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Missing Nursing Student Mackenzie Lueck: Foul stench leads to burned human remains & torture chamber plans? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Last Monday, McKenzie Lewick's family
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Speaker 1: says she landed at the Salt Lake City International Airport
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Speaker 1: after attending her grandmother's funeral in California. She took a
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Speaker 1: lift from the airport to an address in North Salt Lake.
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Speaker 1: Her family and friends say since then, the twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old hasn't been seen or heard from it. I've
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Speaker 1: never met a person that doesn't like McKenzie. She is
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Speaker 1: the sweetest and most genuine. Julianna Cowley says she has
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Speaker 1: felt lost ever since her best friend McKenzie Lewick disappeared
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Speaker 1: the Paramedic College at the University of Utah, where Luick
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Speaker 1: is studying kinesiology. Collie says they hit it off from
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Speaker 1: the start. It's not like her to go off the grid,
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Speaker 1: and if she did, then she would tell me. Luick
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Speaker 1: was last heard from around one am on June seventeenth,
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Speaker 1: when she texted her mom to say her flight landed
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Speaker 1: safely at Salt Lake International Airport. From there, police say
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Speaker 1: she order to lift to an address in North Salt Lake,
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Speaker 1: but Coley says Louie didn't live in North Salt Lake
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Speaker 1: and she doesn't know why she went there. Her parents
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Speaker 1: reported her missing three days later. Our friend from CBS,
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Speaker 1: David benode the mystery surrounding the disappearance of a gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: young co ed McKenzie Luke in the last hours a
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Speaker 1: major break in the case. McKenzie was met at Hatchpark
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Speaker 1: by an individual in a vehicle. Police believe she met
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Speaker 1: with the person at the park Willingly. The making the
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Speaker 1: model of the car has not been determined. From here
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Speaker 1: McKenzie disappeared. Does mackenzie have an alternate phone that she
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Speaker 1: is used or is using? Who did McKenzie meet in
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Speaker 1: North Salt Lake City? Does mackenzie have any social media accounts?
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Speaker 1: We don't know about. One more question police are trying
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Speaker 1: to answer, does she want to be found? She hasked
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Speaker 1: no obligation to call the police department or anyone else,
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Speaker 1: and saying here's where I went. Chris Burbank is a
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Speaker 1: former Salt Lake City cheap He says police are doing
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Speaker 1: the right thing, calling Lewick missing, but not necessarily in
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Speaker 1: danger and in the circumstance it would certainly be tragic
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Speaker 1: if this young woman is in fact in danger and
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Speaker 1: we didn't do enough. Our friend at Fox's thirteen mc McDonald.
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Speaker 1: This young student, just twenty three years old, a nursing
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Speaker 1: student goes missing, and it seemed totally out of character
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Speaker 1: because this young girl, Mackenzie Luke even texts her mom
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Speaker 1: when she touches down at the airport. Video surveillance from
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Speaker 1: the airport showing her after she's off her playing getting
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Speaker 1: her luggage, leaving the airport, and she's texting somebody very
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Speaker 1: very significant. Then the next player in this scenario is
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Speaker 1: a lift driver at the gate go This all seemed
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Speaker 1: very unusual to me. The lift driver divulges. He takes
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Speaker 1: her to a park at three o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Her flight got in super late. By the time she
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Speaker 1: gets her luggage is way past one o'clock. But why
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Speaker 1: drop her off at a park? Joining me right now
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Speaker 1: All Star Panel Telecommunications expert ben Levitan at ben Levitan
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Speaker 1: dot com, Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, New York psychologist
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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com, Karen Stark trial lawyer, author
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Speaker 1: of red Flags on Amazon, Wendy Patrick, commander of the
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Speaker 1: Cajun Coast Research and Rescue Tony Wade, and joining me
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Speaker 1: right now, Crime online dot com investigative reporter Dave mac
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Speaker 1: Dave explained to me about the lift driver because he
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Speaker 1: says that he drops her all basically at an open
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Speaker 1: field at three o'clock in the morning. Dave, the lift
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Speaker 1: driver takes her to the park and says that she
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Speaker 1: got out of his car and that she was greeted
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Speaker 1: by another person. She didn't seem to be stressed out
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Speaker 1: and anyway, didn't seem to be concerned about anything. They
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Speaker 1: greeted one another as if they knew one another, and
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Speaker 1: she got in the car and left. Okay, Now, right
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Speaker 1: there at the get go, it defies common sense to
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Speaker 1: me that anybody wants to be let off at a
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Speaker 1: park at three o'clock in the morning. Joining me right
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Speaker 1: now out of Raleigh telecommunications expert renowned expert Ben Levitan
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Speaker 1: at ben levitan dot com. Ben, how can we track
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Speaker 1: whether the lift driver was telling the truth? Well, this
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Speaker 1: is just easy because your phone and the lift driver's
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Speaker 1: phone both have GPS in it. When you order a lift,
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Speaker 1: your locations get stored at the lift server in Tan Francisco,
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Speaker 1: and that's the way lift should assure that their drivers
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Speaker 1: are affecting a lot of people. That the software allowed
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Speaker 1: the driver to be located, so we have confidence that
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Speaker 1: if we're going to lift it was independent in this
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Speaker 1: and talk to them. They can give us a track
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Speaker 1: of both these people until she was dropped off, probably
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Speaker 1: within thirty feet, Nancy, we know where she was dropped off. Okay,
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Speaker 1: ben Levitant, let me understand this. Every time I order
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Speaker 1: a lift or an uber, what I write into the
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Speaker 1: two boxes A my pickup, B where I want to
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Speaker 1: get dropped off, that's being stored somewhere out there in
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Speaker 1: the cloud. Yeah, that's what lifts businesses. They have a
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Speaker 1: server in San Francisco and when you put in your
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Speaker 1: when you put your pickup location, it knows automatically the
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Speaker 1: exact location of every one of its drivers, and the
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Speaker 1: driver that's closest to you will come pick you up.
