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BONUS: The Podcast About Podcasts – Featuring Dyestat Discussions · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time. Here we go.
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  This month in February of 2025, we are doing a podcast about
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  podcast. We want to introduce you to
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  other track and field themed podcasts that are out there that
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  might be great for your listening pleasure.
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  So all month we're introducing a new podcast each and every day,
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  showing you who they are, what they are, how they are, why they
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  got started and even their favorite episodes and most
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  popular. And hopefully this adds to your
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  podcast listening library. So here we go.
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  Let's get started with today's podcast about podcast.
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  OK, Why don't we get started with this one?
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  Why don't we get started with introduce yourself, kind of give
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  us a 30,000 foot level of like who you are in relationship to
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  our great sport, and then tell us the name of the podcast that
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  we're talking about today. All right, I'm Doug Bender.
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  I'm the editor in chief of Die stat.com, which is the news
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  operation for Runner Space. I've been in this role for about
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  12 years. Before that, I spent a year
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  actually with John Dye working for the old Die Stat when it was
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  part of ESPN. And you know, my relationship
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  with him goes back even farther than that.
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  So we cover high school, college and pro track and field on a
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  year round basis, pumping out stories, meet coverage and Die
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  Stat discussions is I guess you know what you you're labeling a
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  podcast. I'm not even sure we always
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  think of it as a podcast. We just think of it as our
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  interview space. Yeah, absolutely, Keenan.
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  I'm Keenan Gray. I've been now with dice at full
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  time for a little bit about over a year and a half or so.
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  And my role varies, you know, from, you know, doing writing
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  usually with with Doug, I'm going to cover meats, but I also
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  run our social media pages, do a lot of the breaking news stuff
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  that we post on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook.
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  And then I also, since we are time of runner space, I'm also a
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  play by play commentator for a lot of our broadcasts on
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  runnerspace.com. So that's I've been involved
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  that, but I mean, I've been covering track and field now
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  probably for I think this is my 7th year being involved with
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  doing something in capacity because when I when I first
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  started, I had created my own website and that's kind of how I
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  got involved with die stat. I was able to.
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  I have a good relationship with Pat Tyson out at Gonzaga
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  University and he was able to get me in contact with Doug when
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  the podium open about five years ago.
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  And that's how I was able to meet Doug and we kind of started
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  our relationship there. Yeah, very cool.
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  Yeah, I have a Doug, to your point, an open definition of
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  what podcast means. We'll talk about that near the
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  end of today's episode. But it's still, it's very
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  important. It's a just a video version of
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  what we do here. And so the value that you add is
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  one of the reasons why we still wanted to absolutely make sure
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  we have you guys here. And also my love for John Dye.
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  You know, I, I met John right as he was expanding from Maryland
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  to national with die stat. And you know, it's easy when we
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  get into life in general to forget about people in the past.
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  And you know, John Dye had an incredible and incredible impact
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  on our sport as it specifically relates to media and coverage
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  and things like that. And so, you know, anything that
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  lives on with his legacy is very important to me personally.
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  So well, let's hop into it. Talk to us about for the die
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  stat discussions. What kind of style would we
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  expect to listen to if we choose to listen to the podcast?
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  It's a solo podcast. I got 2 here, so maybe it's you
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  2 Co hosting interviews. Talk to us about what kind of
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  style we would expect. Well, we normally have one
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  interviewer and one interview. We usually now could be, we've
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  had many of them where we're interviewing an entire team, for
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  instance, or members of a team. Maybe it's four or five boxes.
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  That's uncommon. Usually it is one-on-one and,
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  you know, not, not too different than what we're doing right now.
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  Yeah, no, I mean, we usually just try to, we we reach out to
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  like, I mean, pretty much anybody that's kind of like
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  relevant during that time or like someone that'll be when I
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  think that's big. I think we, the first one we
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  started off with here in 2025 was Mike Holloway, which was a
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  really big one to get. We have a guy that's based out
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  of Florida and has a has a connection with him down there.
