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Set 2: Chip on the Shoulder (w/ Andrew Hawkins) · Stugotz and Company

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Speaker 1: It is good to see my friend Andrew Hawkins. It's
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Speaker 1: also good to see him all over ESPN all over.
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Speaker 2: Get up. I am proud of you, man. And look
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Speaker 2: at that beautiful set that you're working from it.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, you're getting a lot of run on ESPN. Man,
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Speaker 1: it's cool to see.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Man, just trying to, you know, earn
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Speaker 3: my keep a little bit. It's good to see us, dud.
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Speaker 3: It's been way too long, brother.
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Speaker 2: Yes, what are you proud of? Stuff? On that set
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Speaker 2: behind you? That beautiful set. That's a right back there.
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Speaker 2: What are you proud of?
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Speaker 4: Stuff? A man, that's a loaded one.
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Speaker 3: Most of my trophies come from after my playing career,
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Speaker 3: so that's one thing I'm proud of number one. Right,
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Speaker 3: But I would probably say, I'm gonna go here, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna go here. This is my great Cup. Oh wow,
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Speaker 3: two thousand and ten, right, great cup. Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm most proud of, right there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, is that a mini version or is it like
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Speaker 1: the real version of any version that the real versions
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Speaker 1: are like, you know, they're huge, but the green you
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Speaker 1: want to champion?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 3: I'm a champion That's the thing that people don't understand
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Speaker 3: because I'm a Brown and it's so synonymous with losing.
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Speaker 3: They don't know that I'm a two time damn champions,
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Speaker 3: do guy. So that's why those are important to me.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. Mikey A is laughing. Mikey A
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Speaker 2: is h He's so dedicated.
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Speaker 1: To the craft that he couldn't do this from home
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Speaker 1: and he went to a car dealership to do Wi
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Speaker 1: Fi and coffee.
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Speaker 4: Hey, there you go. I hope you ask permission. I
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Speaker 4: hope you didn't just go in there and just spring
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Speaker 4: up upon have enough of my money.
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Speaker 2: Okay, he owns the joint.
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Speaker 4: Hawk.
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering for you. We asked Rrell Davis this.
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Speaker 1: He said that he loved training camp for about three
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Speaker 1: or four days and then he got sick of it.
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Speaker 4: He was tired of it.
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Speaker 1: I asked my goal look about it. He said, it
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Speaker 1: didn't take them three or four days. He was throwing
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Speaker 1: up on the drive to training camp. How did Hawk
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Speaker 1: experience training camp? Was it something you look forward to?
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Speaker 4: Honest to God?
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Speaker 3: Response to this, Okay, every June, every July, like mid July,
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Speaker 3: is the worst time of year for me. I have
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Speaker 3: like seasonal depression, and I am almost a thousand percent sure.
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Speaker 3: A large part of that is due to twenty years
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Speaker 3: of knowing the football season is coming and I got
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Speaker 3: to go to training camp. That's how much I hate
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Speaker 3: training camp. Guys that here I am ten years later,
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Speaker 3: and I can feel it in my bones. It's like
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Speaker 3: a part of me that wants to get active. Like
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Speaker 3: even when I don't work out at all, all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden, I'll get this joder of energy when my
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Speaker 3: body tells me like, hey, you better get in shape,
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Speaker 3: and so I'll start working out, not realizing that I'm
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Speaker 3: thinking I'm motivated, like oh man, this is like you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm about to get back into shape. No, it's just
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Speaker 3: my body that is in a rhythm of sure being
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Speaker 3: depressed that I got to go to training camp, but
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Speaker 3: then also knowing it's time to get in shape. Like
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Speaker 3: those two things happen every single July.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mikey, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: The worst part. What's the worst part of trading? Is
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Speaker 5: it just the is it just the physical activity or
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Speaker 5: is it just like, oh man, I got to live
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Speaker 5: in like a dorm and like get back to like
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Speaker 5: a routine that I don't want to be in.
