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Wander the World: Exploring Zimbabwe on safari · Wander the World with Pippa Hudson

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Speaker 1: Time to do a bit of armchair travel in wonder
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Speaker 1: the world. And today we are heading north to Zimbabwe,
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Speaker 1: a country that I know some of our listeners have
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Speaker 1: explored in great detail, but many tend to sort of
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Speaker 1: overlook when thinking about planning a safari in African I've
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Speaker 1: got to confess I'm guilty of this as well. You
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Speaker 1: think about going on safari, you think Okavango Delta, the Botswanas,
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Speaker 1: that Kenya's in Tanzania. You look much further afield and
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Speaker 1: you don't stop to think that right over our northern
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Speaker 1: border is a wonderful opportunity to go and experience some
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Speaker 1: of the most wildlife rich areas you can imagine, including
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Speaker 1: the Huangan National Park and then of course the splendor
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Speaker 1: of the Victoria Falls, something many.
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Speaker 2: Of you have loved.
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Speaker 1: And to help us explore a little bit more, why
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Speaker 1: we should rethink that and consider Zimbabwe on our holiday agenda.
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Speaker 1: It's a great pleasure to have somebody in studio who
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Speaker 1: spends a lot of time there himself, who knows African
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Speaker 1: travel extremely well. And it's actually just returned from Zimbabwe
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Speaker 1: within the last couple of days or think a week.
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Speaker 1: Garth Jenman is the founder of Genman African Safaris, which
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Speaker 1: is a family run to operator and it's wonderful to
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Speaker 1: have you with us in studio.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thanks very much.
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Speaker 1: Thanks well, just back from Zim. How long ago, but.
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Speaker 2: I came back this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's hot off the press, fresh information before
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Speaker 1: we got a Zim though. Just tell us a little
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Speaker 1: bit about your own journey into African travel and where
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Speaker 1: your passion began.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sure, I won't take up too much time because I
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Speaker 3: can carry on and on at times, but I did.
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Speaker 3: I found a Genman Safaris in Zimbabwe in the early nineties.
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Speaker 3: I spent most of my time with the nineties in
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Speaker 3: Zim based in Rari, and I was doing walking safaris
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Speaker 3: and minor pools on the Zambizi River and then traveling
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Speaker 3: also through Zimbabwe into Botswana through those years and then
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Speaker 3: late nineties moved down to South Africa and Zim's always
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Speaker 3: been close to my heart. We now have some of
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Speaker 3: our own camps up in Zimbabwe and we're full to
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Speaker 3: operator around Zim. Besides elsewhere in Africa, we also operate
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Speaker 3: throughout Southern Africa. Madagascar is a big destination for US
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Speaker 3: and East Africa.
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Speaker 2: As well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so although we're focusing on Zim, do keep in
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Speaker 1: mind that genmine can also take you to other parts
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Speaker 1: of the continent. You've meant and some of my favorites there.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you started all those years ago
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, I would imagine, well, has the safari
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Speaker 1: experience changed a lot? What's changed? What changes have you
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Speaker 1: seen in the industry in terms of what people are
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Speaker 1: looking for in the way they travel and what they
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Speaker 1: want from a safari.
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Speaker 3: It's I suppose it's using the word upgraded. People expect
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Speaker 3: a lot more nowadays. You know that they obviously the
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Speaker 3: number one is you coming for your wildlife experience, but
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Speaker 3: they want to stay in comfortable camps, have fantastic food,
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Speaker 3: exceptional service levels, and that I mean funny enough, if
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Speaker 3: I was up with my business partner Mark McAdam and
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Speaker 3: flying back, we actually spoke about Zimbabwe and what's the
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Speaker 3: next biggest destination and that's going to come through in
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Speaker 3: the next couple of years, and we both feel it
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Speaker 3: is Zimbabwe. The investment that's gone into Zim in the
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Speaker 3: national parks, on the private sector, different lodge groups that
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Speaker 3: have got in there.
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Speaker 2: But then you've also got big ngngos.
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Speaker 3: You know, you've got the likes of Matusa, Dina and
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Speaker 3: Africa Parks has come in there to look after that.
