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Jaguars Reporters: Monday, March 7 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Is it more important to be able to rush a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback or find a guy who's going to be every
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  Speaker 1: guy defensively, or is it more important to protect Trevor Lawrence?
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  Speaker 1: And I think protecting Trevor Lawrence should be their number
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  Speaker 1: one vote. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented by t I
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  Speaker 1: A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Osher, Ashlyn Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: and J P. Shadrack. Jaguars Reporters presented by t I
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  Speaker 1: A A Bank starts right now. Welcome into the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Reporters podcast. It's Monday, March seven. J P. Shadrick along
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  Speaker 1: with Ashman Sullivan, John Osher and Brian Sexton recapping the
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  Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: right to the biggest Jaguars story of the week. No
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  Speaker 1: executive vice president. Jaguar's owner Shot Con made a statement
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week said he's pausing consideration of introducing
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  Speaker 1: an executive vice president. And in three weeks, Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 1: has instilled a structured and disciplined approach and well, it's
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  Speaker 1: making a difference culture and mindset. That's a lot coming
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  Speaker 1: from the Jaguars owner Doug Peterson asked about it at
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  Speaker 1: the podium, and indeed, I think it speaks volumes what
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  Speaker 1: what what our owner has said. And he's really given
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  Speaker 1: the confidence to Trent and I to really build this thing.
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  Speaker 1: And and um, you know, not to say we can't
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  Speaker 1: continue to add value in the personnel department, which we could.
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  Speaker 1: We could still do that, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: it just shows the confidence that he has and and
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  Speaker 1: really just me being me, you know, from day one,
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  Speaker 1: and and showing showing people there who who I really am.
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  Speaker 1: Johnny were standing right there when Doug Peterson was talking.
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  Speaker 1: Would you think I was actually talking to Schlynn, But
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  Speaker 1: I was there, and we talked to Doug Peterson. We
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  Speaker 1: were talking to Trent Paukie at the time. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I Uh, I'll be honest. I liked the idea of
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  Speaker 1: the vp UM because I like the idea of their
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  Speaker 1: being a overarching eyes and ears to be able to
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  Speaker 1: keep to be able to communicate with Shot and sort
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  Speaker 1: of oversee everything. I didn't think that person necessarily had
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  Speaker 1: to have you know, full roster control where he was
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  Speaker 1: banging the table and and you know, controlling everything. But
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  Speaker 1: I thought that had uh, I thought that would have
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  Speaker 1: been a good way to go that said, there's no
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  Speaker 1: reason this can't work. Uh. Trent ball Ky is a
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  Speaker 1: very capable GM, and it sounds like Shot is sticking
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  Speaker 1: with his idea of being a coach centric organization. So
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson's gonna have a lot to say there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason this can't work. I was just a little surprised
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  Speaker 1: they went away from the VP model, do you think, Brian, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see why they need to make it more
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  Speaker 1: complex than it already is. Uh, you know, bringing in
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  Speaker 1: a new coach and a new staff in year two
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  Speaker 1: of of Trevor Lawrences. Um time here, and so I
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the idea of taking a look at
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  Speaker 1: it and see how it mixes now and see who
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  Speaker 1: you need in there. Right, you take Peterson and Bulky
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  Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out how to work together.
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  Speaker 1: Now you add an e v P, whether that's a
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  Speaker 1: Rick Smith or a Rick Spielman, and now you've got
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  Speaker 1: three different personalities all trying to figure out who, what, where,
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  Speaker 1: why when and how. Um. I like simple, and I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a simple way figure out who Peterson is,
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  Speaker 1: who Bulky is, how they work together, and then figure
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  Speaker 1: out what you need as opposed to try to create.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember when Wayne Weaver dismissed Tom Coughlin and
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  Speaker 1: they went to a new model, and they had Paul
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  Speaker 1: Vance who was the attorney, and James Harris who was
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  Speaker 1: the GM, and Jack and they all kind of came together.
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  Speaker 1: Just it was a really difficult um operating environment here
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  Speaker 1: and we were all trying to figure it out, and
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  Speaker 1: they were too. I think keeping it simple for the
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  Speaker 1: time being is probably a wise way to go. I think,
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  Speaker 1: just to summarize, it seems that shot Khan just changed
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  Speaker 1: his mind. And that's okay. If there was a candidate
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  Speaker 1: that absolutely blew you away and was a perfect fit,
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  Speaker 1: all right, hire him. But I think the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: you could have done is stick with what you said
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  Speaker 1: and have the e v P. A candidate that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily work. Too many cooks in the kitchen does more
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  Speaker 1: harm than good. It's all right to change your mind.
