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Shane Grove: Songs, Shawshank, and the Ghosts in Between · Takin’ A Walk Nashville

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  Speaker 1: Taking a walk nashville hey listeners it's sarah harrelson your
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  Speaker 1: host of taking a walk nashville what do bigfoot a
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  Speaker 1: mailman shawshank redemption and tanya tucker all have in common
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  Speaker 1: find out today during my conversation with songwriter shane grove
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  Speaker 1: i take you through his journey of growing up in
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  Speaker 1: ohio and to coming down to Nashville to write songs
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  Speaker 1: with artists like Tanya Tucker and David Allen Coe. We
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  Speaker 1: go through his music journey and his other endeavors in
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  Speaker 1: his career.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your host, singer-songwriter
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Harrelson.
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  Speaker 1: Hey listeners, today I have with me Shane Grove, a
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  Speaker 1: singer-songwriter-podcaster from Ohio. Shane, thanks for being on today. Just
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about how you got into
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  Speaker 1: music and how you got into the Nashville songwriting scene
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  Speaker 1: from Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: Well, am I really in the Nashville songwriting scene? Is
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  Speaker 3: that really, like, what's the measurement to be in the
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  Speaker 3: Nashville songwriting? I wouldn't say so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've written with so many different Nashville artists
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  Speaker 1: and songwriters.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this. As a kid growing up
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  Speaker 3: in north central Ohio, there was no thinking that you
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  Speaker 3: could write music that would someday be played on the radio.
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  Speaker 3: It just didn't exist. As young as I look, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a little bit older than what, you know, everybody would guess.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Um, so there was no, you know, you just didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the opportunities that people have now to make those
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  Speaker 3: connections and, and dream those dreams. But I always liked
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  Speaker 3: to write and I started out writing movie scripts and, um,
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  Speaker 3: I just enjoyed the whole process. And I had a
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  Speaker 3: friend who was a, uh, pro wrestler, uh, Chris Hahn.
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  Speaker 3: He was pro wrestler, wrestled in the WWF for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. And he started getting in the movies and
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  Speaker 3: doing stunt work. And so I kept writing scripts, but,
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  Speaker 3: but a friend of mine, Eric Westfall said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how hard can it be to write a song? Like, let's,
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  Speaker 3: let's just try it. And he was a big country
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  Speaker 3: music fan. And so like a couple of dummies from
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  Speaker 3: North central Ohio, we thought, let's try and, and write
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  Speaker 3: a song, what, you know, we, we can, this, how
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  Speaker 3: hard could this be? It's just like a poem. And
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  Speaker 3: so we started writing some songs. We had no idea
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  Speaker 3: what to do. Uh, there was a local guy here
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  Speaker 3: who did some Southern Baptist type gospel music, who actually
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  Speaker 3: put us in contact with a guy named George Clinton,
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  Speaker 3: who had a studio in downtown Nashville, not the P
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  Speaker 3: funk George Clinton. That'd be a much better story. But
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  Speaker 3: we got some demos made, you know, like that's, but
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  Speaker 3: the guy who sang the demos was a guy named
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  Speaker 3: Daryl O'Donnell. And anybody listening from Nashville probably knows who
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  Speaker 3: Daryl is. Daryl had a record deal of his own
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  Speaker 3: years and years ago. Daryl played for a long time
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  Speaker 3: down at Rippy's and stuff, him and his son. So
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  Speaker 3: we kind of like formed a relationship with Daryl. Just
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  Speaker 3: through the demos he did, we thought it was so cool.
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  Speaker 3: Not knowing any better, and we just kind of like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: would you like to write? So we started writing with Daryl,
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  Speaker 3: a guy in Nashville who had played regular gigs and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and who had had somewhat of a career. And lo
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  Speaker 3: and behold, about the fifth song me and Eric wrote,
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  Speaker 3: Daryl and Clinton put on one of their albums. It
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  Speaker 3: was called Last Pew. I had sat down and wrote
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  Speaker 3: this song with the idea that I was going to
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  Speaker 3: get it right to Darius Rucker and he was going
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  Speaker 3: to sing it. Okay. That hasn't happened yet. Darius hasn't
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  Speaker 3: probably heard the song, but it has been recorded a
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  Speaker 3: couple of different times by a couple of different artists. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was the first time we wrote, we
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  Speaker 3: wrote something. Like I said, it was like five or
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  Speaker 3: six songs in that we thought, wow, this sort of
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  Speaker 3: sounds like something that, Like maybe we know what we're doing.
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  Speaker 3: About 200 songs later, it took before something else. But
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  Speaker 3: it was enough of a kernel of success, I should say,
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  Speaker 3: or that gave us just the inkling of an idea
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  Speaker 3: that we could keep doing this. And it was something
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  Speaker 3: like we love to do. And lo and behold, you know,
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  Speaker 3: step by step, Here I am talking to you. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? It's been a long journey. I've
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  Speaker 3: paid some dues. And it's by... For anybody listening that
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  Speaker 3: wants to be in the music business, nobody's handing you
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  Speaker 3: the golden ticket. Unless you're just so talented, it's undeniable.
