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285. True Redemption: Ironman World Champion Lucy Charles-Barclay On the Power of Perseverance & Impact of Positive Self-Talk · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 2: to episode two hundred and eighty five of Hurdle, a
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  Speaker 2: everything up from their highest highes and toughest moments to
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  Speaker 2: essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier, more
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  Speaker 2: motivated life. We all go through our fair share of hurdles.
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  Speaker 2: My goal through these discussions is to empower you to
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  Speaker 2: better navigate yours and move with intention so that you
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  Speaker 2: We are in a new groove. The new year is
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  Speaker 2: bringing you for episode two hundred and eighty five today,
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  Speaker 2: my conversation with the one and only Lucy Charles Barclay.
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  Speaker 2: She's a red bull athlete as well as the iron
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  Speaker 2: Man World Champion and course record holder. Let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you I became really interested in triathlon, I would say
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  Speaker 2: at two different points in my life thus far. The
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  Speaker 2: first time was I want to say maybe about seven
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  Speaker 2: or eight years ago, because of an injury. I leaned
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  Speaker 2: heavily into cross training and found a lot of solace
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  Speaker 2: doing a bunch of different modalities including swim, bike and run,
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  Speaker 2: and realized how great it was for my body, which
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  Speaker 2: led me to my first and only to date triathlon
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  Speaker 2: and Olympic disc since here in New York City. And
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  Speaker 2: the second moment that I became really fascinated with triathlom
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  Speaker 2: was when I had the opportunity to go to the
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  Speaker 2: Ironman World Championships in Kona. I was in absolute disbelief
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  Speaker 2: watching with my own two eyes, seeing what these athletes
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  Speaker 2: are capable of, not only the athleticism that it is
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  Speaker 2: required to complete a two point four mile swim followed
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  Speaker 2: by one hundred and twelve mile pike ride followed by
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  Speaker 2: a full marathon, but then also to do it in
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  Speaker 2: the Hawaiian heat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That was about seven years.
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  Speaker 2: Ago when I had that opportunity, and I have been
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  Speaker 2: closely following Lucy ever since. Lucy came in as the
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  Speaker 2: runner up in the Kona Ironman World Championships not once,
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  Speaker 2: not twice, not three times, but four consecutive times, and
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  Speaker 2: finally showed up, persevered and took home the title last year.
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  Speaker 3: In let me note this as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Ironman's first split race where just the woman raced.
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  Speaker 2: On this particular day, Lucy and I talk about the
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  Speaker 2: tenacity that required, how she kept showing up when she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't getting the result that she wanted, and how she
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  Speaker 2: feels about woman finally getting the media coverage in sport
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  Speaker 2: that they deserve. We also chat about a myriad of
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  Speaker 2: injuries that Lucy has endured and how she feels as
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  Speaker 2: though being down and out has actually made her a
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  Speaker 2: better athlete and an all around better human. Amped on
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  Speaker 2: this combo, I think it's going to be one that
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  Speaker 2: you really enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: the show notes. With that, let's get to it, let's
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  Speaker 2: get it's a hurdling. Today, I am sitting down with
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  Speaker 2: Lucy Charles Barclay. She is an Ironman World champion and
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  Speaker 2: course record holder.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing very well, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I can still not quite get used to
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  Speaker 1: that title, but yeah, I'm pretty glad I can hear
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  Speaker 1: it from time to time because it's still sinking in.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, I can't even imagine it's been
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  Speaker 2: such a long time coming. Now, for those that are
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  Speaker 2: unfamiliar with your story, you were a four time runner up.
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  Speaker 2: How does it feel when I say that sentence to you?
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be hard to take if I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the win now, I think or it would
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  Speaker 1: be worse if it was, say, five times runner up,
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  Speaker 1: because it felt like that was all I was ever
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  Speaker 1: going to get. So actually, now to have the win,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it makes it an even cooler story
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  Speaker 1: to have been so close four.
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  Speaker 4: Times and then to finally do it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it feels pretty special hearing it and then
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  Speaker 1: knowing that I did win it finally.
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  Speaker 2: For so many if they were in a similar position,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there might get a point or get
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  Speaker 2: to be a point after four times over that you'd
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  Speaker 2: wonder if it's about time to throw in the towel.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to me about your sentiments on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never one to give up or I've never
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  Speaker 1: found it easy to give up on anything in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And I've had a really rocky road over the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years since winning my seventy point three or
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  Speaker 1: the half Fire Manual title in twenty twenty one, I've
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  Speaker 1: had a hip stress factor and I also had a
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  Speaker 1: broken foot this year. So actually to throwing the two
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  Speaker 1: big injuries and the four second place finishes, it's really
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  Speaker 1: been a hell of a roller coaster journey to get
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  Speaker 1: to the point of winning this race. But I think
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  Speaker 1: since I first stepped foot in Hawaii for the Immoral
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  Speaker 1: Championships in twenty fifteen when I was just an amateur athlete,
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  Speaker 1: the race has always been so special to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why it's kept me coming back, and
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  Speaker 1: because I've always felt like I've been so so close
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  Speaker 1: to get in the win, I think that again just
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  Speaker 1: kept me coming back and thinking I just have to
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  Speaker 1: do this.
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  Speaker 2: I just have to do this and let it be
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  Speaker 2: known that you only raised your first iron Man in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: So even saying something like.
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  Speaker 2: So in twenty fifteen when I was at the World Championships,
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  Speaker 2: your rise to success in this sport has been really
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  Speaker 2: astounding to watch. Was this something that you expected considering
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  Speaker 2: your history as a swimmer.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's definitely not what I expected coming into the sport.
