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Hamate bones headline long injury report, Multiple fresh signings, FT Network announces 3 new shows! · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: not one, not two, but three new shows and one.
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't want to see the never wanted to
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  Speaker 2: but it's just more about the fact that, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the Tommy John and the Jay I forgot.
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  Speaker 1: KP said, new adventure with some cool dudes. That's gonna
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  Speaker 1: And one of those names is actually our first guest
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  Speaker 1: of the day, a breaking news, last minute guest because
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  Speaker 1: of the rash of injuries hitting our sport. It is
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  Speaker 1: Will Carroll joining us right now. He's got an awesome newsletter,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about, and of course we'll cover the show.
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  Speaker 1: Injury Territory will great to have you on. But first
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  Speaker 1: let's start with hammett bones, because they are taking over
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  Speaker 1: the day spring training begins. And usually it's pitchers that
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  Speaker 1: dominate the beginning of spring training, but this injury has
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  Speaker 1: now popped up for Francisco, Lindor Surgery, Corbyn Carol Surgery,
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  Speaker 1: and Young Jackson Holiday of the Orioles. All of them
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  Speaker 1: look like they'll miss the beginning of the season. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: Lindor makes it back in time.
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  Speaker 5: But what do you think, Yeah, this is a terrible
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  Speaker 5: run of bad luck clusters. We often see these, and
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  Speaker 5: because it's all stars, because it's players that are super
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  Speaker 5: fantasy relevant, it makes it seem like, oh, no, what
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  Speaker 5: is going on? Is it something? It just pitches inside
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  Speaker 5: and guy's not wearing a path. The hammt bone is
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  Speaker 5: right here, it's right basically under the pinky, and it's
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  Speaker 5: got kind of a hook on it, so it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: heal well, doesn't get a lot of blood flow. That
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  Speaker 5: hook never comes back on. So the easiest thing is
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  Speaker 5: just to go down in there and either cut that
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  Speaker 5: hook off and pull it out or take the whole
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  Speaker 5: bone out. They don't love doing that whole bone removal
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  Speaker 5: at this point, just because we realize now how complex
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  Speaker 5: the wrist is. There's a lot of structure in there,
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  Speaker 5: not just bone, but you know, cartilage and ligaments and
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  Speaker 5: tendons and blood vessels and nerves, and if it's not
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  Speaker 5: all right together all those little tiny structures, sometimes it
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  Speaker 5: gets out of whack. And that's why these injuries are
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  Speaker 5: so tough. It's not that bones don't heal, it's that
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  Speaker 5: we often see a power drop. It used to be
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  Speaker 5: for six weeks after why six weeks, no idea, but
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  Speaker 5: for six weeks after, guys would just not be able
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  Speaker 5: to hit. It was Pablo Sandoval that really epitomized this.
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  Speaker 5: He had both of them knocked out, and in both
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  Speaker 5: cases six weeks almost no power. Suddenly something clicks and
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  Speaker 5: he's hitting the ball out of the park again. So
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  Speaker 5: for Holiday, for Carol, for Lindor a little bit. His
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  Speaker 5: is a little bit different in that he was a
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  Speaker 5: stress reaction rather than an acute injury where he took
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  Speaker 5: a pitch off it. So there is still some question
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  Speaker 5: about that and we're still trying to figure out exactly
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  Speaker 5: what's going on there with Carol on holiday. It's as
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  Speaker 5: simple as can be, but still terrible because these could
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  Speaker 5: have been prevented.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm gonna we're gonna have a little quick
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  Speaker 2: not argument, but I'm gonna go against what you said. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I broke my handmate, ninety nine percent of the time,
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  Speaker 2: and I have this car to prove it. You break
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  Speaker 2: it on the knob of your bat swinging. It has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with getting hit by the pitch. What
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  Speaker 2: happens is it's actually you're handmaid is right here in
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  Speaker 2: your hand and a little hook and they go in
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  Speaker 2: and they take that hook out. But most of the
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  Speaker 2: time it's from because most guys, I'm sure krats used
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  Speaker 2: to have it too. You get we used to call
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  Speaker 2: him a turdy. I don't know what the technical term
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  Speaker 2: is for it, but you get the little blood things
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  Speaker 2: built up from with the knob of your bat. So here,
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  Speaker 2: if I grabbed his bat right and you put the knob,
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  Speaker 2: most guys hit with their the hand off the bat
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  Speaker 2: like this, and so that knob sits right where my
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  Speaker 2: handmai bone is right. And so after swing after swing
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  Speaker 2: after swing after swing, eventually you hit one it breaks
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  Speaker 2: that little, that little hook off and it hurts like hell.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, it hurts like hell. And you know what
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  Speaker 2: else says this a lot? Golfers do this a lot
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  Speaker 2: because then when they hit like a root or they
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  Speaker 2: hit a rock or something, it breaks that little hook off.
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  Speaker 2: And when you say six weeks, yes, six weeks is
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  Speaker 2: about right now. I did mine at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the year, so I was in the off season, didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw David Ortiz try to play through this,
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  Speaker 2: and he could. He lost a lot of his power.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not because you the pain or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: You lose it because you lose strength in your hand
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  Speaker 2: because your hand is basically immobilized for three to four weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and then you lose strengthen your wrists, so it takes
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit of time to get that back.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, six weeks is conservative. But I tell all
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  Speaker 2: these guys, will take your time. It's the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the year. Take your time, make sure you're right. If
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  Speaker 2: you missed the first week of the season, it's worth
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  Speaker 2: it to get the rest of the time. But yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's a weird je no one's ever heard of.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great point because I think this does contrast
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  Speaker 5: what happened between these acute injuries and what happened for
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  Speaker 5: Lindor that stress reaction. Like you were saying, there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of terms for it where you get that irritation.
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  Speaker 5: But now that we have the scanners that can go
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  Speaker 5: in there and get the image and see, oh it's
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  Speaker 5: not broken, but something's happening, it doesn't like this. You
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  Speaker 5: felt that you knew something was going on there and
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  Speaker 5: then it finally goes. They're catching this on thendor before
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  Speaker 5: it goes. So what do we do. Do we go
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  Speaker 5: in there and just take the thing out, be done
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  Speaker 5: with it, make sure it doesn't happen again. Do we
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  Speaker 5: change something he's doing, you know, the back handle itself.
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  Speaker 5: There's the whole axe bat thing and grip changes and
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  Speaker 5: things that purport to help with that. So we'll see
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  Speaker 5: where it goes. But again that there are ways this
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  Speaker 5: could have been prevented, including just wearing a pad over
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  Speaker 5: the hand. Ajay.
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  Speaker 4: Well it'll kill your show if we prevent all injuries.
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  Speaker 4: But there's no such thing as preventing all injuries. Francesco
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  Speaker 4: Lindor out of all these three, is a switch hitter?
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  Speaker 4: Is there any chance that they search out the possibility
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  Speaker 4: of maybe taking the other one out while he gets
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  Speaker 4: the same one done while he gets so that he
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  Speaker 4: never has this on the other side.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's an interesting idea, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: think most doctors would consider it because it's healthy in theory,
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  Speaker 5: he's been healthy this whole time. You could do that
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  Speaker 5: with any player, you know, we could go in there
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  Speaker 5: and replace everybody's ACL and UCL and pull both hammets
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  Speaker 5: and do all that at the start of the career
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  Speaker 5: and make sure they never happened. But usually doctors are very,
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  Speaker 5: very reluctant to do surgeries before they're medically necessary. So
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  Speaker 5: I would say no on.
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  Speaker 2: This though it's a great idea, yeah, but it would
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  Speaker 2: still hurt. I mean, listen, even if you switch hit
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  Speaker 2: okay in a pad, the pad on here does not
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  Speaker 2: help from breaking inside. Like you can wear a pad
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  Speaker 2: here all day long. Yeah, but you actually do this
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  Speaker 2: from swinging. I can tell you the exact swing I
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  Speaker 2: did it off of one. I mean I remember I
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  Speaker 2: swung and I was like, that's not right. Okay. So
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  Speaker 2: but for Lindor switch hit or so he broke his
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  Speaker 2: left one okay, which is his bottom one. Usually break
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  Speaker 2: your bottom hand, So I would say, theoretically, did this
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  Speaker 2: hitting right handed? Okay, so then to go and switch
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  Speaker 2: left in and it's not the problem of the pain.
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  Speaker 2: When I did mine, I could barely move my fingers.
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  Speaker 2: My hand was literally stuck like this until they went in.
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  Speaker 2: And it's some stuff because yes, so he like, technically,
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  Speaker 2: they go, why don't he just hit left handed? Well,
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  Speaker 2: if he didn't have his top hand strength, then it
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  Speaker 2: still won't work. Plus he also catches left handed with
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  Speaker 2: his glove, so he would have to have the feeling
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  Speaker 2: in his hand. So it's not as simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds great on paper, like just only
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  Speaker 2: hit left handed, but you still need that top end
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  Speaker 2: and you still need to catch the ball as a shortstop.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's not an outfielder or someone that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get the ball every play, so it's it's not the
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  Speaker 2: best thing. And then for like Corbyn Carroll and Jackson Holiday.
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday, they broke their right hand on the bottom
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  Speaker 2: hand Corbyn Carroll's lefty, so it's a little different now
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday. But like I told you guys yesterday, we
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  Speaker 2: talked about I couldn't throw the ball back to the
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  Speaker 2: pitcher when I did. Mind, I had to have the umpire.
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  Speaker 2: It hurt that. I was like, please throw it. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong with I'm like, just throw? Get to this
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  Speaker 2: sitting right, So Jackson Allday playing second base, the throw
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  Speaker 2: would become an issue.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, that nerve is very, very involved. The other
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  Speaker 5: thing was switch hitters. It is a two handed game,
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  Speaker 5: so there's there's not a place where you can kind
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  Speaker 5: of hide it. There is some theory we've had more
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  Speaker 5: switch hitters have this injury. So because they're doing two
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  Speaker 5: different things, is there an imbalance? Is it taking different forces?
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  Speaker 5: Nobody's terribly sure of this, but it's something we're getting
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  Speaker 5: more of again, just because we have better scanners, and
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  Speaker 5: I do want to lock in on lind'or his is
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  Speaker 5: not fractured. Stress reaction is something we're hearing more and
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  Speaker 5: more of because again better scanners, we're seeing these things earlier.
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  Speaker 5: Can we prevent them maybe? Can we learn from them? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 5: So figuring out what the best practice for that is
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  Speaker 5: something that's still really being figured out.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, well, let's move to some other injuries. I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: going to pick a team for this next one. The
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  Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays Anthony Santander shoulder surgery that was a
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  Speaker 1: problem for him last year. It looks like he's going
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  Speaker 1: to miss most of the year. Shane Bieber is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit delayed, Boden Franks with surgery that'll knock him
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  Speaker 1: out for the year.
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  Speaker 3: So what do you think of these.
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  Speaker 1: Early Blue Jays injuries on a day where yeah, unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: or fortunately we launched a Blue Jay show and an
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  Speaker 1: injury show.
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  Speaker 3: They're all colliding.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe it's you. It's one of those things where
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  Speaker 5: I think we need to take a real hard look
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  Speaker 5: at this in the way the pattern went for these
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  Speaker 5: three injuries, because they're three very different. You got Francis,
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  Speaker 5: which is one of those where you know, unfortunately, this
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  Speaker 5: is the time of year where we're going to see
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of UCLs where guys had an off season
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  Speaker 5: where maybe they didn't ramp upright, maybe they're they're a
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  Speaker 5: little too early. Maybe that thing was on a thread
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  Speaker 5: and was going to go. But now they get back
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  Speaker 5: out there, get the adrenaline going, they're going for a
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  Speaker 5: job and it snaps. Just unfortunate with Bieber, remember that
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  Speaker 5: he was coming back from Tommy John surgery last year
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  Speaker 5: when he was traded, so he went a little bit
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  Speaker 5: further than they ever expected, though certainly the Jay's are
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  Speaker 5: glad they had him and he was very good, so
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  Speaker 5: they just kind of slowed his off season. So this
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  Speaker 5: was planned. So this isn't really another injury. This is
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  Speaker 5: just sort of they're saying forearm fatigued to give a
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  Speaker 5: reason for why this is a late ramp. On the
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  Speaker 5: other hand, Santander ran into a wall last year and
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: it was a padded wall. It was just one of
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  Speaker 5: those things that happens in baseball. You can't take a
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  Speaker 5: look at the Blue Jays medical staff and go, this
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  Speaker 5: one's on you. But the days and the dollars are
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  Speaker 5: going to count, not just last year, but now after
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  Speaker 5: having the surgery. After this labor became really really problematic
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  Speaker 5: for him and symptomatic and painful. They've got to go
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  Speaker 5: in there and repair it. And this was an injury
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  Speaker 5: that ten years ago we didn't do well with. If
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  Speaker 5: you can remember Matt Kemp, it took him years after
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  Speaker 5: his surgery. Now another one, Cody Bellinger. He struggled the
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  Speaker 5: year after but has been very very solid since. Even
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  Speaker 5: pitchers that have the surgery, doctor Dio Latrosh the Dodger
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  Speaker 5: surgeon kind of changed the way the surgery was done,
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  Speaker 5: different nodding, different anchors that are put in, and just
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  Speaker 5: those different techniques have made the return a lot better,
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  Speaker 5: a lot quicker. So Santander should have a good chance
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  Speaker 5: of coming back, but that doesn't not help the Jays
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  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 4: Is that why it's happening now, because they were like,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to rehab the absolute crap out of it,
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  Speaker 4: and Santander just could not get to the point where
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  Speaker 4: the rehab was enough because like, is it an injury
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  Speaker 4: that's more extensive rehab because of the fear that you'll
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  Speaker 4: never get quite get back with the surgery.
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  Speaker 5: No great question, though, Eric. The answer is they rehab
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  Speaker 5: the heck out of it because they try to avoid surgery.
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  Speaker 5: And this is always the answer. Logan Evans up in
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  Speaker 5: Seattle was rehabbing trying to avoid Tommy John surgery. Couldn't
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  Speaker 5: had to have it and had it in late January,
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  Speaker 5: and people are like, well, why didn't you just have it?
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  Speaker 5: Because surgery hard, Even as automatic as something like Tommy
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  Speaker 5: John surgery is, it's still only I think the last
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  Speaker 5: study was eighty three percent of pictures come back from it.
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  Speaker 5: What if you're one of the others seventeen? What if
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  Speaker 5: something goes wrong? Which happens. So you always try to
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  Speaker 5: avoid injuries always, no matter what. For Santander, he rehabed
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  Speaker 5: the heck of it, hoping that he was going to
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  Speaker 5: be able to come back from it. He was out
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  Speaker 5: pretty much the entire second half, missed the playoffs when
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: they really could have used him, but were pretty darn
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  Speaker 5: good without him. This is one where they tried. They tried,
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  Speaker 5: and once he dialed it back up, it broke down.
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  Speaker 5: That laborhm is just that it's that tiny piece of
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  Speaker 5: cartilage inside the Glenoyd fossa there in the shoulder, and
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  Speaker 5: when it's torn and becomes symptomatic, it's just tough. It's
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  Speaker 5: one of the most painful things you'll ever have. That's
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  Speaker 5: one I could show you the scar on for me.
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  Speaker 5: And when Frank Jerones tried to put mine back together.
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  Speaker 5: There are three times he did that operation should me
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  Speaker 5: Oral Herchcheiser and one other college pitcher, and then he
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  Speaker 5: stopped doing it because it didn't work. How do you
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  Speaker 5: think that makes me an oral feel?
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  Speaker 4: That's not a sentence that I really want to keep repeating.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm going to go to Bouden Francis. Bout in
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  Speaker 4: Francis the UCL. One of the things you said, and
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  Speaker 4: this isn't necessarily about boud In Francis, but it's about
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  Speaker 4: what's the percentage of UCL injuries from February March compared
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  Speaker 4: to any other two months during the season. Is that
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  Speaker 4: percentage absolutely that much higher? And if we have asked
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: for low hanging fruit with the UCL injuries that we're
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: always trying to get, how.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Can we fix that?
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Doesn't that feel like if that's a twenty five percent
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: of them, Man, if we can just cut that in half,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: you're cutting out so many UCL or Tommy John surgeries.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're exactly right. It was about forty percent. We
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: would have half the injuries before I think it was
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: May first. And we see this pattern over and over.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: The NFL used to be that fifty percent of their
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: injuries happened before week two of their season, and that's
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: changed a little bit with changes they've made to contact
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: in camp, but it is the same thing. In baseball.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: We've seen a reduction of this because we understand ramps now,
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Guys used to shut down and you would start throwing
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: again in late December early January and work your way
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: back up, and even spring training is still structured that way.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: And if you'd go out there for a couple of
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: innings and three innings and four innings and five innings
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: and build your way back up, we understand a lot
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: more of that right now, and you can very scientifically
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: build these ramps and keep your workload in that green zone.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: So we are seeing a reduction in this. The problem
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: is we're seeing those not just go away, but stretch out,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: and we're seeing more into June, July, and August.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about injuries before the season even start,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: really before the first day of spring training. And Chris
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Bryant is already on the sixty day IL because of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a lower what is it, lower lumbar?
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: What on?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Lower lombard degenerative disc disease? Yeah, can you explain what
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the heck that is? And he's gonna miss fifty seven
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: games already. He only played what in eleven last year?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So I mean, can he come back from this because
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: he still has like two or three more years left
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: on this massive deal he signed.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I said last year that I didn't think we'd
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: ever see Chris Bryant play again. I'll stand by that
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: we may see a game or two here, but he
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: has a degenerative disc in his back. He's going to
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: need some level of surgery at some point. He's already
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: had it. If you can think another Denver athlete, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: guess he didn't think that way. It was Peyton Manning
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: who had two surgeries on his neck before he had
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: to have a fusion, was able to come back win
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: a Super Bowl after that. So you can't come back
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: from it. But it's difficult cult baseball players with all
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the torsion. I can't think of a player that's had
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: a fusion that it didn't in their career. Prince Fielder
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: obviously comes to mind. His was in his neck, but
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: when those discs in between the vertebrae go, bad things happen.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: There are too many nerves in there, there are too
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: many problems. The fact is he just can't twist. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: if you can't twist, you certainly can't hit a baseball,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: let alone throw a baseball.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: A lot of the rhetoric coming out of Colorado is
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: guys don't recuperate. Is this an injury that was happening
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and now like oh, he's in Colorado, he's always in
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the higher elevation. It's you know, it led to a
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: faster decline or a faster like impact of this injury.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Or is that not? Is that all?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Is that all fake and just something people say?
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: No, I think certainly there is a high altitude effect.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily this because this is anaerobic. It's not like
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: his spine is breathing. I assume he gets a decent
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: amount of oxygen and he's breathing in and out. The
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: disc is one where it's structural. We often hear, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: it's not structural. What is structure? And when it comes
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: to it, that disk is damaged, it's herniated, it's hardening,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: it's calcifying. Those nerves that go through there are being pinched.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: So he's having numbness, probably pain down his leg. A
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: lot of people out there have probably experienced some sort
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: of sciatica pain. As you get older, your body basically calcilfies,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: which is one of the things we're learning with all
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: this anti aging research that's going on right now and biohacking.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: But for this, there's not really a whole lot they
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: can do. You know, you put in a cage you
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: fuse those vertebrae together. We've seen some advances. There was
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: attempts to trans plant discs. There's some external discs that
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: they can put in there, but we haven't had a
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: lot of success from it. And again it comes down
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: to can he twist and when he twists, what sort
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: of pain is he going through? At his age, he's
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: looking at very extensive back surgery. Again, it's a very
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: very common injury. It's just devastating for the skills of baseball.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, well that was my question. Is I just recently
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: had a friend that had back surgery and felt better,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: like right away, maybe had numbness in their leg. Boom
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: had back surgery and they're gonna I mean, they don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: play baseball, but they're just a normal person and they're
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: going to be back to normal, they said in four
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to six weeks. Is that not something that Chris Bryant
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: could do or he just needs something that's so much
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: more in depth that it would not it wouldn't work.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Now it comes down to the very specific skills of baseball.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, you understand better than most what kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: forces go into a swing. So if you're not able
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: to twist if you're putting that much pressure on it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Even if they go in there and fuse those vertebrates together,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: now suddenly his spine doesn't move the same way. His
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: vertebrate don't have that same cushion they're locked back in.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't turn. Could he still hit? Maybe? But
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: again I've got an absolute blank on players that have
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: had that and come back from it. If you're a
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: regular guy, can you go back to work? Yep? But
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: can you go back and play baseball? The simple answer
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: is no. The real answer is probably not.
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  Speaker 1: well a clever tweet this morning. It's again unfortunate when
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you're talking injuries. But when we threw out there that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: we were launching three new shows, someone replied to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Injury Territory one and said, Oh, I didn't realize you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: guys rebranded Hammer Territory, which is Brave show.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: They went through it last year. I said, well played.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it sucks, but well played, and they're already
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: going through it this year. So I wanted to get
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the three names that I think are
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: standing out for them too. Very recently, even this morning,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Walt Weiss, new Brave's manager, mentioned how the situation for
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Jojanmenez is very complex. He's already on the sixty dail.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: He used to be a valuable part of the bullpen.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Spencer Schwellenbach very valuable part of the rotation. Dave O'Brien,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: who covered the team up until this year, was working
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: for the Athletic covering the team and said, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: there was a Bilo uptick for Schwellenbach. He was speculating
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that's soon after that fractures. Z elbow now has this
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: issue that might lead to bones pur surgery. And then
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: lastly we can finish with Hassan Kim slipping on ice.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like slipped on ice, but it's pretty
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: serious because he's going to miss serious time for them too.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So your thoughts on those three.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with Kim, it's unfortunate. You know, these sorts of
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: things happened. These people, we forget they're human and things happen.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: You know, we'll laugh about you things. Who was it
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Clint Barmas that fell down the stairs with a deer
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: or something. There's always those those quirky injuries that we
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: can talk about and fill my column with laughter. But
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: you know, people do fall. People, what was Jonathan Lucroy
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: dropped a suitcase on his hand? Things like that. Slipping
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: on ice is just slipping on ice. It's unfortunate. Put
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: that ankle back together and hope that again he has
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: his skills with all that later emotion that he needs, which.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Well, back hold up real quick. Well, just because I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: think I think the ankle was last year. I'm just
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and I blitched you with this one, so sorry, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was. I have your surgery to repair
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: torn tendon right middle finger, right, I think.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: That you.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of injuries slow, and so I'm throwing it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Sorry, I was thinking about the ankle from
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: last year.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I forgot me.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: It was the hand. My bad. But it's a tendant,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: so again you got to worry about the grip. You
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: gotta be able to put that back together. And we
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: do see that. It's just unfortunate how it happened for schwampact.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: With the bone and the bone spurs. This is a
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: difficult one to understand because bone spurs are really simple.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: We've all played operation. If you've got a bone chip,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: it's come off the bone. With a bone spur, it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: just a little piece of bone, kind of like a
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: blister that's come off. But what's it touching? Is it
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: touching the ucl is it touching the owner nerve, is
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: it touching one of the other things, and is it
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: hurting something. There was a whole debate in the orthopaedic
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: sur surgery community about whether you took bone spurs off
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: where they a reaction of the body that were telling
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: us something was going on with the UCL We still
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: don't know a really good answer to that. But if
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the bone spurs out there poking a nerve, you've got
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: to take it out. But it's probably the body's signal
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: telling you something's going on. With Jimenez and a lot
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of these players with the sixty day, these are nones.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Most of these roster moves, honestly, and you're getting a
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: guy off so you can bring somebody else onto the
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: forty man, get somebody, get another NRI on the roster.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: These were knowns coming in that they weren't going to
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: be back until long time. Corp with Burns we know
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: isn't gonna be back until midway through the season. There's
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: a number of other guys on Tommy Johns who they're
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: gonna go to the sixty. So that's one of those
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: situations where I'm not sure it's quite as meaningful. It's
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: just one of those roster things.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, before we get to Burns there, I see him
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: on the screen, just on de Menez, just to provide
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: context for that one and the reason I'm asking about it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: He's been out of baseball for a while now. So
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: after twenty twenty four left knee surgery, ended up missing
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: all of last year, and he said it happened to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: this issue with his knee during the season in twenty four.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Didn't realize until after went for further evaluation in November.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Right then that spills into twenty twenty five misses the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: whole year, shows up to camp. They calling this one
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for the sixty dayil left articular cartilage injury. So I'm
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: guessing that's still related to the need. And that's when
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: wile White said it's very complex and it almost seemed
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like he could miss the whole season again.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: And that's where brays Frans, I don't know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's because they expected much, but they're like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: damn no, Joe Hamannz for two years.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because that degeneration. You think about how much pressure
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: you're putting on your knees, either knee. The first knee
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: surgery was to clean it out try to get everything going,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: but that articular cartilage, which is basically a covering over
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the bone behind the knee cap. As they come together,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: it rolls, and if that cartilage is torn or rough
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: or gone, you start getting bone on bone. That gets
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: really bad. If the meniscus is torn, if he's had
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: a previous issue with that, I don't know in this
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: specific case, but it used to be they just pull
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: that meniscus out and you'd move on with life. But
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: we realized that probably wasn't the best ideas that, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: they take out as little as possible, or they try
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: to stitch it back together, which has about a fifty
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: percent rate. We've seen that Mason Wynn coming back from
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: a very minor menace act. To me, a lot of
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: people were saying, you know, why is he coming back
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: in six months from this because there was an off season.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: So with Hamenez, articular cartilage is tough, and honestly, the
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: long term answer is going to be knee replacement, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: we see that a lot. Lindsay Vaughn, who's obviously been
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: in the news a lot for Hernie, had a partial
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: knee replacement on one knee when she retired, and that
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: would be a very similar solution for someone with the
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: condition that Hamanas has.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Hi last one for me, Josh Hater, the lead closer
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: for the Astros, once he went out last year, they
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: kind of faltered at the end. Not all his fault
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: because he wasn't there, but you lose a big piece.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Now it's saying he is bicep Inflammation's that bicep ten
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: to nightis are we talking about actually in Scott Braun's
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: biceps or are we talking about like the connected part
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: closer to the shoulder.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're likely. We haven't had confirmation. Been trying to
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: lock this down after initially seeing that he was having
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: this problem. A lot of people think bicep. They think,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: you know, the big muscles like you and aj have,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: But it's often in the shoulder. The bicep does attach
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: the two muscles of the bicapp hence the name, come
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: up into the shoulder. Same with the pector alis major.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: We think of a pack being chessed, but it also
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: comes up and attaches in a very similar place. They
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: actually cross. So if you've got an inflammation up there,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: is this an arm injury or is this a shoulder injury?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: I would argue it's more a shoulder injury. He had
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: that left shoulder strain in the back, So is he offloading,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: has he changed his mechanics. There's a lot of different
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: ways that this could happen, but the fact that this
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: is occurring at the point where he should be well
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: up in his ramp guys come into camp very easily.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: We know he's been throwing since at least January, so
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the fact that he's getting inflammation this early indicates those
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: forces still aren't balanced, that something is going on at
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: his shoulder can't handle and what's the underlying cause for that. Well,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: they're gonna have a ton of data. They're gonna have
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the bottom mechanical data in game and out of game.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: The astros are going to have their hands on him.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: They're gonna have however many scans he's had, which is
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: probably a lot, and that's a very good medical staff
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: down there, So it'll be interesting to watch how this
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: goes and how available he is and how much this early,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: hopefully minor situation can be managed and get him back
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: on the field.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Wow, we covered a lot and yet there are still
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a million other injury notes from the last forty eight
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: hours so I'm just gonna mention them, but really as
• 31:42
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• 31:44
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• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But just to name a few. Corbyn burns saying that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: he expects to be background the All Star break. Rheese
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Olsen out for the year shoulder surgery for him for
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the Tigers, which helps to explain why they signed from
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Rivaldez and and Justin Berlander over the past week.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: He kept it secret till they.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Could exactly right. I mean there's a leverage game. The
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: results too, That's what I just said.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Resultson, Yeah, result Jackson job.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh well.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Jackson Job's out too, right, so job, I don't know
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: if he's coming back.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like results and Resulson and he's like, by the way,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: he's off for the hear Yeah, shoulder searcher.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: They had that news. Plus they were fighting Schooble. They
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: wait till that our battle's done. Then they signed two
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: pitchers for pretty good cash. Good move, good recovery by
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the Tigers. But Will last most important question for today
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is to just give everyone a little lowdown of what
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to expect with Injury Territory, because you know, we've had
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: many shows that are team oriented, Prospect Insider, et cetera.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I think this one's probably the most surprising to join
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  Speaker 1: the network. But people are pretty excited to learn what
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you're going to do on there in terms of talking
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: about injuries, which can help fantasy real life following your team,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and some of the guests you're expecting to have too.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm really excited about this for precisely the
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: reasons we did today. We're going to be talking about
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: exactly this, the injuries that have happened, why they happen,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: and hopefully give you some context. I'm gonna have a
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: lot of people from inside the game, athletic trainers, doctors,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: sports scientists, people doing data behind the game. How are
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: they looking at it? What is AI going to do
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: to the inside of a training room. We'll have to
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: do a whole episode with aj about superstitions and there
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: I can tell you the whole stories about Sammy Sosa
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: not wanting to talk to me, or why he injured
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: his back sneezing when I was there. So it's one
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: of those things where there's so many different ways this
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: can go. And everybody knows that injuries can change a
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: season how many different times. And we said, if we
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: just had this guy, what would have happened if And
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: I'm going to explain the context behind the injuries, not
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: just list the injuries.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I'm always excited to come on here and hang out
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: with you.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Guys, will you and the man great segment here very
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: timely to open up the show, Krat said conspiracy theory
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that this show has been planned to launch on this
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: day and then all these injuries pop up. We are
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: not doing that voodoo stuff. Well, thank you, appreciate you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: We'll be talking.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Thanks all, guys.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And there are the new shows for the Injury Territory
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: in the right Middleist Brewer Territory, Canable and Hogue on
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that first episode, Polar Romero and Bannon on Bluebird Territory.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: We'll talk more about those as the day continues.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Having in fast.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: We're moving today.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Evan Phillips one year, six and a half million bucks,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: kind of forgot that he was still on the market.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know he's a free agent because he got hurt,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: so we missed so much time.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Dude's good though, Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: He was closing for them two years ago for part
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of the year, so he's back. Dodgers really needed an arm, Yes,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of joking.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: They well they used them all, so they need all
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the arms they can get. When you say they need
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: an arm, yes, they actually do because they've you know,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I guess crap Ground are all back. Copex still a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: free agent.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: True.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Kevin Phillips is nasty when he's right trying and they
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to get. Tanner Scott was
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: not very good last year when they have Edwin Diaz
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and they you know our next guest, Justin Roubleski. He
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: helped him out huge. But they need all the Listen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: One thing about the Dodgers, they have DiPT because they
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: go on sign guys for debt.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they DFA had Anthony Bonda, who is
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: probably gonna get traded to a team that can really
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: use him. They just dfa'd Ben Rurtvett, who was a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: big part of the third catchers Yeah right right, but
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: ended up getting some PT because of the injuries. So
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: nice little pick up here. Phillips is thirty one and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: he's not back right away. Just for the record, he's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: still recovering from TJ. The expected to return is mid
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: season around July. Next up, yep, Jose Kintana, thirty seven
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: year old, fifteenth big league season, Colorado Rocky's coming in
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: hot in February. They were sleeping on us for most
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of the offseason and here they come. I mean they
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: need to get some.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the signings the Rockies do.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: But they need this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are smart signings. They are because guess
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: what if Jose Kintana goes out and pitches, well, they
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: trade them. They trade them in June, in July, and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: they get a prospect they can possibly help it out.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: This is Paul de Podesta, the new head of baseball.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: They're making smart moves. These are the guys you sign
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: because then you can hopefully turn them and it's not
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: going to cost them a ton of money. Then you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: hopefully turn them into something that can help you down
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the road. So great, I mean you, I'm sorry you
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: have to go pitch in Colorado, but I love you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But these you're getting paid and you get to pitch again.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And nowadays they evaluate on what your stuff looks like.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So even if the era is high, I mean they're
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: well aware of what's going on there. Six million bucks
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: for Kintana, and you figure Colorado is going to pay
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: about half of that and then they're gonna flip them.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: But ye know, last year had some injuries, but still
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: with Milwaukee, just shy up before Thera a little over
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty innings, I mean, still can eat innings.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And he's had an above average ERA plus for a
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: long time now, going back to twenty trying to find
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the year where he wasn't at that mark.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's twenty twenty one.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the last time he wasn't above any
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: RA plus of one hundred eight innings.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Effectively, can't find a job because he doesn't throw ninety
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: five plus. He's going to go out and continue to
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: give to his team. There's this is a guy that's
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: very locked into each one of his starts. I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see how these last two signings.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I'm forgetting who the Rockies just signed Savali? Was it Savali?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: No?