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  And fortunately enough, Mike Holloway was gracious enough to
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  to chat with Todd and they chat about, you know, like he has a
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  new book coming out the Holloway effects basically his whole
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  entire life and and other stuff like relating to the the Florida
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  Gators. But I mean, yeah, as Doug said,
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  like we, we try to reach out to people.
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  I mean, we've had Olympic gold medalists, we've had world
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  champions on, we've had Hall of Fame coaches, Hall of Fame
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  athletes, I mean, the list goes on.
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  So there's there's a wide variety of who we've had on
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  Dystat discussions. Now knowing that there's
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  extremes of a men and a Max, but what is the average?
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  What would be the average length of an episode?
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  Good question. I would say the average length
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  is probably around 30 minutes. Now we've had, we've had
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  episodes that have gone past an hour and some of them sometimes
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  we've used the, the podcast as a promotional tool for upcoming
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  meats on runner space. And we may get a high school kid
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  on talk about the weekend's race.
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  And that might only be 15 minutes or 10.
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  Even if, if, if we're just trying to bang our way through
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  like 3 or 4 of them in a day, for instance.
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  But I would say if you took the, I mean, and we've got 11150
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  episodes, OK, if you took the aggregate average of all those,
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  I'm guessing it's going to be around 30 minutes.
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  Yeah, that's cool. I love that.
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  Now, I don't want to assume anything, but you know, kind of
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  behind the curtain, one of the titles names of our podcast that
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  we discussed was discussions because we're an interview
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  podcast where we, you know, we have talks and you are you, you
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  went with it. You are diced at discussions.
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  What was the kind of impetus around the name?
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  I again, I don't want to assume, but I can assume that it was
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  because we're going to have discussions that would track
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  people around the world well. What happened was we began this
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  whole thing during the pandemic when there was nothing, no meats
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  for us to cover. And these types of Zoom
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  interviews became our, our best way to get new content.
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  And so for the, for the, for the, the very start, we called
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  them quarantine conversations, you know, and then when the
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  quarantine period sort of had dissipated and gone away, it
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  didn't seem appropriate anymore. So I think it's just the
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  alliteration of of the 2DS die stat discussions that just kind
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  of flowed right there. And it it wasn't a huge, there
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  wasn't a meeting about it was pretty, pretty quick to just
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  come up with a new name quickly because we probably had people
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  scheduled and just needed to keep rolling on with it.
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  Now my next question is when did you start?
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  You talked about during during the COVID and you kind of
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  touched on this, but maybe take let's take a step deeper into
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  this. What was the motivation to start
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  now? I heard, you know, you needed
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  content. That's one thing that's great.
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  There's other options you could have done and you do do for for
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  for content. Was there any other motivations
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  of why to start this type of, you know, video interview?
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  There's a lot of other options you could have taken there.
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  Type of series. Yeah, again, we were sitting
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  around with really nothing to do.
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  All of the meats on the schedule have been wiped off.
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  And we were thinking, I mean, other than I was doing a lot of
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  updates about closures and cancellations and writing
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  content like that. We needed to interact with the
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  athletes. And at that, at that time, we
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  were sort of discovering how Zoom could be the a tool to use
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  that we'd never even considered before.
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  And when we saw, you know, how it was being employed in, in
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  schools and, and for people just to have meetings, we decided to
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  give it a try. And it probably took probably
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  took a few weeks, even after the after the pandemic shutdown had
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  started, before we even got ourselves positioned to try one.
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  And once we did, we just kept rolling with that because again,
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  it sort of gave us, you know, put something on our on our
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  plate on keep, just keep our work schedule going.
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  And, and so many others in the company had really had nothing
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  to do other than organize, reorganize the equipment maybe
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  or get ready for when the meet started again.
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  And, and there wasn't a lot for some of those production people
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  to do. And it just gave us an opening
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  to, you know, started started kind of a something, something
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  brand new, which was these interviews.
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  Keenan, you've seen it throughout the years here.
