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Speaker 1: Is the Gold Report It.
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Speaker 2: Tonight a new apartheid, the shocking new ban on non
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Speaker 2: aborigines sailing or even walking around Australia's biggest lake cultural
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Speaker 2: reasons yet again. Also tonight, how the police fool us
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Speaker 2: about the anti Semitic attacks they claimed weren't really and
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Speaker 2: in fact checking, Tucker Carlson, the unhinged conspiracy nut telling
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump the Ukraine's president is a corrupt dictator, and
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Speaker 2: Russia's president he's just getting a bad rap. If America
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Speaker 2: sounds a bit unhinged at the moment, this man is
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Speaker 2: one explanation, and plenty more, including the first pictures of
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Speaker 2: a frightening new ship that proves China is preparing for
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Speaker 2: an invasion, but first. Victoria's disgusting labour government has become
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Speaker 2: a danger to the nation, effectively funding criminals, and the
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Speaker 2: Alberdezi government is complicit in this corruption and grotesque waste
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Speaker 2: of public money. Last night, channel known as sixty Minutes
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Speaker 2: exposed new allegations of criminal behavior by figures in the
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Speaker 2: CFMU construction industry particular union, particularly Victoria, like the CFMU
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Speaker 2: Health and Safety representative. Would you believe linked to the
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Speaker 2: rebels biking gang caught on camera allegedly attacking his girlfriend
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Speaker 2: during his lunch break out of Victorian worksite. This man
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Speaker 2: was laid a sacked and a warning. Some of the
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Speaker 2: footage I'm about to show you is confronting another CFMU
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Speaker 2: backed figure allegedly locked a female worker in a small
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Speaker 2: room at the Footspray Hospital redevelopment before smoking a crack
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Speaker 2: pipe and blowing the ice fumes in her face. She
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Speaker 2: was black banned. He was apparently given a job somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: But at the top of that is the money, such
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Speaker 2: as a massive blowouts in Victorian government's projects called the
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Speaker 2: Big Build tens of billions of dollars over budget, but
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Speaker 2: also the apparent protection racket run by some CFMU cronies,
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Speaker 2: plus the cash they creamed off the top. According to
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Speaker 2: the special investigator who was appointed after the union was
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Speaker 2: put into administration last year because of its alleged infiltration
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Speaker 2: by organized crime, he says it's the Victoria labor government
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Speaker 2: covered it up.
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Speaker 3: You get appointed to a particular job and you might
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Speaker 3: only come once a week or once a fortnight, and
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Speaker 3: the pay rates are quite extraordinary. I mean it's quite
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Speaker 3: common to three thousand a week, five thousand a week.
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Speaker 3: You can even get up to ten thousand dollars a week.
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Speaker 3: You can see what's happened. It's just become a place
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Speaker 3: of resort or retreat for Bikis. I see a network
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Speaker 3: of gang figures spread over the whole of the Melbourne
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Speaker 3: metropolitan area.
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Speaker 2: Now the Victorian Premier did not any cover up, so
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Speaker 2: police were now investigating these latest claims. Should talk to them,
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Speaker 2: but the state opposition leader said it was all too
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Speaker 2: late and too little.
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Speaker 4: The management of a union is working side by side
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Speaker 4: with bikis and organized gangs on work sites owned and
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Speaker 4: operated by the Victorian state government. So many Victorians they
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Speaker 4: struggle each and every.
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Speaker 2: Day just to get by.
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Speaker 4: Yet we're seeing billions of dollars being wasted and sent
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Speaker 4: straight through to those that shouldn't have it, who are
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Speaker 4: effectively running our government.
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Speaker 2: Now three things here, take the Albanzi government as well.
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Speaker 2: One it has put your money into Victoria's Big bill
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Speaker 2: as well. Two, the CFMU for years was a massive
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Speaker 2: donor to federal and state labor. The Liberals say eleven
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Speaker 2: point five million dollars to labor in the past five years.
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Speaker 2: And three in exchange, the Albaneze government promised to scrap
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Speaker 2: the government watchdog overseeing this union, the ABCC Stream Building
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Speaker 2: and Construction Commission, and started to define the ABCC immediately
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Speaker 2: after Labor was elected.
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Speaker 5: As of Tuesday, the ABCC in its powers will be
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Speaker 5: pulled back to the bear legal minimum.
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Speaker 2: Obvis you. Leader Peter Dutton today promised to bring back
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Speaker 2: that ABCC if he was elected Prime Minister, along with
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Speaker 2: new racketeering laws to let police go after the union
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Speaker 2: itself and not just the individuals.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister has no interest in clearing it up
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Speaker 6: because he is the financial beneficiary. His party is the
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Speaker 6: financial beneficiary of the donations of the CFMAU. The CFMU
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Speaker 6: still sits on the National executive of the Australian Labor Party.
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Speaker 6: This is the biggest corruption scandal in country's history.
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Speaker 2: Now the alban Easy Governments today is saying, oh look, no, no,
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Speaker 2: we've asked police now to investigate what you saw, for instance,
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Speaker 2: that woman allegedly being attacked, plus other allegations to raise
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Speaker 2: by sixty minutes. But once again I have to ask,
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Speaker 2: why does it take journalists to tell labor politicians what
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Speaker 2: is going on in construction projects that these labor politicians
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Speaker 2: fund and that these labor politicians are supposedly policing, and
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Speaker 2: all of this involving a union these labor politicians have
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Speaker 2: been close to sometimes for decades. Is it blindness? Is
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Speaker 2: it a looking away? Is it? Mates, rates politics? Explain
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Speaker 2: it to me and just look at the waste here
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Speaker 2: as well, a blowout so far of at least forty
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Speaker 2: billion dollars in just a Victorian government's big build with
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government just a couple of weeks ago, saying
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Speaker 2: never mind, here have another two billion this time of
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Speaker 2: federal funds. This stinks, doesn't it? Labor union mates, billions
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Speaker 2: of dollars of taxpayer money stand back from the smell.
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Speaker 2: But do you think a single politician is going to
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Speaker 2: pay for overseeing this stinking money pit? Joining me is
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal president and Stephen Conroy, former
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Speaker 2: Labor senator and cabinet minister. Stephen, the CFMAU was never
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Speaker 2: part of your group of unions when we still are
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Speaker 2: a bit of outbroke of it. But what is it
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Speaker 2: with labor and the c FMEU.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think firstly you've got to again comradulate
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Speaker 1: Nick McKenzie and his team for doing an extraordinary job.
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Speaker 1: This is not an easy thing for to get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of. There has been a culture of silence
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Speaker 1: and non cooperation, and his ability to get people to
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Speaker 1: talk and reveal what's really been goang on deep down
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Speaker 1: in the dark shadows is a tribute to his abilities
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Speaker 1: and the team.
