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PALEFACE | ZELLI + LUIGI of Swizerland’s Most UNHINGED Band. · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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  podcast. My guests on the podcast this
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  week are Zelle and Luigi of Pale Face Swiss.
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  Zelle is the vocalist and Luigi as their brand new baby boy
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  Brazilian all the way from Sao Paulo.
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  He's not been in the band very long.
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  It's a real interesting story how he joined the band.
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  We caught up with them literally as they came off stage after
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  playing two sets. I can't really remember what we
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  Check it out. It's Zelle and Luigi of Pale
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  Face Swiss on the Downbeat podcast.
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  Are you good? Yeah, I'm, I'm happy to be here.
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  We did it finally. We fucking did it.
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  Yes, we did. How many shows did we do
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  together in the summer? We did a bunch.
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  Yeah, four. And I didn't.
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  By the way, I'm here with Zoe and Luigi from Pale Face Swiss.
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  Do I say Swiss or do I just fuck that illegal?
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  Thing it gets annoying, the fucking Swiss thing it doesn't.
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  Okay, we'll get. We're gonna get into that.
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  Yeah, okay, so we did shows together, yeah, but we didn't
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  really hang out because it was like 3 shows.
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  Yeah, the first conversation we had was because I was on the
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  toilet in Lubeck, Yes. Like close to Hamburg.
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  Yeah, I was on the toilet and I suddenly heard a monster and it
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  was like a real monster. Like they scared me shitless
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  while I was hitting. And I was like, what the fuck is
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  that? And it was like this.
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  And I was like, fuck, that must be Zelly.
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  And they're like, I came and gassed him up about it and that
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  was about it. And now we're here.
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  Fuck yeah. I've watched your band twice
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  today. Thank you.
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  Yeah, I had no idea. That's sick.
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  Thank you so much. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Thank you brother. Look at this little baby boy.
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  We're both. No.
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  Hello. I'm not the youngest.
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  This is the first time in my life that I'm not the youngest.
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  That's true, yeah. It's that I was always the
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  youngest and the smallest. But he's still young.
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  Please, he's. Super.
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  You 26. Oh, you are baby band.
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  So that's not actually that different.
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  No, no. No, we're kind of close.
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  I was born in 2005, so I'm 21 and he was born in. 99 Two. 1599
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  No, no, not begins with an 8. I mean just begin with an 8.
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  I was born in 800 BC. No 87, OK, I'm fucking old boys.
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  No, you're not. You look fantastic with the new
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  hair and all that. Getting that from.
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  I thought you were like 27 brother.
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  I'm gonna take that. They're just fucking with me
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  because it's my show, but I'm gonna take that. 99 and 2005.
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  Yep, neither of you can remember 911.
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  I cannot. I was alive, I had nothing to do
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  with him and I also don't remember.
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  Imagine you did though the mastermind was head fuck.
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  He's 2 year old boy from Switzerland, famously neutral.
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  Nobody will point at me because neutrality and shit, you know?
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  Yeah, sick. How did this happen?
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  You're amazing, by the way. I just so much, I didn't want to
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  tell you out there because I was like, I'll say it on camera
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  because content and also like I want people to know I watched
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  you twice today. I found out about you today.
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  That's great. Yeah.
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  Thank you so much. Thanks so much.
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  I feel glad about this. Thank.
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  You, I only knew you guys had a new drummer because someone was
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  like, are you the new Pale Face drummer?
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  And I was like, no, but they have a new drummer.
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  And then I looked and today I looked and I was like this
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  fucking kid bro, you fucking nailed.
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  It thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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  Yeah, I feel. So crazy.
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  How does that happen? Brazil.
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  Yeah, yes, Brazil, Sao Paulo, Yeah, so.
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  With our old drummer Cussy, we're still so close, so very,
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  very close. Best friends.
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  It just wouldn't work out. And this has been a thing for
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  more than a year now. Like it's always a back and
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  forth, like will we do it with like, do you want to do it?
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  Is it going to work, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Eventually. Actually, after the last
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  headline tour that we did in January, after two, we were
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  like, no, like, let let's stop here.
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  He was like, yeah, it's too much, too much pressure.
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  And he's just not, he doesn't want to do it.
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  And obviously I've been looking for who could be the next one,
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  if that case will, if it's going to be the case, right?
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  I saw his videos so many times popping up on my Instagram.
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  My whole Instagram is full of like drummers and shit because I
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  was. He's a good drummer, but he
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  doesn't know this. Yeah.
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  Good drummer. No.
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  He's drumming so well, No? I know how the drummers work.
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  I write them, I don't play them. That's the difference.
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  You the programmer? Yeah.
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  There's a really good one. Game OK.
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  Yeah. But.
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  I saw his videos over and over again.
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  I'm like, yeah, he's from Brazil.
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  I will like it makes no sense, makes no sense.
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  And also people tell us we copy everything from slip mode all
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  the time, and now we're get a Brazilian drummer too.
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  You know that's true. I mean, there was the first
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  thing I saw before I even saw you were Brazilian.
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  I was like, I was a little baby Eloy.
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  And then I look, it says Brazilian and I was like, what
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  the fuck is in the water? Down there so I I already had I
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  was talking to a a close friend of mine like if he could help us
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  out on this tour and it was a Saturday night I couldn't sleep
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  I woke up again at night I was like I don't know what open
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  Instagram first video Luigi again hello and I was like you
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  know what nothing to do was texted him the next day we were
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  on a face on call and then we had to get him a visa within 1
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  1/2 months, which was. From FaceTime call to visa you
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  and do you want to join this band?
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  Yeah, actually let's. Get his story.
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  In my point of view, let's. Let's let's get that.
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  So yeah, last year I started, let's say, creating some
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  drumming content more constantly.
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  I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil, and that's crazy because, you know,
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  it's far from, let's say, where everything happens like Europe,
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  United States. So I, I know this, you know,
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  it's crazy for a Brazilian, you know, dream with being touring
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  like this. So I always knew that, but I
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  started with creating this kind of, you know, play truths, you
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  know, just recording the, the, the songs that I study and
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  practice that I like, for example, some Meshuga, Gojira,
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  Slipknot stuff, because I'm a big fan of heavy metal since my
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  early days. I started to play drums at 8:00.
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  So I became a really big fan of, you know, Eli Kazakhrunj, of
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  course. So I always had this heavy metal
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  background and last year was like so intense recording these
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  videos and I have this opportunity of connecting with a
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  lot of musicians around the world as as Ellie, for example.
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  And I, my main goal with this videos was 100% getting a gig.
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  It was, this is my biggest dream, you know, being touring,
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  being, you know, recording with a great band, being able to
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  express my passion, drumming with the world, you know, that's
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  what I always dream of. But I'm from Brazil, so I know
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  that's really difficult. So but I never stopped trying.
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  And I remembered the exact exact moment that I was I was with my
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  girlfriend, you know, at night we are having some pizza and put
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  Instagram message, it was Zelly. It was like, hey, so my name is
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  Zelly. I'm the lead vocal for from
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  Paleface Swiss and we didn't actually and we need a dream or
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  like something like this. In one month.
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  Yeah, in one month we have a tour with Lorna Short in like 1
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  month. This is these are the songs.
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  The songs are really difficult. It's.
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  This tool, yeah. Yeah, it all started like.
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  I texted him like 2 months ago, yeah.
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  Let me look it up, you can help me.
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  Look it up. This is crazy, brother.
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  Like I had like a month to learn everything.
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  So. But back to the visa point.
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  So yeah, I'm from Brazil. I really interested, interested
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  in making this happen. Of course it's my dream.
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  I, I I I am 100% in when. I text you that 2020 21st of
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  February. Yeah, it's late at night.
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  That's. Great day we on now at 8th of
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  May Yeah yeah, that's yeah, sure knows so it was.
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  Really close. And yeah, so I just reply him
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  like, man, of course, let's have a call tomorrow.
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  Yeah. And he talked to me and I, since
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  the first moment, I just realized that there was no
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  answer beside yes, you know, I, yes, it's what I want to do.
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  I'm, I'm 100% in. I had a lot of works and gigs in
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  Brazil that I left. But this is what I want to do
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  this. My heart just tells me you need
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  to accept it. I left university, I left
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  everything just for being here, and I'm pretty sure that it was.
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  We didn't know that. But that was that was awesome.
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  You know that what what I was supposed to say in the how do
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  you get? The visa so quick.
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  Yeah, so. People on a row.
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  Oh. I'm on an O1.
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  Same. So he's an O2O2?
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  Yeah. So he's.
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  He's your O2 from your O one. Yeah, yeah.
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  Fuck yeah, boys. Quick.
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  Brazil, right? It was expensive, yeah.
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  We had the this kind of premium process that it's like expensive
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  than the normal one. It's more expensive. $250.
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  It was way more, Yeah, really. Yeah.
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  Like the the most expressed expressed, super expressed.
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  I need to tell this I, I, I remember the meeting I have with
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  them because he asked me low. So I, we need to, I need to talk
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  with the guys and I'll be back with some with, with an answer
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  tomorrow like at, at at Monday. And I remember that at this
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  meeting that when they just invited me, I remember saying
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  clearly, guys, I'm so glad because I know that I am
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  probably the worst choice for the band because I'm live in
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  Brazil. I am 20 years old now because I
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  just turned 21 this year. So I was not a major.
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  So I am, I'm from Brazil. I am not a major.
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  And you guys never, never toured before like this.
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  You guys don't even know me in person.
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  So, you know, I am probably the worst choice, but I promise that
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  I will give 100% of my heart and my, you know, my work to you and
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  I'm probably being the best choice if you guys want to do it
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  with me and they just accept it. And here we are.
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  You know, we made it possible and it was so crazy.
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  So how many shows has he done with you?
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  The first one was on the 13th of April, 13th April. 17, yeah.
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  I don't know, maybe. 10 under a month.
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  Yes, yeah, yeah, like this. Damn you RIP it and you're 21
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  now, yeah? Yeah, I'm 21 now.
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  Sure. Yes, sure I had.
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  Why not? I really had a single drop of
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  alcohol today. I'm waiting.
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  OK, let's ruin that drumming career.
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  Yep, I'm fucking with you. Cheers boys, Cheers.
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  Thanks for having us. That was, of course, White
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  Monster. That was so Heavy Metal 21.
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  He's allowed to drink. Fuck yeah, that's another one.
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  So you're still cool? Is Cassie the old, old drummer?
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  Oh, we we're closer than ever since he left the.
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  Spices used to be on stage. Yeah, kissing.
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  Yeah, here and there. Still kissing?
