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The Marvelous Ms. Marvels from Marvel · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Five more cooling in the containment chamber. To your stations,
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  Speaker 1: we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm here to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative.
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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm your prime fanatic, George.
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  Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live via digital recording back
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  Speaker 5: in the Oddity Studios. It has been a weird run lately.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Things have kind of sucked in regular life. I won't
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  Speaker 5: go into all of them. Some of which, if you're
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  Speaker 5: on Facebook, you may have seen. There's a whole nother
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  Speaker 5: horrible thing I didn't post on there because it's bigger
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  Speaker 5: and more horrible. And so, yeah, terrible things. But I
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  Speaker 5: won't go into those and drag the show down, hopefully.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say I'm in the process of all
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  Speaker 5: these ridiculous, terrible things happening. I'm reassessing life in general.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously you're listening to this, so I've decided this
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  Speaker 5: is important.
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  Speaker 1: I want to keep doing this. The thing I'm going to.
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  Speaker 5: Throw out there to people is what do you want
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  Speaker 5: us to do? Because I'm to the point of like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't... There's a lot of stuff I used to
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  Speaker 5: kind of worry about with the show or try to
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  Speaker 5: do with the show. And as time went on, I went,
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  Speaker 5: I don't really care. So I'm to the point now,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just like, I'm just going to do what I
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  Speaker 5: want to do, which is why we're here doing this.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: And why we just did the Horror Club episode. Not
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  Speaker 5: that I like... Hanging out with my friends and talking
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  Speaker 5: about movies.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 5: So if you guys want anything else, like there was
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  Speaker 5: a thing I was supposed to go do last weekend,
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  Speaker 5: and I wasn't up for it. I was just like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't feel like it. I don't know that anybody
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  Speaker 5: out there is going to care either. So here's my thing.
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  Speaker 5: Email in.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know.
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  Speaker 5: If you want us to do anything specific, if you
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  Speaker 5: want us to do any of those things we maybe
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  Speaker 5: used to do before and haven't in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know.
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  Speaker 5: If not, I'm going to do what I want to
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  Speaker 5: do and what... the rest of the cast who shows
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  Speaker 5: up somewhat regularly. As long as you guys are having
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  Speaker 5: fun and we're doing stuff we want to do, that's
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  Speaker 5: all I'm going to focus on. So you guys let
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  Speaker 5: me know if you have other thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Email.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a grandparent, you can Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Whatever. I don't bother with most other social medias because
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  Speaker 5: they're all annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've got an idea for you here. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: and I want to do this or whether you want
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  Speaker 1: to do this for the horror club or not.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: The subject would be banned movies. Movies that have been
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  Speaker 1: banned either in the United States, overseas. Or the Video Nasties.
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  Speaker 1: The Video Nasties from Great Britain. Whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 1: But movies that were banned, ones you particularly liked, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe why they were banned.
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  Speaker 5: Well, definitely the one I wanted to get back with
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  Speaker 5: you and get going. We threw out our sort of
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  Speaker 5: ridiculous movies or drive-in movies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All of our weird stuff that we started doing. Earlier
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  Speaker 5: this past year, but we got sidetracked again. Many things
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  Speaker 5: didn't happen in the last several months. So that's one
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  Speaker 5: I want to come back to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've only seen one of the Bronx Warriors films.
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  Speaker 1: There are two classics still to come.
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  Speaker 5: So we definitely have those. I have other questions. I'll
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  Speaker 5: throw out at the end for our other things we've
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  Speaker 5: been doing. But definitely the drive-in movies and the Grindhouse
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  Speaker 5: movies and any of the weird ones we've come up with.
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  Speaker 5: I would definitely want to get that going again. A
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  Speaker 5: little more than we have.
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  Speaker 1: Let me get my Joe Bob Briggs string tied up here.
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  Speaker 7: Joe Bob.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need Joe Bob. We're going to do our
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  Speaker 1: own thing. We love Joe Bob. I love Joe Bob.
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  Speaker 5: I spent so much time devoted to him early on.
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  Speaker 5: And then as time went on, I went, he's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Just now it's like there's this weird resurgence of people
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  Speaker 5: that like now like love him.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know. I was watching him
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  Speaker 1: on the movie channel like. 30, 40 years ago. It
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  Speaker 1: helps that he's still on shutter doing the thing on there.
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  Speaker 1: And then when Halloween shows up, he's got a marathon
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  Speaker 1: he does, or he'll do, you know, he does all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff on shutter. The last drive-in is going
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  Speaker 1: to go into its fourth season. or sixth season or
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  Speaker 1: anyway it feels like yeah at least six he got
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  Speaker 1: he got renewed for another season so everything's coming up joe.
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  Speaker 5: Bob it's just interesting it was such a lull like
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  Speaker 5: because i remember it being the big deal back in
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  Speaker 5: the day oh yeah he had monster vision which was
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  Speaker 5: sort of in the middle there but also yeah not
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  Speaker 5: everybody got that channel at the time so it was
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  Speaker 5: sort of under the radar and then like there was
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  Speaker 5: kind of nothing for a long time and you'd still
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  Speaker 5: see him We ran into him at conventions.
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  Speaker 1: He was still out there. He was still writing.
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  Speaker 5: But it just wasn't the big push. And then somehow,
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  Speaker 5: good points to him for making this come back around.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, as he got up there, he came back
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  Speaker 5: in a way that I'm sure even he never expected.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he latched on to Shudder when Shudder wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: an app. It was just a website. Yeah. And latched
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  Speaker 1: onto them, did his, you know, last drive-in stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: literally when he did the last drive-in, he thought, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be my last broadcast. That's why he
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  Speaker 1: called it that. And then, you know, several seasons later.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody kept going, oh, look, it's JoBlo. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it had everything to do with the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, He grew with Shudder and now it's grown
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  Speaker 1: into an app and it's very popular with horror fans.
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  Speaker 1: They have some good content on there. He's now presenting
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  Speaker 1: himself to a whole new audience and then doing cons
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He's just sticking around with the
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  Speaker 1: fans and there's not many... Horror hosts that are left active.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, yeah. You know, Elvira's retired. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we still got Sven Gulli on the local, you know, stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Sven Gulli's about the only, like, other national one, you know?
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  Speaker 5: There's still pockets of people on the internet that started
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  Speaker 5: their own thing. But as far as recognizable national names, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's like, Elvira hasn't really done it consistently in years.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like.
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  Speaker 5: It's been gooey and joe bobs about all there is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Dr. Gangrene's still out of
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  Speaker 1: Nashville or not.
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  Speaker 5: He's still doing it, but I think he's, yeah, because
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  Speaker 5: I still see him post.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff on there.
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  Speaker 5: We added him years ago, but I think most of
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  Speaker 5: his stuff still is sort of Nashville-based.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course he's probably still going down anyway,
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  Speaker 1: because let's see, I mean, he's been doing that for 20,
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  Speaker 1: 30 years at least.
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  Speaker 5: I remember talking to him years and years ago, and
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  Speaker 5: he'd still been doing it forever even then. So yeah, he's...
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  Speaker 5: He's made a life of it, too, so it's more
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  Speaker 5: power to you. If somebody wants to give me a show,
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  Speaker 5: I'll run weird movies that are probably in the public domain.
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  Speaker 5: But without funding, it's too much work.
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  Speaker 1: You would need comedy writers. No, no, we're hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about. And I've seen
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  Speaker 5: what they put on their comedy writers, and I'm not
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  Speaker 5: thrilled most.
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  Speaker 1: Of the time.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that they have comedy writers on some
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  Speaker 5: of these shows. No names.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 5: We could put together equally as good a stuff. So
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  Speaker 5: somebody throw some money at us. We'll put it together.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of channels out there now. There's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of streaming services.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make a show for you.
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  Speaker 5: We'll do our weird drive-in show. We can do horror.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you want.
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  Speaker 7: We can throw it together.
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  Speaker 5: So normally at the front of these, we're technically... bringing
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  Speaker 5: back the super series and normally on these i'll we
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  Speaker 5: pair it off and with what's been going on streaming
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  Speaker 5: wise a lot of times and this is probably a
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  Speaker 5: sign of how the entire episode will go um and
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  Speaker 5: this will be no surprise to you because i feel
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  Speaker 5: like increasingly over the past year to two years I
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  Speaker 5: have less and less good.
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  Speaker 1: Things to say. Right, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I could not make it through Secret Invasion.
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  Speaker 1: I was so bored.
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  Speaker 5: I am sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I stuck with it, but what's fascinating to me was
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  Speaker 1: the behind-the-scenes stuff that went on with that show that
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  Speaker 1: affected its quality. See, I didn't even know that. I
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  Speaker 1: just watched.
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  Speaker 5: And I got several episodes in, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 5: every one of them, which, granted, as Everyone who listens
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  Speaker 5: to this knows I fall asleep on anything. But it
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  Speaker 5: was one of those, I couldn't make myself restart the
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  Speaker 5: episode sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I just don't care. I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: And it almost seems like the show didn't have... The
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  Speaker 1: only main point now is that there's mixed reception to
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  Speaker 1: the Skrulls on Earth now. Because now you've got people
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  Speaker 1: who know the Skrulls exist on Earth. They've copied other people,
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  Speaker 1: and so now you've got right-winger nuts shooting people at
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  Speaker 1: press conferences because they think they're a Skrull, and they're not.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the case may be. So you've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of paranoia, a lot of that stuff. Where we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see this again, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: That is, again, what little I saw of it of
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  Speaker 5: the first several episodes i kept trying to watch there
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  Speaker 5: but i was like that was also part of what
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  Speaker 5: was killing it for me i was like there's only
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  Speaker 5: so many times we can do that oh they were
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  Speaker 5: scrolling along and i'm like well at this point then
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  Speaker 5: nothing nothing matters like we don't know what we're watching
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  Speaker 5: we don't know if we should be invested in these
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  Speaker 5: characters because it might not be these characters oh that
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  Speaker 5: person got killed oh wait it's okay they were just
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  Speaker 5: a scroll it wasn't really them i'm like What are
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  Speaker 5: we watching then? Nothing has any stakes if you don't
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  Speaker 5: know what the hell it is that you're invested in.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: So a lot of that took its toll on me too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my problem with it is that the secret invasion
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  Speaker 1: in the comics was a fantastic storyline because what it
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  Speaker 1: is that... You know, for years you've had the Skrulls
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  Speaker 1: in the Marvel Universe, and usually, like, you know, Wolverine
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  Speaker 1: could sniff out a Skrull because he could smell the difference. Or, like,
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  Speaker 1: Reed Richards would have some kind of device that could
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  Speaker 1: see which is Skrull, which is, you know, something like that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: flash forward to many years in the Skrull, you know, story,
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  Speaker 1: their home world had been destroyed in the comics, and
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  Speaker 1: so they were looking for a new place. Earth has
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  Speaker 1: always been a desirable place, and yadda, yadda, yadda. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you've got this sect of Skrulls now that basically are
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  Speaker 1: religious zealots. They have figured out a way that a
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  Speaker 1: Skrull can adapt a personality, but to the point where
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  Speaker 1: the line is completely blurred of what they were versus
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  Speaker 1: what they are now.
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  Speaker 5: This is even more why I don't like them. Religious weirdos.
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  Speaker 5: I'm already not on board in the real world, let
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  Speaker 5: alone Skrull world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they kept doing this thing when they would
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  Speaker 1: capture people or kill people and whatnot. As I suppose
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  Speaker 1: a comforting thing before they get offed, the Skrull person
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  Speaker 1: would tell them, God loves you. But then you finally
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  Speaker 1: realize which god they're talking about. It's their god, not
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  Speaker 1: like a Christian god or whatever else. I guess it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They're about to off you. Think whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole story is really convoluted because you do
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of people that you thought were heroes
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  Speaker 1: are now Skrulls. Well, how long have they been a Skrull?
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  Speaker 1: And then there's a point where a ship is discovered
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  Speaker 1: on Earth and you open it up, and it's full
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  Speaker 1: of heroes. Like the Avengers, fantastic. I mean, just names
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  Speaker 1: on names on names. And all of them had basically
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  Speaker 1: been captured in stasis in this ship for sometimes years,
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  Speaker 1: even decades. So it was this huge mic drop. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God, all these major events and stuff that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Who was this person the whole time? And so you
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  Speaker 1: basically get this whole thing will finally– When it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to the big fight at the end, the kill shot,
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  Speaker 1: the person who wins the day, because now all the
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: stuff is being shot with news cameras, and the whole
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  Speaker 1: world is watching this conflict happen. The person who wins
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  Speaker 1: the day is Norman fucking Osborn. So now the Green
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  Speaker 1: Goblin is America's number one sweetheart.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: All the superheroes get kicked to the side, and now
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  Speaker 1: Norman Osborn is in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. Norman's got all
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  Speaker 1: his bad guy buddies are in charge of stuff now.
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  Speaker 1: And so it kicks off this whole reign of the
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  Speaker 1: bad guys are in charge now. And so that's where
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  Speaker 1: Secret Invasion leaves us. Like, oh, my God. You've got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people don't trust heroes anymore. They're now trusting
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  Speaker 1: the bad guys because they're the ones that got the
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  Speaker 1: job done. And all of our heroes are like, what
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  Speaker 1: the hell? So, I mean, it was a great story.
