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Finding New Waters Podcast | Rick Hubbard on Being the Call People Make in Crisis · Finding New Waters

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  I had lost everything that was dear to me, my, my career, my
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  family, my dignity and self respect.
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  And I ended up in the treatment center thinking that my life was
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  over. And you know, by the grace of
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  God, I, I, I was asked to about a year after I left and I stayed
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  in West TX for a while in transitional housing and I was
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  asked to come to work for the treatment center that I had
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  gotten help at. All right.
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  Welcome back everybody to another episode of Finding New
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  Waters. My name is Bea Reeves.
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  I'm the Director of Business Development here at New Waters
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  Recovery in Raleigh, sitting here with our CEO, Justin
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  McClendon. Special guest today, Rick
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  Hubbard down in Fort Worth with Constellations Behavioral
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  Health. Welcome, Rick.
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  Thank you for having me, it's good to see your face.
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  It's good to see your face. Yeah.
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  So, Rick, I will ask you in a minute just kind of what you do.
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  But I know that you've been in our field for a while and one of
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  the most respected people and been around.
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  And will you just give us a little bit of a, you know,
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  chronology of how you got into the field and where you been and
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  what you do now, I guess is the best way to ask it in one big
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  chunk. Wow, a long story and I'm not
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  sure we have enough time to tell the whole story, but I'll give
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  you the short version. So I I previously worked in the
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  retail banking business and I did that for many years,
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  originally started in that work in 1976.
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  So it was a long, long time ago, You know, my life was
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  progressing in a way that I thought was fairly steady and
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  stable. There was a lot of other stuff
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  going on in my personal life during that time, but
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  professionally I was doing quite well.
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  And then in the late 90s life changed and it took a detour and
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  found myself in a treatment center out in West, TX.
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  I have lost everything that was dear to me, my, my career,
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  family, my dignity and self respect.
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  And I ended up in this treatment center thinking that my life was
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  over. And you know, by the grace of
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  God, I, I, I was asked to about a year after I left and I stayed
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  in West, TX for a while in transitional housing and I was
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  asked to come to work for the treatment center that I had
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  gotten held that. And you know that that that
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  proved to be one of the greatest gifts that I've been given in my
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  life. I started that work.
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  I started the work that I'm doing now in 2002.
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  And, and that has been to help others find a way out of this,
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  the ditch that I was in. And so my job essentially has
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  been for the past 23, almost 24 years, connecting professionals
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  and families and individuals to the help that they need.
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  Yeah. I get a lot of phone calls about
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  a lot of different services. Most of those calls are for
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  services that I refer out to others.
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  And so I've been fortunate to be able to do that and work with
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  some great people and including Justin.
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  Justin and I work together. So if you know that I'll be.
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  I did. Yeah.
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  OK. All right.
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  All right. Oh yeah.
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  Well, I love that. And the thing you sort of closed
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  with there is that you get a lot of calls for services you don't
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  provide or the, or the, you know, the company you represent
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  doesn't provide. And that's one of the great
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  gifts of my own recovery and working in this field is being
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  able to say, Hey, hey, hey, like before you go look in yourself
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  and Googling everywhere, please let me let me connect you with
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  some people because you know, I guess buying a house, buying a
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  car, doing anything there, There's a little bit of that.
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  But with this, for some reason, this treatment world is such AI
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  guess unregulated is the right word.
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  But it is a dangerous place being not having any guidance,
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  just trying to figure this out for for oneself or one's loved
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  one and having people like Rick and Justin and hopefully people
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  would think that about me being able to help guide them.
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  And just, you know, like you said, usually not going to be,
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  you know, new waters are in your case 1 of constellations.
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  But just having those resources across the country and the world
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  to be able to help guide people is a, is a beautiful thing to be
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  able to do. Yeah.
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  It's working out. Together, Hanley.
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  Yeah, Hanley, back when, you know, I don't know if we should
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  use names and all that stuff, but during the origins era, I
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  guess, yeah, Rick and I had the the pleasure of working together
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  and I think very, very highly of Rick.
