Latest / Burpee Talk / #99 - De waarheid na de val.
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- speaker-1: Hey speaker-0: Pizza speaker-1: Dear listeners, welcome to new episode of Burpytalk. Today we three big topics for you to prepare. Namely, development in the Ilse Boeving case. That's a look at the quarterfinals that coming And of course, it's the Hybrox race in London and everything in But first, the Ilse question. Last week it officially announced that she four years. After CrossFit, confirm that her video was edited and was in conflict with the rules. In our previous episode, I deliberately chose to safe, practical route. I took into account her age, her mental state and the simple fact that we are not judges. We discuss, we analyze. Not everyone agreed that. There were listeners who thought I had to be more direct and more Well, don't worry. Today we the whole story again, with everything we know now, including the rules, the sanction. and what this means for the sport. And that is immediately a beautiful moment to welcome who has no problem with being Someone who still a little angry because he is still being lied to and someone who evidence as if it Pokemon cards. Mies, nice that you're here boy. I'll for you. I thought so. Welcome. It happened all sudden. Was it Sunday evening or Monday evening? speaker-0: Do I have an intro Yeah. Nice man. speaker-1: I don't anymore. I'm a little lost how we... Yes, exactly. Suddenly there was... Well, we're talking about the video channel of Hillerfit. Well, suddenly Ilse Boeving was in again with an old guy who used to videos with Craig Ritchie. there was... No, this is not fast. This is not fast. This is edited. It just Time just well. speaker-0: So, so, Really actually. speaker-1: Only my voice is faster. You think this is the case. All editing skills, all editing skills. The high word came out. She had indeed edited. And we were happy then. speaker-0: I'm not necessarily happy, but do it's just. speaker-1: Absolutely. It's pity that it had to take before it came I found the stage piece crumbling. I don't the coach, I don't to know him and I what to speaker-0: know about that, but I think it's bit speaker-1: Yes, think so too. then he was sitting there, you know, whether he knew or not, was laughing at as if it something fun that had happened. Damn your pupil that you had to keep on, that will for four years. Everyone knew that. Don't laughing that, crazy. speaker-0: We didn't know they would of course. speaker-1: Of we that. You knew that there sanction. speaker-0: The score was out and you didn't anything else. speaker-1: No, I immediately into the regulations, because I also thought that if I use that the doping list, then can assume that you fired. I this either, but then I looked and we have a rule. And the restriction of the rule is unedited and not altered in any way. That has be your video. So you can't be it, just be And if that does happen, then you into the same arrangement as with a doping. Because then it fraud or tampering, that's the same as doping. So then I knew that would two or four years. And that happened. speaker-0: I think this is the first time something like this has right? Yeah, at least someone has it, they had looped So you one round and then film it and then you it together. So if you five rounds, you that I know but I don't know if that ever happened speaker-1: No, I don't any examples of I do how often this I knew with doping, Ricky Gerard was caught once. Openly, that's all out. But you can assume that we his hundred thousandth that there is much more doping. You know that. People don't get caught, they do get it's all But you know that happens. I really had... Well, comparison to my class, we do it with 12 people, with 14 people, are always 3 4 who count than I want. And maybe I'm myself from speaker-0: I do that people are about their scores. I'm anyone under the bus, but... No, no, it happens. In the past, the Netherlands, there vlogs about Then suddenly are no videos, while whole year everything is being but that video breaks then. And things that. So that happens. But I've the speed up of videos. And also because it just stands out. Not you, but... speaker-1: But you so far... Yes. No, no, no, Well, if I one and a times the speed. it was of course also really stupid that you it so much. You know, if she had it two minutes slower, then she would have fifth in the Netherlands. Then maybe would have some questions asked, but not as much as that you second in the world. No, that's right. That is of course, you really she got all the attention. And I think that she... I don't what she thought and it interests me, I what she thought speaker-0: Hellefit went online again and then she started telling people that she to speaker-1: Andrew Hilliard. speaker-0: No, and then they say that the film was edited and that they were with and blah blah blah. But the rest, they keep lying it. speaker-1: I think the same thing you say. think I'm going to be kicked out for so many years. You say, I wasn't yet. I think someone should have told girl, you did is going to a kick-out. And then you can maybe think, because she also something like, I hope this is all behind the back, then I can just start training again and I hope to the semis someday. Or the CrossFit Games or something. Yes, no, Tlula. speaker-0: I don't get it. They'll in four years. speaker-1: No, maybe I hope not. That's sure. speaker-0: Everyone knows you lied and that you the truth. So in four years, you did very good and it all out, then nobody believes you. I don't know what you're but... speaker-1: This is No, that was of if you at Dope, Ricky Gerard was picked up. He also tried to out it. Well, all fine, fine. And at some point he said, yes, I did. I'm my band of four years, two years, four years, I don't know. And I'll back. That's fine. speaker-0: you have Accepting you're is always the consideration of you do something that you can't and you know you caught. And if you're caught, then say I was a dick. I'm sorry, I won't do anymore. And then if they me a chance, no, I get four bans then they me another chance. speaker-1: I Yes, absolutely. I think it's also, you because there was quite a... I don't understand that you're to try to such a faster time. Super stupid. I do that if you have that's your first reaction is, oh, I've done but that your first reaction is, oh, I'm to again. I also that once, but if you can't go then it will be completely clean. Yes, of course. speaker-0: You say you've the right weight, you that the ball we filmed was your warm-up round. Of course. Where are the real videos? So the question is 4 years enough? Or do no until you tell speaker-1: Exactly. I'm still on other things. She is now the most famous Dutch fitness athlete. Linda Keesman was never popular than she a video of 100,000 followers. speaker-0: I think Linda is speaker-1: Yes, but she doesn't a YouTube video. If Linda makes a video now, won't 100,000 people watching. I it, but it happen. And she speaker-0: Eels is viral because he did something he can't. speaker-1: Well, that, ⁓ can she again, I mean, if she comes this sports school here and says, hey, I want ⁓ to play fitness, then we three more times about whether we want Right? And I think a lot of sports schools have that. speaker-0: I've lot of when Ios is your if you a would do or not. speaker-1: Yes, I... Well, you don't to answer I it No, I would as coach. speaker-0: And I think if you a mistake, afterwards, you don't it and then on. But someone who keeps lying, he has learned Then you have say, I'm going to work speaker-1: I totally agree. If an athlete says, I dope and I what, and he says, stupid, but I want here for two years. Yeah, no, yeah, that's I think that's another time. Lend that phone to your father again and say, it was all a lie and go back to CrossFit Arnhem and ask if you can train Yes, I think that's only advice we can give. speaker-0: Yes. And then it's 24. speaker-1: Exactly. And young? I don't but she come back speaker-0: What I'm curious about is, she's on this. There are also stories that she uses And that's mainly because of her before and after photos on her Instagram, where she also puts text of something like, I used good food, I don't use doping, so yeah, you do anyway. speaker-1: I've that what she does now. speaker-0: I get messages from listeners who say that this means that they 4 years. And in 4 years they will even fitter and with all lies. So I'm curious, if you doping, test them for 4 years. Is this mechanical doping? speaker-1: I have no idea, exactly. speaker-0: Do they to check out Or do they say... speaker-1: I know. you say that... I would like to know because I have the idea, but I'm sure, that if someone who is pushing for doping, that he doesn't... speaker-0: No, so if you're kicked out can just... And then it I at weightlifting that they'll four years later. All the NREMs are up. Look, they can it without doping. speaker-1: Yeah, that think I... No, you just went No, I know Well, I would like to know Do we have someone in the doping authorities who can us? I don't know. Me neither. I really know about that in the Netherlands. speaker-0: Yes. I thought that Erwin van Beek did like this I don't remember. speaker-1: Maybe we should... Yeah. Hey, later this year I to to experts or people who opinions about or whatever. I want to talk about... Well, about doping, about fraud, about all these abuses, about maybe the mental pressure of young people. It doesn't me. I want a nice topic. Yeah. I think we should close Yeah. Right? speaker-0: We're