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Aimee Mann · Podlandia: A-O Rewatch with Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Hey, you're listening to Podlandia.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Fred and I'm Carrie. This is AO Rewatch,
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  Speaker 2: AO Rewatch. This is a Portlandia Rewatch podcast.
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  Speaker 3: And today we have a very special guest, Amy Man.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Amy Man.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for being on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: I had a moment, even though I know how to
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  Speaker 3: pronounce both your first and last name, that right before,
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  Speaker 3: I just thought, what if I've been saying this wrong,
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  Speaker 3: even though two names that are you know, pretty straightforward. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's not a lot of variation, there's not, But I
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  Speaker 3: just I think it's just that anxiety, that presentation anxiety
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  Speaker 3: where you get that feeling like have I ever said
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  Speaker 3: these things together before?
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  Speaker 2: Relate?
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  Speaker 4: I have this, Uh, I have this fear all the
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  Speaker 4: time when introducing people that I'm going to forget their name,
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  Speaker 4: like including you know, my own husband, like that I
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  Speaker 4: will that I'll just blank on somebody's name.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like that's happened to me with Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: with people I know we're at like a social event
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  Speaker 3: or something. I go and then in the moment and
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  Speaker 3: I turned towards them and I've known them for years
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  Speaker 3: and I've known their name and it's just gone white clean. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great feeling.
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  Speaker 2: It's really good.
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  Speaker 4: And they like it too.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they feel seen.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if they notice, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think probably Yeah, that little hesitation, yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because I just try to like roll through it. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: thinking like no one will notice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm hoping people would just think I'm a little
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  Speaker 4: rude and not introducing everyone. Yes, and then hope that
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  Speaker 4: they jump in with their own name, which it did
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  Speaker 4: just happen and they rescued me by.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. Do you think they were aware that?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Probably, I think so. My hope is that people think
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing a bit as it's happening.
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  Speaker 3: So you have that advantage, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows that people might see you right through it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you were in this episode of Portlandia. Yes, the
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  Speaker 2: episode is called Amy. It's from our first season, and
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say you're so funny in it.
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  Speaker 2: You're thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't totally believe you, but I appreciate.
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  Speaker 3: My second saying, so now you don't believe two people,
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  Speaker 3: but you truly are funny. And by the way, this
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  Speaker 3: might be the only episode named after someone in one
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  Speaker 3: of the sketches.
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  Speaker 4: And it's it's it's a distinction. I didn't realize it
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  Speaker 4: was just my name, and I feel like, like, why
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  Speaker 4: not the cleaner or the you know, something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, although we do say your name a lot in
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  Speaker 3: the sketch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that sort of irritating, Like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: It was based on that. It was written based on
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  Speaker 2: an experience that Carrie had.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember you telling me about it. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 4: we were there, like that, this is a thing that
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  Speaker 4: really happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel I can't remember how like how we
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  Speaker 2: got you did We just text each other and you just.
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  Speaker 4: Kept and because we knew each other. Yeah, I think you.
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  Speaker 2: Just come up next week or something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing we've discussed since, but even at the time,
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  Speaker 3: and we all can relate to this as people who
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  Speaker 3: have worked and still work as musicians, is like it's
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  Speaker 3: a precarious career and industry. So in order, it was
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  Speaker 3: very hard to find someone who was actually doing well
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  Speaker 3: enough that they wouldn't they maybe wouldn't really be doing
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  Speaker 3: a job like being cleaner at the time, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: also be you know, like well they also you know,
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  Speaker 3: walk dogs, or they're also doing you know, because that
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  Speaker 3: is the life of being a musician. So it's like
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  Speaker 3: we didn't want to sort of expose someone to their
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  Speaker 3: own like vulnerabilities or insecurities. It was like, well, who's
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  Speaker 3: doing well enough? Or like they're in on the joke
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  Speaker 3: and but also in on the comment about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the state of art in our country. But we we
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  Speaker 3: had it was like I remember us thinking like who
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  Speaker 3: fits the bill?
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  Speaker 4: I really want to know what your short list was? Now,
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  Speaker 4: like who who else you know? And also like who
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  Speaker 4: might not get offended at the idea of playing, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, somebody's cleaning houses.