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Speaker 1: Now for business, you know the way this works. Lift
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Speaker 1: will know exactly where you are when you're picked up,
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Speaker 1: and although where you dropped they kept a record of
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Speaker 1: where she was until they dropped her off in Hatch Park,
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Speaker 1: and they probably know where they dropped her off within
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Speaker 1: thirty feet, napteen, within thirty feet. And here's another thing
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Speaker 1: with me telecommunications expert out of Raleigh being lift hand
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Speaker 1: ben how quickly, And we're not dealing with the phone
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Speaker 1: company that drags it out forever. You got to go
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Speaker 1: with a subpoena. They've got a process that it's got
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Speaker 1: to go through corporate blah blah blah. When you're talking
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Speaker 1: about lift or Uber or another ride service, how long
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Speaker 1: does it take to get that info? And one more thing, Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. You say they know where their
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Speaker 1: driver is at all times? What is it like a
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Speaker 1: video game? They can see the movement of the driver.
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Speaker 1: Just about That's how video games work. Basically, your phone,
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Speaker 1: your phone is a tracking device and as long as
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Speaker 1: your feeding information back to lift us to your location,
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Speaker 1: which they are doing when they're being picked up and
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Speaker 1: dropped off. Yes, you can sit at the left location
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Speaker 1: or insulation, just like a big video game. That's exactly
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Speaker 1: how Because Wendy Patrick trial lawyer joining me out of
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Speaker 1: California and author of Red Flags. You can find it
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, Wendy Patrick. When we're dealing with a phone company,
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Speaker 1: like hey, let's triangulate their cell phone. Let's find out
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Speaker 1: where they were last on the phone, like we're doing
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Speaker 1: in Kelsey Barres's case. You know, Patrick, frazy the killer
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Speaker 1: fiancee allegedly, we're trying trying to find out where her
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Speaker 1: phone went, and it took forever, Wendy Patrick. Why could
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Speaker 1: they get this out of the lift within seventy two
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Speaker 1: hours and it takes days and days and days to
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Speaker 1: get it from the phone company, Wendy, Isn't that a
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Speaker 1: great question, Nancy? That's the ban of our existence as prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: is trying to figure out how we can get the
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Speaker 1: forensic evidence we need the quickest. You know, Nancy, you
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Speaker 1: and I remember back in the day when we didn't
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Speaker 1: have this type of technology and it was virtually impossible
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Speaker 1: to track people to the extent that we can today.
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Speaker 1: But that's the angeled question. Why does cooperation seem to
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Speaker 1: be so easier I should say easier in some instances
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Speaker 1: than others. I don't know, but that's one of the
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Speaker 1: questions that I'm sure is going to be answered, along
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Speaker 1: with so many others that are outstanding about this case. Well,
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Speaker 1: another thing that you're talking about, Wendy Patrick, you know,
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Speaker 1: to hey, with the prosecutor, I'm talking about maybe saving
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Speaker 1: somebody's life, because by the time the prosecutors typically on it,
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Speaker 1: it's any been investigated and dieted, and it's going to
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Speaker 1: a jury, or at least a grand jury, and I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about saving the girl's life. We need the information
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Speaker 1: right now. So okay to you joining me, renowned guests,
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Speaker 1: the commander of the Cajun Coast Research and Rescue, Tony Wade.
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Speaker 1: You've been on so many searches I can't even count them.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about this young girl, Mackenzie Luke, and
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Speaker 1: I would never have thought it, but apparently it doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense to me. You want to get dropped off
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Speaker 1: in an open park at three am? But he's telling
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Speaker 1: the truth. So then what do you do? You go
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Speaker 1: to the park and what do you do? Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: the first thing we want to do is it clear
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Speaker 1: that part to make sure that she is not in
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Speaker 1: the surrounding miles. Uh. You know, he's saying that that
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Speaker 1: another vehicle picked her up, So in a search standpoint,
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Speaker 1: that that that kind of throw us a lot of
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Speaker 1: problems because you know, now, now we have an information
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Speaker 1: that that she probably left the park, where do you
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Speaker 1: go next to to even attempt to search for um?
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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a whole lot of holes in
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Speaker 1: a story that's coming out almost daily right now. So
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Speaker 1: you know, as far as the search standpoint you have,
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Speaker 1: you just don't have any idea of where do you
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Speaker 1: even start at? Dang okay now, and Tony Wade, the
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Speaker 1: commander of the Cajun Coast Research and Rescue says, you
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Speaker 1: don't know where to start. That's the truth. You don't
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Speaker 1: know where to start. They're left there at that park.