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Speaker 3: The physical activity is easy. I mean because you do
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Speaker 3: it your whole life. It's a lot like they purposely
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Speaker 3: make it like they make it mentally tough. And obviously
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Speaker 3: it's changed over the years, but still it's like for
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Speaker 3: everything that they've lost in you know, two days, they've
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Speaker 3: just filled it with some other version of like ways
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Speaker 3: to make it mentally hard on you. You know, I've
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Speaker 3: got a son who's fourteen years old, good football player.
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Speaker 3: He's in his first like high school training camp, and
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Speaker 3: this is like their quote unquote hell week.
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Speaker 4: And I think it's easy, so I've been doing it.
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Speaker 3: I've been doing extra to make it even worse on him,
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Speaker 3: because I'm like, hey, you got to experience this mentally
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Speaker 3: taxing week or two weeks to get yourself ready. And
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Speaker 3: that's the worst part. You're away from your family. It
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Speaker 3: is like anything, even if you love it in excess,
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Speaker 3: is too much. And that's what football is is You're
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Speaker 3: up at six am and you don't stop until nine,
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Speaker 3: you go to bed. You have no time for anything else,
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Speaker 3: you have no time to think about anything else. You're
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Speaker 3: away from your family, You're with a bunch of smelly dudes.
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Speaker 3: You know it gets monotonous.
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Speaker 4: At the time.
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Speaker 3: You're getting yelled at the majority of the time, you're
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Speaker 3: being told how wrong you are. You're being told how
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Speaker 3: bad you're gonna suck if you don't change your ways.
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Speaker 3: You're being told how you're not in shaping up. And
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Speaker 3: this isn't a championship team. And that's from sixth grade
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Speaker 3: all the way up until you know, a twelve year vet.
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Speaker 3: Every training camp, no team's in good enough ship. It's
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Speaker 3: never been a coach in training camp that has ever said, like, man,
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Speaker 3: you guys look great, you are in awesome shape, and
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Speaker 3: we don't got to do extra. You've put so much
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Speaker 3: work in the off season that nobody ever says that,
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Speaker 3: no matter what level you are.
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Speaker 4: And so it's the same kind of shitty no matter what.
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Speaker 3: And that's the part that's the worst about training camp
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Speaker 3: is you know that they're going to treat you like
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Speaker 3: shit and like you've done nothing in your entire life
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna have to whip you into shape.
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Speaker 5: All right, you said, a bunch of smelly dudes. I
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Speaker 5: gotta know who's the smelliest.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you don't go around like putting
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Speaker 3: a ranking to a Mikey, It's not like, you know, like, oh,
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Speaker 3: let me make a note that guy seems a little
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Speaker 3: bit more than this guy.
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Speaker 2: No, they just don't stink.
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Speaker 4: It's just an accumulation.
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Speaker 3: It's a smell, you know, Like I walk into locker
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Speaker 3: rooms now every once in a while and I get
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Speaker 3: this like weird flashback of like, oh, I haven't smelled
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Speaker 3: this in a long time. I forgot what this like
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Speaker 3: with stinky, sweaty shoulder pads and socks and you know,
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Speaker 3: half the team not taking showers after practice. Like it
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Speaker 3: just is a stench that is this accumulation of everybody's
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Speaker 3: you know, individual odors.
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Speaker 4: Mikey.
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Speaker 2: H plus, you're doing this in the dead of summer.
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Speaker 4: I mean, and it's the summertime. Bro, it's like ninety
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Speaker 4: five degrees.
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Speaker 1: It is terrible. Yes, yeah, it's there. Okay, So Terrell
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Speaker 1: Davis you're calling BS. I feel like a Terrell Davis, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: coming for you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a three or four days
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Speaker 3: enjoying of training camp.
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Speaker 4: Now, I don't I don't see it.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of what's going on here with
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield who let his feelings be known because he's
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. The Bucks did not give him the contract.
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Speaker 1: He put a deadline on it, so he's gonna bet
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Speaker 1: on himself. I don't think anyone loves betting on themselves
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Speaker 1: more than Baker Mayfield. He loves putting a chip on
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Speaker 1: his shoulder. Do you think Baker deserves the contract that
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Speaker 1: he wanted?
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Speaker 3: Let me throw them back to you, because everyone loves
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Speaker 3: Baker for gambling on himself. Nobody's asking the real questions.
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Speaker 3: Does Baker have a gambling addiction?
