environment before. Why am I here alone?
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Whereas like the older kids were like yeah, fun, like there's.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: A playground, it's good to be away from you.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, babies there just like oh someone passed me around
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: and yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: So yeah it was it was tough normal daycare. Now
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: we're in a good place.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: It is tough for any parent. Like we joke about
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: it all the time. How it's it's such a swift
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: drop off now, but you have those days still.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, they don't want to go.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, breaks your heart sometimes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask with the kickapp, I mean
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: myself and Ash, we've not used it before.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Needs a transformation your words, not mine.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: If anyone did want to try out the kickapp, how
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  Speaker 1: can they do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 4: So, actually we have a free month code for your listeners.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, next time you see me, I'm going to be jays.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There's plenty And even in our events, a lot of
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: people bring their partners and stuff like that, and they
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: get into it, especially with home workouts. I feel like, look,
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: it's not targeted towards men, but like it's not like
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: specialized for women.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you could definitely get a lot out
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: of the workouts.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Why at me?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: All right? To me?
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  Speaker 4: I think the code's Dad's and it'll get anyone listening
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  Speaker 4: a whole month free to check it out.
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  Speaker 5: But you just have to go to our website, which
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• 48:07
  Speaker 2: You like, Wow, the new improved as Wicks. I can't wait.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to recognize me no time.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I probably do one day and I'll be like, O, Steph.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: One last question before you go, because I know you
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: have to get to the airport. You have a flight
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to catch, so just quickly. When Harvey is grown up
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and he's no longer living with you, is there anything
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that you would want him to remember about the house
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that he grew up in, Just.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: That it was filled with love and.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Fun, I think is my I think I'm really fortunate
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: that I have a lot of fond memories from my
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: childhood and I'm really close with my parents now, I'm
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: really close with my brother, and I love being able
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: to reflect, like anytime people are talking about anything nostalgic,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: like anything child like, let me chat about me.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: So I just I hope that yeah, he lights up
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: what he.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Thinks of memories at home with the both of us,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: and that we can keep the bond that we have
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: right now because I'm utterly obsessed with him.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Oh lovely, that's very nice. Keep doing such a great job.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us too, and good
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: luck for when it is time for number two.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, good luck with the logistics of that. Let me
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: sell it to you. So thanks, thanks so much for listening.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Ash were always talking about getting jet skis, but.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I still stand by that. I think we need to
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: definitely get those jet skis. Let's just get one and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I can hold onto your tired body and that note,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: we're going to get out of here.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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