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  Speaker 1: Say pause, let's see how us works for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of months, we change our mind. Well, you can always
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  Speaker 1: go back and do the end. Trent Balky stepped into
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  Speaker 1: Radio Row and joined Ashlan, You and John and here's
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  Speaker 1: what he was asked about. No E v P Coach
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  Speaker 1: and I have talked multiple times. You know it certainly
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  Speaker 1: appreciated the confidence he's showing in us. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I said at the press conference, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: all on the same page when it comes to making
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  Speaker 1: this organization better. And what's it gonna take to make
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  Speaker 1: it better And at what level do we need to
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  Speaker 1: add some people, because we do need to add some people.
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  Speaker 1: We need to we need to get more depth on
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  Speaker 1: the person on the personnel side. And is that going
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  Speaker 1: to come in the form of an assistant general manager
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  Speaker 1: of vice president player personnel. That all remains to be seen,
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  Speaker 1: but we will be adding some pieces to the puzzle
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  Speaker 1: as we move forward. Of course, that's what Ball he
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  Speaker 1: answered with the YouTube on radio road, not what he
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  Speaker 1: was asked. That's what he answered. Um, so there it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be the format moving ahead of Ashland
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  Speaker 1: Coach GM building this thing and franchise tag deadlines coming
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  Speaker 1: up tomorrow and then free agencies next week and here
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  Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, there's a lot going on right now
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of important events coming up. So
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  Speaker 1: I agree with the decision. Let's see how it works
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  Speaker 1: for the time being. These two guys are trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, like Brian said, how they're working right now
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  Speaker 1: together let it be for a little bit. Well on
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  Speaker 1: the timeline side of it too, you mentioned free agency
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  Speaker 1: starting next week, so you hire an e VP who's
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  Speaker 1: in charge of all football. But he really wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: a say and what they were doing, or he would
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  Speaker 1: have a say and change right, Which is why hitting
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  Speaker 1: pause on this thing and letting it breathe a little
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  Speaker 1: bit makes sense. Let's move along now to the franchise
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  Speaker 1: tag deadline. Tomorrow four pm is the actual deadline for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of Jaguars names have been thrown around this
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  Speaker 1: over the last few weeks. Cam Robinson most notably at
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  Speaker 1: left tackle, d J Chark at wide receiver. What's your
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  Speaker 1: feeling this, John Well, I don't feel like it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be Shark. It just seems like the tea leaves
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  Speaker 1: are saying with him, scribing the social media, and there's
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  Speaker 1: reports out there this weekend that the Raiders like him,
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  Speaker 1: the Colts like him. You're not hearing a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of Jaguars talk. Now, that could be maybe we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking to anybody. So that's not to give him. That's
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  Speaker 1: how it feels. I think the fascinating thing. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: still wonder if they won't either franchise or resigned Cam
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  Speaker 1: Robinson and go forward with Edge Rusher number one. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any information on that. The two schools
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  Speaker 1: of thought both makes sense to me. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna keep Cam, but I won't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: they do. As we sit here and discussed this right now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe we've seen a single franchise tag applied
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  Speaker 1: yet around the league. No one has, but there's been one.
