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Dentist, Wife Killed in Mystery Death Investigation · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine a murder scene, so quiet, just so completely pristine,
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  Speaker 1: that the first police officer to arrive simply knocks on
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  Speaker 1: the front door, waits a minute, and then just walks away.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It sounds completely counterintuitive.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. I mean, there's no shattered glass on
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  Speaker 1: the porch. There are no, you know, kicked in deadbolts.
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  Speaker 2: No obvious signs of a struggle from the outside.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. There's no blood trailing down the driveway. From the sidewalk...
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  Speaker 1: If you're just looking at it, it is a perfectly
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  Speaker 1: normal house in Columbus, Ohio, just right before New Year's Eve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a quiet suburban street.
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  Speaker 1: But locked inside that silent house are two sleeping toddlers
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  Speaker 1: and a brutal double homicide.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a terrifying juxtaposition.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So welcome to the deep dive. You
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  Speaker 1: are walking into a true locked room mystery today. And
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  Speaker 1: it's a case that Well, it completely subverts every expectation
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  Speaker 1: you likely have about how violent crimes actually look.
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  Speaker 2: It really does kind of strip away that whole cinematic
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  Speaker 2: idea of a crime scene. I mean, when you consume
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  Speaker 2: enough true crime, you get conditioned to look for the chaos, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. The overt stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The struggle. The clear signs of forced entry. But
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  Speaker 2: in the first 48 hours of an investigation, it's often
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  Speaker 2: the absence of evidence that tells the story.
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  Speaker 1: Like the missing weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the missing weapon or the lack of a broken window.
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  Speaker 2: That is often a far more complex language for detectives
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  Speaker 2: to decipher. We are dealing with an environment that is
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  Speaker 2: chillingly undisturbed on the perimeter.
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  Speaker 1: But just totally catastrophic on the interior.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely.
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  Speaker 1: And so we are unpacking this today by analyzing the
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  Speaker 1: raw 911 dispatch audio, the initial police incident reports, and...
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  Speaker 1: We also had some incredibly sharp forensic breakdowns from a
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  Speaker 1: retired NYPD detective, Tom Smith.
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  Speaker 2: His insights on this are just invaluable.
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  Speaker 1: They really are. Because we're looking at the murders of
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Taperi, who was a 37-year-old dentist, and his wife, Monique,
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  Speaker 1: who were found in their home on December 30th.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't just a basic recounting of events.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. This is a real exploration of
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  Speaker 1: the procedural reality of law enforcement. Like, how does the
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  Speaker 1: police department actually process an interior crime scene? where the
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  Speaker 1: killer left no obvious weapon and, you know, seemingly locked
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  Speaker 1: the door on their way out.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And we're going to put you directly in
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  Speaker 1: the shoes of the people who experienced this timeline in
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  Speaker 1: real time. Because honestly, you need to feel how agonizingly
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  Speaker 1: slow the realization of a tragedy like this can be.
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  Speaker 2: The timeline is really the spine of this entire investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because you have this intense friction between a civilian's intuition
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  Speaker 2: that something is terribly wrong and and a police department's
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  Speaker 2: legal threshold to actually do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get right into that timeline, actually, because the
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  Speaker 1: catalyst for this entire case, it starts at 9 in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, and it doesn't even originate in Columbus.
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  Speaker 2: No, it starts way down in Florida. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It starts with a phone call from Spencer's boss, who
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  Speaker 1: is down in Florida on vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Which is such a bizarre starting point for a local
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  Speaker 2: homicide investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Completely. So this boss, he owns the dental business, but
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  Speaker 1: Spencer is the primary dentist. He's the one actually running
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  Speaker 1: the office down in Athens, Ohio. Gotcha. And you have
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  Speaker 1: to put yourself in the dispatcher's seat for a second here.
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  Speaker 1: The phone rings and the guy thousands of miles away says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my employee didn't show up for work today.
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  Speaker 1: You need to go check on him.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And usually if an employee misses an alarm, a
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  Speaker 2: boss is annoyed, right? They're frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. They aren't terrified. It's like pulling a loose thread
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  Speaker 1: on a sweater. Usually, a missed alarm is just a
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  Speaker 1: missed alarm.
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  Speaker 2: But the language the caller uses here is the critical variable.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the boss in Florida tells dispatch that Spencer is
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  Speaker 2: highly reliable. He runs the entire office. He is always
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  Speaker 2: on time.
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  Speaker 1: So he's setting a precedent.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He establishes a behavioral baseline for Spencer that makes
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  Speaker 2: a simple no-call, no-show just statistically impossible in his mind.