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Speaker 1: But in the last hours a stunning break in the
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Speaker 1: case climb stories with Nancy Grace. Investigations confirmed that on
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Speaker 1: June seventeenth, McKinsey departed a plane at the Salt Lake
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Speaker 1: City Airport at approximately two am. McKinsey obtained a ride
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Speaker 1: via Transport Services to the destination of Hatch Park, located
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Speaker 1: in North Salt Lake City. McKenzie was dropped off by
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Speaker 1: the Transport services at the Hatch Park, where another individual
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Speaker 1: met with her. McKinsey left the park with this individual
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Speaker 1: at approximately three am on June seventeenth. Investigations were conducted
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Speaker 1: on McKenzie's phone records, social media and other communications, which
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Speaker 1: showed that all communications ceased from McKenzie at three am
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Speaker 1: in June seventeenth, Joining me right now. Forensics expert Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Order of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon Joseph Scott Morgan in the last hours of major
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Speaker 1: break in the case of the search for a beautiful
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Speaker 1: young nursing student. Mackenzie Luke just got Morgan. What does
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Speaker 1: this mean to you as a forensics expert that all
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Speaker 1: communications ceases at three a m. It gives us an indication, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that the shum woman, for whatever reason, has has gone
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Speaker 1: completely silent. And what would be the need for that.
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Speaker 1: It's a scary proposition in this day and age, particularly
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Speaker 1: with cell phone devices, where you completely you completely just
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Speaker 1: fall off of the grid at that point, Tom, was
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Speaker 1: the phone shut off? Was the phone destroyed? And it
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Speaker 1: gives us an indication that there might be something malicious
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Speaker 1: going on here? Well, also to telecommunications expert joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Raleigh, you can find them at ben Levitan
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Speaker 1: dot com. Then you also have to look at the
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Speaker 1: targets pattern. I try to go long stretches of time
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Speaker 1: when I'm around the twins without getting on my cell
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Speaker 1: phone or consulting it or looking at it. And I
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Speaker 1: do that on purpose so they're not exposed to Mommy
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Speaker 1: constantly putting the cell phone before them. So other people
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Speaker 1: don't have that concern and they're on the phone all
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Speaker 1: the time. What do I explain why someone's patterns are important. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's really good, dancy. If we by the way, LIFT
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Speaker 1: has an exigent of situation platform set up. If you
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Speaker 1: have an emergency, LIFT will assist immediately. Guys, we're asking
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Speaker 1: why is it so hard? Every stuff on the company
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Speaker 1: has a place where you can go into a true emergency.
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Speaker 1: But what your point is, we want to look at
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Speaker 1: her history and say, find out has she been to
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Speaker 1: this park before? Is this a regular meeting place? If
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Speaker 1: it is, that gives us a good possibility that other
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Speaker 1: people know where she is, or a matter at the park,
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Speaker 1: or they're other witnesses. I was thinking among the lines
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Speaker 1: of the fact that all I mean typically with me anyway,
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Speaker 1: at three am, all my communications have ceased. Okay, because
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Speaker 1: I am asleep. I hope I'm hearing a lot of echo.
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Speaker 1: You have got to mute everybody because it is really
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Speaker 1: messing us up. Mute everything while I'm talking, because I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing myself in my ear talking back. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: say that again. Well, another issue, and what I was
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Speaker 1: driving at is at three am. You would expect most
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Speaker 1: people's communications online too, you have ceased. So what's interesting
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Speaker 1: to me when they say all her social media ended
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Speaker 1: at three am, it means it didn't pick up the
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Speaker 1: next morning. I mean, it's very clear if this was
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Speaker 1: a young woman that stayed on her phone all the time,
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Speaker 1: which I think she did, and then suddenly nothing, it's
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Speaker 1: very very telling. A couple of days go by and
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Speaker 1: then this so far missing Mackenzie Lewis's cell phone has
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Speaker 1: not been recovered. Rather eerie. Her Instagram account suddenly showed activity.
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Speaker 1: Her account started following another one, and as we see
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Speaker 1: so often in these cases nowadays, a missing person's digital
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Speaker 1: footprint becomes so critical, okay to Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporters. So she goes missing day's past
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly she starts following another account. In other words,
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Speaker 1: her account becomes active even though she's missing. What did
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Speaker 1: that mean to police? Dave mac You know, Nancy, it
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Speaker 1: meant that either somebody had her phone and was using it,
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Speaker 1: or she was not missing as much as they thought.
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Speaker 1: You know, early on they said, look, she's an adult,
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Speaker 1: she can go away without people being, you know, being
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Speaker 1: told where she is. It's just out of character. So
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Speaker 1: her family and friends got real excited when that Instagram
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Speaker 1: thing popped up. They're like, hey, wait a minute, who's
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Speaker 1: got the phone? Where is she? You know in her
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Speaker 1: social media accounts. Certainly there is an indication there as
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Speaker 1: to who picked her up. We've established the lift driver
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Speaker 1: was telling the truth. Karen start joining me, New York psychologist.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen dot com. It all
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Speaker 1: seemed out of the ordinary to me, because this is
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Speaker 1: a girl that actually texted her mother when she landed
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Speaker 1: late at night on a late night flight. And it
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Speaker 1: just seemed inconsistent to me that this girl would then
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Speaker 1: go and get out of a lift car at a
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Speaker 1: public park and up in the car with somebody else.