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  Speaker 1: And initially I came into the sport because I'd really
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  Speaker 1: fallen out of love with swimming. It had been it's
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  Speaker 1: a really really relentless sport, and from doing it from
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  Speaker 1: about eight years old every morning, being up at five am,
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  Speaker 1: going to school, then going back to swimming and doing
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  Speaker 1: that right and until I was around nineteen, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of it really took its toll on me. And so
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  Speaker 1: when I started doing trifle and it was just about
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  Speaker 1: having fun and doing something different, and half of me
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  Speaker 1: actually hoped that I would just be rubbish at it
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  Speaker 1: so it could just be fun. But I quickly learned
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  Speaker 1: that I could potentially be quite good at it, and
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  Speaker 1: then it was about seeing how far I could get
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  Speaker 1: in this new sport. But the fundamental thing was trying
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  Speaker 1: to keep it as fun as possible, because I definitely
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  Speaker 1: lost that in my swimming days.
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  Speaker 2: What a testament to your personality. As you said that,
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  Speaker 2: I was just kind of giggling over here, you saying
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping that I was bad at it so
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  Speaker 2: it could just be fun. And the thing is is
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  Speaker 2: that even if you are good at it, it could
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  Speaker 2: just be fun, but you are.
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  Speaker 3: Incapable of allowing it just to be that.
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  Speaker 2: Knowing that from the get go you were excelling in
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  Speaker 2: this sport, did you think that you would take it
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  Speaker 2: to this level or was it kind of like putting
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  Speaker 2: it into practice?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I done pretty well as an amateur, and
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  Speaker 1: then I guess I'd won the Iman World Championships as
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  Speaker 1: an amateur, and I'd also won the half Iman World
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  Speaker 1: Championships as an amateur, and then I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really feel like there's anything left to do
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  Speaker 1: as an amateur athlete, and I don't think there's anything
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  Speaker 1: left that actually would inspire or motivate me enough to
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  Speaker 1: train hard. So the natural step was to try and
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  Speaker 1: go professional in the sport, and after some back and
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  Speaker 1: forth with British Trafton, I was finally granted my license,
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  Speaker 1: but on more of a trial basis, So that first
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  Speaker 1: year that I raced pro it was kind of to
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  Speaker 1: prove that I deserve to have the license. And unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: that first year I actually ended up with a stress
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  Speaker 1: factor in my tibio, which was pretty bad, but I
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  Speaker 1: pretty much raced through it because I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: need to prove I deserve to have this license.
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  Speaker 4: I deserve to be here.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't get off to the best start as
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  Speaker 1: a professional, and part of me thought or maybe I'll
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  Speaker 1: just scrape top tens, or maybe I won't ever make
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  Speaker 1: the podium, and then quite quickly I had some success,
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  Speaker 1: and I would say twenty seventeen was my real breakthrough
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  Speaker 1: year as a professional when I eventually went on to
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  Speaker 1: qualify for Kona and then come second for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: So everything did happen quite fast, and then I guess
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  Speaker 1: I felt like, Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I could actually have a career in this sport.
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  Speaker 2: For those that are unaware, how does that work? It's
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  Speaker 2: so interesting to me. I get my license on a
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  Speaker 2: trial basis.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that so there's a criteria that is set.
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  Speaker 1: I guess every single country would have a slightly different criteria,
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  Speaker 1: but our one was that you had to be within
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  Speaker 1: a certain percentage of the professional winner in the race
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  Speaker 1: that you were using, kind of submitting your evidence to
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  Speaker 1: be a pro. And unfortunately both of the races that
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  Speaker 1: I was submitting was Daniella Reef was the winner in
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  Speaker 1: both of those and she was far and above the
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  Speaker 1: best athlete at the time and still is definitely one
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  Speaker 1: of the best athletes in their sport. And so I
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  Speaker 1: picked two really difficult races to submit as my kind
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  Speaker 1: of entry to being a professional, and unfortunately I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: quite within that criteria. So they said, well, we'll kind
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  Speaker 1: of just give it to you on a trial because
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  Speaker 1: you haven't quite met the criteria that we're setting. So
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  Speaker 1: thankfully I was granted it and could go and prove
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  Speaker 1: that I deserve to be a professional. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it is an incredibly hard standard that is set in
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  Speaker 1: this country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really remarkable to think about all of the
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  Speaker 2: different effort that goes into training for this sport, specifically
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  Speaker 2: because of the three different modalities for those that are
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  Speaker 2: as we're giving some foundations here, unaware of the distances
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  Speaker 2: within a full iron man lay it down for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you start with a two point four mile
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  Speaker 1: swim or three point eight kilometers. Then you jump straight
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  Speaker 1: on your bike and ride one hundred and twelve miles
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  Speaker 1: or one hundred and eighty kilometers, and then you finish
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  Speaker 1: off with a full marathon run, so forty two point
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  Speaker 1: two kilometers or twenty six point two miles. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And out of the three of those modalities, you would
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  Speaker 2: say which one is your strongest and which one is
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  Speaker 2: your weakest.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely the swim is my strongest. It's where my
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  Speaker 1: background is and I've done it since I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: And then I would say my weakest is the run.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the main thing is I've just been
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  Speaker 1: held back so much about my career within is that
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to take it really to where
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  Speaker 1: I feel my potential is. If I could stay healthy,
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  Speaker 1: then I think I would be very strong on the run.
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  Speaker 1: That my bike has always been quite strong, just from
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  Speaker 1: the engine that I've had from swimming.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hold in a little bit on the concept of injury.
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  Speaker 2: You said that it has really plagued you over your
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  Speaker 2: career thus far. I know that throughout your different injuries
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  Speaker 2: you have had to make many modifications to still show
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  Speaker 2: up and train despite the complications. Talk to me a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about what that has looked like in practice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I guess over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: having a hip stress fracture and then breaking my foot
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  Speaker 1: this year, we've really tried to be creative with the training.