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Speaker 4: That's a question.
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Speaker 3: And is it any different because you gamble on yourself?
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Speaker 3: Does that make it any less of a gambling addiction?
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Speaker 3: He does seem addicted to gambling, but he does. It's
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Speaker 3: like he'll do it every time. He's walked away from
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Speaker 3: good deals. Yes, sound financial decisions. You can see all
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Speaker 3: you went about Cleveland. They offered him a good contract.
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Speaker 3: If my memory serves me right, that was like much
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Speaker 3: more money than he earned over the next two or
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Speaker 3: three years. So at what point are we going to
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Speaker 3: look Baker in the eye and say, hey, man, you
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Speaker 3: should call what eight hundred problem? Because you need to
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Speaker 3: just sometimes just take take what's in front of you.
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Speaker 2: I think it's gambling problem one eight hundred admitute.
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, something you know. And I think that's what
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Speaker 4: you talk about when you talk about Baker. That's like,
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Speaker 4: what is the overarching theme?
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Speaker 3: Like I wish I would say, I'm up, I'm surprised
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Speaker 3: by what's That's just what Baker does. Again, I've watched
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Speaker 3: Baker since day one of him being in Cleveland. And
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Speaker 3: the thing about giving a team a deadline. You can
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Speaker 3: always coach Baker up and say hey, I think you
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Speaker 3: should handle it this way or that way, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: I think they want him there. I know he wants
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Speaker 3: to be there. He's obviously made that well known. I
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Speaker 3: think he's played great. I think the reality is they
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Speaker 3: have a deadline. They didn't reach the deadline.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 3: Not my style with Baker, I would have told him,
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Speaker 3: all right, they didn't reach a deadline. You were gambling.
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Speaker 3: You're gambling on yourself. Go play, don't say anything about it.
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Speaker 3: Say my agents are talking about it. That's you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm focused on football. But then the press conference, in
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Speaker 3: the comments, it doesn't seem like you're focusing on football.
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Speaker 3: It seems like you're rehashing what's going on. Then not
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Speaker 3: meeting the deadline, how you feel valuable and yes, they
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Speaker 3: asked you a question, but you don't have to answer it,
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Speaker 3: you know. And that's again, it's one thing to say, hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to this date, then I
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Speaker 3: want to focus on ball. It's another thing to get
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Speaker 3: to that date and then become a distraction. Like if
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Speaker 3: you don't sign me by this date, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: make sure it's a distraction. And that's a little bit
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Speaker 3: what it feels like with Baker. He deserves his contract.
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Speaker 3: I think his contract will come, but I just think.
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Speaker 4: That it's.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's you're putting obstacles in front of your
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Speaker 3: team and distractions in front of your team, because now
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Speaker 3: this is going to be the topic instead of you know,
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Speaker 3: how the Bucks replaced Mike Evans and what will he
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Speaker 3: look like without Mike Evans and Tampa because we haven't
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Speaker 3: seen a quarterback without Mike Evans there and you know,
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Speaker 3: a decade and a half.
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Speaker 1: So if you're a teammate of his, you're annoyed not
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Speaker 1: that he not that he didn't sign the contract, that
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Speaker 1: he's talking about it and making it a distraction headed
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Speaker 1: into the season, right.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think you're annoyed if you're a teammate,
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Speaker 3: because you know you're you're taught to not worry about
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Speaker 3: other people's money right in their contract situations.
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Speaker 4: You let them handle it how they handle it.
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Speaker 3: But I just think for him, every piece of his
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Speaker 3: brain that is away from playing, every question he has
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Speaker 3: to answer away from playing, is just more brain space
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Speaker 3: that he's not thinking about how to be covered, to
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Speaker 3: what his red zone answers are. Without Mike Evans, he's
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Speaker 3: going to create, you know, one on one matchups for
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Speaker 3: a Mecca Abuka with no solidified number two receivers, no
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Speaker 3: like things like that. I think it just better serve
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Speaker 3: for his his energy in his career. He's going to
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Speaker 3: get his money.
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Speaker 4: He's played his way there, some of the chip he
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Speaker 4: has to get rid of.
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Speaker 3: I had somebody tell me a piece of advice right
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Speaker 3: before I made my jump into professional football, and he said,
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Speaker 3: you know, you play with such a chip on your
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Speaker 3: shoulder and it's draining you. You be better off just
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Speaker 3: worrying about the people who do believe you than to
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Speaker 3: constantly trying to prove the people who don't wrong. And
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Speaker 3: I think that's where Baker is in his career. Nobody
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Speaker 3: says Baker's not a franchise quarterback. Nobody says he's not
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Speaker 3: worth the money. Nobody says he is not the guy
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Speaker 3: that we pegged him to be when he came into
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Speaker 3: the league at this point in his career, and it
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Speaker 3: does feel a little, uh, you know, counter productive to
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Speaker 3: still be creating problems or conversation in that tone of voice,
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Speaker 3: still doubting whether whether or.
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Speaker 2: Not everyone believes in him as a number one quarterback.
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Speaker 2: And I think they gave him three years, one hundred million.
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Speaker 1: But I think Tampa Bay is saying, hey, you're thirty
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Speaker 1: one years old, You're coming off the worst season you've
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Speaker 1: had with us of the three years you've been with us,
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Speaker 1: and you're thirty one years old, and we gave you
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Speaker 1: three years, one hundred million dollars. So it's a very
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Speaker 1: tricky decision. I could see it from both sides. I
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Speaker 1: really can't off.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a team that pays Baker
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Speaker 3: may feel more than a Buccaneers will, right, you know,
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Speaker 3: he can he was a godsend when he came into
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Speaker 3: the Buccaneers.
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Speaker 4: I think he knows that they know that. But to
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Speaker 4: your point.
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Speaker 3: I'm always like, yeah, I was also disrespected by teams
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Speaker 3: in these contract situations or what happened. But the thing
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Speaker 3: about it is I didn't. I was never the kind
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Speaker 3: of person to verbalize it's like, Okay, that's how you feel,
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Speaker 3: this is how I feel, and now I'm going to
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Speaker 3: adjust and move accordingly. That's how I ended up in
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Speaker 3: Cleveland in the first place.
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Speaker 4: But that is the team's job.
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Speaker 3: Their job is to get you for as cheap as
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Speaker 3: they possibly can, and your job is to get them
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Speaker 3: to overpay. They're not looking at you like, hey, I'm
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Speaker 3: sure you're giving us the contract that is perfect, you know,
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Speaker 3: for your value, you know. And I'm sure he's not
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Speaker 3: looking at the team saying like, I'm confident that you
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Speaker 3: were going to give me every penny that we both
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Speaker 3: believe I am worked. That's not how this works. It's business,
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Speaker 3: and you got to be able to separate that from
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Speaker 3: the other side. That way, you can still perform at
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Speaker 3: the level you need to to justify the money you're
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Speaker 3: getting from them, or if you truly gamble on yourself
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Speaker 3: from your next team.
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Speaker 2: Uh Hawk.
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Speaker 1: The only thing I'd be worried about if I'm Tampa
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Speaker 1: Bay is he can go out gamble on himself, have
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Speaker 1: a big year, the team can have a good year,
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Speaker 1: and he's petty, he'll hold onto this stuff.
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Speaker 4: And so I guess him.
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Speaker 1: Actually leaving having a good year and not signing with
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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and going to like the La Rams to
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Speaker 1: replay Stafford, you know.
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Speaker 3: As he should. I mean, the biggest gambler is Kirk Cousins. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's the league's biggest gambler. And that is somebody that's
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Speaker 3: ice cold. I mean he will genuinely pack his shit
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Speaker 3: up and leave, yeah, and go get to the next dollar,
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Speaker 3: the most amount.
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Speaker 4: And you know, if I'm Baker Mayfield, that's how you need.
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Speaker 3: To operate the threatening the It just makes me realize,
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Speaker 3: I know you're bluffing at that point.
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Speaker 5: If you're the Bucks, though, you have to be worried
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Speaker 5: that there are so many avenues that can open up
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Speaker 5: for Baker Mayfield next year that you could end up
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Speaker 5: in a bidding war that you don't want to be in.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the Jets, suppose it doesn't work out in
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Speaker 5: Minnesota with Kyler Murray, then all of a sudden that
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Speaker 5: opens up. What happens if you know some of these
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Speaker 5: other jobs open up, and now you're in a bidding
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Speaker 5: war and you have no plan B.
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Speaker 3: If you're Tampa, yeah, I think it makes for good headlines.
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Speaker 3: I think it makes for great podcas cast content. There's
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Speaker 3: no pressure. If you're Tampa, there's not There's no pressure
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Speaker 3: for your Tampa. The pressure is all on Baker Mayfield.
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Speaker 3: It is because Baker's not really going to go to
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Speaker 3: free agency if they put a certain amount, like it's
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Speaker 3: the season now, the moment they come and say here's
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Speaker 3: what you want it, he's not going to say, no,
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Speaker 3: it's too late, you missed my deadline.
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Speaker 4: I don't want this money anymore.
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Speaker 3: You know, if he was really stone cold, that's what
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Speaker 3: he would say in that press conference, Oh yeah, I
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Speaker 3: gave him a deadline, and now I'm going to free agency.
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Speaker 3: So we're going to focus on this season and then
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Speaker 3: you know, they'll have an opportunity with the other thirty
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Speaker 3: one teams in March. If he said that, that's when
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh shit, right, that's what and not trying
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Speaker 3: to show you how good I've been in the community.
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Speaker 4: My kids are in Tampa.
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Speaker 3: Done, I've done great, I've played well, Like now that's
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Speaker 3: you still campaigning for the number that you want with
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Speaker 3: a fake deadline, So that means Tampa Bay has till
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Speaker 3: now until March to put the money you want in
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Speaker 3: front of you.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, why do I need to rush it? Let
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Speaker 4: me see you play.
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Speaker 3: Let's see if you can play under this pressure, because
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Speaker 3: I know you still want the money. Otherwise, we'll see
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Speaker 3: if you really you're really that convicted to walk away
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Speaker 3: if I put it in front of you, if you
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Speaker 3: continue to play.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, man, am Ike crazy to say that I think
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals are going to win their division?
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Speaker 3: Oh No, You're not crazy at all. Okay, I would
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Speaker 3: say you would if you said they were going to
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Speaker 3: win the AFC. I don't think you would be crazy. Well,
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it. I got to be honest with you.
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Speaker 2: I love Joe burrow Man. I love that team.
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Speaker 4: We all do. We all do.
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Speaker 3: Joe needs to have an MVP season this year. That's
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Speaker 3: where I'm at, and I think Joe believes he will.
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Speaker 3: I think they've done great in the offseason. They've kind
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Speaker 3: of right sized their defense, going to get Dexter Lawrence.
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Speaker 3: They brought a cook at safety, which is a big.
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Speaker 4: Big deal.
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Speaker 3: The Corners played really well last year, so I think
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Speaker 3: that defense will be much better. I think their schedule
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Speaker 3: is like Taylor made for the situation they're in as
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Speaker 3: an organization. They've got an uptick at the old line.
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Speaker 3: I think all the stars are aligning for Cincinnati, and
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Speaker 3: I do believe that they have a very strong chance
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Speaker 3: end up back in the super Bowl if Joe Burrow
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Speaker 3: has an MVP season, and I think he will if
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Speaker 3: he stays healthy.
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Speaker 2: Uh in Cleveland, It's interesting what would you do here?
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Speaker 4: Hawk?
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Speaker 1: Would you go with would you go with Sanders with Shador?
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Speaker 1: Or would you go with Deshaun Watson as the starting quarterback?
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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people are torn on this.
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Speaker 1: I'd probably go to Sean. I think you're gonna say
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Speaker 1: Shador Now I.
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Speaker 3: Want to say Shador. Yeah, I'm gonna say Shador. It's like,
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Speaker 3: what is what is DeShawn gonna get? You? Listen, You're
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Speaker 3: not winning the super Bowl this year? How do I
15:28
Speaker 3: know you know you're not winning the Super Bowl this year?