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: He signed with the A's anyway. Not getting strikeout guys,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: thank you Higano. Not getting strikeout guys. How is that
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: going to play in Colorado now? I'm not worried about
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: the Homers. Not worry about the Homers. I'm worried about
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: balls in play. Just a lot of area to cover,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: So we'll be interesting. I'll be interested to see because
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: he had below a four ERA, you'd think a guy
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: like that would be a nice little pickup for somebody's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: fourth or fifth rotation spot. But I guess it wasn't
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: meant to be until Colorado came a knocking.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going with signings. There's two more
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to get to that broke today. Jordan Montgomery has agreed
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: to a one point two million dollar deal with the Rangers.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: There's also one point seventy five million potential bonuses. He
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is still working his way back from Tommy John surgery.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Target is around the All Star break, reunited.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And it feels so good. Last summer they got Jordan
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Montgomery back around the All Star breakday won the World Series.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: So are we doing the over under today? I vet
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: MGM for the Rangers, so we can. I'm take the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: over now that monkey's back. I can't believe they're running
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it back. I can't believe it. It's unbelievable running it back.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: What idiots they are.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: You sound like a fan of another team that's not
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: happy you when the same players returned to the team.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Now Jordan Montgomery has been away from this team. Now
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he's returning to this team. Maybe it brings the mojo back,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: because ever since Jordan Montgomery left, they.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Haven't been as good.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I actually think he's going to return and pitch well
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: for them, you know, like something.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: He's got to get back. Well. It's funny, as I
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: forgot last year he was with the Brewers. Do you
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: guys remember he was he was with the Brewer. He
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: was with the Brewers, right. So I go in to
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: do Milwaukee do a Brewer game, and I'm like, wait,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: he hadn't been to Milwaukee. He was there for some
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: community service award, even though he wasn't really on the team.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: He was on the il when he got traded. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I walked in and he walks in, and I was
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: talking to Vasalo and the and some of their reporters
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, monkey, and they're like, we've
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: never met him, Like, oh, he's out on the tunnel
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: with his wife and they're like, oh, So he walked
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse nobody had ever met him because he
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: never was there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Did anybody interview him?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone. I think somebody probably did it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It was one of those like strange things, things that
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: you never thought you because you think, like, oh, you
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: forgot that he got traded to the Brewers, and then
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you forget that he was technically on their team even
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: though he never pitched. But then he shows up for
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the first time and nobody knew. Nobody like was like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: what's up, dude, Like, so good to see you, man.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: How's the Rehabit was like going around like I'm Jordan Montgomery. Nice.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It was weird for a rehab time, not for a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: long time because he wasn't going to pitch with them.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: No, I know. That's why it was so strange.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: It was weird.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: But anyways, welcome back to Maybe he learned a.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Thing or two out in Milwaukee.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: But for the Rangers, even on the pr side, him
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: being around the organization, they love him in Arlington.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And all of that, they love him. He was a dog.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That's the American missile.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Years ago.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: That's the American missile. He came to spring training the
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: one year when we had chappion. He was like, you
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: know what, if he's the Cuban missile, why can't I
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: be the American missile? And then COVID hit and his
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: velocity went down. So but forever he'll be an American
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: missile in my heart.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: He can have that nickname. I'm fine with that. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: like it. I hadn't heard that one. So you just
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: mentioned the Brewers. They're up next.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They signed someone hmm, an old friend, Gary Sanchez one
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: point seventy five mil.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Who is going to be their backup? Is this your
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: first big league signing they've had.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I think it is. Am I missing someone? Chat helped
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: me out or make me look stupid? Am I missing someone?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Well you do that on your own.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You don't need the chat, thank you. Am I missing
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: someone that the Brewers signed?