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  Very respect who you are and and the work that you do man, that's
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  for sure. Thank you.
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  Likewise, my friend. Well, I mean, I've never heard
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  anything but that from people in our field.
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  So, and I'm glad you were, you know, you just told us, you
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  know, your birthday or your your age, don't look it, but 71 still
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  out there, man, it's awesome. Yeah, I, you know, I, I have a
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  hard time believing that I'm that old, you know, for a couple
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  of reasons. You know, I, I, I never
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  envisioned myself being this age considering that my past, you
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  know, even though I had accomplished some things when I
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  was in the finance business, I, I didn't see a really, really
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  long runway for my life based on how I was living.
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  I was living life in the fast way and did a lot of partying
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  and of course work that I was doing kind of it lended itself
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  to that lifestyle and even though it I thought it was, I
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  thought it was having a great time.
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  And I guess to some degree I was periodically, but I never saw
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  that it was something that was going to be sustainable into my
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  70s. I thought it would probably, I
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  didn't probably check out in my 40s and 50s, you know, as an old
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  guy, you know, it is back then I thought 40s and 50s you were,
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  you were an old guy. And, and, and now I, I think
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  maybe 90 to 100 is an old guy. 70 is not an old guy.
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  I go to the gym every day. I have most of my own teeth.
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  I'm married to a woman that's 15 years younger than I am, and she
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  keeps coming back every day, one day at a time.
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  And so you know, I'm doing something right now.
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  That's awesome. Man, that's awesome.
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  I, it's on that note. We, we've got a guy right now, a
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  guy I went to college with coming to new waters.
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  I hadn't seen this guy in, since 1997.
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  And we got connected and he, he said this, he meant it, but he
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  was also being funny because honestly, man, I thought you
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  were dead. And I was like, you know, I kind
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  of thought the same thing about you.
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  But here we are. That is, you know, that 15 years
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  you're a junior and she keeps coming back.
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  And I assume you don't have to say keep coming back to your
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  wife. She just, she comes back of her
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  own accord, right? She she does and and and you
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  know, and and I'm and I'm not, I'm not rich.
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  So it's not, you're not coming back for the money.
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  But you know, I, I've tried to, you know, I've tried to live,
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  I've tried, I've tried to live a, a, a righteous life.
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  You know, I've spent so much in my life on the other side of the
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  Ledger, so to speak, that, you know, I, I can see the benefits
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  of living this way of life far beyond the, you know, the
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  physical. But when I look at the emotional
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  and spiritual benefits, it's, it leads me to make statements like
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  this is the best life I've ever lived.
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  I'm living the best. You know, people say that and
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  sounds cliche but it is literally the truth in my life.
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  You know, I'm, I'm, I'm far from being perfect, but I found a
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  path to Wellness and health that helps me accept who I am,
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  acknowledge who I am, try to maximize the good stuff and
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  minimize the other stuff through a process.
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  And quite frankly, I'm not ashamed to say it's, it's 12
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  step, it's the 12 step process. I'm a disciple of the 12 steps,
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  12 step process. It has been the means by which I
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  have found this new way of life. And it's something that I'm
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  regularly engaged in. And it has nothing to do with
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  drugs and alcohol. It has to do with, you know,
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  just trying to be a better human.
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  Yeah, Amen to that, I hear. You well, you know something
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  people, most people don't know and even sometimes even people
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  who are in 12 step recovery takes them a little while to
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  realize that, that, you know, the only time alcohol is
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  mentioned is in the first half of the first step.
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  It's all about how to live. And we just did a podcast
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  earlier with some guys doing the NA historians.
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  It was very interesting and there's something that just is
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  usually lost on people, especially people who are not,
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  don't have any experience with any kind of 12 step recovery
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  that think it is just like how to not drink or how to not use,
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  but just how to how to live life, life on life on life's
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  term. That's right man, I got.
