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Jeff Pastor - 5 years later . . . . · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Seven twenty nine on a Tuesday, and Happy Tuesday to
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Speaker 1: you Veterans day. Let's remember the American veteran and thank
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Speaker 1: each and every one of them you encountered. Day and
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Speaker 1: throughout the years, I always try to do salute the
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Speaker 1: American veteran and again and to my late father, today
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Speaker 1: is his birthday, So happy heavenly birthday to my dad.
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Speaker 1: Still miss him and of course I always will. And
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Speaker 1: someone I haven't seen in quite a few years in studio,
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Speaker 1: former counselman, Jeffrey Pastor, Jeffrey Man, it is good to
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Speaker 1: see you today. I've inspired everything that happens. It's you know,
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Speaker 1: I wish you well in the future, and I'll probably
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Speaker 1: say something to that effect, and we'll find out where
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Speaker 1: you're planning what you're planning on doing in the future.
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Speaker 1: But of course you went through a few legal challenges.
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Speaker 1: FBI set you up, and you, of course were you
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Speaker 1: had to plead guilty to accepting some money in return
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Speaker 1: for favors. Thinking like PG sitting fell right and PG
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Speaker 1: is I believe it was yesterday has asked the the
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice Act asked you a Supreme Court to
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Speaker 1: throw out his convictions and apparently local procecus. Everybody's now saying,
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Speaker 1: just get rid of it. He got his pardon from
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Let's give him his forty thousand dollars back,
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Speaker 1: and everybody, let's move on with our lives. That's where
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Speaker 1: PG finds himself today. And I presume since everybody is
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Speaker 1: aligned on that side of the relief that's being requested,
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Speaker 1: no one's standing in opposition to it. He's gonna get
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Speaker 1: what he wants, and I imagine that's what you're looking
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Speaker 1: for as well.
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Speaker 2: It's good to have you in, Jeffrey Pastor.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Brian for having me again. Happy birthday
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Speaker 3: to your dad.
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Speaker 2: Thanks man.
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Speaker 3: Happy Veterans Day.
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Speaker 4: You know I served in the United States military. Lets
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Speaker 4: the listeners forgot so all the veterans who will served,
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Speaker 4: Happy Veterans Day to them. And to your point, I'm
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Speaker 4: happy for PG. I believe it's the right move. And
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Speaker 4: of course I also on the news as you saw,
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Speaker 4: Yes they do on Channel nine. AM up for a
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Speaker 4: part and I requested a part in that sort of thing.
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Speaker 4: Part two will come out tonight. And my thoughts about
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Speaker 4: the city of Cincinnati. But you know, you know, we're
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Speaker 4: not here to relitigate the past. It is what I
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Speaker 4: try to tell people now that I'm out. You know,
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Speaker 4: I've stayed in you know, relative silence for up until yesterday,
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Speaker 4: five years ago to the day that you know that
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Speaker 4: the Feds picked me up. And so, you know, Americans
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Speaker 4: built on redemption stories. You know, you can't judge a
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Speaker 4: person based off their ashes, and you know, for what
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Speaker 4: it's worth, you know, like PG and like others, I've
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Speaker 4: never been in trouble with the law until I got
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Speaker 4: elected to city council. So you know, I've apologized for
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Speaker 4: my mistakes. I've served by time at the federal prison
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Speaker 4: camp down there at Ashland, terrible, terrible time to be
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Speaker 4: away from my family. Never been away from my family
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Speaker 4: in my entire life. And so for my wife to
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Speaker 4: have to endure that, for the city of Cincinnati to
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Speaker 4: have to endure that, you know, it was time for
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Speaker 4: me to take responsibility. But that's not where the story is.
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Speaker 4: You know, It's about resilience. You know, it's about redemption.
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Speaker 4: It's about all of these things. And if you look
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Speaker 4: at America, you know the president, President Donald Trump exemplifies resilience.
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Speaker 3: You know, JD. Vance and his upbreaking resist Abraham Lincoln,
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Speaker 3: Malcolm X. You know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: You got stories after stories about people who have come
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Speaker 4: back from from the failure or from you know, very
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Speaker 4: challenging times, and that sort of thing is.