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  Yeah, why not? Love that shit.
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  Right. People were so unhappy about
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  that. Bro, you have no idea how many
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  people leave the room every time we've done that on our headline
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  show. So I'm like, really?
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  You don't know anything about the bands you go and watch?
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  I don't get it. Like, yeah, we kissed like
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  constantly. We always kissed on stage to
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  fuck, like to like get the the dumb people out kind of deal.
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  So many people leave when we do that on our headline shows.
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  I'm like. It's yeah.
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  Is it worse in America? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm talking
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  about, I'm talking about the states in Europe.
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  Europe, it's like everyone starts jerking off.
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  That's what I pay money for. Jerking each other off and shit.
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  No, but we're closer than ever. It feels like there's, there's,
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  there's not this, this thing in between our friendship.
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  Now it's friendship only. But before it was 'cause you,
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  you need to like push yourself, you need to become better and
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  like get your head in the mind right mindset kind of deal.
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  So that was that became so much bigger than the friendship.
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  And now that this is a way, we have so much more space for
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  friendship and. Stuff.
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  No, because I can't. I can count on my fucking one
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  hand how many people I've been in a bandwidth and have quit or
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  I've quit or kicked out and you just never see him again.
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  No, we, we hear each other every like every day or every second
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  day, like, hey, what's up? He's also got a new job now and
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  everything, which she's super happy, which we are very happy
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  about, obviously. Yeah.
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  So we, we hear each other so often.
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  Yeah, fuck yeah. Way, way more than before, which
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  is nice. And I must say that I have a lot
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  of respect for him. Yeah.
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  You're going to meet him? Yeah.
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  We're going to go to the theme park together.
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  Yeah, I'm. Really excited and I am looking
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  forward to meet him and just shows a lot of respect because
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  he deserve it. Like all the the work he did
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  with the band. Yeah, it was amazing.
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  All the tours, all the records. So yeah, I have a lot of
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  respect. Yeah, what theme park are you
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  going to? Europa Park, It's in Germany,
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  the biggest one in Europe. It's close to Karl's room.
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  Oh, I would say Europa Park. I'm sorry.
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  No, that's fine. No, I'm just, I get this every
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  fucking day. I live in America and I'm
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  English and I say like, oh, let me get something out the bin and
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  people go stop bin. You mean trash can?
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  And I'm like fuck off. No it's fine.
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  So I'm sorry I did that to you. Good.
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  Fucking good. You're both.
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  You're English so good. Thank you, thank you.
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  I learned it from being a musician.
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  I do have some accent so I apologize.
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  For that. But that's, that's what the
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  Americans love. Yeah.
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  Do you know how many times I like here?
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  Oh my God, I love your accent. Where you from?
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  Yeah, Switzerland. Sweden.
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  Shut the fuck up. I said Switzerland.
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  You do look Swiss though. Sorry, I am Swiss.
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  Yeah, no, sorry. Edit Simon, no one will fucking
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  know. Leave that in Simon.
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  Simon, you get fired if that stays in anyway, watch this.
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  Watch this through. You do look Swedish.
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  Right. I hear that so often.
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  Is there a look to Swede? Like there's a look to Swede?
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  Isn't it the same look for Swedes?
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  He's not happy. Fuck.
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  No, no, no, I'm totally I, I'm totally caught.
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  I. Believe all that shit.
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  I believe we have more rednecks, more hillbillies, whatever we
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  call them. Switzerland, bro.
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  The former redneck in Switzerland.
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  What are you going to do? The former culture is huge, the
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  whole thing and stuff. Brother, how do you think this
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  little country got formed? It was, I said, I said it on
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  stage in Montana. I'm like, bro, we're playing in
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  front of Hall of Montana. Who who in here is like brother
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  and sister? Everybody raised their hands.
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  Where are you going with this? Yeah, continue.
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  So I'm like, I'm like, don't be like, don't be, don't be
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  ashamed. It's all right.
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  I know how it is. You know, I'm from Switzerland.
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  A man fucked a cow. That's how I was born.
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  That's what I said. And people be like, where are
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  where is he trying to go with that?
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  Yeah, that's what I remember in this moment.
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  It's true. It's true. 100% true.
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  He really said that? Why did you say you hear his
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  brother and sister? Because you're insinuating.
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  Because Montana and I believe there's like.
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  I don't know. Me neither.
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  That's what I got told. Everybody fucks everybody.
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  There's not many people living there.
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  I'm not sure, Simon. May you help me?
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  Are you are you like mega kinky? Not mega.
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  You got kink vibes. I see it in you.
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  I see myself in you, brother. Listen, I've never touched the
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  cow. No, I didn't.
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  That's not, that's like a legal kinky.
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  I mean, it's like kinky shit. Where is this conversation
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  going? He's young, but he's of age now
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  we're allowed to talk about it. My cock was the first one you
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  saw. Wow.
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  Of course, my dad, my dad. No, no, no, from the bands,
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  brother, I'm talking. I'm at his Rep, I'm at his dad.
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  Today, for the first time, I'm talking.
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  Bands Hey you're talking from. OK, wait, let's.
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  What's the what's happened here? Come on, tell me what?
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  Why has he seen your Dick? Is it you true?
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  Story. True story.
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  True story. We were walking in Wichita.
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  We were, we were, we went out at a stake.
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  We were walking back on this third path.
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  Whatever. There was a huge end pile.
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  Like it wasn't a pile. It was like a hole in the
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  ground. And millions of ants came out
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  Yawning was like, Oh my God, look at all those ants.
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  I want to fuck him and I took off my shorts and fucking
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  pretended I fucked that thing and.
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  Pretended that's where you put it.
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  No, no. No, I pretended.
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  No, I pretended. And he was like, Oh my God, I
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  finally saw his take. I'm not used to that yet.
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  Baby boy jokes. Yeah.
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  Penis. Oh my God.
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  A penis. A Swiss penis.
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  Right. That's how it.
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  That's how it. Was it?
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  I mean, hey, I'm specialist. Oh.
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  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Great, because this is like a
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  running bit on the downbeat. You got a foreskin, no?
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  We have, we have this huge thing within the band.
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  You're not allowed in if you've got a foreskin.
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  That's my rule. That's why I didn't get boy.
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  Many people like not everybody. Yannick for example, he has his
• 18:11
  foreskin. Tommy respect parachute foreskin
• 18:14
  crazy. Parachute foreskin.
• 18:17
  Look at your girlfriend long time, she's like fucking trying
• 18:20
  her best. She's a foreskin expert bro,
• 18:22
  don't worry about her. Everybody here is like.
• 18:24
  Oh, OK, Luigi now. Yeah, Brazil.
• 18:26
  It has always been cosy. Obviously I've seen everything.
• 18:29
  It's the cosy were like this when it comes to like against
• 18:33
  foreskin. And you're in cosy fucked.
• 18:36
  Am I allowed to say that on camera or no?
• 18:37
  Of course you're fucking we. Had some fun, that's fair and
• 18:40
  there. It's fucking hot.
• 18:42
  That's. Fine, you know, it's just like.
• 18:46
  What have I got myself in for? Bro you are like fucking you are
• 18:49
  the, you are like the teen category now.
• 18:52
  Cheers. We're like, we're like fucking
• 18:54
  what, 10 minutes to be so sick, Brazil.
• 18:57
  Foreskin. Brazil, yeah, I don't have my.
• 19:00
  Perfect. You don't have it anymore.
• 19:01
  No. No.
• 19:02
  Oh, Luigi, I I knew it from the beginners.
• 19:05
  Yeah, Monster. I thought you arise.
• 19:08
  What? We all had it.
• 19:09
  I'm the fucking freak foreskin. That's fucking goal.
• 19:16
  You still have yours. West Coast, This one is for you.
• 19:23
  Aftershock Festival is back, featuring My Chemical Romance,
• 19:26
  Limp Bizkit, Pierce The Veil, and my favorite band Tool
• 19:31
  headlining 2026. This year they've got 5 stages,
• 19:34
  an expanded lineup, and a larger footprint at the scenic
• 19:38
  Discovery Park. Come and see the very best in
• 19:41
  rock and metal plus a heavy dose of hip hop with Suicide Toys and
• 19:47
  Wu Tang. Just imagine the sort of collabs
• 19:49
  that might happen. I'm not saying they're going to
• 19:51
  happen, but I am a sucker for a hip hop male collab.
• 19:54
  It is going to be an awesome time from October 1st to the
• 19:57
  4th. Where else are you going to
• 19:59
  watch Wu Tang, Tall Baby Male, Black Label Society, Queens of
• 20:05
  Stone Age, Coheed, Sublime, Suicidal Tendencies and so many
• 20:10
  more? It's 135 bands in total.
• 20:14
  Unbelievable weather. I mean, don't blame me if the
• 20:16
  weather's not great, but come on, it's the West Coast.
• 20:18
  It's going to be good. Make sure you go to
• 20:20
  aftershockfestival.com to check out tickets, look for festival
• 20:24
  updates, and stay tuned to The Downbeat, where I'm going to
• 20:27
  keep telling you this stuff. Damn.
• 20:29
  Fuck. OK, Well, we did foreskins.
• 20:31
  I can't even remember where we were going with that.
• 20:34
  We started with oh. OK.
• 20:35
  Sorry. We started with when we went to
• 20:37
  Foreskins. No, you, you asked about like
• 20:40
  Sweden and Switzerland. Look, alikes, I know everybody,
• 20:44
  like loads of people from Sweden are blonde and like whatever.
• 20:48
  And you ask what's different? Yeah, we have so many farmers in
• 20:51
  shades. There's so much farming going on
• 20:53
  in Switzerland. I I'm not sure about Sweden if
• 20:55
  they have the same amount of like farming and cows and
• 20:58
  animals and foreskins. I don't know about the foreskin
• 21:02
  situation. Europe was sorry to keep banging
• 21:05
  on, but I thought I was. I was.
• 21:06
  I can't even remember my foreskin.
• 21:08
  I was very little when they took it away.
• 21:11
  That's why they like to do it. Really.
• 21:13
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:14
  You answer that so serious. You answer that like a real
• 21:18
  press question, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:22
  That was fun. I'm sorry to cut back on this.
• 21:25
  How do you identify like your sexuality?
• 21:27
  I don't even know I I really like I cannot I cannot put it
• 21:31
  into like this is how I feel. This is what I like kind of I am
• 21:36
  like whatever, let's have fun kind of deal.
• 21:40
  You know I. Feel like that's me.
• 21:42
  I I, I'm, I'm down for anything to try and then it's a slot.