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  Speaker 3: I don't sing. I don't play music. it's, I just write.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm always dependent on, you know, writing with
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  Speaker 3: really talented people like you. You know, you're one of
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  Speaker 3: many of the young singer songwriters that I write with
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  Speaker 3: now on a semi-regular basis that I couldn't do anything
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  Speaker 3: if it wasn't for you guys. And there's so many, like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe you're not more well-known for the stuff
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  Speaker 3: you do. I mean, you have a great voice and
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  Speaker 3: you're a really great writer, I think it's just a
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  Speaker 3: matter of time before people discover how wonderful you are.
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  Speaker 3: And I know I'm buttering you up a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and I'm already on the show, but I'm being truthful.
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  Speaker 3: You walk away from rights with Mike Calley's another young
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  Speaker 3: guy who I write with a lot. And you're like, man,
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  Speaker 3: these guys are so talented. But you live in Nashville,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of talented people and you really,
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  Speaker 3: you really have to work hard, keep being consistent, showing
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  Speaker 3: up and, um, have some breaks, you know, and along
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  Speaker 3: the way I, you met some people I met, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I became friends with a man named David Wade, who
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  Speaker 3: was David Allen Co's manager. And I got to have
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  Speaker 3: a relationship with David, which turned into him cutting a
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  Speaker 3: couple songs, the last album that David actually did, um,
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  Speaker 3: in Nashville with original stuff. And he recorded two songs
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  Speaker 3: that I wrote. Um, but that project in itself has
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  Speaker 3: taken a decade, literally taken a decade to come to
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  Speaker 3: fruition and come out. And, you know, through David, uh, I,
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  Speaker 3: I formed a relationship with Tanya Tucker She's recorded a
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  Speaker 3: couple songs of ours that I've written with David Wade,
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  Speaker 3: Eric Westfall, and Moose Brown, who some people might know.
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  Speaker 3: He wrote a little song called Five O'Clock Somewhere. And
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  Speaker 3: talk about being surreal is sitting at the, he calls
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  Speaker 3: it the Moose Lodge, his office studio above the garage.
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  Speaker 3: And you're sitting there. one of the first times you're
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  Speaker 3: in Nashville, me, you know, I'm speaking in the third
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  Speaker 3: person here, like Ricky Henderson. But you're sitting there and
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  Speaker 3: you're writing with a dude who, his Grammy's sitting over
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  Speaker 3: his shoulder. Okay. His Grammy's sitting over his shoulder. There's
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  Speaker 3: gold records on the wall. You're sitting there writing and
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  Speaker 3: Willie Nelson is on the phone calling him because he
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  Speaker 3: wants to talk to him about something or Jamie Johnson
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  Speaker 3: and is this real? Like, I'm just a mailman from Ohio. Like,
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  Speaker 3: what am I doing in this world? But, uh, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, we showed up, I showed up, I made
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  Speaker 3: those trips to Nashville, uh, just to write with Moose
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  Speaker 3: a couple of times because we knew that it just,
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  Speaker 3: everybody wasn't getting that chance. And, um, good things came
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  Speaker 3: out of those, you know, and through those relationships, you know, um,
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  Speaker 3: Tanya is become a friend of mine. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: not like we're having dinner every week or anything, but
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  Speaker 3: we text each other. Um, she always wants to hear
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  Speaker 3: songs I've written. Um, in fact, the song we just
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  Speaker 3: wrote a couple of weeks ago, you know, I sent
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  Speaker 3: to her, um, you know, she loves to hear the
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  Speaker 3: stuff and she, she's a great, um, I want to
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  Speaker 3: say resource, but, If she likes something, she's not afraid
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  Speaker 3: to send it on to some people that it would
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  Speaker 3: be amazing to get a cut by. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying? So those are the relationships you make along
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  Speaker 3: the way because they always talk about finding your tribe,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, and the group of people. Now, if
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  Speaker 3: my tribe includes David and Tanya, I'm in big trouble
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  Speaker 3: because David's already passed. So I kind of get some, but,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but the great thing is, is you get
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  Speaker 3: to be around these people and have a relationship with them.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, then when Tanya or David. who are–
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  Speaker 3: David is one of the greatest writers probably of the
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  Speaker 3: last 50. I mean some of the stuff he's written
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  Speaker 3: is really good. If he's wanting or willing to cut
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  Speaker 3: something you wrote, you have to actually give yourself a
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  Speaker 3: little credit and say, wow, maybe I did something like
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  Speaker 3: you don't give yourself too much credit, but, um, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of, it's kind of cool because there are no
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  Speaker 3: nonsense people when it comes down to what's good and
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  Speaker 3: what isn't. I mean, you're, you're a legend because you
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  Speaker 3: know what's, you know what a good song is. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: I feel blessed that, you know, I was able to
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  Speaker 3: get this, you know, form those relationships with these guys and,
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  Speaker 3: And still Tanya, like I said, she listens to everything.