to the quarterfinals. speaker-1: Shall we continue to the quarterfinals? speaker-0: You don't have to film. Really? Yes. You don't to film for the quarterfinals. Only if you participate for the money prizes. But there a clause in that if CrossFit asks you to translate it, you to to show with the data and the time when you did it. Because you have in those days. That's funny, because then you such an incident and then they you what? speaker-1: Do all them. rest doesn't to. Oh really? Yes. Oh, think that's weird, but I do think that because this so well now, that you might have to agree From what point in video registration that that should be Look, I don't to deal with my hundred thousandth place. speaker-0: to film. You know what's the thing with all that AI? At some point can things look that it's going special to someone up. And then you where are we going in the sport? Or do you just have to live competitions? speaker-1: I would say, and then you all the way. I've that before. Of course, it's open, it's cool that we all do I do indeed want to Quilter Mertens perform fantastically, but it doesn't to I want him here in a stadium and then want to clap and I want to see that. All those online things, of course it's great, but... speaker-0: Well, have to come with in there, right? Maybe you just, as you said before, you two streams at some point. The game, sports, the real stuff. And then you an X amount per year, whatever. Or a long note that you think, yes, I'm not to pay if I don't participate. And then good one or something to just it for the community. speaker-1: Yeah, the and yeah. I think we've this few times that it doesn't like a bad idea to Hey, quarterfinals, we're this on Thursday, March 26th. And I don't know exactly when, but they're this weekend. don't know when. tonight. 8 o'clock tonight you can start. Until? Until the end month. That's different from the open. The open is one workout per three weeks. And this is in a whole weekend. That's really tough. Can we one one? speaker-0: fear virgo. speaker-1: Workout 1 is shuttle runs, overhead squats and burpees. Time cap 12 minutes. First part 10 times shuttle runs of 50 feet, 15 meters. 20 overhead squats, 30 bar facing burpees. Then you for 1 minute and then have to same part again other way. So first burpees, then the squats and then 10 shuttle runs. I also 52 kilos for the men and 36 for the women. What do we that? That's the first one. speaker-0: You can do it yourself. I think it's a nice thing. Running, overhead squats, burpees, 10 minutes of It's a bit a fall strip actually, because you think, oh, I a break, I but you don't have a break. So the moment you get if you really in the red, in that first block, you have a big problem. So you have to relatively fresh there, then you a minute of rest and then you back and then you have say, now I can it. speaker-1: So first ten shuttle guns... speaker-0: Nice, what? Look, nice thing about this is that everyone can do again. 25 % still on. Yes. So that's quite a lot of people. Everyone can this. speaker-1: Exactly. And in general, they can squat 52 or 36 kilos. Yes, Then we to workout number two. That's called waterfall. Fantastic. Four time, double dumbbell hang squat cleans and then 40 bar muscle ups. That's 120 movements together. I think you them through each other. That's right. Yes, right? And this is a tie break at six. speaker-0: You do whatever you want. This is one of the more things being workaholic, because you your own journey, own tactics. Normally you break down, but you always a rap scheme that is for you. And now can for what you Suppose you're very good with one of the two movements, can say, I'll bigger sets of So this is really fun. speaker-1: Well, I that's my brain. I think the dumbbell squat is easier than the bar muscle-up. So that there will be a distribution. There are people who may not muscle-ups yet. speaker-0: So should through the dumbbell cleans. speaker-1: So will quickly reach the 60 reps, right? That's what's going to Grip, think that's very important. This is pure grip. You've this too. What kind of distribution could you do? speaker-0: My advice to the athlete I'm is to start with a large set of bar massaps. Don't in the red, because you're still very fresh. If you're very tired and your grip is gone, bar massaps are just less pleasant. You can always those dumbbells with But if your grip is gone and you bar massaps, it's always exciting. So say do one large set, then you it until those bar massaps are Then it's just a button around and the remaining clean. But I I've someone who's 40 bars on his broken day and then immediately goes to the speaker-1: Just a brief... That's possible. If he can can through it I'm curious what the tops can this. I think the dumbbells, just a weight of 15 for the