Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Stephanie Mills On 'Hadestown' Show, Ken Page, Frankie Beverly, Sergio Hudson Connection + More
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
- 0:02Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
- 0:05Speaker 1: Morning.
- 0:05Speaker 3: Everybody is d j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the Gud.
- 0:09Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club Justice.
- 0:10Speaker 3: On maternity leave. So we have Laura LaRosa feeling and
- 0:14Speaker 3: we got a special guest in the building, the Icon
- 0:16Speaker 3: that just made Dion Cole stutter and shake. He was
- 0:19Speaker 3: saying all types of stuff, like you, gentlemen, Stephanie Mills, welcome.
- 0:23Speaker 4: He said, I need to want a lesson from you.
- 0:25Speaker 4: He said, I need to take a lesson from you
- 0:27Speaker 4: on how to, you know, be sexy.
- 0:28Speaker 2: I already told her that's gonna cut.
- 0:30Speaker 5: She's thirty two, so she got a long way to
- 0:32Speaker 5: go before she get to this level of sexy.
- 0:34Speaker 6: I'm sixty seven.
- 0:34Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
- 0:35Speaker 6: Oh yeah, see, I'm sixty seven.
- 0:38Speaker 7: Gorgeous.
- 0:39Speaker 6: Thank you.
- 0:40Speaker 5: Deon got this thinking a special call. He calls calls
- 0:42Speaker 5: him vintage Vintage Lady.
- 0:44Speaker 6: Yeah, he likes vintage.
- 0:45Speaker 8: Dan and I are friends, but I wanted to really
- 0:48Speaker 8: like jam him up.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Okay he did.
- 0:51Speaker 1: He was stuttering the whole time as he left, the
- 0:53Speaker 1: whole time I left.
- 0:54Speaker 5: When when when do you get to that level of
- 0:56Speaker 5: confidence you know where you just know you feel good
- 0:59Speaker 5: inside and it's all over.
- 1:01Speaker 8: I think in my sixties, I really like it was
- 1:05Speaker 8: like I didn't care what anybody thought. I wanted to
- 1:09Speaker 8: do what I wanted to do on my own terms.
- 1:12Speaker 8: Like fifty five, I'd say when I turned fifty five,
- 1:15Speaker 8: I was like, I'm doing what I want to do.
- 1:17Speaker 6: I don't care what anybody thinks.
- 1:19Speaker 2: And it really does get greater later, right, I.
- 1:21Speaker 8: Think, So I really do. I mean, at sixty seven,
- 1:25Speaker 8: I'm so confident. I feel like I could do anything.
- 1:29Speaker 8: You know, So I'm good.
- 1:31Speaker 2: I'm good absolutely.
- 1:32Speaker 1: Exephanie Mills still dating? Are you still outside dating?
- 1:35Speaker 6: Or I'm not dating?
- 1:36Speaker 8: No?
- 1:38Speaker 6: Well, I know I'm not dating.
- 1:39Speaker 1: And why not because.
- 1:43Speaker 8: I'm a very independent woman and I don't like knuckleheads
- 1:49Speaker 8: and men have a lot of game with them and
- 1:52Speaker 8: you know, Charlomar and go play with no games?
- 1:56Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you ain't gonna play. I think you said
- 1:57Speaker 2: I play games?
- 1:58Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, you know, Shalamar, because you know my
- 2:01Speaker 8: background and who I'm who, So I'm not going to
- 2:05Speaker 8: play any games. And if they don't want to come
- 2:07Speaker 8: right and be honest in a relationship, I think even
- 2:11Speaker 8: if they have another woman or whatever another situation.
- 2:14Speaker 6: I think they should be honest, and most men are
- 2:16Speaker 6: not because Olgie's like young girls.
- 2:21Speaker 8: They don't like girls like me. They don't like older
- 2:24Speaker 8: women like me. They think I'm too old, so they
- 2:27Speaker 8: like them young girls. And most men like high yellow
- 2:31Speaker 8: women like dark women.
- 2:33Speaker 4: So really, how did you or like now, if you
- 2:37Speaker 4: were to choose a date like your it's so high profile,
- 2:39Speaker 4: like how would you even handle that? Because it's a
- 2:41Speaker 4: different time of like you know, social media, people want
- 2:43Speaker 4: to be in the press.
- 2:44Speaker 8: I think i'd want a businessman, like a businessman, but
- 2:47Speaker 8: then their knuckleheads too, so I don't know.
- 2:49Speaker 6: Jesus, it's it's not like it it used to be.
- 2:52Speaker 6: Like Charlamagne's married. I date Scharman.
- 2:57Speaker 4: Talk about every day for the next three if he
- 3:00Speaker 4: wasn't married, I would.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Date show love Miss Mills.
- 3:02Speaker 9: Y'all know that.
- 3:04Speaker 1: No, no, no, he loves you.
- 3:06Speaker 3: I'm saying he was a little jealous when you came
- 3:08Speaker 3: in here and did that little thing to the.
- 3:10Speaker 5: Crazy you said a little bit, But everything everything you
- 3:17Speaker 5: said men don't like is what I like.
- 3:19Speaker 2: I like older women with Melanie.
- 3:22Speaker 8: Right, I just you know, the men that I would
- 3:26Speaker 8: date are married, you know, so they're taken and I'm
- 3:32Speaker 8: I'm I'm really a bore. I'm I'm a person that
- 3:35Speaker 8: likes to stay at home and just do simple things.
- 3:38Speaker 8: I'm not wanting to go to the parties and all
- 3:41Speaker 8: of that. I'm not her.
- 3:43Speaker 2: You've been in the You've been in the industry longer
- 3:45Speaker 2: than most of these people have been a.
- 3:46Speaker 1: Love I have.
- 3:48Speaker 6: Longer longer, because that was the wist. Fifty years ago.
- 3:51Speaker 6: I did The Wiz my first Broadway show. I was eleven. Yeah,
- 3:55Speaker 6: so I've been in the business my entire life. This
- 3:58Speaker 6: is all I know.
- 3:59Speaker 7: Wow, is it true you didn't even want to audition?
- 4:01Speaker 6: Oh I didn't.
- 4:02Speaker 8: I didn't because I had gone up for a lot
- 4:04Speaker 8: of things and I didn't get them.