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  Speaker 1: The Chiefs are tagging Orlando Brown the tackle okay um,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw it this morning, so but you you
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  Speaker 1: get the point. His teams aren't using these franchise tags
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  Speaker 1: like they have in years past. If they want to
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  Speaker 1: resign Cam, I'd resigned Cam. I try to find it
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  Speaker 1: a way to make it work rather than put the
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  Speaker 1: tag on him and have him make almost seventeen million dollars. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it right because you've got offensive tackles
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  Speaker 1: at the top of the first round, and there are
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  Speaker 1: some guys that people like at the top of the
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  Speaker 1: second round. So if you wanted to go pass Rusher
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  Speaker 1: and then offensive tackle. You could do that. It makes
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  Speaker 1: sense to me to get younger and less expensive as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to stick with Cam who you know what he is,
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  Speaker 1: But it's my own person believe he's at he's at
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  Speaker 1: where he's at, that that's the kind of player is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the rest of his career. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's worth elite money. You know. The argument that
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  Speaker 1: I see for keeping Cam was Trent Balky and Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson both talks so much last week about we've got
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  Speaker 1: to keep our own. I don't get the idea that
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  Speaker 1: they're keeping DJ Chark and I could be wrong on that,
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  Speaker 1: but at some point there's not a surplus. You know this,
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  Speaker 1: bright or not, there's not a surplus of good players
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  Speaker 1: on this roster right now. If they need more, I've
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  Speaker 1: noticed that. So the the the theory if you, if
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  Speaker 1: you're playing football mad scientist, is to keep a good
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  Speaker 1: player in Cama Robinson and add another good player in
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  Speaker 1: the draft, rather than letting Cam Robinson go and bringing
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  Speaker 1: good player in. That's two good players compared to one.
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  Speaker 1: Two is more. You understand that you also have three
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  Speaker 1: offensive tackles on this roster that you can play with
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  Speaker 1: which not every team does. And that's it's what gives
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  Speaker 1: you the flexibility to do that. Keep good players. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: don't overpay good players. And I may be the only
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  Speaker 1: person that thinks this, but I think if you pay
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  Speaker 1: him elite money, you're overpaying. And in free agency, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna overpay when you go out and grab one. But
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna go and sign a Terran Armstead from
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  Speaker 1: New Orleans. You're gonna draft one Evan Neil or a
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  Speaker 1: quantu from North Carolina State. So that's just on my
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  Speaker 1: own personal belief or maybe maybe most people agree they're
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  Speaker 1: going to go the way you're talking about, but but
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  Speaker 1: it just depends on what they honestly think. But you
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  Speaker 1: could get a good pass rusher at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the first round and a good offensive tackle at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the second, or depending on what you wanted
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  Speaker 1: a pass rusher, you could get an elite tackle at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the first round and a good pass
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  Speaker 1: rush you at the top of the second. Right, it
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  Speaker 1: just depends on what you want, And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they want. You still need some receivers, yes you do.
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  Speaker 1: And and DJ Chark It's it's hard because he's such
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  Speaker 1: a good a good person in this building. But to
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  Speaker 1: franchise tag DJ Chark makes absolutely zero since nineteen million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the type of receiver he is right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I get the last thing you want is to
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  Speaker 1: let him leave the building and him become a superstar
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  Speaker 1: because it is a risk. They just they haven't seen it,
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  Speaker 1: and so much what have you done for me lately?
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  Speaker 1: And they haven't seen it or come to deal with them.
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  Speaker 1: I just about to say, what if you if you
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  Speaker 1: want to keep both of those good players, you could
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  Speaker 1: get them both to numbers that makes sense, that fit
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  Speaker 1: their value. You know what, numbers that makes sense. That's
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  Speaker 1: the problem gets free, then the numbers go up. Let
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  Speaker 1: me say it again, I totally believe that they should
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  Speaker 1: spend every penny to the cap the next three years
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  Speaker 1: before they have to pay the quarterback. Frontload the deals.
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  Speaker 1: Get your own guys done. Spend the money the next
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  Speaker 1: three years. I don't care about a penny being rolled over.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure that you do deals that fit the next
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  Speaker 1: three years, because when you have to pay the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: but then you become a lot like these teams like
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  Speaker 1: the Saints and the and the Packers that have these
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  Speaker 1: elite quarterbacks that take up account. So the consensus here
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  Speaker 1: is that the Jaguars will not apply the tag. I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel you. I don't think so. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they will, and I do worry that in two years
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  Speaker 1: DJ Chark, I believe he's going to have a better
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  Speaker 1: year five through year eight with career than year one, three,
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  Speaker 1: year four. I don't believe he will necessarily play to
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  Speaker 1: the value of the contract advantage of science and he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get big money because that's what happens in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be an absolute superstar,
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  Speaker 1: but he's a risky guy to let go because, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he could reel off two or three thousand yard seasons.