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Speaker 1: It does that sounds inconsistent. It doesn't fit her personality
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Speaker 1: at all, Nancy. She doesn't sound like she's very impressionable
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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden she would meet somebody and say,
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Speaker 1: why don't you meet me at this place? Back to
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Speaker 1: ben Levitan, telecommunications expert out of Rali. Ben, as much
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Speaker 1: as we know about the lift procedure, you know where
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Speaker 1: you get picked up, you know where you get dropped off,
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Speaker 1: they can follow the lift driver's car like it's a
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Speaker 1: video game. What about social media? I mean, can't they
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Speaker 1: figure out couldn't they figure out who she was meeting
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Speaker 1: in that part? I mean she had to do make
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Speaker 1: a cell phone call, a text and emails something to
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Speaker 1: get picked up there. Well, actually, Nancy, it could be
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Speaker 1: even easier than that. It's three in the morning, Like
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Speaker 1: you said, your cell phone company connection to a cell
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Speaker 1: powered dum of the tower that covers hatch part. That
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Speaker 1: would give you a list of every phone number that
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Speaker 1: was connected to that cell tower in that part the organance,
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Speaker 1: and that couldn't be that many. Okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait tell me again,
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Speaker 1: cell towered dump? What is in slowdown for me? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So when you are using yourself, when you are connected
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Speaker 1: to the closest cell tower at all times, and the
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Speaker 1: phone company knows has a list of every cell tower
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Speaker 1: that is connected to it at any given time, of course,
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Speaker 1: because if they want to send you a call, they
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Speaker 1: have to know where you are. So at three in
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Speaker 1: the morning, how many people could possibly be connected to
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Speaker 1: the cell tower it hatched park? Very few? If the
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Speaker 1: police go request a cell towered dump. In other words,
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Speaker 1: please dump for me a list of all the phones
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Speaker 1: that were connected to this cell power between say two
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Speaker 1: and four in the morning. You'd probably get a list
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Speaker 1: of two dozen people, and you'd have an automatic list
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Speaker 1: of suspects and automatical list of possible witnesses. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've been talking about doing that in the Missy Beavers
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Speaker 1: mom murdered inside a church in Midlothian, Texas forever and
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Speaker 1: I've got a funny feeling they have not done it.
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Speaker 1: A cell tower dump Bill Levitant's talking about. And then
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Speaker 1: out of the blue, take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox thirteen City Police. And a lot of digging
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Speaker 1: in that backyard. There were canines that were brought in.
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Speaker 1: We're not sure if those were cadaver dogs or not,
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Speaker 1: or whether they hit on anything. Chief wouldn't say, but
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Speaker 1: we do know that there was a lot of digging.
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Speaker 1: And then this morning we actually witnessed the vehicle that
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Speaker 1: belongs to the State Medical Examiner that was at the
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Speaker 1: home and then left about five am. Typically those are
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Speaker 1: not called to a seen unless there is evidence of
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Speaker 1: a body there or some sort of human remains, but
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Speaker 1: they were there the chief would not confirm withhether or
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Speaker 1: not anything of that nature was found at the host
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The local contractor has come
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Speaker 1: forward claiming a Jah he asked him in April to
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Speaker 1: build a soundproof hid in room behind his secret door
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Speaker 1: at the house. Never I've never ever had anybody asked
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Speaker 1: me anything like this. After he turned down the job,
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Speaker 1: a Ja, he persisted making repeated requests through texts, and
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Speaker 1: he was adamant about getting it done really fast, and
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Speaker 1: money was no object and he just needed to get
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Speaker 1: it done before his girlfriend came into town. Police say
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Speaker 1: Mackenzie Lewick met a Jah he had a local Salt
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Speaker 1: Lake City park at three am June seventeenth. From there,
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Speaker 1: police believe a Jah. He then took her to his home.
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Speaker 1: The next day, neighbors reported a large fire coming from
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Speaker 1: the backyard. Wow. Literally overnight, this happens. I gotta tell
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Speaker 1: you something, asking for a soundproof room to be built
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Speaker 1: behind a secret door. Welcome back, everybody, Ainency Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. In
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Speaker 1: the last hour. Stunning developments rapidly unfold in the case
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Speaker 1: of a missing nursing student. McKenzie Luke last seen at
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Speaker 1: an open park around three am in the morning when
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Speaker 1: a lift driver drops her off and that has been
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Speaker 1: confirmed and she gets into the car of another person.
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Speaker 1: The search is on and then suddenly we hear about
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Speaker 1: a contractor describing a soundproof room behind a secret door
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Speaker 1: that he, by the way, refused to build. To Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt Crime online dot Com investigator reporter, the secret soundproof room,
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Speaker 1: what were the specifications for that? What did the guy
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Speaker 1: want in the room? You know, the guy that he
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Speaker 1: called was actually just a drywall contractor. For the most part.
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Speaker 1: He actually wanted it to be built in such a
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Speaker 1: way that it was about four foot by eight foot
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Speaker 1: and just a little bit bigger than a walk in closet.
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Speaker 1: But he wanted there to be a special entry where
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Speaker 1: you had to use like your thumb imprint to enter,
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Speaker 1: so the only person that could open that door would
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Speaker 1: be the POI and he could use it them. Then
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Speaker 1: inside the room, he wanted soundproofing. And when the contractor said, dude,
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Speaker 1: why do you want it like this is awful small,
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Speaker 1: he said, well, I'm gonna put wine racks. He wanted.