- 4:06Speaker 6: So my mother met.
- 4:07Speaker 8: I actually went to the Wiz auditioning crime. My mother
- 4:11Speaker 8: made me because I didn't think I was going to
- 4:12Speaker 8: get it.
- 4:13Speaker 4: And your mom was like, what was her like motive?
- 4:15Speaker 4: It was just like this, she felt like I could
- 4:17Speaker 4: do it. My mother was definitely my sheer. She's not
- 4:20Speaker 4: here any longer, but I always feel her spirit. But
- 4:23Speaker 4: she was definitely one. I'm the spitting image of my mother,
- 4:28Speaker 4: you know in every way.
- 4:31Speaker 5: Yeah, well made you want to get back on the
- 4:32Speaker 5: broways this because you want to pronoun had Town haities town.
- 4:37Speaker 6: They came for me.
- 4:38Speaker 8: I was doing my tour and they said, we're really
- 4:42Speaker 8: interested in you coming back to Groway and I wanted
- 4:44Speaker 8: to do something different, and I said, I don't know
- 4:46Speaker 8: what Hades Town is. Let me go and see the show.
- 4:50Speaker 8: And I went to see the show. I fell in
- 4:51Speaker 8: love with the music.
- 4:53Speaker 6: The cast is wonderful, but eight shows a week, it's
- 4:55Speaker 6: very hard.
- 4:56Speaker 1: I was going to say that, how you deal with that?
- 4:58Speaker 2: That's a lot.
- 5:00Speaker 6: I'm on stage the entire time.
- 5:03Speaker 9: You know.
- 5:03Speaker 8: Andre Deshiels, my original Whiz, won a Tony for this role.
- 5:09Speaker 8: So when we went to see the new opening of
- 5:11Speaker 8: The Wiz, he was there and I was like, he was.
- 5:13Speaker 6: Like, you should do this. And then when I saw
- 5:15Speaker 6: him last night because I did the Black Theater gala.
- 5:18Speaker 8: Last night, which was wonderful. It was just a wonderful experience.
- 5:23Speaker 8: I told I asked him, I said, why didn't you
- 5:24Speaker 8: tell me how hard this show was?
- 5:26Speaker 6: Because I'm on my feet, They're two and a half hours.
- 5:29Speaker 2: Did you want to give up at some point?
- 5:31Speaker 6: I'm not a quitter.
- 5:33Speaker 8: It was but I but I must say, this is
- 5:35Speaker 8: the hardest thing I've ever done. Doing Haiti's Town is
- 5:38Speaker 8: the hardest thing I've ever done because it's a lot
- 5:40Speaker 8: of uh uh script.
- 5:43Speaker 6: I have a lot of words, so it took.
- 5:45Speaker 8: It was challenging, and once I got it, I got it.
- 5:48Speaker 8: And still sometimes I'll mess up a little bit, but
- 5:50Speaker 8: the casts just keep going on and we go to
- 5:52Speaker 8: the next thing. But now I really really got it.
- 5:55Speaker 3: So eight shows a week's away, eight shoe like you
- 5:58Speaker 3: just you got to be in bed until your time
- 6:00Speaker 3: because you've got to be tired.
- 6:02Speaker 8: You know, you ain't got time to date. I don't
- 6:06Speaker 8: have time for social life, not now. I don't have
- 6:09Speaker 8: time to date. And if I was dating, I would
- 6:12Speaker 8: need someone very very understanding, you know what I'm saying.
- 6:15Speaker 8: They would have to understand my schedule and and what
- 6:18Speaker 8: I do. And then I still have my son and.
- 6:20Speaker 6: All of that.
- 6:21Speaker 8: But I sleep, I sleep, and I soak my feet.
- 6:25Speaker 6: Yes, run your bas for you. I know you would
- 6:32Speaker 6: come on, young boy and he can give me a massage.
- 6:34Speaker 6: Would massage my feet, That's what I would need.
- 6:37Speaker 8: Yep, And you play missus hermez, Missus Harmonys.
- 6:40Speaker 2: Missus hermez. Yes, what's that about?
- 6:44Speaker 8: It's Greek mythology, Hades is the devil uh, and there's persephony.
- 6:50Speaker 6: I have a wonderful cast Philip uh uh based Uh.
- 6:56Speaker 6: What's Philip's last name?
- 6:57Speaker 9: Oh?
- 6:57Speaker 8: But Philip yolo maya uh Jordan's. It's a wonderful cast.
- 7:03Speaker 8: But I'm the storyteller. I'm telling the entire uh story
- 7:08Speaker 8: about what's getting ready to happen and what's going on.
- 7:12Speaker 6: So I'm the story now.
- 7:13Speaker 5: Now you know you're a spiritual person, Miss Mills, did
- 7:15Speaker 5: you feel like, Okay, I don't want to I don't
- 7:17Speaker 5: know if I want to do this role because of
- 7:19Speaker 5: Hades and Satan and all that.
- 7:20Speaker 8: I felt that way, and I didn't know how Pops
- 7:23Speaker 8: would feel about it, but I felt that way. But
- 7:25Speaker 8: I said, this is acting and it's challenging, so I'm
- 7:29Speaker 8: gonna do it.
- 7:30Speaker 2: Did you did you ask the minicine?
- 7:31Speaker 9: No?
- 7:31Speaker 6: I didn't ask. You know, sometimes you know how you
- 7:35Speaker 6: don't want to ask.
- 7:37Speaker 1: What do you think?
- 7:38Speaker 9: You know?
- 7:39Speaker 1: Daughter?
- 7:39Speaker 9: You know?
- 7:40Speaker 6: But I think he would love it.
- 7:41Speaker 2: I think he.
- 7:42Speaker 6: Would like it, but for what it is.
- 7:44Speaker 8: You know, he always appreciates what creativity and what you do.
- 7:48Speaker 8: But I really am enjoying it. I plan to come
- 7:51Speaker 8: back to do my own.
- 7:53Speaker 6: Show in a theatrical way, my own concert show in
- 7:56Speaker 6: a theatrical way.
- 7:57Speaker 2: Ooh, so like like make your songs like a script, yes.
