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Speaker 1: All right, Alan Boston, We're back. Hey, Alan, you just
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Speaker 1: said something I thought was interesting. You said going to
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Speaker 1: turn your record player off? Did you actually mean a
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Speaker 1: record player, Vinyl record player off?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I bought a U with last year's basketball profits.
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Speaker 2: I finally decided rather than just paying people back and
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Speaker 2: losing the rest of it, I bought a turntable.
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Speaker 1: Okay, where do you buy the records at? Do they
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Speaker 1: sell them online?
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Speaker 2: My friend I have I have a very close friend
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Speaker 2: who buys and sells records for a living. He actually
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Speaker 2: goes to like, uh uh Salvation Army and and uh,
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Speaker 2: what's that other? What's that scumbag place that claims that
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Speaker 2: they give the charity but they don't. They're all over
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Speaker 2: the place, really Goodwill, Goodwill?
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, well they you know they they all people donate.
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Speaker 3: And then sometimes he goes in there and he knows
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Speaker 3: what he's looking for.
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Speaker 2: He's found.
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Speaker 3: He found a ten thousand dollars album he bought for
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Speaker 3: a dollar.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, absolutely amazing. Yeah, so he recommend he you
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Speaker 2: know what, when I tell him what I'm looking for,
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Speaker 2: or he tells me, you should buy this and just
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Speaker 2: put it away somewhere ah, he knows what he's doing,
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Speaker 2: so you know, I I I, uh, yeah, I was
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Speaker 2: listening to an album by a group called Audience, so
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of before. The album's called House on
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Speaker 2: the Hill and it's it's been this cult. Uh, it's
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Speaker 2: known by a lot, but not to the masses. And
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Speaker 2: it's just terrific. It's it's the It got every bit
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Speaker 2: of praise at gut it deserves it more. It's fantastic album.
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Speaker 2: I gotcha Him is excellent, and it's it's good to
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Speaker 2: handicap by like when when there's a struggle to have
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Speaker 2: music in the background, it's it's a good way to
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Speaker 2: like because music music is healing. Like at some point,
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Speaker 2: vibrations are going to be what heals, not not medicine.
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Speaker 2: Although Big Farm will tell you to take all these
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Speaker 2: pills that don't do ship. Uh, there's there's better cheap
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Speaker 2: ways to do it. And uh, since music can actually
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Speaker 2: trigger uh stuff that nothing else can.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I I I think that, you know, people talk about
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Speaker 2: the vibrations of the world. I think, uh that that'll
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Speaker 2: be a they'll find something that's that's very healing with
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Speaker 2: music directed like therapy. A lot of therapy isn't music,
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Speaker 2: So that that's why I play music. That to handicap
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Speaker 2: by that's it's actually kind of new. I've never done
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Speaker 2: it before, but that's what happened on I was doing
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Speaker 2: tomorrow's games and see what other losers I can come
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Speaker 2: up with.
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Speaker 1: Well, this week was a rougher rougher week. I guess, right,
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Speaker 1: So you see your.
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Speaker 2: It's just stuff sucked. That's what's worrisome. You know, losing
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Speaker 2: is no big deal, but when the work is just
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Speaker 2: completely out to see, it might be time to rethink things.
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Speaker 2: The game has changed quite a bit and maybe I've
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Speaker 2: not been able to change with it. That's uh. I
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Speaker 2: have moments of brilliance, but I it's just been, Uh,
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Speaker 2: I'm not happy with my work. And that's that's unusual.
