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THE CARRICK CONUNDRUM: United Ready for Summer? 🔴 International Break Special · The Fellow Reds Podcast - Manchester United

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  He's coming and we're up to 3rd. So I think what he's doing is,
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  is, is amazing. If he keeps doing what he's
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  doing and keeping that win rate you, you've got to give him the
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  job. They won like 100 million from
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  him. He's had like half a good
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  season. It's that's not even that good.
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  It's like I don't want us to go anywhere near that kind of sign
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  in. How are we, fellow Reds?
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  And welcome to this bonus International Break episode with
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  me, Spen and Chaz. Before we get into it, as
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  and we want to make sure that you don't miss a thing.
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  But Jazz no Man United games to talk about, but lots going on in
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  the world of football. So we thought we'd jump on this
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  one and do a bit of a international break special.
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  But before we actually get into the the actual special topics,
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  let's have a look at some of the stuff that went on in football
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  since we last we last spoke. So from the top, no big
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  surprise, but he got, you know, here's no more.
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  Yeah, didn't see that come in. It really shocked me that one.
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  What a surprise. Yeah, obviously.
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  Obviously a bit of a shame with obviously their passive and his
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  father and stuff as well. And yeah, obviously hope he's
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  alright, but from a football point of view, bit of a
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  disaster. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like you do wonder what went through the heads.
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  I get that kind of I get that having that type of manager to
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  come in and try and save them basically like a bit Sean Dutch,
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  so like that. But to get one in from a
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  different countries never worked in Premier League.
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  Just seemed like a really, really odd idea.
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  I guess they were thinking, well, they're like geniuses if
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  it works, but now they look like absolute idiots.
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  And so yeah, yeah, odd, odd one like because there is managers
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  out there in the Premier League, you know, which probably could
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  have got more of a tune out of them.
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  But from what I read, like the players didn't buy in from the
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  start. You're stupid to bring him in
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  before the Arsenal game anyway. Like just do the after that
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  because it's a probably a lose, lose situation knowing that
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  you're probably going to lose. And then you've got this in the
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  United States, 0 balance. Just bad decisions really from
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  the board. We still having them to go down.
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  I think so, yeah. Like I was looking at the
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  fixtures the other day and like, I just don't see them winning
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  many of those games. And I kind of obviously trying
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  to pick up like Forest and West Ham picking up the other result
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  here and there so that they they have the least amount of
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  momentum, their momentum dropping rather than going the
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  other way. And I think the other teams have
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  a bit more fight about them. So they have to make this
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  appointment really quickly and the right one.
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  And obviously we never get into who's rumoured, which is
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  obviously deserving. But.
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  You must be, I'm assuming he'll they'll do some sort of like 7
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  game contract, keep him up. Then you get this one because we
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  apparently we offered him money. We couldn't pay him enough
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  right? So a couple of years back.
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  So what are they like they can't give him like a three-year
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  contract on crazy amounts of money if they're going to go
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  down because then they're they're in League One before we
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  know it. So like, yeah, it's I think
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  deserving again, just shuts A risky appointment at this stage.
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  I just think you need to get someone in temporary.
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  I like I think I said last part like get Harriet, you'll
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  probably do a decent job. Yeah, but it's just a risk all
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  round because for deserving as well, obviously only a few games
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  left. Obviously it really looks like
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  they're going down. And so it's obviously a red that
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  you probably more likely wants to see how the season ends,
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  which makes more sense. But surely he's not going to
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  come in now and try and you know, save the Daisy.
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  I'll be bonkers. And also the time football he
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  plays is like really high press, really energetic.
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  And from what you've seen from these players, maybe they'll be
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  different to Deserby, but like, they don't have that in them
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  really. They don't scream that sort of
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  type of play. So yeah, can it can he get can
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  that you can instill in them in seven games?
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  Probably not. So yeah, like I said, I think
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  it's a risky 1. I think Zerdi is a great choice
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  in the summer for them, but not in the championship.
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  Yeah. I don't know what we're going
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  to. Do I loved, I don't know if you
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  heard it, but I loved Daish and talk sport as well.
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  Basically saying that he got asked if he was going to you're
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  supposed to be the next spurs manager on you and he's like,
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  well, I'm sad having a Guinness next to you.
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  So unlikely. That guy is so good.
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  I just love I love his his ways. But yeah, more madness Spurs and
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  I'm sure it'll carry on. But in terms of manager
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  movements as well, another mad 1.
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  You mentioned the 80 odd year old Harry Redknapp coming in and
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  we thought it was a bit crazy but possible 78 year old Roy
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  Hodgson who's back in the dugout at Bristol City.
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  Yeah, I advise you up and coming mad, you young guy, Big Roy.
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  Yeah, fair place for him. Like I think I read that he did
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  he start there or he was there 50 years ago, something like
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  that. And he's he's going to help them
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  out. So yeah, it'll be interesting to
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  see how he gets on. 78 years young though, it just doesn't
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  feel like the the right age for a manager because he's such high
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  pressure, isn't it? And he's obviously got so much
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  experience, as would a Harry Redknapp.
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  But it's just a mad one to be called in on a 7 year old with
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  in theory all the managers out there that are probably looking
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  for work. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. If you're a young, often career
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  manager, you must be like but are you getting these dinosaurs
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  out? I know, I know, it's, it's, it's
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  football just feels extra bonkers at the minute.
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  But I thought that was a noticeable story since we last
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  met. And then moving away from
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  managers. Something else to pick up on.
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  MO Sala finally calling it a day at Liverpool.
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  Very good. I don't know, I think you might
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  be the prospect or something really.
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  Yeah, I saw that. And then he obviously kicks
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  kicked off all like the best Premier League players ever and
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  all this kind of stuff. And I send you the the the meme
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  or the the snippet from my name full of Gary Neville.
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  But he put him in best Liverpool player ever, but somehow he's
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  the second best Premier League player ever.
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  And then Gary's like, how does that even make sense?
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  He's not even the best Premier League Liverpool player ever.
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  So yeah, it's it's really annoying.
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  Obviously he's an amazing player.
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  Like got to admit that he's been terrorizing us for the years.
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  But like, recency bias is massive in football.
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  So yeah, quality player. 100% agree.
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  But yeah, he's he's not the best Premier League player ever.
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  No, and we're both we're both biased.
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  We're both biased, right. But when I see that as well,
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  again, I'm not disputing the impact he's had and the player
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  he's been. And obviously he's been
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  unplayable at times, but so have so many other players who have
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  done a lot more in the Premier League stats wise and trophy
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  wise as well. So when Carrick has given it all
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  this, what's he basing it on apart from his love for
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  Liverpool? And you know, you know, people
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  might say that me and you are doing it based on on United, but
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  I can name probably 5 players ahead of Salah in that list to
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  me in terms of what impact as well.
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  Well as well. Yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly that. You know, the likes of Onreen
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  sharer, there's a massive it's a massive list.
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  So to be so bold to say greatest ever and I've seen it in a few,
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  few places. I think it's madness.
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  But yeah, I think to be fair, they've had a mayor earlier on.
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  They should have just sent you money away in the summer.
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  I just gave a four. 100 KA week for a year.
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  Wasn't it a four? 50 KA week for Oh yeah, like
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  yeah. I assume that he's not.
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  I assume that he's probably he's just leaving.
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  They're not. They're not paying out his
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  contract. I'd assume because it was like a
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  three-year deal, wasn't it? He's given up as he's given.
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  He's given it up in terms of his his second, second year.
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  I think he's just kind of waived it.
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  So he can, he can, he can move on.
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  But yeah, like I say, being a player will not miss him.
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  And I definitely think Liverpool have had had a bit of a mare in
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  terms of how they've how they've handled it.
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  All the news before we get into the into the meat of this World
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  Cup stuff, obviously you're still buzzing with Scotland
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  being there. England are there as always, but
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  unfortunately Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland and
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  Wales crash out in the playoffs. Do you watch it?
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  Yeah, I saw the the Wales game and some of the highlights and
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  obviously disappointing for them and both ahead in the games and
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  to go out on penalties and on both cases is is pretty jetting.
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  And I know The Who was it Jacko like 86 minutes just like as you
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  still as you still can do a fair play though.
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  But yeah, so obviously you always want all the home nations
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  to basically be at the World Cup if you can, because it's it may
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  create a better atmosphere having that kind of bit of
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  friendly bounce between the fans and things like that.
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  And obviously when it's all in good, good-natured.
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  And then you have a guy that again, I think they were two up
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  and they can concede a late goal.
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  And then I think when when you're the team that concedes
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  late and then it goes to penalties, I think it's always
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  hard for the for them to kind of kick back any like look back at
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  the from nations one as well, like same sort of thing where
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  they missed that penalty and then they went on to win all
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  that kind of stuff. I think just effects it
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  mentally. I think from the Northern
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  Ireland center, they're always up against Italy.
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  No, no, no market prime Italy, but I think they're always kind
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  of second favourites to that one anyway.
