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  Speaker 1: It's the reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, Iran's most dangerous weapon in this war and why
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  Speaker 2: it's also a threat we can't ignore.
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  Speaker 1: Plus the Albaneza.
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  Speaker 2: Government refuses to save it's checking its grants to mosques
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  Speaker 2: that mourn Iran's tyrannical leader. I'll show you video that
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  Speaker 2: he'll explain just why labor doesn't want to come clean
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  Speaker 2: and the cultural cultural burns road. I mean, Victoria pays
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  Speaker 2: traditional owners twenty eight thousand dollars to do what volunteer
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  Speaker 2: firefighters will do for just three hundred dollars. Plenty more
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  Speaker 2: coming up, including Barnaby Joyce. But first Foreign mister Penny
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  Speaker 2: Wong is doing exactly what Iran's terrorist regime wants exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how Wog could be the stupid. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Iran's very being smashed. It's now so desperate and it
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  Speaker 2: reckless that it has been firing missiles and drones into
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  Speaker 2: every neighboring country, most of the Muslim to make them
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  Speaker 2: beg the US and.
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  Speaker 1: Israel to stop this war.
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  Speaker 2: As fired MISSUS at Kiwait and Qatar, Saudi Arabia and
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  Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates at Bahrain and Oman, Iraq and
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  Speaker 2: Jordan and Cyprus. One drone hidden airfield there.
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  Speaker 1: It's now even fired and missile.
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  Speaker 2: At Turkey, although America's shot that one down. Now, a
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  Speaker 2: person who's not mad with hatred of Donald Trump and Israel,
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  Speaker 2: a rational person would say, no sane country would do
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  Speaker 2: such a thing. I mean, does Ukraine missiles all around
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  Speaker 2: Europe to get them on its side? You'd have to
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  Speaker 2: conclude that Iran's fascist regime is so brutal and so
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  Speaker 2: evil to do this, that it can never be trusted
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  Speaker 2: with missiles, let alone a nuclear weapon or any military power.
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  Speaker 2: And you'd conclude this regime must have that power utterly destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: Its missile launch is wiped out, its army broken, its
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  Speaker 2: air force destroyed, and its navy sunk. And indeed a
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  Speaker 2: US submarine has now sunk an Iranian frigate off Sri
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  Speaker 2: Lanka as it was sailing back to Iran. This regime
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  Speaker 2: is so fairal it must be destroyed instead.
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  Speaker 1: This is what Penny Wong said today.
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  Speaker 3: But I am concerned that the conflict is spreading so much.
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  Speaker 3: At some point there has to be a return to
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  Speaker 3: diplomacy and dialog.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to de escalate.
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  Speaker 2: That's a favorite mantra and go back to diplomacy, she says, negotiation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who's going to de escalate and go back
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  Speaker 2: to diplomacy in the US and let Iran then keep
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  Speaker 2: whatever weapons and power it has left? And with whom
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  Speaker 2: should the US negotiate with this crazy regime that is
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  Speaker 2: negotiated for decades without disarming, just stringing the West along.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is Wong rewarding Iran and its tactics.
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  Speaker 2: This is Wong saying exactly what around Hope when it
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  Speaker 2: was shooting all those missiles that everyone could reach, not
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  Speaker 2: just at Israel and the US their bases in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, but at hotels and at the world's biggest
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  Speaker 2: airport in Dubai.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever, it didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: I saw today, By the way, Canadian journalists, a company
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  Speaker 2: in Canadian premise of Mark Candy to Canberra, just as
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  Speaker 2: clueless as woe.
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  Speaker 3: Why in your first statement did you not call for
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  Speaker 3: any kind of de escalation at hindsights? Should you have
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  Speaker 3: called for de escalation?
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  Speaker 2: By the way, this war started just last Saturday against
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  Speaker 2: the major military force in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Yet already I'm here, you know, Are we there yet?
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  Speaker 1: Are we there yet?
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  Speaker 2: Some journalist saying it's dragging on, complaining that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: has it said exactly how long it will last, has
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  Speaker 2: it said exactly what will.
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  Speaker 1: Follow if the regime falls. I heard one TV state
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  Speaker 1: and say to know his Newsbut and.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, the dead of the US and Israel's increasing
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  Speaker 2: actually know who that death toll hasn't risen but even
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  Speaker 2: one person in the past twenty four hours or more.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's that.
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  Speaker 2: Idiotic ABC correspondent, of course, Sir John Lyons, who dismissed
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  Speaker 2: this political propaganda. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi's statement explaining just.
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  Speaker 1: Why he backed America's attack.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, in this desert of insanity, it was so refreshing
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  Speaker 2: to hear at least one man of the left right
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  Speaker 2: wing Labour Senator Rafcaccioni let lions have it in Parliament
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  Speaker 2: last night.
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  Speaker 3: If if standing with women beaten in the streets is propaganda,
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  Speaker 3: if opposing the execution of protesters is propaganda, if resisting
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  Speaker 3: Nuclei blackmail is propaganda, then we have lost our moral compass.
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  Speaker 3: What is truly political is neutrality in the face of evil.
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  Speaker 3: These voices, when thousands of Iranians were slaughtered, where was
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  Speaker 3: their outrage when women were dragged from the streets for
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  Speaker 3: refusing to cover their hair. Where was their caution when
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  Speaker 3: peaceful protesters were executed. This is not principle restraint. Its
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  Speaker 3: ideological reflex, choosing slogans over solidarity, comfort over courage, and
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  Speaker 3: moral vanity over moral clarity.