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Speaker 1: He wanted these big hooks, big nasty hooks. To be
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Speaker 1: put up about eight feet up off the ground, and
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Speaker 1: he's like, why do you want hooks up that high?
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Speaker 1: And he said, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna hang wine racks.
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Speaker 1: And he goes said, why do you need to be soundproof?
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Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna listen to my music down here
21:40
Speaker 1: really loud. Okay, you know, maybe I've been in the
21:43
Speaker 1: business too long. But to Windy Patrick, renowned trial attorney
21:48
Speaker 1: out of California, author of red Flags on Amazon, Windy,
21:51
Speaker 1: I mean I could hear somebody like defense attorney Mark
21:55
Speaker 1: Garrett Goes or some other famed lawyers saying, hey to
21:59
Speaker 1: each his own to wait here if he has a
22:00
Speaker 1: sound prey for ram with hooks across the top. Yeah,
22:03
Speaker 1: I disagreed. I think a jury would too. Yeah, Nancy,
22:06
Speaker 1: we duly type of frit flags. Well, I suppose this
22:08
Speaker 1: is one of them. It's kind of like the case
22:10
Speaker 1: where you have somebody going to a hardware store and
22:12
Speaker 1: buying duct tape and uh and wire and types of
22:16
Speaker 1: things that could be used in a murder. Butt could
22:18
Speaker 1: all okay, white white, white, Windy Windy plays, let's complete
22:21
Speaker 1: the list. Duct tape, wire, a tarp uh, you know,
22:26
Speaker 1: cleaning supplies. You know you yet don't have all that
22:30
Speaker 1: to complete your murder. And it never fails that they
22:32
Speaker 1: go straight to home deep I were lows, and they
22:35
Speaker 1: get caught on video camera buying at all with their
22:37
Speaker 1: credit card. Okay, go ahead, Well here's there's what else
22:40
Speaker 1: is similar, Nancy. Not only do you have the complete
22:42
Speaker 1: murder shopping list at home depot. Okay, I'll give you that,
22:45
Speaker 1: but you also have the fact that, like you say,
22:48
Speaker 1: a defender, a defense attorney could come back and say, hey, look,
22:51
Speaker 1: there could be an innocent explanation for all of these
22:53
Speaker 1: incriminating looking items, because they only look incriminating in retrospect. Nonetheless,
22:58
Speaker 1: the fact that, and you wonder whether there's more to
22:59
Speaker 1: the story, but the fact that this contractor refused to
23:03
Speaker 1: participate in the building and construction of that room, that
23:06
Speaker 1: in and of itself is incredibly telling. By today Matt
23:09
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, did I just hear
23:13
Speaker 1: about a fire pit in the backyard? I mean I
23:17
Speaker 1: haven't heard that, says Stephen Avery. Murder Theresa haulback and
23:22
Speaker 1: then became a media darling with Netflix, making a murderer unbelievable.
23:26
Speaker 1: You're right, Nancy. And actually it was interesting in the
23:29
Speaker 1: investigation turned on this. You know, we didn't even hear
23:31
Speaker 1: about the police and a search warrant until after neighbors
23:35
Speaker 1: came forward to journalists and said, hey, we had a
23:37
Speaker 1: neighbor over here burning something in the middle of the
23:39
Speaker 1: night and it was really the stench was horrible. It
23:43
Speaker 1: was a description that could only be met with, well,
23:45
Speaker 1: it's got to be a body of some type. And
23:47
Speaker 1: then the neighbor said that he used gasoline. And we
23:50
Speaker 1: all know you don't use a bunch of gasoline to
23:51
Speaker 1: light a fire in the backyard. You're cook and barbecue.
23:54
Speaker 1: But if you want to destroy evidence, well you do that.
23:56
Speaker 1: So he actually had been burning this in the middle
23:58
Speaker 1: of the night, and it was so bad that neighbors
24:00
Speaker 1: actually contacted journalists too. Forensics expert author of Blood Beneath
24:05
Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, what
24:08
Speaker 1: do you make of the gasoline of the stinch? Well,
24:10
Speaker 1: if you're attempting to get rid of something, many people
24:13
Speaker 1: labor under this illusion that you can burn it up
24:16
Speaker 1: with gasoline get rid of it. In this case, maybe
24:19
Speaker 1: we might be thinking of a body of some type
24:22
Speaker 1: it takes a lot more than just gasoline, and it's
24:25
Speaker 1: gonna smell to be perfectly blunt with you, like a
24:29
Speaker 1: barbecue gone bad. It'll create a huge stinch in a
24:33
Speaker 1: particular area. Keep in mind, this is something that would
24:37
Speaker 1: have been completely foreign to all of the neighbors that
24:40
Speaker 1: they're smelling the smell. So yeah, it would really grab
24:44
Speaker 1: the people in the neighborhood. It would grab their attention
24:46
Speaker 1: very very quickly. Well, let me be more specific, Joe Scott.
24:51
Speaker 1: When I was in New York on nine one one
24:53
Speaker 1: September eleven, there was not only the smell of something burning,
24:59
Speaker 1: but it was a weird, to my untrained senses, electrical smell.