15:30
Speaker 3: You traded Boles Garrett Away. Yes, okay, so that tells
15:33
Speaker 3: me you're not trying to win this year. So even
15:34
Speaker 3: if the Shawn was the better option. What is the
15:37
Speaker 3: point to get to? What are you trying to win
15:40
Speaker 3: six games? Seven games? You know, I would argue Shador
15:43
Speaker 3: could win six or seven games at the very least
15:46
Speaker 3: you get to see year two to see, Okay, how
15:48
Speaker 3: has the offseason served him well or not?
15:52
Speaker 4: Is he taking a step forward.
15:53
Speaker 3: I just think you can answer yourself more questions, but
15:55
Speaker 3: not that different of a delta with him at quarterback
15:58
Speaker 3: than Deshaun.
15:59
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, I think the Browns.
16:09
Speaker 3: Are going into this season answering as many questions that
16:15
Speaker 3: they can with the quarterbacks that they have Deshaun not included.
16:18
Speaker 3: They've paid them, so yeah, they might say, you know,
16:20
Speaker 3: we paid them money, make them, make them do some
16:22
Speaker 3: freaking work. We gave them two undred and thirty million dollars,
16:24
Speaker 3: which I understand. I think there is if the question
16:29
Speaker 3: from Shador is not answered, and it will be determined
16:32
Speaker 3: by a winning lost column, they're going to move heavy
16:35
Speaker 3: and earth to.
16:36
Speaker 4: Try to get arch Manning. That's what I believe.
16:38
Speaker 3: Wow, I believe their arch Manning is like arch Manning
16:42
Speaker 3: or Bust. I just know they're Tennessee guys. I know
16:47
Speaker 3: like the affinity and respect that they have for the
16:50
Speaker 3: Mannings and their family, and if you look at all
16:53
Speaker 3: of the supporting casts in Cleveland, the Mannings are a
16:58
Speaker 3: family that Hey, if it's not the right situation, we ain't.
17:01
Speaker 4: I don't give a damn where you pick or who
17:03
Speaker 4: your trade away. We're not coming to play there.
17:05
Speaker 3: And I think when you look around the Browns, it
17:07
Speaker 3: is set up for not just a quarterback of the future.
17:10
Speaker 3: If the Mannings had a situation to fall to Cleveland
17:13
Speaker 3: next year in the draft, if their team is in
17:15
Speaker 3: that situation, you look at the receivers they have, You
17:18
Speaker 3: look at the defense, you look at the young corp
17:20
Speaker 3: of guys they've drafted over the last two years. The
17:23
Speaker 3: missing piece could be a Manning to a to some
17:26
Speaker 3: some Tennessee Titans. No put intended in the Haslm family.
17:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting, and DeShawn might win too many games
17:32
Speaker 2: for them to get.
17:34
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, judge about what I've seen from DeShawn
17:36
Speaker 3: and when he's played last I'm not worried about him
17:39
Speaker 3: winning too much too.
17:40
Speaker 4: Many, but he very well could have turned the page.
17:44
Speaker 4: Who knows. Yes.
17:46
Speaker 5: So we had on Aaron Shatz earlier this week and
17:49
Speaker 5: he said the numbers point to the Houston Texans to
17:53
Speaker 5: win to win the AFC. When I'm looking at C. J.
17:57
Speaker 5: Stroud and not only do I wonder how much pressure
17:59
Speaker 5: is on him, but I'm wondering what you need to
18:02
Speaker 5: see from him to sign him to be your guy
18:06
Speaker 5: going forward, considering how he just fell at the playoffs.
18:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I need to see anything. I
18:12
Speaker 3: would sign him. I mean just because look, quarterbacks don't
18:15
Speaker 3: grow on trees. He's had enough good football to say, hey,
18:18
Speaker 3: this is your best option. Your window is now, and
18:20
Speaker 3: your best window is to manage and put structure around
18:25
Speaker 3: him to get him to a point where he's playing
18:27
Speaker 3: his best when it matters most. They've revamped their O line,
18:33
Speaker 3: they bringing David Montgomery in the run game.
18:36
Speaker 4: They have already the best defense in football.
18:41
Speaker 3: You know, they have a ton of depth on the
18:44
Speaker 3: outside at receiver with especially if tanke Down proved to
18:47
Speaker 3: be more healthy.
18:49
Speaker 4: And now they have a year two with Nick Cayley.
