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Vanessa Beeley on the Zionist attack on Iran | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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My name is June. This is June.
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Warfare, the battle of ideas. I think this is the first time
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in 2026. Vanessa Bailey, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches. It is, yes, under very dire
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circumstances. Well, I don't know dire for who
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we'll get into that. Well, firstly, how are you?
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Are you safe? Am I personally safe where I am
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in Lebanon? Yes, relatively at the moment
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because Hezbollah, the Lebanese resistance has now entered the
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war basically after Israel and the United States assassinated
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the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Ali,
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yesterday. I'm, I'm or the day before I'm,
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I'm completely losing track. We're not sleeping.
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It's like 24/7 coverage at the moment and and after they
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entered the war, of course, despite the fact that that
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Hezbollah has maintained the ceasefire for 15 months, while
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Israel has violated it, I think more than 6000 Times Now.
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Carrying out targeted assassinations, bombing schools,
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civilians, firing on them from the border areas, encroaching on
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Lebanese territory, setting up military bases inside Lebanese
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territory, spraying agricultural lands with glyphosate, etcetera,
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etcetera. For the last 15 months, when
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Hezbollah decides to actually defend themselves and their
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people in the South of Lebanon and in the eastern areas on the
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border with Syria, that of course, Israel has now launched
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a full campaign against Lebanon. And they'd already warned
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certain diplomats in Lebanon that if Hezbollah were to
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respond in the case of a regional war, they would be
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targeting a listed 1200 structures here in Lebanon.
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So while at the moment it is, I say relatively calm because
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they've been bombing the South intensively and Dache, which is
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the southern suburb of Beirut. So there's been a mass exodus of
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people again from areas of southern Beirut into into Beirut
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Central. And of course many of them are
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having to be accepted into schools and hastily prepared
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refugee centres. So it's a repeat of what
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happened back in 2023-2024 basically, but.
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It's going to. Get a lot worse, yeah.
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Yeah, I think you, you, you came into my podcast and you had
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just, I think so you had just run away.
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No, no, no, you had you had left Syria.
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You had basically fled Syria. That was December 2024.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ceasefire had come into
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effect in November 2024 between Lebanon and Israel.
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Yeah. Well, now, even if you wanted
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to, you can't flee because, as I understand it, Beirut's airport
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is shut down. Has it actually shut down?
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I haven't checked it. This morning they bombed the
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airport roads going from one of the the southern suburb of
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Beirut to the airport. I'm not sure if they've actually
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yet targeted the airport, but it's high on their list of
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targets. Yeah, to.
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Be honest, I don't have. Any intention?
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Yeah, I, I, no, they will potentially target it if this
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continues to escalate and I don't see any reason right now
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for it to de escalate then for sure the airport will be
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incapacitated and and closed. I think, well, that's.
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That's a very detention, Yes. What I received earlier,
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Emirates is grounded temporarily.
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Etihad, Qatar, Doha, Air India. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Turkish Airlines, Oman, Syria, Lufthansa, there's a whole list
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here. But I mean, the point there is
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that Uncle Sam with his honest buddies decide that they're
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going to attack Iran thinking, well, what?
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Well, what could possibly go wrong?
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Well, Iran's going to shut down half the world in in response.
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Yeah, I, I'm not entirely convinced that they didn't know
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that this would be the outcome because I, I think you can't
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discount the number of kind of what I call end time Zion,
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Jewish Zionists and Christian Zionists that believe that there
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is a necessity for an Armageddon in the world to bring the second
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coming of Christ into reality. And you know, the Trump
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administration is packed full of those characters, as is the
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Knesset on both sides, not not only part of the Netanyahu
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fascist government, but there are even more Uber extreme
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factions within Israel that definitely believe in, in, you
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know, the destruction of Al Kurds, the building of the
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Temple Mount and this whole idea of an Armageddon.
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And and you know, we've been heading towards this with all of
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the rhetoric from Israel, The destruction of the Amalek, of
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course, which is considered to be the destruction of all those
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that threaten the existence of Jews in the world today.
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Whereas of course Zionism doesn't represent Judaism in
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its, in its purest form and and so on.
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So I I'm not entirely sure that they weren't prepared for the
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outcome. I think world populations are
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probably not prepared for the outcome, but I don't really
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think our current transnational ruling elite really gives a hoot
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about world populations or those that are not particularly useful
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to their agenda. Let's just zoom out just for a
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moment. What is the official the
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official narrative? Why was Iran attacked
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officially? Oh, for it's new.
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Well, hang on. I mean, let's let's start in
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where was it 1951, when Iran was first declared to be a threshold
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nuclear state, right. I mean, this has been a, it's,
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it's not a time for humour, but sometimes actually people who've
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experienced war situations know that humour plays a very large
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part in, in coping with what's going on.
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And I mean, it's been a, a running gag in this region that,
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that Iran has been on the threshold of nuclear weapons for
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around 30 plus years, right? And, and someone I think from
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Iran recently published A Marif article that I think is as far
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back as either the 50s or the 30s.
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My mind isn't recalling it right now.
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Sleep deprivation, But so it's been ongoing for a very long
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time. And that, of course, the US in
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typical form was adding more demands to the negotiations.
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One that then not only should Iran not even have uranium in
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Iran, even if it's being enriched for use, for civilian
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use, to provide electricity and energy and so on, which is
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necessary in a country under sanctions and under blockade.
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But that then they should basically and their defence
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programme, their missile should be capped to, I think it was 300
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kilometres. Uranium should be taken out of
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Iran into the United States. And actually, of course, the
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ridiculous thing and all of this will get lost in in, in the, you
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know, the turmoil that is now being generated by the US and
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Israel. The fact is that Israel, sorry,
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Iran, had actually to a degree accepted a lot of these
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conditions. They had put forward a very
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realistic proposition for the negotiations.
