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Baywatch Documentary Stars and Hollywood Lies · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: You guys, I'm getting excited. After I record this, I've
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  Speaker 3: got to go pack, get on a plane, because I'm
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  Speaker 3: coming to see you at the Parks Casino in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: That show is still, there are still some tickets available, however,
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  Speaker 3: it is selling really, really well. I've got the hilarious
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  Speaker 3: Tammy Pascatelli. I want you guys to know, with all
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  Speaker 3: the shows coming up, I often hear, can I bring
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  Speaker 3: my husband? Can I bring my friend? She doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: about Housewives. She doesn't follow pop culture. She doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: who you are, Heather. Yes, you can. These shows are
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  Speaker 3: top-tier stand-up from my openers like Chris Franjola as well
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  Speaker 3: as Tammy. It is funny. You do not need to
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  Speaker 3: know about Housewives. I do make some fun references and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but I set up in a way that your person
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  Speaker 3: that you're with will absolutely love it. A reminder, it
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  Speaker 3: is not political. You do not need to worry about
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  Speaker 3: bringing somebody who will somehow be offended because of the
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  Speaker 3: jokes don't align with their point of view. This is
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  Speaker 3: an escape. This is hardcore funny. This is relatable standup
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  Speaker 3: about my life stories. I've saved just for live shows. Um, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: You know, Tammy and Chris are hilarious. It is a
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  Speaker 3: really funny show that I'm telling you. You will be
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  Speaker 3: so happy you went. You will get an ab workout.
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  Speaker 3: And I just wanted to make that very clear. So
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  Speaker 3: we got October 4th at the Parks Casino in Philly.
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  Speaker 3: And then I meet with Chris in Ridgefield, Connecticut, a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful theater there at the Ridgefield Playhouse. That's October 5th
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  Speaker 3: with Chris Frangiolla. And then Chris and I head over
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  Speaker 3: to Boston at the world-famous Wilbur Theatre. That show is
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  Speaker 3: at 7 p.m. because it's a Sunday. I want you
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  Speaker 3: guys to be able to get the show in and
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  Speaker 3: still have a good night's sleep. That's 7 p.m. with
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  Speaker 3: Chris on Sunday at the Wilbur Theatre. The meet and
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  Speaker 3: greets are all an hour before the show. Give yourself
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  Speaker 3: a little extra time if you're part of the meet
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  Speaker 3: and greet. So there you go. Hope that answers all
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  Speaker 3: the questions. And I hope to see you. And then,
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  Speaker 3: of course, there's more dates coming up. So go to HeatherMcDonald.net
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  Speaker 3: for everything. And also, of course, my Patreon. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be covering the Menendez brothers and that documentary with
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  Speaker 3: my sister Shannon for Juicy Crimes. I have a Get
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  Speaker 3: Me Behind Gates. about really what my life has been
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  Speaker 3: going on lately. And then, of course, every Friday is
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  Speaker 3: the inside, kind of behind the scenes of doing this show.
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  Speaker 3: And that's everything is at heathermcdonald.net. Okay, before we get
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  Speaker 3: to our really juicy interview, which you will love, I
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  Speaker 3: want to give you, sadly, the worst updates ever, because
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  Speaker 3: Piggy Diddy is truly a monster, okay? Really, it doesn't stop.
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  Speaker 3: An attorney, I guess, put out a thing. Come to
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  Speaker 3: me if you're a victim of P.
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  Speaker 6: Diddy.
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  Speaker 3: He's from Texas. I talked about him on the last
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  Speaker 3: episode that he had a class action lawsuit with 50 people.
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  Speaker 3: It has now gone up to 125. He did a
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  Speaker 3: press conference in which— two of the victims, um, alleged
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  Speaker 3: victims are being highlighted in articles and whatnot that are
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  Speaker 3: the more disturbing ones. One is a nine-year-old boy that, um,
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  Speaker 3: was promised an audition and an opportunity to have a
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  Speaker 3: record deal. And he is claiming he was separated from
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  Speaker 3: his parents and alone with, um, Diddy in which he was, um,
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  Speaker 3: sexually assaulted. And then, um, And then there was another
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  Speaker 3: woman who wasn't even drinking because she was pregnant and then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, was drugged and found herself in P. Diddy's
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  Speaker 3: bed afterwards and was assaulted. They're just horrific stories. Now,
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  Speaker 3: some people would question how in a week could you
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  Speaker 3: actually get 150 people that you could validate their stories?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we know what goes into building a case
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  Speaker 3: for somebody. You know, were you there? Did you come
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  Speaker 3: home and tell somebody who we need to talk to
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  Speaker 3: your roommate from 2006? So, you know, are these 150?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how they're I don't know how many.
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  Speaker 3: lawyers this guy has working for him, how they're going
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  Speaker 3: to do this. But it's just never ending. And then,
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  Speaker 3: of course, as I said before, all the old clips.
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  Speaker 3: I just saw a clip that New York Post featured
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  Speaker 3: from a very popular BBC show. Maybe it was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, five years ago or something. And it's P. Diddy.
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  Speaker 3: And he's saying that, yes, at one time he did
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  Speaker 3: invite the royal prince's William and Harry to come to
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  Speaker 3: his parties, but he won't be inviting them anymore now
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  Speaker 3: that they're, you know, married and getting married. Also, page
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  Speaker 3: six is reporting that now people are coming forward saying, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I went to P. Diddy parties, but everybody knew you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to leave. There was three parties. That's what I heard.
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  Speaker 3: There's three parties. One, you leave before two.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's if you just want a past app and a
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  Speaker 3: couple of cute photos and a free glass of Ciroc.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You got to get out before 2. 2 to 5,
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  Speaker 3: some freaky stuff happens. You know, maybe some more clothes
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  Speaker 3: come off, maybe some drug use, maybe some freaky sex
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  Speaker 3: stuff that, you know, you're down for. It's the parties,
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  Speaker 3: and then you got to leave at 5. It's the
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  Speaker 3: parties from 5 on that people are saying, like, I
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  Speaker 3: never was there, and that's where maybe— you know, non-consensual,
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  Speaker 3: awful things happened to people that might've been not of
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  Speaker 3: age or not willing participants or might've been hired as
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  Speaker 3: sex workers. So there you go. It's awful. Our girl
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  Speaker 3: Wendy Williams has done an interview with Daily Mail and
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  Speaker 3: TMZ is reporting on it as well. And it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like she's doing much better. She knows what's going on
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  Speaker 3: with P Diddy. She is saying that she's hearing from
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  Speaker 3: people that she'd called it back from her radio days
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  Speaker 3: before she even had her TV show. You know, that's
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  Speaker 3: what people loved about Wendy. She really didn't care. She
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  Speaker 3: dropped a lot of truth and it wasn't in riddles. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she's horrified by what she's hearing about the
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  Speaker 3: victims and the things that she's being made aware of.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, hopefully she is doing better and she has
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  Speaker 3: spoken about that. A little update in the Bravo world.
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  Speaker 3: Brandi Glanville of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was suing
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  Speaker 3: Bravo because Andy, remember this story, that she felt that
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  Speaker 3: Andy spoke to her inappropriately as a boss and We,
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  Speaker 3: many people felt it was in a joking manner that
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  Speaker 3: they had that kind of rapport and that he and
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  Speaker 3: Kate Chastain were joking on the phone. She said, no,
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  Speaker 3: I always felt like there were inappropriate things that were
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  Speaker 3: said to me. I bet I was used. We, you know, I,
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  Speaker 3: this whole thing with Caroline Manzo happened, which I don't
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  Speaker 3: agree with. I never, you know, I never assaulted her.
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  Speaker 3: And therefore we have never seen the Real Housewives Ultimate
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  Speaker 3: Girls Trip in Morocco or She posted or tweeted on
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  Speaker 3: X that, in fact, the lawsuit has been dropped, not
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  Speaker 3: because she wanted it to, because her attorneys said, we're
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  Speaker 3: no longer representing you. We don't feel this lawsuit has legs.
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  Speaker 3: So she wrote, like, you can't write this shit. I
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  Speaker 3: can't believe it. I was told I was going to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, cash out and make so much money from
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  Speaker 3: this thing. And now, after all this time and effort,
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  Speaker 3: they've decided not. it's not worth their time, which happens.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to grab 40% of a lawsuit against a
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  Speaker 3: big corporation. They got to make sure that they have
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  Speaker 3: enough to win it. Otherwise, it's not worth their time
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  Speaker 3: because she's not paying them. They're doing it in the
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  Speaker 3: hopes that they all get, that she gets a win
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  Speaker 3: of whatever, $ 10 million, and they get $ 4 million of it.
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  Speaker 3: So if they feel like it's not going to happen,
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  Speaker 3: there's not the evidence, there's not whatever, And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that anyone else will take on her lawsuit. So
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  Speaker 3: now I really feel like she is like triply screwed
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  Speaker 3: because she felt like she was never going to be
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  Speaker 3: hired again because she was used and thrown out after
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  Speaker 3: the Caroline Manzo thing. So then she goes the legal
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  Speaker 3: route and was like, whatever, let me get my money
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  Speaker 3: so I can live somewhere and just not have to
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  Speaker 3: do these shows where I have to get drunk and
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  Speaker 3: grab people that don't want to be grabbed or whatever
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  Speaker 3: or show my tits or say awful things to people
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  Speaker 3: because that's what I get paid to do. Now that's
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  Speaker 3: seemed to be dead. So it's not been a great
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  Speaker 3: day for her, but I wanted to give you that update.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You guys remember what I said? You go to heathermcdonald.net
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  Speaker 3: I will be in New York, D.C., and Newark, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: Everything is at heathermcdolland.net. All right, get ready for a
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  Speaker 3: real fun, juicy interview. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: You guys love the inside Hollywood scoop, and I've got
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  Speaker 3: the guests to spill it. From the hit four-part series
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  Speaker 3: on Hulu right now, Baywatch, Moment in the Sun. It's
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  Speaker 3: so juicy. It's four parts. I have the director, the producer.
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  Speaker 3: You also appear in it, Matt Felker. With the star
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  Speaker 3: of Baywatch, he played the son of David Hasselhoff, Jeremy Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: throughout the entire four-part series as well.
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  Speaker 6: Associate producer? Executive producer?
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  Speaker 2: You got an associate producer.