18:50
Speaker 3: This is like they've been musical chairs at offensive coordinator
18:53
Speaker 3: for him and Nick Cayley being in year two, who
18:56
Speaker 3: did a great job last year. I think all bows
18:59
Speaker 3: well for the Texas, and I think that's why Schatz
19:01
Speaker 3: probably feels that way is because them along with teams
19:04
Speaker 3: like the Bengals, you know, they're the teams that things
19:09
Speaker 3: seem like they're aligning for, you know, in a positive way.
19:12
Speaker 3: And I would say the same of the I think
19:13
Speaker 3: I think that would be I think it's a really
19:16
Speaker 3: good chance to be the best that he's been in
19:17
Speaker 3: his career this year. Well, you know, I think the
19:19
Speaker 3: way he's a prosed the offseason, I think he's a
19:21
Speaker 3: He was a young guy, got so much start him early,
19:25
Speaker 3: probably underestimated how much harder it would get because of
19:29
Speaker 3: that spotlight, and maybe it didn't coincide with his own
19:32
Speaker 3: his process. All the reports that I've gotten is that
19:34
Speaker 3: his process this year looks a lot closer.
19:37
Speaker 4: To what it could have should have been early on
19:39
Speaker 4: in his career.
19:40
Speaker 3: His talent is still there, supporting cast is there, and
19:42
Speaker 3: his defense, I mean, that's top notch man.
19:45
Speaker 1: So all right, Hawk a couple of quick ones on
19:48
Speaker 1: the way out, and we appreciate the times be concerned
19:52
Speaker 1: that the A J four days in the training camp
19:54
Speaker 1: that or two days in the training gamp, that the
19:57
Speaker 1: Drake may aj Brown connection doesn't look good early on.
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Speaker 4: I think yes, yeah, is that the reports two days in?
20:05
Speaker 1: Yes?
20:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I wouldn't be concerned with that. Zero concern,
20:09
Speaker 3: zero concern. AJ Brown is the top five receiver in
20:12
Speaker 3: the league. I think Drake May is the top five
20:14
Speaker 3: quarterback in the league. I think they Actually, I think
20:17
Speaker 3: Drake May looks better this year than he did last
20:19
Speaker 3: year because AJ Brown is there one of the reasons.
20:21
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a big reason.
20:23
Speaker 1: Would you start Mendozo or Kirk Cousins if you were
20:26
Speaker 1: running the Raiders, Ah.
20:28
Speaker 3: That's a great one. I would start Mendoza. I know
20:32
Speaker 3: Tom Brady wants to sit quarterbacks because he sat. But
20:36
Speaker 3: here's the thing. The reason why Tom Brady sat. He
20:38
Speaker 3: was a six round pick. You barely on a roster,
20:41
Speaker 3: but you weren't like, you know, they didn't hand the
20:43
Speaker 3: keys to you. They didn't put you down because they're like,
20:46
Speaker 3: this is the future of the franchise. Like, no, it
20:48
Speaker 3: was a crap shoot and it just so happened to
20:50
Speaker 3: they've been rewarded with the best quarterback ever. But I
20:52
Speaker 3: think how the NFL is set up now where you
20:56
Speaker 3: have this window for quarterbacks on their rookie deal to build.
21:01
Speaker 4: Around them.
21:01
Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess you can ruin quarterbacks, but at
21:03
Speaker 3: the same time, you got to find that if you
21:05
Speaker 3: got to do because you got to see if you get.
21:07
Speaker 4: The fifth year option or year or two.
21:09
Speaker 3: And the more you sit, the more question marks there
21:11
Speaker 3: are around him, and it just you take away a
21:13
Speaker 3: really really pivotal year again where he's on a rookie
21:16
Speaker 3: contract and eventually he'll be making seventy million dollars a
21:20
Speaker 3: year if he is a guy.
21:22
Speaker 1: Rams of the field. It's the first time in a
21:23
Speaker 1: long time I felt like we could do one of these.
21:25
Speaker 1: I asked Goligains, Stumpy.
21:27
Speaker 2: Had no idea where to go. Rams of the field
21:29
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl this year?