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  Speaker 1: He's very capable of that. And uh, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily think that if I was in Trent Balky shoes
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  Speaker 1: that I would do sixteen million dollar a deal for
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  Speaker 1: this guy. So it's it's tricky. Can you see d
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  Speaker 1: d J chark side. That means we see on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: that all these teams are interested. He should want to
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  Speaker 1: go get big money. There's nothing wrong with that, and
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  Speaker 1: to come to a deal and Liddle Ground of twelve
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  Speaker 1: thirty million. He doesn't want that, and I don't blame him.
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  Speaker 1: Go see what you can get. It's it's just hard.
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  Speaker 1: You see both sides of it. The flip side to
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  Speaker 1: not letting good players go JP is that you can't
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  Speaker 1: keep everybody. Yeah, true, excellent point. Brian back in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: options at the number one overall pick, Charles Davis and
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Clark way in after this Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Reporters podcast, JP, Shadrick, Ashlan Sullivan, John Osier, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Sexton recapping the NFL scouting Combine and now looking ahead
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  Speaker 1: a little bit to the two NFL Draft. The Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: have the number one overall pick. You might have heard
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  Speaker 1: about that. John Osier's phone is ringing. He's he's getting
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  Speaker 1: some information as we speak here on this podcast, like
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  Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, No, no, you're not okay. So hey, let's
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  Speaker 1: hear from a couple of analysts. You guys caught up
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  Speaker 1: with Charles Davis at the combine this week, I caught
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  Speaker 1: up with Ryan Clark of ESPN. Let's start with Clark
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  Speaker 1: on what, at least his sense is of how you
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  Speaker 1: should build a team with the number one overall pick.
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  Speaker 1: What is the most important aspect. Obviously, quarterback is the
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  Speaker 1: biggest position in football. Correct and other two positions that
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  Speaker 1: are important. Because quarterback is the most important position, are
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  Speaker 1: be able to rush him and be able to protect him. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Neil is a guy in this draft that people have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, highly tilted, people have scouted extremely high um
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  Speaker 1: and you wanted to be able to protect your backside
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  Speaker 1: of your quarterback. I think you have the past rushers
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  Speaker 1: or at least the makeup to where you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to go out and get a guy like Aidan Hutchinson.
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  Speaker 1: Do I think he's a great player? I do? You
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  Speaker 1: know when you look at the Joey Bosa's and the
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  Speaker 1: Nick Bosa's, both guys from the Big Ten as well,
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  Speaker 1: you said, Okay, I feel like that type of effort,
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  Speaker 1: that type of skill can give me that production. But
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  Speaker 1: what's more important. Is it more important to be able
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  Speaker 1: to rush the quarterback or find a guy who's going
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  Speaker 1: to be an every guy defensively, or is it more
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  Speaker 1: important to protect Trevor Lawrence? And I think protecting Trevor
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence should be their number one goal. So that's Ryan Clark,
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  Speaker 1: a long time Steeler safety came out of l s
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  Speaker 1: U in the early two thousand's co hosts The Pivot
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  Speaker 1: with Fred Taylor right now on another podcast network. That's
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  Speaker 1: one advantage point, Ashlyn. You know, protect the quarterback, go
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  Speaker 1: get the quarterback, depending on what's the best option for
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  Speaker 1: your team at that time. Yeah, And truthfully, coming out
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  Speaker 1: of the combine, everyone talks about Evan Neil. I get
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  Speaker 1: eight Hudson is a great athlete. If I had to
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  Speaker 1: pick right now, that's the direction they go is drafting
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  Speaker 1: Evan Neil. That's just it just seems that way. And
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  Speaker 1: you had such a priority of protecting Trevor Lawrence, giving
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence weapons, Evan Neil at one get a receiver
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  Speaker 1: in the second round call today, that's just what seems
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  Speaker 1: to happen. Now. It definitely won't go that way because
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  Speaker 1: it never does, or could they be doing the Ikey shuffle.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Carolina State is impressive. I think as you
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  Speaker 1: get closer to the draft. First of all, I get
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  Speaker 1: a vibe the it's so hard because even if they
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  Speaker 1: don't franchise Cam, you've got Walker a little there so
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  Speaker 1: they don't have to take a left in the draft. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not going to give us that hint. So
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about this for the next six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: But you do get the idea that we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about offensive tackle as the draft approaches. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: there are three. I don't think the book is closed
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  Speaker 1: at Evan Nel is automatically going to be the guy
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  Speaker 1: and ike am So I'm just gonna call him Mickey.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't call him Ikey. That's not his name,
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  Speaker 1: that's his nickname. It is his nickname. So I can
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  Speaker 1: call him Aicky. And and he walks in this door,
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  Speaker 1: I will call him Mickey. Don it? Okay, fair enough,
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  Speaker 1: You'll be looking up at him. Why do you do it?
