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Jaguars Happy Hour: Wednesday, August 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, August. This is Jaguars Happy Hour, and
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  Speaker 1: now a guy who could easily shotgun a can of
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  Speaker 1: Gatorade or beer or six pounds standing rib roast j
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  Speaker 1: Peace shiit Rick. The man's not wrong. Welcome into Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Our our first Wednesday show of the campaign, and
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  Speaker 1: we've got plenty to get to today. Bucky Brooks debut,
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  Speaker 1: will get to the offensive installation and a short time
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  Speaker 1: frame for this Jaguars offense. What can they get done
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  Speaker 1: over the next week and a half. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: the defensive attrition that has happened so far and how
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars battle that. And a report this afternoon that
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  Speaker 1: a trade is from what imminent of Unike and go
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  Speaker 1: Way will touch on that, and we'll go around the
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  Speaker 1: National Football League. John Osier, Jaguars senior writer with us
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  Speaker 1: as always on Wednesday, but we welcome in the newest
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  Speaker 1: member of the Jaguars broadcast team from NFL Network and
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  Speaker 1: former Jaguar, Bucky Brooks. Bucky, it's great to have you
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  Speaker 1: and thanks so much for having me home, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to be a part of the team. No doubt, John,
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  Speaker 1: You've known Bucky for a long time. Going back to
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  Speaker 1: the I guess the mid nineties, right, well, we had
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  Speaker 1: two years together. As writers like to say of players
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  Speaker 1: they cover, uh covered Buckey nine six, part of ninety
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  Speaker 1: seven with the Jags, and then you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: last few years as as a lot of us to
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com and around the NFL have have gotten
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  Speaker 1: a no Bucky again in his work, you know, through
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, especially leading up to the draft. He's been
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  Speaker 1: on a lot this offseason as we geared up for this. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I can tell you JP
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  Speaker 1: as a reporter, when I saw that Bucky was doing
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  Speaker 1: well as an analyst, it didn't surprise me. He was
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  Speaker 1: one of the better guys to talk to in the
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  Speaker 1: locker room back then, and he's still one of the
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  Speaker 1: better guys to talk to on television in the media now.
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  Speaker 1: So Bucky, I'm looking forward to any Buddy, thanks so much.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the kind of words we need, some like
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  Speaker 1: classic nineties six stories. We've got a whole season to
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  Speaker 1: get to some of those, but you know, I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: to hear some of those as we move along here. Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, you see his work on NFL Network the
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  Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah. Five years in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League, including some time here in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it wasn't long after that, Bucky, you
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  Speaker 1: went straight into media work. You were pretty quick into
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  Speaker 1: it right after you retires that right, Well, it's got
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  Speaker 1: a four abroust seven years. So that kind of gave me, um,
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  Speaker 1: I guess uh feel for the business in a way
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  Speaker 1: because I was writing so much. But then man in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seven, had an opportunity to start writing for
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  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrate it and away I went. But it's been
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  Speaker 1: a very, very enjoyable experience and I'm really loving what
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to do. What you got us. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: scouting part of it is interesting because you put you
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  Speaker 1: in Daniel on a podcast together. It's like, Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: you guys know exactly what you're looking for, what you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to two prospects. The pre
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  Speaker 1: draft process is unbelievable with you two guys. But having
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  Speaker 1: that scouting background gives you an insight that not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have. Yes, Younique Man, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I've been blessed and fortunate in my career. It's not
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  Speaker 1: only played for a bunch of great hit coaches, but
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  Speaker 1: to be around a bunch of great person nail Man
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  Speaker 1: from Ron Wolf to some of the other guys that
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  Speaker 1: I've also been around, Scott mcluen and John Snyder, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I've really learned a lot about the business
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  Speaker 1: and the team. Going to process John, it's uh, it
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  Speaker 1: is a different view of things than we would have
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  Speaker 1: right as a as a writer and a broadcaster. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't been inside those war rooms, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a little different John. To get his point of view,
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  Speaker 1: there's no question. And a couple of weeks ago, when
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  Speaker 1: Bucky was on the Arizone Pie Cast, we talked about
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit and I was fascinated to learn
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  Speaker 1: how being a scout, which is much different than how
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  Speaker 1: you see things as a player. I think players often
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  Speaker 1: just see things from their own individual position point of view.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a wide receiver, that's how you see the world.
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  Speaker 1: You're wanting the ball, you're trying to learn the offense.
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  Speaker 1: As a scout, you have to step back and look
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  Speaker 1: almost down on the game from a higher point of view.
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  Speaker 1: Not that many media types which Bucky unfortunate for you. You
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  Speaker 1: You are a media type. Now, uh not that many
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  Speaker 1: in the media have both of those who have seen
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  Speaker 1: as a player and know how players think, and who
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  Speaker 1: have seen it from a scout. So I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say it's absolutely he's the only one. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a very unique point of view that he comes with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs unique, But I'm excited. I'm excited to offer up
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  Speaker 1: some analysis for the Jacks. Let's do it, man, Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's get right into it. Let's start off though with
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  Speaker 1: big picture. Look here, guys, it is a strange training
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  Speaker 1: camp around the National Football League, no preseason games, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to get work in with only fourteen
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  Speaker 1: padded practices. Actually eleven of those are full practices. There's
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  Speaker 1: a ramp up period even in pads that I think
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  Speaker 1: we're still in right now, maybe one or two more
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  Speaker 1: practices before you can go a full practice in full pads.