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Speaker 3: And just the mere fact that there's so many private
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Speaker 3: camps now in the different national parks, we actually protecting
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Speaker 3: them wildlife. We're having private concessions, we're looking after that wildlife.
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Speaker 3: So we're seeing it bounce back. The nineties were definitely
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Speaker 3: the heyday of Zimbabwe. In the eighties and the nineties
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Speaker 3: in Zimbabwe safari experience. People find it hard to believe,
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Speaker 3: but it was the number one safari destination in Africa
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Speaker 3: and we had all these international flights directly coming into Harari.
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Speaker 3: Before Joeberg came through, Harari used to be the hub
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Speaker 3: for international flights so and then and Zim was the
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Speaker 3: place to come to which was actually quite overrun with tourists.
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Speaker 3: I remember finally starting out in my career in the industry.
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Speaker 3: Looking back now, I suppose I was very lucky to
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Speaker 3: be in the.
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Speaker 2: Hub of.
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Speaker 3: The tourism industry and it was in Zim. And of
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Speaker 3: course we all know the hard time Zimbabwe's gone through,
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Speaker 3: but it's coming back now and the diversity that Zimbabwe
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Speaker 3: has to offer I don't believe any other destination, any
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Speaker 3: other country has has that to offer, that has and.
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Speaker 1: That's coming from somebody who regularly works in Botswana in
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Speaker 1: East Africa. I mean, I've been to Madagascar. Diversity is massive,
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Speaker 1: but you still say some is number one on your list?
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Speaker 2: It is?
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Speaker 3: It is, it's it's yeah, it's the people, the service
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Speaker 3: levels naturally, the service that you get from from the
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Speaker 3: people of Zim, but also the diversity. If you know,
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Speaker 3: if you go from Zimbabwe, you've got the Eastern Highlands
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Speaker 3: which is cool with forests, forests and that. Then you're
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Speaker 3: moving onto the lower Zambezi, the likes of minor pools
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Speaker 3: and the floodplains of of of Mana. Then you're moving
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Speaker 3: onto Lake Kariba. There's there's some fantastic options on different levels.
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Speaker 3: On house boating on Kariba. That always used to be
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Speaker 3: you know, that's one of the reasons why a lot
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Speaker 3: of US South Africans went to Zimbabwe in the nineties
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Speaker 3: was the house boat experience Matusa Dona. How I've seen
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Speaker 3: that changed with Africa Parks coming in, opening up the roads,
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Speaker 3: running anti poaching, restocking the park with wildlife, and then
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Speaker 3: you're moving onto the other side of Lake Kariba a
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Speaker 3: little known national park called chiz Area. I rate that
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Speaker 3: is like one of the top places. Not a lot
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Speaker 3: of tourists. You go there, you're going to have it
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Speaker 3: to yourself, but it's spectacular. You're driving through the mountains
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Speaker 3: to get into Cheers National Park, lovely for walking, it
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Speaker 3: really is. Then you're moving on to Victoria Falls. Now
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Speaker 3: vic Falls is absolutely pumping now, it really is. It
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Speaker 3: gets a majority of zimbabwe tourism by far, so much
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Speaker 3: so that I almost feel people don't have forgotten that
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Speaker 3: vic Falls is part of Zimbabwe, so they will come
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Speaker 3: to Victoria Falls and then they want to go on
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Speaker 3: safari to Kruger, for instance, which is another flight or
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Speaker 3: two to get to Kruger. Whereas just south of Victoria
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Speaker 3: Falls you've got Wangi National Park, which is a true
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Speaker 3: wilderness area. I've driven there all day before and you
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Speaker 3: you not bump into another vehicle, that's how expanse of
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Speaker 3: it is. And of course it's right on the border
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Speaker 3: with Botswana. There's no fences, so you've got this natural
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Speaker 3: migration of wildlife going between Zimbabwe Botswana through the Capreviou
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Speaker 3: Strip into Angola and then back following, the following, the reins,
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Speaker 3: following the following, the food. So and then you move
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Speaker 3: down to just outside of Bulaway you've got Matopa's and
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Speaker 3: of course that's you've got settled on roses gray. You've
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Speaker 3: got fantastic white rhino there and black but the white
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Speaker 3: rhino you literally could go for a walk. I've been
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Speaker 3: for a walk there and in the morning and you're
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Speaker 3: seeing six seven eight white rhina before breakfast, you know.
