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- Morgann Paul: Welcome to the other sixteen hours, a podcast about who you are outside of your job title. Rachel Hawley: We are two industry pharmacists, former fellows and friends navigating ambitious careers without losing ourselves in the process. Morgann Paul: We spend eight hours, sometimes more, in meetings, working on projects and giving presentations. Rachel Hawley: But it's the other 16 hours, how we train, rest, build relationships, fuel our bodies, and figure out who we are outside of work that make up so much of who we really are. Morgann Paul: On this podcast, we'll talk about fellowship journeys, industry life, protecting your workouts like meetings, rest skill, performance, personal growth, and everything in between. Rachel Hawley: If you're ambitious but multidimensional, if you care about your career and your life, you're in the right place. Hi everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the other 16 hours. Morgan Paul: Well who? Rachel Hawley: I am with woo-hoo. Last week Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: was a solo episode and it was a little lonely, so I'm excited that Morgan and I are back together for this week's episode. Morgan Paul: Yes, guys, I'm back. Rachel's episode was awesome. If you didn't go listen to it, go listen to it. I give her so many props for recording a solo episode. I simply I started recording one and I was like, mm, I might need to bring somebody on the pod with me. But anyways, Rachel Hawley: Ha. Morgan Paul: her episode was awesome. Go check it out. I think it does a great job Rachel Hawley: thanks. Morgan Paul: of showcasing Like what it looks like to actually be a beginner no matter where you are in your career or whatever else you're going to be starting doing. It's okay to be a beginner. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Yeah, I was just telling Morgan the hardest part about well, there's multiple hard parts about recording a solo episode, but like the one is like the lack of banter, just being able to go back and forth. Like when you're recording with someone else, it truly is a conversation and you can bounce ideas and topics off one another and it feels just a lot more effortless versus when you're by yourself, like you literally just feel like you're talking to yourself and you get lost in your thoughts and you're trying to listen to what you're saying and you're like, that sounded stupid or weird or that didn't come out right. And then listening back, I'm like, okay, this wasn't as bad as I thought it was, but like I I thought I was gonna listen Morgan Paul: In the moment. Rachel Hawley: back and it was gonna sound like a different language. Like I had no idea what I was saying. So I will if the ti if Morgan Paul: Yeah. That's so funny. Rachel Hawley: it's necessary, like I'll I'll definitely do it again. But I agree with you. Like if our schedules don't align and we like have to record solo, like maybe I'll just I'll just find a friend or find someone random to sit down and and chat with. Morgan Paul: Yeah, guys, and if you like the solo episode, let us know. Give us a like. Give us a give us a rating. Rachel Hawley: true. Morgan Paul: We're really we're really trying to get this podcast off the ground and so anything that you guys can give us is appreciated. Rachel Hawley: Don't just give us a rating, give give us a five star rating. Morgan Paul: Yeah, yeah, my bad. No no zero stars. I mean if you have zero stars come to us in the DMs first and let us know why you don't like it. Rachel Hawley: Give us feedback on the side, yeah. And tell us how we can improve and then we'll Morgan Paul: Yeah, yeah. Rachel Hawley: fix it and then give us a five star rating for demonstrating improvement, please. Please and thank Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: you. Morgan Paul: Okay, so this week we're gonna be talking about more of work trip things, but I think we're gonna take a little fun spin on it and talk more about like our work trip favorites, right? Because since we travel a lot, there's a lot of things that you need to do when you travel. And if I know anybody, I know that a lot of people love traveling, but they Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: hate the prep for it. And so we are gonna walk through some of like our like work trip fun favorites, like what we put in our bags, et cetera, and kind of just yap about how we're on the road all the time. Rachel Hawley: Exactly. I think eve we've been doing this for what, like three plus years each, and I still do not feel like an expert at it. and I that's it's something I always like to hear from other people is like what their strategies are for packing. I think like work travel is especially hard. A lot of times if you're going to a conference or an internal work meeting, they like the the attire that they give you is so vague and people like Morgan Paul: So bag. Rachel Hawley: yeah, like they'll be like Genes are okay. And I'm like reading too into it. I'm like, so does okay mean good? Does okay mean bad? Does that mean like should I pack jeans? Should I not? And you know, we there's some other like like ASHP is coming up in a couple of months for those that are going to be traveling to Orlando for residency and fellowship, like showcases Morgan Paul: Yes. I will actually be there. Rachel Hawley: and interviews. You're gonna be there. I might be there. Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: Since it I might I have like a lot of work travel or a lot of PTO that I just need to use. And I was like, maybe I will just use it, but then go down to Orlando and see friends and old colleagues and like sneak in a trip to Disney or something. So okay, well now that I know that you're gonna be there. Morgan Paul: No, do it. I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be there like Sunday through Tuesday, think. So Rachel Hawley: Okay. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. We will talk about that on the side. Put that put a put a pin in it. Yes. Morgan Paul: Okay, plot plotting that, but putting that in the side request box. Rachel comes stay at HP. Yes. okay. Rachel Hawley: And like I think also there's been a transformation or a change over time in like just workwear in general and what is acceptable. I I don't know if COVID was kind of the inflection point. Not that I was ever like working in a professional setting prior to COVID, but I remember growing up and my mom would go into the office and They would have casual Fridays. And it was like Friday was the day that you could wear jeans. But every Morgan Paul: Yeah, yeah. Rachel Hawley: other day, you know, you were expected to be in more dress clothes. And now I feel like that's changed. Like at least at in my office, you'll see people wearing jeans any given day of the week. And obviously they they look nice. but I think there's just been a change over time in in what's acceptable. And like I don't mind that. Like I I love wearing jeans. So I think Morgan Paul: No, I think jeans within moderation, like if same with me, when I was at the office, I would wear jeans and like a blazer or jeans and a nice shirt. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: And I I I guess I can share this now and we can talk about it later if we get to it. But like my favorite tip to give people is like dress from the bottom up. And I told my manager that one Rachel Hawley: Ooh. Morgan Paul: time and she literally she laughed at me, but she every time I see her in the office, she's no longer my manager. But She's always like, I dress from the bottom up now. And I was like, Yeah, because your shoes are like super important because you have to walk in them all day. So then anyways, the Rachel Hawley: Yeah. I like that advice. My brain is like spinning right now and I'm trying to think because there are so many shoes that I think are so cute, but I I dress from the top down and I'm like picking out a shirt first and then it Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: really it can it limits my options for a shoe and I'm like, why do I never wear these shoes? So I'm gonna take that strategy and like literally looking at my closet right now. Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: and trying to think of what what I could piece together. I do think jeans, like a flare jean or like a baggy jean with a heel and a blazer is Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: So cute. Morgan Paul: that is I sometimes Rachel Hawley: Ha Morgan Paul: still wish I went into the office so I could dress up more during the day. I mean I could, but it would just be me and no, it'd me and these four walls of my office that would see me. So the good news is since I travel for work I try and do that. But I feel like the caveat before I go down a complete like different way is that you can't really wear jeans to a conference that you're meeting with Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: other people. But okay, before we get into that, yes. you said you dreps from the top down. So I want to I want to hear more about that. Rachel Hawley: I it's been a journey. Like I have been trying to build my wardrobe for years, and I've said this on a previous episode, like the idea of building a capsule wardrobe. Like I've really been trying to focus on buying staple pieces. In my mind, those pieces are more neutral. So whites, creams, navy, blacks, Tops that can go with a variety of bottoms, vice versa. And yeah, I feel like I typically start with like a top and whatever the top's silhouette is then informs the bottom. But again, then that sometimes starts to limit Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: the bottoms that you can wear. And and then I just try to think of like a practical shoe or a shoe that could go with it. But again, that just leaves out shoes that I have that I don't wear as often. So Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: I'm I like your idea of thinking it from the opposite direction and yeah, seeing like how I could build outfits in a different way in that sense. I just got back from a work trip to Atlanta and it was an internal meeting and Morgan Paul: Mm. Rachel Hawley: they told us that like jeans were fine. So I wore like either like dark navy jeans or like black jeans, most of the time while I was there. Morgan Paul: One thing I think that we should plug here is that we're not we're not saying like wear jeans with holes in them, guys. They should be like normal jeans. Rachel Hawley: no, no, Morgan Paul: Like I I just want to be clear. I feel like sometimes I see these things on social media, either like Rails or TikTok, where it's like, this is office siren. And I was like, first of all, I didn't even know what office siren was until I had to leave Google it. It's basically like you're wearing out. Rachel Hawley: Wait, I need to look this up. I can imagine though. Morgan Paul: You're wearing an outfit that's like, you know, from the Aritzia like cover page or and they're Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: like in a mini skirt and this cute blazer with like tights like that are maybe Rachel Hawley: Yes. Morgan Paul: a little bit more scandalous. And I'm like, okay, yes, this is off Saturday. Yeah, look it up. Rachel Hawley: my boss, at this meeting, she got a new blazer from Aritzia. And Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: the girl, her like sales associate at Aritzia, like the person I was helping her, was like, You're not supposed to wear a top under it. Like you're just supposed to wear the blazer, and that is totally office siren, like just wearing the blazer with nothing under it, like that's what an office siren would do, and that's what Aritzia wants you to do. And she's like, Morgan Paul: gosh. Rachel Hawley: I can't just wear a blazer with nothing under it, like going to freaking work. gosh. So I just wanted to put that in there. so yeah, when we're Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Yeah. my gosh. No, I love that. Rachel Hawley: saying when we're saying jeans, it's it's nice jeans and they're tasteful. Morgan Paul: They're like jeans that are comfortable to be in all day. You're likely going to be sitting all day long. And so you don't want to be in these pants Rachel Hawley: Yes. Morgan Paul: that are just like so uncomfortably tight or that like have holes in them. Like that's a huge no no. same thing at my company, like pretty chill about jeans, but making sure that they're appropriate. Okay. Anyways, so you went to an internal meeting. Same with me with internal meetings. I feel like they're very, they're very much more chill. Now we both Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: also travel for a lot of external meeting or conferences or customer meetings, like all those things where you're meeting people outside of your organization. Talk about how Rachel Hawley: Yeah, professional conferences, customer meetings. Yep, yep. Very different dynamic. Yep. Morgan Paul: you kind of dress for those. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I think that's definitely business attire, like wearing slacks, dress pants. I think depending on if you have like a formal sit down meeting, in those instances I was de I would definitely wear a blazer or like a matching suit with some sort of blouse under it. And I think blouses are actually really hard to find that like work well under blazers, at least for me. Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: I feel like when I'm thinking about guys, like they could just throw on a button-down and throw on a sports coat or a jacket and it sits nicely, but I don't know. I think just it's hard to find blouses that sit nicely under a blazer. If you have any wrecks, I would love to hear them. But I think that's kind of the the vibe or the silhouette that I go for when at those external meetings. Skirts too. I think like a silk skirt, like a long silk skirt are really nice. And then shoes, I like for me, like what's practical is best. So I love wearing ballet flats or like a kitten Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: heel. but oftentimes you're walking around all day and Morgan Paul: All day. Rachel Hawley: You've I s you see people, women in particular that'll be in like very, very high heels and they're they can't keep up with the group or they're like looking Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: like they're just gonna fall over and I don't know. I just don't wanna look Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: like a bandy out there. Morgan Paul: Most of my coworkers are honestly men and so they don't take a ton of mind to love my coworkers, but they're usually like, All right, like we're gonna Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: go walk to get get lunch or something like that. And I if I'm not in flats, I'm screwed. I still dress from the bottom up from that perspective of like I make sure that my shoe is like my favorite piece of my outfit because, like you said, I have so many basics in my closet. Like I probably have close to every like neutral color blazer and neutral color pants. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: And so the one thing that I feel like I can jazz my outfit up is with my shoes. Rachel Hawley: The one other thing I'll say about like external meetings or conferences is that like I will see people that will just wear sneakers. Like they will be in like a full suit and then they will be wearing like a very sensible sneaker. just go with what you're most comfortable with and like what options you have, but like I will see a physician just in a very nice suit and then they have like a a Nike sneaker. and yeah. Morgan Paul: Yeah. And I think that that's totally fine. I always think about dressing like one like not to like this I don't want this to sound bad. I want this to sound like you're being professional, right? So when you are Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: dressing, if the dress code says jeans are okay, there will be people dressing jeans in jeans, right? But like Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: layer it up like one level, like wear slacks and a shirt or s slacks in a blouse, or I guess Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: if you're a guy, like Collard shirt and pants instead of like jeans and a shirt. Right. Like just like always do one level above. Rachel Hawley: That's good advice. What about like traveling to the airport or like on a flight? What do you typically what's your strategy for what you wear then? Morgan Paul: It's it's changed a lot in the past, like since I've been traveling more. I've been trying to move Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: my flights to where I like get in and like go straight to the meeting rather than like get there, Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: like check in and do all these things. But let's just say I would I would argue on most of my trips that I do either jeans in a blazer, like comfy jeans. Like I have these one jeans from free people that I wear rewear. all the time because they feel like sweatpants, but they're actual jeans Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: and sneakers. it could be my idea sambas if I want to dress them up a little bit more, or just Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: like a classic white sneaker. Or it straight up could be like my running shoes because that's the only way I can get them in my suitcase. Rachel Hawley: That's they don't fend the suitcase. You're like, I'm just gonna wear them. No, totally. Morgan Paul: Yeah. but I used to do always like blazer leggings and like a cute sneaker, like every single time Rachel Hawley: Mm, interesting. Morgan Paul: because I was like well, I wanted to be comfy. But since going like straight from the airport, usually to my conference or like wherever I'm going, I tend to s air on the gene side as of lately. How are you? Rachel Hawley: I think that yeah, I think that's very smart. I I would say I also do the same thing. another reason too is since I live like close to headquarters when I'm on a flight, whether it's internal or external, there are there are guaranteed going to be people, especially like leadership or executives on my flight as well. And Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: if I do see them, which I basically probably will run into them, like I want to be in clothes that are you know, that I'm comfortable in and that are that look put together. like I think I've I've like had friends that roll up in like a sweatset and then they're hiding in the corner. They're like Morgan Paul: no, no. Rachel Hawley: they're like trying to be, they're like, I can't be seen right now. So that's the other reason too. But yeah, from a Morgan Paul: Yeah. I I No Rachel Hawley: practicality sense, get up and go. Morgan Paul: Totally agree with you. I don't I don't advise a sweat set, guys. That's just not that's just not yeah, Rachel Hawley: That's her personal travel, yeah. Morgan Paul: and I mean I I love a good sweatset. I'm currently in sweatpants and like a quarter zip, but I feel Rachel Hawley: Same. Morgan Paul: like I just not for work travel people, like just don't do it. Some people do, some people will literally change at the airport in to like comfy clothes. And like that's that's Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: totally fine. I do have coworkers that do that. And I think that's great for them. I just have found that I feel so much better if I'm like it could be a customer that you're sitting next to or it could be like, yeah, Rachel Hawley: Exactly. Morgan Paul: nine times out of ten when I'm flying back to Chicago, there is somebody on my flight from my company that knows who I am. And so I just don't want to be caught in sweatpants. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, especially you get to the hotel, your room's not ready, you're in the lobby, people are like you're starting to see people that you know and like co mingle. Just yeah. Prepare. Yeah. Morgan Paul: Yes. Yes. At least be presentable. At least be presentable. that's that's my biggest piece of advice. okay. This is more for the girlies, Rachel Hawley: No, that that's great advice. Morgan Paul: but when you think about like makeup, skincare, and getting ready, I have like a like piece of advice that someone gave me that was in the field for a very long time. I guess I'll start with mine and then We can transition to a question for you. But the thing that I that they told me, which I don't do yet because it's just a lot of things, is like keep one full travel size bag of all of your skincare items and all of your makeup items. So like you don't even have to think about packing them. I don't travel enough Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: yet where I feel like it's the ROI is good for me to buy one of everything in like travel size. But that was like one piece of advice someone gave me is like make sure you or like have a bag that's like only your travel bag and you only use that stuff when you travel. For me, I think it's almost the caveat of like I travel too much that I want all of my stuff like with me. Right. So like I have my makeup bag and I have my skincare routine. But like That's one piece of advice is like people are like, just keep a mini of everything and then just throw that in a bag when you go so you don't have to worry about packing and unpacking all of your stuff. but Rachel Hawley: I feel like I kind of do that. Like I don't buy minis necessarily, but like when it comes to like products, shampoo, conditioner, my face wash lotions, like I just get the silicone travel bottles and just constantly refilling those. And like I never take that out of my travel bag. Like that that just sits there. Morgan Paul: Ooh. I like that. Rachel Hawley: the hotel that we were at this past week, I it had like nice products, but I feel like a lot of times the hotels don't have good products or like I'll wash my hair with their shampoo. I feel like it'll leave it greasier than it started or something like that. So I just prefer to have my own products and sometimes they don't come in a mini size or in a travel size. So I just like the like the silicone bottles that are like less than the three point four ounce requirement to just keep those things fill. And then like when it comes to makeup and stuff, I think I have a very simple minimal makeup routine. So when I like do pack it, it's does not take up a lot of space and it's basically just like what I use on a day to day basis. So Morgan Paul: Yeah, same here. I honestly I'm terrible at makeup. Not I'm not terrible at it, but like Rachel Hawley: Same. Morgan Paul: I'm I don't know what I'm doing. Like so n and no one asked me for my makeup routine, probably for no reason. Like but Rachel Hawley: Me neither. Morgan Paul: I also I hate wearing makeup like so much. Actually Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: I don't. I've grown to like it, but the minute I get home I am taking it off. it's gotta be gone. But I will obviously I wear it for customer engagements. And y'all, I do have a different makeup routine for when I'm on the plane versus when I'm on like when I'm going to meetings. So like I have like just like Rachel Hawley: Ooh, I want to hear about it. Morgan Paul: tinted sunscreen when I go. Like obviously I'll do my like vitamin C moisturizer. And then I just do a quick tinted moisturizer. I use the LTA MD one, which I love. I'll use that as my like daily one. And then I just do like a quick bronzer stick, like right cheek, left cheek, and then I'll do some blush and then that's pretty much it. Maybe a lip liner. Because I I hate I hate mascara so much. So I typically won't wear mascara on the plane, but I will maybe do like an under eye or something to like make sure I'm like alive and well. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. I know they say that you're like it's important to wear sunscreen or wear UV protection on a plane. Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: but that's like I that's what I wear daily too. Like I also do a instead of doing like a full coverage foundation, like I have not done that for a while. I just don't like that look on me. It just feels cakey and Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: not my not myself. So I too will use just like a tinted moisturizer or a C C cream that has some sort of SBF in it. And then Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: I do really like Merit products. Have you heard of those? Morgan Paul: Ooh, yes, I have. I actually only have like one thing Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: from them, but tell me more. I know your routine is like almost all merit, right? Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I like a lot of their stuff. They have like this complexion stick and I'll just do that. I literally did it this morning because I'm gonna go into work, but just like under my eyes, kind of like treating it like a concealer and like a little bit in Morgan Paul: Yeah, well. Rachel Hawley: my T zone, but I'll just use like the tinted moisturizer all over, but then use that for like a little bit of extra coverage. Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: I like that. They have a bronzing, a bronzer stick that I will use as well. I feel like their blush isn't the most tinted. It's really easy to put on. and like you really don't need brushes or like there's like only one brush that you need for all of this, which makes it really convenient. But I feel like Morgan Paul: Mm. Rachel Hawley: their blushes aren't the most pigmented. I really like the the rare beauty blushes where like a literal dot of it goes a very long way. So I'll do that. Morgan Paul: yes. Mm-hmm. Super long. Rachel Hawley: Yes. And then I feel like if you don't like mascara, just curling your eyelashes really Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: helps too. Morgan Paul: Yes, I forgot that. I I don't go Rachel Hawley: I have dark eyelashes. Morgan Paul: anywhere without curling my eyelashes. I could be like no makeup on Rachel Hawley: Yeah, that helps. Morgan Paul: and I will still curl my eyelashes and fluff my eyebrows. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, yeah. And then I've I'll I will use a mascara. I've recently switched to a brown mascara and I love that. I feel like the black was just too harsh. So brown helps. But then by the end of the Morgan Paul: Same, same. Yes, brown is like Rachel Hawley: day, my eyes are burning. So I'm like, get this stuff off of me. So Morgan Paul: Yeah. Okay. I actually have a good mascara that you may like that is also brown that doesn't burn my eyes. Because I was like Rachel Hawley: Ooh. Morgan Paul: going all day through conferences. This is how I realized I hated makeup because I would wear c makeup all day long at an event for work. And my eyes like would be so red. Like I had a coworker look at me and be like, Are you okay? And I'm like, No, my eyes hurt so bad. Anyways. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: I digress. So Thrive Cosmetics makes this mascara that I am obsessed with. And I feel like I don't know why I haven't talked about this more, but it's a Rachel Hawley: I've seen this, I think. Morgan Paul: brown mascara. And one, I love it. It makes my eyelashes voluminous enough. It doesn't make my eyes red or irritated. And it comes off like butter. Stayed on all day long, but comes off. So easily. Like I could like just w Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgan Paul: wipe my eyes with like water and it would like start coming off. it's interesting the way it comes off, but it's it's so easy and I I absolutely love it because I this this is this is a little type B of me, but I usually forget face wash when I go on trips, so I will just use Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgan Paul: the bar of soap, which is so embarrassing. But like I'm like, it gets it off because it's gotta come off. Like I can't Rachel Hawley: It's so yeah. Morgan Paul: Yeah, it's soap. But anyways, that mascara is my favorite one. It's a little bit pricier, but not in it's really like similar to most mascaras. It's just Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: the fact that you can't go pick it up in a store, which is annoying. So that's like the one barrier to it. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. I'm gonna have to try this. I just I use the L'Oreal Paris what is it called? Morgan Paul: Is it like the the gold one? Rachel Hawley: Yeah. the t yeah, the L'Oreal telescopic. And I do really like it because Morgan Paul: Yes, I used to use that one. Rachel Hawley: yeah, it's definitely not clumping. It just make I feel like it gives you a natural lash. But Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: by the end of the day, sometimes my eyes will just be like burning and watering and it's like I'll I'll just look like I'm sobbing and I'm like, I think I'm having a reaction to this. and something I've been hearing a lot about is tubing mascara. I I never knew what it was. And the one that you just recommended is a tubing mascara and it It says it's a specialized type of eye makeup that uses film-forming polymers to wrap around each individual eyelash in a tiny water-resistant sleeve or tube rather than coating lashes in a traditional wax and pigment paste. So maybe I don't know, hypothesizing, maybe that's why you tolerated it more. And I think that's also why it is so much easier to just wash it off with water compared to other mascaras. Morgan Paul: Yeah, no, it comes off. It does come off like when you were describing the way that it's made, it comes off that way too. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: Like it like comes off in like strands. So like when I take it off, I look like I'm sobbing. But it's it's like it doesn't bother me because I'm like, no one really sees this unless Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: I'm making like an on get ready with me video. So yes, but guys, if Rachel Hawley: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one sees the raccoon face. Okay. Morgan Paul: you have recommendations for mascara or just makeup in general, clearly Rachel and I are here for it. So drop them in the comments if you have them. Rachel Hawley: We need help. Yeah. And then Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: I think just like a I like the summer Fridays, just a little bit of color. I think that just helps brighten one's face. But besides that, like not doing a full beat. I don't know how to do that. Like Morgan Paul: No. Rachel Hawley: all the power to the people that know how to do incredible makeup, but that has never been and will never be me. And I've just accepted that and that's that's totally fine. And I I Morgan Paul: Same. Same. Rachel Hawley: love the five minute routine because yeah, time is time is money and Morgan Paul: Yeah, time is money when when you're at these conferences, for sure. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. And spend it doing different things. Morgan Paul: I was gonna pivot because I have a question on here that I'm like dying to ask you and it's what's your go to hairstyle for a work trip? Rachel Hawley: My gosh. I'm I also think I'm just similar to makeup. I got the most minimal hair is also my go-to. Both of us, I feel like, have pretty naturally straight hair. Like we're Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: we can see each other on camera right now. Like I washed my hair this morning and it's kind of puffy right now, but it's relative my hair's relatively straight, has a little bit of a wave to it. I have like the the Revlon, it's like a round brush. I think it's pretty horrible for one's Morgan Paul: Mm. Rachel Hawley: hair, but I've I don't dye my hair. I've never dyed my hair. I get haircuts frequently. I have relatively healthy hair. So I like to use that because you can get some good volume if you use it when your hair is damp and like just like get the nice curl or like roundness or like bounce at the end of it. so if Morgan Paul: Yeah. Do you flip out or do you flip in? Rachel Hawley: I I used to flip in, but then it would go, it would like flip out. So now I've actually been flipping out. And I Morgan Paul: wow, if you flip in, it flips out. This might be too much for me this morning. Sure. Rachel Hawley: I think just because my hair has this wave to it, it's gonna go whatever direction it wants to. And my hair is pretty thick. So I I kind of just do it both ways. Like I'll flip it in, then I'll flip it out, and whatever way the hair lands I like it to look like it has some movement. But Morgan Paul: Okay, yeah. goes. Totally. Rachel Hawley: that's usually the one thing that I'll bring. that round brush. So it's like blowing air onto your hair while you're Morgan Paul: Yeah, currently. Rachel Hawley: styling it. I also have one that doesn't blow air and it's just like a hot tool that has like the bristles, the round bristles to get the flip too. But most times like I will shower, like I'll work out in the morning and then I'll shower. So I need something that will like dry my hair and style it at the same time. And I have not invested in a Dyson, but I've thought about a Dyson or a shark for a while. Maybe Black Friday I'll I'll splurge. But I want to hear what Morgan Paul: The triggering. Rachel Hawley: you use. Morgan Paul: so it depends on where I'm going and how long I'm going to be there, what I pack, Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: which I feel like causes confusion. It should just be the same thing every time. But so for example, I'm leaving for a trip. I'm going to Scottsdale tonight. And I will bring my shark. I did get a shark off of Facebook Marketplace because I am a thrifty girl, because I was like, Rachel Hawley: smart. Morgan Paul: I need to know if I like this or not. I do really like it. I think I don't know how to use it as well as I'd like to. I've watched Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: a million tutorials. So if anyone has a good tutorial, please drop it in the comments because I feel like every time I do it, I'm like, well, that didn't work. So Rachel Hawley: Does your hair hold hold a curl well or no? Morgan Paul: it does, but I feel like I'm just not doing it right. People say my hair needs to be more wet, which that just gives me anxiety because I'm like, I know how damaging that is on like hair. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: So maybe I'm just like, I can't deal with the damage. Anyways, I bring my shark if it's going to be like a three to four day work trip. And I like it because the blow dryers in the hotel are just horr you never know what Rachel Hawley: Trash. Morgan Paul: you're gonna get. Yeah. To their trash. Rachel Hawley: That thing sounds like a a toaster with a piece of burnt toast in it. Morgan Paul: Yes, yes, it's scary. Okay, so I bring the shark particularly for that. And then of course I just bring my attachments just in case. I did just get Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: a round brush attachment for it off of Amazon because I couldn't find the actual shark attachment on the website that I could find. I think they like don't make it anymore. But that seems Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: to make my hair like what you were saying, like when you use your round brush, it makes my hair similar to that. And I really, really like that. And I do also have like the curling ones, but I will bring my curling iron in addition to that. I never go anywhere without Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgan Paul: my curling iron just because I don't trust myself with the shark yet. And typically Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: your hair needs to be wet. And my hair routine when I go on trips is hair wash day on like day zero when I leave. And then I will usually curl it before I leave. So I'll probably curl it today before I head out the door. And then I always pack a mini dry shampoo because I am like a five day hair wash girl, like typically. Yes. But it's a really interest I couldn't do it. It takes Rachel Hawley: Wow, that's so impressive. I wash my hair every day. My hair I know. Morgan Paul: too long. It takes way too long for me. Rachel Hawley: I think my hair is just so poorly trained. And I think maybe I touch it too much and it just I just it just gets greasy. But what dry shampoo do you use? Morgan Paul: So I've been loving the Living Proof ones. I I've always been a Living Proof girl. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I've heard about that. Morgan Paul: it's the like perfect hair day one. It just gets it actually gets all the oil. Like I really I use Orbe products for my shampoo and conditioner because that's what my stylist recommended. Rachel Hawley: Uh-huh. Morgan Paul: And they've been game changing. However, their dry shampoo, I'm sorry, Orbe, it's trash. It's so bad. No. Rachel Hawley: Not the best. Hmm. Morgan Paul: And then if I need to like get like a quick one, I'll just use like the clean freak, the green color one, because that one's always available at Target, which is nice. So that's that's I have a very regimented hair routine just because I know how to work with it not being washed. Like I don't wash it usually when I'm there. Rachel Hawley: No, I like that. I I feel like I see Instagram videos where it's like a full week. There's this one girl, she's a Pilates instructor, and she like day one is the hair wash day, and then she shows how she just maintains her hair for five days in a row and is like teaching hot Pilates every day. And I'm just so impressed by it. Morgan Paul: wow. Rachel Hawley: And I just need to I need to lean in and and try it because it would save me like a lot of time and probably be Morgan Paul: Wait, yeah. Rachel Hawley: better for my hair. Morgan Paul: Walk me through every day. Like, do you like what's your hair care routine then? You know, like what do you do every day when you shower? Or like when you wash your hair? Okay, Rachel Hawley: Shampoo and conditioner. Morgan Paul: so you I mean, I feel like that could be done I feel like that's doable for sure. I just like don't my hair just takes so long to dry. Rachel Hawley: You have a lot longer hair. And I think for a while I was doing like a ton of core power and I would just be dripping in sweat. And I'm Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: I'm like, I'm already showering. So I would just be like, I'm I might as well just wash my hair while I'm in here. It's not gonna take any extra time. But Morgan Paul: That's super fair. Rachel Hawley: It can be annoying with work travel. And I wanna try this. I don't know if I've tried Living Proof before, but also the crown affair. I feel like I've heard a lot of good things about that. It's like a Morgan Paul: Ooh. Rachel Hawley: non-aerosol, it's like a powder dry shampoo. So I wanna try that one too. Morgan Paul: Yeah. Yeah, Living Proof just came out with a non aerosol one and I really like it. But it goes on wet, which is very interesting. So it like looks worse before it gets better. Rachel Hawley: Interesting. Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Hair's tough. I like I like your strategy though. I would say the only other thing, like I always like half the time my hair will end up in in a clip or like half up, half down in some sort of clip. Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: and that's like the extent in which I style it. Yeah, some women will have like luscious curls every day, like all the power to them, but I'm just not at that Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: point yet. Morgan Paul: I yeah, I don't know. I don't think I can do that quite yet. But I I'm I'm there with you. Sometimes I feel like a little like styled look looks anyway when it comes to like packing like other things in your bag, like headphones. This morning you guys, I had to go through like three pairs of headphones before I could find some that were charged, which is another type B Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: personality trick of mine. think about like everything that makes your like work travel easier. Like what is like the one thing that you're like, I need this or I'm not gonna survive. Rachel Hawley: Ooh, I I feel like there's nothing groundbreaking. like I I if I forget my AirPods, then I'm probably doomed, but AirPods. Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: I don't know, I just like have like a little pouch that I got from the container store and that kind of holds all of my just like chargers, airpods, hand sanitizer. Morgan Paul: Ooh, Rachel Hawley: But one time I was in California and my whoop was about to die. And I have like a four hundred and fifty-day streak and I like overnight overnight shipped a whoop charger to the hotel because I didn't want to lose my streak. So now I have two whoop chargers, one that is always in my bag and one that is always at home. but that's a little bit insane of me. That's pretty much it Morgan Paul: That is so funny. I mean I I Rachel Hawley: though. I used to travel with a power bank. but now I feel like most airplanes that I'm on have outlets in them so I can just like charge my phone or my laptop if I need to. And a lot of times they're just heavy. So I w I just like don't bring those anymore. The other thing too From a just travel perspective that I've gone back and forth on is whether or not I bring my water bottle. Like again, like I use an Awala, it takes up a lot of space. Morgan Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: So sometimes I'll just get like a very large water bottle at like the airport Starbucks and just refill that while I'm there, just because it doesn't weigh as much and doesn't take up less space. But on Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: this most recent trip, I had my Awala and I was like, whatever, gonna carry this thing around. Morgan Paul: So I agree with you. I feel like lately like this is what happens. I put it in my bag and it doesn't fit because I've got too much stuff in it. And then I take it out and then I have this like panic moment where like I'm like a kid without their blanket. I'm like, no one's gonna go in there. Yes. Rachel Hawley: Comfort water, I need it. I know. Morgan Paul: But then you get to the airport and you have to empty it. And then Rachel Hawley: Exactly. But a lot of times I'm really bad and I will cut it very close to the like to boarding. Like I wanna I get there my boarding group is being called. Like I'm like walking straight through security onto the airplane. So sometimes I don't even have time to fill up my water or I'm like, I'll just get water on the plane. But yeah, I think I've always preferred when I just don't bring it and then just get bottled water and just refill that. Even though it's not as good for the environment, it's just a way to take up less space and like you said, it's just a hassle. Morgan Paul: Yeah. That is that is a hack for sure. anything else that Rachel Hawley: Do you travel with like a bag or do you travel with like a backpack? Or does it depend? Morgan Paul: I go back and forth. It depends. It depends. Everything depends. I Rachel Hawley: Yep. It's all dependent. Morgan Paul: I like to do backpack if I'm doing conference style things, but if I'm there for a few days, I don't want to check a bag. I have a base like weekender bag. I think it's like a mini weekender. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Morgan Paul: Because I don't think it's the full size one. But it has the compartment underneath that I can put my shoes. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: So I can get an extra pair of shoes in there and it just fits so much more stuff. But then I'm left bagless when it comes to walking around the conference. So it's always a Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: trade off of like what I'm gonna actually need it for. So like this weekend I'm taking Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: my backpack because I'm not staying at the hotel where the can like the actual conference is, and so I can't just go up and down the Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgan Paul: elevator, whatever. Rachel Hawley: Good stuff. Morgan Paul: but What about you? What do you do? Rachel Hawley: I also kind of toggle. I've been on I've been using a bag as like my personal item as of late. I had I got this like Quince leather bag and it's nice. It has three compartments. It like fits my laptop and that one is zippered and then it has like two other compartments that I can just put. lotion, my like notebook and I like that. But I do prefer a backpack because having a shoulder bag just really hurts my shoulder. my arm will just get sore by the end of the day. And when I have a backpack on, I just feel like I'm more I don't know, balanced and centered when I'm like walking around and carrying something heavy. But my backpack is like bright green and orange. it's very loud. Like I don't really have like a quiet backpack. and Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: it's cool. People like stop me and they'll ask me what the brand is, but I it's it's kind of a lot. So they go Morgan Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: back and forth. And then I'll pack Morgan Paul: We have like Rachel Hawley: a roller bag. And I have a I have a base roller bag Morgan Paul: Okay. Yeah. Rachel Hawley: and I complain about it a lot, but it's also like holding up pretty well. So I'm like, I'm not at the point of switching to a different brand for it. Morgan Paul: Like you had that story once and you were like said like XYZ about it, and I we only have like base bags and knock on wood, like I'm gonna jinx myself, but like they've Rachel Hawley: No. Morgan Paul: been so good. I will try I I haven't traveled with anything else probably in the past like three or four years, and that's like carry on. It's like our checked bags, and my boyfriend is not great with the bags, he will just chuck them around and like you know, like we have a Rachel Hawley: Just throwing it. Yeah. Morgan Paul: walk up. like at our house and he like takes it Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: on the handle and just like drags it down the steps and I'm like don't do that Rachel Hawley: my god. Morgan Paul: like I'm like freaking out but anyways I Just get a suitcase that is going to be durable is my best piece of advice. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel like phase is good. Some like the handle won't go down and get stuck for me, but I think it's a pure I think it's a personal problem in that I'm overpacking it and it's like getting warped. So that's on me. And like one time the zipper did break. it. Yeah. Morgan Paul: yeah yeah yeah. But you can like slam that thing shut. Rachel Hawley: so they have a good policy too. So Morgan Paul: Yeah, shout out base for the return policy. Rachel Hawley: Exactly. Morgan Paul: I have I think I have one more and then we can let let everybody go. Rachel Hawley: well, let's do it. Okay. Perfect. Morgan Paul: because this is controversial. So the the strong opinions Rachel Hawley: Ooh, let's hear it. Morgan Paul: is like your travel rituals when it comes to the airport. I know you mentioned like you get there super close to like boarding. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: so walk me through that like really quickly because I I'm the same way. I like get there so late. and it's just Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: I love walking up when they're boarding. Rachel Hawley: Same. Like if if we're talking about Learn with Libby, if you don't follow her, definitely follow her. She posted a reel about she gets to the airport two hours early. And Yeah, I'm the exact opposite. Like I live in East Boston, which is right next to the airport. So it takes honestly less than 10 minutes if there isn't any traffic to get to the airport. And I feel like Morgan Paul: Nice. Rachel Hawley: Logan's security lines are pretty short. I don't have clear. I just have TSA pre-check and like I have not been in a situation where I'm like, my gosh, I wish I had both. so there's usually no line. I get I walk straight to the gate. this most recent trip, I'm trying to get better at ordering Starbucks ahead because If I'm leaving in Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: the morning, I want to get a coffee. And Starbucks isn't my favorite, but depending on the terminal I'm flying out of, if there is a Starbucks, I'll order it ahead. And this most recent trip, I was flying out on Monday morning, ordered Starbucks ahead. Sometimes it still takes a little bit of time. I like need to remember to order it earlier. I was boarding group five and the gate was right around the corner from the Starbucks. And I was like standing there probably for like 10 minutes. And like they were on my boarding group, but my coffee wasn't ready yet. And I was like, it's fine, like there's there's more groups to be called. I like would walk over, like peek around the corner, see what group they're on, then go back to the Starbucks lane. Essentially, like the plane was fully boarded. But I was like, I'm not getting on this plane without my coffee. And it was like boarding group seven. Then it was ready. But yeah, so now since I've been doing this for a couple of years, I've just gotten so lax. Like I'm very typey in this regard, where I'm like, it's fine, like they're not calling my name on the overhead intercom yet. No need to run like priorities or coffee and and then I'll get on the plane and I have not gotten burned yet. I've gotten very close, but how about you? Yeah. Not kind of wood. Morgan Paul: Not yet. Knock on one. We're good. I'm the same way. I I've gotten a little bit worse. I feel like I've gotten more anxious for some reason about missing my Rachel Hawley: Ha ha Morgan Paul: flight for some reason. But I think it's because I do a carry-on suitcase that I Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Morgan Paul: am worried more about the space above me. And Rachel Hawley: Yes. Morgan Paul: because the worst thing I'm sure everyone can resonate with this, is if you sit in your seat. And there's no bin space above you. And then you have Rachel Hawley: Yep. Morgan Paul: to put it behind you. And so then you have Rachel Hawley: Yep. Morgan Paul: to be like, Hi, excuse me, can you grab my bag? Or you have to wait for them to Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Yeah, it's the worst. Morgan Paul: like go. And then no one is patient when you're de Rachel Hawley: No. Morgan Paul: boarding a plane. And so that is my biggest concern. It's always like making sure my bag is like right next to me so I can get up, grab it, and go. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, no, I'm the same way. That's like the gamble that I was taking this past time. Like boarding in a later group was like, my gosh, I hope they have overhead bin space available and it was fine. But yeah, that's also the worst. Like arguably that's worse than having to just check your bag. But I also hate checking my bag because I feel like it just gets beat up and I hate waiting at the carousel at the end. But I agree with you on that though. Morgan Paul: Yeah, same. Okay, last last quick question before we we cut everybody off is Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgan Paul: are you a window or aisle girly? Rachel Hawley: Who I'm an aisle girly. I it which which has changed over time. I think I used to be a window girly, but I I like to be able to just like get up and go to the bathroom if I need to and not step over people or like wake somebody up. I just feel like it's the most accessible seat to sit in. And I always tell the people that are like in the window or in the middle seat, I'm like, if you need to get up, just tell me. Like I try to be as accommodating as possible. Morgan Paul: Wait, that's so nice. That's so nice of you. I needed I needed I need to adopt that. I also Yeah, but Rachel Hawley: You know, I know. Like obviously they can ask, but how about you? Yeah. Morgan Paul: it's so uncomfortable to ask if you're in the window Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgan Paul: or you're just like, I'm so sorry. Cause everyone's trays are out. Yeah. Rachel Hawley: And so many people sleep, yep. Morgan Paul: Also an aisle girl. I will move my flight usually if I'm not in the aisle. Like I I was looking Rachel Hawley: That's funny. Morgan Paul: today and I realized I wasn't in like a Like this is this is a first world problem that I like not in like a premium seat and I w Rachel Hawley: Uh-huh. Morgan Paul: I must have just forgot about it. And I now I'm in the exit row, which is totally fine, but I'm I'm in a window and so I'm looking for to move my flight up so I can go sit in the aisle. Or I will Rachel Hawley: it's funny. Yeah. Morgan Paul: be stalking the seat list. Rachel Hawley: Seeing if something opens up. I changed my Morgan Paul: Yeah. Okay. Rachel Hawley: flight yesterday and yeah, very type, also type B of me. And I'm I would say I'm not type B, but like I didn't have a seat. Like there were no seats left to pick. And people are like, you're gonna be put on standby, like you're gonna be able to get on the flight. I'm like, I'm like, they might put me in first class. Like, I don't know if this is delusion or or Morgan Paul: Right. You don't know. Rachel Hawley: just optimism. I'm like, they're gonna find me a seat. and they found me a seat. It was in the it was a window seat. I was like, whatever, not. Not a crazy long flight, but I just do feel a little bit trapped when I'm in the window seat and it's definitely Morgan Paul: So trap. Rachel Hawley: not my favorite, but I had no other option in that circumstance. So Morgan Paul: Fair Rachel Hawley: yeah. But if I'm picking that seat, it is gonna be in the aisle. Morgan Paul: Same. Rachel Hawley: Well, I wanna hear from everybody. Feel free to comment if you're a window or ILC person or if you have any Morgan Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: other crazy travel tips, beauty favorites, work trip favorites. We would love to hear them. Morgan Paul: I feel like Rachel and I are relatively similar when it comes to these things. So we need to hear your controversies. Like Libby, I need you to comment in the comments. Your your travel has. Okay, awesome. Rachel Hawley: Yes. Yes, please. We're gonna tag you on this. Yes. We need differing opinions. Morgan Paul: Well, thank you for listening to this week's episode of the other sixteen hours. And we will see you in the next episode. Rachel Hawley: Yep, we'll catch you next time. Bye.