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  Yeah, I agree. I think there's obviously that
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  rivalry there with the countries, but it'd be great to
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  have all the nations there and actually watch the Republic of
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  Ireland game. And they were so unlucky.
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  But some of it was their own downfall as well because they
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  were flying to begin with. And then he gave away stupid
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  penalty with an unnecessary tug. And then from then just seemed
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  to be nervous and just didn't look great.
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  So shame, shame, shame, shame. But yeah, I'm excited for us
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  that we're both there because it'll be some, it'll be good fun
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  in summer, but shame they didn't make it.
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  But yeah, it is what it is, isn't it?
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  I did enjoy some of the footage from the Republic of Ireland
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  fans in Prague as well. That looked like a lot of fun.
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  Looked very good, very good, right.
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  Turning our attention to United, just a couple of things before
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  we get into the meat of it, as you said.
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  So First off, a better news United are doing a four day
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  training camp in Dublin 46. One more, one more, the
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  training. Nice.
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  Warm weather training Guinness and rain pretty much yeah.
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  So I won't I won't mind the training camp in Dublin, but
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  mine would be Guinness focused yeah but yeah, that'll be
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  interesting about time away together as a team to hopefully
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  set us up for a really good end to the seasons.
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  Yeah good. And then the other, I guess
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  significant update is about the, the update from Colette Roche
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  about the, the stadium #1 being land assembly, the best possible
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  position for the stadium. So it'll be interesting to see
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  what that announcement is and exactly where it's going to be
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  positioned and investment. That was obviously the the
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  second point really this so hard to know that.
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  And obviously a few people are a bit upset with obviously this
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  private investment and what it might mean and and, you know,
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  more debt and that kind of stuff put on the club.
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  I can't pretend to know the insurance and outs of it.
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  And it was very loosely kind of mentioned and how this is going
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  to be funded. But, you know, I really hope we
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  learn from the past and some of the decisions we've made.
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  But yeah, that investment piece is a little bit worrying, isn't
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  it? Yeah, I think in the NFL, they
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  the clubs don't often own their own stadiums and then they rent
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  it and then the company who owns the stadium or built the stadium
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  makes all the revenue from like a big portion of tickets and all
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  the food and stuff because they're so that's a worry for me
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  if that's the the model we're going down.
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  Like I know like what's the point of having billionaire
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  owners if they don't use any of their money, like he's got 20
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  billion or everybody's got are going to any also having their
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  troubles. But it's like, I know it's easy
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  to say that from here, but like you come in and say you're going
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  to make a close investment, you're going to change the club
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  and you again, like the Glazer, you're trying to use other
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  people's money to do it. And you again, you're putting
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  more debt on us if we do go down this route because the private
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  equity route. And that's how it works.
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  It's like people don't invest in private equity, not wanting your
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  return. So how are you getting that
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  return? It's going to be from naming
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  rights, naming everything named seats like and then making all
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  the revenue from the tickets. And I don't want that
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  personally. I'd rather stay in Old Trafford
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  and get where and have more debt settled in the club because
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  what's the point of having 100,000 seats stadium if you're
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  not making the money off those 100,000 seats.
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  Yeah, it just feels it's all kind of crumbling from what it
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  was promised at the start, doesn't it?
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  Like just Blacklist coming in, obviously wanting to have a
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  legacy, give us a new stadium, all this kind of stuff.
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  And it just feels like just losing more and more trust in
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  him and how he's kind of operating and what we're
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  learning and a very kind of American model, as you say as
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  well, so. Steven Harrison talking about
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  the land that we need to build the new stadium we don't own
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  yet. It's owned by Freightliners like
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  that and they know we need it. So like apparently it's worth
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  £550,000,000 but they're like well you need it so we'll it'll
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  be 400 million and I will. And they don't need to sell it.
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  So it's just like it's like when we were trying to sell the bomb
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  squad. It's like everyone knows you
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  want to get rid of them but no one wants to pay 50 billion for
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  them. They want to spend 25,000,000 on
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  Rashford. It's like it's the same sort of
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  situation. Like why are we telling people
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  everything before all the ducks are in a row?
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  Like you didn't the United fan base wasn't expecting a new
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  stadium straightaway or anything.
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  So maybe go and buy the land first, get everything in order,
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  figure out how you'd pay for it and then tell everyone because
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  then everyone can see a plan. But they just look a bit like, I
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  don't know, these billionaire business people seem to be a bit
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  like doing a bit wrong. Like I obviously I'm not a
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  billionaire, so I obviously I'm not nearly as smart as you're at
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  click, but it just seems a bit of an odd way to be treating a
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  fan base. It's not buying a company,
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  you're buying it like a different sort of entity.
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  It's the biggest club in the world.
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  It's got the most followers. So everything, every little
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  decision you make has millions and millions and millions of
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  eyes on it. It's not like buying a new
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  refinery and some people in the gas industry get annoyed.
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  It's like 1 little thing you change as a massive fact on
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  millions of people's lives. And I think, I can't believe
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  they've not managed to figure that out yet.
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  So it's really frustrating. Yeah, it's just all this mixed,
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  mixed message you hear been coming out and confusion around
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  exactly what's happening and you want to trust in these people
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  and hope they've got the best interests of the the club at
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  heart. But just more and more I'm I'm
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  worried about that. But yeah, that was the update.
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  The Third Point of the update as well was just I guess the the
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  people coordination and who's going to be involved some more
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  chat about Sebco and Andy Burnham and all those other
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  people. But yeah, as you mentioned, it
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  was a it was an update, but a very loose one to say yeah,
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  things are happening. Yeah, just.
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  Just six years later than you wanted.
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  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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  We're going to, but we have build a stadium that's befitting
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  of our past but also fit for the future.
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  Fair enough. 100,000 CEO. I think we knew about that.
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  And as we've mentioned as well, you know the whole timeline
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  around 4 to five years for construction and we've not named
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  the date for opening, but we are on track.
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  Interesting, interesting. So yeah, it should have been a
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  significant update, but worth mentioning.
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  But not lots to get into yet, but we'll keep our eye on that.
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  But yeah, let's get into the the meat of why we we got together
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  today. So I think international break
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  no games to review our preview yet, but we thought we just have
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  a little look towards what's looking like a massive summer
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  summer for United are really, really big 1.
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  I actually heard Goldbridge, I think he was saying that he
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  thinks was an arsenal are the most ready to go for next
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  season. And obviously we've made
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  progress and under carrot. But when I started planning for
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  this and you start to look into it, I definitely got a little
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  less comfortable that we are one of the most prepared teams in
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  the next season 100. Percent not agree with that.
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  I know. Well, first of all, get into it,
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  but I think we're going to cover.
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  How you can say that we're a manager?
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly, exactly that.
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  Yeah. So #1 manager is a bit of a big
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  one. And then we've got the small
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  matter of insurance and outs of players as well.
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  So yeah, it doesn't feel super prepared, particularly not
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  committed to carry. It's hard to buy buyers who
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  don't know who they're going to be playing for as well.
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  So it's like. Yeah, yeah.
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  The chicken egg thing is like, well, yeah, it's, I would 100%
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  not agree that we're very prepared.
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  I don't feel so at all. But yeah, you know, Goldbridge
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  likes to say interesting things sometimes, to say the least.
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  But let's start with managing them because as you mentioned,
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  that's surely the biggest thing we've got to nail down.
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  And let's start with, let's start with Carrick.
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  You know, me and you are fans, you know, currently sitting in
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  3rd in a pretty nice spot, top of the farm table, you know,
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  since you joined with 23 points from a possible 30.
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  Just to get some of the stats out there before we dive into
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  it, he's won seven, he's lost one.
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  He's drawn two goals for his 20 and goals against 11.
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  And that's just in this stint. So obviously before in his
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  previous didn't, he'd had a two no win against Villarreal, A32
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  win against Arsenal and A11 draw against Chelsea.
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  So mentioning that just to, you know, give us all a better
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  context around the job he's, he's done and been doing pretty
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  good, right? According to Opta, we've got a
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  85.57% chance of making the Champions League this season,
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  which makes me nervous because. I wonder why?
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  It was pretty good. When he took out before he took
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  over. I wonder what those stats were
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  before. I wonder if it was like.
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  There were. 60 something maybe? 7th right.
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  Yeah, but we still only like a few points off.
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  But yeah, it kind of been like major capitulation to not get
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  it. Yeah, it's 14.43% of it is to go
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  wrong, but. Yeah.
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  So that, well that's some of the data.
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  But then from from your point of view, Chaz Michael Carrick, pros
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  and cons, what do you think? Pro Opera is obviously you've
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  just listed them with all the stats.
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  Basically it's like the performance on the pitch, the
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  results, the table. Like I think he's done better
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  than anyone would have expected. And it's almost like I feel a
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  bit bad for the way that he's done so well that now people
• 19:24
  were like criticizing him for, which is fine to criticize him,
• 19:28
  but almost forgetting what he's done and how bad we were and
• 19:32
  where we were and how many chances we had to be in the top
• 19:34
  4-5 throughout the season, which we never grasp.