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Speaker 3: So well even, wasn't it.
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Speaker 1: John from the Bible was a murderer at one point
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Speaker 1: before meeting Jesus. A seemed to recall that story. No
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Speaker 1: theologian in mine.
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Speaker 3: So you pulling on my master's divinity.
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Speaker 4: It was actually Paul of Tarsus and he murdered the
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Speaker 4: Christians and they knocked him off his ass the donkey
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Speaker 4: as he was on the road for three days, and
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Speaker 4: they blinded him. You could say that my Paul of
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Speaker 4: Tarzan's woman has been five years in the bacon. So
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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm closer to being a good leader
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Speaker 4: as with my feelings, as opposed to just having you know,
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Speaker 4: this sanitized you know, uh person that you have. And
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Speaker 4: that's that's one of the reasons why I appreciate the
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Speaker 4: current political context, because you're seeing art flaws. I mean
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Speaker 4: the Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister of England, said
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Speaker 4: that Americans have to get used to seeing that leaders flaws,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's one of the.
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Speaker 1: Things about social media. Dude, if you did it, I
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Speaker 1: don't care how many years ago. Anymore, someone's got a
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Speaker 1: copy of it, it's going to post it. So you
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Speaker 1: can't hide from your past.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: I'm not even here among us is sin free, you know.
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Speaker 3: And nobody.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it would seem to me that, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, bring race or anything
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Speaker 4: to it, but it seems like when you come from
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Speaker 4: a certain class, will you make a mistake, that mistake
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Speaker 4: is for life, right, You can't make mistakes, and a
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Speaker 4: mistake doesn't necessarily assume intent. You know, I say I
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Speaker 4: made a mistake, I said, but my attention was never
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Speaker 4: to be corrupt, you know. And so you know, that's
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Speaker 4: just where I stand today. I can't tell people how
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Speaker 4: to feel about me. It's not even me trying to
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Speaker 4: convince the folks. It's just saying, like, hey, this is
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Speaker 4: what happens when you are out there doing good for
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Speaker 4: your people.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you invite a microscope when you
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Speaker 1: pursue office period and of story, that's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: if you accept a position on a board of directors
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Speaker 1: at some company, people are going to be paying a
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Speaker 1: very very close attention to your decisions, your actions, and
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Speaker 1: you know, people might draw some conclusions about it you
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Speaker 1: simply based upon the company you're working for. But that's
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Speaker 1: something you go in the eyes wide open.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely and and and like I said, you know,
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Speaker 4: my teachers was never you know, you know I was.
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Speaker 4: I got on council and immediately investigated shortly thereafter my
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Speaker 4: you know, you talk about the community benefits agreement that
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Speaker 4: you made with f C Cincinnati. You talk about all
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Speaker 4: of the businesses that that that flourished while I was there,
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Speaker 4: And and mind you, if I wouldn't have been there,
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Speaker 4: none of this would have happened. You know, you talk
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Speaker 4: about five four votes, you're talking about fm C Cincinnati,
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Speaker 4: You're talking about the largest gun course in the state
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Speaker 4: of Ohio, free by the way, And so you're going
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Speaker 4: to be based off on mistake, and that's that's the choice.
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Speaker 4: All I'm simply saying is is that it was probably
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Speaker 4: one of the most formative experiences to have experienced this
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Speaker 4: after five years, to watch me be ripped away from
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Speaker 4: my family because of a mistake that I made.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to dive a little bit into
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Speaker 1: that because I know, I mean, there may be people
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Speaker 1: scream at the radio, going, oh, Jeffrey Pastor, crimea or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I'm I supposed to forget you or whatever. But the
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Speaker 1: realities of what you experience and maybe the lessons that
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Speaker 1: can be learned from what you experience, I think are important. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: it's important to you and on your path to the future,
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Speaker 1: saying I learned a lesson. I know, I served my time,
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Speaker 1: I did what was demanded of me. There's no way
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Speaker 1: in hell I could go down that road again. But
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Speaker 1: it's a road that you went down, and I want
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Speaker 1: to find out what that meant to you and your family,
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Speaker 1: what was life like in the prison you were in.