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  Speaker 1: But yes, that's how it works. Woods. Actually the nickname
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  Speaker 1: came from Mickey would true story. At the NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 1: I stood next to Ikey Woods from most of the game.
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  Speaker 1: No he did. She probably doesn't saw that the guy
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  Speaker 1: co commercial the other day. Cold yeahs. For those of
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  Speaker 1: us who did actually witness the Icky shuffle in all
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  Speaker 1: of its glory, it's kind of nice to see it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Come back around my thought. I think I've
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  Speaker 1: been clear about it. I believe in the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: and you're wanting to get that dominant player. I've fallen
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  Speaker 1: in love watching Evan Neil destroy people that laterally in
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  Speaker 1: front of him, just dominating, and I love the thought
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  Speaker 1: of that being the Jaguars offensive line. Um, I a
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  Speaker 1: quantity like him a lot too. I mean, guy was
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  Speaker 1: what Harvard Gale m I t and chose North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: State because he could get a scholarship there. Ivy League
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  Speaker 1: schools don't have him. Give me either one of those guys,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm happy. Although Aidan Hutchinson, if he's the elite,
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  Speaker 1: give me the guy with the best grade. Give me
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  Speaker 1: the best player, and I'll figure out how to make
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  Speaker 1: things work. When you're number one, you have to get
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  Speaker 1: the best player. Let's hear from Charles Davis of CBS
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  Speaker 1: Sports and NFL Network. He was at the combine this week,
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  Speaker 1: sat down at Radio Row with Jaguars dot Com discussing
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  Speaker 1: the tackles. It certainly seems like there's a heck of
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: a consensus on it, right, But I keep hearing Evan
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  Speaker 1: Neil's name from keep hearing that a lot, right. It
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  Speaker 1: will be interesting because not only is he in the mix,
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  Speaker 1: what about a Nikki Ikwana out of out of out
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  Speaker 1: of North Carolina State. That's another guy that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be in this mix here as they turned and evaluated
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  Speaker 1: when you get you know, uh, you know, as you
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  Speaker 1: go through the whole process and what Doug Peterson's gonna
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  Speaker 1: want for his offense. Charles Cross from Mississippi State is
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  Speaker 1: another big offensive tackle. We're locked in on those guys
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: because Trevor Lawrence must be taken care of. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not a year where to me, you're looking at that
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  Speaker 1: offensive line as Cincinnati did last year and said we've
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  Speaker 1: got someone on a roster by name of Jonah Williams
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  Speaker 1: has been hurt. People don't talk about it, but we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna take Jamar Chase instead because we think Jonah Williams
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  Speaker 1: will hold up. This feels a lot more like Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 1: almost certainly headed towards big. People sounded very agreeable that
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: we see Charles da as well. And you know what,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: j Charles Davis is wrong. I don't want to be right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Let's speaking of let's hear more from Charles Davis. The
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  Speaker 1: next question was, hey, but what about Aidan Hutchinson or
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  Speaker 1: a defensive end. Yeah, the chances are strong for him
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  Speaker 1: because you're adding maybe the best you know for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, maybe the best edge rusher in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with Bucky. The Georgia game doesn't scare me because
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: everyone has certain ones. And look where was all the
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: protection kicked in that ball game. I know David Najabo
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  Speaker 1: was in there, but he didn't scare them as much
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  Speaker 1: as Aidan Hutchinson did. So they wanted to spend their
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: time plus balls out of the hands of the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: quickly they were able to run it well that night.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of things went into that. When I watch
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  Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson play and we start comping things, I'm very
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: careful about not just trying to stereotype this player. He's
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a high motor, try hard. Look, this kid's technical aspects
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  Speaker 1: with hands reminds me of the boast of Brothers in
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: a big way, because that's where they win. There are
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  Speaker 1: such technicians when everything they do and no, no, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, they're tremendous athletes. People for get that because
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: we always want a stereotype. Different paths for ushers and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: is he twitchy enough. We went through that with Joey Bosa.