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  Speaker 3: And she recorded a song I wrote with David that
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  Speaker 3: I hope is coming out. Tanya wants to put it out.
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  Speaker 3: I think people would be blown away if they heard
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  Speaker 3: it because it's two legendary performers. I mean, of course,
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  Speaker 3: I want people to hear it because you know, it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was something I was part of. And, uh, but, uh, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's just so, it's just so awesome to have relationships
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  Speaker 3: with those. And then, and like I said, get to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the younger generation and get to talk to
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  Speaker 3: you guys. You know, when we, what I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people on the outside looking in don't realize
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  Speaker 3: when you go to write, like a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: the first 45, 50 minutes is what are you guys
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  Speaker 3: been doing? Like what's happening with your, in your life. And,
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  Speaker 3: Those are the, that's the stuff that you can't replace. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're always going to write a song. A song might
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  Speaker 3: be really good. It might not be good. 99.9% of
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  Speaker 3: the time, nobody else gets to hear the song anyway,
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  Speaker 3: beyond us, right? But it's just the whole, like we're
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  Speaker 3: in this together and it's such a small group of
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  Speaker 3: people who are in this together. And even though I'm,
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  Speaker 3: I am on the outside looking in, like, I have
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  Speaker 3: a good friend, Lauren Snap, who produces the show, morning
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  Speaker 3: show on SiriusXM. And Lauren and I have become good
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  Speaker 3: friends through, you know, she does radio work and my
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  Speaker 3: podcasting and stuff. But Lauren always tells me, she goes,
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  Speaker 3: you're the one songwriter that has a pension and health care.
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  Speaker 3: So never sent this because of, I mean, look, because
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  Speaker 3: I always say to her, I'm just nothing but a mailman.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, you're not just a mailman. But
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, where I'm from, that's
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  Speaker 3: what everybody, you know, I'm a mailman.
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  Speaker 1: A mailman that delivers great songs to the world. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever think along your music journey about moving to Nashville?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you want to stay in Ohio and just
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  Speaker 1: make the trips?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I will say this. At one time, The post
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  Speaker 3: office used to have this thing in the back of
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  Speaker 3: the magazine. It was called mutual exchange. And if you
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  Speaker 3: were a full-time letter carrier, you could exchange with somebody
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  Speaker 3: if they were and they were looking to come to
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  Speaker 3: your area. One time I saw somebody in Nashville. And
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  Speaker 3: if I had been at a different point of thinking
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  Speaker 3: I could have actually done this and been any good
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  Speaker 3: at it, I would have done it. My kids were
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  Speaker 3: young enough, but my spouse at the time was not
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  Speaker 3: supportive at all. Did not think that I had any talent.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she was right. But, you know, which is the
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  Speaker 3: other thing you have to have is a support system
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  Speaker 3: outside of, like, you and I can get together and
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  Speaker 3: sit down and write a song and work on it.
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  Speaker 3: And we understand that, you know, what it takes to
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  Speaker 3: do it. and what the chances are of it being successful.
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  Speaker 3: You have to have somebody on the outside that isn't
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  Speaker 3: in another line of work or does something else that,
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  Speaker 3: that understands that what you're doing is not a waste
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  Speaker 3: of time. Okay. Um, because people can look at it
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  Speaker 3: as that is like, there's nothing, you're not getting anything
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  Speaker 3: out of this. Well, number one, we're free or create
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  Speaker 3: or feeding our creative fire that we have that we
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  Speaker 3: want to, um, You want to see something new come
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  Speaker 3: out of your idea and share it with the world.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of times that's the only gratification we
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  Speaker 3: get is playing a demo for 10 people. And they're
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  Speaker 3: your friends. Oh, I love that. Okay, that's good enough.
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  Speaker 3: That's good enough. But yeah, so yes, to answer your question.
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  Speaker 3: One time I could have done it. And then it
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  Speaker 3: didn't become practical for me to do it. And then
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  Speaker 3: things really changed with COVID and stuff and with the
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  Speaker 3: advent of Zoom and writing like that, where you didn't
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  Speaker 3: even have to make trips to Nashville. Now, I know
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of writers that want to write with
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  Speaker 3: me and even some artists that want to write with me,
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  Speaker 3: but they only want to do it in Nashville, okay?
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  Speaker 3: I do a lot of other stuff other than work
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  Speaker 3: at the post office and write songs. It's hard to
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  Speaker 3: get me to, you know, if I'm going to get
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  Speaker 3: in the car and take a trip, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: go see my grandkids in South Carolina too. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there are, you do have to keep a balance of
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  Speaker 3: priorities and I'm willing to give up some opportunities to
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  Speaker 3: keep that balance because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, um, family, is really what's important. And we're
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  Speaker 3: only here for such a short time anyway. I do
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  Speaker 3: think that there's ways of doing everything that you want
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  Speaker 3: to do if you manage the time and work hard.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it is very important to have that family
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  Speaker 3: time because you don't ever get it back. Once it's gone,
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  Speaker 3: you don't get it back. I have four daughters. They're
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  Speaker 3: all out of high school. Three of them are out
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  Speaker 3: of college. They're not little kids anymore. I don't get
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  Speaker 3: that time back.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not able to do this interview remotely. We've
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  Speaker 1: done our co-writes remotely, so it's an amazing tool we
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  Speaker 1: have now to be able to do that. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: before Zoom and everything, you were taking some... trips to Nashville,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how you really established those relationships you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about. And I want to dive in to those
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. You were just talking about the song
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  Speaker 1: you will have on David Allen Coe's upcoming album. He
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  Speaker 1: released this past April, but some of his unreleased songs.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the song you wrote on that album.