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Speaker 3: And then you can move on to the lacks of
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Speaker 3: mass Vingo, where you've got the Zimbabwe ruins as well,
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Speaker 3: and all the history behind that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, while I'm sitting here taking copious notes because
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Speaker 1: already my brain's going ping, I think I need to
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Speaker 1: start rethinking my next year's travel plans. If others are
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Speaker 1: doing the same, or if others are going yep, been there,
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Speaker 1: done that, He's right, or this was my experience at
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Speaker 1: one of these destinations. We love to hear from you.
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Speaker 1: Please do pop through a WhatsApp to seven two five
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Speaker 1: six seven one five six seven tell us which parts
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Speaker 1: of Zimbabwe you visited, What was the highlight of the experience,
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Speaker 1: what you remember most fondly about being there In terms
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Speaker 1: of getting there. For South Africans, Garth, I mean from
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Speaker 1: Cape Town, are there direct flights or do you go
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Speaker 1: via Joeburg? Do most people self drive for that.
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Speaker 3: Matter, So a lot of South African self drive, and
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Speaker 3: I mean that is something you need to be careful
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Speaker 3: of and you need to plan your trips because some
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Speaker 3: roads in Zimbabwe are okay and some roads in Zimba
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Speaker 3: we are not okay. So you rarely need to talk
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Speaker 3: to someone who knows who knows the ins and outs
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Speaker 3: and which roads to go. It is totally doable. Flight
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Speaker 3: connectivity is the best it's ever been so pre COVID.
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Speaker 3: I tend to live in a world of pre and
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Speaker 3: post COVID. Pre COVID often used to have to fly.
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Speaker 3: If I went up to vic Falls to get to
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Speaker 3: one of our camps in Wangi Nashville Park, you had
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Speaker 3: to fly via Joeburg or via vint took.
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Speaker 2: It would take you most of the day.
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Speaker 3: Now we've got direct flights, so you've got Airlink Kenyan airways.
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Speaker 3: You can fly directly into Vick Falls or even living Stone.
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Speaker 3: It's actually very easy to fly into Livingstone and then
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Speaker 3: you can come across into Zimbabwe. So there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of direct flights in and out Hurrari.
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Speaker 2: There's daily flights.
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Speaker 3: If you're living up in Johannesburg, there's multiple flights in
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Speaker 3: and out of Harari. And then in turnally you've got
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Speaker 3: the likes of FoST Jet where you can get the
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Speaker 3: flights around the country, and then the likes of if
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Speaker 3: you want to get to the camps, for instance, mac
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Speaker 3: Air and Grand Air, the likes of that they charter companies,
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Speaker 3: but you can get seat rates to get into the
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Speaker 3: remote places if you have the budget. I do suggest
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Speaker 3: doing some flying, some flights around some barbwee. It is
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Speaker 3: a massive country, but you can drive. The year before
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Speaker 3: last I went with my family and two other families.
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Speaker 3: We flew into Arari. We hired four bar four land
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Speaker 3: cruisers wor pop up rus and we did the back
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Speaker 3: roads all the way around my Actually my mission, which
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Speaker 3: I think some of my friends were rolling their eye that,
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Speaker 3: but my mission was to do the back roads and
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Speaker 3: keep off all the national roads of so we drove
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Speaker 3: into minor pools. We went to Chataki Springs, which is
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Speaker 3: unbelievable and wild that that's at the escarpment at the
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Speaker 3: back of minor pools. We then drove onto Kariba and
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Speaker 3: most of the group actually got on houseboats that day,
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Speaker 3: and then then a couple of us guys we took
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Speaker 3: the boats across on a on a ferry through to
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Speaker 3: Matusadana and we drove from one side of the park
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Speaker 3: to the other. That oftenoon we hooked up with the
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Speaker 3: houseboat that had come across. After three nights on the houseboat,
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Speaker 3: we we also then stayed at chise Arera and then
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Speaker 3: we drove around the back roads, so you've got to
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Speaker 3: be quite adventurous around the back roads through to Chiserera.