• 19:37
  And he's come in and he's grabbed it and we're up to 3rd.
• 19:40
  So I think what he's doing is, is is amazing.
• 19:44
  Obviously we've discussed it on a few pods that there's been
• 19:47
  some, I guess slight concerns creeping in, which is fine to
• 19:51
  have. But overall you've got to say
• 19:53
  like if he keeps doing what he's doing and keeping that win rate,
• 19:59
  you've got to give him the job, right?
• 20:00
  Because the risk of not giving him the job.
• 20:04
  And bring someone else in and they're not working is massive.
• 20:07
  Particularly a manager from who's maybe not got experience
• 20:10
  in their Premier League or the options which are available in
• 20:13
  the Premier League aren't like you've got to get that manager,
• 20:18
  got to get an amazing like future world class manager type
• 20:22
  thing. None of them are standing out
• 20:23
  like that. So yeah, from my perspective,
• 20:25
  like the pros are massively outweighing the the negatives at
• 20:29
  the moment. The same, yeah.
• 20:32
  And like you, I'm trying to look at it kind of objectively as
• 20:35
  well and really, and you know, not be too biased by what's
• 20:39
  going on now, but he just, he's winning more often than not.
• 20:43
  Like you said, there's a couple of question marks over some of
• 20:46
  the performances, but getting the job done, just I'm doing it.
• 20:51
  There's a calmness around the club while he's there at the
• 20:53
  helm. He's kind of saying the right
• 20:55
  things, doing the right things. It looks the part now we always
• 20:58
  mention about he knows United and knows what we're about, but
• 21:00
  that is massive. And some some people above him
• 21:03
  have no idea what the club's about as well.
• 21:05
  So at least a manager who gets it is, is pretty important.
• 21:07
  You know, Jason Wilcox doesn't really know was apart from from
• 21:10
  the outside. Omar Browder doesn't know us
• 21:12
  from the outside as well. So the yeah, I totally agree in
• 21:16
  terms of the pros cons for me really, you know, of course he's
• 21:21
  lacking experience at the level, but we know other managers also
• 21:25
  have. Every manager has to like
• 21:27
  experience at some point, right? That's how you get experience.
• 21:30
  You go instantly become a world class manager.
• 21:32
  Like even if you look at pet, for example, like he still had
• 21:35
  to do stuff at Barcelona B beforehand and go in and kind of
• 21:41
  be groomed to that role and clock was an instinct success
• 21:45
  and he managed to win that one title eventually.
• 21:47
  So like, yeah, no one, no one's a world class manager on day
• 21:53
  one. Like you need experience and how
• 21:56
  do you get bigger experience if you're not allowed to be a big
• 21:58
  club? But it's just an odd criticism
• 22:02
  to to kind of throw people right.
• 22:05
  Yeah. And I'll meet Mikhail Arteta as
• 22:07
  well. Obviously another one.
• 22:10
  There's examples there, but I understand it obviously if there
• 22:13
  is, if there was an obvious and we'll get into some of the
• 22:15
  options, yeah, potentially. But if there's, if there's a
• 22:18
  manager out there where you just think this guy's got it all and
• 22:21
  all and he's available, I understand that.
• 22:23
  But. Yeah.
• 22:23
  Have you had a pet available now?
• 22:26
  Let's say literally pet was available.
• 22:27
  He hasn't been at City for the last eight years, right.
• 22:30
  He's been at, I know AC Milan, he's 100% go do everything to
• 22:34
  get Pat and we'd love him as a manager.
• 22:37
  And you'd probably say that about maybe we're going to
• 22:40
  discuss, but there's not no one out there that you like.
• 22:44
  You've got a game even like Ancelotti's a great, amazing
• 22:46
  mind and amazing. But he's he's getting on a bit.
• 22:49
  So is that really like a long term goal?
• 22:51
  So you just think, yeah, there's so much risk involved with any
• 22:56
  of a choice when there's no obvious choice, if that makes
• 22:58
  sense. Yeah, and and like you said as
• 23:02
  well, it's, you know, we're all kind of enjoying it at the
• 23:04
  moment. And if we if we RIP Carrick
• 23:06
  away, then there's always going to be that what if question,
• 23:09
  isn't it? I mean, let's look at the other
• 23:10
  side of it. We're definitely like burnt by
• 23:14
  the Ollie experience, which I think sometimes we don't look
• 23:17
  back on that properly either as well.
• 23:19
  But I do think there's a lot of people worried that it's just
• 23:21
  going to be an Ollie Mark 2 and we'll give him the job, we'll
• 23:25
  over commit and then it'll it'll go very well.
• 23:29
  Ollie Mark 2 though, while he came second and third and got to
• 23:33
  Europa League final. Yeah, like that was obviously
• 23:36
  not accessory in the old standards, but we've got so much
• 23:39
  worse since then. Like if you get if say Carrick
• 23:43
  takes over and his first season he comes second and third and he
• 23:45
  gets to a final Europa European competition final and maybe he
• 23:49
  wins it. I don't think people are going
• 23:51
  to be climbing for his sacking. Obviously Finale got sacked, he
• 23:54
  was further down but like you can look a lot more positively
• 24:00
  back on socials performance now in the light of hard badly
• 24:07
  anyone else's name? No.
• 24:10
  And to be honest with each other, really just trying to
• 24:12
  kind of bring the devil's advocate a little bit so we
• 24:14
  properly assess him. But yeah, I think there is some
• 24:17
  of that in the thinking, right? And there's obviously probably a
• 24:20
  little bit looking at his Burr experience where he started
• 24:23
  really well and then he kind of tailed off in his second season
• 24:26
  and obviously ultimately ended up getting the sack.
• 24:27
  But surely as well, that's a learning experience from him
• 24:31
  where it doesn't mean that that's going to be how it goes.
• 24:34
  Again, you'd hope that a clever guy like him and what he's been
• 24:38
  doing, he's going to learn from that experience, right?
• 24:40
  And think, OK, he'll be, if anyone's going to be aware of
• 24:42
  that, there'll be nobody more so than him thinking, yeah, in my
• 24:46
  last job, this happened, so how do I stop that happening again?
• 24:48
  And he's got, he's pulled some good experience around him as
• 24:52
  well to hope to learn from that. But yeah, they're they're
• 24:54
  probably the things that people are of leveraging.
• 24:57
  I am. Yeah, One thing from me, I guess
• 25:01
  is the the lack of, I guess it's not necessarily a Plan B as
• 25:08
  such, because we are on the whole, we've been winning lots
• 25:10
  of the games. It's just maybe not seeing
• 25:13
  enough for those changes. Or again, there's not a lot you
• 25:16
  can change when the squad's so thin.
• 25:18
  But like, yeah, maybe Cesco should have been starting more.
• 25:21
  Is that kind of a the blocker to his style that he he only wants
• 25:26
  to play the certain style? He doesn't really want that type
• 25:28
  of forward? I don't know.
• 25:29
  I guess I'm just trying to think of another potential con.
• 25:33
  But again, you hope that we're a bigger squad, more competitions.
• 25:36
  You'd see is that sort of flexibility next season.
• 25:40
  So yeah, that's probably it. I can't really see like he's
• 25:46
  he's overachieved at everyone's expectations and you've got to
• 25:51
  take a positive from that, not negatives because it's similar
• 25:54
  to what Ollie did and we sucked Ollie like two seasons later.
• 25:58
  Like I think you just got to be enjoying it and then take a full
• 26:04
  review at the end of the season essentially and see where he
• 26:06
  stands. But if he continues at a win
• 26:09
  rate, like I think it's madness to to look elsewhere really.
• 26:16
  Yeah, we don't have to commit to a 10 year contract or any you
• 26:19
  know what I mean? It could be we could be sent,
• 26:21
  I'm sure Carrie could be kind of open that to that as well
• 26:24
  because of the the opportunity that he's got.
• 26:26
  So so yeah. And it just on that point then
• 26:29
  in terms of a processing chance where the people I I get a
• 26:32
  little bit confused by what I hear in the media because we
• 26:34
  heard that kind of Jason Wilcox had started this process of
• 26:38
  identifying the next replacement.
• 26:41
  But then more recently, I've been hearing that apparently
• 26:43
  there's been no. Transport to anyone?
• 26:45
  Yeah. With with potential candidates
• 26:48
  so. I felt like that can't be it
• 26:50
  must be there must be conversations in the background,
• 26:52
  maybe not official. We like talking to clubs
• 26:55
  managers about talking to their manager or talking to Brazil
• 26:58
  talk to you know, I mean, there must be apparently Omar Brad has
• 27:02
  got like an amazing network. So he's probably talking to
• 27:05
  agents. And so I think there must be
• 27:07
  there must be whispers and stuff.