• 21:48
  I mean, today let me another story today after the K pitch
• 21:54
  show that we did, then I go. Back to your question.
• 21:57
  Oh, it was sweat. Yeah.
• 21:58
  I know what is about to try. I know, try there was this good
• 22:03
  looking young lady in the front row.
• 22:07
  I saw this. I can't have another.
• 22:08
  One. No, no, no.
• 22:09
  I try my best not to. I'm neutral.
• 22:11
  Cancel me. Chris So you can't cancel a
• 22:16
  potentially bisexual man? No.
• 22:18
  Kevin Spacey cancelled. What I'm what I'm trying to say
• 22:21
  is something that should not get me cancelled the the opposite.
• 22:25
  I I was with the people after the show, taking photos,
• 22:28
  everything, signing stuff with love.
• 22:31
  And there was one that that good looking girl at the she was at
• 22:35
  the very end of the line waiting.
• 22:37
  Then it was. And I you saw her, she was the
• 22:39
  last. One.
• 22:39
  Yeah, but the people still sit around us.
• 22:42
  So she approached me and I was like, hey, how you doing?
• 22:45
  She's like, I want you to spit on me.
• 22:48
  Wow. I cannot.
• 22:50
  There's 20 people around us. What would they think if I just
• 22:54
  spit at you? She's like, I don't care, spit
• 22:55
  at me. I'm like, no, she's like.
• 22:58
  Mine but she. Was like so intense, just like
• 23:01
  do something with me. I'm like, I can, I can take a
• 23:05
  photo with you if you want and also spit on me.
• 23:08
  I'm like Nope, a photo. She's like, OK.
• 23:11
  When you take the photo, Yeah. Damn, Yeah, I.
• 23:13
  Mean I don't know where I was going, where I was.
• 23:16
  Trying to go with this, Yeah, I can't remember.
• 23:18
  It's going to be one of those episodes everyone if you
• 23:20
  fucking. Yeah, it's late.
• 23:24
  It's fine. No one gives a fuck.
• 23:26
  No. Yeah, you can't even.
• 23:27
  Even if you just can't do that with anyone.
• 23:31
  No. Full stop.
• 23:32
  There's a power thing. No, no, no.
• 23:34
  No, no, no, no, no, no. He's a nice man he got.
• 23:37
  I'm trying to ask. To spit, didn't spit.
• 23:42
  Example an example. Luigi, any spitting?
• 23:45
  Luigi you spend on her. Spitting on that thing or not, I
• 23:48
  never know. You're not spitting on that
• 23:50
  thing, Luigi. Such a good name or a bad name,
• 23:53
  depending on who you listen. To Italian.
• 23:58
  Do you know my first name? Everybody calls Miss Ellie.
• 24:01
  My mom calls Miss Ellie. I don't.
• 24:02
  Know your first name? Oh damn, it's I know it's Mark
• 24:05
  maybe. You know my first but.
• 24:07
  The complete name. Is Mark.
• 24:09
  It's. Just Mark, Mark and see.
• 24:11
  Yeah, yeah. And since he's here, everybody
• 24:13
  calls me Mario, obviously because of Luigi.
• 24:15
  Mario so. Funny that.
• 24:18
  No, I like it. I.
• 24:18
  Hear a lot of jokes because of my name, like Luigi, Mario.
• 24:21
  But I never, I never listen to Mark somebody like if fans, but
• 24:25
  like I know him better than you do because I know his first
• 24:28
  name. They would call me Mark.
• 24:30
  I don't. My brain doesn't like, hey, I
• 24:33
  don't listen because everybody calls Miss Ellie.
• 24:36
  It's crazy. I do, there's like slightly
• 24:38
  parasocial thing where it's the well, I know his first name so
• 24:41
  I'll be the best. I'm better I.
• 24:43
  Feel like Luigi of Luigi and Mario fame.
• 24:48
  Yeah, Yeah, is now the second most famous Luigi.
• 24:51
  Really. Yeah, there's one more.
• 24:54
  There's a guy you got healthcare in Brazil.
• 24:56
  Yeah, I do have it because of my family like me.
• 24:58
  But you have to pay for it. Yeah, a lot of money.
• 25:00
  What? Same in Switzerland.
• 25:01
  Because our, our. It's not the same in
• 25:03
  Switzerland. Yeah, yeah, you go first.
• 25:05
  Yeah, we have to pay because the public service is not that good.
• 25:09
  So like if we can pay for it, it's better.
• 25:13
  Like my family always met my family.
• 25:15
  Pay for it, yeah. Damn.
• 25:18
  Wait, I thought Switzerland was euro.
• 25:21
  You're not on the euro. We're not in the EU, baby.
• 25:25
  Either are we, but we fucked it. You guys are doing well.
• 25:29
  Wait, when you say when you say we, is it Scotland or UK?
• 25:33
  Hold the UK is not in the EU anymore.
• 25:36
  I know you lived in Glasgow, I know that.
• 25:38
  So initially like full get a blood test.
• 25:42
  I'm 100% Scottish, oh sake. I have no idea.
• 25:45
  Yeah, but my parents moved to England and then had me.
• 25:52
  So I have this voice. OK, but I look Scottish.
• 25:55
  Think about it. Shrek Fucking Braveheart.
• 25:58
  I got it. And then so I'm from the West of
• 26:02
  London pretty much. And I needed an A market to do
• 26:06
  the podcast and London's too far from where I was, so it was like
• 26:10
  Manchester or Glasgow. So I moved to Glasgow, and when
• 26:13
  I got to Glasgow, I realized weirdly, because my parents are
• 26:17
  both from Glasgow, Scottish, I felt more at home there than I
• 26:22
  ever did in England. OK.
• 26:24
  Because like, you know, that feeling, I don't know if you get
• 26:26
  it when you come home from a tour and that first time that
• 26:29
  you hear a person speak in like a home accent and it's just
• 26:34
  like, I'm back. Yeah, with like Swiss German,
• 26:38
  nobody speaks that honestly. So when we land in the in the
• 26:43
  airport like Zurich airport, I'm like.
• 26:45
  It's always in the airport. I buy a water or something and
• 26:48
  someone says sorry. So I never got that feeling in
• 26:51
  England. So I go on tour and I do that
• 26:54
  thing where you like, I fucking hate my life.
• 26:56
  I'm on tour and then I come home and be like, no, this feels no
• 26:59
  different. Like, I still hate this.
• 27:01
  And then Scotland, I came home from tour and like buy water in
• 27:06
  the airport and that person sells up my mum and I'm like, it
• 27:10
  just goes yeah. And I'm like, oh, I'm hot.
• 27:13
  So I just, I stayed there for a while and then now America.
• 27:16
  OK, yeah, I heard that about your house.
• 27:19
  Fuck me. Did you hear it on a new site I.
• 27:23
  I opened up like we have this Swiss new site called I'm
• 27:26
  kidding, I saw your, I saw your vlog.
• 27:29
  Oh, right. OK, so that's a new.
• 27:30
  Merchant shit. Because there's a new thing
• 27:32
  right now. For some reason.
• 27:33
  Yesterday it must have went around like all the news
• 27:35
  websites. I literally saw the vlog like 3
• 27:38
  nights ago in the in in my bunk in the tour bus.
• 27:40
  I'm like, oh. I appreciate that.
• 27:43
  Before I knew that I will be on the podcast, I saw that.
• 27:45
  I know it happened six months ago and I haven't been feeling
• 27:49
  up to vlogging because it sucks so much man.
• 27:52
  You live together. Yeah, our house was fucked, but
• 27:56
  we moved and everything's fine now.
• 27:58
  And then I did that vlog and then like new metal news
• 28:01
  websites started posting. I saw that today.
• 28:03
  Yes, I saw that today. Lost his house.
• 28:05
  In a new store and you sit there like can you not just post about
• 28:08
  the new merch pitch? Please, honestly.
• 28:11
  And it was like, there's no go from me.
• 28:13
  There's no, I get nothing from this.
• 28:15
  And it's like crazy. The slowest Newsday on Earth,
• 28:18
  right? Craig Reynolds lost his home in
• 28:21
  lost his home. So there was a tree in it.
• 28:23
  I moved out. It wasn't like I lost all my
• 28:26
  shit but lost his home. But you were not home during
• 28:30
  that time when you were we. Were at my like at my family in
• 28:35
  the UK. Three days into a short 7 day
• 28:38
  trip and my next door neighbor phones me like your house is
• 28:41
  completely fucked and we couldn't do anything because of
• 28:44
  the storm. We couldn't get back.
• 28:45
  We had to get someone. The cats here had to come and
• 28:48
  save the cats and then I was sat there trying to buy flights
• 28:52
  because of the storm. I couldn't fucking do anything
• 28:54
  but it's like it's old news now. It's like 6 months ago.
• 28:58
  It's a new merch. It's sick.
• 29:00
  I like it. It's really, really fucking
• 29:01
  cool. You.
• 29:02
  Can have whatever you want. I'd love something.
• 29:05
  You can have whatever you want, people, people who don't deserve
• 29:09
  it ask me all the time and people who deserve it don't ask
• 29:12
  me. OK, so you could just be saying
• 29:15
  that? OK, I will say.
• 29:16
  Better shorts to play the drums. Well, hey.
• 29:18
  They're Brazil. Yeah, it's a Brazilian shorts.
• 29:20
  They're kind of cool. OK, I understand.
• 29:22
  But he's got, have you seen his clothes?
• 29:24
  His clothes to mate. Mate for drumming and working.
• 29:27
  Really, I do need something. Yeah, you played in those
• 29:31
  earlier today. Yeah, I always.
• 29:33
  We haven't even prefaced this on camera.
• 29:35
  These guys came straight from Sage, Yeah.
• 29:37
  That, Oh my God. Yeah, I I was completely sweat.
• 29:40
  Yeah, when, when we walked, yeah, the the whole day was
• 29:43
  crazy. Did you shower?
• 29:45
  So you also played two shows today?
• 29:47
  Yes, saw you at the Cape here. And what's going to be amazing
• 29:49
  right now? Is it going to be overlaid?
• 29:51
  Because I was at both shows and we filmed some content while I'm
• 29:54
  talking right now you're watching Sally and Luigi in the
• 29:58
  K pit. And look at that.
• 30:00
  There's just, it's a smaller show.
• 30:02
  Everyone's having a good time. And then they played the big
• 30:05
  show and here is the big show. And if you're listening to this
• 30:08
  only, I'm fucking sorry. Did you shower inventory?
• 30:13
  No, no, you didn't show no shower.
