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Ari Temkin on Utah's Holy War win, Devon Dampier for Heisman (?), Texas Tech's thriller over WV + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Be tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're rolling on a Monday.
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  Speaker 1: The Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: The Utes are still undefeated.
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  Speaker 1: They are firmly atop the standings in the Big 12 Conference.
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  Speaker 1: And Big 12 insider Ari Temkin joins us every Monday
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  Speaker 1: to recap the wild weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Did any other games happen this weekend in the Big 12, Ari?
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  Speaker 1: We were just so caught up in the red wave
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  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake City with Utah getting over the
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  Speaker 1: hump against BYU.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great, yeah. I mean, there were a lot of
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  Speaker 3: incredible games, actually, with crazy finishes. Devin Dampier was not
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  Speaker 3: the only quarterback to catch a pass. but he was
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  Speaker 3: one of the few to not catch a touchdown pass. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was quite the week for the Utes for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for me, OC, I'm curious for your thoughts,
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  Speaker 3: but referencing that catch by Dampier and the fourth-down decision
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  Speaker 3: by Creed Whittemore, the fourth-down decision by Kevin McGiven to
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  Speaker 3: basically put the ball in Creed Whittemore's hands with Devin
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  Speaker 3: Dampier down the field. I don't know that you can
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  Speaker 3: think of a better metaphor for the antithesis of the
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham era than that play on fourth down. I
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  Speaker 3: think we can all agree that if Kyle Whittingham were
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  Speaker 3: the head coach of Utah, they would have run the
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  Speaker 3: ball downhill on that exact situation. But there's no better
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  Speaker 3: example and metaphor, again, of just the difference and discrepancy
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  Speaker 3: between these two programs under Morgan Scali and Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 3: in that decision. Look, I think we've known this for
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  Speaker 3: weeks now, but maybe no better example of the brass
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  Speaker 3: balls from mark harlan in utah to make that decision
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  Speaker 3: because what it was quite the gamble they knew what
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  Speaker 3: they were doing clearly and you know wouldn't when the
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  Speaker 3: weekends with jason back losing his job at the o
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  Speaker 3: c and michigan by the way on the hook for
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  Speaker 3: ten million on jason back i i just think it's
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  Speaker 3: a great reminder of uh... how big of a difference
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  Speaker 3: maker morgan scali isn't and again just that the move
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  Speaker 3: by mark harlan to pull the trigger there when it
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  Speaker 3: was such a gamble especially from the outside Yeah. I,
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  Speaker 3: that was something that, you know, back when it happened
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  Speaker 3: and the transition plan, and then you see the emails, right?
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  Speaker 1: The public information records request. And it's like, yeah, okay, Kyle,
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  Speaker 1: you want to stay? Well, this is what it's going
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  Speaker 1: to look like if you do stay and you put.
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  Speaker 2: It in the context of what, what he did for
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  Speaker 2: the program.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a difficult decision to make, to say, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to put our foot down here.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to have to be this way.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand why coach wind ended up doing what
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  Speaker 1: he did. And I understand why, I think more fully
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  Speaker 1: now why they knew it was time. I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: results obviously speak for themselves, but beyond just the winning,
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  Speaker 1: the tone of the program, the way the players have
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  Speaker 1: reacted to Morgan Scali as the head coach, the way
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  Speaker 1: the community has, the way that he has represented, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even just in his press conferences, it's, he was very
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  Speaker 1: clearly more ready to take over this job than even
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  Speaker 1: those of us who were most optimistic about believed that
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  Speaker 1: he was like, he's a first year head coach who
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  Speaker 1: acts like he's a 10 year head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and look, I mean, trying to upgrade Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Whittingham nine times out of 10, you're not going to,
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  Speaker 3: you're not, you know, and obviously they've upgraded in an,
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  Speaker 3: in the immediate, but it's, it's not just the, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: they're a better team. It's more of the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what the offensive firepower, what we've been talking about all season,
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  Speaker 3: it's just the, the ingenious purse personnel packages and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just every approach on offense, you know, and the.
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  Speaker 4: Fact that all of these holdovers played such a significant
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  Speaker 4: role in the outcome of this particular game and the
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  Speaker 4: linebackers in particular guys that had played three, four years
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  Speaker 4: for Kyle Whittingham and certainly for Morgan too, but.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the linebacker, especially in the second half.
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  Speaker 4: Of that game with those three interceptions, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, how tremendous was that in.
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  Speaker 4: The second half? That it was basically like, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, long-tenured linebackers that have been around this program for
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  Speaker 3: a long time. And then, of course, Dampier, who Morgan
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  Speaker 3: emotionally talked after the game about going post-Christmas to see
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  Speaker 3: him and tell him that he wanted to help give
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  Speaker 3: him that fairytale ending. what if if you're devon dampier
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  Speaker 3: it's obvious to see that you made the right choice
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  Speaker 3: after he knew that from day one of training camp
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  Speaker 3: we saw the playbook in and figure out what they
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  Speaker 3: were look like offensively because this is just such a
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  Speaker 3: far cry from the very conservative downhill running style kyle
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  Speaker 3: whittingham and Yeah, I mean, I'm sure not even Mark
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  Speaker 3: Harland realized it would go this well this quickly, but again,
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  Speaker 3: they knew they had a much better insight into this
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  Speaker 3: is the right move at the right time than certainly
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  Speaker 3: we did from the outside looking in. Again, if you
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  Speaker 3: look at all those wins that he had, more times
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  Speaker 3: than not, when you move on from a coach like that,
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  Speaker 3: you regret it, and obviously this is not one of
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  Speaker 3: those instances.
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  Speaker 1: It's been incredible so far, and I guess the next
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  Speaker 1: question is, can Utah keep it going? They've got a
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  Speaker 1: tough game against a really good Arizona team. They are
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  Speaker 1: the last remaining undefeated squad in the Big 12 Conference,
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  Speaker 1: one of the final two in all of college football.
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  Speaker 1: And Arizona, of course, has an extra day of rest.
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  Speaker 1: Utah coming off a wildly emotional BYU win. These are
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  Speaker 1: the trap spots. They avoided the last one after Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Can they avoid it again in the desert?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, in Arizona, they're a very good
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  Speaker 3: football team. We know about how experienced and good Fafita is.
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  Speaker 3: The advantage I see for Utah in this game is...
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  Speaker 3: The losses for Arizona have really been an issue with
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  Speaker 3: their ability to run the ball. And that's where I
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  Speaker 3: see Utah really being able to take over this game
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  Speaker 3: is their ability to stop the run and basically force
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  Speaker 3: Tafita to have to be in. And that's not to
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  Speaker 3: say that he can't, but in the games they've lost,
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  Speaker 3: Tafita's put up big numbers, but the running game has
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  Speaker 3: just been nonexistent. And I can see that being a
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  Speaker 3: huge part of what Utah's going to try to do
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  Speaker 3: in this game. And then the other side of this
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  Speaker 3: is Arizona's got a very good front seven defense.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: and ill will see what the situation is a place
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  Speaker 3: on park right now he's been hobbled for multiple weeks
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  Speaker 3: now and so he's not the same player erica stop
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  Speaker 3: around on defense their front seven is very good now
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  Speaker 3: they have issues the back of their defense and they've
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  Speaker 3: got major injuries there uh... yes so i think that
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  Speaker 3: could be an area where you tell the truth point
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  Speaker 3: them to the air because we've seen obviously such a
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  Speaker 3: multi-faceted attack uh... but look at it in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the big twelve title picture it utah now has a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of breathing room here. You know, they basically
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  Speaker 3: just need to find themselves outside of that logjam of
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  Speaker 3: two lost teams. So even with one loss, I think
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  Speaker 3: they're still in good position. Now, when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: the CFP and it comes to multiple bits for the
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 and, you know, can Utah, should Utah be
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  Speaker 3: number one, you obviously want to see them keep winning
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  Speaker 3: and keep this undefeated streak alive. The Big 12 is...