• 27:08
  If not, again, I'm very concerned by this structure if
• 27:12
  they're not talking to people, but you've got to you get a got
• 27:14
  to be same. Can you think about the way we
• 27:16
  went about the transfers last summer?
• 27:19
  Like they got this stuff done quick.
• 27:20
  We knew who were going after and obviously the umbrella dragged
• 27:23
  out, but everyone knew who were going after.
• 27:25
  He wanted to come. I just gotta think they must be
• 27:28
  doing in a similar way. But like those things like the
• 27:31
  Kuna one, we signed in like 5 days after the news broke about
• 27:34
  it. So maybe it'll be a similar sort
• 27:36
  of thing like that where it's suddenly carrots got the job or
• 27:40
  by doing Naggles and it's coming in, you know?
• 27:42
  I mean like, I think. I'm hoping that's the case
• 27:45
  anyway. Yeah.
• 27:47
  And just for the due diligence as well, right, of obviously
• 27:50
  doing this properly and it's not disrespectful to Carrick.
• 27:53
  It's, it's what we should be doing as a proper club and a
• 27:55
  proper outfit of obviously doing our homework.
• 27:57
  And if we do decide just to carry on with Carrick, as we've
• 28:00
  mentioned, at least we can say we have had some conversations,
• 28:03
  we've heard what other managers have had to say, checked the
• 28:05
  availability and we've made an informed decision to kind of
• 28:09
  move forward with Carrick based and everything he's done, but
• 28:12
  also what is available out there and stuff.
• 28:14
  So I really, really hope that we have been doing what we, you
• 28:17
  know, that as you say, let's get into some of the potential
• 28:22
  candidates then that may or may not have been spoken to.
• 28:25
  I think in terms of odds and the names, we've been hearing the
• 28:28
  list that I've got and feel free to Chuck some other ones in our
• 28:30
  chest as well as yet. Luis Enrique, you mentioned
• 28:33
  Nagles men, Eriola and Emery. Any others that you think?
• 28:39
  There was, Glasner was in there a bit, Deserby's been in there a
• 28:43
  bit. And apparently again, some of
• 28:45
  the old podcasts from The Athletic over this is probably a
• 28:48
  couple of months back now. I mentioned them being people
• 28:50
  they were looking at, but yeah, they're probably the main the
• 28:54
  main ones. Yeah, well, let's maybe dive
• 28:59
  into them. I think the Glasner thing is
• 29:01
  he's got to be unlikely now, right?
• 29:03
  With this kind of how he, you know.
• 29:04
  Yeah, I think so. I wouldn't want him anyway.
• 29:07
  Definitely not. No, same.
• 29:11
  Obviously with his, he's in preferring a bit of a 352 as
• 29:14
  well. Yeah, is an interesting bit.
• 29:17
  Emery, I can't see it really. Can you?
• 29:20
  No, I think, I think he's doing a good job at Villa and I think
• 29:26
  he I think he almost deserves another big club, but not
• 29:31
  United. I think it's like a big club in
• 29:36
  Spain or like could he do enough let's go Madrid or could he do
• 29:40
  AAC or Inter or UVA? I kind of see him doing well
• 29:44
  over there, but don't see him like I really like him.
• 29:48
  He's a great manager. I don't think he's quite there
• 29:53
  for us. He doesn't quite do it for me.
• 29:56
  Now same. And it seems to have almost
• 29:58
  quieted down on him and Links anyway, and I don't know if
• 30:01
  that's tied to Villa having a bit of a drop off, but yeah, I
• 30:05
  don't really see that either. And he's not someone I would be
• 30:08
  excited to replace Carrick, I don't think.
• 30:12
  But yeah, Areola obviously has been doing really well, to be
• 30:16
  honest, from what I've been hearing more recently.
• 30:18
  I think he's just Bilbao bound. I think that's it just feels
• 30:21
  like a good fit. And yeah, he's been quizzed
• 30:25
  about it. He keeps calling it his club and
• 30:28
  I think if that. If his contract's off as well,
• 30:30
  right? And this, yeah, I again, if I
• 30:36
  basically know, is my word on him.
• 30:38
  I just don't think he is. He's a solid Premier League
• 30:44
  manager and maybe he'd go away to Bilbao and do really well and
• 30:48
  challenge the league or something like that there, but I
• 30:51
  just don't see, I don't think the step up there.
• 30:54
  He's too risky. He's a bit hammering me.
• 30:57
  Obviously it's a Premier League experience, but Nah, just it's
• 31:01
  just not a big enough character for it, I don't think.
• 31:06
  Yeah, we've, we've seen it's a totally different job in it as
• 31:09
  well. Like look at Thomas Frank doing
• 31:11
  really good job at Brentford, then going to Spurs and having a
• 31:14
  nightmare. And it I don't think it
• 31:17
  guarantees you probably, you maybe deserve a chance because
• 31:21
  you've been doing so well at a smaller club with smaller
• 31:23
  resources. But I don't think that's a
• 31:25
  natural transition into a big opportunity like United and
• 31:29
  being probably a bit disrespectful to some other
• 31:31
  clubs. But go and cut your teeth at
• 31:33
  Spurs or somewhere on that global level before you try and
• 31:37
  get yeah, exactly. Before, before you get, you
• 31:41
  know, an opportunity of Man United.
• 31:43
  I think you should be, yeah, you should be at a level and
• 31:46
  obviously that goes against what we were just talking about in
• 31:48
  terms of Carrick, but Carrick's at least got that connection
• 31:52
  with the club. He's also doing the job already.
• 31:55
  That's the thing. He's already in the job.
• 31:57
  So like, yeah, if this was, I know, say I know someone else
• 32:02
  had taken over and just kept just kind of ticking over and it
• 32:06
  wasn't doing well, maybe we'd get 5th on that.
• 32:08
  But if Carrick's name was in there and he hadn't been there,
• 32:12
  that we no one would consider him.
• 32:14
  But at the end of the day, he has to be considered now because
• 32:16
  he's basically doing the job he's doing well.
• 32:18
  So that's why his name's in there versus an area and why I'd
• 32:22
  probably rather keep character and risk a kind of up and coming
• 32:27
  trendy ish smaller club manager. Yeah, no, a great point.
• 32:34
  I agree with you. Let's then maybe look at two of
• 32:39
  the bigger names who could be more of a of a fit.
• 32:44
  And then one day it looks like it could happen.
• 32:46
  One day it looks like it's totally off.
• 32:48
  But the two probably that I keep hearing is now Guzman and
• 32:52
  Enrique. What do you think about those
• 32:53
  two? So Enrique obviously is the one
• 32:56
  that I would probably the only one that I'd probably be excited
• 32:59
  about over Carrot. And he's probably the only one
• 33:04
  that would go actually. It's worth the gamble.
• 33:07
  Say Carrot gets third. I think I'd still want Carrot.
• 33:11
  But if they did switch and it was to like Lewis, Enrique, you
• 33:14
  go, OK, fair enough. The guys won two trebles.
• 33:17
  He probably he might. He's got a decent chance of
• 33:19
  winning another treble this year.
• 33:22
  Yeah. So you got to go.
• 33:24
  Well, yeah, but the risks are still massive.
• 33:27
  He's not worked in the Premier League.
• 33:29
  The squad that we have isn't as good as the PSG squad.
• 33:33
  It's not as good as obviously not as good as Neymar, Messi and
• 33:37
  Suarez when he won the other treble.
• 33:38
  So how does he translate? And we won't have half a billion
• 33:44
  to spend in the summer, which could turn that squad into
• 33:47
  because if he came and goes, OK, I want if I want this massive
• 33:52
  war chest to build my team and it, and it's not so far away
• 33:56
  that you don't, you probably need like 5 world class
• 33:59
  signings. The five world class signings is
• 34:01
  500 million pretty much. So then I'll be very confident
• 34:08
  when coming in. But because that doesn't exist,
• 34:10
  then there's still massive risk involved with him.
• 34:13
  But he's the one I would least, be least scared of having and
• 34:17
  the most excited about having. And then I was man.
• 34:21
  I'm less on him. Let's kind of again, I'll
• 34:26
  probably just choose Karakov and I was man, just because he's
• 34:31
  like a better hipster version of like 10 Haag.
• 34:35
  I think he's like 10 but better. But is he good enough for us or
• 34:41
  not? He obviously won stuff at
• 34:42
  buying, but not enough stuff. And so like, we've only lost
• 34:47
  people out with the board and stuff at buying.
• 34:49
  But that's a slight concern. And he's been international
• 34:52
  football for the last couple of years.
• 34:54
  I'll see if he wins the World Cup with Germany, which I don't
• 34:56
  think he'll do. Yeah, again, doesn't get me
• 34:59
  super excited. I don't know what you think on
• 35:00
  those two. Yeah, yeah, I think you nailed
• 35:04
  it. He's now goes man just feels
• 35:06
  slightly and this might be unfair to him because I don't
• 35:08
  know loads and loads about him, but feels us a little bit
• 35:11
  unproven. And obviously that could be
• 35:13
  exciting to maybe bring him in and see him grow, but I don't
• 35:17
  know it's. Been bad.