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And then of course, just as in the 12 day war boom, the war
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starts. So there was never any intention
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there. There's never any honest
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intention in negotiation with Israel or the United States or
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the UK or most of the EU. Remember the Minsk agreements,
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right? You know, and, and, and this has
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been the ongoing scenario for decades now.
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Hamas, every time Hamas agreed to to something, Israel added
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another clause to the negotiations, which was a red, a
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known red line for Hamas. So Hamas didn't accept it and
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then boom, Israel bombs Hamas because they're so intractable.
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They're never going to accept Israel's conditions, which, you
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know, no sane country, if the US right now had a Chinese fleet
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and Chinese military on its borders, it's not going to agree
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to reduce its missile programme or its defence capability,
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right? So.
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So why on earth would anyone in their right mind expect any
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sovereign nation in the world today to to do the same when
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America has moved 1/3 of its military Naval Air forces to
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within striking distance of Iran?
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OK, but then just to be fair though, we know that the US and
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Israel don't have nuclear weapons.
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That's another long running gag. Well, we know that the US has
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already used nukes, and I don't think the US is particularly
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clandestine about its nuclear capability.
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To be fair, Israel is. It's not a member.
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It's it's not signed up to the non proliferation treaty.
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It has never allowed the nuclear watchdog onto its territory to
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actually inspect its facilities. And it has the Samsung option,
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which came into effect in 2005 under Begin, which says that if
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Israel faces an existential threat, which is right now, it
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reserves the right to use nuclear weapons.
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So, you know, as I keep saying to people, who do you really
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think is the nuclear state that is a threat to the world
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population right now? Do you do you think it's Iran?
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That is never effectively until now.
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And by the way, it's not attacking countries outside of
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its borders. It's attacking American bases,
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American equipment and American personnel on inside those
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countries. And so as it said, it considers
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where it is attacking to be American soil.
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And it's only attacking military infrastructure, military bases,
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personnel, right? It's not attacking any civilian
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infrastructure or civilian hospitals, schools, etcetera.
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But Israel is. Israel always has.
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America always has. Human life is irrelevant to the
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United States and to Israel. But from an ideology
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perspective, Iran and the resistance axis do not target
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civilians in war. It can happen.
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I'm I'm not denying that it can happen.
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And the targeting now of Aramco in in Saudi Arabia, of course
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that's going to have an impact on civilian life in the West.
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But at the same time, who's created this environment?
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There's such an interesting web here and it's so difficult to to
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to wrap your head around it. I remember when I was in Dubai
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last year, you not chatted and you were, you were giving me a,
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a really, really good breakdown of how the Arab world, quote
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unquote, is so divided. That's by design, would you say?
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Yeah, it's it's by design. For a long time.
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If you go back to the creation of Israel and why it was
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created, it was basically to drive a wedge between Egypt and
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Syria because at the time, of course, they were leading the
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pan Arabist campaign in the Middle East to secure
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independence, Middle East, West Asia to secure independence for
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these countries and access to their own resources, including
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in Saudi Arabia. So guess what?
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You know, despite there being multiple options, according to
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Theodore Herzl, for the creation of the state of Israel and other
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countries, whether it was Cyprus or or Argentina, et cetera, or
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even I think Ethiopia, it was settled by the British and the
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Ross trials that they would end up where they are occupying
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Palestinian territory. Because of course that is
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pivotal to their role as interference and military
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surveillance outpost for the British and the entire
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imperialist cabal in the Middle East.
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And if you look at the Clean Break doctrine from 1997, the
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intention from Israel and the CIA, who basically wrote the
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document, the strategy document is to balkanize the Middle East
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into what they perceive to be sectarian, controllable,
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stateless, that will more willingly accept the supremacy
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of Israel in the region. And of course, that's, that was
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the intention for Yemen also, by the way, And now for Iran.
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That's what they want to do is carve up the entire region into
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effectively warring statelets, some supported by the states,
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some supported by France, some supported by Russia, some
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supported by Israel, doesn't matter.
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But in order to allow the expansion of Israel and the
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Zionist movement into the region.
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And that's why we see Iran launching missiles into
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otherwise Islamic countries and people are going, why would they
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do this? And that's because of what you
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just said. Yeah, it's not only because of
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that. If you go back to the history of
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the creation of Saudi Arabia, for example, it, it was
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effectively engineered by the British and Lawrence of Arabia.
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Because there were areas in Saudi Arabia, particularly in
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the West, Hijaz that refused to basically abandoned support for
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Palestine. And so therefore they rejected
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the creation of the state of Israel and they rejected British
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foreign policy in this region. And as a result, the British
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empowered and supported Abdul Aziz to enable the spread of
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Wahhabism throughout Saudi Arabia and to put it under the
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House of Saud, which is effectively the creator of one
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of the most fanatical branches of Islam, which is Wahhabism,
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which is then, of course, being used to create organisations
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like ISIS, like Al Qaeda. So.
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So that's the origin of what's going on.
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And that's why I remember when I said to you when you were in
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Dubai, I said I don't consider it an Arab nation.
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I consider it a genetically modified outpost of Israel.
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And that's what it was designed as.
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UAE. Yeah.
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Yeah. All of all of these countries,
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basically. I remember I was sitting in my
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hotel room and we were having this conversation and I opened
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up my computer to have a, to have a look at a map because I
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it, it's something that the average person doesn't quite
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grasp. You think, oh, they're all the
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same. It's just all the same thing.
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And it, it really, really isn't. There is this huge division that
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has, shall we say, Zionist influence or infiltration.
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The UAE, for example, is in the pocket of Israel.
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And, and, and I while I was there, I asked somebody, can you
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fly a Palestinian flag in Dubai and said, no, you can't.