ladies and 22.5 for the men, That's not suddenly different. No. Okay, workout three. That thing is called double unders and deadlift. A ladder, four times is the 12 minute cap. first three rounds you do 50 double unders and 10 deadlifts. Then you two rounds, 50 double unders again, also 10 deadlifts, and then you one round with 50 double unders and 10 deadlifts. And only thing has changed is that the first round, well, the weight is getting heavier in those rounds. The ladies go from 70 to 83 to 102 kilos and the men do 102, 125, 143. Also a nice wave. speaker-0: Yes, also a nice WOD. We hadn't had a lot pullings in the open We lot of squats, so it's nice that it's now. Everyone can those weights, the first two blocks anyway. The last ones, then it heavier for some and others little less. So I think it will be determined by the dab, how many mistakes will make, can you broken or not. Optimally you do 50 dabs, otherwise just relax. And then you yes, the deadlifts you can easily. speaker-1: But you're going most your time on that double and so if you're to you're to it too. And maybe you'll up the deadlifts being too heavy for you. speaker-0: That trips, and it costs a of But then you're just relatively too weak for this work at all. ⁓ speaker-1: Fabian should this quickly. He doesn't 12 minutes, think. No, Workout 4, that's going rowing. 4 time, 20 minutes. You start with 1000 meters, then you do 30 clean and jerks. Then you with 1000 meters and then you 30 strict handstand push ups. I'm to the weights again. 61 kilos for the men, 43 for the ladies. speaker-0: This is the case that you start to I've paces from guys who say, I'm 1.40 and all that stuff. And you fine that you want to do But suppose someone grows, I don't two minutes, that's really super slow for a man, for You time back someone else, not through the handstand push ups. Clean and jerks, slowly per rep, because he's completely out breath. And I think everyone underestimates how you get to the handstand push ups. Because you think, oh, it's only 30, but you've had 30 clean and jerks. It's real thing. speaker-1: That's where the moment is. speaker-0: So think that when you get you think, ⁓ it feels less than I thought. But I think that the who has very good hands push-ups, that one. speaker-1: sit well in. They're to win, That's just the moment when those clean and jerks with 60 have to that. These people who want to participate have to be able Yes, Hey, are four workouts, four fun workouts. You have three, four days to do Which one you to first? Which workout? Because that's what do. speaker-0: But I think the deadlift workout will the most difficult. speaker-1: Yes, that one is different. So you'll the latter speaker-0: But don't you that deadlift twice. Most people say they it once a week. On Mondays for example. Different from the other quarterfinals. Normally you have different movements. You G &D sit-ups, rope climbs, difficult things. These pretty basic movements in general. speaker-1: Yes, speaker-0: ...a heavy barbell you still but as I said during the opening, you do a storyline in And see, this can almost everyone do, think, who has best... ...who has this... ...and they don't something like, ah shit, you had nothing... speaker-1: That's what you still you finally made to the quarterfinals and then you three minutes and then you still the rest the time. speaker-0: And now you have the top, which to the semis. You can in everything you want And then you also have the distinction between the real and So think that far is really good in each other. speaker-1: The athletes... I totally you. We'll that in next podcast. Then we'll a leaderboard and we'll see if that... And not like it last time. Just everyone neat, everything right, that kind thing. I would like that. Those are the quarterfinals. They be compared to the National Tournament. I we'll look too. We don't anything about yet, I don't think there workouts known it yet. One RM snatch. One RM snatch. That's for you. I wanted just now, I like that. speaker-0: begins. speaker-1: No, I'm going there Saturday. I can't I'm not there. I want to some interview. Do you have someone I should interview? No. I'm not to interview I just want interview the We'll see. I'm going We're going to walk That was CrossFit. And actually there something that even more attention than our CrossFit sport. That was suddenly world record. speaker-0: It's an athlete interview, I 24 that is definitely... speaker-1: On the Hydroxman. And then you well, that's Paul again, or that an American? No, that was our own Burpytalk friend of the show, Mr. de Weersma. He suddenly as the man under 53 minutes. In London? Super good. Super good. And that sport is getting more cool to look It's so insane. The start is great. How it is They are now interviews from