- 8:01Speaker 8: Make my sounds like a script, and and do a
- 8:03Speaker 8: whole thing like probably next year, and.
- 8:06Speaker 2: Tell your story from start to finish.
- 8:08Speaker 8: Yes, wow, yes, wow, yes, yes, not everything, but like,
- 8:12Speaker 8: just tell the story about how I survived, because I
- 8:15Speaker 8: feel so grateful to survive, but so many One of
- 8:19Speaker 8: my friends just passed last night, Campaid, who was the
- 8:22Speaker 8: lion lionis, Oh my god, and I just hi, yes,
- 8:27Speaker 8: I just saw him Charlamagne.
- 8:30Speaker 9: I like, you.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Canna call him Leonard, call him Leonard.
- 8:37Speaker 8: But I just saw him like two and a half
- 8:38Speaker 8: weeks ago. And I always say, you don't know when
- 8:41Speaker 8: the last time you're gonna see somebody, so you have
- 8:43Speaker 8: to love on people when you see them.
- 8:45Speaker 1: Absolute.
- 8:45Speaker 5: How does it feel when you when you see your
- 8:47Speaker 5: peers passing away, like like cam paid like.
- 8:50Speaker 8: I it's devastating. You know, Hinton Battle passed away, who
- 8:53Speaker 8: was my scarecrow. It's devastating because I'm like, oh, my God,
- 8:58Speaker 8: and my next you know what, you know, because I'm
- 9:01Speaker 8: getting of age and I always tell my niece, you know,
- 9:04Speaker 8: you got to take care of things when I'm gone,
- 9:07Speaker 8: and I know we got to cross that path. So
- 9:10Speaker 8: I really just try to enjoy myself, love on people,
- 9:14Speaker 8: be kind to people, and get those people told that
- 9:17Speaker 8: get smart with me.
- 9:18Speaker 4: Is that why you started thinking about putting the musical
- 9:20Speaker 4: of your Life together? Was because of those thoughts and doing.
- 9:24Speaker 6: A concert and put it.
- 9:25Speaker 8: And I wanted to come back to Broadway, but I
- 9:27Speaker 8: wanted to do it. Hades is an eight time Tony
- 9:30Speaker 8: winning show, so it was coming back to a Broadway
- 9:34Speaker 8: show that had been on Broadway for five years. The
- 9:37Speaker 8: Wiz was on Broadway for five years and The Wiz
- 9:39Speaker 8: won seven Tonies back when they were on, So I
- 9:42Speaker 8: was happy to come back into a hit show.
- 9:45Speaker 4: How is the climate on Broadway now for black actors
- 9:47Speaker 4: and black performers better?
- 9:52Speaker 6: No, I don't think so.
- 9:53Speaker 1: I don't think has been good though.
- 9:56Speaker 8: I think fifty years ago it was better. I think yeah,
- 10:00Speaker 8: And when The Wiz was on Broadway, I think it
- 10:02Speaker 8: was better. I think Broadway is ran like a corporation now.
- 10:06Speaker 8: It's more about the show. It's not about individuals. You know,
- 10:09Speaker 8: they don't want stars. They just want people to enjoy
- 10:12Speaker 8: the show. So no, it's not better.
- 10:14Speaker 3: I was going to ask, do people respect Broadway actors
- 10:17Speaker 3: and actresses like they should. I don't feel like they
- 10:20Speaker 3: get the respect or or the kudos that those actors
- 10:23Speaker 3: and actresses do, because you guys do a lot of
- 10:26Speaker 3: shows in a short period of time, and unlike movies
- 10:29Speaker 3: or sitcoms or even going on tour, this is a
- 10:31Speaker 3: totally different thing.
- 10:32Speaker 8: I don't think that we do get the respect. I
- 10:35Speaker 8: don't think that Broadway actors get the respect, not from
- 10:38Speaker 8: their peers and not from the producers of Broadway shows.
- 10:42Speaker 8: I don't think they respect that's the way they should.
- 10:45Speaker 2: I don't how do black performers get that respect.
- 10:50Speaker 6: I don't know if we'll ever get it. I think
- 10:52Speaker 6: they see us in a different light. I think that.
- 10:57Speaker 8: If this is the thing, I was doing it in
- 11:00Speaker 8: view a couple of years ago, maybe two or three
- 11:02Speaker 8: years ago, and.
- 11:04Speaker 6: One of the girls said, well, we just have to
- 11:06Speaker 6: keep trying. I'm like, I'm sixty some years old. I've
- 11:10Speaker 6: been on Broadway since I was eleven.
- 11:12Speaker 8: How much longer do we have to try? How much
- 11:14Speaker 8: longer do we have to change?
- 11:16Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
- 11:17Speaker 8: So for me asking me, who's been on Broadway, why
- 11:22Speaker 8: hasn't it changed? I think in twenty twenty four, it's
- 11:25Speaker 8: worse than it's ever been.
- 11:26Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Wow, trying to hear. Wow.
- 11:31Speaker 5: How did you feel when you heard about the death
- 11:33Speaker 5: of Frankie Beverly and Tito Jackson.
- 11:36Speaker 6: Well, you know, the Jacksons are like my fat absolutely.
- 11:40Speaker 8: I just you know, Tito was just on stage what
- 11:44Speaker 8: a day or so ago before that, two days ago.
- 11:47Speaker 8: It's very very hard because I'm still here and it's
- 11:53Speaker 8: very hard to see my piss because I've done shows
- 11:56Speaker 8: with Frankie Beverly and he was so kind to me,
- 11:59Speaker 8: and he's such a Frankie wasn't a pop act.
- 12:04Speaker 6: He was an icon.
- 12:05Speaker 8: He had a cult following. No matter which show he did,
- 12:11Speaker 8: it sold out. But he wasn't on pop radio, you
- 12:14Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So he really set a standard up.
- 12:17Speaker 8: You don't really need all of that. Just be who
- 12:20Speaker 8: you are, do your show.
- 12:21Speaker 6: He was. He was amazing, and it's sad. It's sad
- 12:25Speaker 6: to me. I still think about Whitney.
- 12:26Speaker 8: I was talking about Whitney this morning, and Michael I was,
- 12:30Speaker 8: and Prince It's like they should still be here, they
- 12:33Speaker 8: should not be dead.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Do you think before I let Go it was the
- 12:36Speaker 1: biggest song in our culture?