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Speaker 1: And that being said, you're not even losing for the year,
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Speaker 1: but but I I the people I'm helping out are
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Speaker 1: getting destroyed.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's whether I'd be winning or losing. Betting
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Speaker 2: is irrelevant. I I actually think I'd probably be winning
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Speaker 2: because the guys out involved with extra games and I'm
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Speaker 2: like eighty percent on extra games. It's it's it's completely nuts,
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Speaker 2: and I do no work on it, and you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe just simplifying things like that, Like here's
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Speaker 2: the two teams I know about how good they are,
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Speaker 2: and here's a number, and I right all the time,
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Speaker 2: like I never change a rating, and that's that's a
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Speaker 2: really good sign. Where I'm kind of like all over
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Speaker 2: the place with some of these teams. I just got
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Speaker 2: a lot of teams rated wrong, and and I can't
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Speaker 2: catch up what I did figure out. Uh, not that
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Speaker 2: anyone gives a shit, but this is part of the process,
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Speaker 2: is if you're losing all right, where you're going wrong.
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Speaker 3: So I figured out that I'm giving too much for
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Speaker 3: home courts.
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Speaker 2: In the old days, when Iowa State went to Purdue,
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Speaker 2: that home court could have been five or six, like
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Speaker 2: the home teams just won them all. The games weren't
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Speaker 2: that common. They weren't a lot of big intersexual matchup.
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Speaker 2: Mostly they would just buy games, all local games. But
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Speaker 2: now it's a big business day. They changed a lot
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Speaker 2: of things, and you see a lot of these big
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Speaker 2: power schools traveling to each other's courts. Well, the home
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Speaker 2: courts are worth almost nothing the road. The road team's
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Speaker 2: been gold in these games. It's completely the opposite of
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Speaker 2: what you expect. They're traveling to foreign grounds, the places
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Speaker 2: of mad House, but the road team has been wildly
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Speaker 2: successful in these in these uh, these power to power
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Speaker 2: games and the old days, that was not true. So
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Speaker 2: that I figured out, uh, and I do figure out
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Speaker 2: a reason for it. Calvin Samson talked about in an
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Speaker 2: interview how AAU ball is ruining ruining basketball because they
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Speaker 2: don't teach them how to play. They just play NonStop.
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Speaker 2: So these kids, you know, my playing nine games in
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Speaker 2: a week, they used to traveling all over the country
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Speaker 2: while they're in high school.
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Speaker 3: So traveling to these big.
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Speaker 2: Arenas and having you know, people motherfucker there, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: phase them at all. They're comfortable with it. So I
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Speaker 2: believe that's the reason these home courts are shrunk quite
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Speaker 2: a bit. Also, the other mistake I've made is is
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Speaker 2: the big Dogs have been a disaster.
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Speaker 3: And there are two potential reasons for that.
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Speaker 2: Number One, there was an article on the day and
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Speaker 2: paper Dayton had played NC Central. They were forty ahead
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Speaker 2: and one by nineteen, which, yeah, you don't want to
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Speaker 2: embarrass the other coach. You don't want to run up
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Speaker 2: the scorel and win by eighty However, they lost two
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Speaker 2: net ranking points because they only won by nineteen, and
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Speaker 2: Dayton is going to be on the bubble when the
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Speaker 2: year ends. Likely they're going to be a bubblished type team.
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Speaker 2: So when they played these Sennessee State the next game,
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Speaker 2: he left the starters in virtually the whole game so
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't lose net ranking points, which is complete insanity,
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Speaker 2: but that's what they're forced to do. He doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to run up a score like these coaches mostly like
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Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 3: They're brethren, they're in the same boat.
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Speaker 2: They're not looking to run scores up on everybody, but
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Speaker 2: now they have to do it to gain net ranking points. Also,
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Speaker 2: some of these dogs, you know, these mid major dogs,
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Speaker 2: the game means nothing to them. You know, conference season
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Speaker 2: is everything. So if they lose by twenty or fifty,
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Speaker 2: the coaching starts experimenting and putting players in that normally
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Speaker 2: don't play a lot to see you know, maybe he
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Speaker 2: can gain something out of the blow out. So the
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Speaker 2: big dog's a bit a disaster. So those are the
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Speaker 2: two things I've come up with. I'm sure there's more.
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm not good as I once was.