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  Speaker 1: And Secret Invasion took literally 95% of that story. And
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  Speaker 1: with the 5% that was left, that's what they made
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  Speaker 1: the TV show out of. Mm-hmm. And it was literally like,
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  Speaker 1: it's all really about Nick Fury freaking out that he
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  Speaker 1: got dusted, and then he gets better, and he came
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: down from space, and then goes back up to space,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: so he's there in time for the Marvels.
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  Speaker 5: See, again, that could have been interesting. At first, I
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  Speaker 5: was like, okay, we're dealing with Nick Fury realizing... hey,
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  Speaker 5: I've been doing this a long time. I'm an old
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  Speaker 5: man now. I probably need to start wrapping this up
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  Speaker 5: as far as my responsibility of I can't keep doing
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  Speaker 5: this forever. I kind of thought that was interesting and
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  Speaker 5: then immediately just got convoluted with everything else. Which leads
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  Speaker 5: me to my next thing, which I think that's part
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  Speaker 5: of the problem. I think this and the next one
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  Speaker 5: are both pulling too far in opposite directions or ridiculous
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  Speaker 5: directions because I also can't I'm several episodes behind on
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: Loki and I can't make myself care. I'm just like, I,
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  Speaker 5: and it's, it's a shame because I love these performances.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, again, you've seen Hiddleston just step up.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, from, from Avengers, the first one, I
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  Speaker 5: remember at the time.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Going, yeah, but he's not really a villain.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's too damn likable. You can't make him
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  Speaker 5: a villain. And like, even they realize they're like, well,
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was, but yeah. we really like him too,
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: so like, he's just full on hero mode now, and
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  Speaker 5: I like seeing that turn, and I like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you add short round to anything, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, like, I was like, all these other aspects.
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  Speaker 5: Of it I think are great, and then I get
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  Speaker 5: into the story, and I'm like, oh my god, if
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  Speaker 5: I hear one more person talk about some sort of
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: weird alternate timeline, or following the threads, or killing off the,
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  Speaker 5: I was just like, it gets so convoluted that I'm like,
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: can we just streamline this? I'm not saying there aren't
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: good ideas here. It just seems like it's spinning its
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: wheels half the episodes. And that's what I thought about
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: the first season. I was like, it's just dragging its
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: feet to get to where it wants to get by
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  Speaker 5: the end of the first season. And now it's sort
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: of feels like it's already doing that season too.
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  Speaker 1: So it is. Loki season two, I still enjoyed as
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  Speaker 1: much as I loved the first one.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Q.E.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Kwan was a tremendous addition to the cast. Love that guy. Basically,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: ever since he came back and everything ever were all
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: at once, he's one of those actors like, you know,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: we've talked for years, like, oh, we loved him in
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Temple of Doom. We loved him in the Goonies. And
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, whatever happened to that guy? And
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: then you didn't realize how much you missed his presence
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  Speaker 1: until he's back and stuff. And you're like... he just
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: makes everything better. He just adds such fun and heart
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to his characters.
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  Speaker 5: Even Owen Wilson is doing stuff that I'm like, he's
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: doing Owen Wilson, but he's delivering things a little different
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  Speaker 5: than I've seen him in in a lot of his movies.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know, a lot of people are
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: hitting this with him, but I'm like, he's pretty solid
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: in this too. I wish there was more that I
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: could latch onto because I like the performances so much
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: and visuals. That Keyline Pie room... I could spend the
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: day in there. Like, it just looks so amazing. So, like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: just the stuff that they're creating is so good on
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: so many levels, and yet I don't care.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I have a true love for the automat, having never
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: stepped in foot inside of one. I know.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: I want to go find one. There's still some out there.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Japan has a ton of them, from what I've heard.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: No kidding. Okay, well, see, they don't exist in the
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: States anymore.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think New York does.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the company it used
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: to run. It was... Horn and Hardit.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Horn and Hardit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Did the automats in Philly, New York. Yeah. And yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, the last one went out in
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the nineties, but I just.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Started following a girl on, I don't know, because I
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: think I saw what was one of the first videos
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: she posted. And I think it's through Facebook or something,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: but she's running videos and like, it's, she's like a
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: teacher that's.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Teaching, I'm assuming English. I don't know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: She just like moved there to Be a teacher.
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: And it's like her and her boyfriend going around places
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: like this is how this goes in Japan.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like half of the stuff.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: They go to are like automat stuff or like weird
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: quickie marts that have like this ridiculous amount of food.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, Asian supermarkets are tremendous with the amount of like
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: fresh food they have or like just top quality food. Quote, unquote,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: fast food they have versus what we have in the States.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: But the system is so weird. Every time she's like, okay,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: and here's how you do it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, wait, what? Like nothing ever makes sense.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: What I love is like. Yeah, it's amazing. When you
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: notice people getting drinks from like, you know, supermarkets or,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, Quick Mart, stuff like that. Like you can
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: buy a cold drink somewhere and then you could buy
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a cup of ice and the cup of ice is sealed.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So you got to peel off the top of the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: ice and then you could pour your drink in there.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So it's like, there's no more, you know, dirty ice bins.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: There's no more dirty soda fountains with, you know, People
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: touching all that crap. It's glorious.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you, Japan is the wave of the future.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: I'm fascinated by them. I can't afford to go there,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: but I'm fascinated by them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They've got it down. It is so cool. If you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: have the streaming service Max, formerly known as HBO Max,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: there is a documentary that HBO did called The Automats.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: A young filmmaker did it, but she apparently... either knows
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: somebody that knows Mel Brooks or someone's introduced her to Mel.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And so Mel's all over the documentary because he grew
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: up loving the auto mass early in his career. That's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: where he constantly ate. But I mean, you get like,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is in the documentary.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Colin Powell's in the documentary. There's all these other like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: politicians and other comedians who were around at the time
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that just, they talk about their love of this place
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that once was. And, why it was important. And it's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: just such a charming documentary, but it's like, God, it
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: just makes you love an automatic even more. It's like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and so just seeing it in Loki with like, yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I almost kind of wondered too, you know, I discussed
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this a bit on my show this week. It's like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder if like that, particular floor of the automat
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: was all key lime pies like are there different floors
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to have different pies.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: It's fascinating to look at because i keep going wait
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: where's the rest of the food and i'm like.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: But it looks so amazing yeah it's like is there
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a floor that's like just like the baked beans or
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you know like do they have the coffee just like
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: they did back in the autumn yeah so.
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah maybe so yeah so loki season two is very
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: charming I recommend sticking with it, especially when you get, like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: episode three on.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Things really get rolling. And by the time you get
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to the end of the show, if you need any explanations,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: let me know.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: The time travel one was at least interesting. Like, when
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: they go back looking for him and, like... they spend
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: the whole episode back in time. And I'm like, that
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: was kind of cool. And we got to see them
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: in period costumes and like they're doing different stuff. So
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: that one was at least interesting.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Also because they.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Weren't having 15 different conversations about the same thing over
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: and over.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Dying up this timeline and, oh, we've got to kill him.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: And we've got, I'm just, it seems like they keep
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: having the same conversations so many times.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm just, yeah, I don't know.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: But that's going to be a bigger question I have
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: moving forward.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: For me, the last two episodes of the season I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: think were phenomenal.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: So instead, I didn't watch more new episodes of Loki,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: but I will say what I did watch was they
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: just somewhat recently, they didn't have them. I'm assuming this
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: is a weird licensing thing with Sony, but they just
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: put the second.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Spider-Man movie streaming.
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And I rewatched that because I don't think I'd seen
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it since the theater. And I'm like.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Again, I have my issues with some of the stuff
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: they do, but overall, you've got to love those movies.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: In general, all three of them are so much fun.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: But that's what works.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Again, I think the bigger story arc.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Of it, not much really happens, and it seems like
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: some weird choices are made there. But the character work
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: is so much fun. We spend a good amount of time...
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I was watching it this time going... it's like 20
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: minutes in before we have our fake monster attack thing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Like we spent like other than the pre-credits thing, like
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: we spend like 20 minutes of I'm getting ready to
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: go on a trip. I got to get this stuff together.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Here we are with the kids hanging out, doing all
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: this goofy stuff, moving on, you know, going to different locations.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I'm like, there's a lot of character building time here
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: on just the regular old people. I mean, he's not
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: even in the spider suit most of this movie, you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: it's like, it's so not, a traditional superhero story from
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: that angle in a good way.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And like that, that's what I kind of noticed
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: is how much we get, you know, character building, especially
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: something like that, where it's all about like the, the
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: relationship and like the MJ thing. And I'm like, again,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: it's two movies in before these two get together.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, that's, A very different pace.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Than we get with a lot of what's been going on,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: especially lately with Marvel. So, again, I think those three
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: are sort of outliers, maybe because Sony's involved.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But for good and bad, really. I think, too,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it all depends on the character. Spider-Man has got a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: lot of emotional resonance with people, familiarity. whatever the case
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: may be. So, yeah, that character's going to, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: there's just some that are going to hit better than others,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: depending on how they're used, what they're doing with them,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I'm just really, I'm just
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: really curious and tentative to see what Marvel does going forward,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: because each year, the comic books do this too, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: each year, the movie, the filmmakers and Kevin Feige and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they all get together for like
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a yearly retreat, talking about what we're going to do next,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: what's coming up, addressing any problems things like that and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: so they recently had one of those retreats and of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: course the recent thing was the jonathan major situation oh yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Which again i was kind of surprised to see how
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: much she's in loki season two i was like well
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: i guess they're sticking with this one well the interesting
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: thing is that loki season two a lot of that
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: was shot before a lot of that stuff happened and
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: i'm curious how much of it was shot before quantum
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: mania yeah Because that's sort of when it broke, was
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: right when that came out.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. So right around that same time. Yeah, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: so I'm just, you know, especially too, like, there's a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: couple episodes towards the end of the season where you're
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: having a conversation with Loki and he remains once again. Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And it's the same set, everything like that. So I'm wondering,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you know... They just shot all of that. Well, it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: also seems that in the film, and the showrunners kind
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of also... basically discussed like we've had a plan in
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: place ever since so I'm almost certain that there was
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: some shooting done when they were still doing season one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that has been used for season two that you know
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: because this does have a definitive end to things now
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: granted it does kind of give a different status for
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Loki I don't want to give too much away so
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: if you haven't watched it yet and anyone else who
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: hasn't finished the season but it does have a different
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: status for Loki and a bit of an upgrade yeah
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: But the story of the TVA and all that stuff
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: may be seen elsewhere, but I think we are done
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: with the Loki TV show from here. That being said, though,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I think Loki still has a major... Tom Hiddleston may
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be done with the full-time thing, but I think we've
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: got two Avengers movies coming up in the near future.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: One of those in particular he may be very heavily
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: involved with.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: With any of these people. Even when they're done, they're
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: never Yeah. I mean, how many times did I hear
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Jackman say that? And yet he's back in this next
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: movie coming out beginning of next year.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And then they're already throwing him out, coming back.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Again and other things. I'm just like, he's never done.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Nobody's ever really done. Yeah. Of course, we know he's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: involved in Deadpool 3. Yeah. And there's heavy rumors involved
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that basically Hugh Jackman and Tobey Maguire are going to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have a huge major role in Secret Wars.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: So I was like, yeah, you're never really done. They'll
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: throw money at you and you'll be like, you know what?