• 30:15
  Why do you smell so good? I'm just warning Brazil, this
• 30:20
  guy smells good. Cows.
• 30:21
  Cows. Brazil, actually, I believe,
• 30:25
  look, my nose is really bad. I don't smell anything really.
• 30:29
  What you got deviate septum? Brother, I've never heard that
• 30:32
  in my life. That's too much English, yes.
• 30:36
  Same bro, right? If you do this, you can breathe,
• 30:38
  yeah. Yeah.
• 30:39
  Oh my God, probably so horny. Probably.
• 30:43
  I don't smell anything, but I asked everybody, so please tell
• 30:47
  me if I ever smell funny and everybody told me I never stink.
• 30:52
  That's true, so I don't. I thought you had.
• 30:54
  Cologne on a minute ago. Well, I I put a little bit on
• 30:57
  because I want Armani, Armani Emporio, whatever is called the
• 31:01
  the fucking you intensively. You.
• 31:03
  Yeah, yeah, you. Oh.
• 31:05
  What's strong with you? Yeah.
• 31:07
  Whoa. I knew I.
• 31:08
  Reckon I love vanilla. We're having a big, big Cologne
• 31:11
  day. Actually, there's quite a lot of
• 31:12
  Cologne talk happening today. I was.
• 31:15
  My mom invited me last minute to like a little ski trip.
• 31:19
  So I went with her, right? So we went to this Cologne store
• 31:25
  and there was this dude. He sold me a perfume, Cologne,
• 31:29
  whatever you call it, from a very young man from France.
• 31:33
  He, I don't know, fucking broke his back or some shit and blah
• 31:36
  blah blah. Was in hospital for years,
• 31:38
  couldn't get this shit to be released or whatever it's
• 31:40
  called. But he like travelled around the
• 31:42
  world and tried to, I don't know how's it called like get the
• 31:45
  sense from the, the, the the best places he saw into like a
• 31:48
  perfume. And he sold me one of these
• 31:50
  perfumes. It's the best fucking thing I've
• 31:52
  ever smelled in my life. I need to show you.
• 31:54
  I don't have it with me. What is it?
• 31:55
  I don't want to say that on camera.
• 31:56
  I'll tell it to you because it's a.
• 31:58
  Gatekeep. You've got a gatekeep.
• 32:00
  He's got like, he's like super small.
• 32:03
  His family builds that like they're like pottery like that.
• 32:07
  They like, they do like this pottery thing, the fucking slimy
• 32:10
  stuff. Yeah, yeah, the slimy stuff.
• 32:11
  They they, they make the thing for the perfume for him.
• 32:16
  Like every single one is like handmade.
• 32:17
  It's crazy. Give me this off camera.
• 32:19
  Fuck you guys, fuck everybody, fuck you guys.
• 32:21
  I want you to smell this. It's amazing.
• 32:23
  This is the only store in Switzerland that imports that
• 32:26
  stuff on that ski thing. Are you like a fragrance guy?
• 32:29
  I would not call myself a fragrance guy at all, but it was
• 32:34
  really interesting, whatever he told me.
• 32:38
  Are you a fragrance guy? I.
• 32:39
  Am a fragrance guy. That's why I was like, I'm ready
• 32:41
  to fucking go on there. We were talking earlier though.
• 32:44
  We there's like I'm at the level of fragrance guy where I
• 32:48
  actually in terms of like an experience, I like the ones that
• 32:53
  smell terrible on purpose. Not aware.
• 32:56
  Yeah, we were talking earlier. There's as a company.
• 32:59
  Where is it Russian? It just sounds Russian.
• 33:02
  It's probably like Eastern Europe, like fake Russian fuck
• 33:06
  don't kill me. No one kill me.
• 33:10
  It's called task of that. And they and they make a lot of
• 33:12
  really, really nice like actual fucking perfumes that are
• 33:15
  amazing and they make one which is literally supposed to be the
• 33:20
  worst smelling Cologne on earth. It's supposed to be like AI
• 33:23
  think they call it an olfactory experience and it is.
• 33:28
  It's called inexcusable evil. OK and it's supposed to spell
• 33:32
  smell like a hospital. I always got some facts for me.
• 33:35
  Then what you got? He's from Croatia.
• 33:37
  Croatia board online. Fake Russian.
• 33:41
  Bit nicer though. I like Croatia shout out.
• 33:43
  Shout out. Shout out Game of Thrones.
• 33:45
  Shout out whatever. Anyway, it's supposed to smell
• 33:48
  like. What's it supposed to smell
• 33:50
  like? Like hospital hospitals, blood,
• 33:55
  blood, gunpowder, rotting flesh. Yeah.
• 33:57
  It's supposed to smell like war. It's it's it's a it's a it's a
• 34:01
  political statement against war. So it's supposed to give you all
• 34:03
  the bad smells, make you like never want.
• 34:06
  OK. It's very like, it's kind of
• 34:07
  cool the way they do it. It's like this is supposed to be
• 34:09
  a statement. You own this thing.
• 34:11
  IRO does and then but but there's another one by another
• 34:15
  company that's supposed to smell like sex and it just smells like
• 34:17
  cum but not like what what you would think like oh, cum.
• 34:21
  Oh, it smells like fish. Like it smells like actual cum.
• 34:25
  Yo I love truffles. I thought you were going to say
• 34:28
  I love cum. I love truffles so.
• 34:31
  I like mushrooms. Mushrooms.
• 34:33
  Yo like in the in a like spaghetti truffle.
• 34:36
  Oh, I thought you meant like fucking magic truffles.
• 34:39
  Huh. I thought you meant magic
• 34:40
  truffles. No, like mushrooms.
• 34:41
  You mean truffle? The Yeah, OK the.
• 34:43
  Actual thing. Me too.
• 34:44
  Have you ever had like spaghetti with like truffle sauce?
• 34:47
  Yes I am. It smells like cum.
• 34:49
  I don't know about your guys's come bro but apparently my mind
• 34:52
  smells like like truffle. Mine does.
• 34:54
  I don't know if it's a flex or if it's like.
• 34:57
  Everything it's. Kind of sick, right?
• 35:00
  Is mine ever smell like truffle oil?
• 35:03
  I don't have the smell of truffle oil in my brain enough
• 35:06
  to recall right now. I mean, it's glorious.
• 35:09
  Do you know how sick that is? When I'm like pasta at home
• 35:12
  cooking, I'm like, Oh no, I ran out of truffles.
• 35:16
  You mentioned something earlier on on stage.
• 35:19
  Come in the pen. You said, you said, Oh yeah, I
• 35:21
  want to know if there's any, any truth to this.
• 35:24
  You said on stage you were like because what happened guys was
• 35:28
  their show got delayed by fuck. Must be 3 hours, 3 hours, 2
• 35:33
  hours. Around that, yeah, two hours and
• 35:34
  1/2. It was a hurricane.
• 35:36
  If you watch the vlog, it's on the blog.
• 35:38
  You on stage, You said you will. You will.
• 35:43
  Stuck somewhere else. Were you away from everyone
• 35:45
  else? We're in the bus.
• 35:46
  Everybody was in the bus and he was not.
• 35:48
  And the Wi-Fi was really bad. I wasn't a phone call and I
• 35:50
  couldn't hear the other person because the Wi-Fi was spending
• 35:52
  like, you know what, there's a shuttle right in front of me.
• 35:54
  I just go to a little green room, go there, sit there for
• 35:57
  half an hour on a call. I literally, I was like, I need
• 36:00
  to go back because get ready for the show.
• 36:02
  Hung up, walked out, called red messages.
• 36:06
  I'm like, go back in the room. I'm like I guess give me like I
• 36:11
  have like 5 more minutes whatever until the the whole
• 36:14
  fucking thing goes away. Stuck in there for two hours but
• 36:17
  myself. I said on stage I jerked off 6
• 36:19
  times that that was a lie. That was a lie.
• 36:22
  Yeah, it was a lie. Was it 100% a lie or was it?
• 36:25
  I touched myself, I didn't came full truth.
• 36:28
  You got it, half you edged. I was like, Shudaja or not
• 36:31
  Shudaja and I'm like, I'm bored. It's kind of sick, but.
• 36:36
  You didn't want to lose the adrenaline for the show because
• 36:37
  you did two shows today. That's true.
• 36:39
  That's what that's the point. We were supposed to be talking.
• 36:41
  About I filled 4 bottles with pee in that time.
• 36:45
  I've been pissed in a lot today. Because it was raining, so I was
• 36:49
  like. Why?
• 36:49
  Yeah, I have to fill. The bottles, but.
• 36:51
  You didn't jerk off, but you you half jerked off.
• 36:57
  Let's put it that way. Just like to nothing brain brain
• 37:00
  jerk off. You ever do a brain a brain.
• 37:02
  Yeah, I. Did I want to?
• 37:03
  Call it a thinky it's the lost art.
• 37:06
  To switch up the camera, like, you know what?
• 37:08
  Can you see pictures when you're like, think of something,
• 37:11
  There's people they can't. I learned.
• 37:13
  I see everything so clearly. People don't have inner
• 37:17
  monologues and some people don't have can't visualize.
• 37:21
  Everything, it's great. Like when I close my eyes, I'm
• 37:22
  like, I think of whatever I see it.
• 37:26
  So I'm like, I'll, I'll, I'll do my own porn in my head.
• 37:30
  I did that here and there are. You the It's funny.
• 37:33
  Are you the main character? No, never.
• 37:35
  Other people, I'm the director. You're getting cocked.
• 37:37
  I'm like Quentin Zelentino. Are you getting, are you getting
• 37:41
  cocked in these? We'll talk about music in a
• 37:43
  minute. We should probably talk about
• 37:45
  let's talk about music. Never meet someone on the
• 37:49
  podcast. This is as fucking kinky as me.
• 37:52
  It's fucking awesome. Look, let's start a new podcast.
• 37:55
  We. Should have we should have
• 37:56
  talked about No. It's good that we didn't talk
• 37:58
  last summer because otherwise we we don't know what to talk about
• 38:02
  here. Yeah, it'd have been worse here.
• 38:04
  I kind of it's going to say that you that you're not with
• 38:06
  straight anymore. I I wish we could have like go
• 38:08
  out for a couple of fun nights. I heard that you you get a
• 38:12
  little funny when you're when you're drunk, same as me.
• 38:15
  Like I was OK who? The fuck did you hear that from?
• 38:18
  OK, you're a bass player. Yeah, Nick.
• 38:23
  Anthony. You probably thought it was
• 38:24
  Anthony. His name is Dragon Neck.