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  Speaker 1: You said it was like 10 years in the making.
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  Speaker 1: So when did you finally hear the final song and
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  Speaker 1: hear that it was going to be on the album?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you the, the origin story of
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  Speaker 3: the song. Okay. We had David had been asked, we
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  Speaker 3: kind of, uh, David Wade kind of, uh, got David
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity to go down to, uh, average shows at
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  Speaker 3: the time, you know, and they wanted to do like
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  Speaker 3: three or four songs of his. And one of them
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  Speaker 3: was going to be a song we wrote called, called
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  Speaker 3: the corner of cash and co. And, So we go down.
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  Speaker 3: It was my first trip to Nashville. And I walk
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  Speaker 3: in the studio and you have Moose Brown playing keyboards.
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Bowden, who is Garth Brooks' touring steel player, playing steel.
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  Speaker 3: The McNally dude, who's the best guitar player. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like all these guys. Like, holy smokes. Um, and everybody
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  Speaker 3: is in awe of David. Like they're in awe of him.
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  Speaker 3: Cause his first trip to Nashville in years because, because
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  Speaker 3: he owed child support and was afraid of getting arrested.
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  Speaker 3: But that's, you know, that's neither here nor there. So
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  Speaker 3: we go to Nashville and we, and, and we're excited.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm, I'm first trip. I'm in the studio with
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  Speaker 3: these amazing people and David's going to sing the song
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  Speaker 3: that I wrote. And, David has another idea. He has
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  Speaker 3: been listening to the, you know, the song and he's
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  Speaker 3: been thinking about it on the bus ride down and
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  Speaker 3: David gathers all the musicians together and, you know, they,
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  Speaker 3: they all have their sheets, how they're going to record it.
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  Speaker 3: And David goes, Hey, I got a whole other musical
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  Speaker 3: idea for this song. This is what I think it
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  Speaker 3: should sound like. And on the fly, he changes this
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  Speaker 3: song to literally, it sounds like the early Johnny Cash,
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  Speaker 3: like you know that and it was like a rock
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  Speaker 3: song it was a country rock song to that and
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  Speaker 3: i'm sitting here going oh my god what's he doing
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  Speaker 3: and then he changes just the presentation changes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the lyrics um take took stuff that we had
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  Speaker 3: done and make and i'm like oh my did he
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  Speaker 3: what what just happened like did he really record our
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  Speaker 3: song or did he record big and um And so
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't know whether to be sad
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  Speaker 3: or upset or what, like, I just didn't know what happened.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, a side note is like the next day,
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  Speaker 3: me and David Wade go to Matt Lindsay's office, um, the,
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  Speaker 3: you know, publisher and, We're basically whining to Matt Lindsay, like,
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  Speaker 3: David did this to our song. And Matt Lindsay goes,
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  Speaker 3: you idiots. He goes, what are you crying? He goes,
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  Speaker 3: there's 500 songwriters in Nashville that would have loved to
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  Speaker 3: been in the studio last night and had David Allen
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  Speaker 3: Coe singing their song. He goes, what? Just enjoy it
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  Speaker 3: and not get caught up. So fast forward to that session.
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  Speaker 3: He redid like take this job and shove it. He
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  Speaker 3: redid never call me by my name and something else.
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  Speaker 3: So at this point in time, David was in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of trouble, financial trouble by the federal government.