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  Speaker 3: have to do that, and it's going to be very
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  Speaker 3: difficult because they've got a tricky couple of three games
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  Speaker 3: coming up here to close the season.
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  Speaker 2: What does this do to BYU?
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  Speaker 1: There are still people in Provo who think an at-large
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  Speaker 1: bid is within their grasp because you'd have to really
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  Speaker 1: backdoor your way into the conference championship game now because
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  Speaker 1: of that UCF loss. Do the Cougars have any kind
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  Speaker 1: of realistic opportunity to be a playoff team still?
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  Speaker 3: I think so. Playoff, okay, maybe. Obviously, getting to a
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 championship game would go a long way in that.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think they're not out of it for
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12 title race because Texas Tech, they still
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  Speaker 3: have Oklahoma State and they still have Baylor. Baylor is
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  Speaker 3: a brand-new team. They've won two straight under Joe Klanderman.
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  Speaker 3: DJ Lagway has looked phenomenal these last two weeks. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure what they've been doing differently, but it's been
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  Speaker 3: a lot different since Dave Aranda got fired. They've been
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  Speaker 3: a hot team, so suddenly that game for Texas Tech
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  Speaker 3: doesn't look too easy. And then, again, Oklahoma State, they
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  Speaker 3: have the best quarterback in the Big 12, arguably. And
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  Speaker 3: so Tech has a few opportunities to lose here. And really,
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting because Cincinnati, in many ways, might hold the
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  Speaker 3: key to the tiebreakers with all those two-loss teams because
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  Speaker 3: the majority of them beat Cincinnati with the exception of
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  Speaker 3: Texas Tech, if BYU has a chance to close out
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  Speaker 3: the year with a win over Cincinnati, which again could
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  Speaker 3: be a tiebreaker. But those five teams are now log
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  Speaker 3: jammed with just two losses, including the aforementioned Baylor Bears.
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  Speaker 3: So if Tech finds itself losing one of its next
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  Speaker 3: three games, which it very well could, suddenly then that
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  Speaker 3: opens up the door for BYU and for many of
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  Speaker 3: the other two lost teams.
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  Speaker 1: Ari Temkin, our guest here, talking all things Big 12.
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  Speaker 1: Utah still atop the Big 12, undefeated after a big
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  Speaker 1: Holy War victory. In the sports books now, Devin Dampier
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  Speaker 1: is fourth best odds. I think he's tied for fourth
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  Speaker 1: best odds to win a Heisman Trophy. I love me
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  Speaker 1: some Devin Dampier, and we loved him last year also.
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  Speaker 1: I still didn't think that this would be anything close
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  Speaker 1: to a realistic conversation toward the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think enough people have watched all of
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  Speaker 1: Utah's games. I don't think he's statistically dominant enough that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be the first name ever.
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  Speaker 2: Out of people's mouths. But if you.
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  Speaker 1: Actually watch this team play, he's as valuable to the
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  Speaker 1: Utes as any quarterback is to their team. And Utah
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  Speaker 1: is one of the last undefeated teams in the country.
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  Speaker 1: As I keep harping on, is he going to be
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  Speaker 1: in New York?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the phrasing of the question, OC, because
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  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. Like, if we were to rank the
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  Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks of the Big 12, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: where Devin Dampier would be in that conversation, which is
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  Speaker 3: really interesting because I'm not saying he's not one of
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  Speaker 3: the five best quarterbacks of the Big 12, but he
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  Speaker 3: might not be. But he is that important to his team. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: this game, he was absolutely tremendous. And he out-dueled the
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  Speaker 3: Bachmeier in so many different ways. And so, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think finally, to your point, OC, people have woken up.
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  Speaker 3: They look up. They see Utah still undefeated. They see
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  Speaker 3: Utah's beaten Houston and has beaten BYU and has some
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  Speaker 3: really nice wins. And suddenly they're like, well, who's their quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: And they're looking at the numbers. And, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: got to be in the conversation. I mean, the Big
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  Speaker 3: 12 did not have anybody even close to this conversation
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. So it's good at least
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  Speaker 3: to see Depp here getting recognized that way.