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Speaker 3: We spent a couple of days there walking was magic,
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Speaker 3: and then onto onto Wangy National Park. We also camped
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Speaker 3: there as well in Wangy National Park, and then we
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Speaker 3: ended off at Nanchwich, one of our lodgers in the
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Speaker 3: north of Wangy and then then then we did Vic
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Speaker 3: Falls and flew home. So that was a three week trip.
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Speaker 3: It was magical.
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Speaker 2: What a gift, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really was.
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Speaker 1: Just for anybody who's come in midway to this conversation.
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Speaker 1: My guest in studio, Garth Jenmen, the founder of Genman
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Speaker 1: African Safaris, which is a family run to operator operates
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Speaker 1: all over Africa. But we're talking specifically about the wonderful
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Speaker 1: diversity little weights visitors to Zimbabwe, perhaps one of the undiscovered,
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Speaker 1: under discovered experiencing a bit of a rebirth after we
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Speaker 1: all know the problems that's had the last couple of decades,
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Speaker 1: but really on the rise again. And I'd love to
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Speaker 1: hear from those of you who've been already about what
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Speaker 1: you experienced. Now Keith asks, are the ruins still in
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Speaker 1: good condition?
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Speaker 2: Yes they are.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to hear, thanks Keith. In terms of
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Speaker 1: diversity of budget experiences here, I mean, obviously there are
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Speaker 1: private lodgers. If you've got the budget, as you say,
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Speaker 1: to fly everywhere, that's fantastic, But not everybody travels on
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Speaker 1: that kind of budget Garth. If somebody wants to have
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Speaker 1: a relatively affordable holiday for the family, any tips to
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Speaker 1: share on how to do some on a.
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Speaker 3: Constraint, budge, then it's definitely self driving. Look, I've got
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Speaker 3: to be Frank.
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Speaker 2: Is not cheap.
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Speaker 3: It is a dollarized economy, it is. I mean, most
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Speaker 3: things are imported from South Africa, so you've got to
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Speaker 3: expect to pay more than what you would pay in
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Speaker 3: South Africa. But you will be blown away by the experience.
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Speaker 3: One a little tip I can tell everyone is if
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Speaker 3: you look online and if you look at if you look,
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Speaker 3: for instance, our brand up there, our sister company de
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Speaker 3: Genmin's called Hideaways, that's what has and we've got two lodges.
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Speaker 2: In Wangy and then one in Mino Pools. You're going
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Speaker 2: to see.
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Speaker 3: Dollar rates or EU rates and you'll probably fall over backwards.
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Speaker 2: But we do have sadic rates.
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Speaker 3: So if you contact us, and there's other companies as well,
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Speaker 3: if you contact them invariably they do have Sadik rates
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Speaker 3: that they won't publish, but you can get into into
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Speaker 3: the camps at a much more reasonable price. But of course,
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Speaker 3: if you're self driving, if you've got your own vehicle
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Speaker 3: that and you can take a lot of things in
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Speaker 3: with you, then that is going to be you just
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Speaker 3: need more time. But that's going to be the most economical.
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Speaker 1: Way of object Okay, Now, vic Falls, I know your
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Speaker 1: experience of the falls themselves will differ from time, one
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Speaker 1: time of year to another. God one of our listeners
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Speaker 1: asking what's the best time of year to see the
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Speaker 1: falls with the most possible water going over.
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Speaker 3: So that the rain the rainy fall the water comes
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Speaker 3: through after the rains, so this time of year now
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Speaker 3: it is very good. And then as we head back
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Speaker 3: towards the rainy season. So our rains start in November
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Speaker 3: December and then carry on through January, February March.
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Speaker 2: But then the falls.