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  A question for you. So you started in this field in
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  2002 and, you know, you and I work in the same realm, at
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  least. I don't know if your whole
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  career has been like that. And, and, you know, business
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  development and outreach, lots of travel and lots of, lots of
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  what we talked about a second ago, connecting people, whether
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  it's a personal friend or, you know, hey, Rick, I, you know, a
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  place in, you know, West, TX that, you know, serves, you
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  know, women 18 to 20, whatever it is, whatever the request is.
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  And it's so much about sending text messages and connections
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  like that. Like, will you just talk about
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  how, what it's been, what it was like working in those early days
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  for you in 2002 versus now, Just like how, the, how technology
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  has changed and how like, how did you do that kind of stuff
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  2324 years ago? That's.
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  A very good question, you know. So I started in this work early
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  enough to remember using Mapscos.
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  You know what a Mapsco is? BI.
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  Don't. OK.
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  Most, most people of your generation don't know what a
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  Mapsco is. A Mapsco is is what is our
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  version of Agps today. So what we do with our phones by
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  plugging in an address and our phones and our devices tell us
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  exactly where to go. They speak to us and tell us
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  where to go. This was a book of maps that if
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  I wanted an address or I would plug in, I would just, you know,
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  find a there was maps with a grid and I could find a map in
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  any city. I would have to have that maps
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  go for that particular city. Like if I went to Lubbock, TX,
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  I'd find a maps go for Lubbock, TX and if I needed to go to 28 O
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  1 Jones St. I could find on that map.
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  How to get to 2801 Jones through.
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  Yeah, I couldn't do that while I was driving, obviously.
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  So I would stop, you know, a strategy to get to 2801 Jones
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  through. And so, you know, cell phone use
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  was even though it was, it was common, but you know, the
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  capabilities of cellular technology at the time, those
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  capabilities were very limited. But you know, a lot of my work
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  was limited to phone calls with practitioners and, and families.
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  You know, I, I, I developed a habit of answering my phone no
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  matter what time of day it was. It's, it's not the greatest
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  habit, especially if you're married.
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  But answering my phone no matter what time of the day, it because
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  I never knew if somebody was in a crisis that needed help.
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  I know that the nature of the disease that we work with does
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  not take PTO. If I'm at a funeral or a wedding
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  or whatever I'm doing, if that phone rings, there's a chance
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  that there's somebody else on the other end that is in crisis
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  that needs help. And when I said that, you know,
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  God, you know, saved me and pulled me up out of a ditch, you
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  know, he didn't do that so that I could schedule how I'm going
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  to do the work that he has charged me to do.
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  If the phone rings, I answer the phone.
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  So early on, I developed this, this commitment to being
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  available whenever I was needed. And what that it did then it, it
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  gave the impression to a lot of other people that, hey, if we
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  need help, no matter what it is, if I call this guy, if he can't
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  help me, he's going to point me in the direction of where I can
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  find that hell, no matter when that is.
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  And so over a few years, I kind of developed that reputation
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  mostly in Texas. But then as you know, my world
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  expanded. It became, you know, kind of a
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  national thing and the more traveling that I did on
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  business, that network expanded. And so that was how it started
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  for me. It is largely what I still do.
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  I've been, you know, I've done a lot of work.
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  I've worked at missions utilization review, you know,
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  billing at collections. I've done a lot of stuff and and
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  I've been offered positions to do a lot of stuff and I still
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  get, you know, phone calls and inquiries.
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  Hey, we meet somebody for COOCEO this and that and that and this
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  I'm it's not what that's not what God's sake make sure of
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  that, because that takes me away from that 1:00 in the morning,
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  2:00 in the morning, phone call it.
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  You know, I get distracted like that.
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  I'm, I'm, I am moving further away from my primary purpose and
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  closer to death because I believe that when I'm no longer
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  purposeful in that way, there's no longer necessary for me to be
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  here, I believe. Now, yeah, I loved, I loved
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  everything you just said, but I needed to hear that because
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  sometimes I, you know, I can get annoyed sometimes and say, oh
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  man, they why does any people only want to seem to want help
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  on New Year's Day, Christmas Eve?