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  Speaker 1: I remember him coming out in the draft. People like
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he's maybe instead of a double digit,
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  Speaker 1: is he only a six D eight? He's a double
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  Speaker 1: digit right, and he's a pro bowler. Every year Nick
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Bosa came back off the knee injury, he was double
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  Speaker 1: digit sacks this year. I think Adan Hudges is the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: same type of it's Charles Davis of course on Radio
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Row this week. Um, you're both up there, John Ashland
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: most of the week. Um, it's the first time the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com has been there at the combine with
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  Speaker 1: the number one pick, so you know we didn't get
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to go last year. Leading into the draft. What was
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  Speaker 1: the general consensus when of everybody you talked to Ashland
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: media members analysts of what the Jags cutters should do.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's almost split down the middle. It's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: truly what it seems like. I think maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: more evan Nel, but they split down the middle. Hutchinson
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  Speaker 1: Neil in the arguments they make our spot on. You
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: totally could see them going down either direction, in both
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  Speaker 1: directions being good. That's why this is so interesting. If
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  Speaker 1: we went to the combine last year, obviously Trevor would
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: have dominated the conversation. It would, it would be a storyline,
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  Speaker 1: but we wouldn't have really paid attention to any other options,
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  Speaker 1: whereas this is, we keep hearing all these names and
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  Speaker 1: both are great options. It felt to me like the
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know, first of all, the national guys don't think
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  Speaker 1: about it quite as much as we do, so there
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  Speaker 1: tends to be a little bit of league think on it.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the mock drafts seem to be saying Neil
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  Speaker 1: because there's sort of the idea what they got to
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  Speaker 1: protect Trevor Lawrence, and I don't know how much they're
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: actually talking to our people. And if our people are
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  Speaker 1: thinking Cam Robinson's fine, we're gonna roll with Cam and
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  Speaker 1: Walker Little and we need other areas to address uh,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: then I think that could be off a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I got the vibe that most people think it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be offensive tackle, most people think it's gonna be Neil. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But that's just sort of a follow the leader thing
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  Speaker 1: right now. In the mock draft tracker I'm doing for
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  Speaker 1: this week, it's very split between my guy Ikey and
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  Speaker 1: uh Evan Neil and Charles Cross gets in there a
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  Speaker 1: little bit too. So I think as you go forward
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  Speaker 1: in the draft, that's gonna change right now. It felt
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  Speaker 1: like Neil six h Hutchins, if you will, can give
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you the only trade scenario I think that exists. Um,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: if you get the Lions, who would, for all obvious reasons,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: be in love with Adan Hutchinson. They need a pass rusher,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they took an offensive tackle last year, he's in their backyard. Um,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: if you got them nervous about that, you might be
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: able to flip flop and take there at thirty two.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: You're at thirty three, so move up a spot. Let
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: them move up a spot. Right then you still have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: your choice of what you want an offensive tackles, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you move up into the bottom of the first round
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  Speaker 1: and get one spot closer to a player that might
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: be sliding, because you know there's gonna be someone that slides,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: whether it's Nikolby Deane that the linebacker from Georgia, people
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: have size concerns about him. You know there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: somebody that's come in your direction. So I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're able to pull a pick out of the hat
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  Speaker 1: at the top of the draft, and that might even
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that might even happen on the clock. Yeah, that's kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of truite and Yeah, it's rare for a number one
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  Speaker 1: overall pick to happen on the clock, but that might.
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  Speaker 1: And they have number thirty two because the Rams gave
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  Speaker 1: it up to them for the right to have the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Seven million picks the Rams don't have. So you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you go up one, they go up one. Maybe that
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  Speaker 1: works all right, well, Trimbak, he said, hey, we're gonna
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: shop it, but they're comfortable making the pick as well,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so we'll see. It's March seventh, right, he's got a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: track record that'll do it today for Jaguars reporters. Um
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a nice recap, everybody very much. It's nice to see
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: you guys in person again. John, Brian, nice to you too.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: That's Brian Sexton. John Osier is speechless. Week next week
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: though the agency, the negotiation period will be opening, right correct,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: We will legally start tampering like nobody's legally at that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: at this time next week. Bryan Sexton, John Ozer, Ashlan Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato, I'm j P. Shadrick Ken. This is Jaguar's reporters. Yeah,