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  Speaker 3: And he had a pending court date coming. And Average Joe's,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the first part of the section, went so good, they
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: wanted to do a whole album. But David was not
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: going to commit to doing a whole album until this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: court session was done. So me and David Wade went
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and picked him up at the time he was living
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, took him and his wife. I dropped them
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: all off at the federal courthouse in Cincinnati. David Wade
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: went in with Miss Kim, David's wife, and David and
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: his lawyer. And I just walked around Cincinnati, like walking
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: downtown Cincinnati, getting a cup of coffee. And Wade's texting me,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: what is going on? And he texts me that, okay,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the judgment came against David. He owes a million dollars.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh my gosh, he owes a million dollars.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And as I'm walking, I start like, I always carry
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a notebook with me. And I'm like, so I wrote
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: down a million reasons. And I wrote this line like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I got a million reasons to give up, but you're
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: not one of them. And so we get done with the,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: we get done, you know, go pick him up. We
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: go back to David's house. Now everything's in motion. David
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: actually goes to Nashville that night, that afternoon. They take
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a detour, collects, signs a contract. He may or may
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: not have collected anything. a substantial amount of money in
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a brown paper bag, and $ 50 bills because $ 20 bills
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: were bad luck, according to David. I don't know if
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: that really happened. That's part of the legend. But we
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: write this song called Me and David Wade and Eric Westfall.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: We go down and write it with Moose. And David,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: then the next recording session finishes the album. And when
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: they get done with the song, the producer, he's like,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: this is... Now, this was his words. He's like, this
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: is Grammy-worthy. Now, I don't think it's Grammy-worthy. But it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: pretty good. It's really cool. I mean, of course, it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: super awesome. For lack of any better superlatives to come
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: out of my writing mouth here. Super awesome. But... Like
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you hear this dude who's written some of the greatest
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: lines in country music history singing what you wrote. Nothing's changed.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: He's singing it just like you wrote it and imagined it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And then you're getting people saying how great it is.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And then it sits there for 10 years. And you're like, man,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I wish people... Because David sounded so good on it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And so... It was already planned. I mean, it just
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: kind of like it was already in the works to
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: come out this year on his birthday. Unfortunately, David passed away,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you know, got sick and passed away. He hadn't been
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: in really great health since COVID. But I'm very excited,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: like very excited for people to hear this because it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: kind of a side of him that I don't think
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: people it's kind of like his field of stone that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: he wrote for Tanya. It's just very, like, vulnerable, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, there's a little outlaw in there,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's the same group of dudes that,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: you know, were in the studio the first time. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: it's just amazing. Like, if you went to see them
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: play as a band for anybody, I mean, Moose and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Rob McNally, I think, playing the Silver Bullet Band when
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Seeger goes out and tours. Okay. So these it's, it's amazing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: So I'm, I'm looking forward to people hearing it because
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good, it'd be a good way
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: to kind of, uh, bookend his career maybe, or his
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: legacy with people hearing some, some new stuff. And there's
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: some other good songs. I mean, there's another song on
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: there that he wrote, um, that's ended up really good.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And of course the, Cash & Co song that we
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: wrote is on there. I'm interested to hear what people
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: think about that because it's something super different.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm very excited to hear A Million Reasons
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that'll be out on the new album. But I love
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that story because I just, you know, songs come from
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: all different places, but you usually don't hear about a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: song being inspired by dropping off david allen code to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: his court appearance so that's pretty.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Crazy hey listen what and i don't even know if
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: david realized i don't because he didn't really talk about
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: what inspired the song but i'm sure david is super
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: was super smart okay and i'm sure he i'm sure
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: he understood like where i was coming from when i
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: when i wrote those lyrics and uh you know like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: i said it's There's still that little outlaw attitude in
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: his voice and some of the phrasing that he does
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: that's kind of cool. I think people who are big fans,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and I think the country music community, whether it was
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: fashionable or not, always still revered David as a performer
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: and a songwriter because he just did what he wanted.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of stories I could tell
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: that we couldn't air on this podcast, unless you had
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: a membership section by the paywall, but, um, but no, it's, it's, um,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: it is just, it's kind of, uh, humbling to get
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to do that, get to even be a part of it,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: you know, to have anybody even consider that you're, uh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: have any shred of talent that you could, uh, be
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: part of these artists legacy. so to speak.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely an honor and a great way to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: remember him.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: We'll be right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Back with more of the Taking a Walk Nashville podcast.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Taking a Walk Nashville.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: You also talked about the relationship you formed with Tanya Tucker.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You've written some songs. With her, you also co-wrote the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: song Higher. It was recorded by Eddie Montgomery of Montgomery
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Gentry and features Tanya on the track. How did that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: song find its home?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: We had originally written the song called Scars that Tanya
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and David did, which is the one that we're hoping
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: that finally comes out because they both sound amazing on it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: So Tanya and I started a relationship where she's like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: what else do you got? And this was before her
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: and Brandy got together and they did the album that
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: she had kind of had a big comeback on. And
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I sent her the song that I wrote, another one
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: that came out of the session with me and Moose
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: and David Wade and Eric Westfall, and it was called Higher.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And I sent it to her and boom, she's like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, that's now, that is a great song.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: So first of all, once I was like, wait a second,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: did she really just say, say that she then championed
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: that song? And she's like, I want to find somebody
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to sing it with me. And, um, it was a
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: who's who of who she sent that to, to try
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to sing it with her and some, Just things, you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: in the music business are tricky. You know, artists got
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: stuff coming out. They can't, they don't want to do
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: a side project or whatever. And Eddie was on Average
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Joe's label and David Wade knew that he was recording.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And we pitched that song for, you know, not really including,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: just pitched it. And Eddie liked it. And then David
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Wade goes, hey, you think you'd like to sing it
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: with Tanya and like who wouldn't want to sing a
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: song with Tanya and then so we just the people
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that get that stuff to work got it to work
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and like it's it's pretty surreal to hear two country
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: music hall of famers doing a duet of a song.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just surreal. Like it just is.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you get in positions, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: where you, you're like, how did, how did this happen? And, um,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: but it's all just, like I said, showing up and