- 12:39Speaker 9: Yes?
- 12:40Speaker 3: Yes, I was having that argument with Charlamage. I was
- 12:43Speaker 3: like this, I don't think there's anything bigger that goes
- 12:46Speaker 3: past generations.
- 12:47Speaker 6: No.
- 12:49Speaker 8: No, And I still don't think he got the credit
- 12:51Speaker 8: and and the and the respect that he needed.
- 12:55Speaker 6: I think the song was the bigger. Did you think so?
- 12:58Speaker 7: I think so certain people for certain generations.
- 13:04Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
- 13:05Speaker 7: But yeah I didn't know. I knew I knew who
- 13:06Speaker 7: he was, I didn't.
- 13:07Speaker 4: And when I said I knew who he was, like,
- 13:09Speaker 4: I knew his name, I knew the song, but I
- 13:10Speaker 4: didn't know what he looked like.
- 13:12Speaker 8: Well, before I did verses, a lot of people didn't
- 13:14Speaker 8: know those songs.
- 13:16Speaker 2: I sang, that is true.
- 13:17Speaker 9: You know.
- 13:18Speaker 5: I think it's because when you were younger, you hear
- 13:20Speaker 5: the music that your parents are playing, but you don't
- 13:22Speaker 5: necessarily see the artists, right, but you.
- 13:24Speaker 7: Guys played in my house by my mom all the time.
- 13:26Speaker 7: Really yeah, what, yes?
- 13:28Speaker 4: But I didn't know until I started working in entertainment,
- 13:30Speaker 4: and then I started digging.
- 13:31Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, so this is who that person is?
- 13:34Speaker 6: Right, because now I'm oldie.
- 13:36Speaker 8: No.
- 13:38Speaker 1: Social You gotta think about it.
- 13:40Speaker 3: The only reason I knew who you were was because
- 13:42Speaker 3: I was a DJ, and when I'm blending the records,
- 13:44Speaker 3: your face is on the covers.
- 13:45Speaker 8: Right.
- 13:46Speaker 1: But if if you don't, if.
- 13:48Speaker 3: You're not a DJ and you're listening to the music,
- 13:50Speaker 3: you know the I being up, but you don't know
- 13:51Speaker 3: what the person looks like. Social media comes around. Now
- 13:54Speaker 3: you can actually see what your favorite artist looks like.
- 13:56Speaker 6: That's true.
- 13:57Speaker 2: Mine came from looking at the albums.
- 13:59Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, because is either the Jew
- 14:00Speaker 5: boxing my dad a little sugarshack, or just somebody would
- 14:03Speaker 5: have the album and y'all would be on the front
- 14:04Speaker 5: of the alphice.
- 14:05Speaker 6: Yeah, you've always showed me love, absolutely always from day one?
- 14:10Speaker 2: How are you not show Stephanie Millers love? Who don't
- 14:12Speaker 2: show Stephanie mill love?
- 14:17Speaker 8: My god son, he told me, don't you go in
- 14:20Speaker 8: to breakfast club talking's.
- 14:22Speaker 1: Start no ship this time, that's I don't start this time.
- 14:28Speaker 6: Joe Hudson, That's what he said. Mother, don't you go
- 14:30Speaker 6: in there.
- 14:32Speaker 2: You're supporting the vice president too.
- 14:34Speaker 6: From supporting Camp all the way.
- 14:37Speaker 9: Why?
- 14:38Speaker 6: Because I think we need a change.
- 14:40Speaker 8: I think women are powerful. I think she's intelligent. I
- 14:44Speaker 8: think she will make a difference in this time we
- 14:47Speaker 8: had a woman in there.
- 14:49Speaker 6: I voted for Hillary Clinton.
- 14:51Speaker 8: So you know, I want Kamala to get in there
- 14:54Speaker 8: because if we don't, I'm moving to another country. I mean,
- 14:58Speaker 8: I'm getting out of here. I don't know if I
- 15:00Speaker 8: could take four years. Yeah, you know that's hard.
- 15:03Speaker 6: Well, I mean, they'll have us picking cotton.
- 15:06Speaker 2: Damn.
- 15:07Speaker 6: I really do think that. I mean, they will take
- 15:09Speaker 6: us back. What that that twenty five?
- 15:12Speaker 2: What's that project?
- 15:15Speaker 9: Yeah?
- 15:16Speaker 6: I mean I think I've been in stores.
- 15:19Speaker 5: I'm just watching surgery to see if he getting nervous.
- 15:21Speaker 5: He's sitting up.
- 15:24Speaker 6: He's like, okay, here she go, she go.
- 15:28Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good.
- 15:30Speaker 8: But I think that there's so much Like I was
- 15:34Speaker 8: just in the store yesterday and people were reaching. I know,
- 15:37Speaker 8: I'm little, okay, but people were reaching all over me
- 15:41Speaker 8: and not saying excuse me. And I had to tell somebody,
- 15:44Speaker 8: excuse me would be nice. Excuse me. I'm not invisible.
- 15:48Speaker 8: I'm standing here. You know, so there's a lot of
- 15:52Speaker 8: that going on, and you really have to like back
- 15:55Speaker 8: people up. I'm not the kind of person that's I'm
- 15:58Speaker 8: not passive at all, and I've never been good at
- 16:01Speaker 8: brown nosing. I will be professional, i will do my job,
- 16:05Speaker 8: but I'm not going to kiss your ass.
- 16:07Speaker 5: I feel like that's probably kept you out of trouble
- 16:09Speaker 5: in this industry though you think so, yeah, because I
- 16:11Speaker 5: think a lot of times the situations that people end
- 16:13Speaker 5: up in is because they too busy wanting to brown knows.
- 16:17Speaker 2: These people who may take advantage.
- 16:19Speaker 8: That is true, And the bottom line is, no matter
- 16:22Speaker 8: how much you brown nose, you're never their friend.
- 16:25Speaker 6: You're always entertainment. I don't care who you are.
- 16:29Speaker 8: That's just a fact. I've been to enough parties to
- 16:32Speaker 8: see that that's what we are. When they invite us
- 16:35Speaker 8: to parties, we are the entertainment and they want to
- 16:37Speaker 8: tell their friends, Oh, look I can have so and
- 16:39Speaker 8: so at my party.