• 35:21
  Yeah, so we've been burnt by many, many, but the problem is
• 35:24
  we've been burnt by all kinds of unproven.
• 35:29
  Yeah. So that's why I'm just really
• 35:31
  nervous about all of these. But I do agree with you, just
• 35:33
  based on, you know, where he's at in his career, what he's won
• 35:36
  already. Enrique is probably the only one
• 35:38
  where I'd say fair if he's available.
• 35:41
  You know, what's a really good plan, an idea across and it fits
• 35:45
  with, again, really importantly for me, fits with how Barada and
• 35:50
  Wilcox see United and a United manager and, you know, carrying
• 35:54
  on kind of what Carrie's done and started not coming in and
• 35:58
  saying, right, we're doing things my way, completely
• 36:00
  different. It has to be a fit for the
• 36:02
  United Way and the United philosophy.
• 36:04
  And if, you know, Enrique can kind of show that and bring them
• 36:08
  his experience and his track record, fine.
• 36:11
  But Finger agreed. Jazz at me.
• 36:14
  His character isn't it. Until there was a reason not to.
• 36:18
  Yeah, I think I saw that Enrique maybe said he's probably going
• 36:23
  to sign a contract extension. I think I saw again on some of
• 36:27
  these. So I think he's probably not
• 36:28
  even available anyway. So in that case, it's 100% got
• 36:32
  to be Kayak unless we lose the next 7 and end up in the Europa
• 36:35
  League or something like that. I don't know.
• 36:36
  But yeah, yeah, I just don't think there's enough desirable
• 36:41
  candidates out there that are worth the risk.
• 36:44
  I think there's one and that's Enrique.
• 36:46
  I don't think he's going to come so.
• 36:49
  Now there's a clip of of him with a fan who kind of said I
• 36:52
  want you to stay, and he kind of said me too.
• 36:54
  And then he mentioned the United job and he kind of laughed it
• 36:57
  off. So you never know what that
• 36:58
  means. But yeah, I think we're both,
• 37:01
  we're both pretty agreed on the Carrick obviously just mentioned
• 37:03
  in a couple of the names, so too cool.
• 37:05
  And Ancelotti, we pretty much know they're both out as well.
• 37:08
  Right. With that, I think those
• 37:10
  contracts, yeah. He's loving his life on the
• 37:14
  beach in Brazil. Yeah.
• 37:18
  So yeah, going back to us being totally prepared, that's just
• 37:22
  the manager. But like I say, I think spending
• 37:25
  Chaz A-Team Carrick until convinced otherwise, like say,
• 37:30
  don't have to throw a 10 year contract at him, but let's keep
• 37:34
  this going and hope he can come back from his Dublin camp and we
• 37:38
  can have a great end to the season.
• 37:40
  And then we can go into somewhere with a better
• 37:42
  stability because then Jazz got the small matter of a team to
• 37:48
  sell out as well as the manager. So let's have a look at this.
• 37:52
  And so we're talking about transfers.
• 37:55
  So I say silly seasons kind of started, but does it ever go
• 37:58
  away with Man United? We're seeing players every day.
• 38:00
  With. This agent, Yeah.
• 38:04
  So let's get into it. I think before we look at ends,
• 38:07
  let's just quickly cover out because there's a bit of stuff
• 38:10
  to do on that side of thing. Yeah, this summer.
• 38:13
  So let's go from Casamero. We know it's kind of the end.
• 38:18
  Yeah, Yeah. More recently, kind of been
• 38:21
  asked about that again. That sounds a bit right into
• 38:25
  Miami, LA guy to see what I've heard.
• 38:27
  So yeah, look, you see him in the pink of into Miami.
• 38:31
  I think it'd be pretty. They seem to be hiring the old
• 38:34
  kind of next bus there in real stars.
• 38:39
  Can see that with his David Beckham links.
• 38:41
  Yeah, we've debated, obviously, whether he should stay and could
• 38:45
  it be good to have a bit of crossover.
• 38:47
  But fair play to him, you know, and if he can end on a high, get
• 38:50
  us in the Champions League, score a few more goals,
• 38:53
  Wonderful. I'm going to ask Bruno
• 38:56
  Fernandez. No.
• 38:58
  Will he stay? For sure.
• 38:59
  Yes, yeah, if he doesn't have the human like he's got to stay
• 39:07
  like you can't replace him like so yeah, doesn't matter.
• 39:12
  Like if you've got 100 million from now, like I might well who
• 39:16
  are you going to replace him with?
• 39:19
  Who's going to deliver that many goals and assists and chances
• 39:21
  created and he's going to get better at that when he has a
• 39:24
  better midfield behind him or more just keep me feel behind
• 39:27
  him. So yeah, absolutely ludicrous to
• 39:31
  selling. So I'm definitely hope we do
• 39:33
  not. Let me be cheeky.
• 39:36
  So a scenario Cole Palmer's kicking off at Chelsea, Man
• 39:43
  United Fund, Cole Palmer becomes available for us for.
• 39:46
  Obviously it would probably be significant money, but it means
• 39:49
  kind of a Bruno out a Cole Palmer in what you're thinking.
• 39:52
  No, not doing it. No, like I, I think I rate him,
• 39:57
  but look at his stats. Like obviously it's not all
• 40:00
  about stats, but. You see just the outputs not
• 40:04
  been, especially this last season, like you're just not
• 40:06
  there. And obviously I love him at the
• 40:08
  club, but not not in face of Bruno.
• 40:11
  What would be ideal is you could bring him in.
• 40:13
  You learn from Bruno. That'd been incredible for like
• 40:16
  the last couple of seasons. But yeah, 350 million, what
• 40:19
  would be then? Also, I don't think we need that
• 40:22
  position is not one of my top priorities at all.
• 40:26
  No. And obviously I'm being cheeky,
• 40:29
  but Can you imagine as well if Bruno actually left this summer?
• 40:31
  Because we're winning the Prem next year, aren't we?
• 40:33
  So he can't leave the year before after all he's done?
• 40:35
  Exactly. Yeah, you know, all right, good.
• 40:39
  Bruno stay and Bruno stay. And then we've got, we've got a
• 40:42
  list of players who are kind of on loan with some pretty much
• 40:45
  done, but then there's still some question marks.
• 40:48
  So we've got Highland, Rashford, Anana and Sancho out on loan I
• 40:53
  think. Highland.
• 40:54
  Is pretty much done right and Napoli want him.
• 40:57
  They're probably getting. 5 million.
• 41:02
  Yeah, although we've been stung before with Chelsea paying a
• 41:06
  blooming fee to get out of an obligation.
• 41:09
  If that did happen with Ireland, it's not as nowhere near as bad
• 41:14
  as if I haven't with Sunshine. First of all, you can probably
• 41:16
  sell them somewhere else. And if he was in the squad still
• 41:20
  like he's not, it's not Sancho level.
• 41:23
  He could be a decent backup but I don't think that'd be a
• 41:27
  question anyway. They like me scoring goals so
• 41:29
  definitely need to consider. That so Highland Harlan's gone,
• 41:33
  as you mentioned, Sancho. Is it just cut ties, do you
• 41:36
  think? Sancho?
• 41:37
  See. Yeah.
• 41:38
  I think he's done his contracts done anyway, so he's gone.
• 41:41
  Yeah, gone. She's gone, right?
• 41:42
  He's assuming. We're not going to opt to do the
• 41:44
  plus year one or if there is one, good riddance and.
• 41:49
  That, yeah. And Anna?
• 41:51
  No way back, right? Apparently he I saw an article a
• 41:55
  few weeks ago and saying he wants to come back and fight.
• 41:57
  I think that's just, I think he'll be, he'll be sold that
• 42:02
  huge loss. I want to play.
• 42:04
  I want to play for United Jazz. But exactly.
• 42:07
  Yeah. It will it will be a huge last
• 42:10
  point. So we thinking he's gone.
• 42:12
  Yeah. And then it's an interesting 1.
• 42:16
  Marcus Rashford obviously you know, along on social now you
• 42:20
  just see in all these little runs and doing bits and he's
• 42:22
  Basil on the time we're going to get into it but left, you know,
• 42:27
  wing left side is something we are looking at definitely gone.
• 42:31
  He's gone. Yeah.
• 42:34
  Yeah, I think also I think he's kind of like, he's kind of not,
• 42:42
  he's tainted in itself with the club, but a kind of the way
• 42:45
  Brennan left. He's burnt some bridges and I
• 42:47
  think the best for everyone is for him to leave an ideal it be
• 42:52
  to Barcelona for whatever pathetic amount they try to pay,
• 42:56
  26 million or something stupid like that, and they're not even
• 42:58
  trying to pay that. So yeah, he'll be gone.