• 38:26
  He introduces himself as Anthony, which is, yes, his
• 38:29
  birth name, but his name is Dragon.
• 38:31
  Neck I know I didn't want to say dragon neck, so that's why I say
• 38:33
  you're you're basically so I I hope that you would say that
• 38:36
  whatever I always thought he hates me I.
• 38:38
  Don't know why. I'm saying because he's the
• 38:39
  sweetest person. I thought he hates me because he
• 38:43
  would never talk to me. So we were a grass pop.
• 38:46
  It was late at night. It was Anthony, maybe the
• 38:51
  photographer and me. We stole a little buggy, like a
• 38:55
  little golf cart. And then we realized, hey, we
• 39:00
  like each other. Then we talked about movies.
• 39:02
  We talked about everything, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 39:03
  blah. And he didn't hear of you from,
• 39:08
  like for a very long time. So he thought you might be out
• 39:10
  drinking. So that's why he texted you.
• 39:12
  Are you like, are you alive? Are you there?
• 39:14
  Are you ready to rock with us? Or you were on the phone with
• 39:17
  you. That's what you told him that
• 39:20
  was. I was like, that would have been
• 39:22
  the best night ever if we now. Was it?
• 39:24
  Belgium gross pop metal meeting. Yeah, I think to be honest,
• 39:28
  towards the end of my fucking touring career, I just wanted to
• 39:31
  be at home. So yeah, most nights I would
• 39:33
  play the show and I would just. Yeah, just fucking.
• 39:35
  Hang on. But that's when we clicked
• 39:37
  Anthony, did you? And that's when that that.
• 39:40
  He said he. Said fun.
• 39:43
  Yeah, and he's like, I think you and Craig, you will get along
• 39:47
  with each other. Well, when you guys are drunk,
• 39:50
  I'm like. I'm quite stoic.
• 39:52
  I don't know that word that's. OK, definition of stoic, please.
• 39:56
  The person who endures pain, hardship or adversity without
• 39:59
  complaining, showing emotion, or displaying weakness.
• 40:02
  But I do think that meaning has changed into someone who just
• 40:05
  doesn't display their emotion. Yeah, I don't.
• 40:08
  Thank you my love. Thank you so much.
• 40:10
  I rarely give off emotions so I've been told before by people
• 40:16
  until I get drunk. They're like, oh, I thought you
• 40:18
  fucking hated me, which is what I thought you were getting at.
• 40:21
  OK, so don't you don't give up, give.
• 40:23
  I'm very serious because I'm always until I have, I have a
• 40:27
  basically I work until rest time.
• 40:32
  And then I think if I didn't have the drink at rest time,
• 40:34
  people would see that. Oh also I'm less fucking serious
• 40:39
  but also when I'm in rest time I'm like I'm going to have a
• 40:41
  drink. So but I've been told before
• 40:44
  that I'm very stunned at all times.
• 40:46
  So I was worried that you were saying someone said wait till he
• 40:50
  has a drink. No, no, no, no, no.
• 40:52
  But I it was. Just I was a little, I was funny
• 40:55
  that night. I had fun.
• 40:56
  Like I said, we stole this thing and whatever.
• 40:59
  And he was like, oh, maybe Craig is awake.
• 41:01
  He would you could you get along with each other?
• 41:04
  You would, you know. He was right, I love him.
• 41:06
  And you know what? Maybe the number one thing I
• 41:09
  miss about Stray is this is no offense to the other guys, is
• 41:16
  Anthony Dragon Neck. I was a mirror.
• 41:18
  He's just the fucking best. He's the fucking sweetheart.
• 41:21
  Yeah, I'm really, really, really like, yeah, clicked with him.
• 41:25
  Why? Did you think he hated you?
• 41:27
  He's like the sweetest man on. Earth, we never talk.
• 41:30
  Never. We never even said.
• 41:31
  We didn't even say hello. Not.
• 41:33
  I'd never talked to most people on the street.
• 41:35
  Yeah. On this street, yeah, yeah.
• 41:37
  It's so I don't even know me because he's like the biggest
• 41:39
  sweetheart. Yeah, I, I, I know it's not on
• 41:42
  him that I thought that, that he hates me.
• 41:44
  It's probably just my paranoid. Little me all times.
• 41:47
  Yesterday we stole a in one of those cars we're literally
• 41:51
  talking about. I love stealing this round.
• 41:53
  No, no, it wasn't even there. It was someone else was driving
• 41:56
  it. I do love stealing those.
• 41:57
  OK, good. We kind of cut the line.
• 42:01
  It was a buggy cart situation and we had to be back here and
• 42:04
  there was a line that was there for a while and the buggy cart
• 42:07
  turned up and came directly to Madison as you would if you were
• 42:11
  a young red blooded male in the buggy.
• 42:14
  He went straight to home. Where do you need to go?
• 42:17
  And then she she was like here. And he was like, get in.
• 42:19
  And obviously we were helping me go.
• 42:21
  And then this guy was unhappy. I think he was in the word life.
• 42:25
  I don't know. But he was unhappy that we stole
• 42:27
  the buggy car. And I was I sort of tried to win
• 42:30
  it back at the end. I was like, you guys can have
• 42:32
  this as we fucking speed away. I love that.
• 42:36
  And yeah, I feel bad about it today, though.
• 42:38
  So if that was you in the word life, I'm very sorry.
• 42:41
  We have, you know, that festival Geronair in love.
• 42:46
  We walked, watched the band, walked back, too lazy to walk.
• 42:50
  There was a buggy like his offroad buggies.
• 42:53
  And Sandra's our stage manager. He had a knife with him.
• 42:56
  Like give me that. Then I took his knife and like
• 42:59
  turned on. There was no key in the buggy.
• 43:00
  You'll learn stuff like that when you grow up in a village
• 43:04
  though. It's.
• 43:04
  Switzerland. Yeah, You're blowing my mind
• 43:07
  about Switzerland today, right? No foreskins, stealing fucking.
• 43:12
  Cows. Don't forget about the cows.
• 43:13
  Like Brazil, brother. You're supposed to be fucking
• 43:16
  neutral. Hey.
• 43:17
  I thought you're all just sat in your grey box reading the grey
• 43:20
  book on your grey bed. So.
• 43:26
  We stole a bucket with the knife, drove off the festival
• 43:29
  ground in April. I was.
• 43:32
  There's videos of the I was horribly drunk.
• 43:35
  Sunros doesn't even have a drivers license.
• 43:36
  He's sat next to me trying to teach me how to like.
• 43:39
  It was fucked. Our manager, everybody was on
• 43:42
  the back. It's it's so stupid.
• 43:44
  Good manager, that. Yeah, love him.
• 43:46
  Don't. Let this happen.
• 43:48
  So we drove into the village blah blah blah blah blah, came
• 43:50
  back to the night liners. Nobody noticed until I start
• 43:54
  trying to burn out some of the night liners.
• 43:56
  So then the security came and you would hear like through
• 43:59
  their walkie talkies like somebody stole my buggy blah
• 44:02
  blah, blah. Like screaming, I'm like Buck,
• 44:04
  they have us, they caught us so. They caught you.
• 44:08
  Yeah, like 3 ladies, but they were cool.
• 44:10
  They're like get out of this. Yeah, so get out, get out, get
• 44:14
  out. But there was this one man.
• 44:16
  He was so fucking pissed. He was really, really mad.
• 44:19
  The one probably that got the buggy stolen from, I don't know.
• 44:22
  He had no key, obviously, because who knows where the key
• 44:25
  is? I and the girls, like, stopped
• 44:28
  us. I'm like, Sanders, give me a
• 44:29
  knife. I need to turn this thing off,
• 44:30
  right? So I took the knife.
• 44:31
  Turn it off. Just like you did that with the
• 44:33
  knife. I'm like just take the buggy
• 44:35
  back. Then 5 minutes pass.
• 44:38
  I see that very angry man inside of the buggy is not able to like
• 44:42
  get it on like turn it on because he's got no key.
• 44:45
  But he was like fuming. My drunk ass woke up to being
• 44:48
  like you need help? I know how this works.
• 44:52
  And he's like fuck off. I'm like, Oh no.
• 44:57
  Yeah. Did he accept your help though?
• 44:58
  No. Not at all.
• 44:59
  He. Was just sat there, but Jerry
• 45:00
  was. Like the bug is still there
• 45:02
  probably. Jerry's Jerry's so sick that
• 45:04
  afterwards they're probably just like, yeah, the.
• 45:07
  Girls that the three girls had stopped us later served us at
• 45:10
  the bar. They gave us drinks and stuff so
• 45:13
  it was all fine except for this very angry man.
• 45:15
  I think Jerry, Jerry is top three.
• 45:19
  So sick. Top €3 festivals.
• 45:21
  Yeah. Oh my God, you haven't done
• 45:23
  these Euro festivals. It's gonna be his first.
• 45:25
  It's my first time and we're going to play rock and ring.
• 45:28
  It's going to be one of his first festivals is crazy.
• 45:30
  You go straight from this shit to Europe.
• 45:32
  Yeah, we have three days off in between.
• 45:35
  Of the city. Carlsruhe.
• 45:37
  I can't say this name is. Three days off in Carlsruhe.
• 45:40
  Yeah, and 1 of this is going to be Europa Park.
• 45:43
  You go to Vapiano. What's your thoughts on Vapiano?
• 45:47
  No, we don't do Vapiano. You don't do Vapiano.
• 45:49
  But not in college where there's there's like better stuff there,
• 45:52
  I think, no. That's a ball of fucking
• 45:54
  Vapiano. Vapiano Italian restaurant.
• 45:58
  It's like it's like a European Olive Garden.
• 46:00
  OK, I love Olive Garden. Yeah, Vapiano, bro, you gotta
• 46:04
  go. But you know Los Teria.
• 46:07
  What's that? Don't you tell me you about you?
• 46:12
  No, no, Vapiano I I understood with the accent.
• 46:15
  Now Vapiano shits all over lost the era.
• 46:18
  It's shits all over it and actually get pizza, in which
• 46:22
  case their pizza is better. Really good pizza.
• 46:25
  When knew. It or some guy once got food
• 46:27
  poisoning from Los Terioso. Exactly.
• 46:29
  No. So it's that maybe pizza is
• 46:32
  better than Vapiano pizza. If you get pasta, Vapiano is
• 46:35
  better. I would agree.
• 46:36
  I would agree. People have told me Vapiano,
• 46:38
  there's like rats and shit, but I don't care.
• 46:41
  Rats. Crazy, but we go there.