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  Has it kept its original kind of format and idea?
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  You know, things evolve, We evolve as people as we talked
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  about from the beginning of COVID to today in 2025, has it
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  kind of kept it or is that any iterations that have kind of
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  coming through? It's evolved.
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  It's evolved big time. I mean, we this, this last year,
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  we decided not use the Zoom platform anymore.
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  We're going to use this thing called Riverside.
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  And Riverside has been such a awesome tool for us to use not
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  only from an editing standpoint, but also like you could throw
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  these graphics in there that fixes your audio levels.
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  It, it evens everything out for you.
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  I mean, when I first initially introduced this to Doug, I can
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  see deer in the headlights in his face because he was like,
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  oh, this is something brand new. This is, I don't know if I like
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  this or not, but we both use it now.
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  It is an awesome tool. It is so easy and the like the
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  athletes, they, they, they find it easy to get on to as well.
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  Coaches as well, which that's the most important thing is
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  like, how can you get these athletes and coaches to access
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  something so that we can have these conversations with them?
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  And you know that ever since we started using Riverside in the
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  fall of I think 2023, it's blossomed and our like, we have
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  a backdrop now. Everything looks professional.
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  The only thing we're missing is like maybe some mics better than
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  that. Like it's it's looks a quality
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  in my opinion at least. Absolutely.
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  That's so cool. I love that.
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  You know, for us, for businesses, you know, we
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  manufacture all levels of track and field equipment and we have
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  a lot of different customers. You know, we'll have moms and
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  dads that will buy a discus for Christmas.
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  We'll have architects, general contractors, even athletic
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  directors. But our primary like who our
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  ideal customer profile, the person that we think about when
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  we create new products, market trade shows, etcetera is the
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  high school and college track coach.
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  That is who we are focused on and everybody else kind of gets
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  to go along for the ride. Good for you that you get to buy
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  a discus for Christmas, but I'm worried about Coach Holloway at
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  Florida. That's who I'm focused on.
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  Same can be said for our podcast that a lot of different people,
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  athletes, coaches, administrators, fans,
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  international, domestic may listen to our podcast.
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  But when you're thinking about the next guest and the type of
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  questions to ask, you're thinking about a specific ideal
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  listener profile. Who might that be for the die
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  stat discussions? I think I would consider that
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  just to be track fans, the people that are going to sit in
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  the seats at Hayward Field. You know, it's that's pretty
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  general question, but I think that that's what we're aiming to
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  do. We're we're hoping that there's
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  some news value in some of these interviews.
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  I know Keenan has one scheduled next week with a coach, with
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  coach at UCLA. And what what will you know,
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  we'll be able to ask her hopefully about the situation
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  Los Angeles this week and how that's affected her and her
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  team. We're hoping that when when we
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  do these, if there's some news value and that the track fans,
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  the track community is attracted to that.
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  Keenan, anything you would add on the ideal listener profile?
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  I mean, in this day and age of podcasts, which I feel like it
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  seems like anybody could do a podcast now.
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  You want it some entertainment value as well, like you want to
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  be able to get your audience attention.
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  And I, you know, I, I'm a big, big podcast.
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  So when it comes to like Conan O'Brien, like I love listening
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  to his podcast. He makes me laugh all the time.
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  Like you have to have some entertainment value just to be
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  able to get your audience to, to care about the podcast.
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  But as Doug said, like newsworthy stuff, like if I'm
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  going to talk be talking about Joanna Hayes next, next week, I
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  better be asking about what's going on down in LA and how
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  that's going to affect them. Like are they going to be able
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  to go to their meet next week up in Spokane?
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  Like are they going to be able to use their track at all this
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  outdoor season? Like how, how bad is this fire
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  really around Westwood? So you yes, you wanted like some
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  things on a serious note, but also you want to keep it light
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  and fun. And I think I think that's what
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  when you when you mix and match those together, that makes a
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  really good podcast. And you can you can go different
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  ways about that. I love that.
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  So now this next question is kind of A2 parter and I got two
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  people, so maybe it's a four parter.