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Speaker 1: And I also, sure as heck want to know what
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Pastor has in mind for the future. Seven thirty
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Speaker 1: six Right now more with Jeffrey Pastor. First station in
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Speaker 1: bridtime with Jeffrey Pastor. He and I just catching up
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Speaker 1: the break. It's been so long since we've seen each other.
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Speaker 1: Former counselman Pastor, And of course I think everything in
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Speaker 1: my listening audience remembers that he was subject to a
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Speaker 1: federal prosecution. He did plead guilty to one kind of
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Speaker 1: honest services wire fraud and they accused him of doing
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Speaker 1: a lot more than that, but he pled guilty to that.
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Speaker 1: To your prison sentence in Ashland, Kentucky, and you were
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Speaker 1: released early good behavior release and you were able to
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Speaker 1: Is it kind of a parole situation you were on
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's actually called the First Step Act, and it
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Speaker 4: was signed into law by President President Trump, and so
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Speaker 4: they give you it's a calculation and so you get
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Speaker 4: so many days off fifteen days off for every month
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Speaker 4: that you do or something like that. So a lot
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Speaker 4: of us were able to enjoy that being cided into
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Speaker 4: law and getting out first time.
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Speaker 2: Great.
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Speaker 1: And you say a lot of us, you in fact,
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Speaker 1: were in the same prison as PG sitting felt, did
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Speaker 1: you guys interact?
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes. I talked about it yesterday.
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Speaker 4: On Channel nine with Paula Christian be a second part today,
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Speaker 4: great interview with her, by the way, and I said that,
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Speaker 4: you know, I do credit him with with showing me
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Speaker 4: what it means to be a human. I do credit
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Speaker 4: him with that started that redemptive process. As you know,
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Speaker 4: you know, I was having some very serious issues in
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Speaker 4: terms of.
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Speaker 3: My belief, you know, or my practice.
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Speaker 4: I was able to find a spiritual practice that was authentic,
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Speaker 4: that was unique, that didn't require approval from from anyone else.
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Speaker 4: You know, I had a connection and I'll you know again,
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Speaker 4: the Paul of Tars's uh, you know, had the same moment,
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Speaker 4: and I would like to say that I did. Moses
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Speaker 4: had the same moment. And and to your listeners, I
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Speaker 4: want to mention this to them as well. Remember Abraham
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Speaker 4: lied about his wife, right, I mean, these great figures
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Speaker 4: have made mistakes, so those was that was not to
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Speaker 4: get too spiritual religious and all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're making your case for those in
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Speaker 1: the audience to go on primea river pastor, right, I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, we all have to acknowledge these things. And
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever happened happened. Here we are today and
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Speaker 1: you've got a new life to live. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad to find out that PG was a bit
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Speaker 1: of a counselor for you. I mean, I have a
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Speaker 1: lot more respect for him along those lines. Of course,
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Speaker 1: you guys are struggling through the same kind of process,
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Speaker 1: but that he was able to help you in terms
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Speaker 1: of your spiritual connection, I think that's kind of a
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Speaker 1: nice thing.
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Speaker 4: Well, absolutely, I mean when you get there, you're stripped
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Speaker 4: of everything. You know, there's no councilman pastor, there's no uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, counselman PG. Sittenfield, next mayor and all those
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Speaker 4: sort of things. I mean, you're really stripped the bear.
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Speaker 4: And that's a good thing, you know, because you really
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Speaker 4: find out who you really are. And so that's why
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Speaker 4: it was important to me, because you know, he wasn't
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Speaker 4: counselman PG. Sidenfield, you know what I mean, he wasn't there.
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Speaker 4: He was just a man, just like me in a
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Speaker 4: green uniform. He's a guy, you know, He's he's he's
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Speaker 4: he's a guy, you know. And and and I don't
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Speaker 4: think that my conversation with you today, Brian, has anything
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Speaker 4: to do with trying to get sympathy from the folks.
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Speaker 3: What you're seeing as an authentic leader.
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Speaker 4: It's the same authentic leader that you that some supported
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Speaker 4: President Donald Trump, some supported President Clinton, some supported President
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Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan. All these men have had public you know,
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Speaker 4: fights that they've lost, that they've won, and that sort
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Speaker 4: of thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm no different, you know.
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Speaker 4: And the same forgiveness that that folks have provided President Trump,
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Speaker 4: and the same forgiveness that folks provided Peter for snitching
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Speaker 4: on Jesus.
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Speaker 3: It's the same, He's the same.
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Speaker 4: It's the same compassion that I think that people have
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Speaker 4: to have to have have to find in themselves.
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Speaker 1: All right to that end, and because of recording to
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Speaker 1: break ala continue to come back. Yeah, are you feeling
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Speaker 1: that sense of forgiveness since you got out? Since you
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Speaker 1: started going back interacting with people? And I'm just not
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Speaker 1: talking about your family members, but I'm talking about you know, folks.
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Speaker 1: You interact with the public like me or anybody else.
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Speaker 1: You walk in the street, Hey you, Jeffrey pastor. Are
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Speaker 1: you hearing it from them that they're like, Okay, we
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Speaker 1: know what you've been through, but we're willing to move
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Speaker 1: forward and forgive you for your sins.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, of course I do like hearing, you know, I
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Speaker 4: think people need to be reintroduced where I am. I
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Speaker 4: do like the opposing forces too, because it helps see
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Speaker 4: how far I've come when I used to, you know,
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Speaker 4: hang on to every opinion at every word. One thing
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Speaker 4: that I don't interact with, though, is I don't interact
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Speaker 4: with people who were used because they got jammed up
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Speaker 4: to jam up other people, you know, in the in
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Speaker 4: the camp, whether it was a you know, Republican congressman
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Speaker 4: there their Republican, other Republican and Democrat council members. One
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Speaker 4: thing that is universal that I've always preached is that
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Speaker 4: we typically there's a universal languages that snitches who have
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Speaker 4: gotten U s into some trouble and didn't want to
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Speaker 4: go and take down other people. You know, that's a problem.
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Speaker 4: That's a hood principle. That's a principle that is employed
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Speaker 4: by the police. That's the principal employed by the teacher
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Speaker 4: unions and all these other things. So you wouldn't You
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Speaker 4: don't see me being okay with with with with with
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Speaker 4: that behavior. You also don't see me being okay with
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Speaker 4: people who look like me, people people who are Republicans,
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Speaker 4: and all these other things. The vast number of people
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Speaker 4: who are actually working making careers out of out of
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Speaker 4: out of this sort of thing, you know. And so
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Speaker 4: I that's one thing that I've had to heal from
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Speaker 4: because I had a deep sense of hatred and that
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Speaker 4: sort of thing. Not that you're doing anything wrong, but
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Speaker 4: you know, I didn't respect the I would say the
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Speaker 4: power of just how powerful the Department of Justice is,
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Speaker 4: you know that.
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Speaker 1: They could create a fake scenario and lure you into it. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: Entrapment is a word that immediately comes to mind. Of course,
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Speaker 1: that's a defense of this kind of thing, and they're
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Speaker 1: always walking that fine line between entrapment as well as
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Speaker 1: some you know, reasonable law enforcement. I'm my big concern
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Speaker 1: about law enforcement is when they go on a fishing
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Speaker 1: expedition to create a situation where they then invite someone
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Speaker 1: to enter into criminal activity when they haven't already probable
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Speaker 1: cause to believe that person is inclined to or is
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Speaker 1: engaged in criminal activity. We're all subject to the possibility
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Speaker 1: of that in this crazy world in which we find ourselves.
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of agreement with you along those lines.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Pastor, let's pause. We're bringing back for one more
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Speaker 1: something you want to people have a carosine talk station.
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Speaker 1: Brian time with Jeffrey Pastoring Studio. He's out, he's a
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Speaker 1: free man. He knows what it's like to be incartrated
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Speaker 1: in a federal prison in Nashland, Kentucky with PG sitting Feld.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, I'd like to think my wife
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Speaker 1: would not leave me. I suppose it would be it
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Speaker 1: would be determined to on the underlying crime. Now, if
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Speaker 1: I committed some kind of heinous crime like less than
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Speaker 1: children or whatever, she got out the door, pack bag gone.
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Speaker 1: But we do love each other. Yeah, we do have
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Speaker 1: a strong commitment with I've been married for a long time.
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Speaker 1: How did you deal with you? You're together with your wife.
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Speaker 1: She stuck with you through the whole situation. And you know,
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Speaker 1: at one point, I suppose you could argue that you
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Speaker 1: could have been facing seven years in prison. Yes, you
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Speaker 1: copped it plate and got the yes that kept you
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Speaker 1: a shorter period of time away from your family. How'd
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Speaker 1: you cope with that aspect? And how did you work
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Speaker 1: through the relationship issues? And I'm glad to see the
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Speaker 1: things stayed together with you.
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Speaker 4: I thank you for asking a question. My wife is
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Speaker 4: the most important person in my life.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I see it in your eyes.
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Speaker 4: I walked on that Ashland campus to other politicians who
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Speaker 4: were serving time and their wives left them. But not
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Speaker 4: only did she stay by, but she took care of
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Speaker 4: my children, our children. She had to go through this
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Speaker 4: very difficult process, you know, obliterated our finances and that
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Speaker 4: sort of thing. So for me, I had to do
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Speaker 4: it for her, and then I had to do it
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Speaker 4: for my children. I've never spent one day say what
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Speaker 4: you want to say about me, say about what you
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Speaker 4: want to say about the mistake. I don't give a
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Speaker 4: damn what I What matters to me most is that
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Speaker 4: my wife and my six children, and they were able
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Speaker 4: to thrive because of her and because of the village
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Speaker 4: that surrounded themselves around us, the benevolence from you know,
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Speaker 4: our close family and friends and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 4: And it's something that was denied to a lot of
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Speaker 4: people where I was at, and that gave me even
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Speaker 4: more purpose things. Shout out to PG Sittingfield again, because
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Speaker 4: I was able to see that my situation when it's bad,
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Speaker 4: there's a cop right now, And I said I would
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Speaker 4: mention this when I got out.
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Speaker 3: There's a cop right now. He's white.
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Speaker 4: Just let's cut to the chase. He's serving thirty years.
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Speaker 4: He already served twenty for marijuana. Man and his daughter
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Speaker 4: died while he was in prison. You understand what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: You weed for weed, and because he had a gun
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Speaker 4: but he never used a gun.
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Speaker 3: You see what I'm said.
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Speaker 4: These are the type of ridiculous things that are going
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Speaker 4: on ghost dope, conspiracies and all these other things. And
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Speaker 4: for me to be there for twenty four months with
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Speaker 4: a wife and with my six children who are supportive
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Speaker 4: of me, and to watch them lose children and lose
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Speaker 4: their wives.
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Speaker 3: Man, I have nothing to be sad about.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit in the corner shut in my mouth.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have it a lot
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Speaker 1: worse than me. That's a great philosophy of life to
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Speaker 1: live by. And it's like, I told you didn't know
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Speaker 1: I had got cancer diagnosis. While back I was just saying, now,
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Speaker 1: it's okay, No, I'm totally fine with it. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: won the lottery of cancer diagnosis, low spectrum lymphoma. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't diagnosed with stage four you know, lump masks, you know,
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Speaker 1: liver cancer or something like that. So I always appreciate
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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know what, in spite of whatever
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Speaker 1: bad thing lands on my lap, there are so many
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Speaker 1: people in the world that have so much worse than me.
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of a grounding thing. Yeah, And it
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Speaker 1: sounds like what you went through too, Can I ask you?
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Speaker 1: Because this is the thing that this is why one
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Speaker 1: of the main reasons why I'm a law abiding season.
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Speaker 1: I hate the idea of losing my liberty as light
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Speaker 1: a prism as the Ashland prison facility minimum security might
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Speaker 1: have been. You don't have freedom, and what is that
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Speaker 1: like to face? To have to face that square in
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Speaker 1: the face. What is it life?
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Speaker 2: To live that life without freedom?
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Speaker 3: It takes it takes a great deal of testicular for it.
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Speaker 4: Who because for those who are going to prison and
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Speaker 4: our family men, you know that that is very difficult.