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Speaker 3: Obviously the water is coming through the catchment area up
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Speaker 3: in Angola and Zambia, so the water comes to the
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Speaker 3: system later on. So the best time of year to
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Speaker 3: go to Zimbabwe is look, our peak season sort of
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Speaker 3: starts June July all the way through to September. October
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Speaker 3: October can get quite hot and then when the rains
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Speaker 3: come it actually cools it down. I quite like the
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Speaker 3: likes of November and December. It's not like it's raining
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Speaker 3: all day. You know, you'll have half an hour rain
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Speaker 3: and cools things down. But so your hottest time with
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Speaker 3: your traditionally is October. We are like everywhere, the climate
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Speaker 3: seems to be changing and I've just come back now
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Speaker 3: from Zim. It was incredibly cold. It shouldn't be cold,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's normally June July you have about six
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Speaker 3: weeks where it does get cold in the evenings. It's
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Speaker 3: still warm during the day. But now with this cold
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Speaker 3: front that hit South Africa, happened to be up there
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Speaker 3: and it was freezing, it really was, but now it
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Speaker 3: started to warm up up already, so it is unpredictable.
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Speaker 3: We've just had the best rains ever that actually even
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Speaker 3: rain through to June, which is phenomenal for the parks
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Speaker 3: we needed it, but the wildlife experience we sort of
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Speaker 3: lagging two months behind. So this year, the likes of
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Speaker 3: September October I think are going.
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Speaker 2: To be phenomenal.
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Speaker 3: And then with this al Nino coming through, the predictions
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Speaker 3: are that we're going to have a couple of dry years,
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Speaker 3: which means next year is going to be phenomenal. It's
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Speaker 3: actually going to extend our sea, so that the likes
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Speaker 3: of April, May, June and then going through to November
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Speaker 3: December will be very very good for wildlife and then
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Speaker 3: of course your peak time you know, June, July through
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Speaker 3: to September will always be very good.
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Speaker 1: We've got a voice note in from our listener Sharon,
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Speaker 1: who has had an experience of visiting Zim more than
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Speaker 1: once that we're going to share with you, and just
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Speaker 1: reminder if you want to pick out a particular experience
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Speaker 1: you've had you could do watch Sharon as sent and
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Speaker 1: send us a voice note on seven to five six
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Speaker 1: seven one five six seven. Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 4: Hello talking about Zimbabwe and Victoria Falls and everything else.
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Speaker 4: I'm originally from Zimbabwe and I go up quite regularly.
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Speaker 4: And the one year we took a trip from Harari
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Speaker 4: to Victoria Falls with my daughters and there were some
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Speaker 4: American tourists on the same flight and we were on
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Speaker 4: a little taxi going into the city center after arriving,
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Speaker 4: and we said, so, what do you think of Zimbabwe
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Speaker 4: so far? They've been telling us how many countries they
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Speaker 4: had visited, and they said, no, they haven't been to
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Speaker 4: Zimbalbie yet. We're just going to Victoria four. So they
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Speaker 4: didn't even know that they were in Zimbabwie, which was
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Speaker 4: quite enlightening. The other thing I've just come back from
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Speaker 4: is a trip down the Zambizi. I did that from
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Speaker 4: the Zambian side and we spent three days sleeping under
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Speaker 4: the stars and traveling down the Zambizi and that was magical.
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Speaker 1: Lucky lucky you Sharon. That well, thanks for the humor
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Speaker 1: on the American tourist, But I mean, what a wonderful
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Speaker 1: experience of the Zambizi. Jeff calling in in the background,
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Speaker 1: asking do you need a four x four even a
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Speaker 1: two by four if you are going to self drive
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Speaker 1: or will a normal car crack it?
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Speaker 3: I would take a car with clearance and pray for
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Speaker 3: a four buffour. It's not like you need four bar four,
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Speaker 3: but you need the clearance because of the condition of
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Speaker 3: some of the roads.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So do bear that in mind or you're
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Speaker 1: perhaps considered then an option to Is it relatively easy
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Speaker 1: for a south but to hire a car? So if
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Speaker 1: you wanted to say, flyer into Harari and then self
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Speaker 1: drive from there, can.
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Speaker 2: That be It's very easy to be able to do that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with fully kitted out vehicles, it's quite quite easy.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Anything else you'd like to mention that we haven't
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Speaker 1: spoken about. I haven't asked you about that that is
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Speaker 1: worth whether it's a little known destination or just a
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Speaker 1: tip for anybody who's planning a holidayism.