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  I did a little bit of math back in the day.
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  So I want to know you've done 1000 plus episodes.
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  That is amazing. Which one each individually
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  here, which one has been your favorite?
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  So whether it was, you know, you get to define on how it became
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  your favorite. Just you've already like started
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  thinking like automatic like, oh, this was a lot of fun.
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  Which ones was your favorite? And then it's probably not the
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  same episode for this Next question is which ones Which one
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  has been the most popular? So the most downloads, so other
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  people have found value and interest in this, you know,
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  maybe your top 1-2 or three episodes.
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  So what's your, what's been your favorite and what's been the
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  most popular? Who wants to start?
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  I can start. I'm not sure I know which one is
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  the most popular based on views. I don't often see that
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  information. Honestly, I'm just moving on to
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  the next more, but I can I can think of a couple that are the
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  most memorable for me, that most enjoyable.
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  And one of them was, I think it was must have been 2021 Hobbes.
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  Kessler had just become a big deal, had run sub four in the an
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  indoor mile, I believe, and I was able to get him on an
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  episode with Jim Ryan, with Alan Webb and with Drew Hunter.
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  So I had the all four of them together talking about the
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  significance of being a high school sub 4 Miller.
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  And I know it was a it was, I think it was a pretty cool
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  moment for Hobbs to meet some of those guys and, and it was a
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  thrill to talk to all of them together.
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  That's pretty cool. That's a heck of a four by mile
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  right there too as well. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that would be that would be a dream team for sure.
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  Keenan, what about you? I don't know.
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  Are you Privy to this? Someone's got to have the stats,
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  and that's okay if you don't. Somebody else does out there.
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  The thing is like with our podcast, we don't have it on a
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  platform or anything. We it's just on our website at
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  dystat.com. So I mean, again, we would have
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  to go probably through the whatever, something back to go
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  checked behind the scenes to see what exactly it is.
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  But probably, you know, my, I have two that I really enjoyed
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  and actually two of them that just happened this last summer
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  because I haven't really done a ton of these when I, when I
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  initially got hired on, we had somebody else that did a lot of
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  them and give his flowers to, he did a lot of of die stat
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  discussions when he was with our with our team.
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  But my two favorites, probably 1 was with Shelby McEwen after he
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  got second at the Olympics and just talking about that jump off
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  and just the amount of grief that he got from people from not
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  taking the gold medal. But also we're hearing from his
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  side, it's like, I'm a competitor.
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  Like I'm going to try to go after this.
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  I'm not just going to have someone give it to me because
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  that's what he could have easily just done that.
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  And I respect that wholeheartedly.
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  But you know, there are people out there that are selfish and
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  want him to just take that gold medal.
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  But this is athletics. This is competition.
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  You it's, there's no ties. This is not soccer that there's
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  somebody that's first place and there's somebody that is second
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  place. That's how it should be.
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  That's how America is second. My other one was with Coach
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  Quincy Watts from University of Southern California and was able
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  to talk with him about not only how USC has done all over these
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  years and all that stuff, but like, you know, talking with him
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  about Kendall Ellis and kind of the situation that she was in
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  with the with the 4x4 at the Olympics where she basically was
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  told you're going to be running the four by four of the morning
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  of. And then 8 minutes before the
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  start of the actual final, you're not going to be running
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  it any. And you can already sense that's
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  from coach, Coach Watts. There was a lot of frustration,
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  a lot of anger with how USATF was able to do something like
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  that to an athlete. So those were really, really two
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  thought provoking conversations that I had when if anybody gets
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  a chance, go watch them both. I mean, they're both great
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  people. They're both great speakers.
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  But yeah, those are the two ones I really enjoyed doing.
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  I love that. That's really cool.
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  Now most of our listeners, they kind of come in and out of our
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  shows, right. A few probably have actually
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  watched all 1100 and something of of the episodes, but most of
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  them depending on the the time of the season, the the person
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  that you're interviewing that kind of come in and out.