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  Speaker 1: And I say we, the main person that's being super
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  Speaker 1: creative is my husband, who plays a role as my
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  Speaker 1: coach alongside my other coach, Dan Murrang.
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  Speaker 4: So between the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: We've been very creative and coming up with ways that
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  Speaker 1: I can train that isn't going to pack the injury
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  Speaker 1: or it's still going to allow the injury to heal,
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  Speaker 1: but it's going to allow me to either maintain my
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  Speaker 1: fitness or in this year's case, we were trying to
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  Speaker 1: really actually progress my fitness despite having an injury. So
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  Speaker 1: although I'd be in a moon boot for example, this
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  Speaker 1: year with a broken foot, I was able to go
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  Speaker 1: on a rowing machine and do lots of different things
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  Speaker 1: that didn't use my foot, for example going out cycling
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  Speaker 1: with like a flat pedal with the boot on and
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  Speaker 1: then using the other leg clipped into the other pedals.
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  Speaker 1: So I must have looked like a crazy woman. At
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  Speaker 1: times doing some of the things I was doing. But
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  Speaker 1: I actually do believe I was still getting fitter despite
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  Speaker 1: having the injury. So between the three of us in
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  Speaker 1: our team, we've definitely got very creative and become pretty
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  Speaker 1: good at navigating injuries and allow me to still get
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  Speaker 1: fitter despite having a setback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there's just a certain amount of
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  Speaker 2: surrender that has to come hand in hand with that, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like when things look different than how you'd hope they'd look,
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  Speaker 2: you have to get beyond the point of frustration and
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  Speaker 2: really get to acceptance so that you can progress.
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  Speaker 3: Is that something that you can relate with absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I always allow myself a day or
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  Speaker 1: two to be upset and frustrated by the injury, and
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  Speaker 1: then I always tell myself, actually, well, I'm not getting
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  Speaker 1: anywhere by being in this state. I need to look
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  Speaker 1: past this and say, right, okay, let's write a list
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  Speaker 1: of what I can do.
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  Speaker 4: Rather than what I can't do.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's been really really important in staying
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  Speaker 1: positive and allow me to keep pushing forward despite having
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  Speaker 1: these injuries that anyone could just want to just sit
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  Speaker 1: on a sofa and cry for months, but actually it's
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  Speaker 1: about trying to crack on as best you can and
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  Speaker 1: see where you are at the end of it.
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  Speaker 2: I love that visual of you riding the bike with
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  Speaker 2: a flat pedal. I'm curious, was there a certain time
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  Speaker 2: period or a certain incident where you learned the importance
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  Speaker 2: of adopting this mindset? So, if I rephrase that, was
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  Speaker 2: there a certain moment that you felt like you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: have this mindset that taught you the importance of the reframe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think, to be honest, throughout my whole life,
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  Speaker 1: I've never been someone who's good at giving up or
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  Speaker 1: even really accepting when things don't go to plans. So
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  Speaker 1: even when I've had these injuries, I guess I've almost
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  Speaker 1: not been in denial, but I've been like, I'm not injured. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's things I definitely cannot do because they're going to
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  Speaker 1: make the injury worse. But it's about focusing on what
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  Speaker 1: you can do and just pretending that you're not injured.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess the really good thing about triathlon is
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  Speaker 1: it's almost being a professional at cross training. We have
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  Speaker 1: to do free sports anyway, so why is it different
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  Speaker 1: to add in a cross trainer or a mountain bike
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  Speaker 1: or a rowing machine, like, it doesn't really matter as
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  Speaker 1: long as you're doing something that's going to make you
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  Speaker 1: stronger or make you fitter.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter what that is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, when you get closer to a race, it probably
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  Speaker 1: has to look more specific, but in that timeframe where
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  Speaker 1: you are really injured, I don't think it matters too
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  Speaker 1: much what you're doing as long as you're doing something
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  Speaker 1: that's not going to make the injury worse and it's
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  Speaker 1: going to allow you to keep getting fitter or just
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  Speaker 1: maintain the fitness that you've got.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much grace that has to come hand
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  Speaker 2: in hand with that, like finding that level of self
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  Speaker 2: compassion where you understand, like I still have value even
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  Speaker 2: though things look different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And I think that's something that is quite
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  Speaker 1: hard as an athlete because it's very difficult to not
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  Speaker 1: have your self worth intertwined with your performance or athletic ability.