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  Speaker 1: His gut is screaming that this is an emergency.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows something is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But the dispatcher pushes back because, I mean, the dispatcher
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  Speaker 1: even suggested maybe he was sick or maybe he was
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  Speaker 1: in a car accident. And I think about that and
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  Speaker 1: how often does a boss's gut feeling about unprofessional behavior
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  Speaker 1: actually crack open a homicide case?
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  Speaker 2: Almost never. And you have to remember the sheer volume
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  Speaker 2: of mundane calls a dispatch center handles every single day.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: It's like being a triage nurse in an emergency room.
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  Speaker 2: They are actively trying to de-escalate the caller's panic by
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  Speaker 2: offering the most statistically probable scenarios. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because someone oversleeping or catching the flu, that happens 10,000
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  Speaker 1: times a day.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A double homicide is a massive anomaly.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And that triage process, it's deeply baked into law enforcement protocol.
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  Speaker 2: Dispatchers are heavily trained to filter out assumptions and hunt
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  Speaker 2: for verifiable facts.
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  Speaker 1: So when the boss calls from Florida, based purely on
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  Speaker 1: this feeling of unprofessional behavior.
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  Speaker 2: The dispatcher has to weigh that against the physical reality.
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  Speaker 2: There is no report of gunfire. There's no smoke billowing
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  Speaker 2: from the house. No neighbor is calling in to report
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  Speaker 2: a scream.
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  Speaker 1: It's just silence.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They are operating strictly on a behavioral anomaly. And
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  Speaker 2: in police terms, that translates to a very low priority
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  Speaker 2: wellness check.
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  Speaker 1: Which perfectly sets up the tension of what happens next.
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  Speaker 1: At 9.22 in the morning, a Columbus police officer is dispatched. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They arrive at Spencer and Monique's house. The officer walks
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  Speaker 1: up to the door, knocks, waits, gets no answer, and
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  Speaker 1: then they just leave.
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  Speaker 2: Which to the general public sounds absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 1: Totally insane. You know, there are two bodies in there
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  Speaker 1: and the cop just turns around and walks away. But
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  Speaker 1: my mind immediately goes to the legal liability here and
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  Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The Fourth Amendment is everything here.
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  Speaker 1: Because a police officer cannot just boot a door off
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  Speaker 1: its hinges just because a guy missed a dental appointment, right?
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely cannot. That legal tension is the absolute core
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  Speaker 2: of patrol work. The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable
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  Speaker 2: searches and seizures. And the sanctity of the home, that
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  Speaker 2: is the highest protected space in American law. For a
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  Speaker 2: police officer to bypass a warrant and force entry into
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  Speaker 2: a private residence, they must have what the courts call
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  Speaker 2: exigent circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Exigent circumstances. What exactly does that mean in practice?
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  Speaker 2: It means there has to be a clear, articulable and
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  Speaker 2: immediate danger to human life or, you know, the imminent
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  Speaker 2: destruction of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And silence doesn't equal exigency.
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  Speaker 2: Silence is the exact opposite of exigency. If an officer
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  Speaker 2: kicks down a door based on a missed shift at
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  Speaker 2: work and the homeowner is inside sleeping or maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: just in the shower.
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  Speaker 1: That officer has committed an illegal breach.
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  Speaker 2: A massive one. The city gets sued, the officer faces
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  Speaker 2: severe disciplinary action, and crucially, any evidence they might accidentally
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  Speaker 2: find of a different crime would be completely thrown out
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  Speaker 2: of court.
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  Speaker 1: Fruit of the poisonous tree.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The officer at 922 did exactly what the law
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  Speaker 2: required them to do. They observed, they attempted contact, and
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  Speaker 2: they retreated when no exigent threat was visible.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, but the panic back at the dental office
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  Speaker 1: is only escalating at this point. The co-workers are not
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  Speaker 1: accepting the silence.
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  Speaker 2: They know him too well to just let it go. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So by 10 o'clock in the morning, concerned friends and
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  Speaker 1: colleagues physically drive to the house to look for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a completely natural human response.
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  Speaker 1: You can just picture them walking around the property. They
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  Speaker 1: knock on the front door. They walk around to the back,
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  Speaker 1: pound on the back door. Still, there's nothing from Spencer
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  Speaker 1: or Monique.
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  Speaker 2: But they hear something else.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. They hear the couple's toddlers inside the home. One
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  Speaker 1: of the friends gets back on the phone with dispatch
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  Speaker 1: and says, I swear, I think I heard one yell,
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  Speaker 1: but we can't get in.
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  Speaker 2: And right there, the entire legal and procedural calculus flips
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  Speaker 2: the second those words are spoken to dispatch.
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  Speaker 1: Because now it's about the kids. The calculus shifts from
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  Speaker 1: protecting the property rights of the adults to the immediate
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  Speaker 1: duty to rescue these vulnerable dependents.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The presence of young, crying children locked inside a
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  Speaker 2: house with completely unresponsive parents, that provides the immediate, articulable
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  Speaker 2: danger required for exigent circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Because a toddler can't take care of themselves. Right.
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  Speaker 2: If the parents are suffering a medical emergency inside, those
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  Speaker 2: children are in imminent peril. So the police now have
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  Speaker 2: the legal authority and, honestly, the moral mandate to force entry.
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  Speaker 1: So the friends are outside. They're panicked, debating if they
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  Speaker 1: should smash a window themselves. A co-worker is calling dispatch again,
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  Speaker 1: emphasizing that it's been three hours of total silence from
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  Speaker 1: a guy who runs a medical practice.
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  Speaker 2: The tension is just unbearable at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And then just a few minutes later, the dam breaks.
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  Speaker 1: The discovery call comes in. And I have to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: the audio is sickening.
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  Speaker 2: I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 1: The caller is just frantic. The dispatcher is trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what changed. And the friend just keeps repeating,
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  Speaker 1: there's a body. He appears dead. There's blood.
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  Speaker 2: God.
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  Speaker 1: And you can hear the small children crying in the background.
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  Speaker 1: It is a total sensory nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: At that moment, the dispatcher immediately shifts gears. They go
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  Speaker 2: from triage to scene containment. And you hear them ask
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  Speaker 2: a very specific, almost jarring question.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They ask, does he look like a drug user?
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  Speaker 1: Which feels so out of place.
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  Speaker 2: And the friend is adamant.
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  Speaker 1: Saying no, no, absolutely not. But why go straight to
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  Speaker 1: drug use when the caller just reported seeing a bloody body?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that feels like a bizarre leap.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel bizarre. But statistically, a sudden unexpected death
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  Speaker 2: of a 37-year-old in their own home is frequently a
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  Speaker 2: tragic accidental overdose.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Dispatchers are basically trying to figure out if medics need
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  Speaker 2: to prepare Narcan or if the police need to secure
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  Speaker 2: a homicide scene. By asking that question, they are trying
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  Speaker 2: to rule out the most common statistical probability.
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  Speaker 1: But once the caller describes the specific positioning of the
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  Speaker 1: body and, you know, the sheer volume.
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  Speaker 2: Of blood, The medical emergency aspect evaporates.
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  Speaker 1: It is instantly a crime scene preservation scenario.
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  Speaker 2: The dread just mounts incrementally.
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  Speaker 1: You have a bad feeling at 9 a.m., a silent
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  Speaker 1: door at 9.22, crying toddlers at 10, and then the
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  Speaker 1: absolute physical shock of a violent crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: It's a devastating escalation.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the stark, jarring contrast of this
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  Speaker 1: specific crime. Because you really cannot process how disturbing this
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  Speaker 1: scene is without understanding who Spencer and Monique were and
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  Speaker 1: the life they had built in that house.
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  Speaker 2: The victimology is absolutely essential here.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: We are not looking at individuals involved in high-risk behaviors
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  Speaker 2: or criminal enterprises, and that dramatically alters how detectives have
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  Speaker 2: to approach the motive.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So let's look at who they were. Spencer, he
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  Speaker 1: graduated from Ohio State back in 2017 with his Doctor
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  Speaker 1: of Dental Surgery degree.
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  Speaker 2: So he's highly educated, driven... Extremely.
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  Speaker 1: He was successful. He was passionate about his career. He
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  Speaker 1: loved playing golf, traveling, but above all, he really loved
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  Speaker 1: his family.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had just been married, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, on January 30th, 2021. Wow. And they had two
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  Speaker 1: beautiful toddler-age children. There was actually this wedding video floating
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  Speaker 1: around online of them standing on the steps of a home,
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  Speaker 1: surrounded by friends, and they just look incredibly vibrant and happy.
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  Speaker 2: It just breaks your heart.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. And when the news broke, The community
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  Speaker 1: reaction was just immediate and devastating. Family members posted on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook calling them the best of the best.
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  Speaker 2: That phrase alone tells you so much about their character. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the Athens Dental Depot where he worked, they posted
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  Speaker 1: a deeply emotional message about how heavily relied upon Spencer was.
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  Speaker 1: Not just by his staff, but by the hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: patients he cared for.
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  Speaker 2: They were clearly deeply anchored in their community. And from
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  Speaker 2: an investigative standpoint, when you have victims who are universally beloved,
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  Speaker 2: it creates a massive vacuum for investigators.
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  Speaker 1: How so? Because there's no obvious enemy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about it. In a gang-related shooting or a
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  Speaker 2: drug dispute, the suspect pool is often defined by the
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  Speaker 2: victim's known adversaries.
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  Speaker 1: It's a short list.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But here, detectives have to search for friction in
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  Speaker 2: a life that appeared remarkably frictionless.
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  Speaker 1: And that leads directly to the spatial reality of the
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  Speaker 1: crime itself. which is what makes this so terrifying to
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  Speaker 1: think about.
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  Speaker 2: The location within the house.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Spencer was found dead in the master bedroom. Monique
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  Speaker 1: was also found deceased in the home, clearly from a
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  Speaker 1: gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And the bedroom, I mean, that is supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: your ultimate sanctuary.
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  Speaker 2: It is the most private, vulnerable space in a person's life.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that the violence happened deep inside the house,
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  Speaker 1: with absolutely no signs of forced entry at the perimeter,
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  Speaker 1: it feeds this collective nightmare that the killer was Invited in.
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  Speaker 1: Like the classic, the call is coming from inside the
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  Speaker 1: house trope.
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  Speaker 2: And that is a huge trap. The public, and honestly
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  Speaker 2: even inexperienced patrol officers, frequently fall victim to that no
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  Speaker 2: forced entry cognitive trap. Really? Oh yeah. The immediate assumption
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  Speaker 2: is always that Spencer or Monique must have heard a knock,
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  Speaker 2: looked through the peephole, recognized the person standing there, and
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  Speaker 2: just unlocked the.
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  Speaker 1: Door for them. But if someone didn't break down the door...
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  Speaker 1: Does that automatically mean the victims invited the devil in?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. And when you look at the positioning
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  Speaker 2: of the bodies, that theory falls apart completely.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because Spencer was found laying next to or partially
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  Speaker 1: off of his bed. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: If you open the front door for someone you know
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  Speaker 2: and an argument ensues that escalates to a double homicide,
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  Speaker 2: the physical evidence of that confrontation, the bodies, the shell casings,
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  Speaker 2: the blood spatter, it's all going to be at the
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  Speaker 2: front door or in the living room.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be in the bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Never. The geography of the violence tells the story of
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  Speaker 2: the approach.
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  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. Because they were in the bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: which tells me they were completely relaxed. Maybe they were
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  Speaker 1: asleep or just waking up.
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  Speaker 2: They were caught completely off guard.
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  Speaker 1: So the killer had to navigate the entryway, the hallways,
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  Speaker 1: the living spaces, all in total silence. They didn't kick
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  Speaker 1: the door because they just didn't need to.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tragic but very common oversight. People leave side
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  Speaker 2: doors unlocked. They forget to secure the garage access door.
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  Speaker 1: So the killer simply turned a knob, found it unlocked,
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  Speaker 1: and crept in like a ghost.
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  Speaker 2: In that level of stealth, it requires a massive amount
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  Speaker 2: of intent and focus. It completely eliminates the idea of
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  Speaker 2: a chaotic, impromptu argument at the threshold.
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  Speaker 1: It was planned.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this was a targeted movement deep into the victim's
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  Speaker 2: safe space.
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  Speaker 1: But when I look at the forensic details provided by
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  Speaker 1: retired Detective Tom Smith, my mind immediately goes to a
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  Speaker 1: hierarchy of intent based on the actual gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 2: The disparity in violence is key here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because Spencer was shot multiple times, but Monique had
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  Speaker 1: at least one gunshot wound to her chest. Yes. When
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  Speaker 1: I see one victim subjected to what looks like massive
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  Speaker 1: overkill and the other victim shot only once, To me,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like Spencer was the specific mission and Monique
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  Speaker 1: was collateral damage.
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  Speaker 2: And if we take that hierarchy of intent a step further,
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  Speaker 2: it gives profilers a massive window into the killer's psychology.
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  Speaker 1: What does an aggressive takeout of the husband mean psychologically?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a single gunshot wound can be lethal, obviously, but
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  Speaker 2: multiple gunshot wounds into one specific target, that communicates rage.
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  Speaker 2: It communicates grievance or a desperate need to ensure absolute elimination.
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  Speaker 1: So... The killer expended the majority of their ammunition and
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  Speaker 1: their focus solely on the husband.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Monique may have simply woken up from the noise.
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  Speaker 2: She may have sat up in bed and the killer
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  Speaker 2: just reacted to the sudden movement.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: The disparity in the violence strongly suggests the killer walked
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  Speaker 2: into that house with Spencer's name at the absolute top.
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  Speaker 1: Of their list. So you have a highly motivated killer
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  Speaker 1: who stealthily navigates a house. executes a targeted hit, and
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  Speaker 1: manages to slip away without leaving a splintered door or
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  Speaker 1: a shattered window.
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  Speaker 2: They were very careful.
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  Speaker 1: They were. They even took the murder weapon with them.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like they left absolutely nothing behind.
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  Speaker 2: It feels that way, sure.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't commit an act of extreme violence in
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  Speaker 1: a confined space without interacting with the environment, right? I mean,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: if a killer is that close to a victim in
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: a dark room, they are breathing on things. They're stepping
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: on things. touching the walls.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Locard's exchange principle.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Every contact leaves a trace.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Which means even if they walk out with the gun,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: they leave a ghost of themselves behind in that bedroom.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: And this is where the specific advantages of an interior
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: crime scene really begin to heavily favor the forensic teams.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier how terrifying the locked room aspect is,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: but for a crime scene unit, it is the absolute
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: ideal scenario.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Because it's basically a vacuum seal.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: It is an environmentally controlled laboratory. Think about a homicide
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: that happens in a public park or an alleyway. Investigators
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: are immediately fighting a war of attrition against nature.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Rain, wind.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Rain washes away blood and touch DNA. UV light
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: degrades biological samples. Wind scatters microscopic fibers. First responders and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: paramedics trample through the mud, destroying shoe tread patterns.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's a mess. But in the teepee's master bedroom, Time
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: basically stops the moment the front door is closed.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Precisely. Once the police secure the perimeter of a house,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the degradation of evidence drops to near zero. Detectives aren't
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: racing events to thunderstorm. They can take days or even
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: weeks to slowly and methodically grid the entire house.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: They use specialized vacuums to pull microscopic fibers from the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: carpets that might match the killer's clothing. They use alternate
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: light sources to find latent footprints on hardwood floors that
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the killer tracked in from the outside.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about the missing gun for a second.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Because this is where the science gets truly fascinating to me.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It's incredible science.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: The police confirmed they do not have the murder weapon.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And to a layperson, that sounds like a death blow
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to the case. If the killer took the gun, how
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: did police even know what they were looking for? Right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It feels like trying to find a car without knowing
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the make, model, or license plate.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: But you don't actually need the gun to build a
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: profile of the gun, do you? You just need what
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the gun spits out.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: You need the brass and the lead, the byproducts of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the ammunition.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, break that down for us.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: If the killer used a semi-automatic handgun, which is highly
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: probable given the multiple shots fired in quick succession, that
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: weapon mechanically ejects a spent brass shell casing every single
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: time the trigger is pulled. Right. Those casings are forcefully
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: ejected from the side of the gun, and they bounce
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: onto the floor, they roll under the bed. Or into
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the corners of the room.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And those casings are absolute gold mines for trace evidence.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Specifically because of how the killer had to load the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: weapon in the first place, right?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, the loading process is crucial.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Because you have to physically push the bullets into a magazine.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And the mechanics of loading a magazine require significant manual
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: dexterity and pressure. A magazine has a very heavy internal spring.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Right, to push the bullets up.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So to load a round, you have to place
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the brass casing on top of the magazine, press down
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: forcefully with your thumb... and slide it backward under the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: metal feed lips. You are exerting pounds of pressure directly
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: onto the brass surface.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So you were basically taking the epidermal ridge detail of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: your thumb, your unique fingerprint, and stamping it in sweat
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and skin oils right onto the metal casing.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Unless the killer was wearing nitrile gloves while sitting in
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: their own home loading that magazine hours before the murder.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they transferred their biological identity onto the ammunition.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And even if the latent fingerprint is smudged by the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: heat of the firing process, the skin cells left behind
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: provide highly viable touch DNA.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they have the casings for DNA and prints.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But what about the slugs, the actual bullets that hit
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the victims or embedded into the drywall?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: The slugs are a completely different ballgame.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Because they tell a completely different mechanical story, right?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: They provide the ballistic barcode. When a bullet is fired,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: it travels down the barrel of the gun under immense
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: pressure and heat. And the inside of a gun barrel
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: is not smooth.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Right. It has grooves in it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It has rifling, a series of spiral grooves machined into
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the metal designed to grip the bullet and make it spin,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like a perfectly thrown football, so it flies straight.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Those are called the lands and grooves, right?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yes. And the machinery that cuts those lands and grooves
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: into the barrel leaves microscopic imperfections.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: In the metal.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It is virtually impossible to manufacture two gun barrels that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: are atomically identical.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So every gun is unique.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly. As the relatively soft lead or copper bullet forces
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: its way down the hard steel barrel, those microscopic imperfections
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: gouge unique striations into the side of the slug.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So even if the killer took the gun and threw
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it in a river, a ballistics expert can look at
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the slug pulled from the drywall under a comparison microscope
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and say, This was fired from a 9mm Glock Gen 4.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: They shrink the universe of millions of guns down to
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a specific make and model.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And if they ever recover a suspect's weapon down the road,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: they can fire a test round in the lab and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: match those microscopic striations perfectly to the slugs from the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Tempe bedroom.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So the absence of the weapon does not blind the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: investigators at all. It simply forces them to rely on
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the microscopic physical evidence left in the wake of the violence.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The science can overcome the missing weapon.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: OK, so the forensic teams are vacuuming the house and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: analyzing the ballistics to figure out the how. But the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: detectives are simultaneously trying to figure out the why.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The motive is always the hardest part in a case
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And this brings up a really peculiar detail reported by
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the Columbus Dispatch. They noted that a police dispatcher report
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: from that evening mentioned a 41A code associated with the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: DP address.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Ah, the 41A.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In Columbus, a 41A is the police code for
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a robbery report.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And the introduction of a robbery motive completely alters the
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: investigative matrix.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But I have to push back on the idea of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a simple burglary.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Go for it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Logically, a double homicide is a massive, irrational escalation for
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a guy just trying to steal a flat-screen TV.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It is a huge leap.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Right. If a burglar breaks in to steal jewelry and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they hear someone walking around upstairs, their primary instinct is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to flee. They don't want a murder charge. They want
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: quick cash.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Usually, yes.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Why would a burglar bypass the living room electronics, creep
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: all the way into the deepest part of the house,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and execute a sleeping couple? Could the robbery just be
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: staged to throw off the police?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That's a very sharp observation. And a good detective doesn't
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: just read a dispatch code and accept it as gospel.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They have to validate the theory against the physical environment.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: How do they do that?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Well, staging is a sophisticated countermeasure. When a killer has
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a pre-existing relationship with the victims, say a business partner,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: an angry relative, or a disgruntled associate, they know they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: will be on the police's radar immediately.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So they need a distraction.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So they attempt to misdirect the investigation. They shoot the victims,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and on their way out, they pull a few drawers
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: out of a dresser, dump a jewelry box on the floor,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: maybe grab a laptop or a wallet, and leave.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: They want the first responding officer to walk in and think, ah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a home invasion gone wrong.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But a staged robbery looks fundamentally different from a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: real robbery. The behavioral markers are vastly different.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Because a real burglar is on a frantic treasure hunt, right?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: A real burglar will rip a mattress off a bed
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to look for hidden cash. They will empty every single
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: drawer in a kitchen looking for prescription pills. They create chaotic,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: widespread destruction.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Whereas a stager... A.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Killer staging a robbery is in a psychological rush to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: escape the bodies. They don't want to spend 20 minutes
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: tossing a house. They do the absolute minimum amount of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: theatrical damage necessary to suggest a robbery, and then they run.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So detectives look for that discrepancy. Like, did they take
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the cheap laptop but leave the expensive watches sitting right
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: on the nightstand?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It's theatrical misdirection, exactly.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And to confirm whether anything was actually stolen, I imagine
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: detectives immediately start subpoenaing financial records?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, immediately. You monitor the credit cards. You audit the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: bank accounts.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Because if nobody tries to use Spencer's stolen credit card
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at a gas station three hours later, the robbery theory
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: gets very thin very quickly.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: The financial audit is the ultimate lie detector for a
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: robbery motive. But, you know, you can't dismiss the robbery
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: theory entirely on day one.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You have to keep all options open.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Detectives must operate in a space of multiple working hypotheses.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: If they get tunnel vision and assume it's a staged
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: hit by a co-worker, they might ignore evidence pointing to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a desperate narcotic-fueled home invasion.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Let the totality of the physical evidence, not your initial bias,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: dictate the direction.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Always.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So while the inside of the house is this static,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: vacuum-sealed environment of psychological misdirection and trace ballistics, the outside
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: world is incredibly dynamic.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: The outside world is moving.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And the outside world might have captured exactly what the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: killer wanted to hide. Because you can't walk down a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: modern suburban street without leaving a digital footprint.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It's nearly impossible these days.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It's like dropping a stone in a pond and watching
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the ripples. The police start at the house, and they
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: track every digital ripple that moves outward into the surrounding city.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: The integration of digital surveillance has absolutely revolutionized the speed
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: at which detectives can identify a suspect vehicle.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And the Tepe home had significant digital architecture around it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: The house itself had a ring doorbell camera.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Which is a great starting point.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But even if the killer was smart enough to approach
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: from the backyard or you know, wear a mask. There
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was a police crime camera mounted on a utility pole
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: just a few hundred feet away, right at the corner
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of 4th and East 8th Avenue.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And this is where investigators utilize ALPR systems, automated license
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: plate readers, and municipal camera grids.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: How do those work in this context?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Well, a utility pole camera isn't just recording blurry video.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It is often logging the plate, make, model, and color
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of every single vehicle that passes through that intersection.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So the detectives establish an estimated time of death. Let's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: say the coroner determines they died between 2 a.m. and
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: 4 a.m. based on body temperature and rigor mortis.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: The police go to that utility pole camera and pull
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the data for that specific two-hour window.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And think about it. In a residential neighborhood at
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: 3 a.m., the traffic volume is incredibly low.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a ghost town.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You aren't sorting through thousands of cars. You might only
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: have a dozen vehicles that pass that camera in that
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: time frame. They filter out the known neighborhood residents, the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: early morning delivery trucks, the municipal vehicles.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They just eliminate the noise.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: What they are looking for is the anomaly, the vehicle
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that simply does not belong in that grid at that time.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And once they spot the anomaly, say a dark-colored sedan
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that sped away from the neighborhood at 3.15 a.m., they
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: just follow the digital ripples.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: They track it camera by camera.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They pull the traffic camera data from the next major
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: intersection a mile away, then the camera outside a gas
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: station two miles away. They can literally trace the killer's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: exact escape route across the city. By syncing the timestamps
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on all these disparate camera systems.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: It creates a digital tether between the crime scene and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the suspect's destination.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It's amazing technology. It is.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But as advanced as the digital and forensic tools are,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: they are often utilized to answer the darkest psychological questions
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of a case.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most difficult part of this
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: deep dive. Yes.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: There is one detail in this case that demands a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: deep psychological analysis.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the toddlers. I am. We have discussed
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the timeline, the ballistics, the cameras, but my mind keeps
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: getting violently pulled back to the most heartbreaking reality of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: this case. The two young children were inside the house
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the entire time.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: It's incredibly heavy.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: They were physically unharmed. They were left alone, crying in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the silence until the police finally breached the door hours later.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It forces investigators to confront the specific morality of the perpetrator.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It's a chilling thought. Because the killer had absolute control
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of that environment. They had the weapon. They executed the parents.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And then they had a choice. Right. They bypassed the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: children's rooms. In a strange way, does the mercy shown
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to those toddlers actually help the police profile the killer?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Does it narrow down the suspect pool?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It dramatically narrows the pool. Because it distinguishes between organized,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: mission-oriented killers and disorganized, chaotic killers.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So a chaotic thrill killer... Wouldn't care who was in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the house.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If someone breaks into a home under the influence
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of severe narcotics or in the grip of a psychotic break,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: their violence is indiscriminate.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: They're just a tornado.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: They are lashing out at the environment itself. They will
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: attack a dog, a child, an adult, anyone who crosses
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: their path. Random acts of thrill killing rarely leave witnesses
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: behind out of a sudden pang of conscience.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: The fact that the children were systematically spared points heavily
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: away from a randomization.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Intruder. It reinforces the theory that this was a highly
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: targeted assassination. The killer walked into that house with a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: very specific grievance against Spencer, and by extension, Monique. They
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: didn't view the toddlers as part of the grievance.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: They possessed a boundary. A twisted... compartmentalized moral code that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: dictated who was a valid target and who was not.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: So they executed their mission and they immediately extracted themselves
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: from the environment without indulging in unnecessary violence.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: That's the most likely profile of the killer.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But, you know, there is a secondary, perhaps even more
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: terrifying alternative, isn't there?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: We assume the killer made a conscious choice to spare
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the kids. But what if the killer was just so
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: hyper-focused and in such a rush to escape that they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: simply didn't know the kids were even there?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That alternative scenario really emphasizes the sheer speed
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and stealth of the attack.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't linger.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It implies the killer didn't toss the house looking for valuables.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: They didn't walk down the hallway opening doors to see
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: who was inside. They went straight to the master bedroom,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: committed the murders, and fled out the exact same door
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they came in.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: They never turned on the lights in the children's wing
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of the house.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Which, again, points back to someone who knew the layout
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of the home. They didn't need to search for the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: master bedroom. They knew exactly where to go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So if we are looking at a targeted hit by
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: someone who likely knew the victims, knew the layout of
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the house, and had a very specific, deeply held grievance,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: how did the police sift through the lives of a beloved,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: successful couple to find a murderer?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It's an overwhelming task.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Spencer and Monique were described as joyful, loving people. Where
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: do you even begin looking for an enemy in a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: life that looks perfectly happy?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You utilize a technique called investigative victimology. And as retired
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: detective Tom Smith pointed out, you have to start by
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: shrinking the inner circle.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You don't canvas the whole city. You start with your
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: absolute best friends.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: You start with the confidants. Because everyone, no matter how
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: happy their outward appearance, has someone they vent to. A
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: best friend, a sibling, a trusted co-worker.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Someone knows something.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Detectives will sit down with these individuals and meticulously deconstruct
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the last 14 to 30 days of the Tepe's lives.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: They're looking for the hidden friction.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: They're looking for the anomalies in their routine. Did Spencer
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: mention a patient who was acting erratically?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Did Monique complain about a strange vehicle parked on their street?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Was there an ongoing financial dispute with a contractor or
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: a business partner? Were there any unresolved issues with ex-partners?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's like turning a family's entire existence inside out.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It is deeply intrusive, but absolutely necessary.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And because Spencer ran a dental practice, the professional angle
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is massive here. I mean, he is interacting with hundreds
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of people every month.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: The professional exposure is a huge variable.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Dentists deal with patients in severe pain, high-stress financial billing,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: insurance disputes, and just managing a staff of employees. Detectives
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: have to subpoena employee records.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Was someone recently fired?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Right. Was there a threat of a malpractice lawsuit? It's endless.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And this is where investigators employ cell phone tower dumps
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and geofencing. They don't just rely on human memory and interviews.
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  Speaker 1: Because people forget things. Or they lie.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So they subpoena the victim's phone records to see
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  Speaker 2: every single text, call, and email sent in the weeks
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  Speaker 2: leading up to the murder. They look for threatening language.
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  Speaker 1: They map out the digital network.
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  Speaker 2: They map out the digital network of their lives to
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  Speaker 2: find the one node that represents a threat.
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  Speaker 1: You are taking a couple that is universally praised, and
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  Speaker 1: the police are forced to essentially dig through their digital
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  Speaker 1: and personal lives, looking for their darkest secrets.
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  Speaker 2: They have to operate under the assumption that someone, somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in that network, harbored enough hatred to walk into their
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: sanctuary and pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 1: It really highlights the monumental task of synthesis in modern
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: detective work. The public consumes the polished narrative, the tragic
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: loss of a perfect couple.
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  Speaker 2: But the detectives are burdened with the reality.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They have to marry the hard, microscopic forensic data,
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  Speaker 1: the DNA, the ballistics, the camera footage, with the messy,
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  Speaker 1: complex reality of human relationships.
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  Speaker 2: They have to connect a fingerprint on a shell casing
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  Speaker 2: to a whispered argument in a dental office three weeks prior.
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  Speaker 1: It is a staggering amount of data to process. And
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  Speaker 1: As we sit here and process this deep dive, we
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  Speaker 1: have walked through the excruciating delay of that morning's timeline.
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  Speaker 1: The brutal contrast of a sanctuary turned into a slaughterhouse.
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  Speaker 2: The invisible science of trace ballistics.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And the digital ripples of an escape route and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the complex psychological profile of a targeted killer. We are
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: left with this profound tragedy. A loving couple violently erased,
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  Speaker 1: leaving behind a baffling procedural mystery.
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  Speaker 2: It is a case that requires absolute precision from law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement and honestly immense patience from the community because the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: answers are buried deep in microscopic evidence and layered personal histories.
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  Speaker 1: But as we wrap up this analysis, I want to
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  Speaker 1: leave you with one final lingering thought to explore on
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  Speaker 1: your own.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that isn't found in a police report or
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  Speaker 1: a forensic textbook, but it is the shadow that hangs
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  Speaker 1: over this entire tragedy. We know the toddlers were physically unharmed. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We know they were present in the house during or
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: immediately after the violence occurred. They were sitting in the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: agonizing silence that followed the gunfire.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological impact of that proximity is profound.
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  Speaker 1: You really have to wonder about the mechanics of early
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: childhood memory. Can a toddler's subconscious retain the sensory details
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of a trauma they are entirely too young to articulate?
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  Speaker 2: It's a terrifying question.
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  Speaker 1: Like a specific smell of gunpowder lingering in the hallway.
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  Speaker 1: A sudden sharp noise that violently woke them from sleep.
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  Speaker 1: A specific pattern of heavy footsteps retreating past their bedroom door.
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  Speaker 2: We think of them as unaware because they can't speak
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But the developing brain is constantly encoding sensory data.
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  Speaker 1: As these children grow up, as they learn to process
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the world, could their own fragmented, implicit memories hold the final,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: unspoken witness testimony to the truth of what happened in
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that house?
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  Speaker 2: It brings up the haunting reality of implicit trauma. The
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: mind is an incredible, complex vault, and the body often
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: remembers what the conscious mind cannot access.
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  Speaker 1: It is a heavy question to carry, but it is
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  Speaker 1: exactly the kind of nuanced reality we have to confront
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  Speaker 1: when we look behind the headlines of these cases. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for taking this deep dive with us today. Keep
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: questioning the narratives, keep looking at the microscopic details, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: always stay curious about the complexities hidden within the information
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you consume.