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  You know, when I've, I've been at weddings, funerals, it's
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  like, can't they just call me at 10 AM on a Monday?
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  And it's just but, but you know, it takes me about 5 seconds to
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  realize this is the nature of, of, of what, what this disease
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  is. This disease does not look at
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  calendars and, and take PTO. You're absolutely right and and
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  I always want to be there, you know, the same way I.
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  Used to say it's the work that we've chosen, but it's really
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  the work that we've been chosen to do, yeah.
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  And I'm with you on that 100%, Rick, because, you know, I think
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  we all contemplate that from time to time.
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  And and like you said, you know, there's other, you know,
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  potential opportunities that sometimes present their self and
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  things like that. And at least I can only speak
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  for myself at the end of the day.
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  I don't really know if I, if I didn't work in this field, I
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  really don't know what else I could do or would do, you know,
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  And as being a therapist, I've, you know, I've dabbled and, you
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  know, some outpatient stuff and like have always been very
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  quickly been reminded that like, no, that's this is what I'm
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  supposed to be doing right here. Right here is what I'm supposed
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  to be doing. And, and I agree, I appreciate
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  what you're saying about the foam because in our field, you
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  know, I think there's a lot of buzz, which is, you know, it's a
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  good thing. It's not a bad thing about
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  boundaries and maintaining good boundaries and things like that.
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  And I think sometimes that pendulum swings in the direction
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  of rigidity and making sure that we are not flexible with our
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  time. And and I couldn't agree with
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  you more, Rick, that, you know, the disease of addiction doesn't
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  sleep. It doesn't take PTOI love how
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  you said that. And if the phone rings, right,
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  it's not that we have to answer the phone, that's we get to
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  answer the phone, right? Like, thank God that this person
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  that is on the other end that's trying to get a hold of me has
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  the trust that me and my organization is going to be able
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  to help them in this time of need.
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  And, and how dare I not attend to that in that moment.
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  I think, you know, at least again, that's my belief.
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  So I'm, so I'm, I'm with you on that 100%.
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  Yeah, the best advice I got. So when I first started in the
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  field, I don't remember who the, I don't remember who told me
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  either of these things, But the first was don't let this be my
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  recovery. And I try to stick to that very
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  I'm very careful about that. And then the other thing was
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  always answer the phone, you know, and, and you know, even if
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  I did say, you know what, I'm not going to get that call,
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  then, then all I'm going to do is think about how I didn't get
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  that call and I'd haven't responded yet.
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  So it's just like with everything else that's in front
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  of me, just take care of it. It's in front of me.
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  Just take care of it. For sure.
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  I wanted to ask you, we'll talk about what you do day-to-day,
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  but I want there's a, a recent piece of your, of your story
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  that you were kind. Just share, you know, with me
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  about recently and it's really powerful, interesting
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  development in your life with a member of your family basically
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  you didn't know existed. Would you mind sharing that with
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  us? I don't, not at all.
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  It's, it's, it's a pretty, it's a pretty heavy story, especially
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  at the stage of my life in which it occurred.
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  So a little bit less than three years ago, two years and nine
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  months ago, I discovered that I have a son.
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  Now I have a daughter that that that we, her mom and I raised,
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  you know, and for all of her life, she thought she was an
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  only child. We thought she was an only
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  child. And just by chance this we made
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  this discovery about my son. I was at a funeral.
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  A friend of mine, a social worker in Fort Worth, had passed
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  away and my wife, my current wife and I.
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  Did I say that properly or should I just say my wife and I?
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  My current wife implies that she may not be the last wife
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  doesn't. And you can edit that if you
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  need to. But Sylvia and I went to that
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  funeral and and I discovered during that funeral, reading the
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  obituary that that my friend has a half sister and a half sister
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  was somebody that I knew as a teenager.
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  And what I didn't know is that she had gotten pregnant and, you
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  know, back we were talking about back in the, you know, like
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  691969, she got a pregnant and during that time, you know, a
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  teenage girl getting pregnant and was a source of huge source
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  of shame for the family. So she was whispered away.
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  I later found out she was whispered by the had a baby and
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  then and then eventually put the baby up for adoption.
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  And I had no idea. So just by having a random
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  conversation after the funeral in the church with some people
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  that I grew up with. That conversation led to some
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  other conversations, which led to me getting a phone call one
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  night in May of 2023. I was in New York and it was a
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  friend, a mutual friend who said to me, hey, you know, I talked
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  to my sister about your, your conversation at the church given
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  the funeral. And she says, you know, I don't
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  know if you know it, but I'm really close friends with this
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  guy and and I'm known him most of my life.
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  I've known you all my life. And she said, now that I've made
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  this connection between you and his father, I believe, yeah, or
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  I'm sorry, now that I've made the connection between you and
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  his mother, I believe you're his father.
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  And it just kind of threw me for a huge loop.
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  And she and I, then I said, well, you know what, what, what
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  makes you think that? And she said, well, you know,
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  when I, when I hear your voice, I hear his voice when I, when I
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  look at you, now that I've made this connection, when I see him,
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  I see you. And, and I've shared that with
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  him and he wants to know if you'll do a paternity test.
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  And, you know, it was at the time I, I was 68 and so, and,
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  and, and my life was kind of going like this, you know,
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  actually was a very slow descent, kind of like a plan, a
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  plane coming in for a landing. And I was thinking, OK, we're
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  going to come in for a smooth landing.
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  And then, you know, we'll be playing and it'll be time, It'll
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  be all over, you know, but that's not the plan God had for
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  me because that, that descent got a little bumpy.
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  And, and so I agreed to, I agreed to, I agreed to do a
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  paternity test. I looked around and searched for
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  legal paternity tests. And when you do that, you go
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  into a lab and they, they take your fingerprints, they take
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  photos, 2 forms of ID. It's a big thing.
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  And I just, I thought, I don't, I don't want to do all that.
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  But I went on Google and found that, you know, you can get at
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  home paternity test on Amazon. And so I ordered a test and I
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  got the packet the next day and provided ADNA sample and told
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  our mutual friend, I have this sample, you can take it.
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  I've already paid for it. You can give it to him.
• 22:41
  All he has to do is register it by scanning the QR code and send
• 22:46
  it in. And he can do that and keep it
• 22:49
  confidential. We can share it, but it's his,
• 22:52
  it's for him. A week or so after that she
• 22:55
  calls and says, hey, he knows to he wants to know if he will meet
• 23:00
  with it. And I said, well, to the test
• 23:02
  results. And she said, well, he does when
• 23:05
  I don't know what they are. And I said, well, sure, I'll
• 23:08
  meet with him. But at the time we had house
• 23:10
  guests, Sylvia had friends in from Florida.
• 23:13
  It was Memorial Day weekend and and I said, if we're going to do
• 23:19
  this, we need to do it now because I'm not going to do this
• 23:21
  in front of people. So half hour labor or so, this
• 23:25
  big SUV pulls up and a guy gets out, not him, but this guy gets
• 23:30
  out and he comes to my door and he's asking me to sign a
• 23:33
  release. And I said, what is this for?
• 23:36
  He says, well, you know, we've been asked to get you to sign
• 23:39
  this release to document your meeting.
• 23:43
  And I said, well, I'm not doing that.
• 23:45
  And you know, and you know, I was terrified.
• 23:50
  And so the guy says, well, there's nothing harmful.
• 23:52
  I said, but I'm just not going to do it.
• 23:54
  And so I so they left 1520 minutes later they come back and
• 24:00
  the guy says, well, you know, we've talked about it.
• 24:02
  And he really, you know, he really wants to meet you.
• 24:05
  And I said, so we're not going to meet unless I sign this.
• 24:09
  And he says he's been advised to get this release sign so we can
• 24:14
  video and videotape the meeting and document the meeting.
• 24:17
  But it's nothing that's got to be harmful.
• 24:20
  And I had, while they were gone, I had called try to get my
• 24:22
  brother on the phone who's kind of my, you know, spiritual
• 24:26
  guide. And, you know, he's seven years
• 24:28
  older. And he was my Hebrew couldn't
• 24:31
  get him on the phone. It was on Friday evening about
• 24:33
  6:00. I mean, it was no, I couldn't
• 24:35
  get any. And so I went ahead and signed
• 24:39
  it. And, and so the guy goes back
• 24:42
  down to the car and he comes back and he's got he's got the
• 24:47
  guy and another guy with a camera.
• 24:49
  And these guys come into my house and I introduce myself.
• 24:53
  I said, yeah, I'm Rick Hubbard. He says, yeah, I'm Kirk
• 24:55
  Franklin. And I said, yeah, I know who you
• 24:58
  are. And he says, you know who I am.
• 25:00
  And I said, yeah, we've met before, actually.
• 25:03
  And, and, and the reason I knew who he is is that he's he's kind
• 25:07
  of a famous. Yeah, he has won 20 Grammys.
• 25:12
  He is a Christian gospel artist, singer-songwriter, more
• 25:18
  songwriter and musician than singer.
• 25:20
  But he, he's a big deal. And I knew he was a big deal
• 25:25
  because I knew he was a big deal.
• 25:27
  I just didn't know how big a deal he was.
• 25:29
  And I'm still discovering how big a deal.
• 25:32
  But I don't know. Flight to Los Angeles 3 or 4
• 25:35
  years before that I had met him, I introduced myself to and and
• 25:41
  was I'm sick. I'm sitting on the on the plane
• 25:45
  he comes and he boards and he sits right across from me and
• 25:48
  now reaching over and introduce myself to me.
• 25:51
  And so anyways, it's a crazy story that that YouTube video, I
• 25:57
  mean that that video became a YouTube video that's now been
• 26:01
  seen by three or 4 million people.
• 26:04
  I didn't, you know, I didn't know that's what what we were
• 26:06
  doing. But you know that I've gotten so
• 26:08
  much feedback from that from people who have similar stories
• 26:13
  or who know people that have a similar story.
• 26:17
  I didn't know how big a thing that was.
• 26:19
  But with my generation, especially with 23andMe and
• 26:26
  ancestry.com and those kinds of platforms, there's a lot of this
• 26:31
  kind of information that's being revealed, what people are
• 26:33
  finding siblings and parents, and it's a whole thing.
• 26:37
  And so it's been a crazy story, but it is dramatically changed
• 26:43
  my life at a time in my life when I thought everything was.
• 26:47
  And so I knew that there was a reason for it from God's, you
• 26:53
  know, perspective that God had a reason for doing it now instead
• 26:59
  of 2530 years ago. And certainly 30 years ago would
• 27:03
  not have been the most ideal time because I was not the guy
• 27:06
  then than I am today. And I'm grateful for that.
• 27:10
  I'm grateful that he was not subjected to what I subjected my
• 27:15
  daughter and her mother to. We talked about.
• 27:19
  Perspective, man. Yeah, that is absolutely
• 27:23
  amazing. Yeah, only somebody in recovery
• 27:26
  I think would would say and not only see whether they see it or
• 27:31
  not, but to say it out loud is, is amazing.
• 27:35
  It's been a, it's been a fascinating journey.
• 27:38
  And, and he had had, he and I have a, a great relationship.
• 27:42
  He travels a lot, I travel a lot.
• 27:45
  We try to, you know, spend as much time as we can connected,
• 27:52
  you know, through regular phone calls.
• 27:54
  And, you know, he has four children.
• 27:57
  So overnight, I became a granddad, you know, my daughter
• 28:01
  Lauren. Lauren and Lauren Lauren's a big
• 28:02
  deal. Lauren's AVP at Goldman Sachs,
• 28:05
  she's 40. That's a big deal.
