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M AND M EXTRA MAY 7, 2026  The power of prayer/ What is a lie?/ 2028 primaries · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Life.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Episode number four. Should we should we? Should we number them? Mark?
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  Speaker 2: Should we go?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why. Maybe I mean it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: cool because eventually we'll get to episode number one hundred one.
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  Speaker 2: Presumes will we You're very optimistic. I am gung ho,
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  Speaker 2: I am a believer. I am all in. We will
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  Speaker 2: get to triple digits. Well, we're on YouTube now now,
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  Speaker 2: now we're on the Mike Gallagher Show YouTube page. A
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  Speaker 2: little bit of there's some glitches on YouTube. We're trying
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  Speaker 2: to work through it all. This is all new territory
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  Speaker 2: for us. In fact, you know what I got open today.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about this the other day, the line, how
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  Speaker 2: how about to anybody who might be watching us live
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  Speaker 2: right now on YouTube on the Mike Gallagher Show page,
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  Speaker 2: you to you text us some feedback at eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: sixty five five six four five three tell us where
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  Speaker 2: you're watching tell us where you're you're you're what city
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  Speaker 2: you're in, what state you're in. I did something kind
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  Speaker 2: of neat today, Mark, following your lead of your daily prayer.
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  Speaker 2: I did prayer all throughout the show because it's the
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  Speaker 2: National Day of Prayer and it was.
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  Speaker 3: So special, and you gave this phone number that people
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  Speaker 3: were to called what what was that? I just got
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  Speaker 3: that as I was sitting back down, What what what
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  Speaker 3: was that?
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  Speaker 2: It was a voicemail, you know, you could leave a voicemail.
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  Speaker 2: And then we were doing prayers in and out of
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  Speaker 2: every break for for Mike Gallagher Show audience members who
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  Speaker 2: may be new to Mark Davis. Mark does every does
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  Speaker 2: a prayer every single day? When did you start doing that?
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  Speaker 3: Mark, You're well covid it was it was the middle
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  Speaker 3: week of Mark Wow there and being being spring break.
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  Speaker 3: I was on vacation, but at least and I were
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  Speaker 3: actually at a restaurant in Dallas and it was kind
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  Speaker 3: of swirling around and it was like my COVID's mad.
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  Speaker 3: Weird things are happening. They're just an atmosphere weirdness. And
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  Speaker 3: we could find hand sanitize with the stores, like what
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  Speaker 3: like we're in a weird post apocalyptic movie and we're
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  Speaker 3: in a restaurant and our server came up and said,
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  Speaker 3: Tom Hanks has it? I said, as what the COVID?
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  Speaker 3: It was like the COVID.
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  Speaker 2: The COVID.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so famous people are getting it must be real.
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  Speaker 3: Then he came back and said, the NBA just shut down.
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  Speaker 3: I said, for the night, for the season, for the season.
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  Speaker 3: So it became instantly clear stuff was happening. Things were
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  Speaker 3: hitting the fan. So I called the wonderful Paul Blizer,
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  Speaker 3: the stage of East Texas, who was filling in for me.
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  Speaker 3: I said, Paul, I need my show back, my brother.
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  Speaker 3: He said absolutely. So the following day I came back
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of vacation, reclaiming the show because everything
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  Speaker 3: was happening, and I thought, what's the first thing I
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  Speaker 3: should do? Should we be talking? Should we talk about
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  Speaker 3: virology or Wuhan or the lab or where it came from?
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  Speaker 3: Believe you me, we'd get to all of that what
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  Speaker 3: local officials were saying, and we'd get to all of
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  Speaker 3: that too. I said, you know what, everybody's scared out
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  Speaker 3: of their wits. What's going to happen. First thing I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna do is pray in my life and on my show,
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  Speaker 3: and I did, and I haven't stopped since because I
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  Speaker 3: started to ask myself when COVID faded into the rearview mirror,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, are we going to run out of
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  Speaker 3: stuff to stop praying about? So every day the prayer
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  Speaker 3: has taken on a form of bless us as we
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  Speaker 3: try to improve our country, give us the goodwill and
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  Speaker 3: energy to bring about the kind of things that we
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  Speaker 3: that we seek, and just help us reach out to people.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's been the prayer that has begun every day.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you for mentioning that.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you, And that's something we did today to
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  Speaker 2: kind of honor the National Day of Prayer. Incidentally, first
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  Speaker 2: text message from somebody watching live on our YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher's Show from Alamo, Tennessee. How about that? You
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  Speaker 2: ever heard of Alamo, Tennessee? I don't think that's the
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  Speaker 2: same one in Tellne.
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  Speaker 3: Only one Alamo I know of, and that's the one
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  Speaker 3: five miles from where I was born.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you Alamo Tennessee. Watching on the Mike Gallagher
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  Speaker 2: Show YouTube page of course we're live on YouTube and
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  Speaker 2: then later today wherever you get your podcasts we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be happy to release the M and M extra.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I really took on a sense of urgency
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  Speaker 2: with prayer today because of the darkness that I know
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  Speaker 2: that we're surrounded by, and gosh, Mark, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to bring everybody down, but I have to acknowledge something
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  Speaker 2: that was so repulsive to me. I'm a Star Wars fan.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't a fanatic. You and I talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. We joked about May the Fourth be with
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  Speaker 2: you on day one. Mark Hamill is the act Mark
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  Speaker 2: Hamill is the actor who played Luke Skywalker, and he's insufferable.