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Speaker 2: Maybe this nil has affected things in ways that I
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Speaker 2: can't determine. I think you're probably better off seeing how
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Speaker 2: much money teams have to spend to start the year
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Speaker 2: than seeing what you think the talent is, because how
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Speaker 2: much you can buy typically is a reflection of the talent. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not been good, but I'll give it a few
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Speaker 2: more weeks to see what happens, and you know, if
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Speaker 2: it doesn't change, then it might be time to say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of painfully. You know, these athletes that
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Speaker 2: hang on too long, it's kind of similar. I know
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Speaker 2: nothing else, but this what am I gonna do? I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to take up a career a nine to
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Speaker 2: five and sixty seven years old. Anyway. That's that's a
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Speaker 2: few thoughts for people out there who wonder how the
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Speaker 2: process works a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Alan got a lot of good responses to another.
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Speaker 1: Last time I checked, it was fifty five. It's ninety six,
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Speaker 1: ninety six responses on YouTube again for this week's show.
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Speaker 1: Everyone enjoying it. I mean, there's constantly always enjoying Boston stories.
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Speaker 1: This story about him losing his car and losing stuff
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Speaker 1: made me relate to him. Lottie green yse live guy
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Speaker 1: really appreciated always great stuff, much respect. So many people,
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Speaker 1: so many nice comments. I can't get to them all.
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Speaker 1: Just everyone just such a great time and losses. This
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Speaker 1: is LVCC, what a great time in Las Vegas RFB.
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Speaker 1: What do you need missed my IP parties? Ninety nine
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Speaker 1: cent Luxur breakfast when I first opened, Just so many
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Speaker 1: different people saying it's some nice thing. This guy I
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Speaker 1: said to me, I have two different questions on the
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Speaker 1: same exact subject. Let me read them both for you
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Speaker 1: before you answer. Crack, please add this is poker Oldie,
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Speaker 1: Poker oldie, all right?
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Speaker 2: Uh crack?
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Speaker 1: Please ask Boston how was the time he spent with
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Speaker 1: Chad Muman and Milman was writing his book named The Odds?
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Speaker 1: Do really enjoy your chats with with Alan? And now
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Speaker 1: to give that second part of that, this other person
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Speaker 1: also mentioned the Odds that he just let's get to him.
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Speaker 1: He just read the book, he said, or I think
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Speaker 1: he read the book, and he wanted to know about
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Speaker 1: about the book, like what what did you think? How
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Speaker 1: was the turnout? I'll here it is, Oh, Pharaoh, this
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Speaker 1: is a giant fan of yours. Pharaoh rapp Uh did
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Speaker 1: did his profile in the book the odds changed his
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Speaker 1: life at all. It's so, how so what was your
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Speaker 1: time with Milbourne with the book and after the book?
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Speaker 3: Okay, so one brief comment.
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Speaker 2: I've always said if I do an interview, like, I'm
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Speaker 2: not getting paid for this, I'm not promoting anything, and
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Speaker 2: I find an interview with success if one person enjoys that,
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Speaker 2: don't learn something. So I'm very happy to hear that
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Speaker 2: that the response is mostly positive. That that that that
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Speaker 2: makes this all worthwhile. Yes, I think people enjoy truth
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Speaker 2: since we're you know, we're bombarded with horseshit, you know
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Speaker 2: pretty much twenty four to seven. You know, the news lies,
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Speaker 2: the government lies, and it's hard to find truth. So
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Speaker 2: Part two Chad. Yeah, So Chad work for Sports Illustrated.
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Speaker 2: He'd written a column on how the opening line I
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Speaker 2: think was developed in Las Vegas for Sports Illustrated, and
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Speaker 2: he had a relationship with the starist. This is post Scotti, Schellers,
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Speaker 2: this is Joe Lupo at all, A nice group of guys,
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Speaker 2: and they asked him Chad asked them, who's the number
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Speaker 2: one guy for basketball? And they recommended me, which, okay,
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Speaker 2: that's pretty high praise.
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Speaker 3: They handled everybody in there. Chad.