• 28:08
  And, you know, she says, well, Dad, now that you have
• 28:11
  grandkids, I guess that lets me off the hook.
• 28:13
  And I said no, it doesn't actually, because they're all
• 28:15
  fun. So you're still on the hook for
• 28:18
  babies. But, you know, my life has been
• 28:22
  blast, man, beyond measure, and I am.
• 28:26
  I'm living a very rich life. And we're not talking about
• 28:31
  material things. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Man, thank you for sharing that. Yeah, that's.
• 28:36
  Amazing. That is absolutely amazing,
• 28:38
  Rick. I mean literally a once in a
• 28:40
  lifetime type situation right there.
• 28:42
  Ma'am, it is it. Is cool I joke around with both
• 28:46
  of them that hey I guess I'm going to have to get a part time
• 28:48
  job man to take care of all these kids.
• 28:52
  How's the relationship with the So the grandkids are, They're
• 28:54
  already grown, you said? Yeah.
• 28:56
  Yeah, they are 25. No, yeah, this is new 20252835
• 29:09
  and 37. OK.
• 29:11
  That's amazing. Very.
• 29:13
  Cool. Yeah, Very cool.
• 29:15
  Yeah, I. Think I have that right?
• 29:16
  I've got birth dates on my phone.
• 29:18
  I have to keep it in my phone so I can remember who's what.
• 29:22
  Well, that thank you for because I'd heard bits and pieces of it.
• 29:25
  You were kind enough to share that with me a while ago.
• 29:27
  But it was one of those things where we were at a conference
• 29:29
  and people were, you know, coming up to us every, you know.
• 29:31
  And so I had to hear it all in one fell swoop.
• 29:33
  Is is amazing to get the whole chronology in one, you know, 1
• 29:37
  sitting. Well, while we're here, tell us
• 29:40
  about what you currently do now. And, you know, we know what you
• 29:43
  do, but tell us and tell our listeners what you do in the
• 29:45
  treatment centers you represent. Yeah.
• 29:47
  So, you know, after that treatment center out in West, TX
• 29:52
  and I worked there for three years, I left and moved to
• 29:55
  Florida because that's, you know, where she was.
• 30:01
  You know, Sylvia, I met her in Austin at a conference and, you
• 30:05
  know, we got engaged and got married in 2006.
• 30:08
  Well, the year before I moved to Florida and went to work for
• 30:15
  another treatment Center for a real brief period of time.
• 30:18
  And it was a culture that I could not, I just couldn't, I
• 30:22
  refused to work within that culture.
• 30:24
  And it was a world that I'd never been exposed to from a
• 30:27
  business development perspective.
• 30:29
  You know, they were, it was kind of the I was exposed to the
• 30:33
  underbelly and, you know, not bad people, just the way
• 30:40
  business was being done was not something that I was accustomed
• 30:44
  to coming from a little town in West TX.
• 30:47
  And, and so I was fortunate enough to get my old job back at
• 30:53
  that facility. But I was able to move and live
• 30:56
  wherever, you know, they agreed to let me live wherever.
• 30:59
  I didn't have to move back to West TX to get that job.
• 31:02
  So I'm, I left Florida, see me and I got married in 2006.
• 31:07
  I moved right away. She waited until her kids had
• 31:12
  graduated from her youngest was still in high school when she
• 31:17
  moved in 2007. And so I worked at that
• 31:20
  treatment center up until 2012, which worked for Origins and was
• 31:26
  at Origins for 11 years. And during that period of time,
• 31:34
  we had acquired the Hanley Center in West Palm Beach.
• 31:37
  And that's where I, I got the 2. I had the chance to work with
• 31:41
  Justin. And so that work, and during all
• 31:45
  that time, it's been the same work.
• 31:46
  Now my title has changed and I've been given a little bit
• 31:49
  more responsibility for this thing or that thing, but
• 31:52
  essentially it has been, you know, focused 100% on outreach.