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  Speaker 2: He is a he is a Democrat. He was recently shown,
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  Speaker 2: i think, outside the Obama Presidential Library with former President Obama.
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  Speaker 2: So Mark Hamill is, I think it's fair to say
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  Speaker 2: a credible, bona fide Democrat, voice, an activist, whatever whatever
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  Speaker 2: way you want to describe him. I think he's relegated
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  Speaker 2: to going to like Pickwell, Ohio on the weekends for
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  Speaker 2: a Star Trek convention and signing plastic lightsabers. But when
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  Speaker 2: he's not doing that, he's doing his brand of political activism. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this week, he thought it would be special and important
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  Speaker 2: and productive to post on his Instagram with millions of
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  Speaker 2: followers a meme of President Donald Trump dead in the grave,
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  Speaker 2: surrounded by daisies, with the caption if only, And then
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  Speaker 2: he doubled down and he said, you know, on the
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  Speaker 2: other hand, I want him to be alive long enough
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  Speaker 2: to suffer humiliation and imprisonment and all the other crap
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  Speaker 2: these guys do. Now, Mark, I want to bounce this
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  Speaker 2: off of you. Imagine you or me posting a meme
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  Speaker 2: of Barack Obama dead in the grave with the caption
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  Speaker 2: with the words, if only you know, it'd be our
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  Speaker 2: last day. It would tak a career, that would be
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  Speaker 2: a career ender. Why oh why is it okay for
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  Speaker 2: these guys to do it?
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  Speaker 3: And possibly and possibly a visit from the Secret Service,
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  Speaker 3: because I gotta tell you, as we go back to
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  Speaker 3: the stupid James Comy shells in the sand, which I
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  Speaker 3: don't think meets that bar the kind you know, the
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  Speaker 3: if only posted by a person showing somebody actually dead. Clearly,
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  Speaker 3: I mean maybe that does. And it's weird the selective
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  Speaker 3: attention that the things like this get.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you always remind me of the things that we
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  Speaker 2: should ignore. And I debated bringing this up. I debated
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  Speaker 2: bringing it up on the show earlier today. But on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, I think we got to stare evil
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  Speaker 2: in the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I would I completely do. I mean, that's the wonderful
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  Speaker 3: quote from William James, and I employ it often. There
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  Speaker 3: is wisdom and knowing what and whom to ignore, and
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  Speaker 3: I usually apply that to a lot of crazed podcasters
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  Speaker 3: and others who have long since expired in my brain.
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  Speaker 3: But if there's some but these these days, in particular,
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  Speaker 3: with the safety of the president front of mine, famous
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  Speaker 3: and noteworthy people who are not just cavalier but act
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  Speaker 3: cheerleading about something violent, Yeah, that that really can't be
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  Speaker 3: ignored because there needs to be And I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know what this word looks like, accountability.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just tired of a lack of accountability. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: so fed up with the personal rage that these Trump
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  Speaker 2: haters bring to the dance. There's nothing more delicious than
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  Speaker 2: watching the panel on the five on Fox News turn
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  Speaker 2: on poor Jessica. Now, yesterday was magic and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to play this for you, Mark, because it was a
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  Speaker 2: great moment where Greg Gottfeld was expressing just complete bewilderment
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  Speaker 2: at why Trump critics and haters are so angry at
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  Speaker 2: those of us who support him. In other words, Greg's
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  Speaker 2: point was, Okay, you don't like him, you don't agree
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  Speaker 2: with him, that's fine, But why are you mad at
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  Speaker 2: us because we do support him? Here was a couple
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  Speaker 2: of minutes of magic on yesterday's The Five on Fox
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  Speaker 2: News Channel.
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  Speaker 4: I'm okay with you eighty Trump? Why aren't you okay
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  Speaker 4: with me liking him? If you could just look in
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  Speaker 4: the mirror and answer that question, liberals, you would feel
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  Speaker 4: so much better. Why does it bother you that people
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  Speaker 4: like Trump? Perhaps there's a large role in your dissatisfaction.
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  Speaker 4: It might be your own personal resentments. You may play
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  Speaker 4: a large role emotionally and how you feel about Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe if you get over that, you'll spend less time
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  Speaker 4: and effort being so miserable.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have an answer to that.
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  Speaker 3: Jessica, why do I care?
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  Speaker 5: Kim?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she cares?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, what do you have a theory about why
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  Speaker 5: liberals care so much that other people like Trump?
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  Speaker 3: Because he's like a completely morally bankrupt person. That's what
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  Speaker 3: should you care that I like him? I have accepted
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  Speaker 3: that you like him. But I think it's hard for
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  Speaker 3: people when they care.
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  Speaker 4: About someone's about Why do they care?
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  Speaker 3: Tell me why?
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  Speaker 4: What's underneath?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Care leads to voting, and then voting leads to why policy?
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  Speaker 4: If you like Trump, if he was your friend, I'd
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  Speaker 4: be much more chill about it.
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  Speaker 3: But he because you like him, he's my president.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's misdiagnosed. It has nothing to do with morality.
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  Speaker 5: You don't care about morality, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course we do.
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  Speaker 5: Carty doesn't support standards of morality anything. Why you can
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  Speaker 5: do drugs, you can be homeless, you can hit people,
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  Speaker 5: rape people, let other murderers into the country. You could
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  Speaker 5: do all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 3: They don't judge.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna let them.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna let the son of Sam out of Jam, the.
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  Speaker 2: Son of Sam.
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  Speaker 5: Do you guys apologize for to a guy who tried
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  Speaker 5: to shoot the president?
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  Speaker 3: Morality bill? Evangelicals to support a guy who is cheated
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  Speaker 3: on every single wife?
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  Speaker 2: That he who cares? If I like him?
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  Speaker 5: I said, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Why do Why do your peers?
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  Speaker 4: Why do you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing it?
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  Speaker 4: Scott Jennings, God, why do you?
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  Speaker 1: Why do liberals care?
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  Speaker 2: That we like him. It's because they.
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  Speaker 4: They cannot get themselves emotionally out of the way, and
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  Speaker 4: it bothers them. They know that they might be wrong,
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  Speaker 4: the sunk costs of hating somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Because we're all consequences. Not everybody thinks that way.
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  Speaker 5: Well I don't.
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  Speaker 3: We don't walk around and go what's the polling?
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  Speaker 2: Say what's then?
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  Speaker 3: Why are we looking at any of you know, video
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  Speaker 3: of Obama?
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  Speaker 2: What do you care?
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  Speaker 5: That suit was fly?
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  Speaker 2: And just let hit I like the suit? You did not?
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  Speaker 4: You definitely jab.
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  Speaker 5: Darn it you.
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  Speaker 3: You did not criticize him for that at the podium.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't even on the five back then. I definitely
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  Speaker 2: would not have. Now, now, Mark, here's the headline for media.
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  Speaker 2: I Once in a while they get it right. Jessica
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  Speaker 2: Tarloff speechless as Fox colleagues scream at her from all sides.
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  Speaker 3: She tried speech speechless because there was Greg, there was
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  Speaker 3: Paul Morrow, there was Jesse Waters. As we as we
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  Speaker 3: break this down a little bit, let me remind everybody
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  Speaker 3: welcome once again to M and M. Excrip and in there.
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  Speaker 3: Greg's main driving point is the odd imbalance you and
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  Speaker 3: I and every conservative we understand that there's a liberal
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  Speaker 3: America hate Trump's guts, and as long as you're not
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  Speaker 3: trying to kill him, it's an opinion that you're entitled to.
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  Speaker 3: Over on the left, though, a whole lot of people,
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  Speaker 3: not everybody, but a whole lot of people simply cannot fathom,
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  Speaker 3: cannot absorb, cannot process how in the world a sentient
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  Speaker 3: human being can admire him, like him, vote for him.
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  Speaker 3: I think this informs a lot of the phenomenon that
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  Speaker 3: we see because, let's say, conservative media, conservative commentary, your
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  Speaker 3: conservative family members. In seeking to discuss things with people
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  Speaker 3: who disagree with us, we say, hey, why do you
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  Speaker 3: feel the way you do? And we talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: We say, well, I disagree, and here's why and why.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of conversation with lefts begins with the default
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  Speaker 3: setting that we absolutely we must be crazy, we must
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  Speaker 3: be evil, we must be stupid to even harbor anything
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  Speaker 3: resembling Trump support. So the conversation doesn't even really start
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  Speaker 3: at there.
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  Speaker 2: And the easy answer that we've given for years is,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not a deflection, it's the truth. We don't
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  Speaker 2: expect the president of the United States to be our pastor.
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  Speaker 2: We are not looking to President Trump for necessarily spiritual
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  Speaker 2: guidance or biblical wisdom. He is not our pastor. We
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  Speaker 2: accept that he is, like all of us, a flawed
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  Speaker 2: human being. He is a brash, bare knuckled brawler from
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  Speaker 2: New York. He is a guy that came from the
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  Speaker 2: building business and the building construction. He was a mogul,
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  Speaker 2: He is a reality TV star. He is the most
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  Speaker 2: unconventional president we've ever had. And we just we get that. Look,
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  Speaker 2: you and I both expressed dismay when he mocked Rob
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  Speaker 2: Reiner and John McCain, and you know, and Robert not
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  Speaker 2: our favorite thing, you know, it's not. But then again,
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  Speaker 2: give me a policy that he has rolled out that
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  Speaker 2: we are opposed to. There are very few, if any, And.
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  Speaker 3: That's what just kills me. Whenever somebody comes in. I know,
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  Speaker 3: what happens to you happens to me all the time.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in view of some tweet or some post
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  Speaker 3: or some something, how can you support him now? How
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  Speaker 3: can you support him now? And the answer just keeps
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  Speaker 3: coming back, results, results, results, So I wass ask people,
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  Speaker 3: as a conservative, tell me why I should bail on
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  Speaker 3: the president who brought me gender sanity, brought me environmental sanity, fixed,
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  Speaker 3: the borders, lowered, the taxes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Again,
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  Speaker 3: if you can tell me, in a policy based vein,
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  Speaker 3: why I, as a conservative, should bail on him, I
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  Speaker 3: will listen to you.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a personal question. Do you have
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  Speaker 2: your morning prayer memorized or do you read it?
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  Speaker 3: It's funny since I change it somewhat. I have the
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  Speaker 3: sort of the bullet points that I cover, and so
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  Speaker 3: mostly it's baked in. But it's not the exact same
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  Speaker 3: every day because there's something obviously, when the when the
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  Speaker 3: war fired up, or when our our very good our
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  Speaker 3: colleague Chad Hasty up and Lubbock passed away, we asked
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  Speaker 3: God to welcome him into his loving care, so it
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  Speaker 3: changes up a little bit. So it's welt like it's
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same everything. I just had a texture. Who's
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  Speaker 3: watching us right now in Los Angeles say can you both?
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  Speaker 3: Can you both share your prayers?
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  Speaker 2: Because I had one for today as well, and I
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to do that because this is the National
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  Speaker 2: day of Prayer.
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  Speaker 3: By all, let me thank, let me thank the text
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  Speaker 3: line and achieve text line of equity by that's by
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  Speaker 3: offering mine, because it's like, if Mike's is busy, I'm
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  Speaker 3: teasing if the eight six six six six oh five
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  Speaker 3: seven five nine eight six six six six oh five
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  Speaker 3: seven five nine and Mike's is eight hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty five five six four five three eight hundred sixty
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  Speaker 2: five five Mike, and just text you one of us
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  Speaker 2: and Mark, we'll see the texts to him. I'll see
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  Speaker 2: the text to me. It's kind of fun. I like
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  Speaker 2: that kind of interaction on our new podcast Space. But
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, why don't you share your prayer with the audience,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'll share the prayer that I wrote for
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  Speaker 2: today's show on The Mike Gallagher.
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  Speaker 3: Show, Fantastic. Here are the this is this is really cool.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of behind the music on how because and
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about it. Just do it. Lord, We thank
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  Speaker 3: you every day for this blessed nation and for your
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  Speaker 3: hand in creating it. Fill our hearts with the energy
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  Speaker 3: to defend the freedoms which come from you, which our
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  Speaker 3: nation was founded to protect. These are times filled with
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to improve our great nation. So as we fight
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  Speaker 3: for what we believe in. Help us to carry a
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  Speaker 3: positive spirit, treating others as we would want to be treated.
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  Speaker 3: We know we are always going to face challenges, So
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  Speaker 3: lift us as we follow your word and work for
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  Speaker 3: a better America where our constitution is honored, our borders work,
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  Speaker 3: where our schools and public spaces are safe, where we
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  Speaker 3: protect the unborn, where we fight for the definition of
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  Speaker 3: the two sexes created by You, in a where we
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  Speaker 3: have to get any differences with honesty and goodwill, and
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  Speaker 3: where our freedoms of speech and worship are protected. As
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  Speaker 3: we face each day's problems, give us the clarity to
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  Speaker 3: look around and cherish our many blessing in our nation.
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  Speaker 3: Our great state of text is our communities and our families,
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  Speaker 3: because we know that if we follow you, Lord, we
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  Speaker 3: know we can get through anything. And we ask these
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  Speaker 3: things in your Holy name, Amen.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way. The Mark Davis Show starts every
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  Speaker 2: morning on six sixty am The Answer in the Dallas
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  Speaker 2: Fort Worth Metroplex. Here's the prayer that I composed for
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  Speaker 2: today's show in honor of this very special day that, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we spend enough time talking about. We
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: need to talk about the power of prayer, the strength
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: of our faith, the goodness and grace of God, our saviors.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So here's what I wrote, Heavenly Father, on this national
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: day of prayer. We come before your throne with grateful hearts,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: thanking you for the blessings of liberty and the rich
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: heritage of faith that founded this great nation. As we
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: get rather across America to seek your face, grant wisdom, courage,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: and clarity to our leaders, our military, and all who
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: serve in positions of authority. Guide my words today on
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: this program, Lord, let them reflect your truth. Defend the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: principles of our constitution, protect the innocent, strengthen our families,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and point this audience toward righteousness and hope in Christ.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Shield our country from division and evil, Revive our spirit
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: of unity under your sovereign hand, and draw us nearer
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to you as a people. We pray all this in
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the mighty name of Jesus Christ, Our Lord. Amen.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: So there we go, man, couple of protections. There's an
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: element to yours that is a part of this kind
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: of funny that is before the show for the audience
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: about things kind of prayer on when I get up
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: in the morning and I get in the car and
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: walk into the building and sit here before cracking the
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: micro doing anything. There's a little you know moment I
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: spend just me and God, no audience involved. And it
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: was a key element that you just mentioned, and that
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: is Lord, blessed with this gig, this platform, this opportunity.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Please give me the wisdom to follow your guidance, your light,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: be a beacon for you in these things that I
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: talk about. Bring bring health and energy to me in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: this exploit, and bring health and prosperity and just good
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: things to everybody listening. Just just to kind of you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: we should always be mindful, very very mindful of that.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: And just as a little PostScript on the people who
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: pray before they do department, before they do something. Department.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: There's someone huge in the popular culture right now that
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: if you go and you see his amazing tour in
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: progress right now, it begins on a massive screen with
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: him walking into a church, hitting his knees in front
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of a stained glass window and saying, Lord, guide me
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: in this performance, keep me and the people performing with
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: me safe and in your care, and bless this audience
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: and keep them safe as they have come to see me,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: and watch over them as they go home tonight. Know
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: who that is no who that the incomparable Bruno Mars.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Oh we at list and I went and there's just
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: no just there's just no no better flip and show.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, and people who are under eighty. The Stones
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: are putting out a new album, Mike the Stones of
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: another album coming out in like a couple of weeks.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: They're one hundred and twelve. But that Bruno Mars show
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that we did here in DFW was just great, and
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: that is how it started. And we just kind of
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: looked at each other and said, well, no matter what
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: happens now, this is a good night.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It also happened to be one of.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: The finest shows you could ever see.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And you both looked at each other and said, you're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: at the right in the right place. Look, I think
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I think we both take what we do very We
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: take this responsibility very seriously. And you know, we mentioned COVID.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It felt it hit me during those difficult, turbulent times
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: about the importance of being responsible, of not deceiving, of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: not giving anybody a false impression or to give anybody
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a false read on anything. You know, you and I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: come into these studios with a full heart and a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: good faith effort to do the best job we can do.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: We never ever ever believe in deceiving or twisting. We
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: express our opinions, we wear our beliefs on our sleeve,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: but we have I think we both I can speak
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: for both of us. We know that this is a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: heavy responsibility. It's an important role, and we're blessed to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: do it, and we are blessed to be able to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: bring you again. Episode number four of the M and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: M podcast really kind of a just kind of an
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: acknowledgment mark about what we do and why we do it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's worth worth our time.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It is and as virtually everything else can do. It
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: creates twelve other thoughts in my head. I'll narrow it
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: down to one of them. You mentioned about a responsibility.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We have to shoot straight, to not deceive, to not guide,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Things are so so weird and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fluid and subjective. Obviously, everything we say we believe, Obviously
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: everything we wouldn't say, anything that we know to be false,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and an attempt. That's the definition of a lie. In fact,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: here's today's handy fact. What is a lie? A lie
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: is something you say that you know to be false.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: And you say it with the intent to deceive. What's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: important about that last thing is if your five year
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: old says, Daddy, does this look like you? I just
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: drew a picture, and of course it doesn't look like
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: a rock with arms. Of course it does, Darling. That
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: is obviously not a lie, because there's no intention to deceive.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: During COVID during the twenty twenty election, you and I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: we both did this, and I think it's good that
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: we did this when people often didn't know exactly what
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: to believe, what was true, what was the law, what
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: was the science, what's going on, what's going to change,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: what's real, what's possible. I certainly found that I had
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: to attach a qualifier to some things. It's like, Okay,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I know what I believe, I know what I considered
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: it true. I'm gonna welcome some other views and share
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: with you. I mean, early, early on, we played some
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: clips of Fauci before his brand got ruined, because he
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: was like the guy before he proved himself thoroughly unworthy
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: of being the guy. And so it's kind of a
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: process that I think the best process we can engage
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: in is to bring a bunch of voices a bunch
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: of theories, a bunch of opinions, and say, I got
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: my favorites. You guys may differ, but here's a little
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: bit of everything, and let us let us be a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: pipeline for a wide variety of things that are being said,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and let people kind of pick and choose their favorites.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That make well, it's a there's a very important distinction.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And when I am accused of lying to the audience,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I really bristle because that happens fairly regularly from people
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: who don't agree with my point of view. And the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: point is, I believe there are broadcasters. I believe there
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: are pundits. I believe there are people who deliberately deceive.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And I think that goes it gets baked into this
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: whole podcast space that we are in right now. For example,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you can go through the podcast world of the conspiracy
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: theories about Charlie Kirk's assassination, which which is really a
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you talk about going down a rabbit hole. The narrative
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that's been that's been presented is that Charlie was souring
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: on Israel. He was his support for Israel was waning. Reportedly,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: he was tired of turning point USA donors pressuring him,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and he was resentful of that. He felt he was
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: being bullied and harangued into something that he didn't necessarily
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: fully agree with. And so, as the story goes, Israel
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: knew he was turning on them, and they in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: state of Israel, notably bb net and Yahoo, had a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: hand in the assassination of Charlie Kirk that fateful day
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: in September at Utah Valley University whatever it was called.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And and then some of these podcasters and there's no
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: sense in calling out by name. I mean, we know
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: who's out there, and yeah, well Candace has led it,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: but other ways, but others are sort of embracing that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: as well. There's a lot of mini Candaces. I think,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: who are who are embracing this? And what they do
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: is they present supposed text messages from Charlie. They present,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, sources that they claim they have that confirm something.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And I get a takeaway that there's a deliberate effort
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to deceive here. There is an absolute intentional lie pattern
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that emerges. Now I don't know that for sure. I'm
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: sure that that her fans and others would say she's
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: telling the truth. She is this is the way she
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: sees it. She's just a But when you're introducing like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: text messages and and and chats that you've had with
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: sources that may or may not be true, Mark that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to me, that's completely contrary to what the Mark Davis
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Show or the Mike Gallagher Show does every day, or
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: what you and I do together now on the eminem Extra.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: We're never gonna pretend that something exists that doesn't exist.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But I'm not sure we can say that Mark about others.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're gonna say that about Canada.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: There's only one other possibility, going back to my I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: think pretty firm definition of a lie. Something you know
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to be untrue, that you say with the intent to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: deceive you very properly said a minute ago, that you
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: can't read. Minds don't know it like we know our
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: own names. So either either they have something in front
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: of them that they know is false and say I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: gonna spread this anyway, which would be a lie to
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: be deceptive, or they are so gullible or so deep
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in the we see what we wish to see phenomenon
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that they absorb it, they buy it, and they go
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: with it. And they actually believe it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and that's a that's a possibility because
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: look when you do, when you try to connect the dots,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and that's the whole Tucker approach. Tucker's approach, and you've
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: mocked this for years. I used to love watching him
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: every night eight pm Eastern, seventh Central on Fox New's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Never Missed the show. He was appointment watching. To me,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: it was the best thing on television. I haven't watched
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: his podcast. I don't really follow him very much. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: know he interviewed Thomas Massey this week, of all people,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: of course, who may very well lose in his primary
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: coming up in just a matter of dates.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: One can only hope.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: But Tucker's approach is I'm just asking questions. I'm just
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: asking questions. Candace does it too. I mean, I'm just
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: asking questions. But what they do is very clever. You
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: look at a timeline, you say, look he was he
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was killed on September the tenth, and then by September fourteenth,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: these things were happening. And this happened with Turning Point,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and this happened with Mikey and Jerrem all this stuff,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and now it's expanded. These battles have included Ben Shapiro
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the Daily Wire. I had a long conversation with a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: broadcast executive this morning who said, how are you reading
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: these reports? So the Daily Wire is really really struggling
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: right now. They're laying people off. Well, no secret. Candace
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: has set her sights on Daily Wire.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Is she impacting that everybody's all called kinds of media
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: organizations are blowing people away and constricting and down sizing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: That's not yeah, maybe.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Well are they? Is Tucker's media fight them declining his candaces?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Is Megan Kelly's By the way, quick sidebar? Can I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: just salute the guy that co founded Dave Ramsey's empire
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: is apparently retiring, And forgive me, I don't have his
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: name in front of him, and he's not in front
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of the microphone or camera like Dave is. Dave's been
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: at this for decades. And if you can find his name,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: mark because I want to wish him. I want to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: wish him well, But you do you Kennedy Coleman, So,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Ken Coleman, after thirty years, that Dave Ramsey is retiring,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and God bless him, he's been grooming somebody to replace him.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: He's been working on a succession plan. But Dave, of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: course is a maybe.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Or maybe that's a guy who retired already. Hang on
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a second, the guy who's leaving. That was Blake Thompson. Sorry, okay,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I thought kid, I actually did see and I also.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Said, Blake Thompson is the guy who's retiring.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Now, retiring July twenty one after thirty years. While I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: have you, and while I have you, I think it's fiefdom.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: But continue, what did I say?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Five to them?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That's okay?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Like af okay, school marmed, Sorry our good granny fifere
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: The text line fires, no kidding, no so. But but
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: do you know how many people work for Dave Ramsey?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You know how many people he's got in his media empire.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be huge.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Guess how many people do you think over.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: There at Ramsey Solutions in Middle Nashville, Tennessee. Yep, yes,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: i'd be still. I don't know if it's one hundred,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: one thousand, I don't know.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's a thousand. It's a thousand people. Now think about that,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Think about a thousand people who crank out the great
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: financial advice that he gives. He has tapped into churches
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and faith based communities for years. I just want to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and he's a great guy. I've gotten to meet him
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: a few times.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I've had him on the show a couple of times too.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: His daughter Rachel. He's often does the show alongside some
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: other people, and you know, speaking of you know, the
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: phones in our hands and the algorithms and stuff. I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: think I watched a couple of Dave clips, and now
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: all it does is give me Dave clips fifteen times
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: a day. It's two minute excerpts of Dave talking to
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a woman off the ledge because her husband just left
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: her and he has all the control of the bank accounts.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Are some guy who's you know, twenty three and has
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars a gambling debt, I'm kind of fat.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I think Dave is one of the most valuable voices
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: in just financial and common life sense perspectives around today.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: So I join you in being a big guy fan
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: of him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And I love what the retiring executives said. They did
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a big profile of Garrett Seawright, our friend over at
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Barrett Media and the Barrett Media, by the way, doing great,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: great work every day covering our industry. But they quoted
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: him as the retiring executive is saying, look, radio ain't
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: going anywhere. Radio is a driving force. He says, I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: always shocked at the amount of people who are listening
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to the radio every day. There are surveys that show
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: ninety ninety two percent of people hear a radio show
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: at one point or during every day. But I just
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to take a moment to congratulate him, because there
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: are plenty of media groups that are doing just fine.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And look at us as we continue to expand. Here
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: today on episode number four of the M and M podcast.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You know, Dave gave me a lot of grief. By
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the way, about my black card. Somebody wrote, Dave Ramsey,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he nailed me. He went on the air
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and publicly chastised me because of my American Express they
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: call it the Centurion card. Kind of hard to get.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: And I got a little edge because many years ago,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: when I was doing mornings at WABC in New York,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the then head of American Express was listening to the show.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's one thing about listen. If you're in a big
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: market like Dallas or New York or LA, you get
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: famous people. Mark Cuban is known to be a Mark
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Davis fan, so there's a lot of famous people that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: can listen to us. Well, he was listening one day
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and sent me in a lacquered like a Chinese lacquered box,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a black card now the American Express Centurion card. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: can I tell you a kind of a heartwarming, in
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: some ways heart breaking story. One of the last exchanges
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I had with Charlie. With Charlie Kirk, Charlie was annoyed
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that I had a black card and he didn't, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: he was trying to get me to help him get
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: his own black card.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Let's tell let's tell everybody what's magical about that. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I'm at the point of an amex life where I
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: don't really I've got one that doesn't have a spending limit,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: like that's a good thing. Dave would just beat me
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to a pulp for that, because keep in mind that
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the reason Dave Ramsey gave Mike Gallagher grief about the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: black card is because it's a card, and Dave doesn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: think you ought to have any of them ideally, And
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I tried to be a good citizen about that. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: try to pay them off all you pay them off
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: every month, and not you know, achieve a lot of
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: revolving debt. But what what what golden grand poohba status
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: comes with a black cart?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Well, he eviscerated me. He said, having an American Express
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Centering card is the stupidest thing anybody could do. Mike
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Gallagher is a big dummy for having that vanity card.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But I will share that the perks are pretty amazing.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It is. Well if you if you pull it out
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: in Vegas, the when you're checking in, they're going to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: automatically upgrade you to a suite for free because they
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: think you're there. I think you're a high roller. There
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is no limit, of course, on a black card, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I mean no limit. Let me tell you a true
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: here's a true story, a true story. Checking into a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: hotel once in New York City last year, just a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: year ago. Yeah, and I pulled out the black card
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to check into the hotel room and the lady Ellen
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: behind the counter accidentally typed in that my bill, my
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: bill was going to be two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, okay, no.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Problem, four to a million dollars.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: She swiped it and it cleared, it went through. I
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: about had a heart attack, I said, Ellen, you did
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you It was supposed to be twenty five hundred dollars
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: for the nine nights or whatever. It was two hundred
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and fifty thousand. It went through and the colored drained
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: from her face. She started to cry. I said, look,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I can't afford two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: six days. I know you have a nice hotel. Well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: of course, got on the phone. But to show you
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: there's no limit. Now you could buy a house with
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: this thing. And it's kind of cool because you get
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: like a concierge. There's a line you can call to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: get travel arrangements. You get a lot of perks, you
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: get the Hurtz President's Club, you get a lot of
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: benefits in it. The truth the matter is you get
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: benefits that those of us should, None of us should
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: have these benefits. You should give it to somebody who
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: can't afford a black card, I guess. And it is
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: not for nothing. It's not for nothing. It's seventy five
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars a year doing a card. Stop it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. There's a fee, right,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: is there a fee?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Seventy five hundred a year?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: You feel that you get seven thousand, five hundred dollars
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: of perk benefit back for that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't care. I have a black card
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and you don't. And it drove crazy. And with that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: my case, I rest my case, your honor. No, it's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: it's funny how it's been popularized in the culture too.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I mean some of the rappers, some of them is
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: talking about a black card, having the MX black card
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: kind of and it's and by the way, it's it's titanium.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: It's a touchy, real quick being a history that I
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: want to cram in today because we may be talking
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: about Marco Rubio on and off, like almost every day
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: for the next couple of years, but you've touched on it,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: and we touch on the radio, and just here's a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: little chunk of history because I did a little deeper
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: dive because you have said, and with plentiful reasons, that
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: you've got a kind of a feeling in your gut
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: right now that Marco Rubio flat out is going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: be our nominee in twenty twenty eight and how do
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you look at him and not think that? And let
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: us say for the five thousandth time, there's nothing the
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: matter with JD. Vance. We love JD. And obviously there's
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a guy named DeSantis with some talent as well, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: all of the things being equal, being Secretary of State,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: home run after home run. Gosh, it just looks like
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Marco and it kind of does to me too, until
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I hit this history wall. Sitting sitting vice presidents seeking
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the gig. They're incredibly hard to beat. It has happened
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: extremely rarely, and usually with some odd asterisk attached. Albin
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Barkley in nineteen fifty two, Harry Truman had decided not
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: to run again. Albin Barkley said, hey, maybe I will.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Had like no support at all, because Truman himself wanted
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to at lea Stevens say. John Nance Garner in nineteen
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: forty sought the presidency, but that was because he didn't
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: think that FDR should be running anymore, so everybody hated
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: him immediately. There's almost no example in the modern era
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: of a sitting vice president running again. Now, they'd always
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: get the presidency ask Al Gore, thank god, Kamala Harris,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: thank god, but they're almost never denied the nomination. There's
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: this aura of the air apparent that will drape around JD.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Vance unless a there's something just the matter with JD.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Vans He's just not been as sharp as he has
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: been so far, or the argument is so cut and dry,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and Marco is just so compelling that we say, JD.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: God love you, but this is our guy.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you look at the list, I mean,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: this is intriguing because I wanted you to finish the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: equation because I was trying to rack my brain and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: think who are the sitting vice presidents who successfully were
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: got elected president? And you can start with John Adams,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: continue with Thomas Jefferson, then Martin Van Buren and hey,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Richard Nixon ring a bell? How about George hw Bush
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and of course, most tragically Joe Biden. So plenty of
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: vice presidents in our history who have successfully achieved president.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: How about Look, this is what I love about even
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: propping up Marco Rubio the way we have. What about
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a ticket in twenty twenty eight that features JD. Vance
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and Marco Rubio? JD. Vance with Roco Rubio as his
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: vice presidential running mate. You tell me what Democrats going
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to beat that ticket?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: It is incredibly attractive. I absolutely love it. It settles
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the binary choice of either or there are people who
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: love Rubio so much that they're saying, wait a minute,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: how about if you flip that, make Rubio the top
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: of the ticket. But then you're asking JD. Vance to
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: be the number two guy again, which just isn't going
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: to happen. You're also asking we downside it there is
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: This is why I kind of dog gun at Marco.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Run against your buddy, run against your buddy, and make
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: us pick. Of course, once we pick maybe the other
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: guys available to be VP, if it is Vance Rubio,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: how many twenty twenty eight, that'll be in twenty thirty six.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I'm doing the math right, no math on the podcast.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty eight, then twenty thirty two. It'll be twenty
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: thirty six before Rubio can even actually run for president
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: because he'll be there fused to President JD. Vance, which
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: is lovely in a lot of ways. But yikes, I mean,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I think you sound to me like somebody who wants
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: President Rubio.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Sooner rather than later. But what a nice problem to
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: have to say that again. Vibrant, young, compelling figures of
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: American politics that are that are not going anywhere for
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a long time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: But what But I just is there anybody unluckier? And
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just dog Gunet, just dog Gonet than Ron DeSantis,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: who's only like the best governor in America.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: It's not unlucky. He's not likable. He's not likable. I'm sorry,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: he's just not And I you know, and you said
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: something the other day, you said, well, when you see
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: him sit down and do interviews and all that, he's
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: pretty likely. I've gone back. No, he's not. He's not.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: He's he is the best governor in America, bar nun.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He's effective, he's decisive, he is strong, he is uh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: he's he's got integrity. He just doesn't have that likability factor.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you you gotta have it in America these days.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: You gotta be liked. You gotta be somebody. You're gonna
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: crawl over glass, broken glass, for he doesn't have it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Mark and forget the stuff off the air. And I
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: can tell everybody that story if you want. He's pretty easy.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I think he got personal bag. But it's not that's
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: not it. I promise that's not it. I promise that's
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: not it. But but he is known to be prickly
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and difficult and kind of edgy and not very pleasant
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: in person, so what that doesn't matter. But he's not
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: He doesn't come up, he doesn't exude a likability factor.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And I say that as a Floridian, absolutely.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: You know what.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: And I have to grudge it, not grudgingly say that
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you're right. It's not that he's unlikable or just. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: but when you look at Vance, when you get Rubio,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: there's just a personal magnetism.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that when they smile at the camera,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you feel like they're smiling at you. And unfortunately, this
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: is the American idol world we're in. You know, it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: just like we're swelling. You know. He smiled, he looked,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: he smiled at us, He touched me and on that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: happy note, Happy Thursday, Happy National Prayer Day, and uh,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I kind of liked that. We got managed to get
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: through episode four. Nothing blew up, nobody banned us, nobody
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: nobody assaulted us. And uh we have number four in
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the can my friend for the M and M extra
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: pretty good day.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Huh, it is a spectacular day.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: See you tomorrow, See you tomorrow,