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  Speaker 1: So the time and the opportunity for players that are
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  Speaker 1: maybe on the roster bubble to show off and shine
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  Speaker 1: is limited at best this year. Bucky. How much of
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  Speaker 1: a challenge is evaluation for a coaching staff, for a
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  Speaker 1: scouting staff, a GM decision makers when there's no action
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  Speaker 1: under the lights at all. Yeah, this is really really
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  Speaker 1: tough because there are certain guys that play well during practices,
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  Speaker 1: but there are other guys that shine in game. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get back with Bucky you at a moment. Well, John,
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  Speaker 1: this is you know, as we talked about before the
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  Speaker 1: evaluation process, it comes down to paddent practices. That's difficult.
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  Speaker 1: You would think though, that there's a pretty good idea
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  Speaker 1: of more of the football team, which those those bubble
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  Speaker 1: guys are going to be the real question mark this year.
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  Speaker 1: Who stays, who goes in the practice squad? Who? You know,
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  Speaker 1: forty two of the guys, Uh, they're gonna be in
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  Speaker 1: the team. They have a good idea. I think what's
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  Speaker 1: interesting about this is the reality is with sixteen practice
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  Speaker 1: squad guys, and this is gonna be a year where
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  Speaker 1: I think you use more than that. You're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: some floaters as I call them, guys who are on
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  Speaker 1: and off the practice squad. You know, I get the
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  Speaker 1: cut down days a big deal in the NFL because
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  Speaker 1: you know you're either making the team or not. But
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about the numbers, when you get to
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  Speaker 1: eighty guy is in camp sixteen plus fifty three. All
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're at sixty nine guys. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that many guys here are actually fighting for jobs.
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  Speaker 1: I think the teams trying to figure out who do
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  Speaker 1: went on the practice squad, who do we want to
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  Speaker 1: sort of have in that minor league if you will,
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  Speaker 1: to quick call up. So yes, it'll affect some jobs
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  Speaker 1: at the end. But I almost get the feeling in
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  Speaker 1: this COVID season that there's gonna be so much opportunity
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  Speaker 1: because it's some turnover that this all sort of works out,
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  Speaker 1: and in the long run, a lot of the guys
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  Speaker 1: who get cut, I think we're going to be on
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  Speaker 1: active rosters before the end of the season. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: it all will sort of work out over the course
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  Speaker 1: of the next hopefully four months. Bucky Brooks back with us.
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  Speaker 1: Now we lost you, they're glad to have you back,
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  Speaker 1: of course. So yeah, the the challenge here is trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out who is your core part of your
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  Speaker 1: football team, Who do you want on that practice squad?
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  Speaker 1: How do you get them to the practice squad without
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  Speaker 1: getting them selected off waivers. Yeah, no, it is a
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  Speaker 1: big challenge, and John, you bring up a great point
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  Speaker 1: about the monor league system and using the practice squad
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  Speaker 1: like that, because that's where a lot of the draftees
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  Speaker 1: or the undrafted free agents that normally would have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to make the team, they may find themselves on
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad. But because the practice squad is so
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  Speaker 1: critical this year, the coaches have to continue to develop
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  Speaker 1: the young players. It has to be a priority for
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars to make sure they developed the young players
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  Speaker 1: because you're gonna need them to play around the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the season when it comes down to a cutdown.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the rosters at eighty now, right, um,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've gotta be at fifty three. Maybe they've
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  Speaker 1: added one I can't remember, and then the practice squad
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  Speaker 1: is sixteen, So there's true like nine to ten actual
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  Speaker 1: players that won't be around the organization unless you poach
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  Speaker 1: somebody off another waiver wire, right, Bucky. That's that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the big thing. We always think about the huge
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  Speaker 1: cut down from fifty three, but it seems a much
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  Speaker 1: front this time around. Yeah, it's much different. And when
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  Speaker 1: teams decided to become skinny, meaning only bring eight guys
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  Speaker 1: into camp, you pretty much cut your team almost all
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  Speaker 1: the way down. As John was refercenting, you have fifty
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  Speaker 1: guys that can be on the active roster, another six
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  Speaker 1: team and that practice squad mix. So right now we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about sevenone guys, eight or nine guys that are
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  Speaker 1: in play on the bubble. Typically the team kind of
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  Speaker 1: has a general idea who they want to carry on
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  Speaker 1: their squad, but they do leave a spot or two
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  Speaker 1: for a surprise they may emerging camp. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: move along. Now. The other part of this thing is
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  Speaker 1: teams affected by this new field. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: get to feeling, guys that a more veteran football team,
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  Speaker 1: a team that has an established offensive scheme, defensive scheme, uh,
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  Speaker 1: players who have been around an organization for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: will have an advantage in this situation without preseason games,
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  Speaker 1: where a team like the Jaguars is young with a
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  Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, a second year quarterback, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: young players on the team, they're trying just trying to
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  Speaker 1: get an offense going bucky. This is I think an
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  Speaker 1: advantage for a veteran team rather than a team really
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  Speaker 1: like the Jaguars, it's young and trying to figure things out. Typically,
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  Speaker 1: I would say it is advantageous for a veteran team
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  Speaker 1: because they already understand the system. There's a level of
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  Speaker 1: chemistry and continuity that already exists with the team. However,
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  Speaker 1: with a team that you have an offensive coordinator that's
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  Speaker 1: new and you have young players, you can maybe catch
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  Speaker 1: some early opponents by surprise because they haven't seen what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing because they haven't been any preseason games. That's
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  Speaker 1: an excellent point in fact, John, you know that the
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  Speaker 1: next trick, John, is Jake Gruden has to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what type of offense this is and can those guys
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  Speaker 1: pick it up? And uh, it's still He said the
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  Speaker 1: other day that this team is in diapers, but they've
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  Speaker 1: got to put those big boy pants on pretty quick here, John,
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  Speaker 1: and be ready to go week one. That's not going
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  Speaker 1: on the door quick. Yeah, you better change out the
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  Speaker 1: diapers fast. And he knows that there's I think it's
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  Speaker 1: twelve practice in the next thirteen days something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely critical for Jay Gruden to figure out what he's
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  Speaker 1: got during that. You know, I'll say this, I agree
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  Speaker 1: with Bucky. Teams with veteran quarterbacks and coordinators who have
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  Speaker 1: been together, I think have a tremendous advantage right now,
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  Speaker 1: I think I will say I get the Gardner Mansh's young.