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  Speaker 2: We had a couple of in later seasons musician things
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  Speaker 2: that we offered that the musicians were a little hesitant
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  Speaker 2: and some said no because it seemed like we were
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  Speaker 2: making fun of them.
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  Speaker 3: Which sketches I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tricky one. There was the Flaming Lips one,
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  Speaker 2: the joke being that sometimes bands become two bands, and
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  Speaker 2: it's so and so and his backing band fighting with
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  Speaker 2: each other, and there were some man's we reached out to.
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  Speaker 2: It cuts a little too close to yes. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: Flaming Lips were together in a way that they could
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  Speaker 2: pretend to be broken up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I think the first time we felt
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  Speaker 3: that where we didn't want people to think that we
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  Speaker 3: were making fun of house cleaners or musicians just sort
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  Speaker 3: of speak. First of all, we're making fun of the
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  Speaker 3: friend and carry characters, but we are also just the
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  Speaker 3: precarity of trying to trying to make money for music
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  Speaker 3: could easily put you in that situation. Many of my
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  Speaker 3: musician friends have second jobs, so it's it's pretty relatable.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember if we I mean, it's it's obvious
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  Speaker 2: that we're improvising, But was any of it scripted? The
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  Speaker 2: situations that we were you're cleaning, I think it was all.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was almost all improv But I like,
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  Speaker 4: I remember going in, I was like, tell me exactly
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  Speaker 4: what to do if I like, I'm happy if you
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  Speaker 4: give me an exact line reading. I don't you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to be funny. That is a goal,
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  Speaker 4: so I don't care how I get there. And and
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  Speaker 4: I think that you know, it was it was just
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  Speaker 4: set up a situation, you know, like you're going to
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  Speaker 4: be cleaning here, and then I come in and I
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  Speaker 4: have like the little I should have rewatched it like
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  Speaker 4: the sweater that drunk and you know, but I think
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  Speaker 4: we did mostly improvise, but I probably asked you guys
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  Speaker 4: for should you know I should we do it again?
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  Speaker 4: And should I say you know, should I say it
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  Speaker 4: differently or how you know? Because I totally trusted I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is also the only reason I did it is
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  Speaker 4: that I totally trusted your comedic instincts and was like,
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  Speaker 4: they will not let me not be funny, because that's
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  Speaker 4: the whole point is to make it funny, Like it
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  Speaker 4: would reflect badly on you if I was just like
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  Speaker 4: stiff and weird.
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  Speaker 2: And not funny. Yeah, And also I feel like you're
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  Speaker 2: naturally funny anyway. It's like, you know, we've hung out enough.
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  Speaker 4: That, thank you, I don't necessarily I think that if, if,
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  Speaker 4: and when I ever am funny, it is because I've
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  Speaker 4: hung out with comedians for like two decades and just
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  Speaker 4: like you just pick up you pick up stuff that
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  Speaker 4: I know, you know what I'm talking about, Like you
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  Speaker 4: pick up little things that, especially with civilians, make you
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  Speaker 4: look hilarious. But like it's you know, just like a
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  Speaker 4: tone of voice or a specific emphasis on a certain thing,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's like enough to get by, which is good,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like that's I'm I'm really happy being comedy
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  Speaker 4: adjacent and occasionally being thought of a funny because I
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  Speaker 4: do really admire you know. I mean I've seen you
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  Speaker 4: know most more Fred, but like I've seen you backstage
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  Speaker 4: just riffing with like Paula Tompkins, and you know, just
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  Speaker 4: like watching you pick up a thing that's in the
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  Speaker 4: ether and grabbing onto it and noticing specific details. It's
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  Speaker 4: like a real you know, and it's sort of a
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  Speaker 4: use of language, like it really does remind me a
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  Speaker 4: lot of songwriting. But but it's like on the spot
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  Speaker 4: and I can't I can't do that, and it's I
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  Speaker 4: really admire it, so yeah, you know, like to be
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  Speaker 4: near it and just try to pick it up by osmosis.
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  Speaker 2: But it really worked. There was there's one part that's
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  Speaker 2: very convincing where we accuse you of stealing, right, and
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  Speaker 2: it's the way that you were defending yourself that actually
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  Speaker 2: sounded like the real you because it was believable. It
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  Speaker 2: was so clear that you didn't steal I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what it was, jewelry or something, and you're like, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't steal anything.
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  Speaker 3: Had you done any like sketch or acting before this,
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  Speaker 3: like what was your I think I did a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I think acting is really hard. I find it really
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  Speaker 4: hard to not be self conscious when there are.
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  Speaker 2: Lines.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like the stiffest reader of lines. I just can't
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  Speaker 4: do it. So the only thing I can do is
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  Speaker 4: like how would I say that? Like how would I
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  Speaker 4: praise this? And improvised a little bit. But I just
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  Speaker 4: think it's really hard, Like I I I don't really
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  Speaker 4: like it because it's I don't think you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I'm good at it, Like I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I just can't be like un self conscious enough. It's
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  Speaker 4: really hard to just disappear into like a character or
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  Speaker 4: a scene.
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  Speaker 3: You are such a natural. And I do think that
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  Speaker 3: for some people improv is really difficult. Like we had
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  Speaker 3: some actors that came on the show you didn't have
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  Speaker 3: an improv background, and we would they would see the
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  Speaker 3: scripts in advance, and especially in the first three or
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  Speaker 3: four seasons, we didn't adhere to the scripts at all,
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  Speaker 3: so they would take the job based on the material
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  Speaker 3: and then they would shove to set and Jonathan, our director,
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  Speaker 3: would just be like, great, let's throw it away and
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  Speaker 3: they were like, wow, you just pulled the rag out
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  Speaker 3: from underneath me, and we were always which is you know,
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  Speaker 3: slightly unfair. We probably should have given them a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a heads up and then everyone everyone was fine.
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  Speaker 3: But I felt like for me also coming from you know,
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  Speaker 3: not a trained actor necessarily and having I have that
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  Speaker 3: same difficult sometimes difficulty sometimes when I have lines, like,
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  Speaker 3: I really liked the freedom of improv that, like I
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  Speaker 3: could sort of back my way into the character and
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  Speaker 3: the lines felt more natural because it essentially I just
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  Speaker 3: had the parameters of what I needed the objective in
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  Speaker 3: the scene. But how I got there, Yeah, verbally was
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  Speaker 3: kind of up to me. And you're sort of naturally
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  Speaker 3: playing off what someone else is saying without being confined
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  Speaker 3: to like us.
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  Speaker 4: That really helps. Yeah, So to have other people you're
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  Speaker 4: you're dealing with really helps. And also just to like
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  Speaker 4: I'm playing myself with which I more let's know, what
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  Speaker 4: I would say in a certain situation. So but like
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  Speaker 4: any kind of I do, of doing any sort of character,
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  Speaker 4: so it's out of it's out of bounds.
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  Speaker 2: One of the parts of the sketch were that we
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  Speaker 2: were sort of smashing, you know, ripping pictures of people
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  Speaker 2: or like that Sarah MacLaughlin pinata it's based on I
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  Speaker 2: forgot that. It's it's based on someone I know who
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  Speaker 2: had that happened to her where her manager at the
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  Speaker 2: time smashed the CD of someone who had a similar
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  Speaker 2: name to her. She was she was like, why are
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  Speaker 2: you doing that? Have you has that has anything similar
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  Speaker 2: to that ever happened to you?
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  Speaker 4: That's insane, that's insane, like somebody, I'm gonna demonstrate my
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  Speaker 4: my loyalty to you as an artist by trashing some
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  Speaker 4: other artists or and such a weird that's so weird, it's.
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  Speaker 2: So weird, weird it makes everyone uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Or I guess have you felt like a shift
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  Speaker 3: from like sort of a scarcity mindset where you know,
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  Speaker 3: it felt like for a while, like and then in
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  Speaker 3: the nineties where it was just like, well we can
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  Speaker 3: only have one female led you know artist on this
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  Speaker 3: bill or at this festival. Doesn't feel like that now,
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  Speaker 3: have you have you felt because that's kind of a
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  Speaker 3: version of.
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  Speaker 4: That, right right, Yeah, where the girls all have to
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  Speaker 4: claw each other's eyes out to get to get billing. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean sure, you know when I started that was
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  Speaker 4: that was it, like, you you couldn't be considered to
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  Speaker 4: open for a female artist because like we can't have
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  Speaker 4: two talking dogs on the same bill. That was kind
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  Speaker 4: of the attitude, and you know, I thought it was ridiculous,
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  Speaker 4: but like, dudes are the ones making the decisions. It
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  Speaker 4: was really strange. Yeah, now it's all ladies. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: too many ladies. There's no male singer songwriters anymore, or
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  Speaker 4: maybe there aren't. I just don't. I just can't see them.
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  Speaker 4: I was told at A and M that when I
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  Speaker 4: was shopping my first solo record that they couldn't sign
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  Speaker 4: because they already had a female singer songwriter Joel Crow.
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  Speaker 4: They had one.
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  Speaker 3: They had one. Yeah we got one. Yeah, yeah, fastly
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  Speaker 3: have another.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's such such a the novelty of it.
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  Speaker 3: But it was hard to like your point of like
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  Speaker 3: hearing a story of you know, someone ripping up a
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  Speaker 3: you know, picture of another woman in front of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it does reed a sense of competition unnecessarily,
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  Speaker 3: and just you sort of internalize that sexism because you're like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I guess there's just one spot, so now all these
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  Speaker 3: other women are my enemy, and that instead of like
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  Speaker 3: coming together and being like how can we fight this,
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  Speaker 3: which eventually happened, whether it was like Riot Girl or
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  Speaker 3: Little Affair, all the ways that women found means of
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  Speaker 3: joining together, like you're just instinct immediately as like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I have to vanquish all the all of my enemies.
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  Speaker 3: And that was sort of the system that was kind
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  Speaker 3: of built up for us, and it was it was hard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't think I ever did I
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  Speaker 4: feel competitive. I don't know, not really. I think I
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  Speaker 4: think all my iyre was reserved for a label conver stations,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you you would be like, why aren't
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  Speaker 4: you supporting my record? And it's like, well, radio won't
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  Speaker 4: play X y Z. And I'm like, well what about
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  Speaker 4: ten thousand maniacs who were getting played? Well that's different
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  Speaker 4: because of this, I'm like, well what about Tracy Chapman,
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  Speaker 4: Like well that's different. There was always like the exception,
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  Speaker 4: like why they didn't want to, you know, spend their
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  Speaker 4: resources supporting your record, right, That's like I mean I
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  Speaker 4: never said like fuck ten thousand maniacs, but no.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny that they always had like a.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always an exception.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I was lucky because
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  Speaker 3: I just ended up in a music scene that was
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  Speaker 3: highly matriarchal. So we just it's sort of set ourselves
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  Speaker 3: apart from that industry. But yeah, there's there's ways of
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  Speaker 3: dealing with it or turning your eye or towards Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the labels who are sort of setting those rules, or
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  Speaker 3: the radio stations or whomever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wonderfully like the opposite happened where because
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  Speaker 2: you were you know, all throughout your career really in
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  Speaker 2: my estimation big So I wonder if you were ever
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  Speaker 2: the example of like well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, she's different because of yeah, probably Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think there's just like a lack
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  Speaker 4: of vision to see how you know, listen, if you're
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  Speaker 4: a guy and you're not listening, you're a guy at
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  Speaker 4: a record label, you're in the marketing department, and you
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  Speaker 4: don't listen to female artists, then you just throw like
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  Speaker 4: nobody listens to female artists, so like, yeah, you're not
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  Speaker 4: the target audience. Maybe ask around anyway. That's why I
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  Speaker 4: started putting on my own records because I never wanted
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  Speaker 4: to have those dumb conversations ever.
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  Speaker 2: Again, wait, which record was the beginning of you putting
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  Speaker 2: out your own.
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  Speaker 4: Records Bachelor number two.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have three records on one was on
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  Speaker 4: a Mago and then two were on Geffen.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Now I can't remember. No, I think I just had
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  Speaker 4: two records on one one and one on Amago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then left and.
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  Speaker 3: Who distributes the physical media?
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  Speaker 4: We kind of distribution deal. And I have had my
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  Speaker 4: own label and you know, now it's like a different
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  Speaker 4: situation obviously, but no, we have a distributor.
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  Speaker 2: Are you the only artist on that label? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to sign other people. I mean that was
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  Speaker 4: this was kind of late nineties, early two thousands, and
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to because I felt like shared resources, like
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  Speaker 4: I have a distribution deal, which is really hard to get.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we can you know, we have a publicist too, can,
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  Speaker 4: And like people just didn't want to leave their labels.
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  Speaker 4: You know. It was kind of like, well I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: all right here. So yeah, it was hard to get
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  Speaker 4: people to jump ship. I guess nobody was as mad
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  Speaker 4: as me.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, are there like people who like do
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  Speaker 2: all the like work work part of it, like all
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  Speaker 2: the sort of you know for running your label, like
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  Speaker 2: the are you like completely well you.
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  Speaker 4: Hired out, you know, like I mean, because things have
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  Speaker 4: changed so much, Like I almost don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it almost doesn't. It's not even applicable.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, in the early days, like you hire
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  Speaker 4: like the independent radio promoter and get you know, and
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  Speaker 4: then he goes to radio stations. So like whatever is
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  Speaker 4: on the staff of a label, like it really isn't
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  Speaker 4: rocket science, you know. At at that point it was
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: you know, you try to make a video and get
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: it on MTV, go on tour, have a PR person
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: to you know, get you on TV shows and do
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: press and stuff. So you know, like we did really
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: well just tiring those people out.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Man. No, I don't know what the kids do. I
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: don't know. You have a booking agent for your live style?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Have you had to change the nature of your tours?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Like have you scaled back or you tour bus van?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I tour on a bus and I don't tour a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: lot just because I can't really Like after about three weeks,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: three and a half weeks, I just it's just too
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I just start to lose my shit.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's just too.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Unnatural too, you know, I mean it's not super comfortable either,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: because if you're in a bus, then you know, you
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: have the day room that you share with like eight nine,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: ten other people waiting in line to take a shower.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for people who don't know what a day room is, basically,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: if you're on a bus tour, the bus travels after
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the show during the night, you arrive in the next
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: town and you go to what's called a day room.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: If you have a lot of money, everyone gets their
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: own dayroom, so it's like you get to check in
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: at eight am, you know, seven am. But most artists,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: including myself, we share day rooms. So you have, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: two double beds where you nap, often with someone else.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's just all those things that you
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: think you're going to, you know, move past as you
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: get older, Like, yeah, I don't just like have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: share a bed or have any version of a slumber
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: party anymore. It's like I'll just wake up with one
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: of my bandmates sleeping next to me who's gotten off
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: the bus later than I did. And then you're waiting
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: for the shower, and which is better than showering at
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the venue, you know, because.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: I won't shower. Yeah, I know it's too gross.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Which people do, and if you can't afford day rooms
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: then that's that's definitely where you shower.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a nice shower once in a while, Yes,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like a venue.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I've taken one venue shower.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Mostly I'm like, you know what, I'm probably okay, Like.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just it's the floor part.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Which is floor part. It's the floor part.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It's gross. I love touring so much, but I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that it's newer to me. Like you guys have both
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: had it in your lives for so long, and I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: never had that opportunity in the nineties because we were
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: in advance. So for me now it's very glamorous and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like whoa rock and roll to it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: But like, finally, yeah, finally I get to sleep in
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: a bunk with nine other men sleeping with.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's this awareness when you're not I never
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: get quality sleep. I am there's I am aware the
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: whole night. There's just this little part of my brain
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that's still just like cognizant of you know, the bus
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: or like I'll just kind of tune back and I'm like, oh,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: now we're going through the mountains. You know, you sleep
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but I wouldn't say it's deep.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So you sleep in interrupted chunks, yeah, which is not
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: good for you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And depending on the bus.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: On the bus we just had just had a weird top,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: heavy fuel, so it's very sway like it really swayed
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: even if you were on the bottom bunk, Like why
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: is it swaying so much? And so if there was
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: any like backing up or curves or turns or.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Like, you just like, oh I don't like that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, how do I brace myself?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So I don't like, you know, turn it over? How
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: do people not fall out because it's just a curve?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I actually don't know either. People have also sometimes newer
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: couples will decide that they want to share a bunk,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: which to me is shucking.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: No, It's like that's impossible.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It's basically a very cod size.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: That's a terrible idea for every everyone.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. We had one of our last
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: bus drivers who had to let go based on this incident.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So you're supposed to raise the bus, so when they park,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: they sort of lower the hydraulics lower for just you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: whatever parking, it's easier to get it on and off,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: but when you you raise it again for that comfort.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: So he forgot to raise it. And so we were
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: so close to the road and I was catching air
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: in my bunk really like very intensely. So we're I mean,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: we all woke up with like pretty severe like neck
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: pain because it was just like floating and anyway.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Did you like come out? And like we were texting you.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: We were texting each other like what's going on? Like
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: we were like, yes, it's just a really bumpy road,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: that's the thing. Like you just imbue these people with
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: all his power and you just assume, like, well, they
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing. He's a bus driver, you know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: He d a bus driver, was falling asleep, and it
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: was discovered because our drummer like got up in the
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: middle of the night and.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Like peeked in.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: He was like sawing O jesus, I know. And then
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: instead of like telling the dray manager, the drummer was like, well,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I just need to stay up all night and talk
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: to him and keep him away.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Like so the drum.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Trying to play shows and he was exhausted. And it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: fun to be on tour.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It's really fun, really relaxing, you live for the show,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: That's what I'll say. You live for the show, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: then I always wish I could teleport home after every show.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: But this stuff, it is, it accumulates, right like it
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: wears you down. So yeah, that's why like three weeks
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to me is also about the maximum I can be
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: on tour because by then I'm exhausted. Even the best
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: sleep is still the worst sleep at home, you know, so, and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It's hard to like manage your I'm sorry this is
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: turned into tour talk, but I love hearing about it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I love hearing about other people's tours that complaints everything
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, managing same, I love it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You have a thread with a couple of different people
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: where I will take pictures of a bed backstage.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: It just send it to the thread.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: You know, like the steam cleaner that was like just
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: left out in the middle of the floor of the
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: dressing room, or like egregious dirt and smears, or like weird.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: You know, this is a classic where there's like it's
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: like a coffee machine but there's no coffee, or there's
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: coffee but there's no filters and there's definitely no cups,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and there'll be plates, but no forks, no, no spoons, no,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: not like it's that kind of thing.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a toilet that's like the bathroom is right there,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and then in order to get in the toilet, it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: on like.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: A's a weird lit platform.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like stepping up kind of hovering and then
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: having to hold the door shut. It's yeah, it's great.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of pride to in like really old
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: theaters and I'm so happy they still exist. But yeah, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the pipes and everything. And yeah, my friend Nino describing
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: being on tour on a bus, what bothered her was
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: hearing guys scratching their beards. She could hear them.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That's like misophon. You can get really annoyed by that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: It must be nice to have hearing here Jesus Christ
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: second here or anything.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Have you ever talked to people in bands who are
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: so successful but they don't even they're not even on
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: buses anymore. Yeah, flying together, they're just like, oh, yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that's the crew. Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I would enjoy that anymore either.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do fly annoying that hub and spoke, as
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that was called, you basically have a private plane. If
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: you're in the southeast, say that's where your tour is.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Your hub is Atlanta. Oh my god, you get on
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: your private plane.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, private plane, that's a whole different hit.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Sure, and then you fly to your show in North Carolina.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: You play, and then you fly back. So your stuff
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: is at a hotel for a week and you just
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: return after every show. I have not done that, but no,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: that's a very different way of touring. Or yeah, flying
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: from gig to gig, but flying commercial though, that can
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: be stressful. You know that, that's a.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Huge bumb Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I don't want There's no good way, is there, Like
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: just to be super super rich, Yeah, rich enough so
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: that you really don't have to tour.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it's just like a little added little income. Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I wonder what like the Las Vegas experiences.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Like the sphere, like.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: What then you have to stand one of those creepy
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: hotels where like the frosted windows because they won't let
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: you look outside.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Right then it's like airless And yeah, I mean I
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: think people like it for the consistency. It's like, Okay,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: we're going to move the family to Vegas for three months,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and you know it's less exhausting in one way, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I would find that insolerity like really disorienting after a while. Yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I would feel like a low grade nausea.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, same. I also don't know how i'd
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: feel like telling you guys about it with pride, like
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I was in Vegas for like three months, that it
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: would impress you. Nothing against people who make that decision,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But I don't have the same It's not the same
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: as saying, like I was in London, I.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Would be impressed with Vegas for finally leveling up.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: That's how nice.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Vegas is getting cool all all of a sudden,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I would think to myself, so I have judged Vegas unfairly.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I like that as a motto for Vegas. Vegas is getting.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Cool, Vegas is leveling up.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I know what you mean about like I would feel
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: a little silly even though that's gonna could happen. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: think if we cut to us ten years from now,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: this will be taking place in Vegas, this podcast, yeah, yeah,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: well happen. Let's make it happen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Live and a huge venue this yeah, these cameras and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: anything tremendous.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Getting back to Portlandia, let's discuss So Sarah McLaughlin shows
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: up at the end of this sketch, and it's curious,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: what was your Did you have a relationship or friendship
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: with Sarah before that?
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I I I had met her when she did
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: like the she did sort of like a test case
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: show because she was thinking about the Low Affair idea. So, like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: there was a show that was in you know, one
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: of those outdoor venues they call sheds, and I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Patti Smith was on me, Paul call Sarah and somebody
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: else who I can't remember. And so I met her
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: doing that show, and you know, and then she went
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: on to do Low Fair obviously, But yeah, I didn't
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: have like a lot of interaction besides that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And did you ever play Little Affair?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Way late?
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I was always a little bit like
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: a weird I wasn't asked to be a Little Affair
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because I did play the first one. I don't know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the criteria was. You know what,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: there's always an exception. Probably ten thousand manias got to play. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that's right, Natalie Merchant. You know I should make a
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Natalie Merchant pinata. Oh yeah, to do it right now?
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Thought we should have ended this episode. Yeah, we were
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised, like you had you and friend knew each other,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: and I feel like we were like, I think Amy
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: will get it. But with Sarah, you know, like I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: just was like, she's she's going to be able to
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Did she have a sense of humor about herself? And
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of course she does, but like at the time, her
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: reputation was, you know, just more earnest, you know, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: in a in a way I really respected. But you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: some people aren't up. We're kind of exposing to the
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: audience that like, hey, I'm in on the joke. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: it was there were so many musicians that came on
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the show that we loved the fact that they did
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that because people who we admire, but that they could
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: just separate that and be like, yeah, we get it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's hard.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I can do it, oh,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: like a tiny bit. And I really do think if
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: it had been anybody but you guys, I I would
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: have been like I would be cleaning houses.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: You try to make me look bad. It was night.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: The ending was good that you were playing the song
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and everything, and did we have to get the rights
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to it or anything.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we did.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess it wasn't that hard since I owned
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the rights to it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's how the sketch ended up, was going,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: thank thank you, thank you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Got that? That was that long? Encore that yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I will say, like the main thing that I one
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: of the things I really took away from that experience
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: was it was so fucking hard. Like you guys, it
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: was a long day. It was a really long day,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: and I was like, how do they fucking do this
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: day after day? I couldn't imagine. I was exhausted. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: was exhausted. I don't even know, like why. It's not
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: like the doing it. I don't know what it is
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: like is it the waiting around or early you're like
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: in a house because it's a little chilly.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, what what was it like when I went
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: back to the hotel, Like, holy shit, I can't imagine
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: doing this as a as like over and over as
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: a job. I was really impressed with you guys, Like
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I did not get it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I think it is more tired. I was surprised that
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I found it more tiring than touring. Yeah, I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: know why, But I just think it's being on for
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: so many hours, Like tour, there are so many built
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: in moments of just like decompression, a lot of not
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: and boredom and you know, and that that presents its
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: own struggles. But like just being on and being around
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of people is kind of exhausts sing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: And there must, like we were talking about before, like
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: with this in the studio, be a kind of decision
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: fatigue about you know, how should we play this, what
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: should we do? What should we say? How should we
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: how should we block it out? That's got to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know, did you do you find it tiring?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: All the things? It's it's having a microphone on. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is, because you know, depending on
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you've got to pack and all of a sudden you're
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: sort of officially you can't really relax physically, you're just
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: protecting them.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's always on thing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you say, you're sort of and then for
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: some reason, the makeup too is a little bit like.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know my face it's expression, yes, yeah, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: get you're sort of a commodity at that point as
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: an actor.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I mean you're like you're what you're wearing, what your
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: makeup is, like where you physically are like you're being
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: tracked and because you're responsible, you're you know, part of
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: a unit, and like so there never is that feeling
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: of like I can just disappear right now, would be
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like in other times in your life and either of
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: their jobs you can just kind of like be off
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the clock. But I'm just like, I'm responsible for keeping
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: this costume clean. So I'm not going to just like
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: go on a walk and get a coffee, like someone's
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: going to be like, hey, can you change out of that?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Or I need to change your mic battery. And this
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: is not even complaining. It's just that feeling of sort
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: of like being part of this like organism that only
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: functions if you are you know, sort of maintain a presence.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's like constant awareness, like you're an antenna,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: always have to be up, and it's just exhausting to
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: have your antenna up that for long. Yeah, in that
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: kind of precise way.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: You can't just sit.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Back and be like yeah, And I think most people
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: at all the you know, various jobs on site kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: of feel like that. It just does have this like
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: enervating effect, despite it also at moments being really fun
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and exciting. Yeah, it's a it's a long day, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: some people started earlier than we do.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Man, when not complaining, Yeah, it's just.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: That's raining on your behalf. I just I like really
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: couldn't believe that that you guys could do this more
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: than one time.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it did kind of feel like a marathon.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: But also it was like the summer. I don't know
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: if you had been to Portland much, but you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you were there on like a summer day, Like there
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: was this thing about it that was just very special.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Like it's like it only happened in the summer, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: so it's like going to summer camp, you know, eight
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: years in a row the same and that just we
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: couldn't replicate that anywhere else, so I think tried to
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: not take it for granted.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: The drives home after the after working were so pleasant,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just like down a little street, trees and everything.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: It's such a great town.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Oh it's great.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Nice And it was just you only filmed during the summer.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, that's really nice. Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: At the beginning, mostly because Fred was still on SNL,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: so we were limited by oh, my god, that's right
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: his schedule. But then that I mean that if we
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: wanted to shoot so much like Exterior we were on location,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: we didn't. We never built sets. Yeah, we never had
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: a sound stage. We were kind of dependent on good weather,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: which is only really guaranteed, you know.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: And then you got to go on tour in the winter. Yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: it's always good to reserve a winter for tour.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: It's like a buffalo stop in January.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Really just really just makes it all up more.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So we've got this bicycle set up and what we
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: do at the end of night.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: I was so hating you already. I wanted to say,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: like one little thing, this is the dumbest thing. So,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you know, like you guys obviously put put me up
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: in a hotel and there was like this cute little
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: gift bag that had like different things, and one of
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the things that was it was like coffee from a
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: you know thing, you know, coffee beans, and like a
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: little a little cup with like a cute little picture,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: you know, like this, And I honestly like I still
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: have that cup, and every time I look at him,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: like oh portlandy oh, I really like just this dumb
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: little cup. But I but I was like, well, my
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: treasured memory.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right. See, well, we are grateful that you
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: did the show with us, and we're very grateful that
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you did this show with us.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I'm so I'm so grateful that you asked me to
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: do the that PORTLANDI episode. And and I can't tell
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you how many people. Way more people will come up
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: to me and say like, oh, I saw you in PORTLANDA.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: They're like, are you gonna come clean my house? Which
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: is very annoying, but so many more people that than like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I know your music. Yeah, so really like gave me
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: a fun cachet, which I really appreciate.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I can honestly say it's many people's one of their
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: favorite sketches. I think it's it's definitely one that they,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: you know, talk about to this day. And I feel
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: like there's sort of ten that kind of in that
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: realm where it's just like I hear it over and
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: over again, Amy Man Sketchman.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And then I also, I mean I love it personally
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: because also our characters are like living together, you know
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like there's like we don't know what
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the relationship is.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: It's the first one of that. That's when we start
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that kind of like nebulous, like dynamic. And I think
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: it was the first episode where we invited a musician
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: who we admire to be on the show, which became
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, the set a precedent for that, that became
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: very normal. But it's like, those are some of my
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: favorite episodes, you know, just like marrying the worlds of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: music and comedy, like and we got to do that
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: over and over again, and you were the first one.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: There's nothing so satisfying as being comedy adjacent.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I like being music adjacent.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: You know what just cramic meals all together.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, well, thank you Amy Man, thank
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: you guys so much.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: The what on one one one one one one one
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  Speaker 2: one one one one number