- 16:40Speaker 6: Look so and so is here.
- 16:41Speaker 2: That's all you are how weoure the industry. Parties. Back then,
- 16:45Speaker 2: Studio fifty.
- 16:46Speaker 6: Four was wild, you know. Michael and I went to
- 16:49Speaker 6: Studio fifty four a lot together. Studio fifty four was wild.
- 16:53Speaker 2: And you imagine Michael Jackson and Stefanie Mills walking up
- 16:55Speaker 2: in the club. Do you'll have security? Yeah, okay, okay.
- 16:59Speaker 8: Yeah we had secure, But at Studio fifty four, you
- 17:01Speaker 8: really didn't need security because I mean, Mick Jagg or
- 17:04Speaker 8: David Bowie, Stevie.
- 17:05Speaker 1: Want everybody with somebody.
- 17:07Speaker 8: Everybody was somebody, so you didn't need security. But you know,
- 17:11Speaker 8: I've been to parties, but I always knew when to lead.
- 17:14Speaker 8: But I never went to risk a parties. I never
- 17:16Speaker 8: went to parties that I thought, oh, I don't.
- 17:19Speaker 1: Know, ain't going to freak offs, right, even though I had.
- 17:22Speaker 8: I was at one party that was a freak off
- 17:24Speaker 8: and somebody invited me into the bathroom when I declined.
- 17:28Speaker 8: But you know, you just have to know when to
- 17:30Speaker 8: say no.
- 17:31Speaker 6: But if you want to be in it, you're gonna
- 17:33Speaker 6: do everything.
- 17:34Speaker 2: Then Washington said the same things you said. He said,
- 17:36Speaker 2: you have to know when to lead.
- 17:37Speaker 8: You have to know when to lead when it starts
- 17:40Speaker 8: getting late and people start taking off their clothes.
- 17:43Speaker 6: You know it's con.
- 17:45Speaker 3: Now you did mention we saw the sergerio in the back,
- 17:48Speaker 3: Jie Hudson.
- 17:50Speaker 9: This.
- 17:52Speaker 4: You I was.
- 17:56Speaker 7: I was like I saw, I was like.
- 17:58Speaker 6: He's starting, because this is what's Jill said.
- 18:00Speaker 8: He said, Mom, you're too much like a mom. I
- 18:02Speaker 8: want you to be more like you were in an age.
- 18:05Speaker 8: I said, well, I don't have the body that I had,
- 18:07Speaker 8: and so this is all.
- 18:11Speaker 1: So how did y'all get out? How did y'all know
- 18:12Speaker 1: each other? Cause as soon as he walked in, this
- 18:14Speaker 1: went over.
- 18:14Speaker 10: Here was like last night he was at the gala
- 18:21Speaker 10: with me and those women when they see him, they're like,
- 18:24Speaker 10: I want.
- 18:25Speaker 6: Your clothes, I want your clothes.
- 18:26Speaker 4: But because he's doing it for us in the guture world,
- 18:31Speaker 4: to get your chair, sorry to blow your spot.
- 18:34Speaker 7: Up, because he does. He does camel everybody.
- 18:38Speaker 8: He does Michelle, he does Beyonce, he does Oh you did?
- 18:44Speaker 2: Did you do the vps? That glittery dress?
- 18:49Speaker 8: But he did wore that burgundy coat that everybody wanted
- 18:55Speaker 8: for the inauguration of who was that?
- 18:59Speaker 6: Joe Biden's? He did first Ladies.
- 19:02Speaker 1: So how did y'all get up? How did y'all meet
- 19:03Speaker 1: each other?
- 19:04Speaker 11: I when I did, I did my first New York
- 19:07Speaker 11: Fashion Week show, So I grew up pretty much upstairs
- 19:11Speaker 11: with Stephanie Mill's like most millennials that grew up in
- 19:16Speaker 11: the late eighties, and I used all Day, all night
- 19:21Speaker 11: in my first New York Fashion Week show and a
- 19:23Speaker 11: clip went viral and somebody tagged her to it and
- 19:27Speaker 11: she messaged me and I messed her back and she
- 19:30Speaker 11: was like shot that I missed her back, And so
- 19:34Speaker 11: she was shooting a video or something.
- 19:36Speaker 9: I said, I'll come out and I started for the.
- 19:38Speaker 11: Video and she didn't believe me. And I showed up
- 19:40Speaker 11: in Charlotte and we shot the video.
- 19:42Speaker 1: And you're from South Carolina.
- 19:43Speaker 9: I'm from South Carolina.
- 19:44Speaker 2: You're from South Carolina. I never knew that.
- 19:47Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm from right outside of Columbia, a little town
- 19:49Speaker 11: called Ridgeway. Yeah, my mom is from Charleston. So I'm
- 19:53Speaker 11: born yeah Mount Pleasant.
- 19:55Speaker 5: Wow.
- 19:56Speaker 2: Yeah I was born Most Corner.
- 19:58Speaker 1: Yeah, but go ahead.
- 19:59Speaker 5: So yeah, Hutchings from Widgred Talk, Carolina. I had no
- 20:02Speaker 5: fucking idea. You know, he was a real person. You know,
- 20:05Speaker 5: you see names on clothes, you know, you don't think
- 20:08Speaker 5: that now.
- 20:13Speaker 7: Like I literally I saw you from the door. I
- 20:15Speaker 7: was like.
- 20:18Speaker 4: To me, you got like you what you were doing
- 20:21Speaker 4: with Lawan Smith is doing? Like, oh, y'all, you guys
- 20:23Speaker 4: are just like y'all, you're really doing it right now,
- 20:25Speaker 4: and I know that that world is tough. And you're
- 20:27Speaker 4: so like you have Kim at your show. You you're
- 20:30Speaker 4: dressing Michelle Obama like you are. Just you're still so
- 20:33Speaker 4: like us.
- 20:34Speaker 6: He's iconic, yes, and he needs to get his due.
- 20:37Speaker 2: And you young, you only what forty forty?
- 20:40Speaker 9: Yeah, so we met that and we haven't been separate
- 20:43Speaker 9: since you.