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  Speaker 1: I am glad for the jaguars sake that they at
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  Speaker 1: least have a veteran coordinator, meaning Jay Gruden has been
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  Speaker 1: through this before. And I think Doug Morone to a
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  Speaker 1: point he didn't anticipate COVID, but he did say when
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  Speaker 1: he hired Jay Gruden he didn't want a young guy
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  Speaker 1: this time. He wanted somebody who had been there before.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't know about COVID. But I think the fact
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  Speaker 1: that COVID has come along and really cut down the
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  Speaker 1: learning time absolutely means that Jay Gruden, I think, will
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  Speaker 1: have a distinct advantage any veteran coordinator over a guy
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  Speaker 1: who's coming in and also trying to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: be a coordinator. Jay doesn't have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: He knows how to do this. Yeah, let's say yes
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  Speaker 1: to the next point here of go ahead, Bucky No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that's a really good point. And the trick
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  Speaker 1: will be how quickly can Jake Gruden adapt to going
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  Speaker 1: to MINSH you and what he has around him? How
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  Speaker 1: quickly can he cut down a big playbook and make
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  Speaker 1: it small and digestible for all these young guys to
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  Speaker 1: be able to play fast. Yeah, what what is this
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  Speaker 1: offense going to look like? That's the next question, right,
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  Speaker 1: Are they gonna lean on the quarterback, second year guy
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  Speaker 1: with some young playmakers around him, or are they gonna
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  Speaker 1: pound the rock with Leonard for that and a contract here? Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: what's your gut on what this thing is gonna look
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  Speaker 1: like at the start? You know, my my gut would
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  Speaker 1: normally say, hey, let's lean on the running back, because
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  Speaker 1: if you have a veteran running back that you can
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  Speaker 1: lean on, it makes the game easier for everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at what Jake Gruden does schematically
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  Speaker 1: and how Garner Minshew's plays, it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: marriage made in head. A quick rhythm passer running a
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  Speaker 1: West Coast offense that gets the ball out to the playmakers.
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  Speaker 1: You look at the playmakers that are on the outside,
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  Speaker 1: DJ charg dd Westbrook, Lebiscus, and there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of weapons that can make place. And then don't underestimate
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  Speaker 1: the impact of Chris Thompson. Chris Thompson could be a
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  Speaker 1: critical factor out the backfield as a wide receiver. And oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, Lena Finette also called the ball will
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  Speaker 1: out the backfield. I think it may still be past
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  Speaker 1: centric with Lynn Ferns Steel having a heavy workload as
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  Speaker 1: a runner. It's the great unknown for the Jaguars in
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  Speaker 1: what is this thing even gonna look like? Nobody knows.