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  Speaker 4: And, yeah, I mean, look, if Utah keeps winning here,
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  Speaker 4: then there's no reason to think that he.
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  Speaker 3: Shouldn't at least be invited to New York. And at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, like, this thing is wide
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  Speaker 3: freaking open. There's a ton of injuries. There's certainly guys
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  Speaker 3: that were favorites at one point that haven't played as well. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I really believe that as much as Dan
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  Speaker 3: Pierre has sort of come from out of nowhere to
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  Speaker 3: have those odds and be rising and shooting up those ranks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it really is still anybody's, anybody's award to win.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of shocking as we head into, you know,
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  Speaker 3: week 11 of the college football season, usually it's a
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  Speaker 3: lot more obvious than it is right now, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we could stay in the moment and I
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  Speaker 1: wish we could talk about the games of the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: but a pretty massive announcement also came down that ESPN
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  Speaker 1: and the college football playoff committee have finalized the agreement
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  Speaker 1: to expand to 24. ESPN will carry all the games and,
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  Speaker 1: This deal runs through 2031 and we're talking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: almost $ 2 billion. This is the new era of college
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  Speaker 1: football made official with 19 at large bids for power
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  Speaker 1: for conference champions. And then the highest ranked group of
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  Speaker 1: six team and the revenue distribution, 30% to the big 10,
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  Speaker 1: 30% to the sec, 15% to the ACC and to
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  Speaker 1: the big 12 and 9% I guess is the, is
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  Speaker 1: the split that the group of six teams are going
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  Speaker 1: to get out of this thing. So more of the same,
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  Speaker 1: even though there's more access numbers wise. And of course
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  Speaker 1: the conference championship games are going away. What are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this being made official and expanded college football
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  Speaker 1: playoff and it taking away conference championship games?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think it's really interesting from the
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  Speaker 3: big 12 perspective, because we know that your Mark was
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  Speaker 3: pushing back on this and, because he didn't want the
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  Speaker 3: automatic control for ESPN. He wanted there to be other
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  Speaker 3: outlets in part of this. this is kind of the
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  Speaker 3: last fight before i think he probably put up his
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  Speaker 3: hands in the air and decided to leave the big
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  Speaker 3: twelve and move on and probably voted you know affirmatively
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  Speaker 3: because of it at night my guess is he would
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  Speaker 3: last hold out he saw that giving yes p and
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  Speaker 3: the exclusive rights you know over the next five years
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  Speaker 3: and and that's basically six years was probably not the
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  Speaker 3: best deal that's move but uh... he probably was powerless
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  Speaker 3: to stop it quite frankly at this point in time
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  Speaker 3: and again As he now walks away, the new commissioner
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  Speaker 3: of the Big 12 has his hands full in terms of, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: what do you do now from a revenue standpoint in
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  Speaker 3: order to try to make up for the loss of
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12 championship game? Look, everybody's in the same
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  Speaker 3: boat in terms of the loss of that revenue. The
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  Speaker 3: only difference is it makes such a huge, significant difference
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  Speaker 3: for the Big 12 that because it's such a critical
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  Speaker 3: piece to the entire television puzzle.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, you've got to get creative.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to do things that the SEC and the
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  Speaker 3: Big Ten won't do. I believe I'm a proponent of
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  Speaker 3: maybe leaving your last few weeks open and maybe pitting
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  Speaker 3: number one versus number four and number two versus number
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  Speaker 3: three in the final two weeks of the regular season
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  Speaker 3: to kind of set up more of a de facto
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 championship game in the final weeks of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I think it does a really good job of trying
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  Speaker 3: to beef up resumes for teams in the discussion at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year, as opposed to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the randomness of having random, you know, opponents at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the season that may not beef up the resume.