- 20:44Speaker 8: Haven't been set and he's staying with me at my
- 20:46Speaker 8: apartment in New York.
- 20:48Speaker 2: Wow.
- 20:48Speaker 11: Wow, Yeah, I come home from work every day and
- 20:50Speaker 11: we watched it.
- 20:53Speaker 2: On two things. I want to know.
- 20:54Speaker 5: Tell me how you got to put on to Stephanie
- 20:55Speaker 5: caause you are young, right, So how did you get
- 20:57Speaker 5: put on to Stephanie at a young.
- 20:58Speaker 1: And I know you're a little nervous, but you got talking
- 21:00Speaker 1: to the mic. Can you fix the mic so he
- 21:01Speaker 1: doesn't have to bend down?
- 21:02Speaker 2: I don't know how to fix this, I know.
- 21:05Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, there you go.
- 21:08Speaker 9: So you know, I was a very visual child at
- 21:11Speaker 9: four years old.
- 21:12Speaker 11: I just remember watching bet and like something in the
- 21:17Speaker 11: way you make me feel. And I was obsessed with
- 21:19Speaker 11: fashion at a very very young age.
- 21:21Speaker 9: And I remember something in the way you made me feel.
- 21:23Speaker 11: She had on this Patrick Kelly's suit in the white
- 21:26Speaker 11: suit she wears in the beginning. He was a black designer,
- 21:29Speaker 11: like the first black designer to be sanctioned by the
- 21:31Speaker 11: City of Paris, and she had him on in the
- 21:34Speaker 11: video and I knew it. I was like, oh, my
- 21:36Speaker 11: god like and she was always like she was just
- 21:38Speaker 11: so inspirational to me.
- 21:40Speaker 9: Her and Anita Baker, all these women.
- 21:42Speaker 11: You know, you grow up loving these women, and I
- 21:46Speaker 11: was very influenced by her just because of the way
- 21:49Speaker 11: she looked like it was everything to me. And then
- 21:51Speaker 11: when she would come on Apollo and sing and the
- 21:53Speaker 11: crowd would go crazy.
- 21:55Speaker 2: It was just a different era and an of real talent.
- 21:59Speaker 11: Yeah, and then you know they matched the talent with
- 22:03Speaker 11: the beauty and they were always so pulled together and
- 22:05Speaker 11: so classy, and you aspired to be those type of people.
- 22:11Speaker 11: And I just feel like it was a different era,
- 22:13Speaker 11: and I still yearned for that era.
- 22:15Speaker 9: So that's why I.
- 22:16Speaker 11: Kind of like designed the way I do and style
- 22:19Speaker 11: women the way I do, and I creative the rect
- 22:21Speaker 11: for a lot of people.
- 22:22Speaker 8: He's creative director for Stevie Stevie Wonder Wow and Stevie's coming.
- 22:27Speaker 6: To New York.
- 22:29Speaker 9: W Yeah, So it's just kind of like, you.
- 22:30Speaker 1: Know, you call her mom, So y'all, y'all have a
- 22:33Speaker 1: close special.
- 22:34Speaker 9: You call my godmother.
- 22:35Speaker 2: You know, if you hang around for whe counts, you
- 22:37Speaker 2: become the fifth.
- 22:39Speaker 4: It's there, like he really is, and a lot of
- 22:43Speaker 4: what you do and like you still have a really
- 22:45Speaker 4: good pulse on what's happening in the world. How do
- 22:48Speaker 4: you still keep up with what's happening all the time
- 22:50Speaker 4: because you are booked, like you with everybody all the
- 22:53Speaker 4: time everywhere you hanging with Stephanie meals like, but you
- 22:55Speaker 4: still know who's relevant. But you also know like you
- 22:59Speaker 4: kind of guard your brand in a way where it's
- 23:02Speaker 4: not guarded, but it is like it has that old
- 23:03Speaker 4: school you've got aspire to be.
- 23:06Speaker 7: You know, how do you do that?
- 23:08Speaker 11: I love my people, So if anybody black is doing anything,
- 23:12Speaker 11: I'm going to know what's going on. And you know,
- 23:15Speaker 11: I'm I just I have this vision of a world
- 23:19Speaker 11: in fashion where we aren't just black designers, we aren't
- 23:24Speaker 11: just black entertainers, where we are entertainers and we're designers.
- 23:29Speaker 9: For the world first, and we just happen to be black.
- 23:34Speaker 11: So in order to do that, you have to normalize
- 23:37Speaker 11: your people that look like you in this in those spaces.
- 23:41Speaker 9: This is my mission.
- 23:43Speaker 7: Are you going to be are you not?
- 23:45Speaker 4: You're not dressing or costume anything on Broadway right now
- 23:47Speaker 4: for her, Michael.
- 23:52Speaker 8: But Michael is a designer for Haities who was a
- 23:55Speaker 8: wonderful designer. But when I come back to Broadway, he
- 23:58Speaker 8: will be doing myfe Michael, why don't.
- 24:00Speaker 1: You do men stuff? You don't do much.
- 24:02Speaker 9: I just launched men and this past fashion Week.
- 24:06Speaker 1: Past fast Week, so to be in store soon.
- 24:08Speaker 2: Yes, okay, can we dot anything?
- 24:10Speaker 1: Yes?
- 24:11Speaker 2: Yes, Okay.
- 24:12Speaker 5: Listen, you have to tell me how you made it
- 24:14Speaker 5: out of Ridgeway, Southculine. When I tell you Origuay is
- 24:16Speaker 5: a small town, like my town is small. But we
- 24:18Speaker 5: got seven well we got eleven thousand people now probably
- 24:21Speaker 5: more y'all only got like two hundred.
- 24:24Speaker 11: It's like, my mom is from Charleston, Okay, and she
- 24:30Speaker 11: moved to Ridgeway because my grandmother married a man that
- 24:34Speaker 11: was from there, and so my mom grew up in
- 24:36Speaker 11: you know, the metropolis that is Charleston, South Carolina. The
- 24:40Speaker 11: mother is a pastor, she's the culture and you know,
- 24:43Speaker 11: so I always knew about what was going on in
- 24:45Speaker 11: the world. I was in the country and on the farm,
- 24:48Speaker 11: but I knew what was going on in the world,
- 24:51Speaker 11: and so I just kind of never abscribed to you
- 24:54Speaker 11: have to stay in a little town.