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  But you guys have been behind the mic on every single one of
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  them in some form or fashion, what have you.
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  And you know, knowing that you guys come from a media
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  background here, what have you guys learned as being an
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  interviewer type podcast? It not necessarily, you know,
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  well, I learned about the Kendall Ellis situation, but you
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  know, hardware, software, interviewing skills.
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  You never ask an athlete this question.
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  No one wants to schedule a podcast after.
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  I don't know. I don't want, I don't want to
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  bias here, but what have you learned over these years?
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  A great question I had always begun with the idea that I
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  didn't really want to have I actually didn't really want to
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  have questions. I just wanted to flow into it
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  and have a conversation and just let the let the questions come
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  naturally and I think that that was probably and then I probably
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  had a few where I thought afterwards oh boy, I really just
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  dropped the ball. I didn't ask one of the things
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  that was definitely on my mind before the thing started right.
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  So I think there's a little bit of AI like I like going in
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  sometimes a little bit not married to the questions and
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  just just have a conversation. But but again, you do have to
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  cover some ground that maybe that was the basis for asking
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  them to join you anyway, right? So there's a little bit of a
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  back, a little bit of a, a balancing act, I think between
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  kind of like, you know, going ad Lib and just doing that for a
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  while and making sure that you cover all the points that you
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  wanted to. So, so I'm not kind of hearing
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  of like some self-awareness of like, you know, some people can
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  no notes and go and make it great.
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  And some people have to have full notes and go and make it
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  great. You're you're learning your kind
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  of self-awareness of like, OK, I don't need the extremes.
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  I need some guidance, but I like to have discussions.
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  That's a great thing to learn that helps in regular old life.
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  And we're working in business and at home and things like
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  that. That's really cool, Doug.
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  I'm glad you're able to see that in yourself.
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  I, and I will say one thing that I, that it's meant it's super
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  mandatory when you're talking to athletes is I got to have a list
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  of their PRS, their big moments. Like I need to be able to recall
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  that quickly and, and give, you know, again, it's a way to
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  connect with the athletes. And when you know what their
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  best times are, you know what their achievements are, you need
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  to be able to explain that, even if it's just in the introduction
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  or, or whether it's later in the interview.
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  You need that information like, you know, at your fingertips.
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  There's no guessing that kind of thing.
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  So that's something I definitely have.
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  You know, I probably learned that in the first six months or
• 20:40
  so. Hard to ask an athlete their PR
• 20:43
  when it's like, you invited me on your show.
• 20:44
  Shouldn't you know my PR like that?
• 20:46
  That probably got me on the show.
• 20:47
  Keenan, what about you? You've been doing this for now,
• 20:49
  for a little while. What have you learned as a
• 20:51
  podcast host here? It's because I'm young and I
• 20:54
  remember things a little bit better.
• 20:56
  This is not a shade to get Doug by any means, but no, I mean I
• 21:01
  you know, I'm kind of the opposite.
• 21:02
  Like I, I kind of just like, as Doug said, just go and have a
• 21:06
  conversation with him. Like I don't really necessarily
• 21:08
  have questions in front of me. I probably should at times with
• 21:11
  some particular things. But the nice thing is like it
• 21:14
  when you're recording on a computer, like you can have
• 21:16
  multiple screens on your computer and I like I'll have
• 21:19
  the athletes profile on my left. So in some ways like, yeah, like
• 21:23
  I do have some like idea, like I can general knowledge and look
• 21:26
  at to the side of my screen. But at the same time, like I
• 21:31
  kind of like ask the questions in my head before I even talked
• 21:35
  to the athletes. Just like, what am I?
• 21:37
  This is how I'm going to do it. Like I'll break it down and then
• 21:41
  I'll just, we just go about that interview and it's, I mean,
• 21:44
  it's, it sounds simple and it works for me and it's been
• 21:48
  proven to be effective. But yeah, I mean, it's, yeah,
• 21:52
  there's not much really to it for me, I guess.