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  Speaker 6: Associate producer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a producer as well. Yeah, I saw that.
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  Speaker 2: He produced some shit. He did some shit.
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  Speaker 3: And I saw that Nicole Eggert, who came on Juicy
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  Speaker 3: Scoop as well, that she was on Charles in Charge.
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  Speaker 3: And then, of course, Baywatch. And she's a great woman.
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  Speaker 3: She was also a, got a producing credit.
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  Speaker 5: I saw.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she kind of, I didn't really know any of
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  Speaker 2: these guys when I started. And I was just looking
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  Speaker 2: for something direct. And I knew that. No one was
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  Speaker 2: going to let me direct shit unless I paid for it.
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  Speaker 2: So I was looking for something relatively commercial and a
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  Speaker 2: buddy of mine saw me interact with Nicole on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, how do you know Nicole Eggert? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's like 48, like huge Charles in charge
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  Speaker 2: kind of fan. I'm like, I don't know. I've like
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  Speaker 2: kind of known her for like 20 years. Not well,
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  Speaker 2: but I know her enough that I can call her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, dude, like you were a lifeguard. You should
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  Speaker 2: do a Baywatch documentary. And I was like. And my
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  Speaker 2: friend was kind of an idiot that I wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: paying attention. And I'm like, that's actually a pretty good idea.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in watching it, we see you. You're giving, you know,
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  Speaker 3: narration telling story. And it looks like this did take
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  Speaker 3: quite a long span of years to put together because
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  Speaker 3: some of the people that are interviewed, you being one
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  Speaker 3: at one point, I see you again. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute. Were there two guys that played together?
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  Speaker 3: You know how sitcoms sometimes would like replace a kid
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  Speaker 3: with another kid?
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  Speaker 2: I was one.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, wait a minute, but your look
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  Speaker 3: was changing because it was a long span. So can
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  Speaker 3: you tell us a little bit like what your background
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  Speaker 3: is and how you got this project like going and
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  Speaker 3: off the ground?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've sort of kind of done it all. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I moved to L.A. and you kind of just get
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  Speaker 2: put in a box. And I was a male model
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  Speaker 2: as embarrassing.
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  Speaker 6: As that is.
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  Speaker 3: You came to L.A. from where?
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin. Oh, cool. Yeah, and my first job, I was
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  Speaker 2: a soccer player, so Nike was looking for someone to
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  Speaker 2: do their endorsements, and they couldn't pay.
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  Speaker 3: And you could actually play soccer?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a high-level soccer player.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Adidas had David Beckham at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and Nike couldn't afford anybody. So they're like, you look okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have you. So that was my first job. And
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  Speaker 2: then I became friends with the casting director in music videos,
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  Speaker 2: and then he put me in the Britney Spears video,
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  Speaker 2: and then Stacey's mom, and all those early 2000s sort of.
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  Speaker 2: hit songs, I was in all those videos. And that
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  Speaker 2: was sort of my.
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  Speaker 6: Music video ho.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was sort of my coming to LA. And then
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  Speaker 2: I did that pilot with Chelsea Handler. I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: like acting. Okay. I always sort of got thrown into it.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a script when I was 24 that I
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  Speaker 2: sold to Penelope Spheres, who did Wayne's World and Black Sheep.
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  Speaker 3: I know Penelope.
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  Speaker 2: So I started a production company with her. We did
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  Speaker 2: a male stripper comedy, which I would say is probably
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  Speaker 2: the reason Magic Mike existed, because I did it with
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  Speaker 2: Jenna Dewan, and Channing came to our set every day,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, whoa, I was a stripper, and then
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  Speaker 2: he went to, you know, all the big dogs, and
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  Speaker 2: then had.
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  Speaker 6: So wait, slow down.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're like the precursor to Magic Mike. We
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  Speaker 2: definitely had some inspiration, because our sets look the same, too,
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  Speaker 2: which is pretty funny.
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  Speaker 3: Do you keep in touch with Penelope?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. She knew my brother very well. Anyway, Penelope...
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  Speaker 3: So you guys were doing that, filming it or doing
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  Speaker 3: like a reel of it or what? How was the
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  Speaker 3: idea sort of taken before.
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  Speaker 2: It was released? So we were financed through the Goris Group.
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  Speaker 2: It was Al Goris and Paradigm. He owns Paradigm. So
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  Speaker 2: they were doing our packaging. And Jenna Dewan was the
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  Speaker 2: female lead who Channing was married to at the time.
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  Speaker 2: And Channing would always come. He came to set like
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  Speaker 2: four times. Like no one does that, especially when he's
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  Speaker 2: like a big star. And this is like sort of
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  Speaker 2: a lower budget movie.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But we had really good actors. We had Mimi Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: Chris McDonald, you know, Shooter McGavin, you know, he's that
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  Speaker 2: and a couple other. Dustin Ybarra was in it, stand-up comic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Brad, the midget's the wrong term because I know that's
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  Speaker 2: not sensitive. Smaller person, Brad, he's a stand-up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, Brad, yes.
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  Speaker 2: He's in it. I do a dance with him in
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  Speaker 2: a cowboy outfit with my ass hanging out with me
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  Speaker 2: and Brad do it together. So it was a full-on comedy.
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  Speaker 3: So you wrote it and you appeared in it.
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  Speaker 2: I executive... Produced it, and I was the bad guy stripper.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, Channing.
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  Speaker 6: Can we do that ass shaking scene?
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  Speaker 2: You can probably get it. It's on YouTube. But we
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  Speaker 2: had Channing come to set a bunch of times, and
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  Speaker 2: he befriended the son of the financier, and he got
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  Speaker 2: that guy to finance a different project for him.
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  Speaker 6: Which was?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was. dear john he got him to
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  Speaker 2: pay for okay um but then shortly thereafter it was
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  Speaker 2: a trade release that magic mike and it was this
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  Speaker 2: you know male stripper thing with matthew mcconaughey and you
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  Speaker 2: know it's like we had the b team and then
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  Speaker 2: he's like fuck it i was a stripper and i
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  Speaker 2: have access to the a team so he just took
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  Speaker 2: it i mean you can't be mad at.
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  Speaker 3: Him so then did you guys finish the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it's got dumped on fucking amazon the territories it
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  Speaker 2: was like pre-stream what's.
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  Speaker 3: The name of it balls to the wall Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: And I own that movie too, so go watch it
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  Speaker 2: because I still make $ 5 a month on it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, amazing. I just went to Thunder Down
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  Speaker 3: Under this weekend in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: I saw the pictures.
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  Speaker 6: I actually got an offer from Thunder Down Under a
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  Speaker 6: few years ago. I did some fitness pictures. I happened
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  Speaker 6: to be having no clothes on.
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  Speaker 2: You had a giant dick.
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  Speaker 6: No, it was from behind. I was standing up. It
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  Speaker 6: was actually great. And, uh, TMZ picked it up. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: and somebody said, Hey, I work for Thunder from down under.
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  Speaker 6: We'd love to have them on.
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  Speaker 3: So then I, I do like a special guest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: So I talked to him a little bit and got
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: a little cash offer. And then I had a manager
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: called Chippendales and see if they wanted to steal me instead. They,
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: they said, absolutely. They hired me for the three week,
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: like celebrity little deal. I went out there to Vegas, um,
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: met everybody. We did a big, TMZ kind of press
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: release deal, but they agreed to a price that was
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: like 150 grand for three weeks. And then we made
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: an offer to somebody, I forget what network, to do
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: like a reality show because I had just gotten married.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: So like I'm married to a stripper, but it was
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: really just my little guest appearance.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: They loved it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: They were like really into it. They were going to
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: come film, but I had just gotten off this set
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: of Celebrity Rehab.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, what year was this?
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: This was 2010, 12? Something 12-ish, yeah. And somebody died
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: at the property of a drug overdose. And even though
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: I wasn't doing drugs on Celebrity Rehab, just the fact
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: that I was on Celebrity Rehab going out there.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: The association, yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they killed the deal.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: No bonding for you.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: So you start to really, you first start, it starts
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: out how they got the idea of, which was great,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: how they were just like, smoked a joint and walked
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: down the beach and saw lifeguards and was like, there's
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: a whole story here. Which is like, even when I
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: was getting back to stripping, when I was at the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Thunder Down Under, I was like, oh, and I started
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: to think, I wonder who these guys date, like who's
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: their mother, do they have something else cooking on the side?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, I totally see why
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: this was made into a movie. Because you start to
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: kind of wonder, what is.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: This profession about?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: So I loved hearing that. And then we get to
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: see how at first it was a movie, and then
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: from the success of the two-hour movie is when it
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: became the series that we kind of know.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: So you, let's talk a little bit about you.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: So, you know, your mom was, left your dad when
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: you were only three months old. So was it, so
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it was just the two of you or did you
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: have siblings?
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: I had a sister when I was about six, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: I had already, that's about when I started acting. So
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: she had a newborn and she had me and we're
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: in Orange County. She's literally driving a Volkswagen bug that
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: catches on fire driving to LA to go to auditions
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: and stuff. It was crazy.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so, so you started to get a couple little things.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: And did you love it up until you got I mean,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you loved Baywatch too, but like was anything going on
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: like with the jobs leading up to Baywatch?
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: It was like a whirlwind. So I was a super ham,
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: like just anywhere and everywhere. Mom would take me to
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: karaoke bars. I'm like three years old singing Disneyland. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: think I'm a break dancer. I think I'm a ballerina.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: I think I can do every accent. I'm imitating Michael Jackson.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I got Elvis Presley down pat. It was just who
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: I was, you know?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: So between the ages of 6 and 10, I had
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: already done 60 commercials.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Like 13.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So now when you're doing 60 commercials, and commercials meant
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of money back then.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: So that must have, was that basically then your mom's
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: job being the manager, and that was helping take care
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: of the household?
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: My manager, my acting coach, my friend. I'm dyslexic. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: couldn't read. She had to read everything to me, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I'd have to repeat it back to her. So it
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: was like mano a mano, me and her against the world.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Mary Grady was my agent.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Lonnie O'Grady was her daughter from Eight is Enough.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Right? And I remember your agent's name.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Iris Burton, yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, those were like the two big dogs back then.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: And was there ever any concern, you know, now we
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: hear so much about, you know, child actors and the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: safety of child actors from the Nickelodeon doc to, you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, Neverland, leaving Neverland. Was there any concern? concern
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: or anything about you being on set if your mom
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: couldn't be right there?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Well, so me and my mom were super tight. We
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: were also, we're like Orange County folk, you know?