• 43:02
  Surely not though. And please not another loan like
• 43:05
  we just try to keep getting I. Think also now you can be like,
• 43:10
  well we'll sell them someone else because I think he's played
• 43:12
  well enough that other clubs would be in for him now because
• 43:13
  it was a bit of stuff last season.
• 43:15
  They weren't sure about his how he's been playing.
• 43:18
  But I think because he's been playing away play well for him
• 43:20
  and apparently the other night so so he's probably going to get
• 43:23
  in the World Cup squad. So I think, yeah, I think he'll
• 43:28
  he'll go and I think it will be to Barcelona.
• 43:32
  Fair. OK, that's that, that crop done
• 43:35
  then and sorted. Then I guess under that there's
• 43:38
  by India, Molassia, Agate, Xerxe and maybe even Mason Mount.
• 43:44
  What do you think about that crop of people?
• 43:46
  By India can go fine without it, can go to use room to go to
• 43:50
  Turkey because you've got that live from the Bristol City.
• 43:57
  The tech apparently he's really good.
• 43:59
  He's been like player of the month for lots of the months of
• 44:02
  season 4 then. So he can come in if he wants
• 44:05
  to. He's only like 2122.
• 44:07
  So you can come and be the understudy or even push lemons
• 44:12
  for the number one spot potentially.
• 44:14
  So I think that's that kind of position sorted.
• 44:16
  The last year needs to go. We got a if we can get like 30
• 44:21
  million for him or something. Happy for him to go dirty, it's
• 44:25
  just not worked so I think it's better for him to go as well.
• 44:30
  Yeah. And Matt I think I would keep
• 44:34
  because he was probably one of the better players in the
• 44:36
  armroom when he was fit. The issue with Matt has always
• 44:38
  never been his ability, just his having him on the pitch enough
• 44:44
  to show that ability. So I'd probably keep him.
• 44:48
  I think he's a good squad player, particularly in the
• 44:51
  Champions League and stuff like that.
• 44:52
  For assume we get into that. I think we need, we can't sell
• 44:55
  that many players basically. Yeah, true, I think I agree with
• 45:00
  you on them. I'd be very happy if we got 30
• 45:03
  mil for a Gatti. I can't really see it, but you
• 45:04
  never know. Yeah, like Josh, as you said,
• 45:08
  don't really think it's kind of worked out, kind of bought for a
• 45:11
  different system in a different way.
• 45:12
  So I feel a little bit sorry for him.
• 45:14
  There's definitely, there's a player in there, as I called
• 45:16
  him, the Daniel Long Legs, but it's just not really, I don't
• 45:20
  think he's that he's necessarily the one for us.
• 45:22
  So I'd definitely be open. To Italy.
• 45:24
  Offers on that and I probably do, you know what, I really like
• 45:28
  Mount and I like what he's about, but there is a big
• 45:30
  question mark over his availability and that kind of
• 45:32
  stuff. So if an interesting bid came
• 45:35
  in, I'd definitely listen to it, I think.
• 45:37
  Yeah, what's an interesting bid, though.
• 45:41
  Yeah. 20,000,025 mile. Amount, maybe, yeah, just with
• 45:47
  what we're trying to do, yeah, I'm realistic now.
• 45:49
  We don't, we don't make any money on players anymore and we
• 45:52
  lose money all the time. But if it's not a joke of a loan
• 45:56
  or it's, you know, something that we could use to actually
• 45:59
  reinvest, like 2020 Plus, I'd probably listen to it just
• 46:04
  purely based on availability and what we might be able to do with
• 46:08
  that money. Yeah.
• 46:11
  I agree. All right, out sent, pretty much
• 46:13
  sorted. That's good.
• 46:15
  So then hopefully we clear the decks, we finally do get rid of
• 46:20
  some of them players who have been clinging on. 1st off, Jazz,
• 46:24
  I've got a bit of an order that I think is the priority of ends
• 46:27
  and I want to get your opinion. So I'm saying #1 and has been
• 46:32
  for probably God knows how many years.
• 46:34
  And number six, Yeah, I agree. Any question marks?
• 46:38
  I agree. All right, number #2, I'm saying
• 46:41
  a #8. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:44
  So like basically a second midfielder like I don't like,
• 46:47
  yeah, my my hesitancy is like depending on who you sign of
• 46:52
  those two, does it kind of change what those how those
• 46:56
  midfielders 3 work together with Bruno, Kobe, etcetera?
• 47:01
  How does it all work together? So but yes, two midfielders is
• 47:04
  my top 2 for sure. All right, well, let's get into
• 47:08
  them too straight away then, because I think you've raised a
• 47:10
  good point. Sometimes I'm a bit confused
• 47:12
  with some of the the people were being linked with us to kind of
• 47:15
  visit a classic number six. Is it a bit more of an 8?
• 47:18
  How does that work with Cobby Mania as well?
• 47:20
  But starting with the number six, and I think that the true
• 47:24
  number six is I would see them and the main names I think we've
• 47:27
  been linked with are Elliot Anderson, also strong ties with
• 47:31
  Man City potentially in terms of them being interested and then
• 47:35
  constantly from last summer as well.
• 47:37
  The Libra. Would you add anyone into that
• 47:39
  mix? Is like a out and out six I'm
• 47:42
  that I'm missing? Not really.
• 47:48
  The thing is with Anderson, I would say he's more than a six.
• 47:55
  He's he's very different to believer and he's he's got a lot
• 47:59
  more progressive passing. He pops up on the wings and
• 48:02
  things like that. So I think he is a six, but he's
• 48:05
  a different 6, if that makes sense.
• 48:08
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 48:11
  And then you've got where does Bruno give her a shit?
• 48:17
  Does he? Because.
• 48:20
  Yeah, I put that well, it's a good point You raised that
• 48:22
  because in the 8 category, and obviously we're interchanging
• 48:24
  these two roles because obviously they're very closely
• 48:27
  linked. Obviously we've got the rumours
• 48:30
  have started a bit more around Tanali more recently and I see
• 48:33
  him as more of an 8 and a six. Same with Adam Wharton as well.
• 48:37
  Because when I look at Newcastle, and again, I might be
• 48:39
  completely wrong here, I don't watch enough of Newcastle to
• 48:42
  really, really know. But I kind of feel that like
• 48:45
  Bruno feels almost like the deeper Lion and then Somali get
• 48:49
  Tanali kind of moving forward. But I've got like completely
• 48:51
  wrong. That's how I Sir, I I see Tanali
• 48:55
  as he's got more legs than gimmers, but then gimmers been
• 49:02
  popping up with goals and all sorts.
• 49:03
  I don't really know, I probably don't watch.
• 49:05
  Enough. Of them either, yeah, because
• 49:08
  then again, thinking of the Anderson and Belabor thing, I
• 49:10
  think they have two very different players, but can both
• 49:13
  play in that position depending on who you've got next to them.
• 49:17
  But I think like what I've heard on a couple of podcasts, so
• 49:22
  maybe even The Athletic, it was, but it was that.
• 49:27
  But Labour basically is almost like a done deal.
• 49:30
  And then it's the Labour and other and that is then Anderson,
• 49:35
  Denali, Wharton, gimmers, all those kind of options is what I
• 49:43
  heard recently on I think is The Athletic.
• 49:47
  So I don't know if that's true, but I guess they're thinking we
• 49:51
  really liked the Labour last year.
• 49:53
  We saw him as £100 million player.
• 49:56
  He's been a bit Panzer season, but we still know as a player in
• 49:58
  there. So now we can get 50 million or
• 50:03
  60 million. He's like 22.
• 50:05
  I think he is. So maybe that's why that one's
• 50:08
  kind of almost done. And then the big one, which is
• 50:11
  the 80 to 100 million is this other player, which is your
• 50:16
  Anderson, Tanali, Wharton are those ones.
• 50:20
  But then in my opinion, Tanali isn't worth what they're quoting
• 50:26
  8200, I don't know. I think he's another 50-60 guy
• 50:30
  in my opinion. And then?
• 50:36
  Same, same. I'm not excited about the
• 50:38
  Tsunali rumours and again, that might be might be off, you know,
• 50:43
  but I don't watch loads and loads of him.
• 50:46
  But I just don't get in him. And obviously I would give him
• 50:50
  all the support and I'd love to see him do well if he does join,
• 50:52
  but I just feel a bit strange about that.
• 50:55
  And but when we watched the trainer.
• 50:57
  Did you that game he played right?
• 51:00
  He did, yeah. We were watching lyrical about
• 51:05
  Joe Linton more than obviously Bruno was injured, but it wasn't
• 51:11
  like, Oh my God. Yeah, let's go get to now.
• 51:13
  If anyone from that game you'd get Joe Linton.
• 51:16
  No, I don't want him. But that's what you would say.
• 51:18
  So yeah, I'm not like I saw whether it was 85,000,000 rumor
• 51:24
  or 89,000,000 for Denali and I was like that's too much money.