• 21:55
  Now you ripped off what Doug said there.
• 21:57
  What about anything uniquely that you've learned throughout
• 21:59
  this process of becoming an interviewer for a podcast show?
• 22:03
  I've learned that if you don't come prepared, it's not going to
• 22:06
  be really good. I mean, I think Doug hit it, hit
• 22:09
  the nail on the coffin with with that.
• 22:12
  If you're not, if you don't know your, your, your audience, you
• 22:15
  don't know your, your person you're talking to, it's not
• 22:18
  going to be a good show. You have to know like at least
• 22:20
  something about who you're interviewing.
• 22:22
  And if you don't, then I mean, it's, it's like going into a, a,
• 22:26
  a test. Like if you, if you didn't study
• 22:27
  for it or prepare for it, you're going to do a horrible.
• 22:30
  Now, maybe some people are that smart and are going to do good.
• 22:33
  And some people are that smart and know the person maybe a
• 22:36
  little bit already and know how to talk to people.
• 22:38
  But if you don't study or do any sort of research, it's not going
• 22:42
  to be a successful show. Yeah.
• 22:44
  And I think the audience can feel that too, you know,
• 22:47
  especially on a audio only. It's like, you know, we lose
• 22:49
  body language and things like that.
• 22:51
  And it's well. And, and the guest could feel
• 22:53
  that too. I mean, the guest is like, why
• 22:55
  am I here if you don't even know anything about me?
• 22:59
  Like what's the point? Like I could be taking a nap
• 23:03
  right now. I could be doing something that
• 23:04
  productive through my life, but I'm here talking to this idiot
• 23:09
  that doesn't know what I'm who he is or who I who I am.
• 23:13
  So what's the point? Why am I here?
• 23:14
  That's. Right.
• 23:15
  I love it. I love it.
• 23:16
  All right, last two questions here.
• 23:17
  So now this, the second to last question is where the uniqueness
• 23:20
  maybe comes from here? So the next question is, so
• 23:22
  where can we find you? And typically it's your Apple,
• 23:24
  Spotify, YouTube, we're only on Dystat, correct?
• 23:28
  Or on Dystat or runner space, where would we actually go to
• 23:31
  find the show? Actually be on both, but they're
• 23:37
  all, they're all be on dystat.com and then you know,
• 23:41
  the clips of them will be on our social media channels as well.
• 23:45
  But yeah, we're not on any, we're not out on any other
• 23:48
  platforms. I know Runnerspace does have a
• 23:51
  YouTube channel. I don't know that our die stat
• 23:52
  discussions have have have made it over there yet, but.
• 24:00
  Keenan, you said they are. Yeah, yeah, they do.
• 24:03
  I mean, every time I've uploaded 1 and we send one to one of our
• 24:06
  social media guys, he'll upload them on YouTube.
• 24:08
  So yeah, a lot of our die stat discussions, you can find those
• 24:11
  on YouTube. Perfect.
• 24:12
  So we got die stat, we got runnerspace, and we have
• 24:15
  YouTube. Yeah, it's a run and it's a
• 24:17
  runner space YouTube page. No no dicat YouTube page, just a
• 24:20
  runner space one. Perfect.
• 24:21
  Yeah, You know, I thought it was important here.
• 24:23
  You know, I I'm a big podcast fan.
• 24:26
  I, you know, just up until recently used to teach a college
• 24:29
  class on how to create podcast and you know, I really have a
• 24:32
  much wider spance than just, you know, oh, on Apple podcast or
• 24:35
  Spotify etcetera, that, you know, videos are a form of that.
• 24:38
  It's content, it's content creation.
• 24:40
  So even though you may not have an audio only version of the
• 24:44
  Dyscat discussions, it was important for me to have you
• 24:47
  guys part of this this project. So I appreciate that you guys
• 24:50
  are are with that. You're on YouTube, you're on
• 24:52
  Dystat and you're on Runnerspace as well.