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: We don't know a lot of people in the industry.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: We're like outsiders that managed to like explode our way in.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: We were kind of hated because I would get a
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: lot of jobs over other kids. So there'd be the
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: moms with their groom, their kids that were always in
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: acting class and they got their flippers, their fake teeth,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: and they got their outfits.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Just to show people like, what is a flipper? When
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the kids lose their teeth because they're like becoming seven.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: They put these flippers. You see that I'm on like
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: toddlers and tiaras, but they're just like a little retainer.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: So then they have like the cute little chiclet teeth still.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: So there was like the Hollywood kids that lived at
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: the Oakwoods and this was like their full time job.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: And this was like a, just a thing we came
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: in kind of gorilla and stole from those people.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: They didn't like us. So we weren't really on the,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: in the inner sanctum, so to speak, shooting with the
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: right photographers, going to the right places, making the right friends. Um,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: so somehow we, we managed to, to escape that. However,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: you know, the other day, just a couple of days ago,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, dude, all the podcasters,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: all the interviewers, all the people, they want to know
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: about the dark side of being a child star. Everybody
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: wants to hear about some spirit soup, Illuminati, Jesus juice type.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Michael fingered me. I'm like, you know what? I might
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: as well just start. I mean, I guarantee you if
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I were to tell you, oh yeah. I would have
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: a full big old run. I would have a huge run.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: I could just make up a story.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Michael Fingerman?
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: I could just say, David Asloff, yeah, kissed my wiener.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: I could make up a story because everybody already believes it,
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: and I would go on a run of press and
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: money and appearances. These people are probably lying a lot.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Do you think there's anything that happened?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying even on Baywatch, I think people wanted
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: all this dark shit. And it really didn't happen.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, the weirdest thing, I went through the producers' trunks.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I was a very rambunctious kid, so I'd like to
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: rifle through everybody's everything for some reason. And I found
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: there was literally a box this big of sheepskin condoms.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: And I was like, who's having sex this much? Doug
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Schwartz drunk. I'm like, man, he must really be getting
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: it on if he's got a giant box. But for
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: all I know, it was a sponsor that sent it
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: to him for free.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably was.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It was a sponsor.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going through the girls' trailers, and their playboys
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: are in there. So they're working, and I'm looking at
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: them naked. And then I get to see them 10
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: minutes later and be like, I've seen you naked. Uh,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: but it wasn't a bunch of dark, weird stuff at all,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: you know?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I did, there was.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: A photographer who took a picture of me in a pool.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: I was at a kid's event with like punky Brewster
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: and all these kinds of celebs. Um, and they, that
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: all the moms were nudging my mom. Hey, you got
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: to shoot with this guy. You, if he invites you somewhere,
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: go with him. He'll, you'll get a lot of jobs.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: He took one picture of me in, in the history
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: of my career. And like, 20 years later was arrested
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: as being a really big part of a child pedophile
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: ring and pornography, underage pornography.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And did he want to have a session with you?
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, and we didn't go. My mom said she got
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: a weird feeling about it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Full like mother instinct.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: His mom has never done an interview before. And I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: got to know her.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: She's so beautiful too.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And yeah, she was real concerned about her looks going
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: on camera. She was so hesitant of going on camera.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So we're both wounded from growing up on Baywatch.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: All those beautiful women.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They're totally fucked up.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: She is gorgeous.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first interview she's ever done. And I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: thought it was really interesting because I feel like when
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: you have a story like Jeremy's where he's been through
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a lot, it's always like, oh, fucking parents. Parents have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to be horrible. What's wrong with your mom? And I'm like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: your mom was an awesome mom. You were just a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: crazy fucking kid. And it didn't matter if you were
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a TV star or not. He was going to be
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a crazy fucking kid.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: And that's the other thing. People always want to, oh,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: was it... Yeah, dude.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: For people that don't know, you had a drug addiction.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That happened while you were still filming.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: But it was at the very end. Towards the end.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Towards the end. Okay, but sorry, continue.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, it got heavy towards the end. But other people,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: people want to, oh, did you, you were exposed. You
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: must have been exposed to something. Yeah, I could be like, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: the producers were mean to me, so I had to
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: do drugs to cope with my feelings. Or, yeah, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: saw Tommy Lee and he had some coke, so I
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: wanted to do coke. Like, I could easily say something
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: like that. No way, dude. Being a celebrity making millions
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: of dollars by that time I was 16 probably saved
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: my life. I would have been running around broke with
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: criminals doing the stuff that I did. I just had
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: enough money to pay for lawyers and pay for really
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: good rehabs, pay for therapy, and have people want to
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: help patch me together because... I was their bread and butter.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: If I didn't have agents, managers, and publicists, all these
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: people that were making money off me, I wouldn't have
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: continued to be patted and lifted and helped and mentored
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: and supported. It probably saved my life.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That is really interesting because also it's shared that your
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: biological father, he struggled with a drug addiction. Yeah. And,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you know, sadly that happens whether you're raised in the
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: home with them or not. There is something. Some people
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: say it's not. I feel like there is something that
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: makes you more susceptible.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: I can explain it to you if you want.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me what you think.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: So there exists this thing called the warrior gene. Scientific
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: community geneticists and researchers call it the warrior gene. They
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: breed it into mice. They put a thousand mice in
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: a cage and lots of mice breed. will gravitate in
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: the cage, there'll be vodka, there'll be toys, there'll be food,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: and there'll be shelter. Lots of the mice try the vodka.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Lots of them get drunk, but most of them get distracted,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: find a friend, get hungry or tired. But about 10%
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: of those thousand will stay at the vodka and drink
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: until they die. So they take those 10% and they
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: breed them, and now since mom and dad had this
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: thing that makes them drink until they die, has this
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: thing that makes them forget about food, water, shelter, friends,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: Offspring is more likely to have it and they continue
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: to do this grab all the babies before they kill
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: themselves 50% grab all the babies before they kill themselves
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: 80% grab all the babies 100% now you got a
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: hundred percent all offspring from mom and dad they bred
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: out the normie gene Right.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Mmm.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Once they've tried vodka. That's all they want to do.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: That's all they care about and they'll kill themselves and
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Just like I did. I had millions of dollars. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: had all that good stuff. I had all these opportunities.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: A walk to remember with Mandy Moore was written for me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: That movie was written for me before the pen went
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: to paper. The writer said, this is Jeremy Jackson is
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: going to star in this million dollars at whatever I
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: was 16. Nah, nah, nah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: You blew it off.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I was too busy getting high.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And what was like the first time that you started
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to use?
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, I was smoking weed and drinking 12.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And where would you get it? And how would that
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: work between being on settle day? Because obviously you had
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like a set teacher, right? Or did you go to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: any regular school once you were casted in?
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: I was too busy by third grade. Teachers were already
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: really mad because I was missing so much at third grade.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: But I was like gifted, learning, disabled, hyperactive. I was
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: a hands-on learner, experiential learner. I was terrible in school.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: In a classroom.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Um, so that was great actually for me. Um, so
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: I did homeschool and just started working so much that
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: I really couldn't go to school.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I remember I got one commercial and I left, they
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: picked me up from the school and I was doing
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: the commercial and I had the onset teacher. And so
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: we had all the little work that like my mom
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: got and was like, here's her work for the day
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and finished it in an hour and a half and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: one of the things was teaching me to read a
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: clock okay and we'd been working on that at school
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: for so long and I understood it within 10 minutes
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: of being with the set teacher and that's why I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: like hey If homeschool is the way to go, don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: let people tell you that or that, you know, that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: for weird religious people, whatever. Do what's right for your
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: kid because I truly believe a one-on-one situation, it's like
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: you don't need to be there for eight hours if
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: you have like a private tutor or you're doing homeschool
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: It was great for me, you know, and it's feast
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: or famine, right? So you're either really, really busy or
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: you don't have anything to do. So when it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: I don't have anything to do time, it was go.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: And 12 years old, 13, 14, 15, all kids are
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: getting into some form of trouble. You know, someone's smoking weed.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: They know somebody's older brother has weed in their room.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: You go to their house and you smell it. They're 16.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: They look cool. And you're like, oh, they're doing something cool.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: What's that smell? You know, and then you want to
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: try it. You want to do it from cigarettes to whatever,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So for a while, those teen years, you were able
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to party, get back into it. into the straight and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: then when did you like kind of go off the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: deep end?
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I got pretty deep into Coke. Um, you know, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: was already going to rehab at like 16, but, uh,
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: you know, playboy mansion parties and Coke.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And, and so you're going to playboy mansion parties at
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: 16 cause all the girls were on. I thought that
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: was also really interesting that, um, I can't remember the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: actress that said it and she said, um, Playboy was
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: like if a celebrity did a Playboy spread. If a
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: celebrity did a Playboy shoot midway through their career and
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: they're already a celebrity, that was steak tartare. But if
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: you just did a June issue as some chick that
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: came from Oklahoma, then that was just gross raw meat.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Raw nasty meat.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was such an interesting analogy. And then how
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: they were like, well, listen, this is where we need
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: to hire the people for Baywatch is just go straight
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to the Playboy Mansion. And it did become such a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: cool thing in the 90s, all the Playboy stuff, who
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: the girls were, who got the month.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Playboy was a real thing.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I think the newer generation kind of forgets what it
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: actually was because porn is just everywhere. Right. So, like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything, you know. Playboy is so tame
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: compared to what you can see online.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: So.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And I think that's why, like, oh, you know, she
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: got the Playboy thing. And we were seeing that it
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: was leading to other things, Pamela being one, Jenny McCarthy,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Karma Lecter. Yeah, like that was really interesting. So when
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you're reaching out to the other people. Now, when we
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: see Pamela Anderson doing an interview, was that with you
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: or were you able to grab interviews from something else?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So Pam was interesting. Initially, she was receptive, like early on.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And at the time, I didn't think she was going
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to be hard to get at all. Because at that time,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that was pre Pam and Tommy show on Hulu that
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: created a whole resurgence, which created a rebuttal to her documentary.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, she's off doing what she's doing.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: By the time we got to her, the pandemic had started.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: She was living in Canada. So I didn't want to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: film her remote. I just didn't think you'd get the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: right interview with her. And I felt she deserved more
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: than that. Like she deserved a face to face. Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So we kind of put a pin in it and
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: then the Pam and Tommy thing came out for Hulu.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: And I think she was really enraged at first. I mean,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I think in retrospect, she should thank him because, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Megan Ellison probably took a couple million dollar loss to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: resurge your career and make you, you know, empathetic to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the audience type thing. But she really, she really hated that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And she had all these like statements like, I don't
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: even know who Lily James is. And I don't know
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: who Sebastian, I mean, they're the two very solid actors
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of the generation. I mean, they're, You may not know
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: who they are, but they're very good.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And it's, you know, it's Seth Rogen and Megan Ellison,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you know, fucking billionaire wins Academy Awards. I mean, she
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: put fuck you money into that thing. And I mean,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I listened to their soundtrack and just from licensing music.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They had a seven figure soundtrack per episode. I mean,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: she did not make money on that at all.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I thought it was great.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: It was.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I thought I knew the story and I thought it
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: was great how it was shared. And I thought they
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: were both great. But I was watching it with my sons,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: my teenage sons, and by like the fourth episode, they
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: were like, oh my God, who cares that there's a.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It's too long. It's way too long.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But also from their perspective, they were like- It means
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: nothing to them. They were like, why is she so upset?