• 51:28
  Like if we got on for 50-60 I'll be happy and then with someone
• 51:33
  else but I only want to be spending 80 million plus really
• 51:37
  is on Anderson. I don't think any of them rests
• 51:40
  them maybe Wharton, but I think Wharton is quite similar ish to
• 51:44
  Kobe in what he does. He's not like crazy.
• 51:48
  Anderson's kind of got it all. He's quite mobile and gets
• 51:50
  around a bit. He could put a tackle in and but
• 51:53
  I don't think Wharton has that side to him as much.
• 51:57
  So then you'd be worried that yeah, is he worth that big money
• 52:02
  as well? And I just worried generally,
• 52:05
  you know, it's all right, Castamero goes say.
• 52:07
  But say we had a dream summer and Belabor and Anderson came
• 52:11
  in. How does that work with Kobe?
• 52:13
  Well, I think the idea is that I guess you're remembering
• 52:16
  probably 20 and there's going to be, well, at least 50.
• 52:24
  Let's hope we get past the first round of the FA Cup and League
• 52:26
  Cup at least, say 55 games or something next season.
• 52:30
  So if Kobe only gets 2530 games or gets like 60 games but 25 of
• 52:38
  them are starts, then maybe he's OK with that.
• 52:43
  Well, he's never, never going to be OK with it.
• 52:45
  But then it's still pushing him on.
• 52:47
  He's developing because he is only 20.
• 52:50
  That's the only thing I guess you got to remember.
• 52:52
  So maybe that's why that could still work because we just have
• 52:57
  more games. If it was this season, then
• 53:00
  yeah, you'd be worried. Yeah, Fairpoint, Fairpoint.
• 53:05
  So yeah, I think and we've mentioned this before, but I
• 53:08
  think the names we are here in the names that we know, and I've
• 53:10
  mentioned it on a previous pod, I'm a little bit nervous about
• 53:12
  that, that we're just going to go for.
• 53:15
  You know, I like the Premier League proven piece, but I do
• 53:18
  sometimes wish we'd just pull at least one of these positions to
• 53:20
  be a gem that we've never heard of the then we just fall in love
• 53:24
  with. And everyone's thinking where
• 53:25
  have United pulled in from because we always just seem to
• 53:28
  wait for other clubs to do that and then have to pay over, Yeah.
• 53:30
  You buy them, Yeah, for double your money.
• 53:32
  For a player. Yeah, they must always say.
• 53:34
  No. For this, who do we think?
• 53:37
  Who do you want them? I'd say yeah, dream dream picks
• 53:42
  and for this kind of 6 stroke, 8 if it's two players.
• 53:46
  I think I would take Anderson and I probably would just take
• 53:48
  the labour just because I think he's got more potential than
• 53:54
  tonight's already 2526. And I think what I don't think
• 53:58
  you need Walton and Anderson as to, whereas I think Belabor and
• 54:03
  Anderson along with Kobe and Bruno can work really well as a
• 54:06
  four, depending on which game you want to who you're playing.
• 54:09
  Like say you're playing someone with who's going to the ball
• 54:16
  more one of the top top teams. You maybe have Belabor and
• 54:20
  Anderson and Bruno, and then maybe if you're play in one of
• 54:24
  the bottom clubs, you have Anderson, Kobe and Bruno because
• 54:27
  you're more about dictating play, less about being
• 54:29
  combative. That's what I think probably the
• 54:32
  better ones to go for. What do you think?
• 54:35
  Yeah, I like it. Yeah, I really, I get England
• 54:38
  Fernando as well. So what I've seen of Anderson, I
• 54:40
  really like him and I would really hope we don't miss out on
• 54:44
  another player to see. And if I'm not saying we're very
• 54:47
  prepared like Goldbridge says, but I do think compared to years
• 54:51
  gone by, we are a more attractive offer than we've ever
• 54:54
  been really to come and join us. Because you can see an upward
• 54:57
  trajectory. You can see things going in the
• 54:59
  right direction. So, you know, you can see
• 55:01
  players like Cunya come in and then when will come in and doing
• 55:05
  well and getting stuck in. So yeah, Anderson's one that I
• 55:10
  would really like to get through the door.
• 55:13
  But Labour, I think it's because he's kind of fallen off a little
• 55:16
  bit, but that happens to younger players, right?
• 55:19
  But yeah, for me it's it's Anderson.
• 55:21
  And then maybe a little gem from around Europe or somewhere I've
• 55:26
  not really thought of. 20 million, yeah.
• 55:30
  Yeah, exactly, Exactly that, Exactly that.
• 55:32
  But yeah, we've said this for ages and it's an area we really
• 55:36
  need to address. And you know, Casimiro has been
• 55:38
  great, to be fair, but we know we're not in the market for that
• 55:41
  profile of player anymore, so be interesting to see moving on.
• 55:46
  Then I had a few other options. So I think I had a #3 as
• 55:51
  priority. I had backup striker, then I had
• 55:54
  left wing, then I had left back and then I'd add right back.
• 55:59
  What do you think about that priority?
• 56:02
  I'm probably I'm in between. I maybe put in left back higher
• 56:10
  up than left wing. If you had left wing higher, I
• 56:15
  just I think right back you're kind of OK with for another
• 56:20
  season with Dallow and Mazrawi, but I think left back, I don't
• 56:27
  know. I just don't can't really rely
• 56:29
  on Shaw to play that many games. Obviously he's done amazing this
• 56:34
  year and played so many games, but then you're trying.
• 56:36
  He can't play 5060 games without important part.
• 56:38
  I don't think so. I've maybe put that a bit a bit
• 56:41
  higher and the reason I put it higher than the left winger is
• 56:47
  because I'm quite hopeful of some of the youth coming
• 56:51
  through. Like we've seen like fashion of
• 56:56
  Shay Lacy and I can't remember his name.
• 57:00
  He scored the other day in the FA Youth Cup.
• 57:05
  It's got a couple of cameras name anyway, another winger.
• 57:08
  So I'm just hoping that maybe with this, the frontline we have
• 57:12
  and maybe a bit of youth cream free, we can focus on kind of a
• 57:17
  left back instead. And I think maybe it was Carl
• 57:20
  Anker on then athletic. OK, Devil was I think he said
• 57:23
  that if you unlock a decent attacking left back, then you
• 57:26
  probably don't need a left wing because that person will be
• 57:30
  overlapping junior. There might be and offering that
• 57:34
  sucking kind of assist threat which you don't have at the
• 57:36
  moment because sure's too tired. So I'd probably put that one
• 57:40
  higher. What you do?
• 57:42
  What you doing with Balon doggy then?
• 57:46
  I forgot about that doggy. I definitely don't need left.
• 57:49
  Definitely don't need it. Definitely don't need left me
• 57:51
  feeling do I? Even more so, even more so.
• 57:55
  Yeah. So are you having him as a as a
• 57:57
  left left winger going forward do you think?
• 58:00
  Yeah, but also I think he's got the experience and athleticism
• 58:04
  to play a left back as well, so. But I'd still want a left back
• 58:09
  over a left of the fielder, especially now you've reminded
• 58:11
  me of the best player. In the world.
• 58:16
  All right, that's interesting. And I had striker kind of after
• 58:19
  midfield as well. Do you agree with me in terms of
• 58:21
  like a backup striker being a priority or?
• 58:24
  Yeah, but not like. That role.
• 58:26
  Not like a money to spend, like not I don't know who's out and
• 58:31
  about. I need to.
• 58:32
  We should have to look at the free transfer lists, but or
• 58:35
  people going to their final year of their contracts.
• 58:37
  Like I'm thinking like 28 to 34 year old who's just can bang in
• 58:46
  a few goals, maybe get like 8 to 10 goals across all competitions
• 58:50
  in the season. Be happy to kind of be playing
• 58:52
  for United, but not necessarily starting every week.
• 58:54
  But then if you need them to, someone gets injured the
• 58:58
  standards and drop off massively.
• 59:00
  So I don't know who that is. Like, obviously I know we both
• 59:06
  love him. Welbeck would have been kind of
• 59:10
  ideal for that. And it would have been ideal for
• 59:12
  that. The last three, Four Seasons
• 59:14
  with everyone's been talking about him and I mean, he's been
• 59:16
  linked before and I think I kind of canned the deal.
• 59:18
  Is it Jim Ratcliffe maybe canned it a couple of years ago.
• 59:22
  So he's too old and we shouldn't be saying that.
• 59:23
  It's like, well, actually he'd be ideal.
• 59:27
  So someone like that, I don't know who they are.
• 59:29
  I like obviously Lewandowski, for example, he's a free
• 59:33
  transfer this summer, but obviously we probably can't
• 59:39
  afford him for what his role coming in.
• 59:42
  And they say you do want that, but imagine like Cesco learning
• 59:44
  from Lewandowski and Lewandowski kind of popping up and he's
• 59:48
  still class, still scores lots of goals.
• 59:50
  So, but there's someone like that out there.
• 59:51
  Obviously Calvert Lewin is 1 which we looked at last year.
• 59:54
  He's done really well, nice fit on a free transfer.