- 24:56Speaker 2: How did you get your break though? Like? What was it?
- 24:58Speaker 2: What was it?
- 24:59Speaker 9: It was a lot of work.
- 25:02Speaker 11: Long story short, I've worked really hard, dressed a lot
- 25:05Speaker 11: of celebrities.
- 25:05Speaker 9: That led me to.
- 25:08Speaker 11: Inauguration in twenty twenty one, and that really was the
- 25:12Speaker 11: shifting moment for me when Michelle Obama wore my clothes
- 25:16Speaker 11: to the body of inauguration and it kind of like
- 25:19Speaker 11: took over everything, and I was like this, it was
- 25:23Speaker 11: very unexpected because we were trying to be low key,
- 25:26Speaker 11: because we were like, Okay, she's not the first lady anymore.
- 25:29Speaker 9: Let's just put in some pants.
- 25:30Speaker 11: It's keep it low key, it's not about her, and
- 25:33Speaker 11: it just kind of all about her.
- 25:35Speaker 6: Yes, that coat was fire.
- 25:37Speaker 5: Congratulations yeah, man, congratu working with an icon like Stephanie Mills,
- 25:42Speaker 5: Stevie Wonder.
- 25:43Speaker 1: And there's an icon himself, man, absolutely and young.
- 25:47Speaker 8: I feel so privileged that he dresses me and he
- 25:50Speaker 8: goes with me, and because when people see him like you.
- 25:53Speaker 6: They're like, yeah, they do.
- 25:57Speaker 9: No.
- 25:57Speaker 11: Last night at that galap I was just like trying
- 26:00Speaker 11: to care her dress and her shoes and people stopping me.
- 26:03Speaker 11: I'm like, I'm working, like you know, I just I
- 26:06Speaker 11: get in like god some mode when I'm with her,
- 26:08Speaker 11: and I kind of forget who I am most of
- 26:11Speaker 11: the time because to me, she's just so iconic and
- 26:15Speaker 11: so slept on and so underrated that I kind of
- 26:20Speaker 11: like want people to see, you know, what I see
- 26:23Speaker 11: and what I feel like people that are around my
- 26:25Speaker 11: age saw at that time. But what I love about
- 26:29Speaker 11: her is the realness and the willingness to retreat from
- 26:33Speaker 11: the industry and not have to be defined by that.
- 26:37Speaker 9: So that's what I love and what I don't want.
- 26:40Speaker 3: How difficult was it for you because I mean you
- 26:42Speaker 3: didn't come under streetwear right like most people come up
- 26:45Speaker 3: the streetwhear you cametre, which is almost impossible because it
- 26:49Speaker 3: takes a lot of money, it takes a lot of experience,
- 26:51Speaker 3: and they say that is like.
- 26:53Speaker 1: Fighting through the mold white men, and you were able.
- 26:55Speaker 2: To do this.
- 26:56Speaker 11: I mean, I have no fashion sense. It's more I
- 27:02Speaker 11: do what I do, is I do? It's ready to wear,
- 27:04Speaker 11: which is luxury fashion, you know, like with solden Burgdorf, Saxs, Avenue,
- 27:08Speaker 11: Nema markets.
- 27:11Speaker 9: It's hard to.
- 27:12Speaker 11: Be completely honest because fashion is not unlike any other industry,
- 27:17Speaker 11: you get compartmentalized. If you're black, you're expected to make
- 27:20Speaker 11: urban clothes, You're expected to be weird, You're expected to
- 27:23Speaker 11: like I'm not expect when I walk in the room.
- 27:25Speaker 11: People don't expect me to be the person that dresses
- 27:28Speaker 11: the first lady like they expect the old white man.
- 27:33Speaker 11: And so the time, I feel a lot of pushback
- 27:37Speaker 11: from the industry because I don't fit the mold of
- 27:40Speaker 11: what they think in American sports web designers should be.
- 27:43Speaker 11: But that's what I'm fighting against to normalize us in
- 27:47Speaker 11: different places because we're not a monolith. We're not one
- 27:50Speaker 11: type of We don't do one type of thing in
- 27:52Speaker 11: every industry. And that's it's very much like that in fashion,
- 27:56Speaker 11: Like if you're and it's kind of like they have
- 27:59Speaker 11: their picks. It's like this is the black design that
- 28:02Speaker 11: we're promoting this year. You're not that person because you
- 28:05Speaker 11: don't fit the mold. You don't make hoodies, you don't
- 28:07Speaker 11: make shogging pants, you don't do that, So you don't,
- 28:11Speaker 11: we didn't sanction you. And because I came in, I
- 28:14Speaker 11: think when I came into the industry and it kind
- 28:17Speaker 11: of blew up, it was I kind of came through
- 28:19Speaker 11: a back door dressing Michelle Obama and it just kind
- 28:23Speaker 11: of took over and the you.
- 28:25Speaker 6: Know, KY came into the modeling world.
- 28:28Speaker 11: Yeah, and they kind of like, yeah, I mean, they
- 28:31Speaker 11: don't like when you don't go through the proper functions
- 28:35Speaker 11: get there, especially when and then you're black too.
- 28:38Speaker 9: So but I don't really care. God, yeah, I don't care.
- 28:42Speaker 9: And that's what my mom always said. She said, no man.
- 28:44Speaker 11: I you know, I grew up in the church and
- 28:47Speaker 11: my mom always told me, no man will ever take
- 28:50Speaker 11: the credit for your success. And I never understood that
- 28:53Speaker 11: meant until I actually entered this industry, and I kind
- 28:57Speaker 11: of came up through a way that I don't think about.
- 29:01Speaker 2: How are you picking you to work with?
- 29:03Speaker 5: Like when you look at Stephanie Mills, you said, you
- 29:04Speaker 5: know what, this is what I want to put on
- 29:05Speaker 5: on her today?
- 29:06Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's not even a question. With people
- 29:09Speaker 11: that influenced.
- 29:10Speaker 2: Me, that's your muse in a lot of ways.