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  Speaker 1: Let's come back. We know what this defense is donald
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  Speaker 1: in the past around here, but there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: new faces over there, especially over the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: We'll here from Timmy Journ again when we come back
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  Speaker 1: and discuss the report this afternoon that there could be
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  Speaker 1: a trade upcoming involving a certain defensive end. You can
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  Speaker 1: if it's you know, they need me to come in
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  Speaker 1: and you know, be a heavy round guy. You know, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I can make that happen. I can do that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if they need me to get to the quarterback. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I got the ability to do both, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. All I need to really do
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  Speaker 1: it's just proved to to to everyone that I'm ready
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  Speaker 1: for that. You know, that's the biggest thing. I gotta
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  Speaker 1: prove my point here within the next three weeks that
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, I'm ready for the task and I
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  Speaker 1: think I can do it. Timmy Juragan the defensive tackle
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  Speaker 1: signed by the Jaguars this week and he joins the
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  Speaker 1: defensive line room that has a whole lot of new
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  Speaker 1: faces over that time period. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy ur
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  Speaker 1: j P. Shadrick with Bucky Brooks and John Osier and
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  Speaker 1: we're discussing the defensive line. This has been a revolving
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  Speaker 1: door the last few weeks around here, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: opt outs, some guys put on reserve, are the injured
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  Speaker 1: reserve list. Uh, some guy has signed. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts here. And then this afternoon
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  Speaker 1: reports are surfacing that there is a trade that is
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  Speaker 1: somewhat imminent for the Jaguars of Unique and Gotkway Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've we've heard about this all off season,
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  Speaker 1: that Unique is franchise tagg He doesn't want to play
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  Speaker 1: for the Jags. He wants to be moved and not
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  Speaker 1: play here anymore. But this is the most definitive, at
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  Speaker 1: least reporting we've seen close to a deal so far. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like it's imminent that he is going to
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  Speaker 1: leave Jacksonville and was being floated out there maybe a
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  Speaker 1: second or third round pick and a player coming back.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say it would be a significant loss
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  Speaker 1: for the Jaguars obviously. He's a sack artist, approven sack
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: artist who is disruptive off the edge. He plays with
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a tremendous motor. But they already put some safeguards in place.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: We saw Josh Allen going into his second year, is
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: ready to play Caleb and Chase and was drafted in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the first round, so they're up with a younger, more
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: athletic set of bookends. They may not be fully polished
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and ready to go, but they certainly can get it
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: done with these young guys on the edges. John, They've
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: counted on those draft picks, as Bucky mentioned there, Josh
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Allen and Chason. Chason hasn't been on the practice field yet,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be. At least the word
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is that that hamstring issue is not too much of
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a big deal. But obviously this will be huge if
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the Jags move forward. It's a big piece of the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: organization the last few years around here. Well, it's huge,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and there's no way to say that it's going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: help you on the field this year because taking a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: got way out of the equation takes away not just
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the sack. And I'm on record I've said before, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: don't know that he's elite in terms of sack guy don't.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an elite in terms of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: defensive ends, in terms of completeness, but what he's exceptional
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: at is when he has a chance at the quarterback,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: making the play and getting the ball out. I don't
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: know that you replace that element. Uh, Chason would need
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to step up in a way that most edge rushers
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: in their first year dump Josh Allen was an exception
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: double digit sax that's rare. I wouldn't expect that out
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of Chason. I think the person that it really puts
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the onus on would be Smooth, meaning he's not really
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a pure sack guy Dwayne Smoot, but he's a guy
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: who with effort can give you a lot. I think
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: he would play a big role at the big end
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: over there. Um, those are the kind of things that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: would have to happen in terms of really having the rotation.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Defensive line is always rotational. The rotation would have to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: play big. The only good news is I think Josh
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Allen is ready to become a guy that is the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: equivalent of two players. He's that good in terms of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: his impact. He can his development this year into a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: year two elite guy, which I think he will be.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Could make up for the loss of a talent like
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: in god Way have a lot to put on Josh Allen.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But I think Josh Allen's that good. Look, he's a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: dominant player. UH ten and a half sacks right out
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the gate. Pro Bowl caliber player, and you could probably
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: say that he kind of kept Hall back a little
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: bit in terms of the leadership qualities. Well, now their
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: room is his, so he can fully be the guy
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that we saw at Kentucky coming off the edge sparking
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the interest. But on the inside, Taven, Brian and Tim
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Joern again they have to step up. They have to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: get someone on the inside that can give them an
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: inside presence. You can have one outside guy, but someone
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: on the inside has to be able to collapse the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: pocket collapse, the pockets stop the run. That's been the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: thing around here offseason. All that combined on the interior here,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go a little more in onto on
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the table Brian here, Bucky obviously a late first round
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: picked for this Jags team, at least so far, has
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: not had the statistical performances to to really ignite the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: fan base and get everybody fired up. But he's a big,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: strong guy who did it at the end of last season.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Start to come into his own a little bit, that's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: got to be a good sign for him moving ahead here. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: there has to be a good sign. Normally for most
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: young players, particularly they were drafted high. We say the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: third year is the critical year. That's when the light
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: bulbs should come on. So this is the big year
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that everyone is expecting Brian to be the player that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he was drafted to be. He's tough, he's physical, he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: very athletic for his size. He has a really good motor.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: He just hasn't been able to put it together consistently.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: This is the year that we have to see the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: consistency because if he plays at a consistent level, he
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: certainly can offset some of the disruption that will be