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  Speaker 3: So bottom line, the Big 12's new commissioner is going
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  Speaker 3: to have his hands full of trying to figure out
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  Speaker 3: how do you make up that revenue? How do you
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  Speaker 3: make up that tentpole event? Because it's far more significant
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  Speaker 3: for the Big 12 than the losses for the SEC
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  Speaker 3: and the Big 10. You know, look, I think... This
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  Speaker 3: means ultimately more for the SEC and the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 4: It means potentially more for.
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  Speaker 3: The ACC and the Big 12. It does not mean
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  Speaker 3: more for the group of six. So I think we're
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  Speaker 3: looking at three, four loss Big.
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  Speaker 4: Ten and SEC teams getting in in the future.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're potentially looking at two, three loss Big
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  Speaker 3: 12 teams and ACC teams getting in. And again, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it translates to more bids for the group
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  Speaker 3: of six. I think there are some major positives of
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  Speaker 3: this in terms of home playoff games, but ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 3: college football OC used to be the most unique playoff
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  Speaker 3: that existed in American pro sports and American sports. And
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  Speaker 3: now it's just like everybody else, right? I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: can lose twice, three times, even four games. In the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: we joke about how many must-win games there are over
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  Speaker 3: the course of the season. It's not a must-win until
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  Speaker 3: you absolutely must mathematically win, and there really are very
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  Speaker 3: few of those until you get to the end of
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  Speaker 3: the year. College football will be the exact same. They
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  Speaker 3: used to all be must-wins. That's been reduced a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more so now and will be reduced even further
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  Speaker 3: for that. So I think there's positives and negatives to it,
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  Speaker 3: but I am excited about these home playoff games. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're going to be some really dynamite playoff games,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Before I let you go, what kind of person should
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  Speaker 1: the Big 12 be looking for to replace Brett Yormark?
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  Speaker 1: We've seen conferences go with like, you know, private capital
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  Speaker 1: type people. The Pac-12 went with a concert entertainment guy
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  Speaker 1: in George Klyavkov. That didn't really work out that well.
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  Speaker 1: What sort of person fits the right mold for the
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  Speaker 1: Big 12 moving forward?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think somebody that looks a lot like Brett Yormark.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody that has similar characteristics to Yormark, not necessarily in
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  Speaker 3: a literal lookalike sense, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you need an ideas guy. I think
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  Speaker 3: you need a guy that comes in with understandable skills
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  Speaker 3: from a marketing and a commercial perspective. I like Jordan Bazant,
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  Speaker 3: who's one of the heads of Fox Sports, the executive
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  Speaker 3: vice president for Fox. He's a guy that worked in
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  Speaker 3: the agency side and ran Endeavor Sports through the Wasserman Agency.
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  Speaker 3: So I like his experience in marketing and commercials and
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  Speaker 3: the commercial side of things because I think generating revenue
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: is a huge part of what they have to do
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and coming up with creative ideas to do it. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: think you need kind of an outsider, but not somebody
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: that's totally an outsider. I understand the allure of Tom
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Pernelli and the current American Athletic Conference commissioner. I just
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: like somebody who's a little bit more outside of college athletics. So, yeah,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you just need somebody that's similar
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: to your mark, but maybe has a little bit more
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: college experience coming in.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Does Utah beat Arizona Ari?
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Arizona seems to lose in these spots. You know, I mean, they're,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: they're a really good team and kind of a second
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: tier team. in terms of the Big 12 right now,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: really good. I think you can easily take away their
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: run game, which makes them one-dimensional. And when they play
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: the toughest teams in their schedule, that's what they've done.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: They've had their running game taken away, made Fafita have
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: to beat them, and Fafita can not be perfect. And
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: then on the other side, I think especially with the
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: injuries at the back end of their defense, Utah's passing
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: offense can take advantage. I like Utah to win this
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: game for sure.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Ari, appreciate your time as always. Thank you, my friend.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: You're the best, OC. Take care. Have a great week, brother.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Ari Temkin. Big 12 Radio on TuneIn.