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  Speaker 1: It's really about trying to separate the two and know
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  Speaker 1: that actually, even though I might not be performing at
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  Speaker 1: the highest level at this moment in time, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean that my self worth is lower. And that's something
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely learned over the last couple of years as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Now for those that do have a problem getting to
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  Speaker 2: this place that you have found, this place of acceptance
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to allowing for the things that they
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  Speaker 2: cannot change, what advice.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have to them during these tough hurdle moments.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really important to Obviously, many times when
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  Speaker 1: I've been injured, I've had to kind of cancel the
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  Speaker 1: goals that I've had because they've become unrealistic or you
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  Speaker 1: just haven't got enough time to do them. And that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the most difficult parts of all of the
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  Speaker 1: things with an injury, I think, is accepting that, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: those things that you've been working towards aren't going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So it's quite important to maybe set yourself a new
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  Speaker 1: goal that's far enough out, but it still gives you
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  Speaker 1: something that you want to try and achieve. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't got that, it can be really difficult. So trying
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  Speaker 1: to set a realistic timeline of when you want to
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  Speaker 1: be back doing X, Y and Z, and then really
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  Speaker 1: just going step by step with it, and also not
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  Speaker 1: really looking too much into your heart rate and numbers
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  Speaker 1: and power meters and things like that. I think that
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  Speaker 1: can be really difficult if you're looking too much into that,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're injured. You're never going to hit the
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: numbers you could when you were healthy, so you shouldn't
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: compare yourself to those ones.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: That's really great advice, and it's really applicable beyond sport. Clearly,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: there are so many moments where you're working on something
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: and you realize that maybe you're not going to make
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: that first self imposed deadline, and having the grace to
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: be like, you know what, like, Okay, maybe this isn't
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the thing, but I have the opportunity to pivot. Having
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the grace to allow yourself to make that pivot that
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: is a skill and something that I've definitely had to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: work on over the last handful of years.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just really important, Like you said,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: just give yourself grace and accept that it's going to
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: take time. But if you do everything properly and obviously
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: listen to any expert advice so you're getting you will
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: get there, and you'll be back to the person that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you were before the injury and maybe better if you
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: do everythink right.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I like what you said also about the benefit of
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: having these three different modalities as a part of your sport,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and knowing that cross training is something that is ingrained
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in your foundation. Talk to me a little bit about
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: what training looks like for you when you're gearing up
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: during the season.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd guess like the heaviest weeks of training that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I would do, So, say leading into ConA this year,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I had a six week block where I was doing
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: probably the heaviest training that I would do, and that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: would look like thirty plus hours a week, sometimes getting
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: near to forty hours of training a week, So it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: pretty extreme, and obviously trying to spread that as best
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: as possible across the free disciplines, and knowing that I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: have a strong background in swimming, so I can actually use.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That to my advantage.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Rather than doing less of it, I can actually do
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: more and know that I'm not going to get injured
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: from that sport is probably the least risk of injury
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that one, So that's the one that I would really
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: really push, and I tried to swim every single morning
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: when I was leading into my ConA prep. And then
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: really again, the bike is such a big chunk of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the race, so that's also a large chunk of my training,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and then the run is where I'm most likely to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: get injured, so that's where I'm usually most cautious on
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the volume that I'm doing and just making sure that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: week on week I'm only progressing that are really small
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: amount to try and limit the risk of injury.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So then paint a picture for us on what a
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: day or like a few days of training might look
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like from a block perspective.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like one of the biggest days would
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: be I'd be up at like five am. I'd drive
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: over to the London Aquatic Center, which is a fifty
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: meter ple swim five to six kilometers. I think most
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of the time I was doing six kilometers every morning,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: drive back home, have a pretty big breakfast because you've
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: already earned a lot of calories doing that. Then I'd
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: head over to my in law's house where we have
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: our train in pain Cave, and I would do three
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to four hours on the indoor trainer there, and then
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: usually I would do a brick run, which basically means
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you get straight off the bike and straight onto the run,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and that would be up to an hour of running.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty intense and actually being on top of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: your calories when you're training that much is quite hard.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It just means literally snacking and eating all day long
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to try and keep on top of that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that that specifically, the maintaining enough
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: calories is something that took some time to find the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: sweet spot for you.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, and also trying different brands of nutrition and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: really finding the one that works, because a big part
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of training for a race is actually training your gut
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to tolerate the amount of carbohydrates needed. So that's also
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: been a big part of the training that I've done.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you referenced your in law's house
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the training pain cave.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: What's in the pain cave?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So, actually the pain cave obviously, it's at my inlaws
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: house and my father in law used to be a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: professional boxer, so it's got a big boxing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Ring in the middle.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And it used to be really really old school, like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: lots of old gym equipment in there, and over the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: years my husband and I have really taken over kind
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of got more high.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Tech equipment in there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: We have an endless pool in there, we have treadmills,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: we have the Wahoo kickers with our bikes on. We've
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: still kept the boxing ring, there's no negotiation and getting
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: rid of that, but we can use that for doing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: different cour stability and weight training anyway. And then we've
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: got various other pieces of weight equipment in there, so
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it's pretty much become, I would say, like a really
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: high performance trafl On gym just in their gardens. So yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it's pretty good.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's not every day you get to walk into
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: someone's home and you see something like that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: There's two things that I want to double click on.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: The first thing is you were talking about just how
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: much activity can go into a single day. Would you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: say that overtraining is a frequent issue within triathletes?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Definitely.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I think I learned that really early on into my
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: traffl On career that I guess, we're swimming more was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: generally better because you could tolerate a lot as a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: swimmer without getting injured. But there's still would be overtrained
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in syndrome in swimming. But I think I kind of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: applied how I trained for swimming to travel on to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: begin with, and just would do more, more and more,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and then I would get injured. So it actually is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: such a sweet spot with trafl and like doing the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: right amount, but doing the right amount of recovery, and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: actually recovery is like the fourth discipline of trafflon. You
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: really do have to focus on that and take the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: time to refuel, go and see your physio, take the downtime,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: do the phone roll in, do the stretching, like you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: have to do everything right, do the mobility in the morning,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like it really is relentless, but you have to get