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I thought they signed somebody. I just talked about it yesterday.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I thought they signed somebody early, like a picture that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: But anyway, eh, Gary, my ex teammate, I mean you
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: got it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I guess William Contreras can't play every day.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I don't even know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I don't even know who the other backup was supposed
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: to be. I honestly thought there'd be a Jonaheim sighting
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: in Milwaukee because they value the receiving part of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: game a lot, and Jonaheim, you know, I think could
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: have could have fit into this roster in a way
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: as a as a switch hitter. Contreres can DH a
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: little bit more, but el Gary could go try to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: hit some dingers.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be the backup catcher.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: You have it clearly.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I mean he didn't play much last year. He was hurt.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: He was hurt a lot.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: He only ended up I was looking, I'm like man
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: even less than I thought. Twenty nine games, one hundred
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and one played appearances with the Brewers bad and with
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Milwaukee the year before, eighty nine games two hundred and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: eighty played appearances six ninety nine ops below average OPS plus.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: So it's fine a lot that year. Yeah, well not
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: for a catcher, but for a catcher, it's above average.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It is above average. I think it was ninety four,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: so it's a little above average. Fine, crats, it's fine.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I mean it's fine. It's a it's a backup catcher
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: who's got some pop for you. I mean he should
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: be an above average backup catcher.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, more hitting, Yeah, but he hasn't really been.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, he hasn't been Gary a long time.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: It's been a long time.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: It has Knowing backup catchers, I was one. If El
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Garry is your backup catcher, it's an upgrade. Sorry, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: get it. He's not gonna hit he's not gonna hit
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: twenty homers in his first twenty five games for the Brewers,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: but it's a good it's a good backup. That's the
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: to me, that's the upper tier of backup catchers.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Agreed, totally agree, same page. That's an upper tier backup
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: catcher that can do it if he's health on offense,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: if he's healthy. The one thing I'll say with him,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: because I'm just remembering this, I'm not even going to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: say the name of the person who's who's a friend
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of mine, who's prominent in our game. He was like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: this guy's got He didn't say pooh holes production potential,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: but he was making like pooh holes comps back in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the day. And I'm not doing it right now. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: my question is Kratz is a big fan of him
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: for years. When you do look at the career, this
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: guy hasn't lived up to what many thought he was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: going to be. I know, he's nice and he's had
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a nice career and he's hung around for a while.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: But when he came up.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: He was going to live up to that hype. Especially
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: it's really hard.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: People thought he was going to be a superstar and
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: he was. You guys play the cat. You guys played.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: He was a.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Superstar for about one year and then he hit. Then
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: he's a lot of things went wrong. There's the past
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: fall problem he had right and then I mean he
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: was basically just a home run hitter for a long time.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: You guys played the position where guys get hyped and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: fall blow expectations more than any other position in baseball.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Because it's hard. It's hard because it wears, y'all.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: There's more things that can go wrong that can derail
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: that hype. And I wouldn't say it was just hype.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, you talk about sixteen was incredible, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: almost one rookie of the year with two hundred at bats.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: That was awesome.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Seventeen, you know, we were one game away from going
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: to the World Series. We lost the Astros. He had
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: thirty three homers, a ops plus a one to twenty
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: six eighteen. He only played in eighty nine games nineteen,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: played in one hundred and six games, still at a
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: OPS plus at one nineteen, so it was a good
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: start to four years. I remember even in twenty Cashman
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: came in. We were in COVID and Cashman came in
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: and he was we were kind of going through like
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: a rough patch, and he was going through like why
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: he believed in the team and why you know, the
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: guys that were on that roster, and he was like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: we have a catcher on this team who needs to
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: get back to the Hall of Fame track that he's
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: been on for the first four years of his career.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: We have to get back to, you know, Aaron Hicks
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: being the guy that they gave the extension to, and
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: like Gary was one of those guys. And I think
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: really after that nineteen season I hit on a few
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: years ago on the show, but that it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Wasn't just hype.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like prospect hype. It was he was having
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of production from the catching position, which just
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: adds more to things that Aj did in his career,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: staying healthy, playing catching a thousand innings and doing what
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: he did for so long that it needs to be
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: talked more about in the Hall of Fame category because
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: it is so freaking tough at that position.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: There's examples every year in a variety of ways. There's
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Henry Davis, first overall pick and even if he wasn't
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to be first overall, top ten pick and super hyped,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and right he's he's found himself.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: He's found a lane, but he's not a star.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Adley Rutchman kind of emerged quickly as a potential star,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: all Star looking player and then his production is has
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: dipped down on offense. Right, it is both that's what
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I just said and Joey bart Bart Yeah, Matt Weemers,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: remember he.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Came up with all the hype and then it kind
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: of fizzled a little bit.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are solid big leaguers.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I think Rushman has a chance to be pretty good.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not putting him in the same category.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like he was hyped as like this
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: could be the best player in the sport, and now
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's see if he gets his bat
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: back on track first before we start throwing out.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You know what's strange about a lot of catchers, and
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I think Hope, I think Cretz agree with me. It's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of times now Buster Posey Joe Mauer aside,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: probably even though Joe didn't catch as long and he
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: moved to first and Buster only you know, Buster played
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: what ten years and kind of also had to move
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to first sense injuries sadly, but they're both going to
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. A lot of times,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: it's like kind of catchers that you don't hear about
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: that have really nice careers that kind of just fly
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you kind of fly under the radar, and like you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I use Kurt Suzuki, like because he came up in Oakland, right,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: he wasn't I don't know if he was, but he
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: was like a second round I think the second round
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: pick when he got there. But he had a very
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: nice career by just being steady right, steady, steady, steady,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: steady YACHTI Molina Back in the day when he came up,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: they had Mike Methani. They had to get rid of
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Mike Metheni to clear him for Yadi. Now, I don't know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: he wasn't obviously the super high draffick like he was,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, he became something right. It's catching is
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: so hard to predict, man, it's the hardest. It really
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: is the hardest position to predict.