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  Speaker 2: Bravo that man. That is the old Labor Party that
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  Speaker 2: I knew and worked for. But let me tell you
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  Speaker 2: how this war is really going, In one word, brilliantly
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  Speaker 2: so far. Yes, the Run is now far one missilet Turkey,
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  Speaker 2: just one and it's shot down. And that one missile
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to drag Turkey and the rest of
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  Speaker 2: NATO into this war. And what's more, Iran's ability to
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  Speaker 2: fire anything at anyone has now been severely curtailed. The
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  Speaker 2: US Central Command estimates who Run is now firing eighty
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  Speaker 2: six percent fewer missiles now than it did at the start.
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  Speaker 2: One reason for that Israel reckons that more than three
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  Speaker 2: hundred raanium missile launchers have now been destroyed already and
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  Speaker 2: the bomb is still going now. Donald Trump meanwhile claims, well,
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  Speaker 2: this attack has stopped Iran from developing a nuclear bomb
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  Speaker 2: in just weeks, although that claim strikes me as false
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  Speaker 2: or exaggerated.
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  Speaker 4: If we didn't hit within two weeks, there would have
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  Speaker 4: had a nuclear weap. And if we didn't do the
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  Speaker 4: B two attack a number of months ago, they would
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  Speaker 4: have a nuclear weap. And it's a complete obliteration of
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  Speaker 4: their nuclear potential, and that set them back very, very seriously.
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  Speaker 4: So many said on a scale of ten, where would
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  Speaker 4: you're ready? I said about a fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's even true that you know if Iran was
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  Speaker 2: weeks from a nuclear weapon, I don't know, but certainly
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  Speaker 2: that was what Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Was working for.
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  Speaker 2: This regime has shown for forty seven years that it
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  Speaker 2: is dangerous to its people and dangerous to the world.
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  Speaker 1: So pray that it falls soon.
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  Speaker 2: But if it does fall, it won't be through the
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  Speaker 2: negotiations that Wog demands. It will come only after more
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  Speaker 2: bombs fall on its leaders and on their weapons of terror.
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  Speaker 2: Until then, Wong should go quiet, because all she's doing
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  Speaker 2: now is encouraging Iran's regime.
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  Speaker 1: To keep firing.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: This war is already sending us a huge warning. This
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  Speaker 2: is the age of drones, and in this war, drones
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  Speaker 2: have become Iran's biggest weapon. Ukraine was the first drone war.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, drones are so cheap that the Ukraine could
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  Speaker 2: make tens of thousands of them and caution, some distressing
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  Speaker 2: footage is coming. Operators in the Ukraine's front line could
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  Speaker 2: use these drones to hunt vehicles, but also more terrifying,
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  Speaker 2: to hunt down individual soldiers. Russia also had drones like that,
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  Speaker 2: but also much bigger. Ones I had drones supplied by Iran,
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  Speaker 2: costing just twenty to fifty thousand dollars each. Now these
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  Speaker 2: drones can cause a lot of damage. One hit the
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  Speaker 2: US consulate in Dubai. Now, the US has been so
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  Speaker 2: impressed through the Iran Shahed drones that it's copied them.
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  Speaker 6: US Central Commands Drone task Force, called Task Force Scorpion
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  Speaker 6: Strake launched countless one way attack drones, achieving massive effects.
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to point out these drones were originally an
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  Speaker 6: Iranian design. We took them back to America, made them better,
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  Speaker 6: and fired their right back at Iran.
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  Speaker 2: But the danger of Iran's drones is not just the explosions.
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  Speaker 2: It's the fact that being so cheap, Iran can build
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  Speaker 2: and fly so many of them at a target that
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  Speaker 2: they can overwhelm air defenses. What's more, yes, you can
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  Speaker 2: shoot them down with nothing more sophisticated than a train
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  Speaker 2: plane with a gunner in the back seat. But if
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  Speaker 2: you're relying on a missile defense, you can quickly run
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  Speaker 2: out of missiles. There have been worries about just that
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  Speaker 2: among Gulf countries, and concerns the US will be left
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  Speaker 2: without enough missile defenses against China. You can also run
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  Speaker 2: out of money. A shah Head drone, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: can cost as little as twenty thousand dollars, but a
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  Speaker 2: missile to shoot it down that can cost between half
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  Speaker 2: a million to two million dollars. Indeed, the United arabehermiratezerus
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  Speaker 2: A made to have spent nearly a billion dollars already
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  Speaker 2: to defend itself from he runs missiles and drones. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me is Oliv Vaornick, head of Drone Shield, which is
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  Speaker 2: an Australian company which has provided cutting edge drone technology
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  Speaker 2: to Ukraine and to our own defense forces, among other customers.
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  Speaker 2: Olic Vordick, thank you so much for your time. The
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  Speaker 2: war in Ukraine turned very quickly into a drone war.
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  Speaker 2: Now this war in Iran isn't quite there because there's
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  Speaker 2: no troops on the ground, so you don't have those
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  Speaker 2: handheld drones. But Iran has nevertheless used about two thousand
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  Speaker 2: drones so far to attack its neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: Won't even hit Cyprus.
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  Speaker 2: What should we learn from this and the new shape
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  Speaker 2: of the battlefield?
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  Speaker 7: The new battlefield is dominated by technology, as we, like
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  Speaker 7: you said, first sin in Ukraine and now in Iran
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  Speaker 7: and the Middle East more generally. That gives critical importance
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  Speaker 7: to the context of layered protection.
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  Speaker 1: So you see a lot of.
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  Speaker 7: The countries which surround Iran are very effective at taking
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  Speaker 7: down ballistic missiles. So I see just in the last
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  Speaker 7: twenty four hours there been reports of Saudis intercepting several
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  Speaker 7: ballistic missiles send from Iran. But Shahd drones and drones
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  Speaker 7: more generally, of course are able to offer and sneak
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  Speaker 7: past the sort of airspace where traditional defense equipment is
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  Speaker 7: able to intercept them. So that of course gives the
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  Speaker 7: requirement to detect and defeat specifically against those threats, and
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  Speaker 7: it just reinforces how traditional military equipment designed for more expensive,
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  Speaker 7: larger targets like missiles, is not very effective or cost
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  Speaker 7: effective against smaller targets like sha head drones.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the cost effectiveness is really a key here, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Because these drones cost so little compared to the anti
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  Speaker 2: missile technology you can build. You can create so many
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  Speaker 2: of them and swarm a defense and overwhelm it.
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  Speaker 7: Shah Head drones have been reported to cost between twenty
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  Speaker 7: and fifty thousand dollars. If you look at the cost
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  Speaker 7: of Patriot missiles, which are order of magnet, should higher
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  Speaker 7: than that. Even if you are able to detect and
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  Speaker 7: track those sh drones using traditional means, which often is
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  Speaker 7: not very effective, you'll be quickly running out of your defenses.
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  Speaker 7: And indeed, we've been seeing some of the countries in
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  Speaker 7: the Middle East saying that they can only sustain this
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  Speaker 7: kind of defense rate using their traditional Patriot style air
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  Speaker 7: defenses for not much longer.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: This has been a lesson, very obvious from Ukraine, and
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  Speaker 2: very quickly it became obvious.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're seeing it here.
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  Speaker 2: Even the Americans have copied the shahedron and using it
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  Speaker 2: against Iran, which is quite ironic. Has how government learn
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  Speaker 2: the lessons and more importantly, has it applied them.
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  Speaker 7: In Australia we have the benefit of distance, of course,
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  Speaker 7: so it is somewhat unlikely that we'll have a near neighbor.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, we don't really have any near neighbors in
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  Speaker 7: a sense of how Iran does apart from New Zealand perhaps,
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  Speaker 7: But layered airspace protection is critical because as we've seen,
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  Speaker 7: for example, in Europe, you can have drone attacks, small
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  Speaker 7: drones being launched locally and then attacking facilities like with
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  Speaker 7: European closure of airports and harassment of drones flying over
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  Speaker 7: the defense bases. So in my mind in Australia this
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  Speaker 7: is more of a threat for us to ensure that
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  Speaker 7: we have air bases that have F thirty fives and
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  Speaker 7: other very expensive assets that they're protected against small drones
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  Speaker 7: essentially breaching more traditional defenses.
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  Speaker 2: But of course if we deployed troops overseas, they will
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  Speaker 2: need to know about countermeasuring countermeasures against the drone attacks.
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  Speaker 2: What is it that our armed forces need?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that we haven't got already?
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  Speaker 7: In Australia we have Land one five six which has
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  Speaker 7: recently been launched, which is protection of the Australian domestic
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  Speaker 7: bases but also for deployments and drone shielders on a
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  Speaker 7: panel and we're actually quite excited to see the initial
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  Speaker 7: deployments under their program. So there have been some portable
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  Speaker 7: equipment that has been acquired, and that's been initially in
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  Speaker 7: smaller quantities and hopefully more to come, but also now
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  Speaker 7: moving to larger deployments that I hope will commence before
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  Speaker 7: the end of this year.
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  Speaker 1: Drones are incredible, aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in a sense of put given smaller or
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  Speaker 2: weaker nations a better chance of inflicting damage on a
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  Speaker 2: stronger one, doesn't it because of the low cost of them.
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  Speaker 2: For a start, we've seen Ukraine punching above its weight
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  Speaker 2: against Russia. Is that how you see it too, That
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  Speaker 2: a very small force now can inflict the significant damage
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  Speaker 2: on a more sophisticated one simply through drones.
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  Speaker 7: It is certainly a much cheaper way of doing warfare.
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  Speaker 7: It is an instrument for a smaller nation. But don't
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  Speaker 7: forget and the Ukraine Russia conflict. Russia now use drones
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  Speaker 7: to attack various Ukrainian targets with a great degree of
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  Speaker 7: effectiveness as well. And yes, it's ability for somebody to
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  Speaker 7: indiscriminately often attack a large number of targets. These things
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  Speaker 7: are cheaper, they're not always as precise as the more
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  Speaker 7: expensive instruments like missiles, But if your goal is to
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  Speaker 7: have a wide ranging set of attacks those as I
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  Speaker 7: was saying, twenty to fifty thousand dollars threats, they're not
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  Speaker 7: expensive and drones are highly modular. You can put the
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  Speaker 7: payload that suits the mission. You can rapidly innovate and
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  Speaker 7: get through a lot of more traditional layers of defenses.
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  Speaker 7: If you think about Dubai, I'm pretty sure or that
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  Speaker 7: the government there would not have anticipated even a month
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  Speaker 7: ago that a Shahed drone attack is possible. And I
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  Speaker 7: think it really sent a signal to a lot of
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  Speaker 7: governments that drone warfare is not something that's even limited
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  Speaker 7: to Russia Ukraine, but it's really how any future conflict
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  Speaker 7: would be thought and for us. In fact, we're seeing
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  Speaker 7: this even in situations like in South America, where in
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  Speaker 7: countries like Mexico and Colombia you have criminal gangs, narco
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  Speaker 7: cartels attacking governments, the facilities the civilians using drones like
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  Speaker 7: what we see now.