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Speaker 4: But when you when you when you get there and
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Speaker 4: you see people there are other men, lawyers, former lawyers,
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Speaker 4: former preachers who who took it to trial their service
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Speaker 4: seven years. And there's a former DEA agent who was
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Speaker 4: down there who's serviced seventeen years. This man got up
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Speaker 4: and exercise every single day.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 4: There are black brothers, Latino brothers, and everybody down there.
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Speaker 4: They have a lot worse than me twenty years here.
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Speaker 4: They work their way down to a camp and you know,
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Speaker 4: when you first get there there, let me get it straight,
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Speaker 4: when you first get there, you know, I didn't let
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Speaker 4: nobody know. I wasn't afraid of violence, think that like that.
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Speaker 4: I was afraid of my family being here without me
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Speaker 4: being there. Of course I love my love, my wife,
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Speaker 4: love my wife, loved her family, my family, our family,
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Speaker 4: and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: But it's nothing like you being a dad being there
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Speaker 3: and this and I mean.
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Speaker 1: Looks you wake up in the morning, you're missing your
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Speaker 1: wife and it's a whole day month and it's well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: push ups, but there's also that I wonder what she's
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Speaker 1: doing right now, he's thinking about right now.
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Speaker 4: And you only get fifteen minutes to catch up on
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Speaker 4: life and you and you get these fifteen minutes and
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Speaker 4: then you have to wait thirty minutes to get to
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Speaker 4: the next fifteen minutes, and then you only have so
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Speaker 4: many minutes that you that you can get. But I'll
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Speaker 4: say this, Brian, that's where redemption begins. It begins in hell.
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. You have to fall off
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Speaker 4: the proverbial horse to really be able to see yourself.
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Speaker 4: And you know that hatred that I went in there,
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Speaker 4: I didn't have a passion to come back to Cincinnati.
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Speaker 4: You know, my mindset was the hell with Cincinnati, I said,
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Speaker 4: because you know, just like a dime, you could change
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Speaker 4: people's mind and they can forget about you know, the
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Speaker 4: criminalization of marijuana. You know, I'm a classical liberal libertarian.
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Speaker 4: It's a big ten, you know, a Republican. But I'm
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Speaker 4: the the you know, the free libtari. Yeah, I'm like you,
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Speaker 4: so so so all of this just in just one mistake,
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Speaker 4: and now they forget that.
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Speaker 3: You've never been in trouble your life. You've overcome the odds.
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Speaker 4: But when you get there and you really get to
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Speaker 4: see yourself and you begin to heal, and you begin
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Speaker 4: to this spiritual connection, you begin to get your physical
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Speaker 4: body together, your emotions correct that passion and begins to
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Speaker 4: come back, and you say yourself, nobody can take your passion.
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Speaker 4: So so it was I gotta do this. I have
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Speaker 4: to do this form a wife, I have to do
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Speaker 4: it for a churchy, I have to do it for
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Speaker 4: the city of Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we'll be hearing more from you, Jeffrey Pastor.
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Speaker 1: There's been great conversation. I had no idea which direction
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Speaker 1: this thing was going to go. But one thing you've done,
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Speaker 1: you have made me sort of believe, at least to
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Speaker 1: some degree, in the concept of prison as a vehicle
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Speaker 1: for rehabilitation. Absolutely don't hear that much anymore. Most people
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Speaker 1: they go to prison they become better criminals. They learn
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Speaker 1: from other criminals. Whither in prison you found redemption. You
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Speaker 1: did a lot of soul searching, and it sounds to
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Speaker 1: me like you came out of a prison as a
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Speaker 1: better man.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm happy for it. I am. I did
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Speaker 3: apply for a pardon.
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Speaker 4: I think that everybody deserves mercy, Brian, I wear it
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Speaker 4: on my shirt p. Three two three one three two.
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Speaker 4: If anybody deserves mercy, I think is I think I
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Speaker 4: think it's me. I think it's I think it's folks
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Speaker 4: who have been out there doing community work, who've been
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Speaker 4: out there, whether you like my policies or.
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Speaker 1: Not, demonstrating that they became a better person. Absolutely, there
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Speaker 1: you go. Keep you, keep you on that path. Jeffrey, Well,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk again. We're gonna get the inside scoop of
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Speaker 2: Bradley J. Hey, the shutdowns over. We'll talk about that next.
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