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: lost if you and Gokway is no longer part of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the team. John how big was the signing of Journeying.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I know that you know there's been so many changes
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: recently that's add him to the list of a new
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: face around here. But what are the Jaguars expect from
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Journegon on the interior this defensive line. I think it's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: more than we think it is right now. Well, he's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: got to be a run stuff for first and foremost,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: because that's what they lost and they lost Woods in Gunter.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: If journe again is the guy that has he has
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: been most of his career, especially pre injury, and I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: actually think they're okay a defensive tackle. Haven Bryant's got
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to play, maybe not to his absolute potential as a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: first round pick, but he's got to play between what
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that and what he's played. You still have Avery Jones,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you still have journe again, and you still have Davon
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Hamilton's who they like a nose tackle. The the issue
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: with losing the tackles is now all of these guys
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: have to max out. There's not a whole lot of depth.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: But journ again, I'll kind of leave this to Bucky.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: He watches more film of these guys than I do.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: My impressions. He can give you a little pass rush,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: but really he has got to help them stop the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: run because the whole thing with the pass rush, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: get that there's concerned about in go Kway not being there.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: They're probably him last year was never getting pass right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It was not being able to stop the run enough
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: for a lot of good pass rushing to do their
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: job effectively. So maybe Journegan can help them get to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that situation where Josh Allen and Jason can make plays. Yeah, John,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of it. Tim Joern
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: again when he was coming out of Florida State. Like
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: there were people that thought he was gonna be a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: five star playmaker. He had found his way a little
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: bit at the end of his tenure with the bottom
• 23:27
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• 23:30
  Speaker 1: not to say that the light really can come on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: for him. This is a perfect situation for him to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: go and be that what I call inside penetrating playmaker
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that also stops to run and gets to the quarterback.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: He suddenly has the talent to be able to do something.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: We'll see if the Jaguars can kind of, you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: right the ship here on the defensive line, a lot
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of moving parts over the last couple of weeks and
• 23:54
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• 23:59
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• 24:01
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  Speaker 1: be safe. I went back and I looked at my
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  Speaker 1: right up on him, and I was like, man, this
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  Speaker 1: guy can run every route in the book. You know
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  Speaker 1: he is a he is an accomplished route runner. And UM,
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't disappointed. Um he's um. Um, he showed him
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  Speaker 1: Ron Middleton, tight ends coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars fromer
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  Speaker 1: Robin Tiger has a Super Bowl ring with Washington as
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  Speaker 1: a tied end and now has been around this organization.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's on his fifth offensive coordinator. That's something else.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our j P Shadrick John Ozier
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: for the final segment, He's gonna jump out a little
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: early today. Bucky Brooks with us making his Jaguars dot
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• 27:27
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  Speaker 1: You know he was discussing Tyler Effort there and Bucky
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the route running ability of a guy who was a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: first round pick. So obviously he has some talent, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the injury bug has bit Effort throughout his career. Finally,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: last season, he plays a full season, stays healthy. When
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he's healthy and ready to roll. What can this guy
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: bring do a j Gruden offense. He's an outstanding steam stretcher.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guy that can take the top of the defense,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: split the two deep zone, and really create problems between
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the hashes. And because he's a big buddy guy that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: has some wide receiver like skills, I can envision Jay
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Gruden using him very much like he used a Jordan Reed. Remember,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Jordan Reed became an All Pro caliber, a Pro Bowl
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: caliber tight end under Jay Gruen because he were empty
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: formation out and played games with the deployment of the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: tight end Tyler. Iford is athletic enough to do some
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of those things, he could be a huge weapon for
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars offense. And John, I heard you this morning, Bucky.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know John scheduled, because John
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is on about six hundred and twenty five shows a week,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's here on Tintin XL radio, he is all
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: over the place. So I believe John, and correct me
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: if I'm mistaken. I heard you this morning on Jaguars
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Drive Time, on this website and on this app discussing
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Josh Oliver and that his loss, now a second year player,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: was banged up a lot last year. He has a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: broken bone in his foot. This loss could be even
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: more meaningful for the Jaguars than all the defensive line changes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Was that this morning, Was I right with them? I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think it was? And J P. Here's where I'm not
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: as good as Buck. Bucky does few shows for much money.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think any shows for little money. So tomorrow long
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Bucky's got to teach me his game, and he doesn't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: want to know my games. But Josh Oliver, I think
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is a huge loss. I wrote this morning for Jaguars
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: dot Com and in the quick thoughts that I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it could be as big a loss as either defensive tackles,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: simply because Josh Oliver is a guy that they believe
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is on the vert it's hard to say on the verge.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: He even on the field, they believe he's capable of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: being a breakout tight end, a versat tight end who
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: can block, who can get down the scene. They think
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: he had the potential this year to break out and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: be big time. With him being out, Tyler Eifford, if
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, is going to love being in Jacksonville because
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get every opportunity he's gonna get. Jay Gruden
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: knows just how to use him and from them and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: from what Middleton says, there will be no lining up
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: in the backfield and taking on blockers in goal line
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: for Tyler Eiffort. He will be a pass catching tight
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: end and if he's healthy, maybe the best one the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Jags have had in a long long time. Yeah, there's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: catching tight end. I absolutely agree. Um, the one thing
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that Jake Bruton typically does from a schematic standpoint, look
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: for a lot of empty formations to create mismatches if
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: they like the young wife receiver corps, which they should
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with DJ Chark and those guys. Going empty gives Tyler
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Efford opportunity to go one on one with linebackers and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: defensive backs, and that has advantaged There's been a history