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Speaker 2: So I think you've got to say that.
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Speaker 1: But secondly, while I appreciate you want to try and
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Speaker 1: link Albanese to this, could I just make the very
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Speaker 1: simple point that when you say like a new intro,
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Speaker 1: never part of my team, and be very clear, the
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Speaker 1: CFMEU have never been part of our Both two, he
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Speaker 1: kicks that her out, He's forced the pace on closing
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Speaker 1: them down after the last expose a so that they've
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Speaker 1: been put into administration and we've got people inside and
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Speaker 1: there's some of this information that came out. So it
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Speaker 1: comes because the Albanezi government actually pushed the union into
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Speaker 1: the administration. There's core challenges against it. So the c
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Speaker 1: FMU are not friends of Federal Labor, they are not
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Speaker 1: friends of Anthony Albanese in the same way they've never
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Speaker 1: been friends of mine. Having said that, having said that,
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Speaker 1: what has been uncovered.
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Speaker 2: Here eleven five machine enbrossments and even put into the
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Speaker 2: governments of labor is not allowed. Labor and the Albanize
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Speaker 2: government hang on. The Albanize government then killed off the Watchdog,
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Speaker 2: which was a key CFMU demand. And yes they did
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Speaker 2: register the union, but only Michael Kroger after the same
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Speaker 2: journalists that Stevers rightly praised exposed deep connections with underworld
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Speaker 2: figures last year. They had no option. And the point is,
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Speaker 2: we can congratulate the journalists all we like, but why
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Speaker 2: wasn't this the result of investigations from a government appointed body.
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Speaker 2: Why do they have to sit there and wait for
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Speaker 2: journalists to tell them before they act?
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Speaker 5: Well, for the reason that you said that they've been
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Speaker 5: in bed with the CFMU for more than a decade.
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Speaker 5: I mean the first thing, Albersi, Stephen, if that's true,
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Speaker 5: Albanesi and this tainted premier in Victoria Allen, they should
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Speaker 5: repay the eleven and a half million, give it back
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Speaker 5: to it's tainted money. It should be repaid by the
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Speaker 5: federal and state branch of the Labor Party. Secondly, what
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Speaker 5: we're trying to be told that for ten years, so
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Speaker 5: the Victorian premier is Justindre Allen who's been in charge
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Speaker 5: of these things. She knew nothing. In a decade. It
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Speaker 5: took Nick McKenzie's extraordinary investigative work and reporting what she
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Speaker 5: couldn't find any of that out. She knew nothing about
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Speaker 5: any of that. Alberansi, Federal Labor, Murray Watt and all
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Speaker 5: Tony Burke. None of these people knew nothing. The sort
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Speaker 5: of Sergeant Schultz defense that is just a total lie Andrew,
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Speaker 5: that none of these people knew anything, right, It is
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Speaker 5: just absurd. It defies belief. It's an insult to the
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Speaker 5: pub just oh, we knew absolutely nothing, So it's an
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Speaker 5: artist grate. Look, the Victorian Premier should resign. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 5: this has all happened on her watch. And enough's enough.
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Speaker 5: That Jeffrey Watson in the paper today and the Age,
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Speaker 5: and that Sydney on a herald today. He's not a
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Speaker 5: man to be toyed with in my experience of watching
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Speaker 5: and listening to him. So he's onto these people, and
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Speaker 5: good on him.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to correct you on one thing, Michael,
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Speaker 2: when you say laborer is to repay that eleven and
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Speaker 2: a half million dollars of the CFM you poured into
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Speaker 2: its pockets clearly to buy favors. In my opinion, they
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Speaker 2: should not be repaid to the CFMU. Absolutely not. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be repaid to everyone. The CFM you extorted
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Speaker 2: to get that kind of cash. That's what should really
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Speaker 2: be happening here. Meanwhile, that's true to that's true, Stephen,
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Speaker 2: the free money or the windfall money from you know,
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Speaker 2: high commodity prices, et cetera, pricess for our minerals, etc.
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Speaker 2: It's run out. The Albaniezi government says two years of
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Speaker 2: surpluses are now over. The budget next week will be
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Speaker 2: back in the red this time. Jim Charmers, the man
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Speaker 2: of a thousand excuses, is blaming not himself, of course
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Speaker 2: not but ex cyclone Olfred here is Oh, there won't
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Speaker 2: be a surplus this year. I think that's pretty clear.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this, Stephen? How did the
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Speaker 2: government run out of this money? We're not in a
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Speaker 2: recession and again it's back in the red. How did
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Speaker 2: this happen?
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Speaker 1: I think you just made a very key point there.
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Speaker 1: We're not in a recession, but what we've had is
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Speaker 1: a contractionary interest rate policy run by Neanderthals at the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank at a time when it is now clear
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Speaker 1: that they have had their foot on the break for
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Speaker 1: far too long. The economy has been going like this
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Speaker 1: in terms of growth. Growth is what drives revenue into governments.
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Speaker 1: Growth is what drives surpluses. And the Reserve Bank, out
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Speaker 1: of a completely neanderthal ninety seventy's view of how an
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Speaker 1: economy actually works, have been strangling the economy for the
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Speaker 1: last three years and they have refused to accept all
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Speaker 1: of the data, all of the facts that have come out,
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Speaker 1: and so that's left the economy trucking along at forecast
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Speaker 1: of one percent. That's why you go into deficit. Your
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Speaker 1: trucking an economy at one percent. Because the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: have refused to take the ideological goggles off and actually
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Speaker 1: lower interest rates. They are on track the pushes below
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Speaker 1: percent inflation because of their existing policies. They have a
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Speaker 1: lot to be blamed. We were out today in this.
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Speaker 2: Economy on earth, there would be.
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Speaker 1: The luckiest treasure, the luckiest treasure on Earth.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to point Michael, I'm going to point out
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Speaker 2: some figures here. It's all the Reserve banks folk. Poor
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Speaker 2: old Jimbo there, he is the ultimate spectator you know,
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Speaker 2: like the Grand Prism zoom. They're all going past. Nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with him. The budget will be in deficit
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Speaker 2: even though and we've got figures from the Opposition they've
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Speaker 2: been pushing this. They've got a costing up Australian couples
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Speaker 2: are actually the opposition seven thousand dollars a year in
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Speaker 2: extra income tax on average is the Ambanzi government was elected.
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Speaker 2: They've had masses of immigrants come in to help boost
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Speaker 2: up the coffers and it's just incredible. We're supposed to
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Speaker 2: believe that Jim Charmers just got unlucky.
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Speaker 5: Jim Jim, Jim's a dope. He's been a shocking treasure. Stephen.
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Speaker 5: Government revenues have exploded, surpluses term but Stephen, nothing to
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Speaker 5: do with him. You had nothing to do with him.
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Speaker 5: It's like.
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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with him, had nothing, but he's had
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Speaker 1: of goal from the coy about Peter.
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Speaker 5: That was twenty years ago, massive increase. Jim's had massive
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Speaker 5: increases in revenue because of low unemployment, massive immigration, high
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Speaker 5: increase is in commodity massive. We'll forget if that was
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Speaker 5: twenty years ago, delivered surplection, letting you delivered to an
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Speaker 5: out of eleven. Let's talk about this, Andrew. The position
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Speaker 5: is this Charmers has Charmers has been unable to control
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Speaker 5: his spending. It's going massively up. It's going to twenty
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Speaker 5: seven percent of GDP next year. There's a twenty seven
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Speaker 5: billion dollar surplus coming this year. There's one hundred and
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Speaker 5: fifty billion dollars worth of surplus is coming over the
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Speaker 5: forward estimates. Why this guy cannot control his spending right,
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Speaker 5: there's never a spending proposal that Jim Charmers has said
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Speaker 5: no to. Is a soft touch for everyone that walks
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Speaker 5: into his office. The reason that one of the reasons
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Speaker 5: we're in an economic crisis in this country is because
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Speaker 5: he's one of the weakest treasure on record. And when
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Speaker 5: you see, you know, government outlays as a percentage of GDPs,
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Speaker 5: Chris Juman just pointed out, has gone from twenty four
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Speaker 5: to twenty seven percent of GDP over a four year period.
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Speaker 5: That's all you need to know about this bloke. He's
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Speaker 5: a week in sip of treasurer and he's caused enormous
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Speaker 5: economic pain in this country.
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Speaker 2: Jim Charmers, I'm gonna I'm going to have you an
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Speaker 2: e because government spanners is no good. No, it's no good.
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Speaker 2: You can't do it. A record amount of revenue, record
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Speaker 2: amount of spending, and now we're back into the black.
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Speaker 2: I mean the reds. Who would have thought China last.
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Speaker 1: Sleeping, We're actually not going for acession because of Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 1: Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 2: Recession.
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Speaker 1: Doing government spending is part of the economy. If we'd
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Speaker 1: have done much prescription, we'd.
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Speaker 5: Have been which is you want to be stevession.
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Speaker 2: For two, you didn't have to embarrass yourself by defending this.
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Speaker 2: Now listen China last week. This is frightening unveiled. It's
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Speaker 2: new landing ships. There's going to be five of them.
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Speaker 2: These are ships that you run up to a beach.
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Speaker 2: It's got eight pilands. I think it's eight or six pilons.
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Speaker 2: They jack them up as you can see that's they're
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Speaker 2: jacked up. It is then lifted above the water and
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Speaker 2: then you can use them as a dock for driving.
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Speaker 2: You know, other ships go there, unload whatever, tanks, trucks
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Speaker 2: and look at that one hundred and twenty meter long
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Speaker 2: gantry there or whatever. It is a bridge as it were,
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Speaker 2: and you can drive them straight onto ferm Land right
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Speaker 2: over the beach onto ferm Land. There is only one reason, Stephen,
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Speaker 2: for vessels like that, and that's to invade a country
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Speaker 2: like Taiwan. What do you make of this? I agree
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Speaker 2: with you entirely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, China are clearly preparing themselves to be able
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Speaker 1: to invade Taiwan. But that's not a state secret. I
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Speaker 1: think they've been pretty clear about it. The question is
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Speaker 1: can the Combined West repair the damage Donald Trump's doing
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Speaker 1: to the combined West concept? And it doesn't. It's not
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Speaker 1: just the West when we're in Asia, it's Japan, it's Indonsia,
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Speaker 1: it's Philippines, it's Korea as well as Australia. Can we
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Speaker 1: have the trust the US will actually play a positive role,
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Speaker 1: unlike what Trump is playing in with NATO and the Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: So China absolutely are continuing down a declared path that
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Speaker 1: they hope to have Taiwan back in what they call
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Speaker 1: their own fold by twenty seven or thirty, and they
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Speaker 1: are just marching on towards that. What we need is
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Speaker 1: the West and those countries I've just mentioned, the other
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Speaker 1: democratic states in our region to all be on the
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Speaker 1: same page and people at the moment are looking over
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Speaker 1: this going. If we want to have this discussion, if
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Speaker 1: we want to discourage China, we need to know Trump
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Speaker 1: and the US. I've got our back on this debate
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Speaker 1: because we're at the front line of it America again,
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Speaker 1: they're away. They've been traditionally totally supportive. But whether we
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Speaker 1: can have the confidence that Trump will actually be there
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Speaker 1: or not oral cuts. I'm there for China, detain go
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Speaker 1: to Taiwan. That's the issue.
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Speaker 2: No, see very just as soon as you are. But
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Speaker 2: I have to say this government, our navy has just said,
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Speaker 2: oh no, we can't have the full refit for the
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Speaker 2: aging Collins Class submarines to extend them as much as
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Speaker 2: they need, their life as much as it needs to
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Speaker 2: So really we got to look more to ourselves. That
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Speaker 2: is a disgrace. I feel that we're sitting duck while
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Speaker 2: China's ready for war. Michael Kreegys, Stephen Conroy, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much to you both. Now there are warnings that
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Speaker 2: letting me put is playing Donald Trump, and that does
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Speaker 2: make me wonder if the US President has been listening.
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Speaker 2: So the worst people you could think of to advise him,
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Speaker 2: and I have one in particular in mind Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: is falsely called Ukraine's president a dictator, falsely accused him
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Speaker 2: of starting this war, even cut off supplies of US
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Speaker 2: weapons for a while to force Ukraine to agree to
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Speaker 2: a ceasefire, which is now done. But Putin, Vladimi Putin,
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Speaker 2: it's just put on army fatigues. In response, Is ordered
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Speaker 2: his army to go in even harder and reportedly made
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Speaker 2: Trump's envoy wait eight hours on the weekend before seeing
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Speaker 2: him to hear about Trump's ceasefire plan. And then Putin
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Speaker 2: still demanded all sorts of in fact impossible conditions to
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Speaker 2: delay and delay give his army more time to keep attacking. Now,
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Speaker 2: Trump denies his envoys made to wait all that Vladimir
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Speaker 2: Putin is playing him.
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Speaker 7: What's the plan?
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Speaker 3: If Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire.
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Speaker 8: Bad news for this world because so many people are dying.
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Speaker 9: But I think he's going to great, I really do.
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Speaker 2: I think I know him pretty well. Now we shall see.
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Speaker 2: I still have some hope in Trump here, But I
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Speaker 2: do wonder whether he will now realize that Tucker Carlson,
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Speaker 2: the sacked Fox News host now huge on the internet,
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Speaker 2: a star at the Republican Convention, a campaigner for Trump,
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Speaker 2: a booster of Trump, an engine of anti Ukraine propaganda.
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Speaker 2: Whether Trump will realize this man is nuts even evil,
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Speaker 2: Carlson has been whipping up Trump's Republican base, telling it
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelenski a Jew, is a corrupt, warmongering dictator,
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Speaker 2: and Vladimir Putin the Russian the Russian president, he is
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Speaker 2: a Christian, has been a victim pushed into this war.
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Speaker 2: What amazes me is that Carlson is hugely influential in
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Speaker 2: the right, even though it's such a kooky conspiracy nut
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Speaker 2: that he this week claimed the French president's wife a mother,
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Speaker 2: is actually a man and a pedophile, and has claimed
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Speaker 2: that he himself was unscrewed in bed by a demon.
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Speaker 10: In my bed at night and I got attacked while
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Speaker 10: I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in
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Speaker 10: the bed and mald physically mold in a spiritual attack. Baademon, Yeah, beademon.
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Speaker 2: But like I say, Carlson is hugely influential. Spring is
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Speaker 2: insane conspiracy theories sixteen million followers on x, the sixth
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Speaker 2: biggest podcast in the US on Spotify. So I thought,
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Speaker 2: let's fact check this man. Joining me to do. That
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Speaker 2: is doctor Michael Lartsky is an author, a former academic,
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Speaker 2: a former chair of the Ukrainian Studies Foundation of Monish University,
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Speaker 2: a former trusty in Melbourne's trying to remember, so I
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Speaker 2: could go on and on, Michael, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for joining me. Tucker Carlson last week gave an interview
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Speaker 2: repeating all the popular anti Ukraine conspiracy theories that are
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Speaker 2: viral and social media, many pushed, it seems by Russian bots.
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Speaker 2: I want to go through as many as we can
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Speaker 2: in the next five or six minutes, starting with this
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Speaker 2: one about Ukraine's President Zelensky, a claim repeated by Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump himself. Have listened, he was democratically elected.
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Speaker 10: Well, he's not democratically elected. He's passed his term. And
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Speaker 10: so by what authority does by hold on, let me
22:18
Speaker 10: question go ahead, By what authority does Zelensky negotiating on
22:22
Speaker 10: behalf of this country rule his country? He just he
22:25
Speaker 10: just put his mean political opponent under indicatement and froze
22:30
Speaker 10: his personal funds under internal sanctions. The security services of Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Sounds familiar, doesn't it.
22:38
Speaker 1: I don't we know what We just went through the
22:39
Speaker 1: same thing in this country sounds.
22:41
Speaker 2: Like dictator what I'm saying. By the way, Tucker Castle
22:45
Speaker 2: says Zelenski is a dictator, is he not at all?
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Speaker 9: He's not a dictator. He was elected in twenty nineteen
22:55
Speaker 9: with a very big popular mandate. Seventy three percent of
22:58
Speaker 9: the country voted for him, the north, the west, the east,
23:02
Speaker 9: and the south of the country. Everybody voted for Zelensky
23:05
Speaker 9: because he was promising an end to the war that
23:10
Speaker 9: was already going on, and also to tackle corruption in
23:14
Speaker 9: the country. Now, the thing is that his term has expired,
23:18
Speaker 9: but the constitution of Ukraine requires that when there's a
23:22
Speaker 9: situation of war, which there is at the moment, that
23:24
Speaker 9: elections can't take place. Let's also remember that the United
23:29
Speaker 9: Kingdom during World War Two for ten years didn't have
23:32
Speaker 9: an election, and Churchill was never elected by the population
23:38
Speaker 9: of the UK during the war. So clearly it's furfy.
23:44
Speaker 9: So the thing is that I think that, well, you
23:48
Speaker 9: play this the US administration.
23:50
Speaker 2: Michael, I would add this. I would add this that
23:52
Speaker 2: Zelenski's popular was elected by a bigger margin than Trump was,
23:56
Speaker 2: and he retains a higher popularity in Ukraine than Trump
23:59
Speaker 2: has America. Then there was this one that Russian President
24:03
Speaker 2: of Letedimir Putin, on the other hand, is not a dictator.
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Speaker 10: No, no, Russia. Putin does not have absolute control of
24:10
Speaker 10: his country, and there are all kinds of potential rivals.
24:14
Speaker 10: I'm definitely more sympathetic to Putin and Zelenski.
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Speaker 9: Michael your response, Oh, this is absurd coming from Tuger Carlson.
24:25
Speaker 9: The thing about Putin is when he came in in
24:28
Speaker 9: ninety ninety nine, the first thing he did was get
24:30
Speaker 9: rid of the media moguls and they were exiled. Berezovski,
24:36
Speaker 9: who was in the UK, was later murdered. Then he
24:39
Speaker 9: murdered his political opponents like Boris Nemtsov in twenty fifteen
24:44
Speaker 9: and more recently Alexei Navoni. He's murdered something like one
24:49
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy a journalist in Russia. So ah, yeah,
24:55
Speaker 9: definitely not. There's no real opposition left in Russia at
24:59
Speaker 9: the moment. There's just a fig leaf, which is there
25:02
Speaker 9: to fool people that there's some kind of democracy going on.
25:05
Speaker 9: There's nothing going on like that. In fact, I would
25:10
Speaker 9: suggest that people read Peter Pomorensiv's book, which is called
25:13
Speaker 9: Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible, which looks into
25:17
Speaker 9: the way that the media in Russia, which is totally
25:20
Speaker 9: controlled by the state, just manages the situation, manages these
25:24
Speaker 9: fake parties and opposition candidates who aren't real the man
25:29
Speaker 9: is a dictator.
25:32
Speaker 2: Then there was this one that Zelenski is actually so corrupt, Michael,
25:37
Speaker 2: that he is selling American military aid to drug cartels
25:41
Speaker 2: and other criminals. Listen, what he.
25:44
Speaker 10: Has is a lot of needle weapons. And to your
25:47
Speaker 10: second point, he has absolutely, as a matter of fact,
25:51
Speaker 10: the Ukrainian military has sold those weapons on the black
25:55
Speaker 10: market around the world.
25:59
Speaker 2: Now, Michael, when he was pushed there, Tucker Carlson said
26:02
Speaker 2: he had he could give no evidence of his theory
26:05
Speaker 2: apart from an unnamed guy that he refused the name
26:08
Speaker 2: that he said had personally bought weapons from Ukraine on
26:12
Speaker 2: the black market. What do you make of.
26:14
Speaker 9: This, Well, Zelenski was almost killed on the first day
26:21
Speaker 9: of the invasion when the special forces of Russia got
26:26
Speaker 9: into his office and had to be killed in order
26:29
Speaker 9: to protect him and his family. Ukraine as a country
26:34
Speaker 9: was a big weapons producer. It was about eighth in
26:37
Speaker 9: the world in exports even before this war started. Right now,
26:42
Speaker 9: Ukraine is producing about fifty percent of all of its weapons.
26:45
Speaker 9: It's producing four point five million FPV drones this year,
26:49
Speaker 9: three thousand ballistic missiles. This is a country that produces
26:55
Speaker 9: half of all its weaponry. About twenty five percent comes
26:58
Speaker 9: from the EU. The other twenty five percent comes from
27:00
Speaker 9: the US. So they think that just the US weapons
27:05
Speaker 9: are being sent off to Mexico. It's absurd, this, this
27:09
Speaker 9: whole idea.
27:12
Speaker 2: It comes from a misunderstanding. I believe that in fact
27:15
Speaker 2: that America is funding American weapons manufacturers who are living
27:19
Speaker 2: high on the hog with some of the profits there,
27:23
Speaker 2: and Ukraine is actually it's not getting half the weaponry
27:27
Speaker 2: that people are talking about. Well, finally there was anyone
27:31
Speaker 2: to hear even some Okay, just finished with this one.
27:34
Speaker 2: If we're run out of time, this is important, okay.
27:36
Speaker 2: Here even supposed conservatis repeat this one that Russia didn't
27:40
Speaker 2: start this war, Europe did, or Ukraine did, or NATO did.
27:43
Speaker 2: With plans to move run up to Russians Russia's borders
27:47
Speaker 2: with weapons, including in Ukraine. How could poor Pudin not
27:52
Speaker 2: fight back? Have listened.
27:55
Speaker 10: We have a nuclear armed power, largest nuclear arsenal in
27:57
Speaker 10: the world, that is fighting for its very life. That
27:59
Speaker 10: is aligned with China, Okay, which is the largest economy.
28:02
Speaker 10: Russia's concern was that Ukraine remain not part of NEDO.
28:05
Speaker 10: They want to control Ukraine to some extent, it's their
28:08
Speaker 10: neighbor in the same way that we want to control
28:11
Speaker 10: I don't know Canada or Mexico.
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Speaker 2: Michael Ritski.
28:17
Speaker 9: Oh, yes, NATO had nothing to do with this. If
28:22
Speaker 9: NATO hadn't existed, there would have been another alliance of
28:25
Speaker 9: say the Baltic's, Poland and Ukraine, and the invasion and
28:28
Speaker 9: the war probably would have occurred. Still, you know, when
28:33
Speaker 9: NATO expanded into Finland, the Americans, the sorry, the Russians
28:37
Speaker 9: were not concerned. So it's really due to Russian aggression.
28:42
Speaker 9: In fact, in two thousand and three, Putin told his
28:46
Speaker 9: top elite that it was intolerable for Kiev to exist
28:51
Speaker 9: outside of Russia. And his former chief political economic advisor,
29:01
Speaker 9: rather Andre le Riyanov, he heard this and he's been
29:05
Speaker 9: talking about this for years, that NATO has nothing to
29:08
Speaker 9: do with a man that really knew Putin very well
29:12
Speaker 9: that it's all about Russia trying to take Kiev, destroy
29:16
Speaker 9: the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian nation, not just the
29:19
Speaker 9: Ukrainian state. It's a genocide that Putin wants to impose
29:24
Speaker 9: on Ukrainians, and we've seen that in the occupied territories
29:27
Speaker 9: where for example, if the Russian troops come across bibles
29:31
Speaker 9: written in Ukrainian, they are burned. So that's what they
29:35
Speaker 9: want to do. That's the goal that Puttin has. It's
29:37
Speaker 9: nothing to do with NATO. If NATO had been there
29:40
Speaker 9: in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen, this war would not
29:44
Speaker 9: have happened. And in fact, in that time Ukraine was neutral.
29:48
Speaker 9: It was attacked and because of that the Ukrainian Ukrainians
29:53
Speaker 9: went from being sixty percent against NATO to eighty percent.
29:58
Speaker 9: Four You can't blame.
29:59
Speaker 2: Them for that, No, absolutely not. And in fact, the
30:03
Speaker 2: Putin's version of Mine Comfort actually spells it all out,
30:06
Speaker 2: was written about three or four years ago for five
30:09
Speaker 2: years ago, rather where he actually says Ukraine is Russia.
30:13
Speaker 2: That's really his bottom line. After Thank you so much
30:18
Speaker 2: for that, Michael Lauriski. I mean, that was very valuable.
30:21
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Thank you for your time. We
30:23
Speaker 2: only managed to get through half of Tucker Castle's insane
30:26
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories after the break Australia's most remote yacht club
30:31
Speaker 2: threatened by the latest new cultural banned, this time on
30:35
Speaker 2: our biggest lake. Australians in the Voice referendum voted against
30:42
Speaker 2: the new apartheid. Yet last week non Aboriginal Australians were
30:46
Speaker 2: banned from sailing on, or swimming in, or walking around
30:51
Speaker 2: Australia's biggest lake, Lake Air, massive nine thousand, five hundred
30:55
Speaker 2: square in a bit of lake in Inland, South Australia,
30:57
Speaker 2: although only when it rains and then becomes a magnet
31:00
Speaker 2: for wildlife, even pelicans all that way inland, and when
31:03
Speaker 2: it has water, it also attracts tourists and sailors from
31:07
Speaker 2: the lake yacht club, speaking of which joining me is
31:10
Speaker 2: the commodore of this yacht club. Bob back way, Bob,
31:14
Speaker 2: great to see you again. South Australia's Department for Environment
31:18
Speaker 2: and Water is now bound sailing on Lake ere when
31:21
Speaker 2: it's wet, walking on it when it's dry, says the
31:24
Speaker 2: traditional owners consider it sacred and by the way, walking
31:27
Speaker 2: on the sharp salt crystals is dangerous anyway.
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Speaker 8: Your response, well, look, we've been fighting is for fourteen
31:35
Speaker 8: years now, Andrew this shard business. Our members are having
31:40
Speaker 8: a great might be aware that last week on a
31:44
Speaker 8: similar lake in another National park in South Australia, they
31:49
Speaker 8: just had drag racing. I think the salt shards would
31:52
Speaker 8: have flattened their tires. This is just another fabricated story,
32:00
Speaker 8: trying everything they can to keep everybody out of the lake.
32:04
Speaker 8: Since I last spoke to you, there was a revelation
32:09
Speaker 8: in July. I was speaking to a geologist and I
32:12
Speaker 8: asked him, why would anybody be interested in lake air?
32:16
Speaker 8: The geologist said, google lithium and that's the root cause
32:21
Speaker 8: behind this Lake's a full of lithium. There's certain mining
32:25
Speaker 8: companies are very interested in that lithium. What happened is
32:29
Speaker 8: they gave native title to a group who never had
32:33
Speaker 8: native title to the whole lake, and they want to
32:37
Speaker 8: keep them happy by giving them as much money as
32:39
Speaker 8: they can.
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Speaker 2: HP are currently.
32:42
Speaker 8: Spending a fortune building the little village for them in Mari,
32:47
Speaker 8: fencing the lake to keep people out. So much for
32:50
Speaker 8: multicultural society. It's a national park.
32:53
Speaker 2: A national park.
32:54
Speaker 8: As a recreation area where the environment is preserved for
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Speaker 8: your recreational enjoyment. Sailing well.
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Speaker 2: I thought the National Park was for the whole nation Bob,
33:07
Speaker 2: I thought it was for the whole nation, not just
33:09
Speaker 2: for one ethnically defined group. Now we're told this is
33:12
Speaker 2: about safety. I mean that salt shard thing is a
33:16
Speaker 2: complete joke. But they say, look that you know we're
33:20
Speaker 2: looking after you. The lake is incredibly remote. People can
33:24
Speaker 2: get lost, they can get bold, they can die. I
33:27
Speaker 2: had a look and the only such case I can
33:30
Speaker 2: find of in recent history was of one German tourist
33:34
Speaker 2: twenty seven years ago who got bogged on on the lake.
33:37
Speaker 2: But next to it, is this a good enough excuse? Yeah?
33:42
Speaker 8: Well that was actually the coroner's inquest for Carol grossmuel
33:48
Speaker 8: As death is actually on the Lake Eyoch Club website.
33:52
Speaker 8: There were several people involved who were negligent involved with that,
33:58
Speaker 8: but as a result, the national park and most national
34:02
Speaker 8: parks in northern South Australia are closed over summer.
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Speaker 2: We agree with that.
34:07
Speaker 8: It's far too hot to be out there and definitely unsafe,
34:11
Speaker 8: and the parks are just opening about now for this season.
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Speaker 2: So you can easily manage that through what you've just said.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is really phony, Bob. I feel so
34:25
Speaker 2: sorry because it's your culture. Is the yacht club for
34:28
Speaker 2: one that's being affected here. It seems to me we're
34:32
Speaker 2: in a two tier illegal and ethnic tribal sort of
34:36
Speaker 2: setting here. It's just a joke, Bob. That way, strength
34:40
Speaker 2: to your fight, and let's hope you win in the
34:42
Speaker 2: long term. We're determined. I know you are, and I'm
34:48
Speaker 2: looking forward to the long fight and I hope become
34:51
Speaker 2: triumphant after the break. How police, an Australia's top Muslim body,
34:56
Speaker 2: I think, fooled us about attacks on Jewish tagets. They
34:59
Speaker 2: said really ideological, just the gang land scam. I mis
35:07
Speaker 2: led you last week about the caravan found in January
35:11
Speaker 2: Dural with explosive and a list of Jewish targets. You see,
35:16
Speaker 2: I trusted the police story last week when I told
35:19
Speaker 2: you that the caravan incident and forteen other attacks were
35:24
Speaker 2: all really a hoax concocted by a gang leader hoping
35:27
Speaker 2: to get better treatment from police and judges in exchange
35:30
Speaker 2: for information. That bit's true, But they also said it
35:33
Speaker 2: was not really the work of jew haters and Muslims.
35:36
Speaker 2: I believe them when they said Muslims had been unfairly suspected.
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Speaker 5: There was also unwarranted suspicion directed at other communities and
35:45
Speaker 5: that is also reprehensible.
35:48
Speaker 2: Certainly, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils jumped on the
35:52
Speaker 2: idea that Muslims were again the victims and expressed their
35:55
Speaker 2: deep concern over the recent revelations of what had been
35:58
Speaker 2: labeled as anti Submitic attack were in fact orchestrated by
36:02
Speaker 2: organized crime groups and not motivated both racial or religious hatred,
36:07
Speaker 2: and said the situation highlights a disturbing Russia to judgment
36:10
Speaker 2: by political leaders who too quickly attributed these actions to
36:13
Speaker 2: terrorism and antisemitism. So imagine my surprise when the alleged
36:20
Speaker 2: mastermind of this plot turned out to be a Muslim
36:23
Speaker 2: from a Turkish immigrant family really does hate Jews, or
36:27
Speaker 2: at least has posted vile comments about Jews like I
36:30
Speaker 2: have a Jew disorder seek Kile Hitler was only washing Earth.
36:35
Speaker 2: They made him out to be evil, Holocaust denial stuff
36:38
Speaker 2: and more. This man skipped the country after he was
36:41
Speaker 2: charged with importing drugs, joining mister the panel. Siva Javour,
36:44
Speaker 2: an author and senior lecturer in history at Campaign College,
36:47
Speaker 2: A former federal let the Labour INMP Michael Danby, who
36:50
Speaker 2: was chair of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defense
36:54
Speaker 2: and Trade of Michael Damby. I feel misled by police
36:58
Speaker 2: and certainly by the Strian Federation of Islamic Council. This
37:01
Speaker 2: alleged mastermind was some jew hater, and anyone who jumps
37:04
Speaker 2: to the conclusion about just that turns out to be right. Again,
37:07
Speaker 2: what do you make of it?
37:08
Speaker 11: Well, the police minimization of this at that press conference
37:11
Speaker 11: and in other places undermines the public concern about anti
37:16
Speaker 11: Jewish bigotry, and doesn't it come at an interesting time
37:20
Speaker 11: just before a federal election. As a Jewish Australian, I'm
37:23
Speaker 11: really reassured by the fact that this person who did
37:28
Speaker 11: some of these incidents, not all of them, is a
37:31
Speaker 11: Turkish gangster overseas. Just the other day in Sweden, the
37:35
Speaker 11: Swedish police have been arresting criminals in Sweden who orchestrated
37:42
Speaker 11: similar kinds of anti Semitic incidents for the Iranian Secret Service.
37:47
Speaker 11: So I'm not reassured by these reassurances from the police
37:51
Speaker 11: at all. It doesn't deal with the childcare center that
37:54
Speaker 11: was burned down, is that okay? And similarly with the
37:57
Speaker 11: Adas Synagogue here that was burnt down in melvin.