• 59:57
  So must be some decent transfers out there.
• 1:00:00
  Free transfers or 510,000,000 months out there I think.
• 1:00:04
  But I think it needs to be a experienced striker, not I'm not
• 1:00:08
  a young striker. Allah Henry Larson maybe?
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Yeah, Danny Welbeck's always one way to think.
• 1:00:17
  I would just be such a obviously hindsight as well, because he's
• 1:00:20
  been absolutely on fire this season.
• 1:00:21
  But yeah, what a lovely fit that would have been to have Danny
• 1:00:24
  Welbeck back. And I feel it was a crime to let
• 1:00:27
  him go anyway. But you're only in your head.
• 1:00:30
  Reinforcement we know anyone in your mind.
• 1:00:36
  You know, I think what I keep thinking about is more so this
• 1:00:39
  and Wemo the dilemma because obviously it's not fully working
• 1:00:43
  at the minute to kind of have him out on the right.
• 1:00:46
  And I hope I can change. But is there a bit more of like
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  a mix up in certain games between them two through that
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  central central play lot? We, you know, we tried to sign
• 1:00:56
  Semenyo and he would have come in probably on the right based
• 1:01:00
  on what he's done at the City. So I don't know.
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  I just don't know whether not that I expect to become a backup
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  striker, but I don't know. Could he have a bit more of a
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  role centrally then down? But to prepare, it's not even
• 1:01:14
  really. It's not working that much for
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  not there either, is it? Because.
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  Stuff as well. So, yeah, as I say, we said on
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  the last party, so a bit of a question mark over and when he's
• 1:01:24
  in his role there. But yeah, Danny Welbeck is the
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  the perfect profile for me in terms of just someone proven,
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  someone that can come on, someone that can score.
• 1:01:33
  I'd you know, I'd really, really like it.
• 1:01:35
  I guess Tiago as well at Brentford's been scoring goals
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  and he's got that profile of like a big forward who is now
• 1:01:43
  pretty surely wouldn't. Yeah.
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  Do you think? Yeah, Brentford, I suppose
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  Brazilian, Brazilian as well, but could be a nice link up as
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  well with the likes of Kunya and stuff as well.
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  But yeah, it's it's an area where I would like to strengthen
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  as you say, not going crazy on the on the price front, but if
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  we could be be clever with a Better Business, they say maybe
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  free transfer would like to see to see something there.
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  And yeah, obviously we've just confused ourselves now with a
• 1:02:14
  little bit with with Balan Doggy, but we're saying left
• 1:02:18
  back now. And I think what's been
• 1:02:20
  mentioned is Lewis Hall and then the room is recently around
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  Miles Lewis Skelly. What do you think about those?
• 1:02:27
  Lewis Hall, I think he's really good.
• 1:02:30
  I think he'll probably start for England.
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  And yeah, I think he looks like a easy pay pops it with quite a
• 1:02:38
  few assists. And so he probably my #1 Chase
• 1:02:41
  Miles Lewis, he kind of burst onto the scene last year then.
• 1:02:46
  Is he out on loan? You got online?
• 1:02:49
  You did. He's definitely not starting the
• 1:02:53
  Arsenal. So he's obviously highly rated,
• 1:03:01
  but not seen enough of him this season to know if he's worthy of
• 1:03:05
  that high rating he had the season before.
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  But I kind of, yeah. I basically take take either of
• 1:03:11
  those two. My preference would be Hall, but
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  then yeah, Lewis Skelly. From what I saw previous years,
• 1:03:18
  I'd be surprised if they sold him, but yeah, I take him.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, I feel asked. I kind of maybe not playing him
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  as much because he's maybe a little bit lightweight as well
• 1:03:28
  as compared to kind of California and.
• 1:03:30
  Also they basically play centre back set but for their back
• 1:03:34
  forward in it's a bit weird so doesn't really fit into our
• 1:03:36
  systems. A traditional left back, yes.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, I wouldn't have been that excited about him just based on
• 1:03:43
  that. And again, this is probably
• 1:03:45
  another position where I would love to to see us go into our
• 1:03:49
  scouting network and well. Yeah, it's a Patrice Edward.
• 1:03:52
  Yeah, Patrice Edward. Or get behind her by like
• 1:03:57
  someone out there who's well, maybe like Doggy is obviously
• 1:04:01
  someone like Doggy, maybe he can kind of come in and do a similar
• 1:04:05
  sort of transfer cost and exceed expectations basically.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, exactly. But but also like you, I do
• 1:04:14
  really like the look of Lewis Hall.
• 1:04:15
  I've enjoyed watching him. It just seems that he's got got
• 1:04:18
  it all really and he's good on the ball, seems like a decent
• 1:04:22
  defender that gets stuck in as well.
• 1:04:23
  He's got a bit of physicality about him as well compared to
• 1:04:27
  the likes of Lewis Kelly and I think it would be a good one.
• 1:04:30
  But Newcastle fans aren't going to like us looking at all
• 1:04:37
  raiding them. I saw a bit of fun on Twitter, I
• 1:04:42
  think with some Newcastle fans who are kicking off.
• 1:04:45
  How really that we're staying on our bed.
• 1:04:48
  Enjoyable read them just obviously claiming to be this
• 1:04:51
  massive club that players shouldn't leave, but looks like
• 1:04:55
  there's some interest to leave. So someone's there.
• 1:04:58
  You know, all right, any, any other just generally when you're
• 1:05:02
  looking at our potential Inns and areas and potential players
• 1:05:06
  that you've seen as linked with that you'd that you'd want to
• 1:05:08
  mention. Yeah, well I do have like 1
• 1:05:11
  connection to United and they gave me a little insight.
• 1:05:16
  Have you heard this guy Wesley Snyder?
• 1:05:18
  Go on. Wesley Snyder was it to Rebo W
• 1:05:25
  as well. Yeah, the chat mandate finally,
• 1:05:30
  yeah. No, not.
• 1:05:31
  Really. The one that got away.
• 1:05:34
  The one of many that got away with her.
• 1:05:37
  Yeah. No, not really anyone out there
• 1:05:39
  that is realistic. And like you said, I don't, I'd
• 1:05:44
  rather not be looking at PSG's best players.
• 1:05:48
  And obviously Jim Ratcliffe said a lot of nonsense since he's
• 1:05:51
  been here, but him saying he wants to buy the next from
• 1:05:53
  Bappe, not on Bappe, is what we should be doing.
• 1:05:58
  Yeah, there's not that much evidence of that yet based on
• 1:06:02
  the kind of strategy and the players we're after again this
• 1:06:04
  summer and kind of permanently proven.
• 1:06:06
  But maybe he's obviously Bar and Doggies, probably one of the
• 1:06:10
  best person in the world says whether or not you find more
• 1:06:14
  people like that while you're securing.
• 1:06:17
  So basically you need to do some risky ones which don't break the
• 1:06:20
  bank because I've seen some rumours of a kind who is from.
• 1:06:25
  Yeah. Dear Monday from Leipzig, they
• 1:06:28
  won like 100 million from him. He said like half a good season.
• 1:06:30
  His stats are even that good. It's like, I don't want us to go
• 1:06:33
  anywhere near that kind of signing.
• 1:06:34
  We need to sign Dear Monday, the season before or two seasons
• 1:06:37
  before 30 million. And then it's not a risk.
• 1:06:41
  We've been blown by these risky Anthony signings and these are
• 1:06:44
  in the past. So yeah, stay clear of that.
• 1:06:47
  Yeah, let's let let's let Liverpool waste a bit more
• 1:06:50
  money. Exactly.
• 1:06:52
  And hopefully have another shocking season.
• 1:06:55
  Fingers crossed, yeah. And yeah, we haven't, we haven't
• 1:06:58
  mentioned centre back, but I felt we're pretty covered there.
• 1:07:00
  And obviously if we're going to be giving McGuire a bit of an
• 1:07:03
  extension as well, and if the Lick can ever recover from his
• 1:07:06
  back injury, then hopefully we should be in decent, decent
• 1:07:10
  stock there, right? Yeah, I think so.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah. But like Heaven and Europe as
• 1:07:13
  well, kind of getting older and more experienced and growing in
• 1:07:17
  stature, I think. Yeah, we're pretty, pretty set
• 1:07:19
  there. Definitely, definitely.
• 1:07:22
  But yeah, let's leave it there, Chaz.
• 1:07:23
  That was quite fun to delve into something a little bit different
• 1:07:25
  and to explore what the summer could look like, You know, of
• 1:07:29
  course, as well as the World Cup.
• 1:07:30
  We'll we'll have a proper look and we'll stay close to how
• 1:07:34
  things progress for United during the summer and yeah,
• 1:07:38
  insurance and outs and all that stuff.
• 1:07:39
  But yeah, what do you guys think?
• 1:07:41
  We've gone through a few things there manager it would be a
• 1:07:44
  choice and then insurance and outs who you're prioritizing and
• 1:07:48
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• 1:07:51
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