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: around on here the last few years, Bucky of of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: not having a fullback on the roster, so lining up
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the tight end in the back and and doing that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: whole deal, but certainly not the ky. There is a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: fullback on the roster currently, so uh, that's a little
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: bit of a change for the offense, at least in
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: training camp so far. So let's uh, we've touched on
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: tight ends. Let's discuss this offensive line a bit, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you know it could be the same starting five to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: start this season that ended last year. Uh, Tony Basselli
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and Pete Prisco are with us on Monday nights, Bucky,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and we get a lot of insight from Basselli about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the offensive line position, especially at left tackle. Of course,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson is in his fourth year contract year. He's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: healthy coming into training camp for the first time in
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a long time. But there's also there might be a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: little competition there. Will Richardson Jr. Has moved over to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: left tackle. He played right tackle in college throughout his
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: entire career at NC State. But Cam Robinson seems to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be the guy, at least early in camp. That's fourth
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: year player, he's been around the league. What have you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: seen from Cam in the last few years. There's a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: lot of talk about footwork and things and and where
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: could that stand. I mean, robin center, Will Richardson could
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: be your left tackle this year. Yeah, it'd be interesting
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: because when I look at Cam Robinson, he is what
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: we would call the maller brawler type. His his best
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: traits are to lock on defensive ends and just kind
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of move them off the ball. He is not necessarily
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: what I would call the technician that you want to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: leave on the island down after down and pass protection.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And so when you're looking at Jake Gruden and what
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Jake Rudin wants to do, he has to make a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: decision based on Okay, here's my office in line. They
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: played really well going forward, but my quarterback likes to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: get the ball out quick. I think it leads us
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to think they're gonna run the ball where they're gonna
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: get the ball out quick, They're gonna try and get
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it to the hands of the playmakers and hope that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the quick rhythm of the passing game for text the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: offensive line from having a block extended periods against talented players. John,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it's interesting this this change for will Richardson. You know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: he started a couple of games earlier in the year
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: left tackle in place with Cam when he would had
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the other leg hurt earlier in the season, and Cam
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: came back in Week three, but moving over to left
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: tackle that they really praised Richardson's play and in last
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: year's work with this football team, John, Yeah, they did.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I still believe that Richardson's likely role this year. I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: think he'll wind up being the swing tackle and they
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: moved in there. Remember they lost a Bay heat, so
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: in the off season they were left if Cam starts
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and if Joan Taylor starts, which I would expect, they
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: were left with no experience behind those guys. Richardson allowed
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: them not to go out and have to go sign
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a swing tackle. So the good news is it was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a remarkably healthy offensive line last year. Now they've got
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a guy who they can plug in if there's injury.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Richardson is going to beat out
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a Cam Robinson. If Cam plays to his level. That's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: always been a big thing that he has a level
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that he hasn't reached yet. I don't know how to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: predict that he'll do that or not, because he's probably
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: better at that than I am. But I do think
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that Will Richardson could be the left tackle next year
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: because we don't know about camp situation at the end
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of this year. Yeah, Bucky, big year for Cam obviously,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about a contract here for a left tackle.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: If he comes out and plays well, whether it's here
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: or you know, next year, whether it's here or somewhere else,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna pay this guy a lot of money. That
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: left tackle money is is big on the open market,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: even for Cam Robinson. But this is a huge year
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for him to come out and play well. Obviously, Yes,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a huge year. And if he's motivated by money, you're
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: talking about playing well a sixteen million dollar annual pay
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: day that he could be looking at. I think the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: big thing for Cam Robinson is just understanding who he
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: is and how he plays and making sure that the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and the line coaches and everybody understand what
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: they have upfront. When I look at this offensive line,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: this offensive line still can move people off the ball.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: They still have the capacity to run the ball. Well,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: how committed will they be to the running game? That
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: could determine what we say about the office line when
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: it comes to their performance and production. The arrest for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the group. Of course, Andrew Norwell left guard veteran player
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in this league. Brandon Lender has has a second contract
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: with the Jags, a j Can veteran in the league
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: all with the Jaguars, and we mentioned Juwan Taylor and Bucky.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who had fifteen penalties last year.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I think that led the league in fact. But there
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: is still tremendous talent there obviously, just gotta work through
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: some of the hiccups as a young player and get
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: some things going right. But the future is for Jiwan
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Taylor on the right side, Yes, certainly is bright and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: what we have to understand we gotta train our minds.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Did not think about the right tackle being different than
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the left tackle. The right tackle now faces tough matchups
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: on the outside the killio Max Devon Miller's those guys
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: play on that side now, So you have to have
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the footwork to be able to do it. And so
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: when when Taylor has been plagued by penalties, it's because
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: his technique has been off. Some of that will be
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: corrected by being able to work on it. The other
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: part will be able to be corrected because he is
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: better acclimated to the pace in the rhythm of the game. John,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear from Juwan. I think he's on
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the schedule next week to speak with the media over
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a video conference on Microsoft Teams. His mindset has always
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: been great. He's super approachable, obviously, but he's got the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: mental capacity is certainly down to to be a really,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: really good player in this league for a long time. John,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned penalties, and I get they were concerned