38:02
Speaker 2: Well. I didn't tell you the police ever said it
38:04
Speaker 2: was okay. They said it was terrible and you know,
38:07
Speaker 2: was a problem and had concerned me quite rightly. But
38:12
Speaker 2: I do think, I do think that there was some
38:15
Speaker 2: loose language there. What did you make of it, Stephen.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think one thing I noticed is that when
38:20
Speaker 12: you go to the Australian Federation of Islamic Council's website,
38:25
Speaker 12: you discover that, in fact, the great threat around the world,
38:28
Speaker 12: and the great threat in Australia is Islamophobia. In fact,
38:32
Speaker 12: over the weekend when this particular story of the truth,
38:34
Speaker 12: the full truth of the matter, that this guy is
38:36
Speaker 12: an anti Semite and a Jew hater, around that time,
38:40
Speaker 12: over the weekend, Anthony Alberizi put out a post saying
38:44
Speaker 12: that he condemns all forms of Islamophobia on International Islamophobia
38:49
Speaker 12: Awareness Day. So what we discover is that, no, the
38:54
Speaker 12: real problem in Australia is not anti Semitism, No, it's Islamophobia.
38:58
Speaker 12: Even despite the fact that you know, we have Muslims
39:01
Speaker 12: going over to Lebanon to go to the funeral of
39:04
Speaker 12: Hassan Nasralla. When I drive through my area of Western Sydney,
39:08
Speaker 12: I see terrorist flags on people's cars. The organization Open
39:13
Speaker 12: Doors points out that nine of the ten most persecutory
39:16
Speaker 12: countries against Christians are Muslims. But oh no, the real
39:20
Speaker 12: problem is Islamophobia. We need to you know, we need
39:23
Speaker 12: to wake up and start seeing all these sorts of
39:27
Speaker 12: notions of Islamophobia as total propaganda and attempts to divert
39:31
Speaker 12: us from the fact that there are many Muslims who
39:35
Speaker 12: quite frankly hate Jews, hate Western civilization. Not all, but
39:39
Speaker 12: enough to make it a serious problem.
39:43
Speaker 2: I think we need a very very clear definition of
39:45
Speaker 2: what's his lemmophobia is in an irrational fear of Islam
39:50
Speaker 2: and justified concern for Islam, which I think is being
39:54
Speaker 2: wrapped up in this notion of Islamophobia obsoluntary to Peter Dunton,
39:59
Speaker 2: Michael was today at Melbourne's Adas Synagogue, which you know
40:03
Speaker 2: where we all know it was far bomd Last December,
40:06
Speaker 2: center Liberal government spend thirty five million dollars to get
40:09
Speaker 2: the synagogue rebuilt. Funding the rebuilding of a religious place
40:13
Speaker 2: of worship. I'd normally be against state funds for private faith,
40:17
Speaker 2: but as a sign that Jew hatred cannot be allowed
40:21
Speaker 2: to win, is this funding actually important?
40:24
Speaker 11: I think it is, and Minister Julian Hill is also
40:28
Speaker 11: meeting with a synagogue. I'd like to know what figure
40:30
Speaker 11: he's determined on. So I just think that this is
40:34
Speaker 11: a sign by a civilized country like Australia that this
40:37
Speaker 11: will not stand. And despite the minimization of the police
40:43
Speaker 11: in New South Wales, here's a synagogue that was burnt
40:46
Speaker 11: down while there were worshipers in there early in the morning.
40:49
Speaker 11: They still haven't been caught to perpetrators. We have no
40:52
Speaker 11: sign of progress in.
40:53
Speaker 2: This, Stephen, what do you make of this?
40:59
Speaker 12: Look, I have no problem with the federal government giving
41:01
Speaker 12: some money to the restoration of this synagogue. Thirty five
41:05
Speaker 12: million dollars is a lot of money given the current
41:08
Speaker 12: state of the economy. Look, I honestly think that these
41:11
Speaker 12: kinds of it's a lot of money. And to be honest,
41:15
Speaker 12: I think the real problem here is that it's not
41:17
Speaker 12: addressing the actual problem of what's going on. And I think,
41:21
Speaker 12: you know, we've got to have a proper look at
41:24
Speaker 12: the issue of our immigration system. It's no good rebuilding
41:29
Speaker 12: a synagogue when you have the original problem of what
41:33
Speaker 12: has caused the fire to begin with, and that is
41:34
Speaker 12: Islamic extremism. We've got to really look at that at
41:38
Speaker 12: the federal and the state levels. And another source of
41:42
Speaker 12: due hatred and anti semitism is the universities. We've got
41:46
Speaker 12: lecturers in our university, true who hate Jews, who celebrated.
41:52
Speaker 2: I'm afraid, well, they hate Israel to such an extent
41:56
Speaker 2: that you think, well, is this really a hatred of Israel?
41:58
Speaker 2: Who's a hatred of Jews? You're celebrating Tavera and Michael Danby.
42:04
Speaker 2: I've got to move on. I'm sorry, gentlemen, it's cut
42:07
Speaker 2: you so short. Steve Trevera and Michael Danby, thank you
42:09
Speaker 2: very much for your time. I think thirty five million
42:13
Speaker 2: is a lot, really, and there should be. There are
42:16
Speaker 2: a number of donations already and that should have gone
42:20
Speaker 2: a fair bit more of the way to rebuilding that
42:23
Speaker 2: after the break. The new head of britain Stopped school's
42:25
Speaker 2: watchdog is a Muslim cleric. And no, this is not
42:29
Speaker 2: a joke. Here's another sign of how mass immigration has
42:37
Speaker 2: changed Great Britain. The new instagim chairman of Britain's top
42:41
Speaker 2: body for school standards, Offsteed, is this Muslim cleric, a mufti,
42:47
Speaker 2: Sir Haymard Patel joenerally from London is writer, broadcasting and
42:51
Speaker 2: commentator Esther Crackley. It's great to see you now. Already
42:54
Speaker 2: there's a lot of the predictable criticism and fear of
42:56
Speaker 2: putting Britain's education standards in the hands of a Muslim cleric, etc.
43:00
Speaker 2: And I get all that, but is the story here
43:03
Speaker 2: actually a little more complicated?
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Speaker 7: Well, on the face of.
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Speaker 13: It, it is a little bit more complicated than it seems.