before. Hiddiging had that. He had already experienced that. I think he had two things He said, should I with shirt or without shirt? And it turned that he the fastest without shirt. They had to with ads, so he his chest hair. I thought that was funny to watch. He himself said, I have a new technique on the sled pull. I don't I his anymore, but he the rope. Oh no, he just the rope down. So pull once, rope down and pick He was much faster, so that was... That was great. actually, the world champion Tim Weenish, the German boy, just went very, very hard. Immediately gone. He got two penalties at the burpees. But really half a minute in the 30 seconds. Yes, he had for 30 seconds. That was a bit that I thought, how strict are we to do You you can the burpees. I don't think he's got his chest on the ground. And that man. His hand position can also be, yes, that. speaker-0: still. speaker-1: You saw the judges walking and I think Hiddde one of those who walked straight up and looked at the birds. And Tim had someone with him who really through his knees and then I where are we with that sport? So that was actually a because ultimately Tim Weenis was faster, but because of that penalty he came later. speaker-0: over the finish. speaker-1: about the finish, that was a shame. I thought it super fun to watch. He was really fast, he was coming under 53 minutes. He was coming to the rowing and he was still to the audience laughing and doing... That guy, I didn't him tired. That was really fantastic. Eventually he came to kettlebell run, of he said this is really light. Well, he went really light now. He really through it. Then he at the wall balls and you two still over with. His wall ball is not harmless yet. Tim Weenis had a very fast wall ball. He do a lot. He it really far in of He lets him very deep. That will a technique and that kind thing. But I have the feeling that he can a lot there. He comes under 53 minutes with, I think, no perfect race. It was also in London. speaker-0: Yeah, that can be a good thing. speaker-1: They were the last lap more than a kilometer, so the distance was actually even bigger than they should have. On the other hand, both the men had a world record, the women there were a lot who suddenly under 59 minutes. So it was fast track. It was a fast track, to It was great to see and it promises a lot for the World soon, because he has to... He is in shape. He is really in shape and I think great. Then was also women's and... To with success, have Emily Damen She was running under 59 minutes. That had hardly any ladies done. And then you think, she's running under 59 minutes, she'll have a place now. Yes, really not again. one person went by, because that lady, she was laughing really well The sledge? really well. The hard running went well. The machines went really well. Really fantastic. She got a yellow card at the lunches, think. something where she a time limit. And she just had the luck that those ladies behind her earrings, I think that's they're called, something, they threw the waltz on Broken. And well, Emily, she still has trouble with those waltz. You just that. There really is a fatigue. And it went well and then they it in. And yeah, unfortunately it wasn't. So, well, no ticket but if you so hard, then it Poland, it fine. And she promised, if Poland did it, that she would to So that would be great. That was Hi-Rox. We really to more at it. It really fantastic to see. speaker-0: We're really close. Leuk man! speaker-1: I'm already forward to the next Elite 15. Although I don't understand, I still to. We have four Elite 15 Masters. We were so proud of that the Masters were, I don't so I think we should watch Is there suddenly a tournament in London? I in between. And there you could qualify No idea. speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: In three weeks, I don't know if it's three weeks, but soon it back Rotterdam. Yes, we'll see right? Yes. We'll lot of acquaintances with that. Well, that's three weeks. Yes, fantastic sport. I really like to see it. Hey, that was a bit of what was again, think. Sure. Do we more? Do we elsewhere? The quarterfinals and then the real season. speaker-0: It is now the 26th. We have the of with NK, Functional Fitness. ⁓ That is now also going. Where is that? In Den Bosch, but I the the sport. speaker-1: Yeah, that the Brabant had. I don't Yeah, that one. You know what I mean. Yeah, exactly. That one. Oh, that's fun. Okay. speaker-0: This as well. speaker-1: A days and then we'll the semis. speaker-0: Wildcards went and yeah, there a number of toppers from this. ⁓ yeah. speaker-1: World Fitness Project is still a bit degrading with the people they inviting, but okay. It's nice to be watch speaker-0: Is that all there is it? speaker-1: I think so. I'll you very soon.