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Speaker 3: I would plan well in advance, especially in season. Of course,
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Speaker 3: exactly that with the Americans talking about they're thinking vic
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Speaker 3: Falls is not part of Zimbabwe. I think a lot
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Speaker 3: of people suffer from that. And don't ignore the rest
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Speaker 3: of Zimbabwe. I think it's an incredible if you're adventurous.
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Speaker 3: I mean something I actually did with some friends in
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Speaker 3: October last year. We pioneered a walk between a trail
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Speaker 3: between Nanswitch, which is on the west side of Northern
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Speaker 3: Wanngi and Bamboozi, both of our camps, and it's along
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Speaker 3: the Deca River, and we walked every day between six
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Speaker 3: am and midday. One of the best things I've ever done.
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Speaker 3: And when I say you don't see proof of humans
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Speaker 3: on this trail, you don't. We didn't see another human
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Speaker 3: footprint and you certainly don't even see a coke bottle
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Speaker 3: or a can along the river or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: But I mean we walked onto cats every day, so lions,
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Speaker 3: We even were lucky to have a nice male line
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Speaker 3: male leopard one day and then all the other wildlife.
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Speaker 3: It's on foot, on foot, it's it's it really is
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Speaker 3: a phenomenal experience. We've now actually launched that as a product.
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Speaker 3: And you know, just being able to go for a
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Speaker 3: week and you go with your family or you know,
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Speaker 3: or a bunch of friends and being able to do
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Speaker 3: a trail from one area to the next and you
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Speaker 3: just immersed obviously with pro guides who armed and ordered that.
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Speaker 3: But that's the kind of experience and it's not just
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Speaker 3: in Wangy. You can do that in with two Sedona.
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Speaker 3: You can you know, you can do that in minor
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Speaker 3: pools as well. To get that true wilderness experience where
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Speaker 3: there's just there's no fences and you're in the wild.
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Speaker 3: You can detox from Wi Fi and the whole world
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Speaker 3: out outside.
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Speaker 2: Of outside of you.
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Speaker 1: Sounds amazing. Diane in Pineland's riding in to say, my
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Speaker 1: husband and I spent three months long ago in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy traveling through them, the best trip ever. It is
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Speaker 1: the most beautiful and diverse country. From vic Falls, Tuange,
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Speaker 1: mootpos Cariiba in Chunga Mountains Vumba, the great Zimbabwe Ruins
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Speaker 1: far surpass Stonehenge. In Diane's opinion, she says, we loved
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Speaker 1: every part of it. I was fortunate enough to go
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Speaker 1: back to the falls around two thousand and six and
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Speaker 1: it hasn't lost its magic. It's a country that must
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Speaker 1: be visited, Diane, lucky you and thanks for that reminder.
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Speaker 1: Final question, then, GoF if it must be visited, how
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Speaker 1: can we get there with Genmin African Safaris. If somebody
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Speaker 1: wants to take a look at your camps, we'll find
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Speaker 1: out about those products you're talking about. Website, social media watk.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sorry sir.
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Speaker 3: On Genman Safaris are holding company. You can easily find us.
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Speaker 3: You can just google us.
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Speaker 2: There's very good reviews up there on us. And then
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Speaker 2: Hideaway is Africa once again as well.
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Speaker 3: If you google that, that's our lodgers and camps in
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Speaker 3: Zimbabwe as well as in Botswana. Our officers are here
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Speaker 3: in Claremont. We've very well trained and experienced, so yeah,
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Speaker 3: you can. You can contact us and we can assist
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Speaker 3: with any kind whether we do a lot of self drives,
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Speaker 3: so any so, any standard that you're looking for and
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Speaker 3: we and we very afa with everything.
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Speaker 2: Zimbobede. Our officers basically should be in Zimbabwe. That's how
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Speaker 2: much that just.
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Speaker 1: Here in cam Listen, I think you better get some
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Speaker 1: extra staff on the phones after the job you've done
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Speaker 1: selling the destination CAF. Real pleasure to have you with
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Speaker 1: us today. Thanks for a wonderful conversation and you've made
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Speaker 1: me what a visit. I'm sure many others feeling the
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Speaker 1: same way.
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Speaker 2: So great to have you with us today, Thanks very
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Speaker 2: much for your time
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Speaker 1: Pleasure golf gentlemen, The founder of Genmin African Safaris