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  Speaker 1: In Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Oleic Voornik, thank you so much, indeed for your time pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get on top of that technology here,
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  Speaker 2: I tell you what. Meanwhile, Canada's Prime Minister Cannie today
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  Speaker 2: gave a speech to Parliament to warn the hearts of
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  Speaker 2: so many on the left to hate Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 2: just wish Australia and other weak countries would unite to
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  Speaker 2: stop this leader of the world's strongest country doing whatever.
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  Speaker 1: These people don't like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and stop China too, of course, and hallelujah. Marc
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  Speaker 2: Conney today called again for an Alliance of the week,
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  Speaker 2: the middling week, and.
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  Speaker 8: The question today for middle powers like us is whether
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  Speaker 8: we establish the conventions and help right the new rules
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  Speaker 8: that will determine our security and prosperity, or let the
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  Speaker 8: hegemons dictate outcomes.
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  Speaker 1: In the new global environment.
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  Speaker 8: The ability to form effective coalitions is becoming a central
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  Speaker 8: strategic capability.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, you've got to believe, you know that Australia can
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  Speaker 2: look to Canada to help defend us from China. Really,
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  Speaker 2: they'll come, They'll help us. I mean, Canada and middle
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  Speaker 2: powers in Europe can't even defend Ukraine without American weapons
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  Speaker 2: joining me. Is Peter Jennings, a former Deputy Secretary for
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  Speaker 2: Strategy in the Defense Department and now an Institute of
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  Speaker 2: Public Affairs adjunct Fellow.
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  Speaker 1: Peter always great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Look, you know, it's in one sense, it's totally long controversial.
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  Speaker 2: Australia shore and always has looked for other countries to
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  Speaker 2: help it get what it wants. So what more do
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  Speaker 2: you think Mark Carney is after sounds to me an
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  Speaker 2: anti American alliance.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 9: Most politicians are speaking to their domestic audiences most of
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  Speaker 9: the time, and I guess this plays quite well in Canada.
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  Speaker 9: Kearney can thank President Trump really for his election back
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  Speaker 9: in mid twenty twenty five, because the Liberal Party was
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: heading out the door until time as Trump started to
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  Speaker 9: annoy Canadians with his talk about the fifty first state,
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  Speaker 9: and when Karney gives his speeches like he did at
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  Speaker 9: Davos a month or two ago.
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  Speaker 1: The only real change.
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  Speaker 9: From what you might expect a Canadian Prime minister to
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  Speaker 9: be talking about is that he can't refer to the
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  Speaker 9: United States by name anymore. It's become the nameless hegemon.
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  Speaker 9: But in every other respect it continues doing what Canada does,
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  Speaker 9: which is to say it's an active middle power player
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  Speaker 9: in the international environment. Do you know, Andrew, Canada exports
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  Speaker 9: seventy five percent of all its exports to the United States.
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  Speaker 9: Canada spends just over one point three percent of its
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  Speaker 9: GDP on defense, and it can get away with that
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  Speaker 9: because it has the United States as its neighbor. Canada
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  Speaker 9: is a nice, good quality middle power, but it is
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  Speaker 9: not going to shape the direction of world events, and
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  Speaker 9: Canada cooperating with Australia is not going to shape that
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  Speaker 9: direction either. So, you know, I wish cunning well, but
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  Speaker 9: this is fiction and it really doesn't pay attention to
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  Speaker 9: the realities of great power politics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that whole thing about the world order in the.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all these laws ruled by law over the world,
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  Speaker 2: it's broken down. I'm not sure that it ever was there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in the end, the strong do as they must,
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  Speaker 2: the weak must weep. I mean, it's ever Thus the
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  Speaker 2: only reason it didn't seem challenged for a little while
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  Speaker 2: as American was strong. Now you've got China and Russia
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  Speaker 2: saying no, we'd like to replace the world order. That's
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  Speaker 2: where it all comes from. I don't know what has changed,
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  Speaker 2: and it's suddenly got as niggers in a twists.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it's the politics that's changed. It was Trumps
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  Speaker 9: in an otherwise good quality, by natural relationship which the
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  Speaker 9: Canadians have reacted very badly against.
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  Speaker 5: But that's it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: I've been an advocate of closer Australia and Canada relations
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: for a very long time. I wrote a report on it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: I've tried to champion it. It never really takes off
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: because the foreign policy establishments of Canberra look to Asia
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: and the foreign policy establishment of Ottawa looks across the
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: Atlantic to Europe. There really just isn't a priority for
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: closer Australia Canada relations. Our trade is anemic and I
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: think it will remain that way unless Carnie was prepared
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: to put more energy into it personally than I think
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: he really will. So, you know, no speech in Parliament House,
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: but it doesn't really change the global order, all the
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: power of ins which Canada still deeply relies on, just
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: as much as we do, even though from time to
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: time we don't like the comments. We're here coming from
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: the White House.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Now almost out of time, Peter, but I've got to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: ask you this, this war in Iran, it's been going
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: for just over six days, which absolutely test the attention
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: span of a generation. You know that doom scrolls, because
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm already hearing journalists and critics saying, well, are we
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: there yet? You know, what's the reason for this? What's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the plan for the next government? Could this become a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: quagmaami six days? How do you assess how it's going?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It's going very fast.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: The tempo is something like double the number of strikes
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: that have happened, for example, since the original Iraq war
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: in two thousand and three. It's also been very systematic.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: So first the political leadership was taken out, then air defense,
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: then missiles, then the missile factories, now drones, and what
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: I observe in the last twenty four hours is that
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: the strikes are against the internal security apparatus of the country,
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: which makes me think that the United States has quite
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: a systematic plan here to make it possible for the
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: Iranians to come out of their homes and wipe away
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: the regime. I think that's the direction that we're going at.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: It's not random, and there is definitely a military plan there, although,
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: of course what happens politically you know who can say what?
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: War is complex and messy, But so far I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: this has been a high set of achievements by the
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: Israel and the United States. It's going according to a
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: clear plan, which one can see from the pattern of
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: the strikes they're undertaking, and I think there's plenty of
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: energy in American and Israeli commitment to keep going for
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: quite a good while.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yet.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've noticed that the tags of this last twenty
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: four hours have included the police and even the cyber police,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: who would be snooping of course on internal communications.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So very very interesting. Peter Jennings, thank you so much
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: for your time.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew to the break Barnaby Joyce and why Labour
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: isn't keen to check the grants that Labour gives to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: mosques videos are found may help explain that the Alberdizi
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: government today seem to have no interest in finding out
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: if mosques that it's funded are among those now mourning
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the death.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Of Iran Supreme leader.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I told Ali Kamenei, mourning the death of a man
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: who funded the world's worst terrorist groups, who hanged gays,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: who slaughtered up to thirty six thousand of his own
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: citizens just in January. Now, as I've told you this week,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: one such moss was given six hundred and seventy thousand
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: dollars by this government to expand. Once it was publicized,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the government embarrassed has killed that grant. But what of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the other mosques that have been mourning Iran's tarrant? Have
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: they been funded by this government, by any labor government.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The Minister for Multicultural Affairs, Ann Ali, herself Muslim, didn't
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: seem keen to know.
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  Speaker 7: Have you?
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  Speaker 10: Has the minister investigated all funding commitments made to organizations
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: who have mourned the death of the evil Aotola Homany.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: There is an expectation from this government that all organizations
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: that receive funding conduct themselves under the expectations and within
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: the expectations of Australians, of Australian tax payers.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: There was this expectation, but no admission or sign that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: she'd actually ordered an investigation of these mosques. Now you
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: can understand why label wouldn't want it to look too closely,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: because you look, our labor governments, state and federal have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: showered Mosksimuslim centers for years.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Like Victoria's government.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: A Muslim community has a lot to be proud of.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: Hard work, family, faith, always giving back, always being generous.
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: It's important that we honor that and we support that
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: in every way we can. That's why we've announced as
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: part of our positive plan for the next four years,
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: a thirty million dollar fund to support Islamic schools.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Right across our state of here at.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: Preston Mosque, inspecting some of the redevelopment work that's going on,
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: an extra space for a thousand worshippers. Today's a great
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: day to see these grants come to fruition.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Of course the Presdon Mosque is not among those praising
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Aetola Comani, but you can see how eager labor has
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: been to fund Muslim religious centers. Joining me is my
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Thursday regular guest One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce, the former
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: But it would be great to see you.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Funding mosques does not seem to me a good use
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of taxpayers money, not a proper use, and not checking
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: which have since mourned the death of a tyrant like Kamani,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: seems to me a dereliction of duty.
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: Well, I have an expectation that they have listening to that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: I have an expectation that they really didn't look into this.
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: I have an expectation that they're going to be evasive
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: and not really tell us the truth. I have a
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: concern as well as to how people who obviously love
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: Tolahomani were they doing in Australia. Why are they here?
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: What do you like about him?
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: That he's murdered thirty six thousand of his own people
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: that remember the Israelian the Iranian Republican Guard try to
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: set up the attack on the mosque in Australia and
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: also other businesses. Why are you siding with them? They're
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: kind of the enemy, the enemy, and not only the
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: enemy of Australia, the enemy of their own people.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Where's this sympathy? Where? Where does this will of sympathy
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: come from? Is it?
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: Is it really pro Iranian or is it just an
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: Iranian regime? But nothing against Iranians are great people. My
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: surgeon was Iranian. But I've got a big problem with
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: theocratic dictatorships that just step on the rights and crush
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: and crush the will and the skull of innocent people.
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: And that's exactly what this Iranian dictatorship is and has done.
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: Why mourn their loss, celebrate it?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It seems to me very strange, really strange. Now the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: war in Iran, it seems to me to give us
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: another warning as well, Barnaby. And not just that we're
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: too weak and too divided, and we're too dependent on
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: America for our defense. We're also too dependent on imports
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and especially petrol.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: What kind of wake up do you think that is? Look?
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: And I brought this up as a question at the
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: start of the week. It surprised me that I was
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: the first. I thought that everybody would be onto it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: But are We are now eating the bitter pill of
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: climate policy. This insane idea that Australia that that building
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: is going to change the weather. Good luck with that idea.
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: They can't even change a time, most of them. But
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: what we are seeing now, we see down to two
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: oil refineries. The safeguard mechanism has been pushing businesses, these
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: businesses out of business and now even an essential part
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: in the Australian farming sector. We are deficient in certain
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: qualities of the soil and we require urea to grow crops.
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: And you know what we can't get now, they say
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: they've got stockpiles of it. You won't be getting an
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: urear in because in our desire for that building to
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: change the weather, we shut down our eurear industry, Like
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: we did, we're doing with the aluminium and the steel
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: and the glass, and well your caul fire power stations.
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: Just shut all them down as well in your oil
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: refineries where you might have a bit of a trouble
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: now getting something to eat, because you have two problems.
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: One is you won't have enough diesel if this goes
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: completely to custard for there to be semi trailers to
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: move the product around. And it won't matter because it
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: won't be much product to move round because we won't
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: have one of the vital components of farming in Australia,
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: which is UREA. And we have done this to ourselves,
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: and I don't know, they always come on. We'll sort
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: of make it few changes and will get better. Get
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: rid of your climate department, get rid of these crazy policies.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Just wipe them out.
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: No more climate, normal climate department, normal climate policy. Let's
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: go back to common sense. Rebuild our coal fire power stations,
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: get back a your ear industry, and make this nation strong.
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: Because you're dead right, we have one policy at the moment.
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: If it all goes to custard, the United States of
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: America will save us.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I've got to say though, where I was glad to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: see that the government has well I'm not sure about
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: some co investments sometimes, but it has given three hundred
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: million dollars as a co investment to encouragement to the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: company to build. Are you've really a plant near Karratha
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and in Wa so we shall see that that is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: actually good if it has done that, more useful than
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the problem is.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: They've got to investment, they've got to build. They've got
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: to build it. We need to we get way. We've
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: got to go and go out to go. I'll go
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: to Liverpool plants. Don't worry fellas, just hang about for
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: a few years. The area is coming. You know, this
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: is insane. And what we've got twenty.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: Four days of fuel in Australia and that's without a
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: run on the product. That's what's happening right now. Having
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: a run on the product.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Well, look, the whole thing should make be a big
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: wake up call about being more self sustainable. We were
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: told this afternoon that the by election for Farah, that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the seat that was held by former Offiction leader Susan
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Lee who's now quitting. This by election is going to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: be held on May nine. Your candidate will be chosen
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: on the weekend. There's between three people and I must
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: say I look at it as they seem to cut
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: above what we used to get from One Nation candidates.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: There's a small business owner, Lee Walke, there's Guy Cooper
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and agri business relationships manager with degrees in business and finance.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And David Farley, the former head of the Australian Agricultural
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Company who's worked in the US and Africa, and the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Formans over Union as well. I mean that's a fair
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: range of talent, but it doesn't mean that if you
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: don't win this seat. One Nation has proved it can't.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You know, it can win the polls, but it can't
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: win lower House seats in an election that it's a bubble.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Well let's leave that up to the people of Para.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I will be down there this weekend as part of.
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: That selection and we're lucky we've been blessed with some
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: exceptional candidates. There was over seventy people who applied to
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: stand for the seat of Para. There is a change
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: in the politics of Australia. It's like it's happened around
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: the world. So let's give it put our Bestlee for this.
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: This election is not so much a test of the
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: dynamics of the new form of politics in Australia. It's
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: to find the best candidate to represent the people of
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: para in a competent and cogent way in Canberra.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: And what you have just explained there is we have.
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: An incredibly good suite of people to pick from and
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: that's going to get even stronger. We have other candidates
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: coming forward in a due course. When people see them,
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: they will go, my gosh, that's top shelf and that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: what we want because that's what this nation needs. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: these people will have a clear philosophical compass. You won't
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: need to they won't be looking for the sensible center.
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: They'll just be sensible and be able to show you
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: where it sense lies.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Well, Bannaby, it's to me it's another sign of this
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: One Nation surge that you get that range. Thank you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: so much for your time and viewers, be sure to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: watch our Sky News documentary The Rise of One Nation
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this Sunday at eight thirty pm austraight an instance center time.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen some of the footage. I think
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: After the break, Why our traditional owners paid twenty eight
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to do cultural burns. Who volunteer firefighters will
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: do that job for three hundred dollars. Now, we must
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: stop this dangerous habit that our governments have picked up,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: particularly labor government, of funding what I think of as
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: pet ethnic groups, pet religions, and funding most the people
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: who keep separate most I've talked about throwing money at mosques.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Here's another example.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: The disastrously woke Victorian labor government has spent twenty two
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars on so called traditional owners so they can
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: do cultural burns, you know, to minimize the fire risk.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: This works out to an astonishing twenty eight thousand dollars
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: for each heck they're burned when country Fire Authority volunteers
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: can do the job for three hundred dollars. Join me
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a gun Sky News host chainsmik First and the communications
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: consultant that Christi mcsweeneyer's work for coalition in Prime ministers
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and Premiers James the herald S Soun asked government ministers
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: why these cultural burnofs costs such a fortune.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Given no answer, Climate Change Minister.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Lily Danburrose agent said, oh, we're empowering traditional owners to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: deliver culture for a burnie, why should we.
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I think what our politicians have done, Andrews,
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: they've created a monster that is the indigenous industry, which
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: they promote. Now they've got to feed it. So, having
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: almost deified Indigenous culture, woe betide any government that doesn't
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: fund it and that no longer promotes it. I went
• 35:19
  Speaker 13: online and watched day video produced by the Victorian State
• 35:22
  Speaker 13: government to explain cultural burning, because I thought a cultural
• 35:25
  Speaker 13: burn is when you tease an Englishman about not having
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: seen the sun. But apparently it's very different to that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: And they explained this process and I was trying to
• 35:33
  Speaker 13: understand it, and then finally an elderly Indigenous woman came
• 35:37
  Speaker 13: on and she said, I felt the presence of our ancestors.
• 35:41
  Speaker 13: In fact, they came out of the bush and they
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: listened to us, and a cultural burn is about making
• 35:46
  Speaker 13: peace not just with ourselves, but with our ancestors. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: I sapt and I thought, okay, it's about Indigenous spirituality.
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: So the government is funding spirituality. Now, if the government
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: funded Christians or Muslims to practice their religion, there would
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: be outrage on the left. But somehow we've romanticized Indigenous spirituality.
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: Whether it's the dream time, the rainbow, serpent, cultural burning.
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: Nothing wrong with people practicing their spirituality, but taxpayers should
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: not have to fund it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think they should add all.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And what is the government saying that for twenty two
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: million dollars they won you know, unless we're given that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: much money, it won't be done.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They won't do it. I mean, seriously, what do you
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: make of this? Christy?
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: Well, because I've worked in government a long time, Andrew,
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: I am going to talk to you about process, which
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: is really important to make sure public money is not
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: being spent on things that don't make sense, perhaps like
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: this one. Now, perhaps it does make sense to work
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: with indigenous groups to do eighty cultural birds a year.
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: I don't know it receives twenty two million dollars to
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: do eighty pieces of work is a great wicket for anybody.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: But the government says this is grant funding which is
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: extraordinarily high, instead of awarding them a contract, which, of
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: course then they would have to look at competitive neutrality
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: to do the same job, or they would have to
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: have several indigenous groups tender to apply for various pockets
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: of the contract. Or I don't know, there is there
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: only one group that's received the grant funding.
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: Is it a number of groups?
• 37:33
  Speaker 14: What's the transparency of this to make sure it ends
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: up with twenty two million? I mean surely there's not
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: an indigenous organization in Victoria who thinks that that's a
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: good use of money.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is something that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: Okay, if there's a decision that cultural birding is necessary, great,
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: but why does it cost twenty two million dollars?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: It's interesting too.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That means the grant goes to averages to have that
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: spiritual belief about ancestors or whatever. But if you're an
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I think nearly half average Australia is Christian. If you're
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: a Christian and don't believe it, you get nothing. I
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: mean that is a very interesting question of why fund
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: one set of beliefs or not the other.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Here's another worry for me.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: James studied by the Australian National University has found that
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: fewer than half of young Australians with these of people
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: from eighteen to twenty four, fewer than half think the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: democracy is always preferable to other forms of government. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: don't know what they might prefer, whether it's I don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: know dictatorship, fascism. I don't know the Sharia courts.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, now young people's understanding of dictatorships and
• 38:49
  Speaker 13: fascism is Donald Trump. So that's the first problem we've got.
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: The best way I can answer this, Andrew is, some
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: years ago we took our children overseas. They went to Ethiopia.
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: I love Ethopia, but it's a very poor country. My
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: kids came home from Ethiopia and they said, Dad, Australia
• 39:06
  Speaker 13: is the best country. And it always was the best country.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: It's just they had nothing to compare it with. And
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: I think the problem is their education system. Our kids
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: don't appreciate how wonderful a democracy is because they haven't
• 39:18
  Speaker 13: been educated about the other forms of government that are
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: out there.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's interesting to see David Kosh come back from
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. There was one of these strands stuck
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: over there saying, boy, it makes me really appreciate how
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: good Australia is.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: But how do you explain this, Christy?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that the less educated we're more inclined not
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  Speaker 2: to trust democracy. I don't know whether it's because it's
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  Speaker 2: simply less educated, or whether it's being frozen out of
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sense of being part of this government,
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  Speaker 2: part of this community, not able to buy a house
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  Speaker 2: even or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I mean, as we've seen at university campuses Andrew,
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  Speaker 14: being educated is no installation against hating democracy, and being
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: educated is no installation against compelling you to march in
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  Speaker 14: the streets to free Palestine or for the Aotolra of Iran.
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  Speaker 15: So that point aside.
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  Speaker 14: But when we're looking at polls, and I'm referencing here
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  Speaker 14: the Redbridge Pole and resolved polls also say this. There
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: is a significant grievance aspect in Australia that's growing and
• 40:30
  Speaker 14: growing and growing. It's attributed to the rise of one nation.
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  Speaker 14: They've managed to tap into that because they're a minor party,
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  Speaker 14: which is, I want to destabilize the democratic system of
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: the two major parties that we have. And so some
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  Speaker 14: of them are really loving one nation and what they
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: stand for, and then other people are thinking that they
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  Speaker 14: are the best minor party option to destabilize politics because
• 40:54
  Speaker 14: they don't trust the government and they don't trust the opposition.
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  Speaker 14: And to these voters major parties.
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  Speaker 5: They are all the same.
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  Speaker 2: Although maybe just saying James, smart en up. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say I vote for one nation until
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  Speaker 2: the other two parties smart en up.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I was talking about as part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I was talking to a mate who's a tradee the
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  Speaker 13: other day and he said, I'm not in the politics,
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: which I already knew, but then he said, neither of
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: my mates. But to a man, all of my friends
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  Speaker 13: are saying they're voting one nation at the next election
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: because they are so dissatisfied with the state of the country.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think the real problem is democracy. It's just
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  Speaker 13: the way that our particular politicians who we elected are
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  Speaker 13: carrying on.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know, but it does worry me.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of faith in democracy might just be yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know the two fingers now, but attitudes may harden
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's just very, very dangerous. Christian Mthsweeney
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  Speaker 2: jameson first, and thank you very much to you both.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry it's a shorter segment this week. We'll have more
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  Speaker 2: time next.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump calls Britain's Prime minister a loser,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: but the Palestinian ambassador is all over.
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  Speaker 1: Him like a lover. More bizarre video for you.