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: for him last year, but it's king when you talk
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to Jaguars people about who the core of this team
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: going forward is. And I'll leave out the rookies because
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you don't know about guys coming in. It's chart, it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Alan and it's Juan Taylor. They feel like they've hit
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: on those guys. Two of them made the Pro Bowl
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: last year and they I've never talked to anybody within
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars who doesn't think that Joan Taylor has Pro
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Bowl ability. Every time Doug talked about him last year,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Jaguars a head coach, Doug Moron, you know, he would
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: talk about the penalties, but he would also say, look,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I can tell that this guy knows what he's doing.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: He's going to be very very good. Again. I don't
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: know how you find out if he's making that jump
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: until the season starts. But those three guys are everything
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you want in core players. And to me, those three,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: along with some other guys, those three are the future
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of the Jaguars. To me, Hey, Bucky, do you believe
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: in the whole cohesion with an offensive line thing that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you need some time together and that this group is
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: coming back from last year to this year? Is that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a real thing for you and for scouts that that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: look at this thing, we'll get back with that. Bucky,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: In just a moment, I lost, but I'm back down. Yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I lost your fore manute, but I'm bad. So look,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: when you talk about the core, I think here's what's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: apparent about the core for the Jacksonville Jaguars and turning
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: over newly for trying to re establish this culture. The
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: guys that you talk about are tough, hard working and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: competitive and you always want to take chances on those guys.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And so as Doug Marone and Dave carle Will are
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: rebuilding this team, they want to get like minded, blue
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: collar dudes who really embrace the team concept and want
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to do it the right way. It may not show
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: up immediately and the win lost column, but eventually they
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: will rebuild it, repaired, and they'll get back to where
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a few years ago. All right, John, I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: know you've got to run early today. What do you
• 39:05
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• 39:10
  Speaker 1: days in or I'm just trying to get through it,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and uh, it will be covering the video conferences and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: after the next six days, it will be a lot
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of what's going on on the field, what people are saying.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I was going on the field to me these next
• 39:24
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• 39:27
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• 39:29
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• 39:32
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• 39:37
  Speaker 1: The next few days are critical. And then that's not
• 39:39
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• 39:42
  Speaker 1: excited to see what happens in the next week or so.
• 39:44
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  Speaker 1: great to have you. John Osier a little earlier today.
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• 42:55
  Speaker 1: let's touch before we go around the league. I'm interested
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: in like a scouts perspective on all this college football news.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You know, the Big Ten, Impact twelve of postponed the season,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: SEC Big twelve and the a CEC are still scheduled,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: but now schools are starting to send kids away again,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and now Ohio States talking about putting their own schedule together.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: What in the world does that do, not only for
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a scouting staff trying to look at players, but players
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: who might have to decide to opt out and go
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to the draft and or or play the spring. That's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of decisions to be made, a lot
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of decisions to be made. Jp first for the players.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: The players that are most effected right now by the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: college situation will be not the top guys, but the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: guys they were developmental types. Just so we understand, the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: last three number one picks when they entered the season,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: they weren't viewed as first rounders, and so they worked
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: their way into the conversation not only as first rounders,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: but as guys they were at the top of the charts.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So we won't do that luxury this year. From a
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: scouting standpoint, it makes it very very difficult if you're
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a Dave cold Will and you have kind of stockpiled
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: these uh draft hicks so that you can rebuild your
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: team with these guys. Now there's more uncertainty about the
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: readiness of the players that will be in the one class.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So how hard do you go in on those guys
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: when you may not have been able to see them
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: play for twelve to eighteen months. It makes it very
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: very tricky for team builders when it comes to the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: one draft and how do you build your team with
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: those guys in mind? Nick Saban the other day, head
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: coach at Alabama, you might have heard of him. Uh,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: he said that if these conferences moved to a one
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: spring season, that it could be a j V field.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Juniors and seniors might say, you know what's Sionara, I'm
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: not playing two seasons. I'm getting out of here. Uh.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: That's gotta be tough to play a spring schedule. I mean,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: especially if players are sticking around and having to se
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: sasons in one calendar year. That's a huge ask. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: mean it's a huge ask, but I think it can
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: certainly be done. Now the key will be can college
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: coaches find a way to come up with practice schedules
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that take care of the players. But if you have
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: seen the change that has happened in the National Football
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: League when it comes to practice, you don't see as
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: many padded practices. You don't see a lot of live tackling.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's more about the sports science and getting your guys
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: ready to play. If you took that approach with college,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you certainly can do it. It would take some alterations
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: when it came to the schedule. When does this springe
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: schedule start? When does it in? More importantly, when does
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the fall portion of the schedule start? And when does
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it in. It is not ideal, but it certainly is doable.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Something to watch for sure. And I think we're well
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: over a month until the SEC is scheduled to begin.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: They just put out the schedule the other day, so
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a little time. And as we know these days, a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: lot can happen in a short amount of time, not
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: only in sports, but around just life in general. Let's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: go around the National Football League, shall we, and start
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: off with Joe Judge of the New York Giants making
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: players run in response to mistakes at practice. Kim Jones
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: was on the Zoom Call and Judge this week and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: tweeted about the the situation there, and you responded as
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: well on Twitter that you know it's uh, you know this.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Here's the tweet right here, being tough while coaching players. Um,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna sing Kumbaya together and think we're going