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: making relations. The relationships are the most important thing. Okay.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: The most important thing. And I, And I'll tell you
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: a Tanya story that really syncs up. Because Tanya has
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: been so gracious to me. She's, like I said, so supportive.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And so it was a couple years ago, she was
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: in the studio doing the second album after. She did
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: a follow-up after the first one. And I'm just watching
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: football in December. I'm watching football in my easy chair.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And I get this text from Tanya. It says, hey,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I'm in the studio with Brandy. Miley is next door
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: in the studio and came in, and then we FaceTimed Elton.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And I read this text, and I look at my wife,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: and I said, in what world am I getting this
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: text message? Right. Where, you know, you're talking about Brandy's,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Brandy Carlisle, Miley Cyrus, and Elton John, like... how am
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I even included in this text? And, uh, I, you
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: just sort of like, Hmm, you know, like another Tanya, like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: like when John Prine died, when John Prine passed away,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: like I had pulled over on my mail route because
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: John Prine was a, was a mailman. And I was,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I'm a big John Prine fan. I pulled over and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I just wrote basically a poll about John Prine. And, uh,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And I said to Tanya, cause you know, she was
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: friends with them and I said, eh, this is just
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: something that hit me. And next thing you know, she's
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: texting me later on. She sent to John's widow. Wow.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And she goes, she loved this. She thought it was great.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, like, I wasn't expecting, I was just
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: sharing with Tanya, like, you know, how it hit me,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you know, even though it was a guy I didn't know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: it was a guy that I admired. And, and you're
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: just like, this is not real. Like, you know, that's
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: not real. But it is. And you come to realize
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: that everybody is just normal people. They all have their faults.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: They all have their good aspects to them. You know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and as controversial as David was, David was super gracious
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: to me. I spent quite a bit of time with him.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: But I wasn't one of the people trying to get
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: something from him.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: You know? And I think if you approach people as
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: real people, because they all are real people and 10
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: is the same way, you know, she's this super well-known
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: legendary person. You know, last time I saw her, she
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: gave me a hug and wanted to talk about how
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: great she thought I was in the last couple of
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: songs I had sent her. And it's like, she doesn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: have to do that. She's, you know, but she's a
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: real person. And I think that gets lost a lot
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of times is everybody. Most everybody are real people and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: they just want to be treated like real people. Some
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: of them just, like I said, happen to make the
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: good connections at the right time and be in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: right place at the right time. And, um, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm just thankful to have a little, be a
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: little bitty part of it. Um, Because it is. Some
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: of the stuff is country music history, you know? It
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: just is, you know?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I'm so glad you got to be a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: part of these songs and form these relationships and the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: beautiful relationship with Tanya. And, you know, like you said,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of these relationships can't be forced. It's all
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: about showing up, which you have certainly done. And I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: love seeing all the songs you've had cuts from other artists. So,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: In addition to writing country songs, to delivering the mail,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you're also a podcaster. You are the host of the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: From the Shadows podcast, one of the top paranormal shows.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: What made you want to start a podcast about supernatural
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and paranormal activity?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Well, like I said, growing up where we did in Ohio,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: like Bigfoot and stuff was, just didn't happen around here.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you just thought it was somewhere else in
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the world. And so we always grew up fascinated with,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: you know, the Bermuda Triangle, which nobody talks about anymore.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: They must have solved that mystery. Ghosts, you know, all
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: this stuff. Monster, you know, you grew up on monster movies. Well,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I had a friend who is now a judge here
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: where we live. When we were in high school, had a,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: experience that he couldn't explain. And it took about 30
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: years for him to figure out what he had witnessed
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the one night encountered. And through that, he felt compelled.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I want to tell my story because how I'm a,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a sitting judge. I have to get reelected every
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: six years, but I don't, I want to be able
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to tell my story and have people feel comfortable telling
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: their stories. And He told it a couple times on
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: different shows. The response was so good. He's like, hey,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: let's start our own show. We love to talk about
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: this stuff. Almost 900 episodes later, we're still talking. And
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: it just keeps, you know, the big joy that we
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: have is there's a lot of people who have whatever
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: their experience is who are afraid or feel They don't
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable talking to their family and friends because maybe
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: they don't believe in it. And we give them a
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: forum to come through and tell their stories. And I'm
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: going to tell everybody, especially the country music fans, my
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: friend Lauren Snap, the producer, had one of the best.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: So she was on our Halloween episode three or four
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: years ago. It's one of the craziest, best episodes. ghost
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: story episodes we've ever done something happened during the episode
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: that people all over the world heard in the episode
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and and i will go down to saying it is
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: it is uh like it's one of those episodes like
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: people ask me like has anything crazy ever happened or
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: yeah there's that's one of the episodes laurence and here's
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the thing is is i give her give her some
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: crap every now and then because she like, uh, her
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: co Cody Allen does not believe in ghosts apparently. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: she's like real quiet about it on the show. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you need to tell it, you need to
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: tell him what happened. So hopefully somebody will hear this
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: and force her to, uh, to tell the story. But,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: but no, I, I love, I love talking to people
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: and giving them a, an opportunity or a, uh, a forum, uh,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to share their experience. It's like you, you're, you're giving
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: songwriters and people in the business, a forum to tell
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: their stories. And like, who knows, this might be the
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: only time I ever get to tell the David Allen
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Co story. And it may go down as it goes
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: down as a part of, of, of lore of how this,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: you know, how the song came to be. Um, so, but,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it's, um, yeah. Anybody that is into the
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: paranormal or, Bigfoot or Dogman or ghosts or UFOs, come
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: check us out. Tell me you heard me on the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: podcast here with Sarah. And I can't promise I'm going
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: to send you any stickers or anything. Maybe I will.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. But we're all over everything.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: And we get more and more people coming forward. I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: when I get done with this, I got two episodes
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to record for that. So, you know what I'm saying?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So crazy. Yeah, and you have episodes coming out weekly, correct?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Wednesday and Friday we have new Paranormal episodes. And I've
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: started doing live episodes on Sunday on YouTube.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Because it will bring back former guests that told their
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: experience and people have got to listen to them. And
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: then they can ask questions in real time. And I just...
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: One of my favorites is Chris Berry, who's a well-known
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: character actor. He was on The Walking Dead and True
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Detective and stuff. He had a paranormal experience that he
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: shared and he came back. this last Sunday for a live.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: And we got into his acting career, and people got
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: to ask questions. And we got into, he wrote a book.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: And so it's a whole other, like, little twist on
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: just talking. You know, you get to meet them, the
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: people that have these. Now, not everybody's not as famous
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: as he is, you know. and isn't acted opposite Matthew
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: McConaughey and, uh, you know, stuff like that. Uh, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: been in Tarantino movies and stuff, but it's, it's interesting for,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: you know, he's just, you should come to find out.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: He's just a normal person who has a, you know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a different job than everybody else. And, uh, um, but
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: it's fun. It's fun to get to bridge those gaps
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: in people's lives of them getting to touch, uh, people
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: they just they think are different for whatever reason but
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: they're not they're just all people right you know they're.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: All it's so interesting yeah definitely check out from the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: shadows podcast um hoshane grove wherever you get your podcast
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: i noticed you also wrote a horror book called from
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the shadows um and i love that the cover on
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the book says anticipated bestseller uh so Did the book
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: come before the podcast or because of the podcast?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: No. So it goes back to my screenwriting days. So
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I had written a couple screenplays. And because of the
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: early success of the podcast, people were coming at, you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: they want to do projects. And some people were interested
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: in taking a couple of our screenplays that the judge
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: and I had written. And turning them into books. What
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: happened was this guy that wanted to do it didn't
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: have the patience to actually, because a screenplay is vastly
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: different than a book. It's not nearly as detailed for
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: various reasons. And he just put out the screenplay in
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the book. And I'm like, who's going to read it? Surprisingly,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a bestseller by any stretch of the imagination.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: But that was part of his marketing. For those who
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: are not watching marketing program, I'm using an air quote.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: But the fans of the show, well, when we do
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: live appearances, we still have, I carry some of the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: books with me that I have. They love it. They
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: love it because it's another piece of what we do.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And I've done some acting shows. very loose interpretation of
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the word acting, but I've done some stuff. You know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was in Shawshank. I was in.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: So you played an inmate in Shawshank Redemption.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I played an inmate in Shawshank Redemption, which, which then is,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I can't get away from the prison because then we
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: filmed the music video of David's and the Moonshine Bandits
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: at the same, because David is actually in Mansfield Correctional
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Institute for a time. where they filmed Shawshank, where we
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: filmed the music video. We filmed and made another movie
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: called Escape from Death Block 13, where I played a
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: prison guard instead of a prisoner. I've produced some other
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: movies coming out. We have a trilogy coming out later
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: this year of scary horror movies, suspense movies. Another well-known
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: podcaster and cryptid uh personality stacy brown jr and i
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: have written a movie called uh tate's hell that we're
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: going to film in november you can we have the
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: trailer and the short film up you can watch that
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  Speaker 3: and and he wants me to play the a part
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  Speaker 3: in this movie set in the 1850s and it's gothic
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: horror you know so it's it's super it's super interesting
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: how like i said you keep showing up And you
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: make these relationships. Next thing you know, I'm playing a
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: sheriff in the 1850s gothic horror movie.
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, I love that you're a part
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of cinema, podcasting, and music. So if I go back
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and watch Shawshank Redemption, is there a specific scene where
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I can be like, oh, there's Shane?