• 24:55
  Now, the last question and Keenan, you kind of already you
• 24:57
  gave us one. I'm going to ask you to maybe
• 24:59
  give us another one. But you know, we know that the
• 25:01
  average podcast listener listens to between 7:00 and 10:00
• 25:04
  different shows. I myself, I've got a running
• 25:07
  list of 10 and you know, they kind of come in and come off.
• 25:09
  I want to know what is your favorite podcast to listen to
• 25:12
  that isn't your own? And maybe, let's maybe say it's
• 25:15
  not even track related. So can you, you give us a little
• 25:18
  bit about the Conan show, which he's pretty funny.
• 25:21
  That's a pretty good one. What's your other maybe favorite
• 25:23
  one that you just, you just don't miss, right?
• 25:25
  Now I'm the anomaly. I don't listen to podcasts.
• 25:28
  I don't, I, I, I, I don't. I don't have a 7 or 10.
• 25:32
  Like Conan Conan's Sees a friend or whatever it's called is like
• 25:36
  the only podcast that I really listen to.
• 25:39
  I mean, it's I don't know what it is.
• 25:41
  I just listen to music in the car all the time.
• 25:43
  There's just, I don't know. I mean, maybe I guess if you, I
• 25:46
  listen to talk radio sometimes if you count that as a podcast,
• 25:49
  but really it's just like ESPN Radio and all that stuff.
• 25:52
  But I don't have really another podcast I'd listen to.
• 25:56
  So I'm the anomaly here. I.
• 25:58
  I told you I took a little bit of math.
• 25:59
  So if you listen to one and the average is 10, that means
• 26:02
  someone's listening to 20. And that's that's OK.
• 26:04
  That means we need a A1. So that's perfect.
• 26:06
  So Conan O'Brien, what? What is it?
• 26:07
  It's like Conan O'Brien needs a friend or something like that.
• 26:09
  Yeah, Conan O'Brien needs a friend, basically.
• 26:12
  I mean, I don't listen to like every week, but like I'll pick
• 26:14
  out random episodes. Like my favorite one was with
• 26:16
  Larry David and just Larry David was on talking about how certain
• 26:21
  parties need a party sheriff. And if the party sheriff like
• 26:24
  sees a conversation going on too long, like he needs to go
• 26:27
  intervene and say, alright man, we're done with this.
• 26:29
  Like he just takes him out of the party and just takes some
• 26:31
  point. And I kid like for 10 minutes
• 26:33
  straight. I could not stop laughing just
• 26:35
  from that entire moment just talking about the this this
• 26:39
  party sheriff. I'm like, where does he come up
• 26:41
  with it? Like Larry David is Larry David
• 26:43
  if he's in Curb You Enthusiasm or if he's on like SNL or he's
• 26:47
  just, I think he's just the same person in, in general throughout
• 26:51
  his entire life. Absolutely.
• 26:52
  Doug, what about you? What's you got?
• 26:54
  Any favorite podcasts that you listen to?
• 26:55
  Yeah, I would say my favorite podcast is The Midnight Miracle
• 26:59
  with Dave Chappelle. I just love Dave Chappelle to
• 27:02
  begin with. But his podcast, his podcast is
• 27:05
  with a couple of other guys and you know, there's, there's
• 27:08
  always a combination of of music and then sort of really deep
• 27:12
  conversations just about life that I find interesting.
• 27:17
  But I'm, I'm a little bit like Keenan, like I don't listen to a
• 27:19
  lot of podcasts either. Now my excuses I have, I have
• 27:23
  twin babies that are 18 months old here in the house and I
• 27:28
  spent a lot of my time playing with them when I'm not working.
• 27:32
  So and we're watching Coca Melon and Miss Rachel and things like
• 27:37
  that on, on, on, on the television.
• 27:40
  So I I don't have a lot of podcast time, but like I said, I
• 27:44
  do, I do enjoy The Midnight Miracle with Dave Chappelle.
• 27:47
  That's a pretty valid excuse, Doug.