25:05
Speaker 1: That's the only way I could describe it. It smell
25:08
Speaker 1: like somebody was burning wires and electronics. So if you
25:12
Speaker 1: burn a human body, what do you smell? The body?
25:16
Speaker 1: A body will just like if you're thinking of any
25:19
Speaker 1: other type of tissue that we might barbecue, for instance,
25:24
Speaker 1: it's going to give off that. Okay, I was just
25:26
Speaker 1: waiting for you to bring in the idea of a
25:28
Speaker 1: backyard barbecue. I knew it was going to happen. I
25:30
Speaker 1: was hoping it wouldn't, but you did it, Okay, go ahead, Well,
25:35
Speaker 1: it's going to have a very and after this is
25:37
Speaker 1: exposed for a protracted period of time where the fire
25:40
Speaker 1: has continued to build, it will give that charred, horrible
25:44
Speaker 1: smell that we smell just like with any other severely
25:48
Speaker 1: burned piece of tissue. Tony Wade with me, Commander of
25:52
Speaker 1: the Cajun Coast Research and Rescue. You've seen it all.
25:56
Speaker 1: Do you agree or disagree with Joe Scott Morgan who's
25:59
Speaker 1: described ribbing the stinch the neighbors must have smelled if
26:04
Speaker 1: that backyard fire had anything to do with McKinsey Luke. Yeah,
26:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna free to smell that that
26:09
Speaker 1: it's gonna get everybody's attention whether it or not, whether
26:12
Speaker 1: it is or not, I mean, it's just gonna be
26:14
Speaker 1: it's a unique smell, uh, you know, different than than
26:18
Speaker 1: any other animal. Humans, human remains have a smell that
26:21
Speaker 1: is just all of its own. So I mean it's
26:24
Speaker 1: it's gonna create some issues and somebody's gonna question it
26:26
Speaker 1: because it's gonna smell strange. It's gonna smell bad um,
26:30
Speaker 1: you know. And on the opposite side of that that
26:32
Speaker 1: even if you burn the body. Uh you, you can't
26:36
Speaker 1: burn it enough to where the dogs in our situation,
26:39
Speaker 1: kennars can't pick it up. And we're gonna pick it up.
26:41
Speaker 1: We do it all the time in house fires. We're
26:43
Speaker 1: going to search and and the dogs still can identify
26:46
Speaker 1: that source. But it's just going to create a stinch
26:48
Speaker 1: that that all the neighbors are gonna know. Um, it's
26:50
Speaker 1: just it's not gonna smell good at all. You know,
26:52
Speaker 1: it's funny as an odd and canny for instance. And
26:56
Speaker 1: I was telling the story about the smell after the
26:59
Speaker 1: attack on the twin towers. I didn't know why it
27:05
Speaker 1: smelled that why I could only describe it as something electrical.
27:09
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to police Chief
27:13
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. Neighbors informed detectives that they observed him burning
27:18
Speaker 1: something in his backyard with the use of gasoline on
27:20
Speaker 1: the dates of June seventeenth and June eighteenth. The search
27:24
Speaker 1: warrant resulted in the findings of a fresh dig area
27:27
Speaker 1: on his property. A forensic excavation of the burn area
27:31
Speaker 1: was conducted, which resulted in the finding of several chart
27:35
Speaker 1: items that were consistent with personal items of McKinsey. Luck.
27:39
Speaker 1: Other chart material was located, which has now been forensically
27:43
Speaker 1: has been determined to be female human tissue. A DNA
27:47
Speaker 1: profile of that human tissue was obtained during forensic testing
27:50
Speaker 1: by the Utah State Lab. That DNA profile was compared
27:54
Speaker 1: and is consistent with the DNA profile obtained through further
27:58
Speaker 1: forensic testing a personal eye of McKenzie Luck. Investigations in
28:11
Speaker 1: the McKenzie the communications and data ceased at the time
28:16
Speaker 1: of June seventeenth, at approximately three am. Investigation of McKenzie's
28:22
Speaker 1: phone records show that her last communication were with the
28:26
Speaker 1: interview with him. He admitted to having text conversations with
28:30
Speaker 1: McKenzie on June sixteenth at approximately six pm, but nothing
28:35
Speaker 1: after that time, that he did not know what McKenzie
28:38
Speaker 1: looked like, and denied having seen a photo or online
28:41
Speaker 1: profile of McKenzie, despite having several photos of her and
28:45
Speaker 1: the profile photo. The person denied any personal contact with
28:48
Speaker 1: McKenzie or meeting with her at any time. So he
28:51
Speaker 1: denies any personal contact or meeting with McKenzie at any time.
28:55
Speaker 1: You were just hearing the assault. Lake City Police Chief
28:57
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. The guy they're looking at, says he had
29:03
Speaker 1: no idea what McKenzie even looks like, but then police
29:07
Speaker 1: find pictures of McKenzie on his cell phone at all
29:11
Speaker 1: comes to a boiling point. It's with heavy heart that
29:14
Speaker 1: I address you today. After an exhaustive week of investigation,
29:20
Speaker 1: we are filing charges of aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, obstruction
29:26
Speaker 1: of justice, and desecration of a body in the homicide
29:31
Speaker 1: of McKinsey. Luck. The man charged with these horrific and
29:37
Speaker 1: tragic crimes is the person of interest. Ayola odd to
29:42
Speaker 1: say at Chaya, I will not be saying the killer's
29:46
Speaker 1: name again. Iola Ajaya, the man now arrested in the
29:55
Speaker 1: murder of this gorgeous young nursing student, a thirty one
30:00
Speaker 1: year old former Army IT specialist, an author of a
30:06
Speaker 1: self published book titled Forge Identity. Let me understand this.