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No, no, no, no. I mean, UAE is, is probably the
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most aggressive of the Israeli agents in the region.
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I mean, the genocide that they're basically enabling and
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facilitating in Sudan is on behalf of Israel, Somaliland on
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behalf of Israel. So Israel can establish naval
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bases on the coastline of the Horn of Africa, of course,
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facing Yemen and the Red Sea, right.
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UAE, just to give you an, an not really an anecdote, but a little
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bit of side history to this. There's I'm trying to remember
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the name of the company, I think it's called Dark Matter and it's
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basically an AI surveillance company in the UAE which employs
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Israeli unit 8200. So the Mossad type spy unit, the
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military spy unit to work at its organisation.
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Now as part of that employment package, they're buying them
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very expensive homes in Cyprus. So effectively, what does that
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mean? They're expanding Israeli
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settlement as a proxy, right? They're working on behalf of
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Israel to expand Israeli presence, not only in this
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region, but globally. And and, you know, you're
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absolutely right. These countries are a very
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separate entity to the region. Generally.
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No one here kind of considers them apart from the fact that,
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of course, Saudi Arabia basically appropriated some of
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the most holy Islamic sites. Yeah.
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Just to just to be clear, you're talking about the Gulf states?
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Yes, yeah, the the Zionist Gulf States as I call them, you know
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so and and look at how Saudi Arabia manages the the most holy
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sites of Islam, right Macro and and where was that?
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Wasn't there a cloth from the holy shrine or a part of the
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cloth that was sold to Epstein? So that's how much they value
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it. And you know, they, they are
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sectarian in who they allow to come in and even pray during
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Hajj and macro and so on. So it's, it's a complete, I
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don't see them as Arab states. I just see them as an extension
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of Israel and Washington and the UK in the region basically.
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How did that happen? British because because, you
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know, the British and the Rothschilds created Israel,
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right? And at the same time, they, they
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understood that they needed protection and apologism for
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Israel in the region. And so they engineered that
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through, as I said, the dominance of Wahhabism in Saudi
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Arabia. And then, I mean, if you go back
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even in more recent history, it was Tony Blair that was creating
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the relationships between UAE and Israel.
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He was setting up the meetings. But actually so was Epstein.
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Now that the documents have been, I mean, I haven't gone
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massively into the Epstein. Documents for many reasons.
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One, I'm, I'm super busy here, but also for me, it appears to
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be like a campaign to get rid of the old Guardian government and
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to bring in the new technocratic ruling class.
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So a degree, you know, I'm not very surprised by what Epstein
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got up to or the people that were involved in it or weren't
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involved in it. Do you know what I mean?
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So in a way it's just vindication and confirmation.
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But it's interesting some of the elements that are coming out in
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relation to, as you said, the relationship between UAE, Qatar,
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although Qatar is closer probably to Turkey because of
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the Muslim Brotherhood connections.
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But UAE, Saudi Arabia and are definitely the two main players.
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Even though and the UAE was one of the first to sign the Abraham
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Accords with Israel. It was also, even during the
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genocide, building the land bridge and the railway joining
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the Gulf states with Israel to avoid the blockade in the Red
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Sea and as part of the India Middle East Economic Corridor,
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which of course Gaza is intended to be a link in that corridor.
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Which is why it's important for them to either ethnically
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cleanse all Palestinians out of Gaza or to create labour camps
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where they can be further incarcerated in mini
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concentration camps that will be used for cheap labour or free
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labour while they steal Palestinian gas off the coast of
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Gaza and off the coast of the occupied territories.
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Now, all of this creates the context for what you so you
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posted something on sub SEC, which I found fascinating called
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The Great Blinding, and that actually illustrates why Iran
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has attacked quote unquote, various neighbours.
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All it was doing was going after U.S. military installations for
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surveillance and spying and that kind of thing.
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Yeah, and actually it was interesting because I was having
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a discussion. This wasn't my post, by the way,
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but it it the the infograph that they produced made a lot of
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sense. And I had already been saying
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I'd had a discussion with someone who said, you know, why
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aren't they bombing Israel straight away and all this.
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I said, no, look, this makes total sense because they can't
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fly Iran at that point, couldn't fly their planes, for example,
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to bomb American infrastructure and bases in neighbouring
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countries because of the radar system.
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Some of the most expensive and some of the most sophisticated
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in the world that the US has has put on these bases in the
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various Zionist Gulf states, right.
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And so it made perfect sense for me that what are they going to
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do? They're going to effectively
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blind the enemy if they can destroy all of these early
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warning radar. I don't know all the military
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technical terms for them, but but but basically the equipment
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that enables the US to detect both missiles, drones and
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planes. And actually what's been
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indicative of it is that I think yesterday they actually launched
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Mig 20 nines that had been supplied by Russia fairly
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recently on bombing raids into Iraqi Kurdistan and into the
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Gulf state US bases. So that for me was was a
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demonstration because they would not have been able to do that
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prior to that blinding exercise, which is still ongoing.
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Although now I have noticed they're targeting energy and
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electricity stations. So I think now they're basically
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saying, OK, now we're going to give you a taste of of what it's
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like living under this kind of pressure of no electricity, no
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water, no ability to basically provide for your people.
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Again, they're still not killing civilians directly.
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But what they're saying is you've had Iran and this entire
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region pretty much under sanctions for decades, and
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you've incapacitated many of our abilities to be able to take
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care of our people, although they still are.
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And that's another point that I made.
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You know, when you look at what Iran is doing to actually help
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its people in in a war environment, they're providing
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free transport, free metro foreign students that are in the
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country. They're bypassing the
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bureaucracy, giving them immediate release permits to
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enable them to cross to land, cross borders right into their
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own countries for safety. They're providing food in the
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shops. They're doing everything they
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can. Let's have a look at the US
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Israeli record of taking care of their people.
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Israelis won't let non Jews into the shelters.
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By the way, Ethiopian workers or Filipino workers that want to
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enter the shelters are being turned away in America.
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Let's look at Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy, the response of
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their Federal Emergency Management Agency to black
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people or to other ethnic minorities in America.
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Even in Syria, when America absolutely devastated Raqqa in
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Syria, killing multiple civilians in the process,
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supposedly driving ISIS out. They left all the mines, they
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left everything. They didn't clear anything.
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You would never say the Syrian government and army do that.
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If they liberated an area, it was immediately cleaned of all
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IEDs and mines to reduce the threat to civilians.
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No, you don't see America doing that.
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You don't see Israel doing that even for their own populations.
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That's my point. But Vanessa, we know that Donald
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Trump wants to turn Gaza into casino.
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This is going to make life better for everybody.
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Yeah, he's going to turn it into, what is it, Jared
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Kushner's waterfront estate. I think that's basically it,
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isn't it? I mean, what is the end game
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here? What?
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What is it that the United States of Israel wants?
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Are the United States of Epstein or Rothschild?
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Really it should be 12,000 mentions of the Rothschilds in
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in the Epstein papers. So I guess that's a bit of a
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giveaway. Look, I think ultimately what we
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are witnessing on 2 levels. Let's look at the religious
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level first, right there are. I'm looking at my figures now
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because it's huge. There are 200 to 260 million
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Shia Muslim in the world today distributed from Iran, Pakistan,
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India, Iraq, Turkey, Yemen, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan, Syria,
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KSA, Lebanon, Nigeria, Kuwait, Bahrain, Tanzania, etcetera.
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You get the idea. Even in in Germany, Oman, Qatar,
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Bulgaria, UK and some in South Africa.
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Although in the UK and South Africa it's quite difficult
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because they don't differentiate between Sunni and Shia.
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It's, it's generally recorded just as Muslim population and
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you have the Western Israel backing what I call the GCC bloc
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or the GCC Zionist bloc, which is the Gulf state bloc, which is
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not only Sunni Muslim but extremist Sunni Muslim as I've
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mentioned in Saudi Arabia, the Wahhabi doctrine.
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And then in Syria, of course, you've now had the West and
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Israel impose an al Qaeda extremist government under Ahmed
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al Shahdar or Al Jilani, as he should be known.
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The release of the deliberate release of ISIS in northeast
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Syria that had already been manipulated and weaponized by
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the United States in particular. But also the holding camps were
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funded by the UK and there are reports that MI 6 was busy
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radicalising the children in those camps.
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So you've got another, I think around 20,000 fighters released
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in the northeast of Syria. And so right now you're entering
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into what can be compared to the historical battle of Karbala,
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which was between the followers of Imam Hussein, effectively the
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Shia and other denominations within Shia Muslim faith, and
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the Sunni extremists, not the moderate Sunnis, not the Syrian
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Sunnis, who also don't want to be ruled by Al Qaeda and
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Christians, of course, in the region, many of whom support the
29:51
resistance. And so we're heading to an
29:56
interfaith war, which is being deliberately engineered as such
30:00
from an economic, political perspective, if you want to call
30:05
it that. They want to see the end of the
30:08
resistance. And for them, it is advantageous
30:16
to have the area governed by Sunni Islam as they see the
30:22
business class. If you look at the CIA documents
30:25
relating to Syria, you'll understand that they wanted to
30:31
replace President Assad with what they deemed to be the Sunni
30:35
business class. Because they're easier to work
30:37
with, right? In other words, they're easier
30:39
to debt enslave. That's what it basically comes
30:42
down to. So then the region is more
30:44
controllable while they still have resistance factions that
30:48
are dominated by Shia Islam but are not consisting only of Shia
30:52
Islam, then that means that for them the region is secure.
30:59
And if you look at what they did to Syria immediately after the
31:02
fall of Damascus, Israel bombed all of their military
31:06
installations. They don't want any threats on
31:10
the borders of Israel now or in the future.
31:15
You know, Vanessa, whenever we have a conversation surrounding
31:22
Iran or Israel or Zionism, we always have to bring in the
31:28
religious aspect because it's, it's, it's fundamental, it's
31:32
foundational. It's what drives a lot of this.
31:36
It's, it's, it's this weird merger of geopolitics and
31:41
beliefs. And I, I was just wondering,
31:47
what do you think would happen if the evangelical Christianity
31:54
of the United States were to stop seeing Israel as this, as
32:00
this Holy Land, as the, as the, as the chosen land?
32:03
What do you think would happen? It would probably end, to be
32:09
honest, support for Israel would probably end because I think.
32:14
But would Israel end? The the Christian Zionists
32:17
outnumber Jewish Zionists, I think by 12:50.
32:22
I think I'm correct on that. Yeah.
32:24
And that's why it's important to point that out, because it's
32:26
not, it's not necessarily Jews, it's also particular branch of
32:31
Christianity. Yes, yeah.
32:34
And it's a particular branch of of Jews, although I think there
32:37
are now documented statistics that say that probably 80 to 90%
32:43
of world Jews support Zionism, either from an extremist
32:47
perspective of or from a kind of moderate perspective where they
32:51
don't really want all this bloodshed, but they still see
32:54
Israel as the homeland. Sorry, I've slightly forgotten
33:01
the question. OK, now I was just asking.
33:03
All right, let let me make it simpler.
33:05
If if there were no more Christian Zionists, would they
33:09
still be Israel? Yes, I think so.
33:14
Yeah, because Israel is a component in in the entire
33:19
Zionist movement, which is rapidly dragging the world
33:23
towards Pax Judaica instead of, you know, it was Pax Americana,
33:29
then it was really Pax Judeo Americana, now it's Pax Judaica.
33:35
The host is, in my opinion, eating.
33:38
No, sorry. The parasite is eating the host.
33:41
You know, let's have a look at Latin America.
33:45
Why has Trump reappropriated much of Latin America?
33:49
Cuba is is probably, you know, the last bastion of Chavista
33:54
resistance. And of course, it's being put
33:57
under energy deprivation and blockade.
34:03
Venezuela, OK, we can say the Chavista government is still in
34:07
place. But it's, you know, what can it
34:10
do? How, how can it react to a, a,
34:13
a, a supremacist country that's literally in its backyard
34:18
without of say, Russia and China?
34:20
Yeah, it can't do anything. It has to just hope that it can
34:23
retain some kind of sovereignty and some kind of socialist ethos
34:31
to its to its governance long term.
34:33
I don't know how they're going to achieve that, but we'll see.
34:36
But if if you look at why did what happen?
34:41
What, why did Maduro get taken out like that?
34:45
When was it the beginning of January this year?
34:49
It wasn't. I mean, forget about the the
34:51
narco state nonsense, right? Everybody knows that the CIA are
34:55
running the majority of the cartels and so on.
34:58
But actually the biggest threat to Israel is the perceived
35:04
influence of Iran and Hezbollah and the resistance factions in
35:09
Venezuela. So who was this done for?
35:13
Was it done for America and to stop drug cartels?
35:16
Or was it done because Israel demanded it?
35:19
Because almost immediately or concurrently, Melee and
35:23
Argentina, who's a fascist Zionist supporter, started sort
35:28
of launched the Isaac Accords in Latin America.
35:33
And I think to now there's about 5 countries that have joined
35:36
that. So just as you had the Abraham
35:38
Accords in this region, you've now got the Isaac Accords, which
35:42
is effectively an expansion again of Israel.
35:45
And then the original territory that Theodore Herzl was looking
35:49
to appropriate for Israel in on the borders of Chile and
35:54
Argentina and Patagonia, we've now seen wildfires in that area
36:00
believed to have been started by some of the Israeli settlers
36:03
there. And now you see the Argentinian
36:07
government saying, oh, you know, we'll, we'll free up land sale
36:12
after the fires. So what does that mean?
36:14
That means the Israelis can come in and buy up the territory that
36:17
they already wanted in the 1st place.
36:19
Look at Cyprus. Israel is effectively stealth
36:23
occupying Cyprus with the help of the British and now the Greek
36:27
Cypriots. And it's it's, it's threatening
36:30
Turkey. Turkey's also going to come
36:31
under attack at some point in some way, by the way, because
36:35
Turkey represents, although it has been an ally of Israel to a
36:39
large degree, it still represents a military presence
36:43
that can be a threat to Israel in the future.
36:46
And Erdogan in particular, with his neo Ottoman ambitions, is to
36:50
some degree going to try and block Israeli expansion.
36:55
So they, in my opinion, will will definitely be in the
36:59
crosshairs at some point, particularly if Iran doesn't win
37:03
this war. Vanessa, who's calling the shots
37:06
here? The Zionists, not Israel.
37:13
The problem is when people reduce it down to just Israel,
37:16
right? Which is effectively, it's a
37:19
military outpost in the region. I think Robert F Kennedy junior
37:22
described it best when he said, look, it's it's a bulwark for
37:25
for the United States in the region.
37:27
It's providing us with surveillance.
37:29
It's providing us with interference, which means regime
37:33
change in the region and so on. But it's, it's a component, a
37:39
very important component. It's kind of the representative
37:42
component of the Zionist movement.
37:44
But the Zionist movement itself is expanding far beyond Israel.
37:48
It's expanding into U.S. government, into world
37:52
government, but particularly in the UK, the EU, the US, Africa.
37:57
Christian Zionism is, is taking a hold in Africa.
38:03
I mean, enormously so, right? China even exactly the Chabad
38:10
Lubavitch has existence in China, in Russia, Chabad
38:13
Lubavitch has has a massive influence.
38:16
Look at Russia's relationship with Israel, right?
38:20
And the fact is that I think there was a recent interview
38:23
with a Russian academic who said, look, the early Zionist
38:26
settlers were Russian because the Zionist movement began in
38:31
what is now Ukraine, but formally was Russia.
38:37
Almost every single South African major political party
38:41
has Zionist funding. Yeah, it's I, you know, I, I
38:48
think people even for me sometimes, the extent to which
38:51
they have, and to some degree you have to admire them for
38:56
their ability to do this. It's, it's quite extraordinary
39:01
considering what they're doing in Israel, considering the the
39:04
genocide that has been ongoing for 100 years.
39:08
But if you look at it from October the 7th, it's just been
39:10
live streamed. It hasn't stopped since the
39:13
Trump peace scan. And yet it's managing to extend
39:20
its influence, its tentacles globally.
39:24
Iran is probably the only country actually that hasn't.
39:27
Iran and the resistance Axis members and Venezuela, Cuba,
39:33
some of the African countries like Burkina Faso, the the
39:36
independent countries in the Sohel now.
39:39
But apart from those, it's it's embedded in almost every
39:43
country. JFK was somewhat ambivalent.
39:51
Ambivalent. I beg your pardon to Zionism.
39:55
I think he kind of didn't really want much of it in the no.
40:01
Well, the president. The president.
40:03
Oh, sorry, yes. Yeah, he wasn't quite keen on
40:06
Israel and the CIA, and of course he was assassinated.
40:09
And I'm just wondering, every single president after him has
40:12
been a Zionist, I think, with Trump being probably the most
40:15
hardcore Zionist of them all. Uber Zionist.
40:17
Yeah, yeah. People told me I was crazy when
40:22
I was saying even before he was officially elected, I was saying
40:25
he was going to get in and that the genocide was going to
40:29
increase and that we were adding for a regional, if not a global
40:33
war. And people were just saying,
40:35
well, you know, he's going to end all wars, he's going to be
40:37
the president of peace, he's going to make America great
40:40
again. I was like, yeah, OK, all right,
40:41
whatever. And guess what?
40:46
So OK, so now some of the counter responses you've no
40:50
doubt seen, I'm getting them all the time, yes, but Iranians
40:57
don't want the current regime, you know, this is a good thing
41:01
with they need to be dismantled. Where are you seeing the
41:08
celebrations of those that are against the regime?
41:12
Where are you seeing them live stream from in Iran's?
41:16
Or in social media, Vanessa. Or in London or in France, or in
41:21
Germany. It's exactly like Syria.
41:26
Where was the greatest support for regime change from the
41:30
bought and paid for diaspora? Right?
41:35
And it's exactly what you're saying now.
41:37
I saw a statement from Pallavi. Pallavi the the so called
41:42
alternative to the current governmental structure in Iran
41:49
who was mourning the death of three American soldiers.
41:56
Look at the which will never be shown on the BBC or, or anywhere
42:01
else, but look at the millions that came out in the streets of
42:05
Iran after the assassination of Imam Ali, which is not the
42:09
government, by the way, I'm not an again, I'm not an expert on
42:14
Iranian constitutional structure.
42:17
You can probably ask one of your other guests that hopefully
42:22
you're going to speak to soon. But the government itself, by
42:28
the way, is a reformist government and they were the
42:31
ones pushing for negotiation and they were democratically elected
42:36
in Iran far more democratically than any election in the United
42:40
States or the UK, by the way, right.
42:44
The IRGC and the spiritual leadership is kind of, of
42:48
course, it's connected to the government, but it's kind of a
42:51
separate entity to a large degree.
42:54
And I've spent considerable time in Iran, both in 2016, I think,
43:03
and then in 2022. I was there for about two weeks
43:06
and I was travelling from different cities to speak to
43:09
people and to and to hear what they have to say within student
43:14
unions, within the bazaars. And the protests began from the
43:20
bazaars, from the bazaaris the people that run these bazaars in
43:24
all the cities of Iran, because they are feeling isolated.
43:28
They were talking to me about it in 2022.
43:30
They are feeling isolated. They are feeling squeezed
43:34
economically. Of course they are because the
43:36
West is ensuring that that is the situation in Iran.
43:40
But the early marches and and kind of protests at the
43:45
beginning of January were peaceful and actually the
43:47
security forces were were marching with them because the
43:51
security forces in almost any country are some of the lowest
43:54
paid members of society. So they were working, walking
43:57
with them saying, yeah, like, you know, we also are suffering,
44:00
etcetera. And then what happened is that
44:03
you have the CIA, Mossad, MI 6 engineered riots take place.
44:09
And, and this is not something I'm making up.
44:12
Netanyahu, Lindsey Graham, Mossad itself have made it quite
44:18
clear that they are infiltrating and enabling these protesters.
44:25
There was a documentary recently released where Mossad is
44:28
training the Kurdish separatist factions both in Iran and
44:32
outside Iran to turn against the regime.
44:35
And that's a documentary produced by Mossad.
44:37
So I'm not making this up. But if you look at the millions
44:43
that came out in all cities of Iran, right, even after the
44:51
riots, they came out in celebration of 47 years of the
44:55
Islamic Republic. So 47 years since the Islamic
44:58
Revolution. Every city in Iran was was
45:02
packed. Look at the people who came out
45:04
on the streets after the assassination of Imam Ali and
45:08
tell me that there isn't support for the government and the
45:10
military. No, people in their right mind
45:14
are not going to unite behind their leadership when their
45:16
country is being bombed. I mean, it's common sense.
45:24
People united behind Churchill. He lost support after the war,
45:29
but when the war was happening, they united behind him.
45:33
And that's exactly what's going to happen in Iran.
45:35
Even those who potentially oppose the current government,
45:39
although it is a reformist government, or oppose the
45:42
current spiritual leadership in Iran, they're going to unite
45:47
behind because they're Iranian people.
45:51
The people that are saying, yeah, great, you know, death to
45:55
Imam Ali, death to the Islamic Republic, are the ones outside
45:59
that are living in America. They're living safe, but they're
46:02
calling for sanctions. They're calling for the bombing
46:04
of their own country. This happened in Syria, it
46:07
happened in in Yemen. And these people are are
46:11
actually more disgusting to me than Israel or the United States
46:16
because this is their own people that they're calling for the
46:19
death of that support the current government in Iran and
46:23
the current leadership in Iran. They're calling for their death
46:31
and the death of what was it 100 and and 65 children, girls in a
46:36
girls school in the Minab girls school bombing.
46:41
They're calling for that. That's OK for them.
46:43
It's disgusting. They should be they should be
46:47
stripped of their Iranian citizen.
46:50
If if it were down to me. Is Iran losing?
46:56
No, no, look at the damage and bear in mind it's up against two
47:04
nuclear States and now you have Britain, France and Germany I
47:08
think. I mean, I love it.
47:09
Keir Starmer is an idiot. How can someone come out and say
47:14
they're going to respond defensively to support a war of
47:18
aggression? I mean, it's the dumbest
47:20
statement ever and if people actually think Britain has a
47:24
ship that's going to make it that far without sinking,
47:27
they're delusional. And the same for France and the
47:30
same for Germany. And I don't mean sinking from
47:35
missiles sinking, I mean the British can't launch a ship
47:38
without it sinking before it gets beyond the British coast
47:41
for God's sake, you know what I mean?
47:43
Their military and their naval capacity has not been
47:46
maintained. There's been defence cutbacks in
47:50
in Britain and in the EU for years.
47:53
What are they going to? Do let me let me ask the
47:55
question differently. Is Iran on its own?
48:02
Yeah. That that's a more pertinent
48:04
question. I think it's on its own from a
48:15
military perspective. What do I mean by that?
48:18
Iran is fighting this war alone, apart from the allies that it
48:23
has in the region, which are Yemen, the resistance in Iraq.
48:30
There are still 100,000 former Syrian Arab Army soldiers in
48:35
Iraq and Lebanon that I'm sure will take part in the war as it
48:40
escalates. The Lebanese resistance,
48:44
Hezbollah, the Palestinian resistance.
48:49
I'm sure that Burkina Faso and other independent countries in
48:53
Africa have been providing some support.
48:56
In fact, I kind of know they have.
48:58
Whether it's training or or whatever, they can't provide
49:02
equipment, but they can provide training and support.
49:06
A lot is being made of China and Russia's contribution to the
49:13
military capability of Iran. And I have done multiple
49:16
interviews. People can go and look at them
49:18
on YouTube and I recommend following a young Iranian
49:22
analyst, Ehsan Safanehjad, who has been not really.
49:26
It's not a question of debunking, but the problem is,
49:30
is that people are not giving credit to Iran for its missile
49:34
programme development. Even under sanctions since the
49:38
Iraq Iran war in the 1980s, it has done incredible things in
49:46
its own development and progress in this field.
49:48
Right. Has it been to a degree helped
49:54
by China and Russia? Yes, but not to the degree that
49:57
people are trying to to sell it as.
49:59
Honestly, there are no S4 hundreds in Iran.
50:04
There are no S3 hundreds in Iran.
50:07
They've supplied the Mig 29. But when you compare what Russia
50:11
has supplied to Algeria, for example, it's 10 times more than
50:16
what they've given to Iran. And there's a very good reason
50:20
for that. Russia is effectively aligned
50:23
with Israel. That's why it's happy to share
50:28
technology with India but not Iran.
50:32
It hasn't shared any actual technology with Iran.
50:36
Right, And the reason it's in bed with Algeria is because
50:42
Algeria represents an outpost, a military outpost for them
50:46
bordering the Sahel and bordering all of their interests
50:49
in Africa. So there's a clear reason for
50:52
that. Plus Algeria is independent,
50:54
it's anti imperialist, so there isn't going to be interference
50:57
from France or any of the other colonialist nations in Africa.
51:02
But Iran, it's, it's an issue. They kind of need Iran for the
51:06
North South trade corridor. They're interested in
51:09
exploration of gas reserves and so on.
51:13
So it's a pragmatic relationship with Iran, but it's not an
51:18
ideological relationship. Their ideological relationship
51:21
lies more actually in my opinion, with the United States
51:25
and Israel. For China, it's sheer
51:29
pragmatism. They've supplied some radar, but
51:34
again, yeah, but not to the degree that people on social
51:39
media, not China, but people on social media are trying to kind
51:42
of, you know, blow it up to some kind of incredible.
51:48
You know, China is basically going to save Iran.
51:50
No, it isn't. Iran is going to save Iran.
51:53
China may contribute something to that military campaign, but
51:58
they're not going to intervene. And no one's actually asking
52:01
them to. That's the whole point.
52:02
Because I keep getting lambasted by people saying, you know, why
52:05
should Russia? And I'm not saying that, But
52:08
what about boycotting Israel? What about stopping trade with
52:12
the Zionist bloc, which includes UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel,
52:17
right? What about that?
52:18
They, they couldn't even bring themselves to do that during the
52:21
genocide. How does that support
52:23
international humanitarian law? It doesn't.
52:26
So all I'm ever saying is stop expecting anything from Russia
52:31
or China. If they help, if they sell
52:34
weapons, they're not giving weapons to Iran, they're selling
52:37
them or, or they're doing a trade.
52:40
They're getting cheap oil in return for whatever technology
52:43
they they do supply. Not technology, but equipment
52:47
they supply. That's fine, that that's
52:51
pragmatism, that's trade. But ideologically they're not
52:56
going to come to the defence of Iran.
53:00
You know what's interesting, Vanessa?
53:03
Maybe I'm not seeing it correctly, but in the 1960s, for
53:07
example, the youth in the Western world would protest war.
53:14
I mean, this was a big thing, particularly in the US, right?
53:18
Today, the youth protest, gender identity.
53:23
I wonder what's happened. Oh gosh, I think that's a
53:30
conversation on its own. I guess the last big protest
53:37
that we saw in the UK were against the Iraq War and that
53:40
achieved nothing, you know. And how long ago?
53:44
Was that oh, 2003, the second Gulf War?
53:49
The the SO. Over 20 years ago.
53:51
Illegal, yeah, but I never really saw any protests against
53:57
the war in Syria. I never saw any protests really
54:02
against the war in Yemen. Certainly not of the size you're
54:04
talking about, right? Are they being completely
54:11
enslaved by the media narratives?
54:14
Yes, to a degree. When when I see despite Libya,
54:19
Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, now it's happening with
54:24
Iran and we see the same old stuff come up again.
54:27
You know, the the regurgitating of media narratives of, oh, but
54:33
you know, freedom for women, blah, blah, blah.
54:36
Yeah. How's freedom for women looking
54:38
like in Afghanistan right now under the Taliban?
54:41
Cool. You know, we did a good job
54:43
there, right? How's freedom for women looking
54:45
like in Syria right now? How many women are being
54:48
abducted as, as you know, slave brides for ISIS?
54:53
Yeah, the great job. And now you, you want to bring
54:57
the same freedom to Iran after Israel and US actually bombed
55:02
160, killed 165 girls, children. I mean, if they're not raping
55:09
them through Epstein, they're killing them, right?
55:13
But we're supposed to believe in their version of democracy.
55:18
I mean, I, I have to ask myself, how much more sadism and
55:24
Satanism do you have to see the governments in the West project?
55:30
How many more children in Israel are going to get raped in the
55:34
prisons, in the schools, in the religious structures before you
55:39
start understanding that this is a society which is basically
55:44
seeped in paedophilia? Paedophiles that are going to be
55:48
prosecuted in the United States go to Israel because it's a safe
55:51
haven. They can convert to Judaism and
55:55
be welcomed into the paedophile society that is in Israel right
56:00
now. And if you don't believe me, go
56:04
and read Hebrew media because they're reporting on it.
56:08
And if they're reporting on it, it's probably the tip of the
56:10
iceberg. Epstein was a Jewish, was an
56:13
Israeli agent. So, you know, I have to ask
56:18
myself, how much more do you have to see of of the absolute
56:26
rot of your own governments, the depravity of your own
56:30
governments, before you stop looking somewhere else and
56:33
wanting them to interfere in another country?
56:39
Turn against your own governments.
56:40
Do something useful. Is the Middle East falling?
56:48
West Asia, I'm desperately trying to kind of get people out
56:55
of the Middle East thing. OK, right.
56:56
Right, right, right. Concept anyway.
56:59
OK. No, that's good.
56:59
That's good. Quickly, quickly take me through
57:01
that. Well, because if, if you think
57:04
about it, the West is the, is the hegemon, right?
57:09
It's, it's the dominating force. And so it was them that labelled
57:14
what is it? It's, it's the Middle East.
57:16
It's to the east of the West. But no, in reality, it's West
57:19
Asia. It's, it's West of Asia.
57:23
That's the point. It's, it's to do away with all
57:26
of these colonial terms that we've kind of even myself, we've
57:30
absorbed over the years without thinking about it.
57:32
But in the same time we're, we're basically reinforcing
57:38
colonialism by using those terms because the Middle East means
57:42
it's not independent of the worst.
57:44
West Asia means it's independent of the worst and and it's
57:48
pivoting E, right? OK, so so then my question is,
57:54
is West Asia falling? I hope it doesn't.
58:03
I can't answer that question because right now it's at war
58:07
and it's going to be the final war.
58:09
I don't see any stopping right now.
58:12
There's two reasons why I hope it doesn't.
58:15
One, because that will mean the entire region will live under
58:20
Zionist occupation. And living under Zionist
58:23
occupation is not a life, it's survival.
58:27
That's the first reason. And that's the anxiety of people
58:31
here, by the way, It's not the war itself, because that at
58:35
least is a period of activity. It's a period of being able to
58:39
do something about what is happening.
58:43
What they're afraid of and anxious about is what comes
58:46
after if they lose this war. You're talking ethnic cleansing,
58:51
You're you're talking massacres, slaughter, you're talking
58:54
occupation, oppression, the the whole technocratic surveillance
59:00
machine brought to bear on this region just as it's now being
59:03
introduced into Gaza. And I've said for years, the
59:06
Gaza model is what is going to be rolled out globally.
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And so that brings me to my second point.
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If West Asia falls and if Iran falls, the world is lost.
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That's my opinion because this is the frontline between the
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expansion of that technocratic transnational ruling predator
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class led by the Zionist movement and the rest of the
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world populations. Because as soon as this is
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finished and they consider it a done deal and they can start
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introducing all of this AI surveillance here to to
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basically isolate and and imprison and enslave the peoples
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here. It's not going to stop here.
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So Iran is on the vanguard of Western Asia, Yeah.
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Also, just to be clear, Iran is not Arab.
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No. Persian.
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This is something people always forget.
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I know like they all get kind of lumped in together, but no, it
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isn't. It's Persian.
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And also the other point to make, of course, is the Arab
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countries that are allied with Iran, they are allies.
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They are not proxies. They act independently of Iran,
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just as any ally would support another ally.
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Iran has been incredibly supportive to both resistance or
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free nations in this region and resistance non state actors like
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in Iraq for example. But they are not proxies.
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That's also another misleading narrative, and that's being very
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kind in Western media. If Iran were to ask for help,
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who would come? All the countries that I
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mentioned for sure, all of the resistance, the, the entire
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resistance access, That's it. As I said, I'm, I'm not
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expecting Russia or China to step in at any point.
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They're not going to, you know, they, the rhetoric about Cuba,
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as far as I know, the, the Russian vessel that was supposed
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to be bringing oil to Cuba. So in other words, it was going
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to challenge the US naval blockade has turned around.
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It's it's detoured, it's gone. They're very good at at
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rhetoric, but actual action, the follow through doesn't happen.
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So no, there may be, you know, there may be an increase in in
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depending on how important they see Iran to their economic trade
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future. There may be an element of
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supporting Iran. But I would ask the question,
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what if Trump says to them, OK, like we'll put in a regime and
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we'll give you XYZ oil and we'll do this.
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I don't know. They'll do what's best for
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Russia and what's best for China and I shouldn't, you know,
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personally I don't expect them to do more than that.
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My beef is always with people that are kind of idealising
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their involvement in the world today and the involvement of
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bricks, which is as far as I'm gonna.
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Yeah, well, it's non existent as as an alternative to the
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imperialist access. Yeah, look at bricks is, I mean,
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you know. Bricks is largely just before
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the. Yeah, and I mean, you know, Modi
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literally genuflecting at the feet of of Netanyahu what, days
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before the war began. So no.
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All right, Vanessa, on that very uplifting note, how can I follow
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your work? People can follow me on Substat,
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Telegram, X, all as Vanessa Billy.
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I don't have any brand name or anything and YouTube and I'm
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severely censored and throttled back as we all are.
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So yeah, please do for me. X will probably remove you if
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you are following me, but at least you know, try.
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OK, Vanessa BD, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thanks.