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Speaker 2: I was called by uh either scooch or or Joe Hoopo,
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Speaker 2: they both worked there. I forget who called me, and
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Speaker 2: they asked, would you mind if if we gave Chad
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Speaker 2: your phone number? And he's interested in writing a book?
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Speaker 2: All right, so we talk and I spent summers in
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Speaker 2: Old Orchard Beach, Maine back then, and Chad came up
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Speaker 2: for the weekend. Uh. It was Rochester Fair weekend actually,
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Speaker 2: so we were going to the fair to watch a
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Speaker 2: horse of mine race and uh. We spent the weekend together.
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Speaker 2: And at the end of the weekend, I said, uh,
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Speaker 2: we watched the first episode of Freaks and Geeks two,
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Speaker 2: by the way, which is my all time favorite TV show.
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Speaker 2: So that's kind of a that gives you an idea
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Speaker 2: of how long ago this is. At the end of
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Speaker 2: the weekend, as I was driving him to the port
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Speaker 2: on airport, I said, I'm sorry, I can't do your
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Speaker 2: book and he said, oh, I have no book without you.
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Speaker 2: I said, well, sorry, like I'm not. You know, it
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Speaker 2: was different back then. You know, we were in gray
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Speaker 2: areas with sports betting, and we were offshore, and I
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Speaker 2: couldn't let them know that and and you know we
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Speaker 2: were early big too, and I didn't really want that published,
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Speaker 2: like you know, it only leads to trouble. I wasn't
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Speaker 2: doing anything illegal technically, but you know, who needs who
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Speaker 2: needs the gunman up your ass because you're you're bragging
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Speaker 2: about not bragging, but they're writing a story about a
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Speaker 2: successful guy. I paid my taxes and plenty. Mister Walters
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Speaker 2: gave me one bit of advice, always pay your taxes absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Since mister Walter's recommended that and nothing else, That's what
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Speaker 2: I listened to. So I was always honest with with
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Speaker 2: with the irs and everything. So they couldn't have got
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Speaker 2: me on anything. But who needs the aggravation? So I
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Speaker 2: told him, no, I don't really feel like sticking my
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Speaker 2: chest out or you know, or being in the limelight.
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Speaker 2: I said, you know what, however, I'd like to read
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Speaker 2: your first book. So Chad sent me a copy of
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Speaker 2: his first book, which was a history of playground basketball.
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Speaker 2: He co wrote it. It was absolutely fantastic. Wow, the
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Speaker 2: guy I could write like this was very well written.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't some fly by night nobody. This was the
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Speaker 2: real deal. This guy's legit. So I called him up.
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Speaker 2: I say, all right, here's the deal. We can't mention
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Speaker 2: a couple of things. You know, let's just talk about
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Speaker 2: you know, if I make a bet, the most I
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Speaker 2: have a bet in the game is twenty thousand. That's
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Speaker 2: plenty to get people interested, Like, you know, I didn't
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Speaker 2: need to know that we had eighty or ninety thousand
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Speaker 2: on a game. Twenties plenty. It's a big amount. That's
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Speaker 2: not going to like, you know, raise too many ever hours. Also,
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Speaker 2: we cannot discuss the fact that maybe there was a
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Speaker 2: bet made off shore. And he said okay, And he
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Speaker 2: would come every other weekend to Las Vegas while and
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Speaker 2: sit literally sit at my house and we'd work as
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Speaker 2: I worked, and we'd talk and you know, he'd ask
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Speaker 2: questions on equation but on occasion, but mostly he just
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Speaker 2: don't watched and listened, and he knew nothing about sports betting.
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Speaker 2: So we had a you know, discuss, we had to
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Speaker 2: educate him a little bit on that. We'd have dinner,
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Speaker 2: and it was every other weekend. We hung out for
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Speaker 2: about a year and a half. I want to say,
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Speaker 2: uh and uh. He wrote the book, which I think
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Speaker 2: was mostly good. I haven't read it in years. There
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Speaker 2: were parks I thought that that kind of like could
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Speaker 2: have been maybe cut out or edited, but but yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was a reasonable
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Speaker 2: book and he caught I think he caught my essence
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Speaker 2: pretty well, like as a you know, there was a
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Speaker 2: lot of quick witted stuff in there, which I'm I
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Speaker 2: think I'm pretty good with and you know, he he he.