• 46:43
  It's a European olive. Garden Have you ever been to
• 46:46
  Europe? Yeah, I in vacation with my
• 46:48
  parents before, like in England, Scotland, like some some
• 46:53
  countries. And I did a tour with a
• 46:55
  Brazilian pop singer once in Portugal, but that's all.
• 46:58
  Never toured like this, you know.
• 47:00
  Age were you? In the tour, yeah, it was last
• 47:02
  year, so I was 20, like 19 to. 20 A little virtuoso Who was Who
• 47:08
  was The Who was the artist? It's a Brazilian singer, she's
• 47:12
  called Karabezin. She's like awesome, A great
• 47:15
  friend of mine. We're still friends and she's
• 47:16
  like getting bigger in Brazil every.
• 47:18
  Night, tell the secret. Which secret?
• 47:20
  No, No, no, no, no, no, no. Is that one that I'm thinking
• 47:23
  no. No, no, no, no, no, no about the
• 47:27
  singer. It's.
• 47:29
  Not as far. What secret?
• 47:30
  No, it's just the you cut her off to play with us, which I.
• 47:34
  Think is really you can. You can.
• 47:35
  Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can I.
• 47:37
  Just did it, Simon. Leave that in.
• 47:41
  Simon, that's in there. But for the record, if you do
• 47:43
  it, tell any secrets that need to be cut.
• 47:45
  You just say we've cut that. I would love to.
• 47:48
  I don't. There's no secret.
• 47:50
  No, no, no, no, no, no. We can't do.
• 47:52
  It. Yeah, We can't do it.
• 47:53
  Yes, but we can't say it. So basically, they've said it,
• 47:57
  but they can't say it. Yeah.
• 47:58
  So. But you haven't done like a full
• 48:00
  talk. Oh, bro.
• 48:02
  Yeah. So is that the biggest show
• 48:03
  you've ever played today? Maybe, Yeah, maybe because in in
• 48:08
  Brazil busy. I must say that in Brazil, I
• 48:12
  that's, that's crazy. Like in Brazil, we have like our
• 48:14
  own market, let's call like this.
• 48:16
  I I did play Sepultura. Yeah, Sepultura.
• 48:19
  One ninth of Slipknot. I was the I did some tours of
• 48:26
  Brazilian guitarist that used to be the Megadeth guitarist.
• 48:29
  It's called Kikori and I was. How old were you?
• 48:32
  I was 18 years old, yeah. Fuck yeah, this guy rules.
• 48:35
  I was touring with him, he and Nesla for some Brazilian tours.
• 48:40
  What did you do? This turned off the lights I
• 48:43
  just want so far. I just want to grab a beer,
• 48:46
  brother. Wait, wait.
• 48:47
  Hold the fucking thought. Yes.
• 48:49
  So I did some tours with Key, Colorado.
• 48:51
  He's played with Megadev and he just called me for some tours in
• 48:54
  Brazil. So I played in some great
• 48:56
  fastballs with him. We played with Zach Sabbath as
• 48:59
  well. So I I was able to meet the guys
• 49:01
  again today was really fun to talk with them again.
• 49:03
  But they they were just oh, you were the young guy right here.
• 49:06
  You are here. What are you doing?
• 49:08
  Still is they were watching us. It was super cool.
• 49:11
  Like some great greetings to John of of course.
• 49:15
  And yeah. So I did some great tours with
• 49:17
  him and with this Brazilian pop artist called Carobiasin.
• 49:21
  So we have like a great time. We played in Lollapalooza, that
• 49:24
  is one of the biggest festivals in Brazil.
• 49:26
  Usually you've done some big. Shit, I was, yeah, I was 17
• 49:29
  years, 18 years old around. So yeah, I I had some great
• 49:32
  opportunities, like as a young drummer.
• 49:35
  But of course, this kind of tour is my first time.
• 49:37
  It is is the biggest tour I ever did, so yeah.
• 49:41
  It's the beginning, baby. What are you?
• 49:43
  Doing on So you do these, you're doing Sonic Temple next week.
• 49:46
  Yes, yes, same. Would you be there?
• 49:49
  But everyone on these motherfuckers.
• 49:51
  Oh, so we get to hang out? We get to fucking let's.
• 49:53
  Do Part 2. Part 1 won't even be out yet,
• 49:56
  but we can. We could do a.
• 49:58
  Part 2 they filmed They filmed all of Lord of the Rings at
• 50:01
  once. So you heard it at first.
• 50:03
  If you want Part 2, maybe we've already recorded it and you can
• 50:08
  tell us in the comments right now and we could just drop it
• 50:11
  because I'll do it. This is one of my favorites.
• 50:14
  Is it don't lie to me, European honesty, That's the thing,
• 50:18
  apparently I heard. What you mean apparently in
• 50:21
  fact. Don't lie to me, I was.
• 50:24
  Just about to defer. Am I having fun?
• 50:28
  Don't I sometimes not have fun? You cannot, you cannot tell me
• 50:32
  this is one of your one of your favourites.
• 50:34
  If it's not, oh. This is we don't 100% one of my
• 50:37
  favourites. We haven't talked about music
• 50:38
  once. Number one, that's my favorite
• 50:40
  thing because I just like hanging out with people.
• 50:42
  Like I love music. It's only you, but it's like
• 50:45
  we'll get to that. But I like part.
• 50:48
  Two Yeah, part. Two, I like the fucking hangout.
• 50:51
  I like, I like people that don't take themselves seriously and
• 50:53
  they don't is the thing. Sometimes someone takes you
• 50:57
  don't see it because Sam is an amazing editor.
• 50:59
  Sometimes I ask a question and there's this.
• 51:02
  They go and what they're doing is they're calculating the the
• 51:08
  right answer. I was like, no, I want the I
• 51:11
  want this. To be fair, you give you give me
• 51:15
  at least a feeling of I can say whatever I want.
• 51:18
  It's going to be whatever, you know, you don't I don't feel
• 51:21
  touched or whatever, you know. Yeah, which is really nice of
• 51:24
  you. Thank you.
• 51:25
  Like very great at making it a space where everybody feels
• 51:28
  comfortable, you know, So it's perfect for like the hangout
• 51:33
  talks. You make this perfect, which is
• 51:35
  sick. No, the thing I like about this
• 51:37
  episode and why I'm having so much fun is because you guys are
• 51:40
  like, you don't take yourself too seriously.
• 51:43
  The music's very serious. This is the kind of thing that
• 51:47
  like gets people to like the man and gets me to like the man more
• 51:51
  because it's like I I don't know if you're honest in an interview
• 51:56
  and I can see this, I get on. I would get on with this person.
• 51:59
  I'm getting on with you guys, but like if I can see that, Oh,
• 52:02
  this person just says what they mean.
• 52:04
  I then believe their music more makes sense.
• 52:08
  Not this is not made for money. This is not made what will get
• 52:11
  us the most fans. It's like, oh, this person just
• 52:14
  goes brain mouth and I think then goes brain music.
• 52:19
  Yeah, instead of 1. 100% yeah. What's?
• 52:21
  The algorithm going to like, you know, this year.
• 52:24
  You know what I like? You lost all of your notes.
• 52:26
  You didn't even looked at it once so.
• 52:28
  That's how I know I'm having a good time, right?
• 52:30
  So sick I don't look at the. Notes one or the four, The four
• 52:34
  notes that are left I want to. Know you want no because I have
• 52:37
  questions still on there. OK, I mean, I could talk to you
• 52:41
  about funny. Things.
• 52:42
  Actually, one of the four notes is just both of your names.
• 52:45
  And then no, I'll fucking don't you fucking worry about my
• 52:48
  notes. But let's talk about music,
• 52:50
  because people would be like. OK, OK, I got, I got like.
• 52:53
  Personal things I want to ask. Yeah.
• 52:55
  Let me sleep. Yeah.
• 52:56
  Is that about insomnia? Not insomnia.
• 52:59
  I don't want to. I don't want to call that.
• 53:00
  It's just I love. I love the way that I think.
• 53:04
  I love how I can translate my thoughts into what I'm doing.
• 53:08
  I'm always driven by I'm addicted to success, kind of
• 53:12
  not, not not success in terms of fame, but addicted to making
• 53:15
  myself proud kind of right, which is nice.
• 53:19
  But also the head just won't shut up at all.
• 53:23
  Like at night or whatever. When it's I sleep well, I don't
• 53:27
  have problems with sleeping, but I have problems with like just
• 53:32
  shut up, just calm down. It it like what we have now is
• 53:35
  is good enough, you know, for the moment at least blah blah,
• 53:38
  blah, blah, blah. It it has never been the case.
• 53:41
  I always want more and more and more and more and more like keep
• 53:43
  pushing kind of deal. It's all about that.
• 53:45
  It's literally. Sleep is metaphorical sleep.
• 53:48
  Kind of. I mean, there's not is.
• 53:49
  It for rest. I'd say so, yeah, for rest and
• 53:53
  to just sit back and hold on a second and so.
• 53:57
  You're longing for the ability to rest.
• 54:02
  I think what won't let you? I mean, and this is a perfect
• 54:04
  example. It was like when lyrics resonate
• 54:08
  with you because of your lived experience.
• 54:10
  And it's not necessarily the vocalists or the the lyricists
• 54:14
  experience. I read that song.
• 54:17
  I see that song twice today. I hear that song and it's, you
• 54:21
  know, it's emotional, but I have struggled in the past with
• 54:24
  insomnia, like really fucking bad.
• 54:26
  OK so I read it as this is about insomnia.
• 54:30
  OK it is not. I never experienced insomnia
• 54:34
  stuff. Nice to get the real story.
• 54:37
  Yeah, it's, it's literally what you just said.
• 54:39
  I'm longing for rest. I don't want to rest.
• 54:42
  I want to keep pushing. So I know I don't understand it.
• 54:45
  Obviously I want. I want to rest because I know I
• 54:48
  need to rest, but with my head I don't want to rest because I
• 54:53
  want to keep pushing. I don't know how to explain my
• 54:55
  funny 1. I don't want to.
• 54:57
  I don't know how to explain. No, no, I fully get it.
• 55:00
  OK, you know you need the rest, yes, but you cannot stop.
• 55:04
  Yes, because it's. Crazy because it's the fastest
• 55:07
  song we play. It's like 220 VPN's brother.
• 55:11
  You don't want to rest with the song.
• 55:13
  I'm pretty sure about this. I want the same way, yeah.
• 55:16
  And I think it's a it's a dopamine issue.
• 55:20
  When I rest, my brain gets no dopamine because I'm not doing
• 55:23
  something. And I don't know about you, but
• 55:26
  I like I and I fucking do know about you and you know about
• 55:31
  this sexy star. I know you.