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: It is a good idea if I play that guy again.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: You're right. And it just all depends on what the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: idea is. But anyway, so the Jonathan Majors problem has
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: been addressed with Marvel, and the three options that came up,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: obviously the easiest one would be recasting. And this is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: all tentative, like how the court proceedings turn out. If
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: he's found innocent, no problems, then cool. We keep proceeding
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: as is. But if we've got to do something different,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: then this isn't the first time we've recast a major
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: actor within a hero or villain role. We can do
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it again. The other one would basically be to bring
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: up Doctor Doom a little faster. Make him the big
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: bad and move Kang to the side. Anyway, we're done
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: with you, Kang. Bye. Marvel fans, myself included, want Doom.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: We want him bad. But I want a good Doom.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want the dude from Nip Tuck screwing up
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in two Fantastic Four movies in a row. And the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: third and final one, which I think is the most
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: desperate option, is to get the band back together. To
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: literally bring Steve Rogers out of retirement and revitalize him
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: where he's no longer a 90-year-old crusty man and bring
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Natasha and Tony back from the dead.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: No. Which, again, I just saw a post of Iron
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Man 4 announcement with him involved.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we're talking flashback. I don't know
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: if it's AI.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know what road we're going down.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I was just like, whatever. I'm staying out of it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: But like I said, you're never really done. Tony will
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: be back in some way, shape, or form.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: We all know that. Well, and as it goes for
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that particular rumor, I will believe it when I see it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: That one I'm way more likely. The one that I
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: also saw on that list was Scarlet, and.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think she's done. Oh, yeah, she's way done. Not
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: only because the character's done, but I think she's done.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: She's like, you know what, Disney? I've had about enough
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of you. Oh, yeah. After that last round, I believe
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: she's done. Yeah, there were lawsuits involved, and she ended
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: up winning, so it's like, yeah, she's done. Yeah. Well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it's strange how the internet and the rumor mills and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: all that kind of jazz works. Because I had some
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: dude yesterday while I was working trying to tell me
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that they were going to go ahead with a Black
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Adam 2 and The Rock's coming back. I'm like, where
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: did you hear this? Because that is not only false
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in every shape of the word, but it's like Warner Brothers,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: an executive is going to come to your house and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: smack you across the face for thinking that. I was like, no,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the Rock has burnt every single bridge he could with
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers after his stunt with Black Adam. Which is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: basically sticking in Henry Cavill, you know, as a surprise.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But the Warner Brothers had other things going on, like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: firing everybody that was gone with the old guard.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Like completely wrapping up this whole thing and starting anew, basically.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And having a new showrunner come in to bring in
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a new Superman that wasn't Henry Cavill. So it's like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: screw you, Dwayne. Oh, and your movie bombed hard, by
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the way, anyway.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Nobody's cared about any of these movies for a while.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Suicide squads aside. Yeah. So, yeah. As the superhero movie
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: rumor mill goes, unless I see a trailer, unless I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: see a poster, I don't believe you.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: But I never think anybody's really out.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Other than Scarlett. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Eventually if enough time goes by and they throw enough
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: money at her, she might come back. Yeah. But I
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: think now for principal purposes, she has to be done
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: for quite a while. You give it 10, 15 years.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: She might be like, eh, all right, whatever. Cameos are fine.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: We're, we're, we're definitely done with that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: All right. Anything else before we get rolling on this
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: special movie?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Nothing much superhero wise. Um, Of course, during spooky season,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I watched a lot of stuff, things I caught up on.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, since you guys have discussed this on
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the Horror Club before, have you seen the new Hell
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: House LLC movie? Because there's a new one, and it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: exclusive to Shudder.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Not that I'm aware of.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's good. Of course, this is the fourth one now,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I believe, in the series. I can't keep track on it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Like I said, you guys were initially the ones who
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: attuned me into the franchise anyway. But yeah, it's a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: bit of a prequel. Kind of a bit of a prequel,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: but also it's an adjacent sort of thing. There's some
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: other stuff in the Hell House world that this movie...
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: is affected by. And once you get to the end
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of the movie, all the connections are made and you're like, Oh,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that's cool. Uh, and it's kind of also one of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: those things too, where, uh, stick through the credits. Cause
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: there's basically two, there's like one mid credits, little singer scene.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And then you got to wait all the way to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the end of the credits. And there's a fantastic scene
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: at the end. So yeah, it's just like, I'm, I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in on the hell house movies. Those are fun. All right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: One more for the list that who knows when we'll
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: get around to. Yeah. All right, if we are ready.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Let's do this. Let's get into it. Get more out
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of life.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: Go out to a movie.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Captain Rambo?
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: What the hell are you doing? Entering the jump point perimeter.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I'm going to get you some readings, Fury. Hello?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Hello?
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: my God!
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Captain Rambo?
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: What is that?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: It's me!
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: Hi!
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Is this an Avengers test?
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Where's Captain Rambo?
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Oh!
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: We're looking for Kamala Khan.
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: Tyrion!
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, so our powers are entangled.
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: I can manipulate my energy.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And you, I can.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Totally show you. No!
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: Not again!
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: Where's our doctor?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Wherever you are.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: No!
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: No!
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: We're a team. Oh, no, no, no, no. We're not
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a team. We're not.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: A team.
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: Intergalactic planetary, planetary, intergalactic. Intergalactic planetary, planetary, intergalactic. Intergalactic planetary, planetary, intergalactic.
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: Intergalactic planetary, planetary, intergalactic.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: This episode's out on the town feature.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We left the house, went out into the world. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: sat in my broken chair. Why do I get the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: broken chair?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I went, I went way early, got my seat, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I sat down. This other person's got their seat up.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: These people down here. Mine will recline back in the back,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: but the foot won't come up. And really, the way
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: it's angled, it's really kind of uncomfortable if you can't
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: do both. So I just put it almost as normal
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: a chair as I could. And I'm like, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: I just don't even feel like shifting around. I don't
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: feel like fighting with it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to watch this movie.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: So this movie in question is The Marvels. The year
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: is 2023. The director is Nia DaCosta. And the plot,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: according to IMDb... Carol Danvers gets her powers entangled with
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: those of Kamala Khan and Monica Rambeau, forcing them to
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: work together to save the universe. Spoiler alert, we're going
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: to run the hell out of this. And I don't
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: know how many spoilers there really are.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So go see it. It's Marvel.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Have they done well? I haven't really heard anything.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I think the box office initially was a little low,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: but Marvel's been kind of doing some pushes, especially the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: mid-credits scene that we get. was already leaked, quote-unquote leaked,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's like, let's see, it's of perfect cinematic quality,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's linked, and there's a frickin' Marvel stamp on it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: They linked this on purpose. Oops, we leaked this. Yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I think they want to get some more butts in seats,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: because we, they go there.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: They did the thing that they've been threatening to do for, well,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: since this series started at least, but definitely in recent years,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: We already kind of teased it with our Doctor Strange,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: so we knew it was going there.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this one was full on going there. But
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the film overall. It was a lot of fun.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, my wife, you know, basically this is a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: female superhero. So she's all in on this stuff. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: then this is a female, you know, almost entirely female film.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You got basically just, you know, a couple of male
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: actors in here. But most, you know, almost entirely female
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: crew film, all that sort of thing like that. Female villains.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And then a shitload of cats. So this is just
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the perfect female superhero movie that does have some male
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: fans as well.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Before I get going, I have to get out. Again,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: visual gags work best on an audio show.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I got my Kamala action figure.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I ran across this lately. She was just hanging out
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: of a package. I was like, oh, well, you need
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: to come home with me, obviously.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Lovely.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Because that's my go-to. That's of the many things I
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: had issues with Marvel-wise over the last year, two years,
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: however long.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I love that show.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Ms.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Marvel was awesome, and she was.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: The main reason. And then as we got into this,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, because again, we threw this out a while ago,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: but I was so not, overly thrilled because i wasn't
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: overly thrilled with captain marvel as a film and so
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: like going into this i was like oh man but
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: kamala's gonna be there so i was like that was
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: the one thing and i think monica's pretty fun too
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: so like knowing those two were gonna be there sort
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: of upped my anticipation a little bit that i was
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: like at least i want to see what they do
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: with her and how they work her in and then
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: we've got a lot of weird new powers and things
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: with monica so Throwing that in the mix should be fun.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I was way more invested in those two
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: versus the quote unquote star of the movie.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Well, Monica is developing her powers more. She's learning how
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to use them more. As someone who didn't have powers.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So it is interesting that just in the span of
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: from WandaVision to now, she's like, oh yeah, by the way,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a superhero, which she essentially says to Carol. We
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: saw her in another thing too briefly.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: She showed up in, I can't remember.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: It's so hard to keep track of where. But yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: she pops up in another one of the series.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and where we saw her the second time, that's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: when we saw more of her powers again. So she's
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: starting to use them a little bit more. So the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: more and more we see her, the more she's... That's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the thing is that, of course, she hasn't taken her
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: name yet, which is... She is Photon.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: That's one of the best running gags of this movie,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: I have to say.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. There's a lot of other issues, but like.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Again, the interaction with them, that's sort of why I
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: was throwing out the Spider-Man. When I was like, the
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: time spent with them as characters is what makes this
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: so much fun. And the running gag of that, of Ms.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Marvel being a big dork and being a super fangirl
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: is such an endearing thing for her. And then her
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: trying to make the team even more of a team
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and giving her a name and the running gag of
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: trying to come up.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: With a new name. I'm still... Professor Marvel, that's the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: way to go. What about this photon on you? Well,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and the funny thing, too, is she even dropped Spectrum,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and Spectrum was a name that Monica used. Monica has used, like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: three different names in her superhero career in the comics.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: At one point, she was Captain Marvel. She used the name.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: See, that's the thing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I knew at one point they'd switched out, and so, yeah. Well,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: because that's the thing. Carol Danvers did not take the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: name of Captain Marvel until about maybe 20 years ago.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So the original Mar-Vell died in the early 80s, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: then basically Monica Rambeau took the mantle when she was introduced.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And so we had, oh, we have a new Captain Marvel,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and there's a chick. And then basically Carol was running
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: around as Ms. Marvel for a while, then she was
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: running around as Binary, which is cool they dropped that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in there a little bit. And binary basically was her
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: powers had flamed out to the point. She basically looked
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: like a walking star. So it's like, she didn't look
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: human anymore. She looked like she was just constantly on
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: flame with cosmic energy. Doesn't seem comfortable at all. Well,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it was basically her powers were acting up. And so
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it was, it was a short period of time, but
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: she was run around, named herself binary. Um, And then
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: eventually when Kelly Sue DeConnick took over the book, that's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: when we went full on Captain Marvel. And then the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: suit came up, the suit that we see in the movies.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And Goose was introduced and all that kind of good stuff.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So the Captain Marvel we know essentially started with the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Kelly Sue DeConnick run.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Speaking of the Captain Marvel we know and the suit,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: I like that they totally ditched the dumb helmet. Because
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: that was one of my things last movie. I was like,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: this helmet looks terrible.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And then they got rid of her quirky, fun haircut that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: She got midway into the run. Now it's just like,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: we know what Brie Larson looks like. Just make her
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: look like her. We just give her the rest of
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: the suit. We like the suit. Helmet was dumb. And just, yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: go with that. So I like that she's just herself
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: this whole movie. I'm like, I'm fine with that. That's
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: all we wanted.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Just don't make her wear a dumb helmet. We did
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: see the helmet briefly in the flashback scene. In the flashback.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I could have used a bit more of that flashback
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: scene because for people that are fans of the comics
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and whatnot, finally getting to see the Supreme Intelligence in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: his true form was pretty cool. Yeah. But it was
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: very brief. Very brief. Yeah, and it's like, okay, she
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: walked up and basically blew him out of the sky,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and then there you go. But, yeah, I mean, basically, like,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that's how he looks. He is an AI, but the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: appearance is this giant green head with tentacles and wires
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and shit coming out of him and whatnot. But they
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: have him in a jar. But, yeah, but he communicates,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like, basically... Kind of like they did in
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the first movie where it's on a plane and he's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: using a different persona. Yeah. But yeah, so very rarely
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: does somebody actually address the Supreme Intelligence in his jarred
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: head form. Yeah, a special person has to see him
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in that form. So it was kind of cool to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: see that little throwback, but for some people that was
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: such a big moment that affected her relationship with the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Kree and giving her this nickname of the Annihilator. That
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: was like five minutes, and it was way late in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the movie, too. It's like, I could have used that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a little earlier. Do we want.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Because, again, that's where I'm... It's one of my bigger things.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Do we want to go ahead and jump to that?
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: Let's jump, yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Put a pause on the characters, because, yeah, I'll come
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: back to them. But that's, I think, by the time
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I got.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Because I enjoyed it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Again, I liked it, but most of the things I
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: liked about it was, again, the character interaction. Yeah. adding
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: these two new characters, and they sort of lighten up,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: because that's the issue with her in Captain Marvel, is
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: she's just so deadpan. Like, there's nothing fun to her. Like, again,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know, this is a superhero movie. We're
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: supposed to be here having fun, and, like, she's just... Again,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: she's a badass, and that was my issue, too. Like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: she also, by the time you get to the Avengers movies, like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: she has Superman syndrome of, like, yay, she can do everything.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Like, she's just not an interesting.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Superhero because she's too powerful. Yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Whereas we get these other two that neither of them
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: really fully understand how to use their power, so they're
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: way more interesting. So I could watch these two figuring
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: out how to use their powers over watching her be
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: a superhero and do whatever she wants. So again, these
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: other two are way more interesting to me and a
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: needed addition to this plot line.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: But as we get to the plot line, I'm also.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Like, do we really... I don't know.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: This is my question is like, is this movie worthy
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: as we get into this on paper, it should be
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: on paper. It definitely like, especially once you get to
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: the plot, it's like we are destroying worlds.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Like this should be Avengers level events.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: But like by the end, I was like, it felt slight.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know what definitely. And here's
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: my probably biggest complaint is this villain comes out of nowhere.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, who is this was same issue I
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: had with that last Thor movie. I was like, wait,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: who's this guy? This guy that you built up is
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: the super amazing bad guy. And we had no time
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: with him and we barely got to know who he was.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: And then you killed him off. I'm like, here we
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: are again.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, this needed a little more time.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: To definitely to get into that backstory of why she's
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: the annihilator, where this woman comes from, that becomes the
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: big villain of the whole movie. But like, we're just
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: thrown in and there she is. And like, she's already
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: the villain.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what? But who is she?
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Like, I had checked beforehand. I'm like, okay, she is
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: from the comics. It was a character that existed beforehand.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: But I was like, you still.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Have to apply it to this movie. This movie needs
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: to be able to stand on its own. And as
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: this movie, we don't know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Who the hell she is.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: She comes out of nowhere. By the end, we at
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: least understand why she's doing what she's doing. And there
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: is reason to it. But I'm like, you're a good
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: portion of the way into the movie before you figure
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: out what's going on.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's definitely some writing flaw in there for sure.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And that was kind of the thing too. I was like,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: why didn't they try to do more to connect her
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to what was going on?
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Because that's the problem with Supreme or is it basically she,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Obviously, she was trying to avenge her home world,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: which Carol essentially destroyed.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Which all made sense by the end. Again, this could
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: have been a really good... That's our thing going into
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: some big villain like Thanos. By the end, you're like, well,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's got a point. There's times when you
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: start going like, I see where he's coming from. Granted,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: he had a ridiculous, crazy plan. But still, you start
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: to almost see him as.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: A real character.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: This girl had enough that we definitely could have sided with.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Her and be like, well... She's got a point.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: And by the end, we kind of have that moment
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: where Monica's like, yeah, maybe you should go fix her plan.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that we, I think we
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: needed as an audience, a lot more emotional resonance of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: what Suprema was feeling, what Carol did, and really nailing
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it home that this perfect superhero that we thought was
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: unstoppable and powerful, yada, yada. Yeah. Her hubris got in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the way and she basically said, Killed her second home world.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Because she thought she was doing the right thing. And,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: in fact, she was basically, you know, set him up
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: for a death sentence. You know, unless she did something
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: about it to fix it.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Which, I mean, again, there's just so much going on
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: there that would have been good had we known that. But, like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: they just sort of gloss over it. Yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Like, I would have been fine if, you know, they had...
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Because let's think, they did a flashback, so Supremor was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a part of the... the elite group that Carol was
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: part of when she was on Hala. Yeah. But it's like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't kill off Jude Law entirely. She
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: just beat him up. It's like, we could have brought
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: him back. We could have, or he, you know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: We at least would have known, well, again, if you
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: paid attention to the last movie, you'd be like, oh,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: that guy. I remember that guy.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or Supremor was a loyalist to him or something.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: But it's just kind of like, you're right. We just
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: bring in this villain. And another thing, too, that a
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine had a question. He's like, well, hang on.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: She's got that hammer on. that Ronan the Accuser had,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: because now she's an accuser. But that purple light, that
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: was when he put the Power Stone in his hammer
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to make it even more powerful. So does she have
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a new... Is there a new Power Stone? It draws
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of confusion.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Again, because she's just introduced with that hammer, and then
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: even Carol's like, referencing it like it's a big deal.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: I was like, shouldn't we know what it is and
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: why it's a big deal? Like that should have already
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: been built into the first part of this movie, but
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: we just kind of skip over all of that. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't know. That's, that's several of my
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: questions here is like, why does it feel like the
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: story isn't big enough really by.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: The end of it? Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: And then my main question, and this is one I've
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: gotten every, I remember the, Avengers the second, the robot one.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, Age of Ultron. Age of Ultron. Yeah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I remember having this question then because I guess it
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: was just sort of hitting that that was becoming an
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: option when they started doing series.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So at that point it was like Daredevil. Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: But like when we just had that as an option,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, so has Marvel or Disney or Feige
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: or the powers that be that run all of this,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: have they sort of lost control? Scope of like what
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: works best for what cuz there's times when I'm like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: why is this a movie in this a series? Yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: and like this is one of those I'm like if
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: we spent like a whole episode sort of building up
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: the backstory of her destroying this homeworld and introducing this
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: villain and like if this was a Six-part, you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: it doesn't need to be huge.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But like if it was a.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Six-part episodes series feel like we could have like delivered
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: something bigger as far and then by the end maybe
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: it would have felt like this is a world ending
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: event that we need these three Avengers to come together
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: and I don't know sort of rushing it like it
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: does I'm like I don't I don't know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think the two main problems this movie ran into
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and like again saying I still enjoyed it yeah but
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: but there were there it's there were some problems I
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: think one of the main problems was that Marvel recognizes
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the superhero fatigue and the uh marathon length we have
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to go to to make some of these films. You're
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: in there for two and a half hours plus sometimes.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't always have to be an epic film
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and those things. But at the same time, when you've
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: got some big stuff that happens, give it time to breathe.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And this movie, like you said, this flashes through a
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And one of the bigger ones it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: flashes through is the fucking quantum bands. We reunite the bands, which... Granted,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of changes that the MCU has made
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: because originally the old school Mar-Vell had these bands. They
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: gave him his powers cosmic. They allowed him to, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: fly and breathe in space. He can, you know, he
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: can either do the teleport thing or he can fly
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: really fast, you know, and get to places, yada, yada, yada.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So they're extremely powerful weapons that protectors of the universe
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: normally wear.
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, now they're doing the whole thing. It's their
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: grandma's bands and yada, yada, yada. And they eventually, Kamala
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: ends up with both of them. So it's like, so
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: are these no longer like universal weapons? Like why wouldn't
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Carol have these things? No, Kamala's cooler. She gets it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I know Kamala's cooler, but it's like... I was kind
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: of glad she got him. I was like, good, now
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: she can have even more superpowers.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Yay!
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's like, is this going to raise Kamala's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: stakes even higher? Make her even more powerful?
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It's kind of this curious thing they're doing with her.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Because shouldn't she be able to open up portals? Like,
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: that's what she was doing.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: So, in theory. she should be able to do that
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: whenever the hell she wants now because she's got both bands. Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Or this allows for space travel for something.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Teleportation from one.
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: galaxy to another maybe yeah something like that yes there's
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: definitely a lot of you know questions what they're doing
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: but yeah the quantum bands are a big fucking deal
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: in the mcu uh in the comics so i'm surprised
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: they kind of glossed over them in the film.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: But that's a good like that's a good example that's
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: one of the things i liked so much about ms
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: marvel is not only did i like that character But
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: that story that they told, it wasn't a huge story.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: It was low stakes.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: By the end, they're going to blow up the high school,
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: and that's the biggest thing that officially is going to
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: happen in there. But they took their time, and the
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: whole story with the bands and Grandma and all of
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: this is paced out perfectly over these episodes. So it
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: really did feel like you were telling this bigger story
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: and giving it time to give you the backstory and.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: invest in these characters.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: And like, that was one of those that I felt
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: was really well done as a series versus there are
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: so many of these others that I'm like, I don't
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: think they know what they're getting. Cause not to switch
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: total gears, but that was a lot of people's issue.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: We just got through again, still Disney Ahsoka.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: And Ahsoka is that same thing of like, okay, we've
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: got maybe a two and a half hour idea of,
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: let's make it into six. I was like, it was like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: it felt like it was eight. Like it just went,
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: there were so many times when kind of that same thing.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I was like, I feel like they're saying the same
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: thing over and over and over again. They're stating what
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: they're going to get to in the last episode.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Every episode.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: And then eventually we get there. And I'm like, so
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: you spun your wheels for these four in the middle.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: You really could have just told one story concisely and
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: done it in a movie and it would have been.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: A solid movie.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: It's like they can't decide which place to put the
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: stories or when they get there, they do it the
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: wrong way. And so I don't know. I mean, again,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: this is, Feige's not even involved there, but it's the
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: overall thing of what they're doing with their running series
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: versus their films. Yeah. And they so much didn't know
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: how to do it in Star Wars, they gave up. Like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: we haven't had one. We're finally maybe going to get
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: back on that road somewhere down the line.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. A lot of the Star Wars
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: series are actually leading to a film that Dave Filoni
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: is going to direct. So you kind of get what
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you're asking for. But you basically, we're giving, the Star
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Wars thing is giving you a lot of exposition to
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: get to something big that we don't have a lot,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that we don't. need to spend a lot of time
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: on exposition because we already did it over here but
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: they did.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: The same thing like the one before i guess was
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: obi-wan and it was kind of that same thing it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: like there's great moments in it but overall it's like
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: you got way more time than you got story to
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: tell and they just kind of like what else can
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: we do for this episode so it's like they i
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: don't know it's like at least at least and or
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: seemed like it was paced out right like it wasn't again,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: it's a lot slower than most of them, but I
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: feel like at least they felt like they were doing
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: something and it was timed out right. Where the other
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: ones have felt like, here, we got to throw this again.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: So again, not to totally switch to Star Wars, but
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: it's that same issue. I feel like that's kind of
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: what a lot of the Marvel shows were doing too.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: It's like some of them work and other ones, they
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: feel like they don't know what they're doing and they
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: don't know where they're going, except they want to get
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: to this point so they can make another series or
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: they can make another movie. So it's like they've got
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: an end result, but they don't know what to do
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: with the middle part and they just drag it out.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's kind of one of their main
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: issues right now is of course the, the, the actors
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and writer strikes that, you know, they've all been resolved
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: now finally by this time. Um, so it will delay
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: things slightly, but hopefully the summer of 2024 isn't going
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to be affected too badly because with film releases. Maybe
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: things will be pushed back a little bit, but, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I think we're mostly still on track with a lot
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: of our big stuff. But, yeah, Marvel really kind of
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: does need to wrap it up, B, when it comes
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to this particular phase, because... They've got so much flack.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: They've had to restart. That's kind of the problem. Anybody
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: who's a sports fan knows. It's like when you've got
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: to redo the team that was once a championship, your
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: favorite team, and then now they suck for a couple years.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: We're in a town that's doing that right now. Yeah.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: We have a sports.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: Team that didn't know what the hell to do with itself.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: So I don't pay attention to sports. But even I know.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: It's like, wow, we are on a rebuilding year, aren't we?
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: So rebuilding years are really rough and Even with film
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: franchises like this, it's really rough. And the audience is
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: not given a lot of patience because they basically, the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: last thing they saw for the previous one was Endgame,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: which was a fucking epic film. And now they want
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: everything to be like Endgame. It's like you can't have
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Endgame every fucking time. And that's what I was thinking of.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, again, like Infinity War is amazing.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: And Endgame really kind of delivers this, again, huge two
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: and a half hour epic. So, I mean, those felt
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: like they were bad. big enough to have these movies
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: and they had stakes big enough to make it worthwhile
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: and here again it should be on paper but it
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: just didn't feel that way and i'm like you can't
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: do that every time but then we've got other examples
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: that like find a way like i've i've said this
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: as we mentioned earlier i've had a lot of and
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: i think that's part of it i think just marvel
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: in general because i don't like i listened to a
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: show that their thing became marvel bashing yeah and they
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: weren't purposefully doing it but it just became like oh
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: that's all they're doing anybody with any taste in movies
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: knows that like this is the problem with movies right
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: now is what marvel has done to everything and i'm
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: like that just became a go-to that i thought was
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: lazy so it's like i'm like well i don't ever
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: want to be that but i'm not going to pretend
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: like i don't have problems with a lot of what
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: they've been and especially post-end game it's like everything since
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: then has been like just off kilter just out of
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: step it's like because some of them will hit and
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: be great and And then there's others that are just
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: totally missing for me.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: But it shows me that you can still do that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: It's like you look at Multiverse of Madness, and I'm like,
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: that told a great story.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It's not three hours long. It's just normal length of
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: a movie.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: It's pretty complicated, kind of, but they found a way
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: to make it focused and follow one storyline and not
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: convolute it more than it has to be.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And it works for me, you know? And kind of
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: same thing for... that last spider-man.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Like again could be very convoluted with what they introduce
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: and yet it's normal running time the stakes feel like
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: they're big enough for these people but they're not you
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: know suffering versus you know in game where you get
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: the other ones that are just sort of missing the
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: mark for me so it is then like it's not
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: like they totally forgot how to do it because we've
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: had a couple in the middle there that have been
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: really solid yeah And then we've got Love and War.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know what we're doing here, but we made
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: another movie.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, too. Folks forget, we didn't like
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Iron Man 2. We were mixed on Iron Man 3.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: avengers i liked iron man 3 avengers 2 we didn't
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: necessarily like that much we didn't like thor until the third.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: One that's true so i didn't like any of that
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: thor before 3 so.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone has already forgotten the things that didn't work in
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the first phase and now we're in the new phase.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: I remember but yeah i think it gets sort of
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: brushed under the rug but it seemed like they were
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: i don't know it It's hit and miss. It's like
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: they were delivering on certain ones. Like, you know, the
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: Captain Americas were kind of like solid. Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And like we get.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: But even then, I think my thing with Age of
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Ultron was the same thing. I was like, this definitely
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: could have been a series. Like we had way more
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: story we could have told that we had to kind
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: of cram into this two hours. So it's that same
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: thing of like figuring out where to invest the time. Because,
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, eventually they did that. You know, Infinity War
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: and Endgame is like.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: What, four and a half hours or more?
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. It is a huge amount of time, which
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: if they would have done a two and a half,
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: three hour movie with Ultron, you know, they probably would
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: have balanced it out just fine. So it's just they
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: were kind of building up the nerve to be like, okay,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: we're really going to have to go all in if
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: we're going to tell this story. So I think then
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: they were still on that, no, we got to keep
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: it under two hours kind of idea.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Eventually they gave up on it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of hoping that Marvel kind of pairs down
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: their schedule a bit more. It seems that we're getting
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: too thick in the weeds now. As far as Disney
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Plus goes, Moon Knight was well-received. The Werewolf by Night
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: one-shot was very well-received. I really like that one. um
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: ms marvel was well received by the people who watched
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: it but it was not a hit yeah you know
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of people skipped it because they thought well
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you know whatever reason to be but it's like no
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: people like no this is a fun coming of age
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: story um if you don't know what life is like
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: for pakistani immigrants in america you got to see that
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: i think that's.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Part of it i think because they invested so much
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: in this again this character it's like that's why that
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: one is so solid And you love her parents. I'm
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: so glad they were in this movie.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I know, yeah. Her family makes it. Her family is
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: so much fun.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: And I'm just like, this is why you want to
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: be invested in these movies. And when you skip that stuff,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: it's like everything else starts to suffer.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know. It also really kind of depends
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: on the character themselves. In the comics, Kamala has been
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: universally beloved pretty much since she popped in. And is
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: one of those characters that has grown... Into just being
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a great hero and a great leader and somebody you
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: want to follow, you know, into the fray because she's
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: just a great person and you know she's got the
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: best intentions doing the right thing, yada, yada, yada. Yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: So.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Iman Valani has done a fantastic job of cultivating that.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: She's phenomenal. And I just looked her up. I was like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I don't really remember her for anything. She hadn't done
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: anything else.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: She sent in a cold tape because her aunt suggested
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: it to her and she got in that TV show.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: That's where she sort of started.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: She is so good. But also, she's a fan. She
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: gets the character. One thing I thought was beautiful was
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: they've released, basically, Kamala has got a different status now
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: in the comics. Because, of course, you know, initially when
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: she was made, her powers came from an inhuman origin.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And then in the show, they made her mutant.
• 59:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Well, in the comics now, they killed her off, but
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: they resurrected her. It was the shortest turnaround of a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: superhero death to resurrection in history because it was literally
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: two months that she was dead and revived. That's it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: Did J.J.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Abrams make this? Back to making fun of Star Wars.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: But the whole thing was essentially to bring her back,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and now she's both. She is an inhuman, and apparently
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: she is also mutant, but her.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Emergence of the inhuman powers tamp down the mutant stuff.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: So basically she's got further development to go because her
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: mutant powers may differ from what we've already known her
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: with her inhuman stuff. So they've got a new comic
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: now and Iman Valani is co-writing the comic. Because she's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that awesome.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: Like I really like she is so good at this
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: character and like it makes me like because I was
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: thinking I was like this is like one of my favorite.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Characters of anything in years.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Like I think she is so not just likable which
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: she is but also like it's it's this humanity that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: she brings to it because i literally like in the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: theater i was like as soon as she was going
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: through the weird dream sequence things and like as she
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: comes out of it i'm like if i know her
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: as a character she's gonna go over there and give
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: her a hug yeah and she did it and i
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: was like jesus i was like the few times i
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: was like oh my god this is so like she
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: is giving this heart that Carol.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Danvers had nothing. You know, it's like she brought nothing.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: To that where she has so much emotion and so
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: much like sort of joy to be doing what she's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: doing that even when it's tough times, like she brings
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: a different level to it that makes you want to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: root for her that I don't think we ever had
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: with Carol Danvers.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: And that's the big problem with Captain Marvel is that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: she's a stiff in the comics, too. The only thing
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: they've done over the years to really kind of try
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to humanize her a bit more, and they did this
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: kind of the late 90s, and every now and then
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: somebody will touch on it, but it's not in regular things. Basically,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: she's an alcoholic also. No. And Tony Stark is her sponsor.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the best. Well, currently Tony's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: been still sober for a while. But every now and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: then they'll address it. But it's not as something big
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: that Tony wears on his sleeve that fans who know
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Iron Man knows that he's an alcoholic and something he's battled.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: But it's something they've only touched on a couple of
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: times and really haven't addressed it. So it's like she
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: still kind of comes off as just perfect and joyless.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But, you know... You also kind of understand, you know,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: basically she's military, so maybe there's something that goes in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: with that as well. And, you know, I mean, she's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: had some interesting, you know, tie-ins in the comics as
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: well that have kind of been very traumatic for her.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: So it's just like, you know, but yeah, they need
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: to work a bit more on humanizing her and they...
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: There's a little of it here.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: Like watching her interact with the other two is the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: most useful thing. Like it really is like, okay, I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: don't like dislike her. It was just like, she just
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: didn't bring anything to that first movie. So giving her
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: these other two people, she kind of lightens up a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: little bit. She does seem a little human by the end.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: So especially once you get to the, I mean, we
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: glossed over the, we have a musical section in the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: middle of it. So when we get to her having
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: a secret, fake, possibly real marriage to her, This random
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: prince that I was like, this is fun. This is
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: giving her a weird side of her that we never
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: saw before. I think that was really good, too.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a marriage of convenience. But at the same.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: Time, there's definitely something going on there with the two
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: of them. So I kind of like that. That was
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: maybe the most interesting side story we could have had
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: because it wasn't... I mean, we certainly have the big
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: murder win that also comes up later that at least
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: makes her fallible, which is nice when she's super all
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: the time. But that was also a sillier version that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: brought a little something light to her and made it
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: sort of fun.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: And we got to hear her.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Sing, which we all know, I, as someone who has
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: the soundtrack to Hoot, which she does a track on,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Brie actually can sing.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what we need to see a lot
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: more of is Carol's interaction with other cultures and how she,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: they react to her and vice versa.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: You know, we only, we basically saw like one good example,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the musical world, and then one bad example with her
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: own secondary home world. So yeah, we need to see
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of what the universe thinks of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Captain Marvel. Yeah. Outside of just one example, but yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: I was trying to think, I was like, as I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: was watching this, cause I'm like, she was still coming
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: off kind of, and I was like, what is it
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: with brie i was like do i because then i
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: was thinking i was like what else have i really
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: seen her in i'm like she's amazing in room but
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: again rooms a two-hander most of the time you know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: it's like it's almost all her yeah because it's just
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: a kid and her most of the movie so it's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: like it's an impressive feat but again it's not her
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: being super personable with others it's like she's Literally, locked
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: up by herself. Yeah, we haven't seen her in a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: rom-com or a fun movie or something.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm looking through.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: She's done other stuff, but I really... It's older stuff,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: because she's been working since she was a kid. I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: saw her in something lately, and she was unrecognizable. It
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: was so young, I wouldn't have picked her out of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: the crowd. I was like, whoa, that is her. That's crazy.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: So she's been working forever, so I don't doubt her
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: as an actress, really. but I feel like she needs
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: to sort of develop that and maybe do more fun
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: stuff that like, maybe it's just like muscles.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: She's not flexing. Like, yeah.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: Cause I feel like she can do that. Cause that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: was the only other thing I could think of is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: like during, I think it was when Kimmel got in trouble.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: And did she take over? She took over one of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: the late night shows. I think she spent a week on,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: maybe it was Kimmel.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: Kimmel is terrible, but I was glad to see, like,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: I wanted to see.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Her in that role.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: And like, she was pretty good at it. Like she
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: was way more functional than most people being thrown into
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: that role. Cause they kept rotating people out and a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: lot of them were really bad.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: And like, she was, she was solid.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: So I was like, she can carry stuff like that.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: That's way lighter and way more frivolous, you know? So
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: it's like, I don't know. It's just trying to find
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: the right alchemy to that and shove it into a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: marvel movie i guess.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah i need to see her like host an snl
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: or something like that it's.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: Like that that's the kind of stuff that she could
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: do that sort of lightens things up a little.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Sure yeah so yeah i mean that did but that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: is ultimately a problem with that.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: Character yeah she's also been handed a super boring stiff.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Carol's stiff so yeah yeah carol's not fun she is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: a stiff yeah um it'd be interesting if they would
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: eventually start Because there's basically a couple other characters within
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the MCU that are similar in her level of power.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: One of them being very interesting that I think we
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: might see in the upcoming Thunderbolts movie would be the Sentry.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Which is basically... The Sentry is essentially Marvel's version of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Superman if he had a psychotic split personality. Yeah. Because
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: this guy has basically solar-based powers... you know, he's the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: power of a million exploding suns. Uh, he's also crazy
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: as a loon and his other persona is called the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: void and the void is his chief nemesis. So basically
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: he is literally fighting himself and he doesn't know he's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: fighting himself.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: Superman three.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I've seen this.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: He's, it was a great movie. Yeah. He's, he's extremely crazy. Um, Yeah,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: so I'm curious if they're going to do that version
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: of the character. But it would be interesting to see
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: somebody on the level of Carol's power with a much
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: more interesting character. Because that was my thing with Thor.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Like, as you said earlier, that's why I could care
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: less about those first two movies.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Like, he was so boring.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, again, God like powers. And I was like, well,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: who cares?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: He can do whatever he wants.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: And even by the Avengers, it's like... The only reason
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: he worked is because he was deadpan and most of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: the jokes were at his expense.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: But again, because.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Everybody else was so much more fun, it made at
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: least that first movie okay. And it wasn't until Ragnarok
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: when we just made him goofy as hell. And it's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: such a fun story that it worked.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: But it was that same thing. Godlike powers, I was like,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I'm already checked out. Well, and the thing is you've
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: got to add in that other element that makes Thor special,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: which is Loki. The more Loki you add into a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Thor film, the more you've got that balance. Because Loki
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: is the fun, interesting one. Oh, yeah. And Thor's the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: perfect child. And he goes out and fights and does
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: his thing. Maybe he gets a little overzealous in the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: fighting and his hubris. But for the most part, yeah,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: there you go. He's out there winning the day. Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: He's the pride of his father's eye.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: By the time they're working together, which again, in three,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: is why it works so well.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Because again, like.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: The first one in Avengers, he's busy being a dick
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: the whole time. So it's like, But again, he already
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: has that spark that you're like, oh no, that guy.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I like that guy.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: Like so he won everybody over a little bit there
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: but even more so by ragnarok when he's just it's
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: the team up and they're both being fun and goofy
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: and i don't know it kind of works well.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem you've got too with your translation
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: from page to screen you know When a writer creates
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: a character and the artist draws the character and you've
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: got those two things coming together, you've got now a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: thing that's come into existence. This character has come into
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: existence in the pages of a comic book. People get
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: to know it. You fall in love with it or
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: you hate him or whatever the case may be. Now
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: you've got a translation of an actor and a writer
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: reinventing this character for the visual medium. And sometimes that
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: actor may not be as good as the writer or
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes the actor is better than the writer.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: Or sometimes they bring so much of themselves to it
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: that it overshadows the character.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: We get a lot in movies, I feel like.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: And so that's why the MCU, you know, we still
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: talk about like how good Loki is or how good
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: like Captain America is. But then we always remember like. well,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Thor kind of sucked for two movies. Or, you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: we don't really like Carol Danvers because she's not this.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So it has everything to do with the whole combination
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: of how that character is translated on screen. Again, as
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I said, it's alchemy. When it works, it is magical.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: And then when it doesn't, you're like, ooh. And I forgot,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: one of the main reasons she loses so many cool
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: points in this movie.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: She's wearing Crocs.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: Carol.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: I already, you were fighting an uphill battle with me anyway,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: but Crocs, really?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: When you've got to wear super duper tight spandex when
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you're out there gallivanting and kicking ass around the universe,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you've got to tone it down a little bit, get
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: a little comfy. So, you know, she's in some sleep
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: pants and some Crocs. I'm fine with the rest of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: the outfit, but these Crocs got to go, man. Well,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: you can't walk around barefoot around a spaceship. That stuff's cold, man.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I thought until I was watching
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: the Post-credits scene with Samuel L. Jackson at the end
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: of Spider-Man 2. And I was like, dude's not wearing
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: any shoes.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Well, those are probably like heated floors, man.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: He's crazy.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Samuel L.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Jackson. Yeah, I mean, Nick Fury, you know he got
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: heated floors, man. I did think that. He's bougie. I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: was like, wait, why does he not have any shoes on?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: He's bougie. You're in space, you crazy bastard.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: So anyway, I just need to bring up Crocs, what
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: the hell.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: But I say that every day of my life. Every
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: time I pass the one.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: What are you thinking?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 12: Why?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. The addition of the multiple alien cats,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: or flerken as they are known in there, that was
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: cute as shit.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, cute kitties. You add cute kitties to anything,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: how are you going to lose? Especially when they can...
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: Have crazy tentacles and swallow people.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I love it too. Don't run from the Flerken. Let
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: them eat you. It's okay.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: And again, I like capturing that guy and being like,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Just stand here and be eaten. It's fine. Yeah. It's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: a great transportation method and it was a smart play.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Again, it was a funny addition to the end of that.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: It's such a weird balance to what's going on in
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: this movie. But at the same time, I was like,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: that's pretty funny. Because we've established there's no way all
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: these people are going to get in this escape ship.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: We're screwed. Oh, wait. Yeah. So get all the kitties there. So, yeah,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Goose has her own personal army of her own children.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: And where's the father in all this? They didn't really
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: get it. Like, as soon as they... Or unless Flerken
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: are able to self-reproduce or something. Well, that may be.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, as soon as Mom said... Goose was looking
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: a little big. I was like, oh, God, here we go.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: And then there were eggs. I was like, yep, here
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: we are.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: I knew it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the whole movie, I'm thinking like, okay, I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: know there's going to be a whole bunch of flirking
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and kitten flirking. See, I didn't know. But as soon
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: as you said that, I was like, here we go. Yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: they're in the trailer.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: Because, yeah, I must not have... I barely saw any trailers, actually.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they basically.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: Because I didn't see them in general, but I guess
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: I watched at least one over the last week, but
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: I just didn't see much of the trailers this time.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first couple of trailers, they're all over it.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: So you know there's going to be a whole bunch
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: of Flerken in the movie, so I was like, where
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: is this going to happen? And then basically when I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: started seeing it, it was like, oh, she looks a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: little chunky there. It's like, oh, she's pregnant. There we go.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: And then we see the eggs, like, oh, there's a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: baby Flerken. They come from eggs. They come from eggs
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: and maybe... I don't know. Maybe they don't need to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: be outside fertilized. There are a lot of species that
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: are not alien. They are from this planet that can
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: do that. So it's very possible. I don't know the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: physiology of a flerken to be able to tell you that.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: And it seems dangerous anyway. They're not the most calm
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: and easy to deal with pets.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, just think, you know, they're like any
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: kind of cat, except they have these tentacles that come
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: out of them and put you in this, like, bottomless
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: void they have inside them. And, oh, watch the scratches, because,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: you know. Could take out an eye. Well, I mean, even, like,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you know, Nick loves goose. He doesn't hold any hard
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: feelings that you took one of my eyes with a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: simple cat scratch, you know. But he's all lovey-dovey with them.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, you know, forget, forget. But
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: getting to the end of the film here, so we get,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: you know, Carol makes things right with Hala, reignites their son,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: and now everybody's happy. But it's like, okay, well, they
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: also stole water and oxygen from these other two planets. Like,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: how are those other two planets okay? I kind of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: wondered that, too.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: I was like, because she likes Musical Planet.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Are they fine? Are they missing all their water now?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: What happened? I mean, granted, she said, like, the planet was, like,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: 95% water. So they're probably okay.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But it would throw off some stuff.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I guess, too.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: But the fact that we didn't really check in with them,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: I was like.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: We got Hollaback, and Ms. Marvel, Kamala, now has both bands.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Because she's super cool. And I like what they finally
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: have pulled the trigger on, is that we as comic
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: fans have been waiting for... Because we're missing still a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: couple of members of the Young Avengers. But finally... We
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: have got our building blocks now where Kamala is pulling
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: a Nick Fury.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Which I did like it was mirroring the very first
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: time of like, hey, so I'm putting a team together. Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: And Kamala's being all like, you know, Nick got that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Nick Fury confidence swagger going on. And I know everything
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: about you. Sort of stuff like that.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: And I was thinking that of the series of many
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: of which I felt like were misses. Like that was
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: the other initial one that I was so impressed with.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Kate Bishop was awesome.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: Again, it was one that I felt was very balanced
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: in the story they were trying to tell. They brought
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: in this great character, so I was like, those are
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: the two I've been most invested in. I definitely want
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: to see a team up with these two, and Throw
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: some extra. I'm sure we'll get Ironheart. Again, of the kids,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: it should be Peter Parker, but I wonder if the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: Sony will keep him out of.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: No, he's too old for the team.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kate Bishop's pushing it, but... Well, basically, if we're...
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: He just got out of high school. Come on. If
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: we want to stick with the members of the Young Avengers,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: you've been... Kamala is a much later member. The original members,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Kate's definitely on that team. We met Elijah Bradley in
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the Captain America Winter Soldier series when we basically met
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Bradley. So though we kind of just introduced that character,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have his powers or anything like that yet.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like basically kind of a little bit
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: like Captain America himself. He calls himself the Patriot. But
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: he's a little bit of Captain America. The twins, the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: WandaVision twins, they're members, but of course they have to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: get aged up a little bit.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: So to say, we've seen them in many different versions,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: and it's never good when they're there. Maybe they'll graduate
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: up to having good introductions.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's still two core members that they have
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: not introduced at all. And you've got one character named Teddy,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: who basically, he is half Kree and half Skrull.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, Lord.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: But he goes by the name Hulkling, but he's a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: shapeshifter as well. A new West Side Story happening here. Well, basically,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: he ends up having a relationship with one of Wanda's sons, Billy,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: the magic user. So the two of them are a couple. Actually,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: they're married now in the comics. Also, you find out
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: that basically the Skrull and the Kree have actually united
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: because they're so close. their races have dwindled down so
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: much that they actually have now formed an alliance, and
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Teddy is now the Emperor of the Universe because he
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: is both. So his status has gone up. The other
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: core member is Iron Lad, which basically is a good
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Kang variant, which now the groundwork for that has been
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: laid out thanks to Victor Timely and Loki. So we
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: know that while there are hundreds upon hundreds of bad
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Kang variants, there are some good ones. So we haven't
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: been introduced to Iron Lad yet, or maybe Victor Timely
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: will become Iron Lad, seeing as... You haven't finished the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Loki series, but there's some stuff in there that could
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: possibly do that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: Again, they don't have to rush to those. We've got
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: the two that I'm most invested in. So I want
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: to see, even if they just do a team up
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: with those two, it would be awesome. Yeah. I know
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: they're building to more, but both of those characters are great.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. And Ironheart's definitely a member. She becomes one
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: later on. Miles Morales becomes one later. And I would
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: love to see a finally get a live action Miles Morales.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: He's super popular over in the Spider-Verse animated films.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: That's the whole other, yeah, offshoot series that's got such
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: a following.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like... I would think they'd want to cash
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: in on that. Yeah, we need live-action Miles.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Without a doubt. Yeah, so it just... And, of course,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: when you get, you know, kind of the core members,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: kind of the later iterations of the Young Avengers, it's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like it's Kamala... it's Miles, and then there's a character
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: called Sammy Alexander, who is a Nova, but the way
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: the MCU's done the Nova characters, he's a little different, too,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: because basically they're like dudes in ships as opposed to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: dudes in spacesuits running around with, like, sentient helmets and,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: you know, yada, yada. Whether or not we get an
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: actual Nova that's the version from the comics, we'll see.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: But at least we finally are starting to get the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: building blocks now of the Young Avengers being formed. So
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I was very excited to see that.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: I did like especially the very mirrored version of that.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Because it's been so long since that first one that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I was just like, and that's my running joke in
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: every post-credits scene of Whatever movie it is, it could
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: be a dumb rom-com. And then at the end, Samuel L.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Jackson shows up and he's like, hey, you want to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: be on my team? So they literally did a funny
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: version of that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I like that. And then, of course, we have our
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: big conflict and Monica seals up the rift in time
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and space that Supremor opened up, but now she's trapped
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: on the other side in another universe.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: Which we've already seen plenty of. So we know that's
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: out there, but now we can work in a whole
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: new universe people to start switching over.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the big thing, well, the one thing they
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: start us off with is, oh, she sees her mom. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: But her mom is not exactly her mom because she's.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: Well, at first, yeah, I was like, so her mom
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: didn't die. And then we get in, I was like, oh, no,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: this is just a different mom.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: But we had kind of laid that groundwork. Earlier in
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the film, when we see the flashbacks, when Carol's talking
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: to her mom, she's like, you should have been Captain Marvel,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: not me. Yeah. But I won the race, and so
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: that's why, blah, blah, blah. So this is that world. Like,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: what if, you know, not Monica, whatever her mom's name is. Yeah. But,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Colonel Rambo. Yeah, she basically could have been
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Captain Marvel, but she took the name Binary instead. So
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing. But the other big thing,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: of course, it was so funny, too, because when... And
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: she's talking to– Monica's talking to Binary, and we see
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a person in a big blue flash walk by. And
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I can hear the rumblings already in the theaters, and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: then you hear that voice. You hear the voice. I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, shit. They shelled out the money to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: bring him back. And I will say, good CGI on him.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: yeah and it was so funny because people like what
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: did they do in makeup like dude fucking kelsey grammars
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: push get close to 70 he doesn't want to be
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: in that shit.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: It doesn't need to be doing that the fact that
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: they brought him back like surprising really because you think
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: they'd be like let's just start anew and we can
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: do whatever we want from here on out but you
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: know fan service works.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah so make him a cg character and have kelsey
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: voice him but you can basically have hank do more
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: beast like things if we ever use him but It's interesting, though,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: that basically this is the way we have introduced a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: major member of the X-Men, our first one outside of
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Charles Xavier, kind of the little tease we got over
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. And spoilers, took him out immediately.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: So that universe no longer has the Charles Xavier. Yeah,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: but it's interesting that basically we bring in Hank McCoy
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: here because... One thing I've repeated Kevin Feige had said
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: is basically, you know, we have this avenue of trying
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: to bring in the mutants of the X-Men into this world.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to do a thing where they've
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: always kind of been here. They've been hiding in the shadows, yada, yada, yada.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: We're not going to do a open up a portal
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: and then 50 people walk out and they all have
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: powers like, hey, what's up with the X-Men? We brought
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: potato salad. Yeah. You know, we're not going to do that.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Then what the fuck do you do?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: You trap a hero over in another universe, she goes
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: through a portal, and over there, guess what? You got
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: fucking X-Men. Technically, they've always been there.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: They were so in the shadows, you didn't even know
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: they existed.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: So... So what are they going to do with this
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: development now? And again, we can.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, really, you could almost... I don't think they will,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: because we always come back to our same story. You
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: could just start doing movies in other places. And you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: could have entirely different cast and different people playing different roles.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Again, they like to confuse people.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: So that would confuse the hell out of some people.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: But you could just do, and now we're following Monica
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: over here. We're going to see what's going on in
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: this universe.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I don't think they're going to.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: They're going to find a way for her to get
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: back and then guess who's coming with her?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: A whole bunch of X-Men. Well, it seems to that
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: definitely because, I mean, you know, the most logical place
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: would be, you know, Kang Dynasty. We'll see them again. Yeah.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Or possibly even what... Deadpool 3 sounds like it's ramping
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: up to be a much bigger movie than what we
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: initially thought.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: It seemed like it was just a funny idea at first,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: and now they're like, oh, we can use this, actually.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I know they're doing a lot of joke stunt casting,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: because they're doing it with multiversal stuff, so we're going
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: to see some different iterations of Deadpool. I know for
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: a fact they've cast Dogpool, which basically is a dog
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: version of Deadpool, but it's like, It's one of those
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: dogs that won the ugliest dog contests or dogs. This
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: is not a normal-looking dog, but you put him in
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: a Deadpool suit and he's even less normal-looking. But yes,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those dogs. They've joked around
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: that we're going to see fan-casted Wolverines. Basically, of course,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: there was the joke years ago that, oh, let's cast
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Daniel Radcliffe as Wolverine. And so we may see a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Daniel Radcliffe Wolverine variant where he just basically looks very
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: maniacal and weird and whatever else. He can do that.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: He can pull it off. He can pull... I mean,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: the dude's got himself in shape. He can do all
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: kinds of.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen him in so many other things now.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: It's like, he's got range.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: He can do all kinds of stuff. You know, I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: think there's even like... We may get like a Tom
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Hardy Wolverine or something like that. It's basically like the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: much more rougher, tougher, you know, sort of thing like that.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: It's just.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of fun to be
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: had in Deadpool 3, but I think there's also going
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: to be some major shit that happens.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, if they really want to deliver on the joke,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: just go ahead and cast Danzig and give everybody the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: dumb stunt casting they've been asking for for like 25 years.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. In the pages of Wizard Magazine, we cast
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Glenn Danzig as Wolverine a long time ago because he's short,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: he's muscular, and he's furry. And he seems pissed off
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: all day long. But that's exactly what Wolverine is. You
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: got to style his hair a little differently, give him
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: some claws, and boom, you got your Wolverine right there.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: So at this point, if we need like an old
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: version of Wolverine, there's your stunt casting.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there is an old man Wolverine. Yeah. Some
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: old man Logans are going on out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: That's what we need. But yeah, so there's a lot
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: of questions about where we're going from here. A lot
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: of big stuff to be done before. I mean, that's...