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that balance right. But I think that's when it's so
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: important to have someone that's overseeing your program, or a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: coach or an expert that's helping you, because it's a lot.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's a lot as a sport to really balance the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: three disciplines and your recovery and your nutrition.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: It is tough. It's funny that this is coming to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: mind for me right now.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But today on the show, I released an episode about
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: things that I've learned in seven years of self employment.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I've been my own boss now for seven years, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: during that time, one of the lessons is that just
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: because you have the capacity to do something doesn't mean
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that it needs to be done in this moment. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: so I would liken that to what you deal with
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: likely on the regular. There are so many different things
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: that you could be training. You could be in the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: pain gave, you could be out for a brick, you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: could be swimming, And sometimes the discipline to take that
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: time away is the thing that actually needs to be exercised.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And actually becoming more in tune with your body and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: listening to your body has become so important over the years,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and like you said, you could get so tempted into thinking, oh,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I need to go and do an extra run, or
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I need to go and do this, and I think
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: because of social media, we get so guilty of that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: because all you ever see is your competitors training will oh,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: maybe I need to get an extra session in on them,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: when actually, in reality, you'd probably just be better resting
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and then you'll be better in the next session than
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: just being more tired. So I think it's about quality
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: over quantity, definitely.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And this circles back to our discussion on injury, right
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: because when you're not training how you'd like to be training,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I would imagine that, especially then it's like what modified
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: modality can I be doing right now? Because I'm not
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: doing things how I'm quote unquote supposed to be doing them.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that can be really, really difficult. And that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: again when it becomes so important to have someone that's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: setting you that plan and really sticking to it. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think that's probably the most important time to stick to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the plan that's on paper, rather than trying to do
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit more because you feel like you're not
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: quite doing enough.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You mentioned your husband rees also your training partner.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: What's that like.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: What's it like to be spending so much time with
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: your actual partner who is now your training partner.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we have a really good balance. I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: there's definitely time. So it's tough because we're in a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: high pressure sport and things can boil up, and with
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: injuries and the highs and lows, it's definitely difficult. But
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we met as swimmers, so we were already in that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: kind of environment, and I guess naturally RE navigated into
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that kind of coaching roll very early on.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: And I always listened to him and trusted his advice.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And I think for us as husband and wife, we
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: almost have to put our different caps on throughout the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: day and be like, Okay, this is me talking to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you as athlete and coach, and then this is us
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: talking as husband and wife. So it can be hard,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: but I think we've we've been together long enough to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: know how to get through difficult situations.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: How do you make the transition between those caps if
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: there's something going on in either camp, So maybe you're
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: having a disagreement about something that you would execute as
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: husband and wife. It could be as silly as like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: going one place for the holidays, or there's something within
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: your training that you two disagree on. How do you
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: put those things aside when you're together? So frequently, I think.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: We were very good at debating things. I think from
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the outside it might look like we're having a feated argument.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: We're just navigating that situation, And actually I wouldn't say
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: we've ever argued to the point where we haven't spoken
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: for more than a few hours. It's always been okay,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: let's find let's move on from it. So I think
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it's healthy to debate things, And definitely in sport, I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: need to know why I'm doing something, so sometimes I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: need that explain to me. But then other times I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: don't need an extra explanation of why I'm doing it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to get on with it. So again,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I guess my husband has to read my mood very well.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: He's very good at doing that, and he's very good
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: at also adapting my training. When he can see I'm
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: too tired or I'm going really well, he'll adapt it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: on the go and then he'll then kind of communicate
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that to my coach Dan, who's writing the actual plan.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So it's very much a team effort. And I guess
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I trust Reese one hundred percent. He's completely in my corner,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: so whatever he says usually goes unleess it's something to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: do with housework, then we'll definitely argue about it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate your sentiments around why I need to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: know why I'm doing something. I think oftentimes when it
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: comes to movement, that is something that can be lost,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: especially in the days of just following random workouts or
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: opening up a peloton up and being like today I'm
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: going to do my arms right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Oftentimes we just don't have a why.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: For someone that sees all that you're doing on social
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: as you gear up for your sport and says like
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I want to train like you, what do you tell them?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, often i'd say I wouldn't go straight in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: with what I'm doing. Definitely think much. But it's always
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: nice to hear that people are inspired by what I'm doing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But then I guess you have to really make that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: relative to yourself and your own goals. Not many people
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: come into travel on and straight away want to do
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: an iman, And although it was the first travel when
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I entered, I worked my way up from a sprint Olympic.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I actually skipped the half I man because I didn't
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: want to know how hard that was before doing the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: four I man. But I think it's just about toning
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it down to yourself and really working your way up gradually.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It's the best way of doing anything, so and have
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: fun with it. That was definitely why I came into triathlon.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Get your friends involved, make them all trained with you,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: go more swimming for the first time with other people,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: make it more enjoyable, kind of face your fears, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: in the most fun way possible.
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  Speaker 2: time during any given day. How does that impact your
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  Speaker 2: personal life? Is training an opportunity for you to spend
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  Speaker 2: time with your people as well?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely really tough.
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  Speaker 1: Like i spend a lot of time abroad training, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm away from family, away from friends, and often feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm missing out on their lives, not being able
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of it. And then I really
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  Speaker 1: when I'm not training or when I'm not racing, like
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  Speaker 1: during this time of the year where I'm having a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: bit more downtime, I really make sure to try and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: give back to them. I think when I'm training for
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: lo on, like sometimes I'll say to my mom and dad, Hey,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: do you want to come on the bike next to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: me whilst I'm running so we can spend some time together,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and they're really up for doing that, and they're so supportive,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: so it's really really nice. But it definitely is tough
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: having to miss out on a lot of things. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: luckily we have an amazing supportive friendship group, we have
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: an amazing family that supports us. But it's still really
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: tough because you just feel guilty a lot of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: time that you're having to say no to things and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: really miss out on things that are going on.