43:09
Speaker 13: So Sahammad Patel is really quite qualified. He's had with
43:13
Speaker 13: fifteen years of experience in running a trust, an education
43:17
Speaker 13: trust that has outstanding schools according to Offsted standards. Many
43:22
Speaker 13: of them are Islamic schools actually, but there are some
43:24
Speaker 13: grammar schools and a Christian school. The real criticism for
43:27
Speaker 13: Sir Hammad comes when he was the head teacher at
43:30
Speaker 13: a Islamic high school in Blackburn here in the UK
43:33
Speaker 13: before twenty ten, before he became the chief executive of
43:36
Speaker 13: the trust that he now runs. Now the criticism that
43:39
Speaker 13: has been leveled is because his school allowed they actually
43:43
Speaker 13: flew over a Saudi cleric in twenty ten that had
43:47
Speaker 13: about five million followers on nine and one of the
43:50
Speaker 13: things that he said to the girls was that he
43:52
Speaker 13: prayed for God to terminate the Jews and called the
43:56
Speaker 13: Jews pigs. And back in twenty thirteen, the Sunday Times
43:59
Speaker 13: interview to Sahammad to ask him why his school allowed
44:02
Speaker 13: this individual to come and speak in the school that
44:05
Speaker 13: he was the head teacher of, and he said, oh,
44:08
Speaker 13: you know, he had a large following online and the
44:10
Speaker 13: girls wanted to see him, so we flew him out,
44:12
Speaker 13: which wasn't satisfactory for many people.
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Speaker 7: And these are the kinds of things that I've come
44:16
Speaker 7: up again.
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Speaker 13: His school that he was the head teacher of, as well,
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Speaker 13: is one of the first schools islam As schools in
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Speaker 13: the country to encourage girls to work hit jobs outside
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Speaker 13: of the schools and to read the Quran publicly at
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Speaker 13: least once a week. So there are questions about whether
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Speaker 13: he will actually entrench certain religious freedoms that could actually
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Speaker 13: calcify certain intolerant views, particularly at a time were antisemitism
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Speaker 13: that is a well time high here in the UK.
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Speaker 13: There are many people saying, actually, is this person going
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Speaker 13: to be neutral and secular and not allow certain warrant
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Speaker 13: views to be profligated in our schools Under the guise
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Speaker 13: of religious tolerance.
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Speaker 7: But we'll have to wait and see. He is very experienced.
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Speaker 13: He's actually one of the few people in education that
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Speaker 13: has mentioned the fact that white working class boys are
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Speaker 13: pretty much at the bottom of the ladder in terms
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Speaker 13: of scholastic attainment.
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Speaker 7: Only about one in seven of white working.
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Speaker 13: Class boys are likely to get a pass their GCSSON
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Speaker 13: mats and English in this country, which is a disgrace.
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Speaker 7: So we'll have to wait and see. But I don't
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Speaker 7: think the.
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Speaker 13: Apprehension is unwarranted given the accusations that have been let
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Speaker 13: all the criticisms that have been leveled against him in
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Speaker 13: the past.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what chance to the Christian bishop would be in
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Speaker 2: charge of state schools. I don't know, there was something.
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Speaker 2: I hope this isn't sounding trivial or something. But Liverpool
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Speaker 2: play Newcastle on the weekend in the final of the
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Speaker 2: Football League Cup and the Liverpool fans again booed the
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Speaker 2: national anthem, God saved the King here reiot. Now, the
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Speaker 2: Liverpool team may be filled with the great Dutch superstars,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of Liverpool is filled with the descendants
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Speaker 2: of Irish Catholics. Is this another multiculturalism file or is
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Speaker 2: it something else.
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Speaker 13: So the official reason why Liverpool fans who have been
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Speaker 13: actually booing the national anthems since the nineteen eighties is
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Speaker 13: that this is a community in England that feels like
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Speaker 13: they have been progressively failed by successive governments, particularly the
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Speaker 13: Conservative government back in the nineteen eighties. And this sentiment
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Speaker 13: was intensified by the Hillsborough disaster when Liverpool played Nottingam
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Speaker 13: for US, where you know, the ninety people were crushed
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Speaker 13: to death because of basically strategic failings by police on
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Speaker 13: the ground. However, there is the element of the fact
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Speaker 13: that many Liverpoolians, many Scouts, are descendants of Irish Catholics,
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Speaker 13: many Irish settlers, and they have a sort of a
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Speaker 13: longstanding a disdain for not only the British government but
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Speaker 13: the British royal family in particular, which goes back to
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Speaker 13: the Irish Potato familine and the British government at the
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Speaker 13: times reaction to that.
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Speaker 7: Now, whether that should be.
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Speaker 13: Kind of carried on into twenty twenty five, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 13: Liverpool has some of the worst kind of statistics in
46:57
Speaker 13: this country when it comes to education, when it comes
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Speaker 13: to single motherhood, Raig, you have some of the highest
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Speaker 13: numbers of young single mothers that are living basically on benefits.
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Speaker 13: So there are a lot of social issues in Liverpool
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Speaker 13: that are not necessarily engineered by the government and has
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Speaker 13: a lot to do with let's say, local communities and
47:13
Speaker 13: their own behavior. So I don't think there's a national
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Speaker 13: sentiment that, oh, you know what, was Liverpool, we should
47:19
Speaker 13: feel sorry for them. I think there is a real
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Speaker 13: conversation about actual social development, but that shouldn't be placed
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Speaker 13: firmly at the feet of the government and as a
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Speaker 13: result booing the national anthem which unifies this whole country.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't It Just also shows you how long
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Speaker 2: and entrenched communal prejudices can be in a sort of
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Speaker 2: multi ethnic, multicultural sort of society. Yes, the correct who
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Speaker 2: always great to talk to you, thank you so much.
47:47
Speaker 2: And one last thing, well what a weekend I've had.
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Speaker 2: This is explains by my columns who winning the paper today.
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Speaker 2: My eldest Scott, married the first wedding in my family
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Speaker 2: and I have to say it was just wonderful. You know,
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Speaker 2: you hope for this, but it was a real celebration
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Speaker 2: of love and joy. I don't think I've ever been
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Speaker 2: to a more joyful wedding. Thank god it was my
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Speaker 2: own sons and our daughter in laws. And I was
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Speaker 2: thinking that, you know how many I've remember dropping my
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Speaker 2: son off to the airport to move from Melbourne to Sydney,
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Speaker 2: and he looked a bit lonely, and thank god he
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Speaker 2: met Brie very quickly. But I thinking all the other
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Speaker 2: journeys that made my own parents all the way from Holland,
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Speaker 2: and my wife's ancestors from Ireland, how they all so
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Speaker 2: traveled in hope and expectation, maybe a little apprehension, and
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Speaker 2: Bree's family from England and from China that some walked
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Speaker 2: across from the coast in South Australia to the goldfields
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Speaker 2: and Benneo so's they think, and it all culminated this day,
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Speaker 2: fantastic day. That's it from me, Sherry Marxon coming up. Goodbye,