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to advance. Well, you've responded to this that he better
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: be real about this or they're gonna stiff it out
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: pretty quick. Yeah. I mean, look, I played for one
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of the toughest coaches that you can find in Coach Coffin,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and I think the thing that you have to be
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: mindful of is when you take this approach, you have
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to get real investment from the players, and that investment
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: comes from the results. Players will tolerate and deal and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: handle the demanding nature of your coaching style if it
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: leads to results. However, if you're the meeting players and
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: you don't get the results, your players will bail quickly.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: So Joe Judge just needs to make sure that he
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is being himself, that this isn't an act. He's not
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: trying to imitate Bill Belichick, but these are his core
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: values and the things that he believes in in terms
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of what helps a team win games. I would like
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to think that when you played for Tom Coughlin that
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it was not an act. It was that accurate. Uh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: It definitely was not an act, and it was challenging
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of growing accustomed to it. But the results
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: were what The results were won a lot of games
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: during that period. But it is hard to sustain it
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: if the connectivity is not right between the coaching staff
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and the players. I'm not saying you have to be friendly,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: but there has to be some communication and some effective relationships.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Let's continue, we go out to the desert DeAndre Hopkins
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and camp for the Cardinals, but he's not participating in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: padded practices. You know. On Pro Football Talk today, Mike
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Florio brought up the idea that this might be a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: situation where he's kind of holding off to the side
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: until a deal gets done. Do you think that's the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: case and does he get a number close to Julio
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Jones if he gets the news. I mean, I know
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: he would like to get a deal. I know there
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: was a point of contention while he was in Houston,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but man, I don't know if you can fork over
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that kind of money. Um, right now, you haven't even
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: seen him in your system. Uh, the Julio Jones money
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: is extraordinary. I just don't know. Look, DeAndre Hopkins is
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: certainly in that conversation. Man. To give a wide receiver
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that much money, I don't know, but I certainly understand
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it because you want to put it around. You want
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to put in a level player around, calla Murray. So
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I expect the Cardinals to evinceently pony up when they
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: have to. It's gonna say. I mean, he is one
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: of if you your name and receivers right now, he's
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: in two three right here. Yeah, Michael Thomas, m Julio Jones,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: whatever flavor ice cream you like, that's who you're going
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to go with. Man, big money, big money. You have
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to call up in the desert to keep him. Start
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: running some sprints here soon. Um, let's move to New England,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: where Cam Newton, Brian Hoyer, and Jared Steadham are reportedly
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: splitting reps at Patriots camp. Belichick is not named the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: starter publicly, yet this has to be Cam's gig, right,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: that's not. They didn't bring him there for nothing. I mean,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I would think so Cam is far more talented than
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: either candidate. We've seen Brian whore you play. It doesn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: necessarily excite you. Jared Stidham was a fourth round pick.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: We don't know what it can be, but I will
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: say this Cam was a number one pick. He was
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: an m v P. Unless he just absolutely stinks up
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the joint, I would expect him to be the starting
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: quarterback for the Patriots. Are you concerned about his health
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: at all? Yes, that's what you have to be concerned
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: about it because the last two seasons we've seen him
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: go out. However, if he he's healthy, he gives the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: pages an opportunity to do some stuff that they haven't
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: been able to do for years. And with Bill Belichick
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: seeing Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, these mobile playmakers
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: have his success, I'm sure he's tempted to put in
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: some packages for Cam Newton to allow him to create
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the kind of headaches for others. Yeah, he can certainly
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: create headaches. There's no doubt about that. Then. Our final
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: thought today around the National Football League, Drew Pearson and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Tom Flores selected as finalist for the Hall of Fame
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Class of one. Pearson selected as the senior finalist for
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: as the senior finalists from the coaching ranks. Pierson of
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: course at three time All Pro and All Decade team
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: member in the nineteen sevent eighties Super Bowl twelve champion
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys, UM. And then of course Flora
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: has played quarterback for the Raiders in nineteen sixty he
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: was their first quarterback and ended up coaching them the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: second winning is coaching Raiders history behind John Madden. Congratulations
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to those guys, Um. You know, you know, obviously Pearson
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: had a great career, but for me, the standout moment,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and at least, you know, I'm a little younger, was
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: his troll job on the Philly fans at the draft
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that year from the stage that was incredible. I mean,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: does go Jackie worthy in itself, the way that he
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: trolled them at their draft party. Yes, he deserves to
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: be in the consideration and in the Hall, and I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: think this is great that he's finally made it past
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the barrier. He's one step closer to getting in. And
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: then Tom Flory's certainly deserves to be in the Hall
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: of Fame. You talk about his record, his second highest
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: playoff winning percentage behind Vince Lombardi. Nobody talks about that.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: You think about a two time super Bowl winner with
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of winner for centage, you would like to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: think that he gets in. All right. There'll be eighteen
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: finalists on Super Bowl weekend, including Pierson Flores a senior
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: contributor to be named a little bit later, and then
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: fifteen modern era finalists. Let's see if we get Basselli
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in there this year to the vote needed. As we
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: all know by now, Um, Hey, what do you think, Bucky?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: First show? First show man? I loved it. I'm so excited.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I promise I'll be better next time. I have a
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: little more chemistry and flow. But I loved it. It
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: was great, all right, first time out. We've got a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: lot of these to go and we look forward to
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: them all. We appreciate your time as always there thanks
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to John Oser, our entire crew for putting these together.
• 52:22
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• 52:24
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