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  Speaker 3: do to give back to yourself?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, definitely, my best way of escaping from any
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: pressure situations or just when t OUTLM gets too much
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is going walking with my two dogs. I think they're
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: definitely the best thing that I got to take my
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: mind off of Traflon.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm really lucky.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I live near a huge forest, so I just go
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and walk in there for as long as possible. Maybe
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'll whack on a podcast that has nothing to do
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: with Traflon so that I can listen to something different
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  Speaker 1: and just take my mind away from the stresses of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: travel on life. But I mean, there's worse things going
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: on in the world, So it's not often that I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: get into that situation, but it's nice to have a
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  Speaker 1: means of escape when I need it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially because your sport, you're working, you're enduring for
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: such a long period of time. Right to be doing
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: any activity for more than eight hours, you really have
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to get in that right frame of mind. You said
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: walking through the forest. How else do you take care
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of your mindset?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I often do a lot of positive self talk.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's really important and you need to be
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: good at that when you're racing for over eight hours. Like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: there's definitely times in the race where your mind wandered
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: and you start to think negative. For so maybe you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: think I can't do this or I can't sustain this,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And then actually I feel like I trained that at home.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I train that positive self talk to tell yourself you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: can keep doing this. Think of the harder things you've
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: endured before this and managed to get through them. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: usually before a big race, I will write down maybe
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: my five hardest workouts or the best workouts that I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: did where I felt like I couldn't do it in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the beginning, but I managed to tell myself I could
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and then ended up having a really great workout. So
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I kind of write those down before the race to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: get myself into that positive headspace and remind myself of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just how much work I have done before I actually
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: line up on the race course.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I love that tip writing down moments that were difficult
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: but you succeeded despite that difficulty. Definitely something that can
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: be integrated into so many different routines, whether or not
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: we're talking about athleticism. So often we're like, oh, I
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if I can do this, and that's just,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know, as we call the life coaching, the gremlin
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: popping in that self doubt that I'm not good enough,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not God knows what lovable, And then you can
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: write down instances of no, this is when I persevere,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: this is when I was successful and knowing those things
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: being able to visualize them during that tough moment.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: That's such a great tip.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's one I've you used to unknowing to
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: begin with.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: When I was a swimmer, I kind of did it
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: without thinking about it, and then traflon became a much
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: more challenging sport. I was racing for so much longer
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that it became really important to have a strategy of
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: when my mind starts going into this negative place, how
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: can I come out of it? And it's something I've
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: worked on for I guess a number of years now
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and have really found that writing the things down before
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: really does help me.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Aside from that right before practice, you said that you
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: do work on this positive self talk at home. What
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: else would you say you do to kind of get
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: yourself in a good frame of mine more regularly?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It always helps to have a good music, good playlist.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of indoor training, so I'm literally
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: inside four walls doing my training. So you are inside
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: your own head for many many hours of training, and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I think mentally that makes you quite tough. But there's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: definitely times where you just need something else. So I'll
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: put on a good playlist, some upbeat music, some positive music,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: just to really get me kind of just up for it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I guess that you can't be up for every single day,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Like there's not every single day that I jump out
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of bed and think, whoah, I get to go and train,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Like there's definitely days where you're so tired and you
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: just need something else.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: So having a really good playlist I find just really
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: does help me.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier the concept of knowing your why when
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I asked you what you say to individuals who want
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to train like you on those hard mornings. I would
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: imagine that you personally knowing your why is really realle
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to how you show up when you just don't want
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to do it. So Lucy, tell us a little bit
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: about what your why is within your sport.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It's definitely always been about how far I can get
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: within whatever sport I'm doing. So in swimming, I wanted
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to see how far I could get, how fast I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: could go. The same applies to trifle, and I want
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to see how far I can go in this sport.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And for a long time, it was about winning the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: IMAN World Championships. And I've had a lot of people
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: ask me, now, well, what is your why now when
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you've been working towards that month for so long, Like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: do you feel like you're done now?
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Is there nothing left?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And I definitely feel like that's when it becomes so
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: crucial to have new goals that excite you. So I've
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: already been planning for next year's season with some exciting goals,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and I still feel deep down I have the potential
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to go faster over the iman distance, so I think
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that keeps me coming back. So it's about either revisiting
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: old goals that you haven't been able to achieve yet
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: or setting new ones you do achieve the goals that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you've been working tours for so long.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I love the idea of moving the goal posts.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: This goes back to our conversation on making sure that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you have grace with yourself when the unexpected pops in.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: You've had to move your goal posts a few times
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: because of what we talked about at the top of
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: this episode, those second place finishes when you say that
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you have different goals for the new year, aside from
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: speeding up, what are we talking about here?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, So we have a new race series in Traftlon
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: called the PTO, which is the Professional Trafleit Organization, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: their race distance is quite a bit shorter than an
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I man. It's actually the one hundred k distance, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the race itself last for less than four hours. It's
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: usually around three and a half hours for the women.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: So it's different to what I've done before that, it
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: definitely excites me. It also is hoping to be a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: race series worldwide, so again it means I can go
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: race around the world, which I love to do, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it's just different, so it excites me. And then alongside that,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I could go faster over that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: i'mn distance, so that's going to keep me showing up
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: for that distance as well.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Something I loved about this year's Championships was the woman
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: only race experience.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Share with me what your experience was like with that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think initially going into the race, I wasn't
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: sure how well received it would be, how much media
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: coverage we would get. From very early on from being
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: on the island, I realized the amount of attention we
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: were getting as female athletes, and then you felt this
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: kind of It wasn't a pressure, It was like an
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: excitement to show the world how strong female athletes can be.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: So to have just women there telling our story was amazing.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And actually looking at the stats after the race, we
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: had more views on the women's race than the men's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: i'm Man World Championship this year, So I think that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: just shows how strong women are and how much interest
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: there actually is in women's sports, So that was really cool.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a theme that we're seeing
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: now and understanding that there is a desire, a thirst
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: for consuming women's sports. We're seeing media companies completely dedicated
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to women's sport, and now more and more regularly general
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: media companies, especially TV companies, are opening up slots to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: showcase women's sport. It's so long overdue understatement, and I
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: love that we can say things like you just said,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: like the viewership up was up over the men's race.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Dramatically they say a lot, but you have to see
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: it to be it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We need to be seeing women's sport to inspire the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: younger girls and women to actually take up sport and
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: give it a go. So it's amazing that we're finally
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: getting that platform to really share just how strong we are.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I think also it comes in to play with the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: prize money, right, both the men and the women winners
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of Iron MANCONA.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: When what's the personnel, I think it's about one hundred
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and twenty five thousands, so it's pretty good. And it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: always been amazing in triathlon that the money has always
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: been equal across men and women. I think the only
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: thing that had lacked before was that coverage of men
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and women, But now again that's becoming very equal as well.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really great, especially because we talked about other
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: sports and that's just so not the case. I did
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: an article not all that long ago on a women's
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: cycling team out of California and just how difficult it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: is for them to perform because not only is their
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: very little coverage of women's professional cycling, but then also
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the money that's invested and the prize purses often are
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: there's such a large discrepancy there between the women and
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the men.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see that across a lot of sports,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: which is why I feel so lucky to be in
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the sport of travelm that there's so many sports that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: could just take a leaf out of Trafilm's book and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: really support the women and give them the platform they deserve,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: give them the funding and the backing financially to actually see.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: How they can do.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of the time, I guess I'm quite biased,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but I do think the women's racing can be more
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: exciting than the men's and we just need the platform
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to show the world, and once they see it, they
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: want to see more of it. So, yeah, we just
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: have to keep pushing as female athletes to really get
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that platform we deserve.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Like you said, in order to be it, you need
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to see it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: We mentioned the prize person money from Kona being something
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: like one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Also enabling
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you to do what you love is the support from
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: your sponsors. Talk to me about what it was like
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: when you first started securing these deals, knowing that they
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: were going to truly fuel you to put in the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: work that you wanted to do.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess like initially, I think I went on
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: to come second in ConA the fat time, and that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: was the first time I really started to get interest
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: from sponsors. So it still took a long while, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I still had to really financially invest myself and get
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: my family to support me initially, but we all believed
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in the kind of success I could potentially have. So
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: once I started to secure actual sponsors that were backing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: me and supporting me, and I think, like one of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: my earlier sponsors was Red Bull, and to have them
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on board with me was just absolutely amazing. Like there's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: such an incredible brand, but one of the big things
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they said to me initially was obviously financially they can
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: support me, but they would be there all the way
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: if I ever got injured, and they have done that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a million percent for me, Like whenever I've had an injury,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I've called them up, I've been in for a scan.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: The next day, I've been flying out to Austria to
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: their performance center and seeing the top experts to help
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: me come back from the injury stronger than I was before.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: But I feel like so many of my sponsors are
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: more than just a financial help. They just give me
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: so much support. My bike sponsor, for example, we develop
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the technology of the bike year on year together, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it just feels like a huge partnership more than just
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: having a sponsor that's putting pressure on me to perform
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: at the highest level. It just feels like they want
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to support me, they want to help me, They want
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to see how far I can go in this sport
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: more than anything. So I feel really really grateful to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: have those brands behind me and support me all the way.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It is bigger than your accomplishments. For someone who hears
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: that you have these different sponsors, can you paint a
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: picture of what some of the obligations might look like
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: within these partnerships.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I mean most of the obligations that I have are
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: media related, so I'm really fortunate to have my sister
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: who does an amazing job on my social media, on
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: our YouTube, she allows us to really tell that story,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and I think that covers a large proportion of my
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: contracts with these sponsors and a lot of the stuff
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that's additional to that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: I just really enjoyed doing.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: For example, going and doing a meet and greet with
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: maybe it's the UK office at Red Bull, or a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: meet and greet with the staff that work at my
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: bike sponsor Cube. Just doing that a little bit, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy that because it feels like I'm giving
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: back a little bit as well to the support that
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: they're giving me. So I try to do it as
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: best as possible. I mean, obviously, when I'm training super hard,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it's not so easy, but that's when it's great to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: have my sister there just filming what I'm doing anyway
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and sharing that story a little bit.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I love it's not only you are training with your husband,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: but then you're also working with your sister. It's kind
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: of a fun opportunity to give back to the people
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you love so that you can all do this together.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it always has felt a bit like a
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: family effort. Like my mum and dad.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: They came onto my training camp this year when we
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: went to font Romot in France in altitude. They came
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: there so that we could have their dogs there. They
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: looked after the dogs. They also fed us so they
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: would cook the meals for us between our training. So yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: it feels amazing to have such a supportive family and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: friends and my sponsors. I do feel really really grateful
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: for everyone helping me on this journey.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Nothing like a good home cooked meal now, I know.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that this goes on for
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: a long time when you're actually in a race, and
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: also all those hours that go into the training.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: How do you show up on the ds that you
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to show up?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is tough. I think that's where it
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: really helps to have my husband there who just reminds
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: me of why I'm doing it. But it's also just
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: remembering the journey that you've been on and how far
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you have come and why you're doing it. That's when
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it's really important to remember that why, like what am
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I working towards? And I think it helps sometimes. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: remember being out running before and I didn't want to
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: be running. I was super tired, and I just I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: think I saw this young girl that pointed to a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: parents was oh my god.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: That's Charles running, and I was like, actually, this is
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: why I'm doing it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm just out here selfishly out
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for a run, but I can also be inspiring the
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: next generation of athletes to give it a go. So
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's about trying to make it bigger than yourself,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: just giving back in any way you can.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I love that someone goes to your Instagram page they
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: see you there, a red bull athlete and iron Man