21:31
Speaker 4: Did Aaron Donald come back? Yes, Aaron Donald back. I'm
21:35
Speaker 4: taking the Rams.
21:37
Speaker 3: But without him they could still win, right and without
21:40
Speaker 3: him they could still win. But I'm like more fifty
21:43
Speaker 3: one forty nine to the field. Aaron Donald is the
21:45
Speaker 3: best football player in NFL history.
21:47
Speaker 2: That's my take.
21:48
Speaker 3: That's what I really best. I think he is the
21:51
Speaker 3: best football player that the game has ever seen.
21:54
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. Him and Miles Garrett.
21:57
Speaker 1: I mean, geez, ridiculous, very ridiculous. All right, two more
22:01
Speaker 1: we get you out of here. When you give your
22:02
Speaker 1: son advice, is your son rejecting your advice?
22:06
Speaker 2: Is he wanting it? Is he is he soaking it up?
22:08
Speaker 2: Or is he like, Dad, shut up, I got this,
22:10
Speaker 2: you know, ebbs and flows.
22:13
Speaker 3: I think I think recently he's starting to see me
22:16
Speaker 3: as a football player, where before it is just like Dad,
22:18
Speaker 3: shut up. He's in a space now where he comes
22:21
Speaker 3: to me for all the answers, you know, And that's
22:24
Speaker 3: now I'm trying to get him mad at that, like, hey,
22:26
Speaker 3: you can't be in the middle of the game and
22:27
Speaker 3: look up to me like hey, what did you think?
22:29
Speaker 4: No, it's like you're in it now. You just got
22:31
Speaker 4: to go. We'll talk later.
22:32
Speaker 3: You know.
22:32
Speaker 4: Where before he was like, man, shut up.
22:34
Speaker 2: What do you know?
22:35
Speaker 4: You know?
22:36
Speaker 1: I got him in a good space right now, Stu
22:38
Speaker 1: guys just showing those breakup trophies. Man reminded me of
22:41
Speaker 1: you will go.
22:42
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, come on, are you serious?
22:46
Speaker 5: I did?
22:46
Speaker 3: He was taking to Montreal so he put some respect
22:48
Speaker 3: on my damn may.
22:49
Speaker 2: Yes, you'll know he's fully grown up. What he's just rejecting.
22:53
Speaker 1: He's not looking to you anymore, Okada, Exactly, It's not
22:57
Speaker 1: far away, I promise you.
22:58
Speaker 4: I probably it's so good.
23:00
Speaker 2: All right, here's the final question.
23:01
Speaker 1: We've asked every single guest this Indiana University of Indiana
23:05
Speaker 1: football school or basketball school?
23:11
Speaker 4: But is that? How does that? I need more context
23:14
Speaker 4: now or just like overall right now.
23:18
Speaker 1: Right right this second, because I think if you ask
23:20
Speaker 1: in any other year, I think everyone in Indiana would
23:22
Speaker 1: say we're basketball school. But basketball schools want to be
23:25
Speaker 1: football schools because there's more money with football and.
23:27
Speaker 2: So so right now, let's do it right now.
23:31
Speaker 3: They're a football school, so they're raining national champions like
23:35
Speaker 3: that's you can't call it rainning national champions.
23:38
Speaker 4: Not a football school, right, you're at nuts. They're a
23:41
Speaker 4: football school's absolutely all right?
23:44
Speaker 1: Top in the Hawks. I'd like to have you around
23:46
Speaker 1: here more. We appreciate it, man, it's good to see
23:47
Speaker 1: your smiling face. Mikey's going to run here. His oil
23:50
Speaker 1: change is done.
23:54
Speaker 2: But we appreciate you doing this.
23:56
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald the greatest football player of all time. That's ah,
24:00
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a good take right there.
24:02
Speaker 2: I like it.
24:03
Speaker 4: You don't believe that, but I don't care because.
24:05
Speaker 2: I think it's Lawrence Saylor. That's all yeah, I know.
24:07
Speaker 4: I get it. I'm not mad at you for that,
24:09
Speaker 4: but I appreciate you guys having me brother all right.
24:11
Speaker 2: We love you Hawk, Thank you for doing this brother
24:13
Speaker 2: all right, man,