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: That's the thing, too, is like, you know, how far
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: did the strikes push things back? Because we're expecting our
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: first Avengers film, I think, in 25, I believe?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: 25 or 26, something like that? So, you know, is
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff pushed back? What have we got
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: left to do? And is Marvel going to kind of
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: maybe learn from their lesson of maybe, like, let's pare
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: shit down a little bit? Like, let's really, like, if
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to have movies come out, let's make sure
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: that either... we're introducing something, something to add to it,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: not just we have to put these characters in and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: fill this void.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like we've had a good amount of,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know, here, put this out. So like in
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: both avenues, both series and in movies. So yeah, I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: don't know if they can just focus and figure out
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: what they need exactly.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: And granted, this is a huge puzzle that they're working on.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: It's fine that you want to bring in new characters
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: to the fold, new sides of the Marvel Universe to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: the fold. That's cool. But you also have to understand
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: that that works in the comics where you can have
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: a Moon Knight character and a supernatural kind of setting
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: pop up. He's doing his own thing. It's not connected
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: to the superhero stuff, and that's fine. But to the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: general audience, Moon Knight's got to connect to something. He's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: got to show up with Spider-Man or with Captain America
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: at some point. Somewhere. If you're in the universe, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: You can't just have this separate door that no one
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: ever goes into. It's got to open to something somewhere. So,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: they've got to get a little bit better with their connectivity,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, hey, if we don't necessarily need
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: this character for the big thing we've got coming up next,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: which is basically, happens to be our Avengers films, that's
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: kind of what we've established now, like, you know, basically,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: you know... The TV shows and some of the smaller movies,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: those are your regular weekly wrestling shows. But Avengers, those
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: are your big WrestleManias right there. That's your big pay-per-view.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: You get to the steel cage match.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: You better have some impressive people in that cage.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: We need to see Hogan and Andre do their thing
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: in the next Avengers movie. So that's kind of the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: pattern we've gone here. So it's like, well, if we
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily need... These characters, we don't need to fill
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: in the Marvel Universe with a whole bunch of shit
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: we don't need. We need to be much more strategic
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: about what we're releasing, what we're putting out, so that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: everything makes sense when we get to the end. Now, granted,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: that may happen when we get to Kang Dasty in
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Secret Wars, but right now, it seems like we've got
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: much more of a melting pot than we did with
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: the previous phase. And that's not necessarily a good thing,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: because we don't know where all the ingredients come into.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: And I don't think they did either. I don't think
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: they did either, yeah. I think they got midway into
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: this run and went, wait, what are we doing?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: They're focused on these little ones, but they did a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: really good job in that last phase of like having
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: the eyes on the prize and like everything's coming to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: this we know we've got a bigger plan with what
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: we're doing and then after that was done they were
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: like shit what do we do now like there's been
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of struggling to figure that out and then
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: keep moving towards the right goal yeah I.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Think, too, they had an easier time in the first phase.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: We're building the Avengers. We're building the Avengers to the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: point where they will fight Thanos for the Infinity Gauntlet
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: and the fate of all existence. You can wrap your
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: head around that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: We all knew that, yeah.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: You can wrap your head around that. We don't know
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: exactly where this is all going. We know there's a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: lot of multidimensional stuff. There's timey-wimey stuff. Possibly we're going
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: to be getting into some of these dimensions will start
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: dying off like we saw in Doctor Strange.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: So let's kind of get the ball rolling here.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: And again, because all of that can, as I've said before,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: get really convoluted. It's like I feel like you've got
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: to have your plan and focus in because we got
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: to that point, especially by endgame. We're dealing with time
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: travel and we're already doing all kinds of crazy looping
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: around and characters... fighting themselves and like something that could
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: have gone off the rails and they people have issues
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: with in-game but i'm like it works pretty well like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: for as much stuff as is going on in that
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: two and a half hours like it is still or
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: however well it's more than that but it's like there's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: a lot going on and somehow it never really gets
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: out of control like you're still on board with what's
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: going on you know where all the characters are and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: by the end you know what they're doing it's like
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: that's easy to get out of control and like i
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: feel like That could be where they're heading if they
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: don't kind of get a focus on it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: And figure out everything beforehand. And I think one of
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: the main focuses we need to do is we need
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: to have a second generation of Avengers.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: We need an establishment of another team that's there to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: face the big threat that's coming. And right now we
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: don't have that. We've got a bunch of scattered heroes
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: that aren't united.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And we don't like, again, we don't even have
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: of the ones we had left. They've all kind of
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: been doing their own. Like, again, some of the movies work.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: Some of them don't. Yeah. It's like it's it's hit
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: and miss. And then we've got all these new people
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: we're trying to introduce. But I'm like, it's back and forth, too.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's in the movies. Sometimes it's in the shows.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: And it's like that confuses people, too.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot to juggle. Yeah, it
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: was like the Avengers that we have left, the only
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: one who's really addressed the loss of his team is Hawkeye. Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: We saw that in his show. He's retired, essentially. Yeah,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: he's basically kind of retired. But again, he's human. He
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any powers. Yeah. So it makes more sense
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: for him to not be in the fray much anymore.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: They'll probably pull his ass out. I'm sure for... Extra
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: long cameos. Yeah, for the big stuff. But it's like
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Steve Rogers has been MIA and retired out of the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: game since Endgame. Thor really hasn't addressed it because, again,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: he's a god. He's been through a lot of stuff.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: But we didn't really see Thor's addressing of part of
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: my team is dead. The rest of them are either
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: MIA or whatever else.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: He literally did not know what he was doing. And
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: we watched that through that whole last movie of like,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: what do I do now? So he's wandering around with
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: his only connection to another team that didn't really want.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Him after a while. And we saw Hulk kind of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: meandering a little bit in Ragnarok, but then we really
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: haven't seen Hulk. We saw him a little bit in She-Hulk,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: but it's like, Not much. So it's like, yeah, it's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: like there's been– the Avengers have folded. There's been nothing
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: that's taken its place. And so it's like we need
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: kind of like– we need to start bringing it home.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would almost– again, I know they've got so
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: much invested in all these other ones. But like you
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: could almost slowly retire all the previous ones and just– again,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: they could have just started doing the shows of nothing
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: but the kids.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: And had them all like introduced already and then work
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: their way up to a movie with all of them
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: together and maybe slowly fade out some of the ones
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: that are still around. But like, I don't know, like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: I feel like they, they didn't know what to do
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: with it and it's been scattered and kind of different pieces.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Cause when you've got some heroes they've established as being
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: the next generation, like, you know, Sam Wilson, he's now
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: captain America. Um, what's Bucky going to do? I don't
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: know yet. And even Sam, I don't know.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: Like again, that was another one that was hit and
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: miss for me. It's like, sometimes there was good stuff
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: going on there. Sometimes it didn't seem like they knew
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: what they were doing with, with that character and with
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: the whole combination of the two of them.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: So I, I liked the playoff between the two of them,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it took a little bit for them to
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: finally like, let's get Sam in the suit and embracing
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: being captain America, which was by the last episode. Yeah.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I could have done with that in episode five. And then,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: have more of it in episode six, but yeah, they,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: they literally waited to the end to have this. It's like, okay, well, yeah. Uh,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, granted, he's got a movie coming up, which
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I want to start seeing some more stuff about that now. Uh,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like, we need to kind of, one
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: thing I would actually like to see is if we
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: get a combination of some of the leftover next generation heroes,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: like your, you know, Sam Wilson's, you know, whatever, or your, um, uh,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Yelena Belova, the white widow, you know, you know, seeing her,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: you know, pop up. We haven't seen her at all
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: since then.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Like we saw her do the little recruiting her.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: It was like Hawkeye.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: Then we saw the flashback version of recruiting her in.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: And then I kept thinking, okay, so we're going somewhere
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: with her. And I thought of that earlier today. I
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, we haven't seen her since then. I
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: knew that's where they were going with her was Thunderbolts,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: but I'm like, they didn't really do anything in between now.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: And then she just disappeared.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Basically it was just, you know, black widow Hawkeye. And
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: then basically the next time we'll see her against Thunderbolts. So, um, yeah,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: I could deal with more with her. but getting a
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: mixture of maybe getting like Ms. Marvel and Kate Bishop
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: on this other Avengers team.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: But then eventually, cause kind of what happened at one
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: point in the Avengers that they did have a multi-generational
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Avengers where you had some older members and then you
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: had a lot of younger members. And then at one
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: point there's a rift that happens and the younger members
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: are like, we don't like the way you guys are
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: always doing things. There's a smarter and better way to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: be a hero. That's actually helping people. And not causing
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: so much stupid rampant destruction that happens once a week.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: But that's what we do. So basically the younger groups,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: they basically bring back the champion's name again. And then
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: you've got now a younger generation of heroes that is
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: being led by Kamala and Miles and a couple other,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Ironheart, a few others. And they're like, we
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: can be better heroes than what the old guard are doing.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: Right. Racing to get to the same thing. They're like
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: those ambulance companies that are both competing to get to
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: the trauma at first.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to save you. No, I'm going to save you. Well,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: for instance, a big thing is superheroes come in, they
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: beat up the bad guy, they destroy five blocks of
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: office buildings, and they split. They're done. That's how all
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: these go. What about maybe helping rescue survivors? What about cleanup?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: What about rebuilding? What about maybe not fighting in busy
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: city streets? Maybe trying to take the fight to a
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: less populated area? It's always a good plan. It doesn't
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: always happen. These are some of the things that Kamala
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: and her team start doing and bringing up. Let's be
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: smarter and better heroes. I would like to see An
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: iteration of that, where basically, like, you know, they do team,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: you know, basically kind of do a multi-generational Avengers. And
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: then eventually there's the split of, like, the younger kids
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: are going to do this better than the old guard do.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: And let's see them do more and, you know, start
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: following them a bit more. So I would like to
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: see something like that.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: Definitely.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Will we? Don't know. Who knows at this point.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm with you, though. We need to... We need
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: to stop noodling Jerry Garcia and get to the fucking
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: chorus and end of the song and get to the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: next track.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I will say that I was kind of impressed
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: direction wise. Again, I think more of the issues was
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: the overall story, which it's according.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: To IMDB, there's three writers.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: She's one of them, but like it probably got muddied
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: up with the powers that be going, Oh, we got to.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: Do this and we do this.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: And so you got to cram all this in here
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: and wrap it up in an hour and 45 minutes. So,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: but as far as, Because, again, she's still a pretty
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: new director. She's directed, I think, this is maybe the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: third feature?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: So, like... Yeah, now, her Candyman, uh, recall, remake, sequel,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call that, was brilliant. Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: I've heard nothing but good things. So, now I really
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: want to go back and watch it.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was like.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: But, again, super low budget compared to what we're dealing
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: with here. So, like, to be thrown into this kind
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: of huge production... I think it's still pretty solid as
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: far as visuals and just delivering pretty much again for,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: for a lot of crazy story going on, you could
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: be totally overwhelmed by that.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I was, I thought she did a good job.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: So I, and I like again, watching what little I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: have of, of her as interacting with the actors.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: I think she bonded with those three. And I think
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: that's the stuff that comes through.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: That's you see her like, delivering on the interaction part
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: and like seeing what a good bond these three have
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: off screen and like, well, how do we make that
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: work on screen? So again, I think that stuff works
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: and she found a way to have that come through,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: even if the overall plan is sort of glossed over
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: and crammed in there.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the dynamic between the three of them is
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: what makes this movie work.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. Yeah. And you're absolutely right. We
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: said earlier, like it's just, you know, Monica and Kamala
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: humanize Carol.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Because she needed a whole lot of that. And by
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: the end, they even give almost.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: the backstory of, like, why she's been a tool for
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: the last 20 years.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Like, even in the last movie, they're like, hey, where
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: have you been? Earth's falling apart. I've got other stuff
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: to do, you know. There's other people. So, it always
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: seemed like her just being defensive.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And, like, so now we know, eh. There's kind
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: of a lot of guilt going on there, too.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: She's had some major screw-ups.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: She's made some major screw-ups, and not coming back was
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: her way of dealing with it. Just like, I've got
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: other things to do, and nobody out here knows me,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: and they don't have to judge me that I did
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: some horrible things. So, yeah, that at least gives her
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: a reason that was more than like, again, she was
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: so not really likable in either of what little she
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: was in the other Avenger movie, but even when she shows.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Up, it's just like, yay, you're super-powered, whatever, but... And
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that the Marvel writers are
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: learning a bit more is that it's great to have
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: this representation of having strong female characters, but you've also
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: got to have good, well-written ones. She-Hulk kind of ran
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: through the ringer basically almost being too perfect. And so
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: that was kind of a flaw with that show. That's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: been a major flaw with Carol. But on the flip side,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: that's why we love Kamala so much. Kamala's amazing. Because
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: she's human.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: Like she's more human than anybody else out there and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: yet has these amazing powers too. So it's not even
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: like she doesn't have powers and that's why she taps
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: into that. It's like, no, she has these amazing powers
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: now and maybe even more so with both bands.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: But she's so human.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: That it makes her so much more impressive as a
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: hero and just sort of lovable as a character.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: So Marvel's funny. We're seeing Carol have some issues that
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: show that she's not perfect. We see in the Loki series,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Sylvie in the second season makes a lot of... She's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: got a lot of issues. And I haven't seen the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: first couple episodes. She's got a lot of issues and
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: has made some big mistakes of things. And to basically
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: accept help from a male character or Whatever else. So
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: it's good that we're finally getting better written female characters
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: as good as their male counterparts. We're just not putting
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: females in strong roles and they have no flaws. No, no, no.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: You have to have both so we can humanize and
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: relate with you. That's why no one likes Superman because
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: you can't relate to him. We started solid. Black Widow
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: was definitely a flawed character with him. Sketchy backstories.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: Like, we started pretty solid with her, and I think
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: even Wanda, even at the get-go, like, she was so
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: messed up about her childhood that, like, before she made
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: a full villain turn, essentially, like, she was pretty well
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: fleshed out. So, yeah, we had some good examples, but, yeah,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: along the way, they were busy trying to put a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: lot in there, but you can't just throw them in.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: It's like, you really do need to write solid characters.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: That's one thing I appreciate so much about Yelena is
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: that Natasha had just as much of a screwed up past,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: has done a lot of very sketchy, dark things, but
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: Yelena loves her job. She has fun with it. She
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any misconceptions about who she is, what she is,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Probably doing heroic things will
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: be a little bit different for her, but she's pretty
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: self-actualized about who and what she is. And so that
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: comes off as just Florence Pugh's performance. Again, I can't
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: get enough of her.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: Casting-wise, that's such a great move because she's awesome in everything.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: So yeah, to then give her this interesting character. So
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: I do want to see more of her.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. The thing is, the characters we've really
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: started to like, we don't get to see enough of. Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: There's too much. Going on, it's like, can we just
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: focus on the ones we want to see?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, man, that's kind of how it goes in
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: the books, too. There's sometimes that Marvel wants to push, oh,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: we got this new book here to push, and no
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: one cares about that because, like, that's okay. But, well,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: this book over here that no one's talking about, that's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: a good book. And so then sometimes those are sleeper
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: hits or whatever else. So, yeah, the movie's going to
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: go that way, too. But, again, we need to get
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: our focus back. We need to get to the point
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: of the story. Well, have we mostly hit all of
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: these things? I think we have.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: Because if so, then I will throw out. I said
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: I had another part to this interactive thing.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: Because I've, as mentioned on this episode, and many lately,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: had a lot of issues. We've even skipped some superhero
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: movies over the years.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: Like... if this one hadn't have had Kamala, I don't
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: know how, I.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Don't even know if I would have bothered doing an episode.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: So that's, that's what I'm asking. I know you're going
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: to go see them all anyway, but like, I don't know.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: Sometimes if there's ones I'm not that thrilled with, I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: don't know how much I want to put into it.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: So I'm asking people listening. If anyone listening, I rarely
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: hear from people. So if you care and want us
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: to keep, Hitting specific ones, bigger tent poles, hit and miss.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Again, I don't know that I want
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: to do everything across the board, especially whatever the hell
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: DC is doing. It's hit and miss for a lot
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: of stuff in DC land.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: More miss than hit. Well, and even the Sony stuff
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: coming up. I'm looking at those going... I don't care
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: about Venom.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get excited about another Venom movie. Well,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: and the next one's supposed to be Kraven the Hunter. Yeah,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think I care about him either.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Like, they're doing all these other things, and I'm like,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: I don't. So I don't really want to do across
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: the board every comic book movie ever made.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Aquaman's coming up right around Christmas time.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: I can't say I really give two shits about that one.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I watched the trailer today, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't care the first time. I don't care now either.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: It kind of looks fun, but it's like... I'm just
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: going to wait for Max.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: And once again, we've already killed off this whole line.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: So this is just sort of the death rattle of.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: And look, we still made another movie. Well, see, that's
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: the confusing thing about the Aquaman shit is because we
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: assume things are done, but, But then we had that
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: horrible Flash movie and Aquaman pops up in there and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: they drop the whole line of like, oh, well, Aquaman's
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: the same in all universes. So he's like a constant.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Is he? So it's like, okay, so does that mean
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: we're not done with Jason Momoa?