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: world champion. You've got something almost like five hundred thousand followers.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror in the morning, Lucy,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I think I just see the same person. I've always
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: seen someone that's super driven towards her goals, but I've
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: always just stayed the same person despite the success I've had.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I think I'm very lucky. I have some friends who
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: keep me grounded. We'll joke with me and I don't
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: take life too serious. I do try and have as
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: much fun with it as possible. But at the same time,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I think I definitely put a different holm when I
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: get on the start line, and I am a pure
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: racer when I get on the race course. But other
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: than that, I would say I'm quite a friendly, nice person.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: When you show up to the start line.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Understandably, so there's going to be a little bit of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that anxiety, the nerves that kick in. Advice for handling
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: nerves the day of any big effort or a big moment.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely tough, but I remember it felt like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: my heart was in my.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Throat on the morning of KNA this year, because you
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: know all the.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Work that went into it, and you can tell yourself
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: every minute it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, but you
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: know how much and how hard you work for it,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and of course it matters. So it is really just
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: trying to send to yourself. I always just try and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: focus on deep breaths, step by step, like, don't try
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and think about the whole day, really break it down.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So the first bit, I literally am just thinking about
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the start of the swim to begin with, and nothing
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: more than that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I think usually days.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And weeks before the race, I've done the visualization, I've
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: really thought about it, but on race morning, I think
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: it becomes way too overwhelming if you think about the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: whole thing. So yeah, just trying to break it down
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: as much as possible.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Another takeaway that's just so relevant for so many other
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: things in life. Right if we're sitting there and worrying
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: about the thing that's happening in five hours from now
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and not focusing on what's happening in this minute, then
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: you're also losing an opportunity to be present and present
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: with where you are and navigating where you're at.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Definitely, I think, yeah, like you said, in any walk
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of life, it's just staying in the moment and focusing
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: on the task at hand, not the one that's next
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: or the other one. And I think I have to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: do that with my training a lot. Actually, is just
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: focus on the session that I'm doing now rather than
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: worrying about the one that's coming up in the evening,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: because you ruin the session that you're doing initially if
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you're worrying about the next one. So take it one
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: step at a time.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: What excite to you right now, Lucy back.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Into training now, so just sort of ticking along, think crazy.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But I always look forward to the new year as
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: well because it's like a fresh start, and I look
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: forward to really getting into some structured training.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: In the new year.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I'll head out to some warmer climates in lands Rotti.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: The weather's never great here in winter in the UK,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: so looking forward to some sunshine in the new year.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just really happy with life at the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: moment and trying and enjoy it as much as possible.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: What's something that you're looking forward to making stick in
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the new year, Maybe a habit or whatnot that you say, Okay,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: fresh start January one, this is when this is going
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: to happen for me.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I think one of the things I really want to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: focus on is just trying to not stress as much.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think stress like when I worry about a session
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: too much, it actually gets ruined just by being stressed.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So that's easier said than done to say just don't
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: be stressed. But I think it goes back to what
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: we were saying earlier, just staying in the moment, focusing
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: on one thing at a time, and I think that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that will hopefully help me to be a bit more relaxed,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: especially when training ramps up and gets harder.
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  Speaker 3: And harder, less stress in twenty twenty four, that's all
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm with you.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Well, we're winding down here the way that I end
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  Speaker 2: all of my episodes. Right now, you have an opportunity, Lucy,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: knowing what you know now, to offer yourself a piece
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  Speaker 2: of advice. Let's go back to that injury hurdle moment,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: dealing with being in that moon boot, having all of
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: that frustration right now, offer yourself a piece of advice
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: during that time.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Knowing what you know now, I would definitely say trust
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: in the process. I think this year I really struggled
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  Speaker 1: with that. I felt like I was performing really well
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: in training quite a lot, but then on the race
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: day it didn't feel like it came together. And for me,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: when I did the really hard block of work to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Kona this year, in that five six weeks, a large
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: part of me for like, is this even going to work?
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Because it felt like it hadn't worked all year, And
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: then obviously it finally did work and it all came together,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and it was about just trusting in the process and
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  Speaker 1: knowing that actually, when you need to be there, when
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  Speaker 1: your body's ready, it will be ready and it will deliver.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, just trust in the process and you'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you before you
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  Speaker 2: go to tell me where your mind was at when
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  Speaker 2: you finally, after all of those years, crossed that finish
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  Speaker 2: line in first place, put us in your shoes.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was every emotion I've ever felt in
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: my body came out like I didn't know whether to
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: cry or laugh or I just I'd expelled every single
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: ounce of energy in my body on that day. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to cross that finish line and have my husband there,
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  Speaker 1: my sister there was just amazing. I remember running up
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the finish line and I couldn't even hear anything.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: It was so loud.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: My ears were ringing, and it almost didn't feel real.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And for a long time after the race, it didn't
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: feel feel real. I kept watching the video of me
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: crossing the finish line, taking that finish tape and being like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: that's actually me.
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  Speaker 4: The video like it wasn't computing.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, it's been such a long, long
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  Speaker 1: journey to get to that point. It was a huge
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  Speaker 1: relief to finally do it. But obviously I was just
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: so so happy, and I think everyone on my team
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: was relieved and happy as well.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Relieved and happy and astounded with a new course record
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  Speaker 2: of eight hours, twenty four minutes and thirty one seconds.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Let me just say, for those of you that don't know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: she also ran this marathon after the swim and the
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: bike in a sub three hour time, which is insane.
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  Speaker 3: It's insane.
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  Speaker 2: You're truly truly a legend, Lucy. I'm so happy that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: we're able to find the time to finally connect for
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the show. For those of you that don't follow along
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: with you just yet, give us the details. How do
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: they keep up with you on social Yeah?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm very active on my social media, which
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I think is at Lucy Chiles ninety three. But the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: biggest thing we're pushing at the moment is the YouTube channel,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: which is Team Child's park Play, and my sister puts
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: in so much time an effort into it, and I
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: think we're about three thousand followers away from that magic
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: hundred k where she gets sent a little award or something,
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  Speaker 1: so I can go and follow that or mean everything
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: to me for the work that my sister Holly puts in.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Get Holly the award, y'all. She needs it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily Obadi and at Hurdle Podcast. Another
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  Speaker 2: hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.