• 31:59
  You know, we, I call it professional relations because,
• 32:01
  you know, we connect our centers, our facilities to
• 32:06
  professionals who have clients that may have a need for our
• 32:11
  services and in it not our services, services similar to
• 32:15
  ours that may fit their specific meat.
• 32:19
  And, you know, in doing that work, I've had the, I've had the
• 32:24
  good fortune of being able to connect with people all over the
• 32:27
  country, all over the world actually, because I've had, you
• 32:31
  know, my, my, my wife is from West London and her family lives
• 32:35
  there. So whenever we would travel to
• 32:38
  London to visit family, I would always find ways to connect with
• 32:41
  my tribe in, in the UK. And so they're a therapist and
• 32:45
  recovery coaches and interventionists and, you know,
• 32:49
  psychiatrists all over the UK and other parts of Europe that I
• 32:55
  got connected to in, you know, in doing this work.
• 32:59
  And so that that network and that that reach has been pretty
• 33:05
  broad. I'm going to work at
• 33:08
  Constellation in September of 2023.
• 33:11
  And that was after the owners of Origins decided that they wanted
• 33:15
  to sell. And I helped to, you know,
• 33:21
  transition that that transaction.
• 33:27
  And I, I agreed to stay for a while, but I knew it was time
• 33:30
  for me to move on when, when the owners, you know, decided
• 33:35
  they're going to sell. And and so I had to get fortune
• 33:39
  of going to work for consolation in September of 2023.
• 33:43
  And the work has been to say, you know, fundamentally it has
• 33:48
  stayed the same. I, I just don't see myself doing
• 33:51
  really anything else. I know a lot of things about a
• 33:55
  lot of things related to this work, But what really gets me up
• 33:59
  at 5:00 AM and drives me is being a resource to those who
• 34:05
  are sick and suffering. And that's that's the only work
• 34:09
  I intend to do. Awesome, well thank you for
• 34:13
  sharing all that and we're fans. We you know, I say this till I'm
• 34:17
  blue in the face and to the annoyance of some of my
• 34:20
  colleagues and Co workers that we only want to work with
• 34:24
  people, places and providers we like know and trust.
• 34:27
  And y'all are certainly one of them as evidence as some recent
• 34:29
  stuff. So while we got just a minute
• 34:32
  left, we just we're going to put all your information you
• 34:35
  provided, you know, on the YouTube channel for this episode
• 34:40
  plus, you know, wherever we post this podcast.
• 34:43
  But how do people find you? Rick Hubbard and consolation and
• 34:47
  Sarah, if you're ready to share that.
• 34:50
  Well, yeah, I mean, my, you know, my, my cell phone number
• 34:54
  has been the same for 24 years. And I I, you know, do you want
• 34:59
  me to share that right now? Yeah, if you.
• 35:01
  Want to that number? Is that number is 817-507-5615,
• 35:10
  That's my cell phone number and I generally answer that phone
• 35:13
  but agrees my e-mail address is r.hubbardhubbarbr.hubbard@constellationbh.com.
• 35:27
  Awesome and thank you. Thank you.
• 35:32
  Thank you for giving me the opportunity to visit with you
• 35:35
  guys. Yeah, likewise.
• 35:37
  Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thank.
• 35:39
  You for coming on and thank you for being, you know, somebody
• 35:41
  I've looked up to since I started working in the field and
• 35:43
  just I'm always glad to see you always got to talk to you and
• 35:46
  you, you know, you helped. I know you, you know, you've
• 35:49
  helped a lot of people, you know, getting treatment and I
• 35:51
  know you've know you've helped people in this field, but you've
• 35:53
  helped me more than you know, to just about being who you are.
• 35:56
  So thank you so much. Thank you.
• 35:57
  Really thank you. I really appreciate it.
• 36:00
  If you liked what you heard today or just want to know more,
• 36:03
  give us a call on 9196708119 or visit us at
• 36:08
  newwatersrecovery.com. Thank you.