• 55:33
  I know you from this one conversation.
• 55:34
  I know we have the same fucking brain, bro.
• 55:37
  We have the brain that needs a reward.
• 55:40
  I need to fucking tinkle. Like whether it's fucking
• 55:43
  something, something sexy or whatever, I need that.
• 55:47
  But I also know I need to fucking slow down.
• 55:50
  Yeah, 100%. Is that a letter to yourself or
• 55:53
  to your brain or? I wrote those lyrics during one
• 55:57
  of these nights where I could not fall asleep Once I once I
• 56:02
  fall asleep, I sleep. That's pretty nice.
• 56:04
  I don't wake up during the night, but it takes me sometimes
• 56:07
  it takes me long to fall asleep. But I just wrote stuff down in
• 56:11
  one of those nights where I could not fall asleep.
• 56:13
  And I love to keep things just like they are in the very
• 56:16
  moment. You know, I could have probably
• 56:18
  read some things better and blah, blah, blah, blah, but this
• 56:20
  is just, it's perfect, you know it.
• 56:24
  Works because then it comes across.
• 56:26
  It comes across like really raw and honest.
• 56:28
  Yeah, I like the ambiguity in the lyrics because I really
• 56:34
  resonated with them as someone with insomnia.
• 56:37
  But it doesn't have anything to do with it.
• 56:39
  But it's nice. It's a nice way of writing.
• 56:40
  Cool, thank you. That's crazy.
• 56:42
  I literally, I don't know, for example, like the whole, how's
• 56:47
  it called when I want to say I I killed somebody, but I I would
• 56:51
  say I touched the flower and it died or whatever kind of deal.
• 56:54
  You know, like the whole poetic is the word that was looking
• 56:58
  for. I'm not very poetic at all.
• 57:00
  For example, Corey Taylor, whatever, he writes crazy stuff.
• 57:03
  You know, I cannot, I just be like, I feel shit.
• 57:06
  Then I write down I feel shit. Yeah, but that's exactly my
• 57:10
  point, what I'm going to when. People tell me, oh, they're so
• 57:12
  well written. I'm like, what do you mean?
• 57:15
  No, but that's it. It's well written because it's
• 57:17
  like you read it and you're like that guy means that.
• 57:21
  And back to my point about us hanging out, I love the episode
• 57:25
  because I can see that you go brain mouth out and then you're
• 57:29
  and music is also brain music. And I think that resonates with
• 57:33
  people more than like, if you were, how can I make this lyric
• 57:38
  more? I need to make some kind of
• 57:40
  simile between this and this. I think whether you know it or
• 57:44
  not, there's an ambiguity in there that comes out kind of
• 57:49
  nice glazing you right now. Instrument of war.
• 57:53
  Yeah, always stick to guns. Yes.
• 57:56
  I have a story to tell. Oh my God, we're so back on
• 57:59
  track, baby. Story time The.
• 58:01
  Same night as I got along with Anthony really well.
• 58:04
  Yeah, I talked to Tom. Tom Williams.
• 58:06
  Oh my God, Luigi. Luigi So you know, Anthony's in
• 58:09
  my band. Tom Williams is also in my band,
• 58:11
  but. He's also a manager.
• 58:12
  OK, he's also a manager. So we had this headline tour
• 58:15
  last year. The States with it was us, stick
• 58:19
  to guns and nasty. I told that Stick to Guns as
• 58:23
  well. The first band that I wanted to
• 58:27
  be on this tour is is straight from the Path.
• 58:29
  That was the first name I've ever set because I knew you were
• 58:33
  kind of like maybe this band isn't like active for a very
• 58:37
  long time anymore and stuff. And I love you guys so much,
• 58:39
  honestly. And I wanted you to be on this
• 58:41
  tour. That was the first name that I
• 58:44
  set. But our old booking agent, they
• 58:47
  wanted booked that tour back in the days.
• 58:50
  He has this thing with Tom apparently.
• 58:53
  Like I told I talked to Tom at the festival.
• 58:56
  I'm like, I never really talked to Tom for a very long time.
• 58:58
  So that was the first time we had a conversation like it was
• 59:00
  like an hour long. I'm like, hey bro, now that we
• 59:03
  get along with each other well, I'm even more sad that you guys
• 59:07
  didn't want to do the tour, that you guys couldn't do the tour
• 59:10
  and stuff and like, hold on, what are you saying?
• 59:13
  We I'm like you guys clearly said you don't want to do the
• 59:17
  tour. And it's like we said yes, 100
• 59:20
  times, but you guys told us that you don't want us on this tour.
• 59:24
  I'm like, what are you saying? You were the number one band
• 59:28
  that I wanted on this tour. He's.
• 59:31
  Like I remember getting told we might have this tour and we were
• 59:34
  like. You're like my #1 band and he's
• 59:38
  like, what are you saying? We got told that you would like
• 59:41
  that you went with steak because you like stick so much more.
• 59:45
  I'm like damn bullshit. Can I guess what happened before
• 59:48
  you tell me please? OK, so your old booking agent
• 59:53
  said we didn't want to do it and then put forward one of his own
• 59:57
  bands instead. No, because a booking.
• 1:00:01
  Stage did it, obviously, yeah. Does not book either steak nor
• 1:00:04
  you guys. We have to do a second part.
• 1:00:07
  We're going to have to do I. I want to finish the.
• 1:00:10
  Finish that and then I'll say what just happened.
• 1:00:12
  OK, the booking agent. So Tom Williams, he's the
• 1:00:17
  manager of landmarks. Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Does he has anything to do with play from within?
• 1:00:20
  No. No.
• 1:00:21
  OK, whatever. It's the.
• 1:00:23
  Same story because we've just gone from Stray and Stitcher
• 1:00:26
  guns. Now we're talking about
• 1:00:27
  landmarks and Play from within. Yeah, neither of those bands
• 1:00:31
  have been mentioned yet. So the book and age and the book
• 1:00:33
  that tour used to book landmarks.
• 1:00:36
  Tom Landmarks is land manager. And now yes.
• 1:00:39
  So Tom called that one book and age be like Landmarks is not
• 1:00:42
  going to work with you anymore. Because of that, no.
• 1:00:44
  No, no, no, in general. I did before this.
• 1:00:46
  You got it. You're not good enough for
• 1:00:48
  Landmarks or whatever reason. I don't know the reason why it
• 1:00:50
  took them away from him, but he was the one that called that
• 1:00:53
  book and age. But like Landmarks moves to
• 1:00:55
  another one. Yeah, he was obviously really
• 1:00:57
  mad at Tom, I think because landmarks at that point, yeah,
• 1:01:01
  big and upcoming and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:01:03
  I am 100% sure that that one booking agent just hates Tom
• 1:01:08
  because he did that to him with landmarks.
• 1:01:10
  That's why he told Tom, I don't want you guys and he told me Tom
• 1:01:13
  doesn't want to be on his tour. So he fucked that whole thing up
• 1:01:17
  as far as I know. And guess what?
• 1:01:21
  What we left him. Yeah, I know who is as well.
• 1:01:24
  Of course, without even having this conversation, I know
• 1:01:26
  exactly of. Course, you know, The thing is I
• 1:01:28
  have never talked to him about this and I want to hear from his
• 1:01:33
  mouth what was going on before I kind of like publicly call him
• 1:01:36
  out. What?
• 1:01:39
  I mean, if Tom tells me his story and I know my story, yeah,
• 1:01:42
  what the fuck should he say? Like no, Yeah, You know, I love
• 1:01:46
  stick to guns alone, but we had clear reasons why we were like,
• 1:01:50
  I won. I prefer stray 100 times over
• 1:01:54
  steak. And this is like, I love steak
• 1:01:56
  so much, don't get me wrong. So.
• 1:01:57
  You're saying we could have done that song?
• 1:01:59
  Yeah. Yes, not just a tour, but.
• 1:02:03
  Not about the song. Now you don't know.
• 1:02:06
  I think this is the perfect story for.
• 1:02:08
  Did the song come after the tour?
• 1:02:10
  We wrote it on tour because. Could have been my song.
• 1:02:13
  Great song, thank you. Proceeds went to Doctors Without
• 1:02:17
  Borders. Am I making that up?
• 1:02:18
  Is it called an English? Yeah, Doctors Without Borders.
• 1:02:20
  Yeah, yeah, Fucking great organization.
• 1:02:23
  That was great because Jesse, we confirmed stick after you guys
• 1:02:27
  didn't want to do the tour with us and we confirmed stake.
• 1:02:31
  They play the Euro tour. I went to see them.
• 1:02:32
  Chase was like bring us, bring us on a tour in Europe.
• 1:02:35
  I'm like, are you serious? Like you guys are bigger than
• 1:02:37
  us. It's like, no, I'm serious focus
• 1:02:39
  for Europe. I'm like, OK, so we did this
• 1:02:42
  American tour together. By that time, we already locked
• 1:02:45
  the next headline tour with them in Europe.
• 1:02:47
  We were like, you know what, let's write a song together
• 1:02:49
  because we're riding an EP right now on the road.
• 1:02:52
  Let's write one song together to push the tour.
• 1:02:54
  We locked ourselves in to a hotel room in Denver, Co one
• 1:02:58
  day, wrote that thing, and now they got loads of shit for
• 1:03:02
  political bullshit. We are neutral.
• 1:03:08
  Whatever. Very rare by Switzerland.
• 1:03:11
  There's no way you're giving to Doctors Without Borders neutral.
• 1:03:15
  No fucking way. We.
• 1:03:16
  Just want to make kind of a statement.
• 1:03:18
  Like I said, I think we said in the video, we stand for the what
• 1:03:22
  we think the right things. We want to say it once.
• 1:03:25
  You know what I like about that? I like to just fucking do shit
• 1:03:28
  with my wallet and my like. I believe in this one thing.
• 1:03:31
  I don't really care if it means I'm this or this or this.
• 1:03:35
  I'm going to use my shit and then I'm going to donate a bunch
• 1:03:37
  of fucking money to that thing. And if you don't like it, shut
• 1:03:39
  the fuck up. Yeah, that's what we did with
• 1:03:41
  the the song and the shirts and everything, just to be like,
• 1:03:43
  look, actions, not just words, kind of deals, you know, right.
• 1:03:49
  So that's how the song, it's your favorite song to play.
• 1:03:51
  You told me like Instrument of War, you'll really like this.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah, I mean, we never play it, but it's my favorite to listen.