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Like, who cares that people saw them have sex?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: To them, it's a different world.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's generational different. Yeah, it's a totally different world. Their
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: friends are on OnlyFans, so it's totally different.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And also, there's no slut-shaming or anything with guys. They
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: don't see it like that. They're like, so what? So
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that was her husband, and who cares?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she reacted violently, too.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Right, and I'm trying to explain that, no, she felt
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: it was really going to hurt her career. That's what's
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: so interesting, is how the perspective of something changes.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Psychographic.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: It's just like when the Kardashians started too, it was like, um,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I was at, uh, a party in which the Kardashians
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: were there. It was, it was a party for, um,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Jillian Barbary from the morning show, like celebrating her wedding
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: or something. And they were hosting it. And Kim was
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: attempting to be like a red carpet girl. Like that's
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: what she was working on. And, her publicist was like
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: kind of helping. And so they had, because Jill was
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a celebrity, they had like in touch and maybe like
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: E there at the house. And, and the girl goes to,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say who the celebrity is, but
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: she goes to celebrity and she goes, Oh, before you leave,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: could you please, could Kim interview you really quickly? And
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this is a post sex tape.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: And, but recent. And she was like, no, I don't
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: do interviews with porn stars.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And she left. And I remember thinking my perspective was
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: this is the daughter of the woman who hosted the thing.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Why aren't you just helping a daughter, you know, work
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: on her craft like that? It's just kind of rude.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was sort of I thought that's
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: what I thought. I didn't think, oh, you're being too
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: high and mighty for that. But so for a while
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it was nobody wanted to fuck with them. That was,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, Kardashian. And then all of a sudden.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And then Anna Wintour gave them Fashion Week passes and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: they met Della and it was game over.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden everybody, you know, knows
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: that they are powerful and that's who you want.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: To be friends with. They saw the value.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: But how quickly, how quickly.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Or are they just jealous because that person is getting
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: more attention than you get for your craft career that
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: you put so much time and effort into. True, true.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Back to how Pam to wrap it up. So that
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: came out. She, like, closed all doors. Like, we're not
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: doing anything. Then I got a call from my contact
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: at ABC News Studios who we ended up doing the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: deal with but didn't have a deal at that point.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: They're like, we just got this Pamela Anderson documentary sent
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: to us. They want, like, an absorbent amount of money.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: You know, her kid is her manager now. He asked
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: for all this money and we're.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the one that they like film.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: It's the one that went to Netflix.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: The one that they filmed mostly at the home in Canada.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: It's yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: They filmed two days, you know, people like, Oh, this
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: documentary is so great. I'm like, the story is great.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: They filmed that for like $ 9. Like it was literally
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: filmed in two fucking days. So from a, from a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: producer standpoint, I'm not super blown away, but I understand
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the value of it. But anyway, so she, Did that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, fuck. I would have liked to have
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: got that story for my thing. But I get it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: She's making some money from Netflix. She's going to monetize
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: her story. And that's great. So we circled back to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: her trying to do a follow-up. And her son manages her.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he still does because she just
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: signed with CAA. And I don't think they would maybe
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: work with him. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't. But
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I can't see that working out very well.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Anyways.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Anyways. They were initially receptive, and their first comment was,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: how much?
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: How much?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: We're like, nothing. It's an ensemble cast. We have 38 people.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It's literally everyone that's ever been on the show. It's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: a big thing for Pam. You can run your story. Really,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: we'll let you craft your image. No, hard no. That's
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: what her son said, hard no, right? And I called
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: him and I go, hey, Brandon, this is Matt. And
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: he didn't even let me talk. He just hung up
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: on me. I'm like, wow, that's good managing. That's great managing.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's going to work well. So I was like, whatever.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: So Muriel Pearson, who's an 11-time Emmy-winning producer for ABC
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: News Studios, She goes, do you remember that 2020 that
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you were a panelist for us during the pandemic? And
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: that's how I met them. I did a free panelist
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: on pop culture for them, shot it myself, sent them
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a hard drive. And that's how I created this relationship
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: with the people that ended up buying it. She's like, yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I interviewed Pam for that. And it's the same time
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you interviewed Pam with or you interviewed all the other actors.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go through the transcripts because we never even put
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it in the 2020 because at that time, Pam's value
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: was nothing because it was pre-Pam and Tommy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Oh. So they tried to like– Pre-Pam and Tommy the movie.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And then pre-Pam and her rebuttal with her Netflix thing.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So this is like only a year prior, zero value.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Zero value. And then now she's here trying to negotiate
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for money. So we just said, oh, thanks, but no. thanks, Brandon.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And not only did I go through the transcript, it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: all the stuff I would have asked her anyway.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And we owned it in all perpetuity. So not only
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: did they try to tell us to go fuck ourselves,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: we had an interview that we were able to use
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in perpetuity that we put up on the Jumbotron Times Square. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So it was like a ultimate like checkmate. It's like
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: we gave you guys the opportunity to do whatever you wanted.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And you said no. And now we're taking your mom
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: back to the place where she was still wearing makeup
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and had that different persona.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: So now you've just taken your mom's persona back because
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: you refused to do something. And it was just it
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: was hilarious because not only and then they had it like, oh,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Pam refused to interview New York Post. Pam, it's like, well,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: she did, but she didn't. She asked for money.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: She didn't refuse. She asked for money. There's a big
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: difference between being like, no, I'm not doing this under
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: any circumstances. It's how much.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: If you're not going to work with Matt Felker, you're
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: working against him and you're just, where there's a will,
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: there's a way. He's going to find a way to
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: make it happen. Like he moved so many mountains.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get a little into that. What's the girl,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the athletic girl at the end?
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Alexander Paul.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always remember that, you know, she was on
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: it and, you know, she was very athletic, looked like
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: a swimmer. She was a swimmer. And I thought what
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: she said was really cool in the doc, how she's like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: you know, everybody at that time was getting boob jobs,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: all the other girls. And she's like, and I was like, no,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: this is me. And it, it was, she was really
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: lovely in it. She was just like, this was a
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: reason why you should be yourself. And it made it
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: real that you had the, like the true athlete girl.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And of course the other girls are like these hot things,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: you know? Not that she wasn't hot, but the booby,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the big boobs.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: We had a question that didn't make it into the series,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: but it was a question that we asked everyone. Who
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: was like the most realistic lifeguard and who was the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: most unrealistic lifeguard?
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And my answer was, on popular opinion, Pamela Anderson.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Most unrealistic.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: No one has nails and boobs like that that's rescuing anyone.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just looks great. Not functional.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Not a functional body type for being a lifeguard.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Right. But, yeah, I mean, any of the girls that had, like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the really big, big boobs, it's like it gets in
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: your way.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Even in an athletic standpoint. I mean, most girls I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: know that are athletes, if they have big boobs, they
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: hate it. And they try to, like, strap them down.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I thought they were real. No, they're not.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Really? With Nicole Eggert, who she came on Juicy Scoop
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a few years ago. I was telling her before we started.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And I reached out to her because she was telling
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: her story, her situation, and with Scott Baio that she
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: was underage, her story, and they had a physical relationship
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: when she was underage, according to her. And he said, no, whatever.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: He has said that's not true. But she came on
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: and told the story about that. And it was kind
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: of interesting how then she went from Charles in charge
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: to being on Baywatch. And then she just kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: bailed out.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And....
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Changed her looks, but kind of like downplayed her beauty
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: with her change of hair and stuff.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Which is something that happens when girls are.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Sexualized.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Sexualized, sexually assaulted, whatever, where they're like, I don't want
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: to be that anymore.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: They don't want the attention.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: And I thought that was really interesting because I didn't
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: really remember that, you know, because she was just what,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: only on like one season.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: She was, yeah. And she kind of, she did really
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: disappear from the public eye.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: For a while. I mean, I knew her just from
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: being out. like, in the scene.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And I think I met Nicole when you guys wrapped
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Hawaiian Wedding. She was dating Momoa at the time. That
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: was the first time I met Jason Momoa.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know that Jason Momoa got his start on...
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: So was he on Baywatch Hawaii?
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually... I don't think it was very clear
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in the documentary, like, because my director's cut was... very
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: different from the studio cut. I wasn't in my cut.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: They made me be in. So any fucking reviewer or
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: critic's like, what the fuck did that guy put in?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a choice, so fuck off. I didn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: want to be on camera because I knew he'd be like, oh,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the fucking guy wants to be a star. It's like, no,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: they wanted me to go in because I had so
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: much time.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Narrating the story.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: What people don't realize is I have spent more time
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: with these people than the cast have. Because these people
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: were evolving cast. I spent five years with everyone. Some
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of these people never met each other other than like
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a reunion party for an hour and be like, oh, hey,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you're on Hawaii. Cool. Cheers. And that's it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I remember being I used to go to Playboy parties
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: and I remember getting a call and being like, oh,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you're invited to the mansion on Sunday, whatever. And it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: a going away for Brandi Roderick. to go beyond Baywatch Hawaii.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, like, I'm so happy that she's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: getting away from this old fart. Because I didn't know her,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: but I would just go to the parties, whatever, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: she was the new girlfriend. And I thought it was
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: really nice that whatever their relationship was, that he was like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: go ahead. Because when I watched the Playboy documentary, a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: lot of the girls wanted to be actresses and stuff,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: and their story was that he kind of cock blocked
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: him like ruined um like you know she's all some
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: girl was all excited to get the agent or the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: audition and then all of a sudden the call stopped
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: because he was like i don't want her on tv
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: so at that point he was like okay great go.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Beyond his wieners that work.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah so go to go do hawaii so so hawaii
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: uh baywatch was on for a couple years and that's
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: where jason yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I don't again i don't think it was really clear
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: in our cut but he actually won a contest It
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: was like a contest. I don't remember the late 90s
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: or late 2000s. They would always do contests for everything.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Like the structure underwear model. Do a contest. And be
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of ripped dudes with his dick hanging out.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Be like, look at my abs. And they'd be like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you win. You have the biggest, you know, that kind
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: of thing. Yes.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: And like a top of Canada.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: It was these contests. Wet t-shirt.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of contests.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It was pre-social media where everyone could be famous. Like
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: this is the chance for the normal person to be famous.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Got it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Stand in line and maybe we'll pick you.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And that's what he did. But, I mean, dude's 6'5
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and super good looking. Of course they're going to fucking
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: pick you.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, so he was on it. And when you guys,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: when they do the Hawaii reunion thing, what year was that?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Early 2000? 01, maybe?
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, 01.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 01.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: And who was getting married in it?
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Hasselhoff and Gina?
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: I guess so.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Here's the best part about this documentary.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Gina Nolan.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things I don't actually know about
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the show because the show itself was not interesting to me.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: The stories were the worst.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It was the people and it's what this sort of
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: thing had a grip on society.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Internationally and domestically type thing.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: So a lot of fans, I think like the weird
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like super fans like, dude, we really wanted to like
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: go through all the actors. And when Billy was on
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: episode so and so when the shark ate his butthole
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm.
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: Like, dude.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not spending my own money to do that. If
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you want to do that, you go, go right ahead.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But good luck fucking selling that anywhere.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's straight to YouTube, buddy.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: What was great is that you went through the actors
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: and they, you know, we're talking about what it meant
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: for their career, how they got it. And, I mean,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: what was really, like, lovely about you and your struggle
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: is the part that I couldn't, I could not believe
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: is when you, I guess, relapsed and you ended up
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: in the county jail. And these cast members from years back,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: who were the three that came together to visit you? That,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: I think, I was blown away. I can't imagine.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: In my life, me being in that situation.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Having people come from like a TV show you did
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't think so. And I thought that
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: was really like end of a show like this that
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: is so superficial and playboy in looks that the friendship
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: would continue all these years to the point that they're like, hey,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: our friend needs us. So tell that story.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: So they've been there for you forever, no matter what.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. I did my wedding reception at David Asloff's house. Um,
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: you know, I've helped David Charvet with some training stuff, uh,
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: fitness stuff in the past. Uh, Alexander Paul sent me
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: protein powder to my rehab every month. She put me
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: on a subscription plan for like, I don't know, for
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: three months, I got a tub of protein, which was
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: like the cutest thing in the world. She came to
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: visit me there. Uh, Nicole Eggert found the lawyer that
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: got me, um, the help that I needed. There was, uh,
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: I went through two years.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: How did you end up in the jail?
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: So I was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: What was the story behind that?
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: I was looking at 70 minutes in prison.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Can you tell the story of what was going on?
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: So the story is basically, you know, when you're a
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Hollywood white boy in the San Fernando Valley doing drugs,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: selling drugs and hanging out with people who do drugs
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: and sell drugs. You're hanging out with people who steal cars,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: who rob houses, who are prostitutes. Um, you know, who
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: are homeless, you know, this kind of thing, who are
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: drug addicts.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: So, and that's where you found yourself.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And, and they, I wasn't until years later, I realized,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: oh my gosh, I could have just told everybody, Hey,
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: I got a new project. I'm doing research for a movie.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: You're going to be in it. So they would kiss
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: my butt, but they just assume that I have money.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: And that I'm hiding stuff from them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Who are these unsavory people?
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: You know, so I was getting, I got robbed and
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: carjacked and attempted kidnappings and You know, stuff like this
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: a lot where I'm fending for my life with like.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Guns in my face. Because you're hanging out with the druggies.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: But the druggies know that you're the.
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: Kid from Baywatch. And the druggies think that he's probably
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: got a bunch of money and he's selfish and lying
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: and using us.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I used to play on YouTube the theme song when
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: you'd show.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Up.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: This got cut too. I loved it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, what's the story?
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: My favorite buddy that was a drug dealer of mine,
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Bam Bam, rest in peace. He died of a fentanyl
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: overdose about a year ago. But he would always, I'd
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: call him and say, hey, I'm coming over to pick up,
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: you know. And he literally set up speakers and a TV,
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: and as soon as I'd walk in, he'd play this
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: You Can Run video that was on Baywatch.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: It's like he was a little kid.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and make fun of me. But these people.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: To buy.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: The drugs at this point.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Like, what year is this? That you're going to the
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: guy's house and he's playing the music.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I had been sober from 20 years old into
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: my early 30s when I relapsed. I think it was probably...
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: 2013 or 14. And how did your relapse happen once
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: you'd been on the straight and narrow for seven years?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: How does that happen?
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: You get really busy and you think that paying attention
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: to your recovery and following mentorship and helping other people
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: and praying and meditating every day and keeping the horse
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: in front of the cart that it's not that important
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: because you're really busy and you've got jobs and you've
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: got responsibilities and You haven't drank or done drugs for
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: 13 years. How am I going to go back, you know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: having a glass of wine in the jacuzzi in Maui
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: with my fiance? Like, there's no way.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Was that the moment?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: How am I going to be a drug addict off
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: a glass of wine in a jacuzzi?
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: So you're on the vacation.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: And your, your fiance, I guess, hadn't had any issues
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: with drug and alcohol.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Not that I knew.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: So she was going to have her normal glass of wine.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: And was she at all like, don't, or was she
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: thinking you were good?
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: We totally had a conversation about it. So I was like, Hey,
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: so check it out. Like it's been so long. Maybe
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: I was just like an angst kid, you know, 12
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: to 20. It's like, there's a lot of emotions. There's
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: a lot of hormones. I was on TV. There was
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of pressure. Like we're doing great. You know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: everything's smooth. We go to church every Sunday. You know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: I'm working, training people. We've got a dog and a
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: house and cars. And I highly doubt having a couple
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: of glasses of wine with you is somehow going to
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: demolish it all. But I'll make you a deal. If
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: I drink and if I get out of hand or
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: if I start acting different, just tell me. And then
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: I'll stop and I'll, you know, go back into some
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: recovery program. Or if I have to go to rehab,
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: I'll go to rehab or whatever. I'll just stop. That
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: was the thought. I'll just stop. And I don't, she
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: never said stop. And I never remember a time where
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I'm getting out of hand. I'm
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: sure it happened. I just don't remember it. It's that idea.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, so it started with wine. And then what happened?
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: Smoking a little bit of weed.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: You know, taking a little bit of Xanax to sleep good,
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: maybe twice a week. And then maybe 10 milligrams of
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: Adderall in the morning. I'm feeling, you know, the doctor
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: prescribed me 30. I'm only taking 10. I'm not a
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: drug addict. I'm underdoing it. I'm definitely not overdoing it.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: So I feel enhanced. I feel like I'm getting better sleep.
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: And I'm clearer in the day and I'm able to
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: relax on the weekend, smoke a joint and have some wine.
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: And our relationship went kaput, kablooey. And I found myself
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: in a depression just drinking myself in depression. And after
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: about a month of that, I said, screw this. I'm
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: going to get high. Real high. This blues isn't cutting it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: So where did you do then?
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: Want to hear something weird?
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: My sobriety date was 9-24-2000. Okay. On 9-24-2000 was the
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: first day I hadn't smoked meth, right? And I stuck
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: to that date. The first day I smoked meth was 9-24-14.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Guess what today is?
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: 9-24.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: Kind of weird, right?
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: That is.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: You do?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's do it again.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: So you, so meth.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: That's how you stay so trim?
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So meth was your thing.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Crystal meth.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: And tell them how, like, you started with meth and, like,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: it was cocaine and you're like fuck meth is nasty.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: And that's yeah that's what always happens you have a
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: couple drinks you're having fun and you want to you
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: know do a bump or something you think it's no
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: big deal and you do a bump.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Of just regular cocaine and it's like oh.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I hate this stuff it makes me really judgmental of
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: others it makes me really angry I just irritable coke
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: makes me.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Real irritable so I'm that way without anything you want
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: to get out.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: Of the irritation and do the thing that overhauls you
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: that hijacks you completely you know But after a month
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: in bed, being depressed like that and crying over my pause,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: my relationships over, what am I going to do? What
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: am I going to do? So then I just got high.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: And literally as soon as I get high, I'm like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: I'm a real drug addict. Professional. I'm that one that
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: won't leave it. And I forget, like the mice, I'll
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: leave the food. I'll leave the shelter. I'll leave the friends.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: I don't care about anything else. Once I do it,
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: I don't care about anything else. I can't force myself
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: to care about anything else. Until the handcuffs are on.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny about Jeremy? My wife and I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: had this conversation. We came back from the premiere party
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: where everyone was there. And we're like, do you realize
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: that Jeremy, who is the most fucked up of anyone
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: on that show, is the most together now? And it's true.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: He is literally the most together of anyone on that show.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: And he should be dead. Truly. Multiple times over.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you start doing it again. You start doing
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: the math.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: And then automatically just.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Going to the guy's house where he's playing the music. Right.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: And, you know, these guys... Bam, bam. You know, these
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: drug addicts, they're driving around.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: And now has the ex-fiance, like, contacted your mom and said,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I have some really bad news. He's using it again.
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: Ex-fiance started hanging out with Dan Bilzerian and G-Eazy and
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: Chris Brown just to rub it in my face. Oh,
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: she just.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Moved on to another celebrity type of crew. Okay. So
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: she's not calling your mom concerned.
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: Nope.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: She just moved on to the next best thing.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: She's making claims against me to the police and saying
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: that I, all kinds of stuff.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: And just changing my address with the IRS and trying
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: to get loans in my name because we're married. She's
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: trying to screw me extra.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, she turned into like a grifter.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: Extra. Yeah, she tried to screw me extra. Really weird. Anyway.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, jeez. But you never married her?
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: We were married, yeah. Oh, you were married. We were
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: married for two years together for four.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Oh. And this is the one that they always film
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: homeless with no teeth. And they try to blame Jeremy
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: for it, which always really irritates me because it's so
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: not the case.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: Uh-oh, now the juicy scoop.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I've seen those posts before, and I didn't really know.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: But when I would see it, without knowing who you are.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: Jeremy, you piece of shit.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: You did that to her.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, whenever I see those stories, I'm like.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: It's not your fault. Just like when someone's like, oh,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: this is the brother of this celebrity. I'm like, stop.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: No one's responsible for somebody as we're adults years later.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: So she moves on and is at the Dan Bolzerian
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: parties and all this other stuff. And then she got addicted.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: I believe, you know.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: And now she's like a homeless person in Venice.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Toothless, homeless, hairless, broken, filthy.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Massive mental illness.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Here's schizophrenia. Here's voices. Think she's going to electrocute people
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: by touching them. I mean, it's like people don't understand
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the actual psychology of like, well, drugs are one thing,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: but that's masking something.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It's, it's masking mental illness. It's part of it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: That's just something you do to survive out there. And,
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: but there was something that drove her there, which, you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: I was trying to hold together for both of us.
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: I guess two broke people don't make a fixed.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Person, but you've tried to help her forever. That's why
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: people are like, Oh.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: My God, you're so you're like, Jeremy, I can't.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Believe you left her that way. And it's like, Like,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: how long ago is that now? Over a decade?
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Well, that we were together? Yeah. Eight years? Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like how long... I haven't seen her for
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: eight years. I mean, I have tried to help homeless
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: people before. They often don't want help. They are actually
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: at peace with where they're at.
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: Well, she's on record saying that exactly. I hope everybody
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: leaves me alone. I like where I'm at. I'm doing
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: exactly what I want to do.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she has said that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: So.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're using what happened. How did you get
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: in jail? How long are you going from just starting
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: to do crystal meth again to the incident that put.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: You in jail? Within a year. It happens quick for me.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Quick demise. Maybe six months.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: So I defended myself against an armed gunman who was
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: jacking me from a gang called CPA, Canoga Park, Alabama.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Bigger than me.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Because of Alabama Street?
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: That's a cool t-shirt.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: Bigger than me, scarier than me. More sold out for
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: the gang life. And I defended myself. And I got
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: a lot of credit for that. I got a lot
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: of like, hey, don't mess with this guy for that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: So then these other people came and they stole my car.
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: And I said, well, I know what I got to do.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: I got to find these people and I got to
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: scare the shit out of them. And I got to
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: let them know I'm the guy you don't mess with.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: Because if I'm going to be out here, I'm going
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: to continue to be taken advantage of, guns in my mouth,
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: robbed and stolen from. So I got to go get
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: this car back. And there was a scuffle. There was
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: two guys and a girl and there was a scuffle
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: and people got injuries and I'm the bad guy, you know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: because I went after them to get my car back.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: There's also a singular documentary here.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: So, you know, there was also the gunman that was
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: on record. tattling that I was the guy that stabbed him.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: There was also the claims.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: They said, Hobie, stab me.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there was also.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Hobie, stab me.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Hobie, because that's your character name.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Hobie, stab me.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: Also the claims made by my, you know, sadly. slipping
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: from sanity wife. So the judge, the DA is like, oh,
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: wait a minute. We got this blonde damsel in distress.
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: He stabbed this guy almost to death. And now this,
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: we're putting his ass away. So I was looking at
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: big At least seven years in prison.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: Scared shitless. Both lawyers that I had reached out to said,
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: this is the best it's ever going to get. The
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: other guy said, we can do an insanity plea. So
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: you can at least do your seven years like in
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: a mental health style jail rather than normal, normal jail.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: And I was like, oh my gosh, I was in
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: jail for four months, like trying to fight this thing.
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: That's when everybody came to visit me. And Nicole, you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: like she said in the documentary, she said, yeah, she said, no, no, no, no.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: I'm going to call people. And she started calling people
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: and she found me a lawyer that that got me.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Who is a lawyer?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: A year in jail. Alala Cameron.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: Alala Cameron. She got me a year instead of seven.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: And I had to go to, I went to rehab
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: for like six months.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: So you had to go to prison for one year.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: Jail, luckily, which allowed me to get my strike removed.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: So I'm not a violent.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: So jail is nicer than prison.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Well, if you go to prison, you can't have your
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: strike removed for like an aggressive crime. Oh, okay. Um, so.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Meaning the three strike law.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: Okay. So now the strikes removed it. The felony was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: reduced to a misdemeanor instead of being a felony. It
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: was a, it was a miracle.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Did you have a roommate in the jail or did
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: you have her own cell?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: Oh no, no. I had roommates. They didn't, They asked me,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: when I went to jail, I'm standing in the line
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: to go through the x-ray machine. And they go, 7945,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: back of the line. I'm just like sitting there. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: some dudes are like, dude, dude, that's you. I'm like, what?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, crap. So I get out the back
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: of the line and we go for another 30 minutes. 7945,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: back of the line. I'm like, that's me again? They
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: just kept putting me at the back of the line
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: until there was nobody else coming in. The doors were closed.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: And I'm the last person through the x-ray machine. And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: they go, dude, come here. Turn a computer screen. They go,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: is this you? And they pull up some Baywatch stuff.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: And I go, yeah. By the way, I have no tooth.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: I literally look like Charlie Manson. Like I really did.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: And they go, is this you? They go, do you
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: need like protective custody? You know, which is where you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: go hang out with the child molesters and the snitches
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff. Um, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: And don't do this to me. Like, don't like, no,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: I'm going to walk in there. They're going to wonder
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: if I'm some kind of informant or something. You're making
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: like my life in danger. Like, please tell, ignore nobody.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: Um, that was a funny deal, but I did my time.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: So did they, but did they, did it, was it doable? Like,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: did they make it kind of okay?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: Or was it, I got in a couple of fights.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: I got a concussion. I was puking for a couple
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: of days.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the kid's fucking scary. Like I remember I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: knew of Jeremy and I was like, I don't want
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: to fuck with that guy. Cause we were actually doing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: triathlons at the same time. And I would see him
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: like training and I'd be like, that dude's fucking pretty ripped.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like sort of competing with him at far,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: but I knew his history. I'm like, I don't want
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: to fuck with that guy. Like he was, when I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: first met him, I was like, I didn't know if
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I loved the guy or was like absolutely terrified of him.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: It was like this really weird, because all you do
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: is you hear things. You hear, you know, and I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: remember I had a friend when I first moved to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: LA whose mom was a casting director, and she would
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: just be like, oh, that's the kid from Baywatch that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: does meth. Like, that's, like, what you were told.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: And meth is, like, the worst drug, you know, to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: your mind.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: I'm definitely a Dr. Jekyll, Mr.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Hyde.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: When I'm on the right path, I'm the best friend
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: you ever had, and when I'm on the wrong path, steer.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: So he was terrifying when I first met him. But
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: then I kind of got to know him, and I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: just realized how honest and kind of open he was
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: and what just a great human being he is.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: Takes what it takes.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: He's probably terrible. I've never met him on math, which
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: is probably not a good one to meet.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: And so what is, like, what are you doing now?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Obviously you worked on this, but, like, what else is
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: going on in your life professionally and personally?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have a men's retreat in Costa Rica
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: we do every two and a half months. It's called
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: the Balanced Man Retreat, Freedom Through Discipline, Stoicism, Meditations, you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: Overcoming Fears, Community. um, interconnection. We do a, we do
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: a lot of, uh, waterfall hikes and shooting bow and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: arrows and surf and, you know, helping people catch their
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: first wave ever. But really, uh, it's a paradise out
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: there first and foremost, but coming together just as men, um,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: and helping, you know, moms get better sons back and,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: and sons get better dads back and employers get better
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: employees back or employees get better bosses back, sending, sending
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: men back out into the world, uh, a better version
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: of themselves, you know? So it's, that's a beautiful thing.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: I run a company called Energy Wellness Group in Orange County.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: We facilitate over 46 therapeutic wellness groups in rehabilitation centers
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: and mental health facilities and detoxes. So every day we're
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: out there meditating with people, loving on people, tuning their
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: chakras or teaching the power through constructive thinking and goal
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: setting and helping them win their day and survive.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: In talking about your story of having the one glass
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: of wine after all those years and The rats and everything.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Very fascinating. Because I have spoken on this. I really
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: have no right to speak on it. In fact, because
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I am not a therapist. I haven't studied it. But
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: I have said like, you know, there are people that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: feel like AA doesn't work and that there are other
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: methods or maybe, maybe it was, your thing was cocaine.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: And therefore a couple of years later, you can have
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: a beer here and there. And I've said that and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I've gotten people like angry with me that I've even
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: said that. And I'm like, I don't know because I've
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: never give, I had to give it up for any
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: other reason except, Oh, I'm taping something in three days
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: and I want to like look a little thinner and better.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I've been very lucky. I do have alcoholics and stuff
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: within my family. And I think that's, One of the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: reasons why I was like, oh my God, I enjoy
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: it so much and I like it so much and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I like the glassware, I like all the stuff. So
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I think respected it to a level where I didn't
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: ever have to end up in Promises. But then there
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: was always that part that was like, I wonder if
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: I would like going to Promises.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I told you, I used
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: to visit Britney Spears there.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, tell us about that.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: This is actually a great segue. So I... did that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: video in 2004, the toxic video.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: And that was like, you're like one of the dancers
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: of the boyfriend.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: She makes out with him in the, in the, in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: the airplane. Oh, so it's me, Tyson Beckford and, uh,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Martin Henderson, I think.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: Actor.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And, um, so we met and I think she was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: like interested, you know, and I was, and I was like,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: that's a little scary for me. Like not my thing.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: And she was, she was not like kind of what
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: she is today, but she had like a very different
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: personality than I think, the public persona.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Was, but this is before the shaved.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Head really close.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: And, um, so we, uh, I think she went off
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: and married Kevin Federline like around then. And, um, I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: was friends with her manager. So I would like see
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Larry and like whatever. And then I was dating an
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: actress and she ended up going to promises. And this
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: is around the same time. The actress that you're dating.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: This is around the same time that Brittany, um, was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: you know shaved the head and did the whole thing
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: and i think she was separated from kevin at the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: time so she ends up being fucking britney's roommate it
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: promises so here i am visiting my girlfriend and she's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: like hi and she's like she's like pumping her breasts
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: for her children.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: At the time yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: And i'm like what i'm like i think i'm like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: 26 27 i'm like what fucking reality do i live
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: in right now and there's like all these other actors
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: and i won't say their names because i don't think
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: it's ever been public that they were actually there but
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: it was like it was like the vanity fair fucking
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: party of like, we're up there. I'm visiting my girlfriend
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: with the writer of like 10 things I hate about you, Karen.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And then, um, she was the head of vanity fair
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: and now she's got a big job at Netflix. And
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: so I'm like sitting there like the fuck Brittany's got
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: her bobbed wig and breast pumping in the corner. And
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? So anyways, I,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I had spent some time with her there and, um,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: years later, Larry ran into me and I had broken
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: up with my girlfriend that I was with when, when
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: she was their roommates. And Larry's like, Hey, you know, um,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: do you want to like, Brittany's having a, uh, a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: barbecue at her house. And she lived up on like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Mulholland estate. It's funny. I still, I saved actually the,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: the little pass you get when you go in there.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Cause I just thought it was so fucking weird.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: And I found it when I, when I moved recently,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, this is the past type thing. And, uh,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: so I go up there thinking I'm going to a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: barbecue and it's, Just me and her. Like, I got, like, trapped.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: What year is this around?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: 12, probably 2012. That's probably the last time I actually
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: spoke to her and stuff. And I, it was so awkward.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: She probably thinks I'm gay. Because, like, I was just,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I just, like, there was, obviously, I think she probably
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to hook up. But I just was, like, so
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: weird about it.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I just left. I just fucking left. And there was, like,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: a garage door opener they gave me that, like, had
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: opened all the gates. And she just gave it to me.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: which is probably a security breach when you're britney spears
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: type thing so i like i got out and like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: her bodyguard who i'd known for years i think it
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: was rob at the time he's like see you later
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: and uh i go do you need this he goes
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: she gave that to you yeah he goes let me
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: take that and i don't think i ever heard from
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: her again after that and that was that was it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: that was it and that was i remember she had
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: to go film how i met your mother the next
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: day so that would that would the date.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: What was crazy is she killed it in those sitcoms.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: She was awesome.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: She was great. She was awesome. What do you think
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: about now when you see her Instagram, post book?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll just put it out there because ABC has
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: been pushing me to try to get a Britney Spears
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: interview because they think like an actual reporter, like a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Diane Sawyer or something like that, it wouldn't work. They
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: want someone unconventional like me. So they're like, if you
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: can facilitate that. So we would love to facilitate an
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: interview with her where she controls the interview top to bottom.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't, I haven't, I haven't had any
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: contact with her in like over a decade. So it's like,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you don't, Things happen in people's lives. You know, there's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: obviously a lot that happens in a decade. I'm not
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: the same person I was when I saw her in
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: rehab in 2010, and I can't imagine she's the same person.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: My own personal thing is I think people reach a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: breaking point when you're in the public eye like that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: for so long. And I think even when I knew
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: her years and years and years and years ago, her
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: reality is so different from our reality. her reality is
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: so different from almost other celebrities because she, from a very,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: very young age, is the earner and the boss to adults,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: which totally fucks your, because when you're a child, the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: adult is the person in power. It's the person you respect.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: But when you're 18 years old and you're paying for
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: 25 people's salary and you realize that, then it's like, well,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: why are you telling me to do what I want
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: to do? I think she's at a point where And
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the whole Free Britney thing, I don't know if that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: was a good or bad thing. It's really not my
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: place to say. But I think she was just fucking
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: tired of being controlled by everyone and tired of being
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: the moneymaker. And if I want to dance in my
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: room all fucking day long and put it on social media, again,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: her reality is not our reality. she's not really probably
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: paying attention. People are like, oh my God, she looks crazy.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Did you see her dancing with knives?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no comments also. She has no comments. She
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: just sees the likes and the views.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: She doesn't give a fuck.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: And that is sort of beautiful in its own way
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: because someone like her is... always judged from what she
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: looks like to what she's doing. Oh, her teeth look different. Oh, this,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: that like no one. And that was sort of even
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: coming back to the Baywatch actors.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the teeth though, I want to say, yeah,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: because that is something that, you know, conspiracy theories were like,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: it's not her or whatever. I think it's always been her.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: She took a fucking retainer out.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: But I think the teeth moved.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Just retainer. She probably had a wire.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Some people say the teeth are, could be.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: Um, Are they filed way down?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: They just have spaces. But they still are like white
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: and like look okay. They're just not together.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I feel it's either you have bonds or you had
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: a wire in them. Because a lot of people have
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: a wire in their bottom or upper teeth that keep
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: them together forever. And she probably just doesn't give a fuck.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: If you're a little kid and you have spaces and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: you get braces to put your teeth together and then
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: you don't wear your retainer to keep them there, they'll
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: spread back out.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Also, too, if you look at even, look at like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: pretty actors, even male ones, they get tired of being
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: told they're pretty.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And the most beautiful people often rebel against being beautiful.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: That's why I have the beard. Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And well, it's just, you don't give a fuck. Like
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: you look at Jared Leto in his younger career, the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: dude is like as pretty as a woman, but he
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: would always fight it like fight club. He plays this
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: weird guy that gets the shit kicked out of him
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: that has bleach blonde hair. You know, he, he would
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: always have choices to play against type. And I think
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: people like, Britney Spears they've just been so sexualized their
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: whole lives that you know what fuck it I got
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: space between my teeth if I want to fix it
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I can fix it and if I don't who cares.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I have a couple more questions before I forget there's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: a part in the show where on your 16th birthday
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: they present you with this car.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: That a rocket ship did you see that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Thing so was it a real car.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: You know in the recovery program you gotta work on
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: these resentments right this one I just can't let go
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: of man David Hasselhoff gives me this super car on
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: my 16th birthday.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: So it's like a red convertible?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: E-Entertainment come down to cover it, and it gives me
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: a giant gift box with a smaller box inside, with
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: a smaller box inside, with a smaller box inside, until
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: I get down to this little box and just drew
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: it out on E-Entertainment. Look at David Hasselhoff, such a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: caring guy, such a loving guy. Here's this car for
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: my 16th birthday of my TV son. I'm the best dad,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: and I never got the car. I'm still waiting for
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: the car.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: So wait, so you took a photo with it and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: then what? A video.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: They did a whole segment on it on ET.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: But where did the car go after the cameras left?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: Ask David, man. I just never got it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: But when they did the whole thing, then you were like.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: They raffled it off.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: The story goes.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Then did you go, oh, well, can I drive it home?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: And they're like, what?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: The story goes, they wanted to build me a custom
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: one that was a little safer than that one that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: had a roll bar in it.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: And then the company went bankrupt before they finished the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: car and we never got the car.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: But, you know, is that an excuse not to get
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: me some other car?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: I didn't get my driver's license until I was 24.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: That's how long I waited for David Hasselhoff to give
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: me a freaking car. I swear. Hand to God.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: The other thing I was going to ask is, let
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: me just get your guys' opinion on everything that's happening
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: with P. Diddy and Justin Bieber.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: All I see is dildos and baby oil. That's dominated
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: the news cycle.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: Is it baby oil?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Baby oil and dildos. 784 dildos?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: I saw all the oil, but the oil looked a
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: little yellow and baby oil was clear. I'm very curious
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: as to what kind it is.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know that we've actually seen a bottle of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: the actual, what brand it was, but that's what was
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: in the report.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: All the guys that went down, you know, me coming
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: here in the early 2000s at like 20 years old,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: we knew those guys were bad. Like everyone knew. You know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Russell Simmons went down. Everyone knew. Everyone knew that P.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Diddy was doing shit. Maybe not to the extent, but
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: you knew that there was bad shit going on.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: With women and men? Because you being in the modeling industry.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's always the rumors of, oh, so-and-so's gay, so-and-so's gay,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: this actor's gay. And then that was at the time
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: where you had gay bookers and stuff like that where
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: they would just say everyone was gay. You're like, oh, well,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: they say everybody's gay. So you don't really believe it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: But I mean, those rumors... Everyone knew. I mean, everyone
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: knew what you were getting into with Harvey Weinstein if
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: you got invited. Like, no one didn't know. It was
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: just unsaid. And these people were making money for the industry. So,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: you know, the industry normally hides these people until they
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: can't any longer. And then when they can't any longer,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: you get eaten quickly. Right. But, I mean, if some
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: random fucking kid from Wisconsin knows danger, danger, danger, danger,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: trust me, people a little bit higher up in the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: industry know as well.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: So as a good-looking young model male, though you're straight,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: were you invited to parties?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I used to get invited. I mean, I was talking
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: to my wife the other night, and we were actually
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: talking about the P. Diddy thing, and I was like, again,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: just being fucking stupid with my movie. I had been
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: so close to really bad shit happening and being completely
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: oblivious that it was even there. You go to these parties,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: and because I was sort of innocent, I never did drugs.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I never really drank. I was sort of like the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: fly on the wall that liked to see everything, but
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be in control all the time. But
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, really sketchy shit. Like I used to cater
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: when I didn't have any money. When I first moved here,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I used to cater for a company and they used
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: to send me to not just cater. I'd do like
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the door for like these real sort of high profile,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: like gay men, um, and, and do the door and stuff.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: What do you mean do the door?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Like, basically just be the guy at the front. Be like, oh,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: you can come in. You can come in. You can
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: come in. Like, with a clipboard of, like, names.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, got it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: And really, everyone can come in. They just want you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: standing up front. Right. So the party looks good. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: But some of the shit that ended up going down
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: at those parties, because I would just do my thing
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: and take my money and I'd go home. But, like,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: if you stayed a little later, that's when the bad
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: shit happened. And, yeah, I mean, I have been that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: close to... to, you know, sort of like a Diddy
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: type experience with numerous high profile people, but just actually
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: not realizing it's happening until years later when they go
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: down for something else, you're.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Like, oh. Can you explain like a little bit of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: like where you didn't really realize like that you were,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: you know, in this position or that you were being
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: like secretly propositioned and you just were like too naive
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: to see it?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I did a, I did a funny, like
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: this is 20 years before I even lived in Malibu. Um,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I was to do a party for a really high
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: music executive. Um, and his friend who's a, who was
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: a big music manager who died, um, very well known,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: openly gay, powerful men. And yeah, that party was fucking yuck. Like, like,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: like gross. But I saw it sort of start to happen,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: but I'm just like, these are just gay guys, you know, they,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: they like men and like whatever I don't. So I'm
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: going to go home and, They're going to do their thing.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: No judgment. Like it is what it is. But then
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: the non-consensual, like if you want to do weird shit
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: and it's two consensual adults.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: It's not my business. But when it's underage.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: And you saw some of that.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like, and I don't know how underage these
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: people were, but they definitely were like bridging 18. And
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: these men were, you know, 70, 60s, which is weird. And,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I used to see it with straight guys too.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: You know, same thing. It's just we were not, I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: think by mid-2000s we were a little bit more aware,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: but I think early 2000s, I think even like with,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: you know, Nicole and the Scott situation, you know, it
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: was technically probably consensual, but Nicole's underage. That's the problem.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: But Scott's generation, that was happening all the time. I mean,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: if you look at like, I've seen like online, they
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: put like performers like Mick Jagger dated a 14-year-old when
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: he was 30. Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: Jerry Lee Lewis.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: It's not correct, but it was somehow accepted. And I think...