• 27:49
  We'll let it go. That with two twins in the
• 27:52
  house, I don't know how you even listen to one podcast, my
• 27:55
  friend. So that's, that's very valid.
• 27:57
  OK, well. Full full disclaimer, I don't
• 27:59
  have twins so that's not my excuse.
• 28:02
  I'm just an old soul and you are.
• 28:04
  I guess I just haven't like, I guess I'm I'm 25 years old yet.
• 28:09
  I don't act like it sometimes I'm older than I.
• 28:13
  It's funny, as we've been talking to Keenan, literally in
• 28:14
  my head, I was like, Keenan's kind of an old soul in my head.
• 28:17
  So very good. You're exactly right.
• 28:19
  OK, Keenan, you introduced us to the party sheriff.
• 28:22
  Well, I'm going to be the podcast sheriff.
• 28:24
  So we, dear listener, we're done, right?
• 28:26
  You can see in your podcast app right now, this episode's pretty
• 28:28
  much over. So here is my challenge to you.
• 28:31
  Hit pause. Normally I've been saying, you
• 28:33
  know, use the same app that you're listening to right now to
• 28:35
  search for this podcast, but we don't do that.
• 28:37
  So as long as you're not in a car, go to your computer, you
• 28:39
  have your cell phone when you're in the house, go to what?
• 28:41
  What do we got? We have dystat.com.
• 28:44
  Is that correct? I hear, I see head shaking.
• 28:46
  We have runnerspace.com and then we'll be able to and you'll be
• 28:49
  able to see that. I'm sure there's a button or a
• 28:51
  search feature for die sat discussions or go on to
• 28:54
  runnerspaces YouTube channel and search in there and they'll have
• 28:58
  the Die Scott die stat discussions there a very popular
• 29:01
  to listen to YouTube, like at a desk, you know, want to open
• 29:03
  that open tab? So I love that you're putting
• 29:06
  them on YouTube. So here's my challenge.
• 29:08
  Go to either one of those three websites and look up the die
• 29:11
  stat discussions and go back. Here's how I kind of like to
• 29:14
  start when I'm looking at a new podcast or new show, if I'm
• 29:17
  going to like it or not, it's going to be hard to say, you
• 29:19
  know, go back to episode 1, right, and go all the way
• 29:21
  through 1000. I'm not going to put that on
• 29:23
  you, although I know someone's going to do that.
• 29:25
  But you heard their favorite episodes.
• 29:26
  That's kind of my, I like going to those episodes and listening
• 29:30
  like if they if it's their favorites, there's something
• 29:32
  special about that episode. So go back and listen to that 4
• 29:35
  by mile. That's what I'm going to call
• 29:36
  it. That seems like a really good
• 29:37
  one, Shelby. What an amazing athlete.
• 29:39
  Obviously, I can't, I'm going to go back and make sure I listen
• 29:42
  to that one because I want to hear about that competitive
• 29:44
  side. And then Q, what a great guy
• 29:46
  there at USC. Love him to death.
• 29:48
  Those seem like really great places to start.
• 29:50
  And then make sure you're hit. I assume we can't subscribe on
• 29:54
  the Dystat and Runner Space pages, but on YouTube we can hit
• 29:56
  subscribe and that way you're notified every time they put a
• 30:00
  new episode there. But go check them out.
• 30:01
  I hope it blesses you and your track fandom geekdom here as
• 30:05
  you're looking at different podcasts, different shows to
• 30:07
  watch. I hope it blesses you and guys,
• 30:09
  Doug and Keenan, thank you so much.
• 30:10
  Your blessing track and field and coaches.
• 30:12
  You know, it's my jam here as coaches typically enriching them
• 30:16
  with content of athletes and other coaches and situations
• 30:19
  like Shelby's and stuff that I think adds value to our world.
• 30:23
  And so I'm just so grateful for what you do and what you put out
• 30:26
  into the track and field world. So thank you so much for what
• 30:28
  you do and thank you for being here.
• 30:29
  Today. Thank you, Mike.
• 30:32
  Appreciate it.