• 1:03:58
  Oh to listen to. Motherfuckers hey been sat there
• 1:04:01
  for so long without talking I'm so sorry.
• 1:04:03
  I'm so sorry. Think that my favorite to play
• 1:04:05
  is not instrumental because we never play yet so.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah. What's your favorite play?
• 1:04:09
  Think Let me sleeps as my favorite because.
• 1:04:11
  It's fast. You like that fucking?
• 1:04:13
  As a drummer is like, interesting.
• 1:04:15
  You got a swivel going? Yeah, swivel, man.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah. Did you learn that or did it
• 1:04:19
  just happen? In terms of double bass, I am
• 1:04:21
  self-taught so it just happened. I'm a big fan of Eloy and he was
• 1:04:25
  a very humble and close friend to, you know, being able to
• 1:04:30
  watch him play. You met you like you tied with
• 1:04:33
  him. Yeah, actually I'm not.
• 1:04:35
  I'm not this kind of, let's say, online guy.
• 1:04:37
  So I just give it to me, you know, as an offline friendship.
• 1:04:40
  So I have a lot of his respect. He's my biggest idol.
• 1:04:43
  I met him once and I just got the best vibes from him straight
• 1:04:48
  away. I always try to be like him
• 1:04:50
  because it's like my main influence.
• 1:04:52
  He's a Brazilian hero as well for me.
• 1:04:54
  So yeah. And and he I think that I have
• 1:04:57
  this really something common with him that he is really
• 1:05:01
  worried about music. And I really try to be as as
• 1:05:05
  much as I can as like him because he's really great.
• 1:05:08
  And I try to, you know, learn from him.
• 1:05:10
  Just watching him, the double bass stuff.
• 1:05:12
  But yeah, so Let me sleep is the is the song and I play swivel
• 1:05:16
  and does the point swivel swivel.
• 1:05:20
  I don't know if it's the best technique to play like live the
• 1:05:23
  way. You play it.
• 1:05:23
  In session is no it works. It works.
• 1:05:26
  I I know like guys like Austin, he plays like with that fast
• 1:05:30
  tempos. It's crazy.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah. But I always like to, you know,
• 1:05:34
  do you have like the prep like big sound, you know, like do you
• 1:05:37
  trigger? No, I I don't like triggers, but
• 1:05:39
  I respect the ones that you will use it.
• 1:05:42
  I know that Coco or some guy, he likes to use it, but it's
• 1:05:46
  nothing something, it's not something that I normally use.
• 1:05:49
  Do you guys have a trigger on the kick?
• 1:05:51
  I think so. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:53
  I did. I know it's today.
• 1:05:54
  Your kick sounded really fucking good and all week on that stage
• 1:05:59
  the kicks have been sounding bad so I think if he did use trigger
• 1:06:03
  it was for the best. You guys sounded fucking great.
• 1:06:05
  Thank you. Sound was fucking amazing.
• 1:06:06
  Thank you so much. What snare do you play today?
• 1:06:08
  Let's get a little bit drumming for a second before we have to.
• 1:06:10
  Make sure I am recently just joined Tom of family.
• 1:06:13
  That's that's great. I'm super happy.
• 1:06:16
  So wait. Where's your symbols?
• 1:06:18
  No, no, no, no. No my symbols.
• 1:06:19
  Like the wrong ones. Yeah, I know.
• 1:06:20
  I play by C Yeah, Yeah, I know. You're Eli.
• 1:06:24
  You're Eli. You're Eli.
• 1:06:25
  That's fine, baby. You're.
• 1:06:26
  Swiss. It's about the Swiss.
• 1:06:28
  Oh, Swiss. Yeah, you're allowed that.
• 1:06:31
  You're allowed that shit. That's Eloy.
• 1:06:33
  Plus Swiss. You got.
• 1:06:35
  What has she got in there? Some Iron Maiden, some shit like
• 1:06:38
  that. I don't know.
• 1:06:40
  So it's spicy Tama and I love Tama as well as my favorite
• 1:06:43
  brand made. Sticks.
• 1:06:44
  What sticks you play? Promark probably playing with
• 1:06:47
  Promark. On the Big Fur.
• 1:06:48
  No, Yeah, yeah. This motherfucker on the Big
• 1:06:50
  Fur. Foreheads.
• 1:06:51
  I play with Evans as well, so. Nice.
• 1:06:53
  Perfect. That's perfect.
• 1:06:55
  We just got told off by the press agent, Charlie, who is the
• 1:07:01
  fucking GOAT by the way, I. Love her.
• 1:07:03
  But these guys are bus cool. That's.
• 1:07:05
  Annoying. We're talking about doing a Part
• 1:07:07
  2. Call me, I'm down 100% but we do
• 1:07:10
  it after the set so we can drink.
• 1:07:11
  Beer. I love it after the set it's my
• 1:07:13
  favorite shit. Good.
• 1:07:14
  Are you both going to be there? Yeah, this is the team for the
• 1:07:18
  whole fucking summer. Simon.
• 1:07:20
  Where's Simon? Simon, what is he?
• 1:07:23
  You know how much oh fucking one visa is?
• 1:07:26
  I ain't got that money. I wish I had that fucking money.
• 1:07:29
  I literally. Thought for the 1st 10 minutes.
• 1:07:30
  Simon is outside of this room, I know.
• 1:07:32
  Simon is in fucking Scotland, right?
• 1:07:35
  Now I realized like what, what what?
• 1:07:37
  What am I thinking? If I make enough money, Simon
• 1:07:39
  will be here next time and we'll have a bigger fucking room.
• 1:07:42
  Oh, I hate to leave. I hate to leave as well.
• 1:07:44
  And you used to tell me one thing.
• 1:07:45
  Were you just called Pale Face? Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  And then someone else was called Pale Face.
• 1:07:50
  So stupid. And they made you put Swiss.
• 1:07:52
  It's. Did you pick Swiss?
• 1:07:55
  We picked it because we had to. There's a Finnish musician
• 1:08:00
  called Pale Face. He is super cool.
• 1:08:03
  It's not him. Don't hate on him, he's nice.
• 1:08:06
  It doesn't bother anybody. But there's this American
• 1:08:09
  singer-songwriter couple that has not been releasing any music
• 1:08:13
  since fucking ages. I'm talking 1020 years.
• 1:08:16
  Sing a song about a couple. Couple.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah, brother and sister. Probably.
• 1:08:22
  Fucking that's stand up comedy 101.
• 1:08:25
  We're back anyway. Sorry.
• 1:08:26
  Carry on. They when we announced the first
• 1:08:29
  US tour, they obviously saw all somethings going on.
• 1:08:33
  We could make some money off of them.
• 1:08:35
  Let's try to sue them. They try to sue you.
• 1:08:37
  They they. Crazy.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, It's like, but yeah, they tried to sue us.
• 1:08:42
  Like they they, what's it called?
• 1:08:43
  They threatened to sue us or whatever.
• 1:08:46
  I'm like, we either have the time nor the money or whatever
• 1:08:50
  to do all of that. They own the rights.
• 1:08:53
  Apparently they used to own the rights in America for that name.
• 1:08:56
  We're like, you know what, bro? We just put Swiss there.
• 1:09:00
  So maybe the Americans will not mix us up with Sweden anymore.
• 1:09:04
  It helped a little. Bit it helped a little.
• 1:09:06
  Bit and if they would ever try to tour again in Europe.
• 1:09:11
  Oh, you're going to fucking smoke?
• 1:09:13
  Owl Revenge Pull out that expensive Swiss lawyers and be
• 1:09:17
  like guess who's laughing now B. Those are the Wolf of Wall
• 1:09:21
  Street lawyers as well. Those are the guys that fucking
• 1:09:24
  deal with the money laundering, which is.
• 1:09:26
  But you got a bank account. Yeah, I'll put some money in it.
• 1:09:29
  I mean, I live in Switzerland, of course I have a bank.
• 1:09:32
  I mean, let's talk after this. Missed the tax man.
• 1:09:35
  That was a joke. Thanks.
• 1:09:37
  Man, this is the tax man. That was a joke.
• 1:09:39
  I don't know how it worked offshore banking.
• 1:09:41
  I heard what you said in your vlog about making bags with
• 1:09:44
  music. Yeah, I want to do it.
• 1:09:46
  Hit me up when I got the bag or get that Nickelback gig.
• 1:09:49
  I'm like, bro, you want to you want to store some money?
• 1:09:52
  How? Long Nickelback, so much.
• 1:09:53
  Me too. I'm a Nickelback.
• 1:09:55
  Saying bro tattoo, No way. Oh my goodness, we.
• 1:10:00
  Get it out, Yeah. I'm kidding.
• 1:10:03
  Adam, a photographer. I love him to death.
• 1:10:05
  He's got he's got the car from all the right reasons.
• 1:10:09
  And I was like, you know what? I'll do the bridge from the long
• 1:10:11
  road. So you have the car and you
• 1:10:13
  would ride on me on the bridge. Funny, huh?
• 1:10:15
  Yeah. But The thing is that the tool
• 1:10:18
  looks it's by foremost our less the tool I have.
• 1:10:20
  I'm sorry about the two artists. I'm sorry, but it's bad.
• 1:10:23
  It looks like a really funny drunk at at from Star Wars, but
• 1:10:28
  it's supposed to be a bridge. Can we can we show?
• 1:10:31
  Can we show it a pic? The album all to work first.
• 1:10:34
  Yeah, that will be up right now, and then we'll get this tattoo
• 1:10:37
  out. Can you see this?
• 1:10:39
  It's Oh my God, yeah, OK, OK, it does look like a drunk AT-80
• 1:10:43
  Luke Skywalker just going through all those to fucking
• 1:10:45
  pull it down. Yeah, at least you got it.
• 1:10:48
  I ain't got a Nickelback to. See.
• 1:10:50
  I'm a Nickelback head though, and we are being cut short by
• 1:10:53
  the press agents and the powers that be.
• 1:10:55
  These guys were rained off. We didn't even talk about it.
• 1:10:57
  The hurricane pushed them back. They still came on the podcast.
• 1:11:01
  I've had a lovely time. Same.
• 1:11:03
  I want to do that part too. I love you boys.
• 1:11:06
  It's been fucking beautiful. Thank you so much.
• 1:11:08
  Let's. Do it again.
• 1:11:09
  Let's fucking do it. And actually in an edit, we
• 1:11:12
  talked about how I ghosted him about during the podcast in
• 1:11:15
  2024. And I will call him out on Part
• 1:11:18
  2. Well, guess what?
• 1:11:19
  He won't because I was in a very bad place.
• 1:11:22
  Peace.