30:14
Speaker 1: To Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, is
30:17
Speaker 1: it true that in his self published book Forge Identity,
30:23
Speaker 1: victims suffer in a shockingly similar way to McKenzie Luke
30:32
Speaker 1: about gruesome murders and the victims being burned alive. That's
30:38
Speaker 1: what even makes it worse, Nancy, as we heard the
30:41
Speaker 1: evidence of us coming out. You know, they found in
30:43
Speaker 1: the backyard. And yet you're looking at this book where
30:46
Speaker 1: he's actually talking about the ultimate torture of two fifteen
30:49
Speaker 1: year olds and then burning them alive, not killing them
30:54
Speaker 1: and burning the remains. We're talking about killing somebody by
30:57
Speaker 1: burning them. What do we know about this guy? You know,
31:01
Speaker 1: my nephew is an IT troubleshooter. Yeah, he's brilliant when
31:06
Speaker 1: it comes to all of that. I never know what
31:09
Speaker 1: he's even talking about. This thirty one year old is
31:12
Speaker 1: a former Army IT specialist. I mean, hold On ben
31:17
Speaker 1: Levitan telecommunications expert. What does that mean? An IT specialist? Well,
31:22
Speaker 1: it could mean a wide variety, thinks. But he hooks
31:26
Speaker 1: up computers and most programs and that sort of stuff,
31:30
Speaker 1: probably for military applications in the Army, was probably trained
31:34
Speaker 1: to do so that would probably be transferable to this,
31:37
Speaker 1: you know, the civil world. Wow, okay, let me understand
31:41
Speaker 1: something else to Karen Start, and boy do I need
31:43
Speaker 1: a shrink. Karen Start joining us from Manhattan, well known psychologists.
31:49
Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen Start dot com. Karen
31:51
Speaker 1: to write a book about it. I mean, you know,
31:54
Speaker 1: other than my nonfictions of regarding the crime and the
31:58
Speaker 1: criminal justice system. I write murder mysteries. I try my
32:02
Speaker 1: best to turn them into movies for Hallmark. Long story short,
32:08
Speaker 1: I doubt seriously if I'm ever going to use any
32:11
Speaker 1: of my made up imaginary plots on real people, although
32:15
Speaker 1: my husband did get a little nervous when we were
32:17
Speaker 1: at Gatorland with children. But what does it mean that
32:21
Speaker 1: it's in the book and then police believed he kills
32:26
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Luke the same way as forge identity. It means
32:31
Speaker 1: he's a psychopathmatic, which says that unlike you or anyone
32:36
Speaker 1: else who would write a murder mystery, this is a
32:39
Speaker 1: fantasy that was inside this guy's head. If you look
32:43
Speaker 1: in that book and you read about anything gruesome or tortuous,
32:48
Speaker 1: he's been dreaming about it, fantasizing about it, and then
32:51
Speaker 1: he finally gets this opportunity, unfortunately, to do it with McKenzie.
32:56
Speaker 1: So he's enacting something that he's been wanting to do
33:00
Speaker 1: for a very long time. It gives him pleasure, I mean,
33:04
Speaker 1: good grief. He's got one of a soundproof room with
33:07
Speaker 1: hooks at the top that he could only get in
33:10
Speaker 1: with his fingerprint fingerprint identification to open the door. He's
33:15
Speaker 1: writing books publishing them. That's pretty bold about murder the
33:20
Speaker 1: same way we believe McKenzie was murdered to Tony Wade,
33:26
Speaker 1: commander of the Cajun Coacht Research and Rescue Team. Tony,
33:30
Speaker 1: you mentioned that your dogs could find a body even
33:35
Speaker 1: if it had been burned. Let me ask you this.
33:39
Speaker 1: If he burned her body in the backyard and they
33:41
Speaker 1: have found female human tissue in the burn pit, what
33:46
Speaker 1: do you expect to find back their, Tony Wade, and
33:48
Speaker 1: what have you found in the past when victims have
33:50
Speaker 1: been burned a lot of times, we're going to find
33:55
Speaker 1: some parts of flesh to burn. We're going to find,
34:00
Speaker 1: you know, skeletal remains of thus or somebody understands that
34:06
Speaker 1: you have to have an extremely high degree of terature
34:09
Speaker 1: to to actually consume all of the flesh in the body,
34:13
Speaker 1: having to be extremely hot. So you know, we're going
34:16
Speaker 1: to find uh, you know, it's gonna look like ash,
34:19
Speaker 1: but there's going to be portions of flesh there, and
34:21
Speaker 1: then there's gonna skeletal remains. He just got Morgan weight in.
34:24
Speaker 1: What do you expect to find in a burn pit
34:25
Speaker 1: when a body's been there. The problem with this guy
34:28
Speaker 1: needs is the way he went about this apparently is
34:31
Speaker 1: that he has used an accelerant like gasoline, and it's
34:34
Speaker 1: flashed over very quickly. That means that on her body,
34:38
Speaker 1: if this gas which I assume that it probably was,
34:41
Speaker 1: was poured directly to it, it would flash over, it
34:43
Speaker 1: would burn intense just for a very short period of time.