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's probably five or six scenes where... If
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you really look close, you can, uh, you could see me, um,
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  Speaker 3: because I had much, I actually had hair, so I
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: had longer hair and it was kind of greased, greased
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: back for the, uh, age. But I told, I just
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: told this, this on the podcast live the other night
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  Speaker 3: with Chris Berry, because he was asking me about being
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: in Shawshank. And I said, it was a, it was
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: a summer of one of my years in college. And
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I was working at this grocery store stocking shelves at
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: night with one of my writer buddies, Eric Westfall, who
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: got me in. We're both stocking shelves at Meijer. And
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I got this part in this movie and they called
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: me back and said, hey, we want you to come
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: and be part of the even more focused cast. You know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: like the real 15 to 20 inmates that are in
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  Speaker 3: every scene. Now, the genius that I am says, well,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: how many days? They're like, well, it's probably going to
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: be 30 days worth of work, but it's going to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: be about 30 days. And I'm sitting there thinking, how
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: can I give up this job of stocking dog food
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: and water softener salt for $ 4. 50 an hour and go
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: be in this movie with Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: and Clancy Brown why would I want to go do that? And, uh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: so I turned them down. And, uh, so I was
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: only in the scenes I was in and I, but she,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: but like I said, back then you didn't think for
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: one second, like fast forward that I'm going to have
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: these opportunities that I've had. And, uh, you know, and,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: and some of the people that were from our area that,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: were like productions assistants on that have gone on to
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: be huge, huge people. Um, one of the, the one
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: gentleman wrote Aquaman and I believe the conjuring or it's,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: it's a horror franchise. I can't remember which one it is,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: but he's, he's huge. And he was a production assistant.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: He was a kid. Who went to Ohio State and
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: for the summer went and became Frank Darabont's production assistant.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Then he went and worked on The Mist and I
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: believe The Green Mile. And then he's written like six
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: movies that have made like a couple billion dollars worth
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: of revenue from our area. Wow.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And most of the filming for Shawshank was filmed in
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: your area?
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. every single bit was filmed in our area, except
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: for the final scene where they two, where they meet
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: each other on the boat. Like he's out, he's on
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: everything else was in the small towns around us. And then,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: then the prison. And, uh, it was, you know, they still, uh, they,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: they just had a reunion where some of the cast
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: members came back and, uh, it's fun. You just didn't
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: know what you were, you didn't know what you were
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: a part of, you know? And, um, you know, I,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: you can, and like I said, you can always think
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: back and wish I had done this, but your journey
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: is your journey. And, you know, if there is a
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: journey you want to take, make sure you show up
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: for that journey and pay the price to continue on
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: that journey. And don't think, I wish I'd gotten on
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: that other bus or whatever, you know, get, get on
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the bus and, and see where it goes, but make
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: sure you're, by the end of that journey, maybe you're
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the one driving the bus. You know what I'm saying?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: You've had some amazing stops along the way with your
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: career journey. I can't wait to see, um, what songs
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you have up your sleeve next, or episodes from music
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to cinema to podcasting. It's been great getting to know
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: your story, Shane. My last question for you, we are
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: on Taking a Walk in Nashville, so I want to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: know if you could take a walk with anyone in Nashville,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: who would you take it with, and is there a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: specific place in Nashville you would take that walk?
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Holy smokes. Um... Nashville has changed so much. Um, but I,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I gotta admit, I'd love to, I don't want to,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I'd love to get with Tanya one time
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: and say, let's go and tell, you know, cause she
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: was there doing it as a kid. Okay. Doing it
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: as a young, and I've heard some of the crazy
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: stories of, from her and from, you know, other people
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: from that time. And I just love to see like
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: what she remembers and what, what really cool things happened
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: to her along the way. And then just kind of
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: hear how stuff has changed and if it's changed for
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: the better or the worse.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I think like the, the, the people who have that
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: pedigree in that, that vintage to them that, you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: those are the people you want to, you want to
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: get those stories from those people. And so they live forever.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: You know, you want to hear the stories so that
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: they can get passed down. And I just love to
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: see what Nashville, I'd love to see Nashville through her
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: eyes as a young kid experiencing it for the first time. And, uh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: you know, ask her the same questions that you asked me,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: like how, you know, how's this, what would you do different?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: What would, you know, what happened along your journey that
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: you look back?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: That's cool. That's a good answer. I had a feeling
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that Tanya would be your answer for that question.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I couldn't say David because I would be,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: even though I'm into the paranormal, getting David to come back.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: And then I'm not even sure I could get him
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: to come back as a ghost because, you know, there's problems.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: You already walked him to court, so that's your walk
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Hey, look. Maybe I got a book in me. I
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe I got another book in me. Another
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: book in.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: You definitely have a lot of stories to tell. Shane,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for telling your story today on
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Taking a Walk Nashville. It's been a pleasure having you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Listen, it's been my pleasure. It's been my pleasure getting
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: to know you as a songwriter over the years. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I just, like I said, getting to write with super
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: talented people is a reward enough most times because you
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: it just blows my mind how untalented I really am
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: compared to all you guys. And I just feel blessed
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: that you guys just seem to want to hang out
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: with me. So I appreciate you asking me to come on,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: and hopefully people enjoyed what we talked about.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Taking a Walk Nashville with Sarah Harrelson.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Please check out our other shows produced by BuzzNight Media Productions.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Comedy Save Me and Music Save Me, hosted by Lynn Hoffman,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and Take It a Walk, hosted by yours truly, Buzz Knight.
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• 51:44
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• 51:47
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