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  Speaker 2: This one raising the question what is going on with
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: British Prime Minister k Is Starmer. Now I mentioned last
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: night how Starmer was countoing the British Muslims. No, I'm
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: not going to join this attack on Muslim Iran. He
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even let the US use the joint base at
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Diego Garcia. Now going viral, there's this video of Starma
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  Speaker 2: being stroked and nuzzled by whatever it is that is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: doing by Palestine's so called ambassador to Britain, This loving
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: stroking and then a hand on the Prime Minister's shoulder,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: as if the Palestinians owned him, own the man who
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: recognized their non existance state. I mean, how embarrassing. Join
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: me from London as our regular commentator. Talk TV hosts
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  Speaker 2: Samara Gil Samara, great to see you. Can you explain
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  Speaker 2: that video to me? You tell me any other prime
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: minister who'd let themselves be fondled and pattered and murmured
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  Speaker 2: to it, like like I said before, like a lover.
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  Speaker 16: It's insane and the timing is even more horrible. I mean,
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  Speaker 16: this is while we're on the precipice of World War three.
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  Speaker 16: It seems over here at least and Starmer is literally
• 43:23
  Speaker 16: closing up to someone who celebrated October the seventh. He
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: doesn't condemn her mask. He actually I interviewed that so
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: called ambassador one time. He couldn't tell me that her
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: mask was a terrorist organization. He spent a lot of
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: time spreading fake news in the United Kingdom while that
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: Israel Gaza war was going on. He is not a
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  Speaker 16: good guy, and it shows how weak Kirs Starmer is
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: that he was able to be strong armed by an
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  Speaker 16: ambassador from a country.
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  Speaker 15: That doesn't even exist.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, this is the situation we're in at the
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: moment in the United Kingdom. Starma just kind of stands
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  Speaker 16: there smiling. I wouldn't see the likes of Thatcher doing
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  Speaker 16: that during wartime when we've got so much going on geopolitically.
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  Speaker 15: I don't even know why he attended this IFTA. It's
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: so silly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting you mentioned yesterday Donald Trump blasted
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Kirs Stammer is no Winston Churchill. Today the Telegraph over
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: there reports it is privately called Stamer a loser. I've
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: never seen a president with such open contempt for a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: British leader. How serious is this breach?
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: Tell you what Kirs Starmer brings it on himself.
• 44:38
  Speaker 16: I mean, I think you do have to mess with
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: Trump for Trump to come out like that, and I
• 44:43
  Speaker 16: think he's once again hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 16: with Starmer.
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  Speaker 15: I mean to think that Britain went from being.
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  Speaker 16: Led by the likes of you know, Margaret Thatcher, William
• 44:53
  Speaker 16: Wallace Churchill, as Trump mentioned, to this sort of spineless
• 44:57
  Speaker 16: prime minister who blows in.
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  Speaker 15: I mean it's quite obvious here.
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  Speaker 16: It's hard to explain almost but he's pandering to the
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: Muslim vote and it's really geopolitically getting very testy at
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: the moment. We've just had this election over here where
• 45:14
  Speaker 16: the Greens were able to pick up a seat and
• 45:17
  Speaker 16: that was all because they went on a Progaser ticket.
• 45:20
  Speaker 16: So I'm genuinely thinking that that's now informing our international policy.
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: And Kirstarma is not siding with Australia, Mark Carney's Canada, No, No,
• 45:32
  Speaker 16: he's choosing to side with the sort of Palestinian ambassador
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: and also saying let's go to the table and let's
• 45:42
  Speaker 16: talk to Iran. Sorry, Iran is not someone who wants
• 45:45
  Speaker 16: to get to the table. They want to bomb every
• 45:48
  Speaker 16: Western country. They want death to the West. So this
• 45:52
  Speaker 16: really weak leadership is proving extremely dangerous and trying for
• 45:59
  Speaker 16: the position that the U case in and I think
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: right now it's way too little, too late.
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: We are too late to to the negotiations here, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 15: it's a very trying position.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: So you've got that political crisis as it were, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: crisis a confidence of leadership. You've got Britain going back,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: which you've got the country divided. You've got a navy
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: so weak that it left Creek which has got a
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: British share base there so undefended from drone attack, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: a ship weeks from arriving that Yet you saw it's
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: politicians now dancing with the stars doing the charter with
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: TV star Angela rip On.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how has this footage gone down?
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: I mean talk about arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: I mean that's kind of what it looks like at
• 46:48
  Speaker 16: this point. It's just it's deplorable. I mean, they've just
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: received a five percent pay rise. You've got people in
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: there that genuine only couldn't care less about the United Kingdom,
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: and it's not the time to be dancing. I mean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: you couldn't write this stuff. It's like some sort of
• 47:09
  Speaker 16: horrible snl skit where they're trying to make fun of
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: what Western democracy has become. And it is not the
• 47:18
  Speaker 16: time to be looking weak. It is the time to
• 47:20
  Speaker 16: be looking strong. And it pains me that this is
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: the state of the nation that I'm living in right now.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: God, I'm not going to forgive my producer for playing
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: that footage twice. That's just too much. Samara Gil thank
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you so much indeed for your time. Really appreciate that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I've meant to meet a few people who
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have told me, why don't you do whiskey with a
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: mate anymore?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I just decided to do other stuff, but as
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: a special request, I will do one whiskey with a mate.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Might be a repeat Taniskirt ten You don't need to
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: go overboard with the vintage ten years. It's probably about
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the best value for the money. I can't remember one
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars or something.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, the key is if you go to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Talliska distillery in the Isle of Sky.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Behind it and up it is a little oyster van
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and you can drink your taliska looking at the lock
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: talister below where the oysters come from, and I discovered
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: that oysters with taliskirt is one of the sweetest mixes
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you'll ever have in your life.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: You are going to thank me for this.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Tip Talliska ten years old with an oyster. Honestly, you
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: can thank me later. Send, send, send emails or whatever
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: up next. Sherry MARKSM.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Good note