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: They just like Momoa and they want a backdoor. We
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: want to keep him in here if we can because
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: he's hot and chicks like him.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: And the same thing goes for Gal Gadot. Her third
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: movie got tanked. Patty Jenkins got fired. But Gal's still
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: with us. Yeah. Basically, James Gunn and Warner Brothers said, no,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: we're going to develop another Wonder Woman thing with Gal,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: but she's still our Wonder Woman.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: And still same line?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Or this new universe just happens to be the same actress?
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: Who knows?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: At this point, I can give you a large shrug.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 9: After 1984... that's got a lot of issues and that's
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 9: the thing too is that you know basically we've got
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 9: Aquaman is our next film the DC stuff coming out
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 9: like I said right around Christmas time.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: And then really our next DC thing would be James
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Gunn's Superman Legacy which they've been able to return to
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: production now but that's going to be our next thing
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: we see and that ushers in a whole new universe
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: and new characters or new iterations of characters we've already
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: seen like we're getting a younger Superman yeah So I
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: don't know what that means for the previous rents. Now,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think anyone knows what any
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: of this means. The only thing we do know is
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: that Blue Beetle will exist in this new universe because
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: they did connect. The movie is connected within the DC stuff.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: They've named dropped Batman and a couple other things named
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: dropped in there. But they also kept it separate enough
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: that it can exist on its own.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: Or we could drop it in over here if we
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: want to.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: And people seem to like it. So let's do that.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: And though it didn't do well in the theaters, it
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: was actually well received. It is an enjoyable film. For
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: fans of the old school Blue Beetle, lots of Ted
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Kord love in there. You get a nice little stinger
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: seeing the shows that Ted Kord stole with us and
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So there's more potential for
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: that stuff to go on. And we know... James Gunn
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: wants to develop a Booster Gold project, and Booster and
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Blue Beetle are literally buddy cops joined at the hip,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: so you can't have one without the other. So, we
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: know there's going to be some sort of future, and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Blue Beetle is involved in this, James Gunn and Warner Bros.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: have said so. So we know he's safe. So if
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: you liked Blue Beetle, you liked, I can't remember the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: name of the kid's name that was in Cobra Cob,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: he did a great job. He's still got a job.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: So if you like Blue Beetle, you like that, you're safe,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: we're good to go, we're going to see more of him.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: For the rest of this shit, I don't fucking know.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: And that's what drives me nuts, is that we're not
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: getting anything. So that's why my status is. I don't know.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: That's why I said earlier, I want to watch these
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: weird old drive-in movies.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Cause I don't know how many of these new ones
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: coming out. I want to see. So I'm fine with
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: us still sitting here.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: Talking whenever you want, but we might not be talking
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: about superheroes all the time.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: If anybody feels differently, Hey, write in emails on the website,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: go to movie meltdown.com. Tell me what the hell you think.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: Cause I don't know. I, I, Otherwise, we're just going
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: to do whatever the hell we want.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Damn right.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: And that's my plan all the time. But I will
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: at least take it into account if anyone out there cares.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: I just assume nobody does.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: The one person I know usually does, I just talk
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: to and I'm planning stuff for them.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: There you go. There you go.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: If you're cool, we'll interact with you and we'll plan
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: stuff for you too, maybe. So throw it out there.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: But otherwise, we're just going to do whatever the hell
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: we want.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: That's right. All right. Anything else to round it out?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: I think we've covered all the gamut there.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: Do you want to tell people where to find you
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: when you're not? We had a lull here because I
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: was falling apart. While you were away from here, you
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: still do your own thing. Tell people about that.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: I got my own podcast, The Fanatic Forum. You can
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: find me on Facebook and YouTube. I go live Friday
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: nights at 7pm. We basically discuss all things geek. I
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: do new comic book reviews every show and then The
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: subject from there changes. So like this past week, we
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: discussed season two of Loki in full. And then my
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: plan for the next few weeks, at least kind of
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: rounding up possibly the end of the year, is I'm
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: going to kind of delve more into deep dives of
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: some of my favorite movies. Maybe you guys have heard
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: of them. Maybe you haven't. So I'm picking some... I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: like to pick some stuff that's old school and... Sometimes
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: it surprises me because I did a deep dive on
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite 80s film, Streets of Fire. I've
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: discussed that on this show. We've definitely discussed that. Yeah.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: And when I discussed on my own show, I was
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: surprised the amount of people that are of the proper
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: age that should have been familiar with this movie that weren't. Yeah.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: It's so hit and miss on that stuff. Yeah. That
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: you never.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: Well, and then definitely as you get further out, because
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: I was just listening to a show.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: And like they were.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: Talking about, again, it's a much older title, but I'm
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: just like they were talking about the Swamp Thing movie
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: like it was the most obscure thing.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: And I've never heard of it.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, we all grew up with Swamp Thing.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: What were you like?
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: I know they're of a younger generation, so it just
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: totally over their head.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: But I'm just like. it's so hit and miss with that.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: You never know what level of geek they are or
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: just even, even if you're hardcore, sometimes you just miss
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: specific things.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you just never know what page people are on.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah. So I'm, I'm definitely going to try to
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: bring to light, you know, some of my favorite and
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to, I'm doing both film and TV because
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: my one TV thing I'm definitely doing is bringing up
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: the glory that is police squad. because many of you
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: guys may be familiar with the airplane films, and you
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: definitely know The Naked Gun, but The Naked Gun came
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: from Police Squad.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: From the files of Police Squad.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: A beautiful series that lasted only six episodes. That's what
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: I was going to say. I thought it was only six. Yeah,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: it was way ahead of its time for television. Movies,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: you were ready for it, but on TV, we were not.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: And so it tanked like a mofo, but then they
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: brought it back a few years later in film, and
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: suddenly Leslie Nielsen's a star again. Yeah. But yeah, if
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: you've not seen Police Squad, like I said, six episodes.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Especially if you know your old cop shows, they just
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: hit those hard.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: It was pretty amazing. I feel like they got overdone
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: with the movies. I kind of got sick of... A
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: lot of what was going on, especially later, Leslie Nielsen,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: where he just beat that horse to death. But, yeah,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: those early police squad, like, it was still new, and, like,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: it's still, like, spiraling off of his airplane craziness, and, like,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: it worked so well.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the third one I would maybe say was maybe
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: a little too much, but the first two naked guns, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I can't be mad at anything Leslie did.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Because I grew up loving him so much. So, I mean,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I celebrate the man's work even his less than stellar ones.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: He just got so in that mode that that's all
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: he did the whole last half of his life, basically.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: To me, it's way more interesting when you go back
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: pre-airplane and see him in legit roles. And he was
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: a villain quite a few times in those early days.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Or doing like Forbidden Planet. Or yeah, trying to be
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: a leading man. He's the big hero. It's way more
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: interesting seeing him do that stuff. So I like that
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: older stuff when he's.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: Like, before he realized that shtick and that's all he
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: did for the rest of his career. I like seeing
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: him still doing other things. That's way more fun for me.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: To listen to behind the scenes stories of him on
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: the first airplane is, It just gives me such joy
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: because this was like his first opportunity to do a
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: comedic thing. No one ever thought of him. His career
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: is basically over at this point. Yeah. Because he'd gotten older.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: He wasn't the young leading man anymore. He wasn't going
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, go-to leading man ever again. So
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: who would have thought that would happen, you know? But
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: just the... because it was so funny because you had
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: like him and uh uh peter graves and robert stack
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: in this movie now robert stack got it a little
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: bit he didn't have but peter graves did not get
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: the movie and.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: In a way that's why it works like it's so
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: funny watching his scenes because it's like he doesn't know
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: he's in that movie like he thinks he's making airport
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: you know it's like he's He's still, like, it's why
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: those are so funny, I feel like.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: And even after the film was released and years later, like,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: he just was completely puzzled by the fandom and the
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: popularity of that movie. And he just, he did not
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: get it. But then, like, Leslie, on the other hand, like,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: made a fart machine out of like pvc pipe but
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: he makes his cup in his hand and make fart
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: noises right around the set doing pranks and stuff like
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: that just having a blast because now he's got this
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: whole new life to his career whether or not he
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: knew this was going to add a whole new facet
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: to it he was just going to have fun on
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: this set the.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: Fact that it in like ignited that in him you
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: know it's like it had always been there and he
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: had nothing to do with it obviously Because, yeah, I
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: just saw somebody, they were releasing like a super cut
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: because I think when he did press tour for that movie,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: he took it with him on the talk shows. Yeah.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: And kept doing it. Yep. He's ridiculous. And that was just,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: you know. Just how much joy he brought to me
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: watching his movies over the years. Because even Repossessed is
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: a piece of garbage.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: I've seen that one more than most of them. I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: saw that in theater. Thank you very much.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: During the Halloween season, I went looking for it and
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: found it on YouTube. I literally had to buy it
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: for like five bucks. But I now own a digital
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: copy of Repossessed now. You lucky bastard. But it's been
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: out of print for years, and while it's a one-note
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: parody movie making fun of The Exorcist... uh it is
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: did not age.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: Well well it's also like it's almost a kentucky fried
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: movie because everything is like its own little skit almost
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: in the overarching story but then they'll cut away and
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: it's like there's this thing where we're making fun of
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: jim and tammy and there's this thing we're making about
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: like there's all those timely like remember how much people
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: are into fitness let's do a five minute bit where
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: he goes to a fitness center and i was like
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: this is just its own separate thing.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: And that's nothing to do with repossessed. But there's a
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: lot of jokes that didn't age well. They were timely.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: They're all so specific to that moment when they made
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: that move.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, so it's bad. But God, it's still,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I just love Leslie so much.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: So how do we know? We were going to start
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: off talking about You know, Marvel stuff. Marvel and in
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: with Leslie Nielsen. But yeah, that's what basically the next
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: few weeks I'm going to be covering on the Fanatic
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Forum is delving a little bit more into some of
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies that you may or may not be
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: familiar with. So hopefully if I can get you guys
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: to discover something new, all the better. Yep, that's always good.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: Finding those missing portions of your geekdom and filling them in.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: Or just uncovering gems that just need to be, you know,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: they need to be known more.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I'd say otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: We will return next time.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: Same geek feed.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Teaching FN.
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