- 29:11Speaker 11: Yeah, like you know, but newer people like I work
- 29:15Speaker 11: with Kiki Palmer a lot. We went to the met
- 29:18Speaker 11: Galla together and we just kind of click and I
- 29:21Speaker 11: was like, you know, I love what you're doing. I
- 29:23Speaker 11: love what you're promoted. And we kind of just started
- 29:26Speaker 11: like kind of like working together. And after we started
- 29:31Speaker 11: working together, like three months later we were on the Answers.
- 29:33Speaker 11: Covered was just like, because we just click and I
- 29:38Speaker 11: like people who are doing what I'm trying to do
- 29:41Speaker 11: in their different industry.
- 29:42Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, So.
- 29:43Speaker 3: That's kind of what congratulations I love. I've seen him
- 29:47Speaker 3: sit over there. I'm like, this is not let's let's
- 29:49Speaker 3: bring on. I have to ask you got a new
- 29:51Speaker 3: record out, yeah with ray Chu?
- 29:54Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she like Dougie Fresh.
- 29:56Speaker 10: Yeah, yes.
- 30:00Speaker 3: It I just I just just got and we're gonna
- 30:02Speaker 3: play this morning.
- 30:03Speaker 2: This morning.
- 30:04Speaker 5: I want to ask you about is your laugh performances
- 30:06Speaker 5: gonna be on the twenty.
- 30:07Speaker 1: Talk us about the record.
- 30:09Speaker 8: Well, it's so funny because rach Chu sent me the
- 30:12Speaker 8: record to see what I thought about it, and I
- 30:14Speaker 8: was like, I like this, Raychee. I said, this is
- 30:16Speaker 8: really nice. I said, who are you gonna get to
- 30:18Speaker 8: sing it?
- 30:18Speaker 6: He said, I'm hoping you'll sing it. So we just
- 30:21Speaker 6: went in the studio and I just he flewted Charlotte.
- 30:24Speaker 6: I went in and I sang it and that was it. Yeah,
- 30:27Speaker 6: simple as that, simple as that.
- 30:29Speaker 7: Now you only doing music now, and that like you
- 30:31Speaker 7: feel like that about.
- 30:32Speaker 8: I'm only doing music when I feel like it. Yeah,
- 30:35Speaker 8: I'm already when I.
- 30:36Speaker 9: Feel like it.
- 30:37Speaker 2: And your LAFE performance is on the twentieth.
- 30:38Speaker 8: My last performance is October twentieth and Hades Town.
- 30:42Speaker 2: I gotta come see it before that.
- 30:43Speaker 6: Please come here.
- 30:44Speaker 2: It's Thursday through Sunday.
- 30:45Speaker 6: Right, No, Tuesday through Sunday.
- 30:48Speaker 4: Jesus, Yeah, it was Monday off, honey on Mondays.
- 30:52Speaker 9: What are you doing? Like?
- 30:53Speaker 7: Are you sleep all day?
- 30:55Speaker 1: All day?
- 30:56Speaker 6: And Sergio?
- 30:57Speaker 8: We there watching Law and Order and Netflix in every
- 31:01Speaker 8: movie we can, I don't move, do you hear me?
- 31:04Speaker 8: I'm telling you be singing a symphony?
- 31:07Speaker 5: If you learned her, Jill, what have you learned from
- 31:09Speaker 5: miss Mills? When y'all are sitting around having them Netflix
- 31:12Speaker 5: and Chills?
- 31:12Speaker 2: What have you learned?
- 31:14Speaker 11: I think because I'm so actively in the industry and
- 31:18Speaker 11: I have to do things that she had to do,
- 31:21Speaker 11: it's refreshing to, you know, come home and be like,
- 31:24Speaker 11: oh God, this happened today, and she just she'll tell
- 31:28Speaker 11: you like, look, don't pay them.
- 31:39Speaker 5: She was like, Okay to theash, that's why I were
- 31:48Speaker 5: to save your life surgery.
- 31:48Speaker 2: I'm telling you, don't listen to these niggas. That's her model.
- 31:54Speaker 6: I tell them.
- 31:54Speaker 8: I'm like, don't listen to them, because I've never really
- 31:58Speaker 8: I used to listen to them up until my thirties,
- 32:01Speaker 8: and then I was like, y'all are crazy.
- 32:03Speaker 6: I ain't listening to y'all. Y'all don't know.
- 32:05Speaker 8: I know myself better, so listen to I always tell him,
- 32:09Speaker 8: listen to God, like your first mind, when your instincts
- 32:12Speaker 8: tell you to do something, that's God talking to you.
- 32:15Speaker 6: And that's what I tell him.
- 32:16Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, and God whispers too, and he
- 32:19Speaker 5: don't repeat he she don't repeat herself.
- 32:21Speaker 2: You know, it's whisper and she don't repeat herself. But
- 32:23Speaker 2: these niggas loud and constantly.
- 32:27Speaker 6: All the time and saying all the wrong. Lord have
- 32:30Speaker 6: mercy and will give you bad advice.
- 32:32Speaker 9: And laugh at you.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Right, we appreciate you for joining us this morning.
- 32:36Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely go check out Hayestown out right now
- 32:39Speaker 3: in Broadway, and then you know.
- 32:40Speaker 8: At the Will at the will Walter Kerr Walter Kerr Theater,
- 32:45Speaker 8: Walter Yeah, at Tuesday from Saturday.
- 32:48Speaker 6: I'm there until October.
- 32:49Speaker 2: Twentyth I'm coming next week.
- 32:51Speaker 9: You have to go.
- 32:53Speaker 6: It's amazing, it really is.
- 32:55Speaker 8: The music is wonderful and it's Greek mythology, so you
- 32:58Speaker 8: have to know about Orpheus Hades Posephony.
- 33:03Speaker 6: You know the story. It's a love story. It's tragedy,
- 33:05Speaker 6: but it's a love story. But it's wonderful.
- 33:08Speaker 8: I mean, I really am enjoying it, but I'm ready.
- 33:11Speaker 2: To go home.
- 33:14Speaker 3: Well, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, Miss Stephanie Mills, Sergio Hudson,
- 33:16Speaker 3: thank you so much.
- 33:18Speaker 1: And it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass
- 33:20Speaker 2: Up Earth in the morning for Breakfast Club.