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: you know, there's these generation as things change, they don't.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: And they're like, what do you mean? I was dating
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: a 14 year old when I was 20. No one
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: gave a shit. It was fine.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Right. But it's not, it's just that people used to
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: turn a blind eye to it and they don't anymore.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: And I think even in the early two thousands, you're
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: aware that it's wrong, but you're like, I don't know.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's just how Hollywood is. That's what you, that's
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: just what it is. That's just what you do. Right.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Cause I remember there were photographers that I, that, you know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: we were, we worked with that, mine never had an
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: issue with that got me to and canceled some of
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: the best photographers in the world. Um, they were incredible,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: super respectful. But if you were a straight guy and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: you were willing to do whatever it took to get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: the cover or get the campaign or whatever, we can
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: maybe happen. That's probably why I wasn't very successful. Um, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Same thing.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Didn't polish enough knobs, you know, the.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Thing with the girls, you know, and I'm like, yeah,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I look at like some other people, um, That I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: came up with that were funny women too. And they had,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: you know, boyfriends and things that helped, were powerful or
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: write them into things and stuff. And I just never,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: that just wasn't the path I had.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't even fault the people that do because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the people that do, they
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: are in the relationship. I don't either. in their mind
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: they like this person for that amount of time and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: they're helping them go to the next level and whatever.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: If it's consensual and you're two adults, I don't care.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: There can be a 40-year age gap. You're still adults.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: It is what it is type thing. But I just
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: think that Hollywood for the longest time sort of just
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: got away with the hall pass and be like, well,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: that's just how it is. Like if you want to
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: work with this guy, just kind of how it is.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll work for you. Maybe it won't. But if
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: you do a little extra– you're probably going to do
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: better type thing.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that always bothers me about sexual harassment, what,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: you know, from the most innocent level to the worst
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood is not the people that play along and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: it helps. It's the people that maybe didn't play along.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: And then you're like blackballed and they're, or they're nerd
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: or they just, They hit on you and they are
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: afraid that now you're going to share that story so
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: they're going to make sure you're never.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: In a room of powerful people to share the story.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: That's the part that pisses me off the most.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I never, when someone hit on you, I'm
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: always flattered. Gay or straight, you know? It's always like, oh,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: that's nice. I'm just, not for me, but thanks.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Right, right. But there's been cases where it's like, like with,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: you know, Louis C.K. jacking off in front of women
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: that didn't ask to be jacked off in front of.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: And.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: That's a little awkward.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: And, yeah, and I.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: I really liked him, too, and it gave me a really...
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God, he's such a smart comic, and seeing the....
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: The thing that pissed me off most about that whole
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: thing is that the girls that, you know, that it
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: happened to after this comedy festival thing, and they were like...
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: They were literally like, is this a joke, and that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: it's happening, and they had each other, and they left.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: It was like they could not get a job after
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: that as comedy writers, and I was like, that's because.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: He was afraid what he saw.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, I don't want these girls telling
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: this story of what a creep I was because he
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: realized they weren't happy about it and they weren't really
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: participatory and cool with it. So then he was like, oh,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I misjudged that one. Let's make sure this story never
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: gets out. And that's what bothers me the most about, hey,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: if you sleep with the person willingly and get the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: part and then go, great, I never have to sleep
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: with another gross person again because now everyone sees my
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: talent and off we go.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Fine, use your sexuality. Use it as long as you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: chose to use it.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: They realize it is a powerful thing. I mean, yeah,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just, there are things, you know,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: there's things that I've seen that, you know, you could
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: say and you could probably really hurt someone's, you know,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: credibility or whatever. But the fact of the matter is
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: it's like, I hold on to it. It happened. There's
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: no reason to hurt someone because they hurt you 30
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: years ago type thing. I always find out that any
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: of these people that are, you know, quote unquote bad people,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: it always comes to the surface. It's just, it may
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: not be your story. Cause trust me, they did it
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: to you. They did it to five other people and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: strengthen numbers that one of the five is going to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: come forward. And if you get a me too moment,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: all five are going to come forward. Maybe 25 will
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: come forward.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I, any stories I tell, whether
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: it be Brittany and rehab or stuff like that, those
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: are not, damning stories. I mean, everyone knows that she
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: was there. I just happened to be there, which I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: thought was bizarre.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: Would you guys be okay with me jacking off in
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: front of you right now? I'm just thinking about what
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: kind of mind enjoys jacking off in front of people
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: that don't want to be jacked off in front of?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: People are weird. It's a weird power thing. Who knows? Well, listen,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: on that note.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: On publicly masturbation.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: It wasn't enough. I just, it wasn't enough.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: After Baywatch 4 episodes on Hulu now, you can stream it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Is there anything else? Where can people follow you? What
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: else do you have coming up?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I'm at a stage where
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing next, if anything.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I may just fuck around and be a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: dad in Malibu and have some kids and call it
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: a day because I... Overworked myself for the past five years.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Jeremy's got his retreats. You can follow him. Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Jackson fitness. I just created Instagram because of this.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't have Instagram prior to this. So I have one,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: but it's not worth following.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: I thought I was going to get rich making a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: documentary about the guy who lost $ 4 million on a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: Baywatch documentary. I'm almost bummed it's doing so well because
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: I was like, dude, that's the documentary. You're eating out
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: of trash cans. What in the world made you think
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: that this cheesy show was going.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: To do well? I do appreciate your kind of explaining
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: because until there was streaming, I never really saw a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: lot of documentaries. There'd be a documentary like Oscar thing
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: and I'd be sitting at home as a 15-year-old and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, where do people even watch these documentaries? Whatever.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: Now we all watch them. Now we're all experts on them.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of value to them.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: But so many times I'd be watching them and they'd
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: be going on for years and years and years and
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: I would wonder... who is paying for this? Where is
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: this person staying at the hotel? How are they following,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: how are they capturing all this?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I think the actors didn't realize because they
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: just thought it was, I'm like, guys, who the fuck
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: do you think, every time I roll a camera, it's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: like at least five, it's between five and $ 30, 000. If
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: it's Carmen Electra who has like hair and makeup team,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: you're not paying her, but you have to pay for
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: her deal. And I go, where do you think, like,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: the money comes from? You think it just falls from
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: the fucking sky? Like, we can't fuck these up. Like,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: if you want to do this interview, I need to
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: know what the story is and you need to be
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: on today because we're not doing it again.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I don't think people realize that, you know,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: these things are labors of love and, you know, even
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: though Baywatch is a commercial, probably safer subject, no one's
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: getting rich doing these things. Yeah. Nobody's getting rich. I mean,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: we heard, like, One of my friends overheard at the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: rap party, or not rap party, the premiere party, of
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: how much I sold this for. And it was some, like,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: ridiculous fucking number.
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  Speaker 3: So it wasn't correct.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that would be fucking great. But no,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: not even close. Like, put a minus in front of it,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: you know? But, you know, I probably could have made
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a profit on this if I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: would have done a different route and sold the territory
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: rather than all world. Or if you would have talked trash.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: on everybody well no not that I don't think that
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: would enhance it I just think I wanted the actors
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: to get the bang for their buck and I wanted
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: myself to get my bang for the buck I mean
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: they put in a couple million dollars of print advertising
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: for this yeah which you don't really get in documentary
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: yeah and they were really behind this and they really
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: promoted it and Disney was it was the the best
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: deal for everybody um maybe not financially but if you're
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: going in a documentary to make money you're going to
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: the wrong business to start with right um But to
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: be able to sell a product, not only a 90-minute movie,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: but to be able to sell a self-funded four-part series
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: that had zero distributor and zero pre-sale from the beginning
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: to someone that's never done this before, who sold it
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: by himself to Disney, it's like a lottery ticket. I mean,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: it's like my friends that are in the film business,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: the big agents are like, oh, dude, we should do
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: this documentary.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: I go, dude.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: My business model is the worst fucking business model you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: could ever... It doesn't work. It's literally just because I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't stop and because people kept trying to push me,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I just said, fuck it. There's no way we're going
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: to fail at this. I just refused to fail. And
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for Muriel Pearson at ABC News, who
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I had met just doing a free interview, I don't
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: think we would have had a deal.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: We love you, Muriel.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think we'd have a deal.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Well, this has been awesome. Everybody watch... I watch it.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: It's really interesting. It's really a cool piece of pop
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: culture history, TV history. So I think, you know, it'll
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: be interesting to watch if you're not over it. aware
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: And you don't even have to like Baywatch to watch it.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of human interest stories in it.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: It's very universal.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of like just a Hollywood story, basically.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thanks, guys.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: You deserve a treat.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.