34:47
Speaker 1: But as our colleague mentioned, in order to get he
34:50
Speaker 1: didn't have that here. So she had enough soft tissue,
34:53
Speaker 1: Nancy that in one one source that I'm reading, they
34:57
Speaker 1: were able to extract DNA from actually the soft tissue.
35:00
Speaker 1: That tells me that you very well might find a
35:04
Speaker 1: cause of death or some indication the cause of death.
35:08
Speaker 1: For instance, if she had been stabbed, you will still
35:11
Speaker 1: see potentially injuries to the soft tissue with actual wound
35:16
Speaker 1: tracks in this area. And also the underlying bone has
35:20
Speaker 1: not been disturbed, and currently the organs have not been
35:24
Speaker 1: decimated to the point where you couldn't appreciate the trauma.
35:27
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at Buck's thirteen. This
35:30
Speaker 1: is Laurence Steinbrecker. What exactly is it inside this home?
35:34
Speaker 1: I talked to a woman who was here a couple
35:36
Speaker 1: of months ago, saying now that she saw something inside
35:40
Speaker 1: that she hopes will help police. And I saw the
35:43
Speaker 1: images of the house and I was like wow. Tera
35:45
Speaker 1: Chatterton immediately recognized this fair Park home. She came to
35:49
Speaker 1: clean it back in March. It's just like basic wipe
35:51
Speaker 1: down of cleaning the house. I talked to him for
35:54
Speaker 1: an hour and a half while I was cleaning, so
35:56
Speaker 1: he was really nice in play. Now she's in shock
35:58
Speaker 1: to see the house and the owner part of an
36:01
Speaker 1: investigation related to missing University of Utah student Mackenzie Lewick.
36:05
Speaker 1: When Tara cleaned the home, she did take note of
36:07
Speaker 1: something that she now hopes could help police. That there
36:11
Speaker 1: was cameras everywhere in the house. In the master bedroom,
36:14
Speaker 1: there was three cameras in there. Okay, cameras in your home.
36:18
Speaker 1: It's not unusual, especially if you have nanny cams like
36:21
Speaker 1: some people me, but Joe Scott Morgan, come on, three
36:27
Speaker 1: cameras in the bedroom. This goes to this fantasy world
36:31
Speaker 1: Karen was speaking of. He's observing things as they go
36:35
Speaker 1: through And with psychopaths like this, I've worked a number
36:39
Speaker 1: of cases involved in serial killers. They like to relive
36:44
Speaker 1: these fantastical moments over and over and over again. And
36:47
Speaker 1: as sick and twisted as it is. That's the reality
36:49
Speaker 1: that the police are dealing with. And if you heard,
36:53
Speaker 1: if you heard in the pressor that chief of police
36:56
Speaker 1: when he made this announcement, he said, I'm not even
36:59
Speaker 1: gonna say this guy's name again. I can imagine that
37:02
Speaker 1: they've already witnessed some of these things that he did
37:05
Speaker 1: to this poor woman. Be Levitan, telecommunications expert out of Raleigh,
37:10
Speaker 1: how do you retrieve that video from security cams placed
37:14
Speaker 1: throughout the home or can you? Oh, I'm sure that
37:17
Speaker 1: all the sub video is goes back to the server
37:19
Speaker 1: in his own homes and all that will be a
37:23
Speaker 1: retrievable even if you will raise it forensically. The police
37:27
Speaker 1: have the equipment that would be able to retrieve all
37:29
Speaker 1: this video and the digital footprint I'm sure also includes
37:34
Speaker 1: that he uploaded a lot of this to a clown
37:36
Speaker 1: as the backup to said generally, what people do? It
37:40
Speaker 1: just kind of technology. To Dave Mattcrime online dot Com
37:43
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, what can you tell me about the estranged
37:47
Speaker 1: wife of this guy? Well, apparently Nancy. He married a
37:50
Speaker 1: woman with a number of children back in twenty eleven
37:53
Speaker 1: in Dallas She says they never consummated the relationship because
37:57
Speaker 1: she was scared of him. Well, she was pregnant when
37:59
Speaker 1: they got married, and then she was afraid of him
38:02
Speaker 1: after she gave birth to her final little boy. But
38:05
Speaker 1: here's the other catch, Nancy. She claims that he was
38:07
Speaker 1: physically violent with her, that he threatened to beat her,
38:10
Speaker 1: he threatened to kill her with a knife, and they
38:12
Speaker 1: actually got into a fight because he wanted to move
38:15
Speaker 1: back from Dallas to Salt Lake, where he was from.
38:18
Speaker 1: She said in the last time she saw him that
38:20
Speaker 1: she actually had to escape from him by jumping out
38:24
Speaker 1: a window where she damaged attendant in her hand to
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Speaker 1: prevent her from being able to work to this day.
38:28
Speaker 1: If you have information regarding the disappearance of McKenzie Luke,
38:32
Speaker 1: please dial eight zero one seven ninety nine three thousand,
38:37
Speaker 1: Repeat eight zero one, seven ninety nine three thousand as
38:41
Speaker 1: investigators build the case against her alleged killer. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend.