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I Am All In…Again: Growing Up Mailer (Season 5 E6 “Norman Miller, I’m Pregnant”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Again!
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  Speaker 2: More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. More, more, more.
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  Speaker 2: I want to kiss you more. I am all in.
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  Speaker 1: Again, with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Podcast 111 Productions. iHeartRadio Media. iHeartRadio. podcast,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to be recapping Season 5, Episode 6
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  Speaker 1: with Stephen Mailer. He's a writer, actor. We've had him
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  Speaker 1: on in 2023 for a one-on-one interview. But now we
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  Speaker 1: are recapping his episode. And welcome back to the son
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  Speaker 1: of one of the great writers of our time. Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Mailer is the son of none other than Norman Mailer.
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  Speaker 1: We had you on before, but for those who didn't
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  Speaker 1: catch the episode, remind us how this came together, being
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  Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls, Stephen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend, Jessica Queller, who is a
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  Speaker 2: writer-producer on the show, and she called me and just said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was called Norman Mailer, I'm
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  Speaker 2: pregnant at that time, but she said that my dad
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  Speaker 2: is a character in an episode that was coming up,
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  Speaker 2: and is there any way that he'd be interested in
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  Speaker 2: doing it? So I called him and asked him, he said, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, well, I'll do it if they give you
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  Speaker 2: a part. And, um, and so it came together and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it was a real treat. And I, it's funny cause
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  Speaker 2: I had just, I was a, had become a single dad.
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  Speaker 2: I had a five-year-old and a one-year-old and, um, had
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  Speaker 2: moved from Westchester back to Brooklyn where I was from and, um,
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  Speaker 2: and was sort of getting this apartment together for these two,
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  Speaker 2: you know, wild boys. And, uh, and it's expensive, and
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  Speaker 2: so this show is like a stroke of mazel, where
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, okay, this is great. It was
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  Speaker 2: a nice little chunk of money, and it sort of
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  Speaker 2: helped me get settled in Brooklyn. And I watched the
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  Speaker 2: episode last night, and my younger son, Teddy, who is
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  Speaker 2: one and a half at a time, is basically the
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  Speaker 2: same age as Gigi in the episode last night, that
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  Speaker 2: Lorelei is the father of Alexis Bidel's character. He's trying
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  Speaker 2: to take care of and navigate, so that was rather
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  Speaker 2: poignant to see that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of the memories you shared was that last
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  Speaker 1: time you were on was the writers had a mini
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  Speaker 1: forum with Norman during a break and shooting. What else
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  Speaker 1: do you recall from your day on set?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to say it was two days, actually,
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  Speaker 2: which didn't really seem to make sense because it wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I felt like we could have done everything
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  Speaker 2: in that one day. But I think maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: that we did two days because we We did the
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  Speaker 2: Dragonfly and then we did Your Place. So that was
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  Speaker 2: the second day. But I think I want to say
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  Speaker 2: it was the second day. And no, actually, no, it
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  Speaker 2: was the first day because I think Jessica had to
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  Speaker 2: leave that after the first day of shooting. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it was that first day. And Jess just sort
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  Speaker 2: of showed me around and introduced me to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people. And my dad kind of hung back, I think,
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  Speaker 2: on the set or near his holding area. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the writers came over, and I actually don't
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  Speaker 2: know how it evolved, but she said, your dad held
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  Speaker 2: court for a bunch of the writers on the show,
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  Speaker 2: and it was so sweet, and they were all so touched.
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  Speaker 2: So I loved that. I thought that was just beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: That is nice. All right. Norman Mailer, I'm Pregnant, air
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  Speaker 1: date October.
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  Speaker 2: 26, 2004.
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  Speaker 1: Lorelei and Suki have to make cuts at the inn
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  Speaker 1: and blame Norman Mailer. Rory starts to investigate a secret
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  Speaker 1: society at Yale. Meanwhile, Christopher is struggling with fatherhood shocker
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  Speaker 1: and GG directed by Matthew diamond written by James Berg,
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  Speaker 1: Lorelei Suki and Norman Mailer. Luke is picking up Lorelei
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  Speaker 1: for a movie date. She has a lot of weird antics,
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  Speaker 1: keys in the door, socks in the oven. Later, uh,
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  Speaker 1: He fixes her oven while she's on the phone with Rory.
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  Speaker 1: Rory notices how happy she sounds. Meanwhile, back at the Dragonfly,
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  Speaker 1: Norman is having lunch with a journalist, and it's the
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  Speaker 1: third time this week. Lorelei's excited about it, but thinks
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  Speaker 1: the first step to being saloned. But Suki is upset
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  Speaker 1: because the only thing he is ordering is an iced
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  Speaker 1: tea and tries to pressure him to order something else.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's being a good business partner,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to have an American icon in your restaurant
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  Speaker 1: and you're upset about his order. All right.
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  Speaker 2: It was so funny, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny.
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  Speaker 2: It was hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: The presence alone is enough, right? Suki and Lorelei are
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  Speaker 1: meeting with a business agency, suggests dropping lunch. Suki gets
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  Speaker 1: upset again and blames Norman Mailer. Of all the things
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  Speaker 1: to be blamed for.
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  Speaker 2: And he was blamed for a lot?
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  Speaker 1: Small town hijinks.
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  Speaker 2: No lunch?
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  Speaker 1: Luke calls and tells Lorelai that Kirk is dressed as
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  Speaker 1: a hot dog handing out flyers advertising lunch at the Dragonfly.
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  Speaker 1: She rushes off to get Kirk away from dinner and apologizes.
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  Speaker 1: Lorelai confronts Suki about it. And in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: their argument, she runs out of the lunchroom and yells
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  Speaker 1: at Norman Mailer as well, as expected. But then she
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  Speaker 1: realizes she's pregnant and she shouts, Norman Mailer, I'm pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be a highlight of Melissa's career to
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  Speaker 1: utter that phrase. Then, I mean, that also could have
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  Speaker 1: been the last four words of the entire series. Hey, mom,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pregnant or Norman Mailer. I'm pregnant. Then Norman and
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  Speaker 1: the journalists end up at Luke's Diner. Luke also complains
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  Speaker 1: they're only ordering iced tea.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of bozos in the corner. Right.
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  Speaker 1: How long has it been, Stephen, since you watched your episode?
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  Speaker 2: It's been less than 24 hours. I watched it last night.
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  Speaker 1: And so what was it like? Tell us about it.
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  Speaker 2: It was wonderful. It was very nostalgic. Um, and again,
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  Speaker 2: just sort of brought back that it was really a,
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  Speaker 2: such a wonderful, just personally a trip with my father
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  Speaker 2: who was, um, he was 80, uh, 81 at the
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  Speaker 2: time and was sort of having a little trouble walking around.
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  Speaker 2: He had a couple of canes. And so I met him.
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  Speaker 2: I think I flew to Boston to, um, meet him.
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  Speaker 2: He's living in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And then, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you had to have one of those carts in the
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  Speaker 2: airport to navigate to the plane, but we had a
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  Speaker 2: great time. It was a really fun trip and I was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, really grateful to be able to help him and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: on the journey. And, um, we, and, uh, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was just, I don't know. Uh, it was so generous
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  Speaker 2: of him to do this really for me and for
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  Speaker 2: my friend, Jessica. And yeah, I just had a lovely
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  Speaker 2: time with him. And I remember, um, I think after
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  Speaker 2: the first day of shooting, Jessica was having a Yom
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  Speaker 2: Kippur dinner with a good friend of ours that we
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  Speaker 2: had done a play with. I met Jessica doing a
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  Speaker 2: play years ago called Peace Time in the WPA Theater
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  Speaker 2: in New York City. It's not there anymore. We did
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  Speaker 2: an out of town, not even a triad, but it
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  Speaker 2: was sort of a two part production. We did it
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  Speaker 2: at the Capitol Rep at Albany and then came to
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  Speaker 2: New York for a run. And one of the actresses,
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  Speaker 2: Kelly Wolf was her name. She was in the play.
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  Speaker 2: And we just became a very tight family. A couple
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  Speaker 2: other actors, Gordon Greenberg, Ken Garrido, and the five of
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  Speaker 2: us were really tight and lived together up in Albany.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know, we're in New York. And so
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  Speaker 2: we had dinner with Kelly and her husband. And my
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  Speaker 2: dad didn't want to go. And so he went back
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  Speaker 2: to the hotel by himself. And I remember feeling great
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  Speaker 2: guilt about that. And he sort of had to get
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  Speaker 2: to the dining room, to his hotel room. But he
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  Speaker 2: did it. He was fine. He sort of walked, took
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  Speaker 2: his time. He was having some issues with his breathing.
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  Speaker 2: He used to smoke like Camel Non-Filters for many, many years.
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  Speaker 2: But quit in his 40s, but it's still taking its
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  Speaker 2: toll 40 years later. And he said, I remember he said,
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  Speaker 2: sort of stopped at the pool and watched the pool
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  Speaker 2: for a while and then got up and made it
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  Speaker 2: to his room.
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  Speaker 1: So....
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  Speaker 2: But, um, and then the next day we were on
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  Speaker 2: the set again, that was really fun and had a
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  Speaker 2: lovely dinner that night with a dear friend of his, um,
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  Speaker 2: and then flew, flew back to New York. Um, so that's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. That's in a way, my
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  Speaker 2: fondest memory of the whole thing is just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: spending some time with him, which becomes, you get older,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a little becomes, you know, harder to do. Right. Um,
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  Speaker 2: especially as, you know, a young father myself at the time. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: but being on the set, that was really fun. It's always,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Listen, acting jobs can be hard to come by.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great couple of days on a Warner
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  Speaker 2: Brothers lot, you know, and driving around in the cart.
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  Speaker 2: And Matthew Diamond was wonderful. And we had dinner with
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  Speaker 2: Dan and Amy. I think the night that we arrived
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  Speaker 2: and Jessica, they were very literary and they, you know,
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  Speaker 2: peppered my dad with a lot of questions. And they're like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the greatest novel ever written?
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  Speaker 1: And what did he say?
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  Speaker 2: Anna Karenina.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think they might have given that to him. But
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  Speaker 2: I think he agreed, but there might have been another.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that I think they all went with
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  Speaker 2: that one.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a Russian.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's either Dostoevsky. or or tolstoy you know it's it's
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  Speaker 1: they're always the greatest novels ever written as probably my.
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  Speaker 2: Dad's roots they're all lithuanian my grandmother and came from lithuania.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah If you will, and you don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: Can you share with us some of your fondest memories
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  Speaker 1: from childhood with your dad?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, you know, he was married six times.
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  Speaker 2: And basically, he was married five times in 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: And then my stepmother, Norris, he was married to her
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  Speaker 2: for 30 years. So that was really interesting. So it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of marriages through, you know, through the
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  Speaker 2: 1940s through the 60s. Through the 70s, really. And then
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  Speaker 2: met my stepmother in 75? Yeah, 1975. Stepmother Norris. And
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  Speaker 2: he has children from every marriage. He has a daughter
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  Speaker 2: from his first marriage, two daughters from his second marriage,
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  Speaker 2: daughter from his third marriage, two sons, my older brother
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  Speaker 2: and myself, from his fourth, daughter from his fifth marriage, Maggie,
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  Speaker 2: that's her painting behind me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 2: And then a son from his last marriage to Norris.
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  Speaker 2: And she had a son from a previous marriage that
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  Speaker 2: he adopted, my brother Matthew. So my dad was really
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  Speaker 2: great about keeping us all together and really close to
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  Speaker 2: all of them. And especially my sisters. And so he
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  Speaker 2: would gather us, you know, every summer for a month.
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  Speaker 2: We used to go to Provincetown and then, well, Maine
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  Speaker 2: at first. And then I lived in Provincetown for eight
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  Speaker 2: years as a child because he would go there in
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  Speaker 2: the summer with my mother and me and my brother together.
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  Speaker 2: And all of them, you know, my sister, the whole family.
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  Speaker 2: But then when he and my mother split, my mom
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  Speaker 2: just kept my brother Michael and I there for eight years,
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  Speaker 2: year round. Michael seven, me eight. He moved back to
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  Speaker 2: New York to be with my dad for a year
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  Speaker 2: before I moved. So I just, I really, like Maine
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  Speaker 2: was really exciting. He was very disciplined with his craft.
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  Speaker 2: So in the morning he would get up and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he would write and then we'd all have lunch together.
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  Speaker 2: We'd go on like a hike. We were in a
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  Speaker 2: Mount Desert Island, which had the beautiful national park called
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  Speaker 2: the Katy National Park. So we'd do a hike every day.
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  Speaker 2: And then sometimes I think after he would then write
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  Speaker 2: in the evening and then, you know, we'd have dinner.
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  Speaker 2: But I just, that was such a, those are such
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  Speaker 2: fond memories for me of being, you know, I would
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  Speaker 2: sort of be with my brother, you know, Michael sort of,
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  Speaker 2: and my mom, you know, during the year, we'd see
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  Speaker 2: my dad every other, every other weekend, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? And sometimes he'd come to P-Town to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to do some writing. So we'd see him then that
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  Speaker 2: was always really exciting. And on holidays, of course.
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  Speaker 1: So he was, he was in New York and you
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  Speaker 1: were in Providence.
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  Speaker 2: He was at first, he was in Stockbridge, Mass.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: With my, with my stepmother, Carol, his fifth wife. And
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  Speaker 2: then he moved, ended up moving back to New York.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: So at first, We would go to Stockbridge every other
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  Speaker 2: weekend and on holidays and then Maine in the summer.
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  Speaker 2: And then when he was with my stepmother, Norris, I
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  Speaker 2: ended up moving back to New York in 1978. So
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  Speaker 2: then it was, you know, I was with him every
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  Speaker 2: other week. But I think those fondest memories are just
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  Speaker 2: like being in the summer with all of my siblings,
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  Speaker 2: just having a wild time. And yeah, it was very...
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  Speaker 2: And he would do some really fun creative projects, but
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  Speaker 2: like we, um, he one year chose the novel, the world,
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  Speaker 2: according to Garp, um, and had everybody read it. I
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  Speaker 2: was a little on the younger side, so I was
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  Speaker 2: a part of it and then had sort of a
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  Speaker 2: debate about it or a salon, if you will, with
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  Speaker 2: my siblings who were sort of, I know that was
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  Speaker 2: really cool in hindsight. Um, we all play chess. We'd
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  Speaker 2: have a chess tournament at the end of the summer.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember I was the first one to learn,
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  Speaker 2: but then my brother, Michael, my older sister, older sister, Elizabeth,
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  Speaker 2: they learned, they got really good quickly and, and kicked
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  Speaker 2: my butt. And then, and then we would do play
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  Speaker 2: readings and we did, I remember doing a play reading
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  Speaker 2: of pig mailing, my same sister, Elizabeth Betsy. And that
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  Speaker 2: was really fun. And my dad would direct it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was just, and, and, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you ever spent any time in Maine, but just,
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  Speaker 2: just gorgeous sort of the upper sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We used to go up every summer when
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid to go to Moosehead Lake.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's the interior.
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  Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I went on a camping trip there with some friends
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  Speaker 2: many years later. Spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd go up every summer for a two-week vacation
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. My first memories are of
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  Speaker 1: getting in that little outboard boat with my dad from
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  Speaker 1: the dock and getting in when I was four years old.
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  Speaker 1: It's my first memory. Lovely place. Lovely, lovely place. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for sharing that. Yeah. All right, let's get back
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  Speaker 1: to Yale Daily News. All right, here we go. Rory
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  Speaker 1: feels like she is behind at the Yale Daily News
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  Speaker 1: because she wasted two months in Europe, and then she
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  Speaker 1: gets assigned the features beat by Doyle. Then Logan walks
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  Speaker 1: into the newsroom. Doyle nervously welcomes him back, and that's
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  Speaker 1: when Rory finds out who he really is, a Huntsberger,
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  Speaker 1: son of newspaper magnate Mitchum. Logan then does an old-fashioned
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  Speaker 1: newspaper bit, and Rory smirks. Rory chooses an illegal downloading story,
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  Speaker 1: but she's struggling. And she sees a girl in a
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  Speaker 1: gorilla mask, follows her, puts her in a black SUV,
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  Speaker 1: and yells, in omnia paratus, the famous slogan. Rory digs
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  Speaker 1: around and finds it out about a secret society at Yale,
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  Speaker 1: the Life and Death Brigade, and makes it her feature story.
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  Speaker 1: She confronts Logan about it after seeing his granddad's name
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  Speaker 1: in the photo of the brigade but he pretends he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know what she's talking about later logan sends her
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  Speaker 1: an aol chat telling her she has to agree to
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  Speaker 1: the conditions and he will let her in on the
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  Speaker 1: inside to get the real story she.
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  Speaker 2: Agrees i love that when they were chatting right i
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  Speaker 2: was like wow look at that.
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  Speaker 1: Right right right the times have changed messaging um So
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  Speaker 1: this is the beginning of the iconic Life and Death Brigade.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Logan from watching this episode?
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  Speaker 2: I was a little concerned. I don't know. There seemed
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  Speaker 2: to be something sinister happening. Yeah. How does it all
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  Speaker 2: turn out, ultimately?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, quite a risky. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what they eventually engage in is risky. Risky. Somewhat life-threatening
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  Speaker 1: at times. But, you know, such is youth and expansion
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  Speaker 1: and all that. But, I don't know, I always thought
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  Speaker 1: that he was the best match for her.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not the chap by the icy machine?
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  Speaker 1: No, none of that stuff. That's all just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that's a cliche. It's been done. Why
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  Speaker 1: do it again? yeah, he's going to be the guy
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  Speaker 1: that gets you in trouble and gets you off your
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  Speaker 1: path and it's going to ruin your life. But man,
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  Speaker 1: you're just going to be so in love for about
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  Speaker 1: 10 minutes and then it turns into a disaster. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to see it. I never wanted to see it.
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  Speaker 1: So I've seen it, you know, I've seen it before
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  Speaker 1: too many times. I just wanted to see something. It
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: was a love story-ish, if you catch the reference. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I just think that has a lot of... I think
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that he was intellectually, if not her equal, her superior.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that he, of being from the manor born,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: knew how to, would eventually learn how to handle that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: level of wealth better than how he was handling it now.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But I think he was, I think when you, he was,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: he was living in the moment. and he was enjoying
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: his life because he knew what his life was going
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to become because it was so planned out for him.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So she was catching him at, at the only time
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: in his life where he was, you know, an adult
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and somewhat free. Um, so she was going to get
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the best of him or, you know, maybe, maybe a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: little bad, but a lot of good. Um, so I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: always liked it. I always liked the possibilities of it. And, um,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You know, and for my money, I hope he's the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: baby daddy, actually. What were your thoughts on it?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I was curious when he came in into the episode,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I thought he had graduated and he was coming back
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to visit the newsroom. But it seems like he was
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: still a student. So that school just started. So he
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: was just kind of he was back from the summer
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and ready to get on his his his old desk,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: so to speak.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just didn't go to school a lot.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So he was away. He got away for a year.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think he would skip classes quite
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: frequently to do things with his friends.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I gotcha.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Or we were just not, you know, we were just
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: not going to focus on his character to that degree,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to that depth.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I was surprised.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was surprised by it because he does seem,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of like the kind of the cliche villain.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, it's not going to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: end well. The secret society and the girl in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: gorilla mask. It was, you know, it was funky. So
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: when she sort of gets intrigued by him, I was
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: taken by surprise.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: With that. I just, you know, also comedically, I think
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: there's just more yarn there.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree. I love what you're saying. Like, that
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: makes total sense to me. It's interesting and sort of,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and the concern from the audience, I think, would really
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: sort of fuel that and, I mean, sort of becomes
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like a classic, you know, tension that that would be
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen next what's the cliffhanger.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Right right all right well let's get on to Christopher
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and Lorelei Christopher as you know is Rory's biological father
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Chris calls Lorelai in a panic, not knowing what to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: do with Gigi, who won't stop crying. While at Christopher's,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the place is a mess, and he tells her Sherry,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: his betrothed, has been offered a job in Paris and left.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Lorelai tells Rory about what she did for Christopher while
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: they are at Emily's no-show Friday night dinner. She seems
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: bothered by it. Rory then heads to Christopher's and asks
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: him to stay away from Lorelai because she doesn't want
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: him to ruin Lorelai's relationship with Luke. Yeah, he seems
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to butt in at the most inopportune moments.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: How long were you and Luke and Lorelai together at
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that moment in the series?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Had just gotten together. Oh, really?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Had just gotten together, basically. Well, I don't know. We
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: got together season four. God, we're on season five already?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Season four, at the end of season four. So really
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: not a long period of time. A couple weeks, I guess.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe a month or so.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And were you a character in the series from the get-go?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I was the long-suffering diner owner, you know, who would
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: watch her in silence. dating this guy and the next
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: guy and the next guy. And, you know, they almost,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you know, he just didn't want to, he didn't want
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to ruin their friendship. Hey, it's a small town. So
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he just kind of kept his mouth shut until he
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't anymore.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So, all right. Steven, do you think Rory overstepped by
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: dashing her dad to stay away or is she just
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: being protective of, of, of Lorelei's relationship with Luke?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I think I was very moved by that scene. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a little, a little dysfunctional. You
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? That the daughter has to step
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: in and intervene to like, to take care of her mother.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But maybe that's the relationship, you know, Lorelei has a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: lot of childlike qualities and Rory sort of the adult
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. That's certainly how I grew
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: up with my mother. Not so much my father. Well,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: sometimes my father, you know, so, that kind of made
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: me sad. I thought it was a very poignant scene. Um,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I liked that the episode ended with that. I kind
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of wanted the dad, I don't know, to, to really
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: have a reckoning, be like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: You know, you're right. Absolutely. Hey, you know, um, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: wanted this dad to really be more of an adult,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I guess, and to let Rory just be a kid
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: in college writing on a paper and just, you know, um,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: navigating this new life. Um, so yeah, I, uh, You know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: when the scene happened with Lorelai coming to visit, at
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: first I thought, you know, forgive me my ignorance with
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the show, I thought, oh, is this her brother? And
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: she's just trying to help out because she has all
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: this experience as a mom. And then when it came out,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, okay, this is the father of, this
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: is Rory's dad. You know, I was like, I was
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: sort of having mixed feelings. Like, okay, well, it's nice
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that they have this relationship. And then she's going to,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you know, help him. And it didn't seem like there
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: was anything, any kind of romantic tension, you know? Do they,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: were they sort of on again, off again in the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: first several seasons?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Well, he was famous for, I mean, Lorelei basically told
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him after Rory was born to kind of stay away.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And he just has never found himself, you know, he's
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the eternal boy, right? who refuses to become a grownup
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and you know, yeah. So, uh, you know, they use him,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they inject him into the storyline when things are going
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: particularly good. Um, he comes into to mess everything up. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they eventually, you know, they, they, she does cheat on
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Luke with him. It's either this season or next or yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty, pretty, and it causes them to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: break up. Oh, yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: That's the way I feel. Oh, you got a couple
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of bozos in the corner, you can drink an iced tea,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, uh, Well, overall, what'd you think of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the episode?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it again. It was really fun to watch it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't think I was able to watch it
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: when we did this a few years ago.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't remember to be honest with you, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I loved it. And I was telling Jackie earlier, my sister,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Danielle and her daughter, Isabella loved the show. And I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: think Isabella had, I mean, Danielle had Isabella when she
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: was 32 and which I think when the series started,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I think Lorelai was 32 and Rory 16. Is that correct?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Because you were 16 when you had Rory?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: So that was interesting. So they always felt like, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: they watched the show together and felt like they were
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Gilmore Girls. So when I got the, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: when this thing happened, they were over the moon. They
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: were thrilled. At that time, Isabella, I think, was like
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: 16 or so. She was in high school. And Danielle
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: would have been in 2004- I think, uh, I said 47,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: she was more 57. So, um, interlay forties. So this
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: is one of Danielle's paintings. I showed Maggie's.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, great. Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Wow. So, um, that's one of the two, the cat.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Very nice. Very, very nice. Very nice.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: So that was, um, That was very exciting. I'm losing
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: my train of thought.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: What was the original question, Scott? Just the overall impression
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of the show.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. So I went in. So I remember that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I remember taking a set photo of my dad and
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: me and Lauren and Melissa and sending it to Isabella,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: which was very exciting. And so, yeah, it was really cool.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It was really cool just to take in the whole episode.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And all the scenes with my dad were all sort
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: of improvised. And I loved seeing that. And I really
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't sort of up on current events at the time,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: just because, again, I was singled out all of a sudden.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I had my kids half the time. They were five
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and one. And I loved being a father. I loved
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: taking care of them. And, again, we'd started this new
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: life in Brooklyn, and their mom was in Westchester. There
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: was sort of a similar storyline there, except I felt
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I was very accomplished as a father, Scott. There you go.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Change a diaper with my eyes closed, my friend. But again,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Teddy had like a shock of blonde hair. So he
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: really looked a lot like Gigi. So that, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that was very nostalgic for me. And just thinking about the,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the journey with my father and being on set.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And I remember Alyssa going to me, she's like, Stephen,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: are you an actor? I was like, I am. She's like, oh, good.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Because you're making this look way too easy.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then a lot of, you know, the parts
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that were scripted. And my dad, I thought my dad
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: was great when we were improvising. With the scripting part,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: he could be a little stilted. As an actor, sometimes
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you could kind of, you know, like when he says,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Norm Manowar, I'm pregnant, and he says, congratulations. Anyway, I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: really wanted to be an actor, but he didn't really
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: have those chops. He still made three experimental films in
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the 60s that starred himself. And those were fun because, again,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of improvising going on. And he
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: was very sexy in Maceo. He was sort of like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: an Austin Powers character. He had this leather vest and
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: lots of chest hair and a hat and terrible teeth.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You know, great blue eyes. And I don't know if
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen him. I've just seen him with... And
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: all of his wives are like mother, his previous two wives,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: his current, like his mistress who became, you know, my sister,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Maggie's mom, Carol. And there's a scene between he and
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Carol where he there, he's singing, he's trying to get
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: her to sing. Cause Carol was a jazz singer and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: he was tone deaf. And so he's like, but Carol
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: would not sing. And so he kept trying to do that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites of all time.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Is this wait a minute can can we get these
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: films is.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: There anyone oh yeah absolutely what are they called i
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: have to see made that's maidstone there's a very there's
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: a really heavy scene at the end maidstone yeah like
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: the country club yes and and uh yes and then
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: hamptons yeah yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So they called it maidstone.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Maidstone that's the name of the film. It's about a
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: pornography director running for president. And the CIA is planning
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: an assassination attempt because they can't have that. I guess
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: things have changed, haven't they, Scott? So, yeah, my dad
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: plays the director.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Dad predicted the future.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really did. He really did.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So that's a film that you can get. You can
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: get that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I'm sure you can rent one. We
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: actually just did a deal, actually, to get it out there,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to get those three films. It's Beyond the Law, Wild 90,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and Maidstone. And Wild 90 is about a group of
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: gangsters that are in hiding at a, what do you
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: call it, like a safe house? or something like that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And it's with all of his buddies. And one of
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: them is Mickey Knox, who was a wonderful actor. He's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in it. I don't think he's in Maidstone. And then
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Beyond the Law is about a bunch of cops. I
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: haven't seen that one in a long time. I just
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: remember a bunch of cops in a bar drinking. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: my dad's an Irish cop with a terrible Irish accent.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, I have to see these. I have to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: see these.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: At the end, you're going to be, it's pretty heavy.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's in for a shock. Something that I dreamed about many,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: many years.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: If I have trouble acquiring these, can I email you
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to maybe get an inside track on getting these films?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'd appreciate that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: We had someone, a gentleman who's acting as sort of a,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I guess the film agent to sort of like, the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: contract just ended with Criterion.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And so he just did a new contract. So I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: think they should be available for streaming pretty soon.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's brilliant.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But again.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: That is brilliant.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I would think you'd be able to get them on
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Prime at least.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: All right. I'll look.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I think I have... I have some DVDs. I've actually
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: got the masters in my garage.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: What I wouldn't give. All right, so I'll be in touch.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It was delightful talking to you. Please, please, Stephen, come back.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: We'll do this again. You don't even, I mean, you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: were in the one episode. You're not in any other episodes, right?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I wish I had.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I wish I could have been like the, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Melissa McCarthy's the father of her baby. That would have been,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. Norman, I'm sorry. We're having tea
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: here because this is my girlfriend. I mean, it was
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: there for the taking.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, you have to come back on and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: guest host another episode that you're not in. And best
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: fans on the planet, thanks for all your downloads, cards,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and letters. We read every one of them. We so
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. And remember, where you lead, we will follow. Stephen,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on. Stephen Mailer, everybody. Stay safe, everyone. Hey, everybody,
• 33:08
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• 33:12
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