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Speaker 2: Actually he made one statement that was very right that
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Speaker 2: where where you know, most people are risking all their
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Speaker 2: money would be a nervous wreck. But it's almost like
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Speaker 2: I need that. It's like when I'm doing it, it's
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Speaker 2: like the intensity lessons, like it's it's I'm in my
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Speaker 2: comfort zone. So yeah, that's uh. I think it was
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Speaker 2: a very good book, and it was far more successful
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Speaker 2: than people than he thought it would be, and it
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Speaker 2: triggered this whole I'm being honest, Like I think I
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Speaker 2: talked about this like before this, like you know, people
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Speaker 2: who gambled were frowned upon. They were degenerates, they were losers.
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Speaker 2: They weren't id league grads who were successful and go
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Speaker 2: to the gym five days a week, and and you know,
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Speaker 2: they just weren't. So it changed the face of what
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Speaker 2: a sports better or a gambler would or could be,
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Speaker 2: and it laid the groundwork. I remember Matt Burkey when
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Speaker 2: I was playing poker with him one night. He's a
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Speaker 2: very famous poker player. He said, Boston, I want to
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Speaker 2: thank you for laying the groundwork for poker like and
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Speaker 2: I thought about it. I said, yeah, that kind of
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Speaker 2: makes sense because once once, like that book kind of
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Speaker 2: legitimized sports betting, like they're not a bunch of idiots,
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Speaker 2: They're intelligent people who work their asses off and and
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Speaker 2: try to make a living. And he took that. Chad
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Speaker 2: took that and ran with it. He had this ESPN
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Speaker 2: side or thing. He gave him the foundation to do
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Speaker 2: this gambling section on ESPN sider, which grew into what
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Speaker 2: we have nowadays. And uh, you know, legalized sports betting,
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Speaker 2: which he which he knew was coming, Like that was
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Speaker 2: the whole point of all this. I think I think
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Speaker 2: he knew he thought it was coming, and he wanted
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Speaker 2: to be at the forefront of it. And he ended
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Speaker 2: up running a huge company and doing very well for himself.
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Speaker 2: So good for him.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I enjoyed my time with him.
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Speaker 2: I thought the book was mostly good and and I
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Speaker 2: think the impact of the book was was pretty pretty profound,
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Speaker 2: far more than people think, not in a good way,
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Speaker 2: like I don't. I don't like legalized sports betting, so
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Speaker 2: I think Draft Kings and FanDuel was disgusting and I
15:44
Speaker 2: doubt Fanatics or ESPN plus a much better. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: anytime the government's involved, it's not good. That's me the libertarian.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, for the guy who says I'm
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Speaker 2: Trump some Trump guy, no, I'm not humble libertarian.
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Speaker 3: The Libertary candidates sucked.
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Speaker 2: I could not have Kamala Harris running his country, so
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Speaker 2: I was a Trump guy, but it was more anti
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Speaker 2: Harris than pro Trump. Also Trump what he said, I
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Speaker 2: liked what he said, eliminating government lace that's very libertarian.
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Speaker 2: Like it turns out he's been a total disaster and
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Speaker 2: he's like Obama park too. Obama promised change and he
16:19
Speaker 2: was just more of the same. So I'm not a
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Speaker 2: Trump guy. I'm not a Trump guy.
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Speaker 1: When you were in Penn. When you were at Penn,
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Speaker 1: were you a libertarian there or you're in school you're.
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Speaker 2: A young age, I was. I didn't know it, okay,
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Speaker 2: I just wanted you know, because I became a libertarian
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Speaker 2: one rainy day in Old Orchard, Beach Bain once again.
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Speaker 2: I was an Old Orchard where Chad came up to
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Speaker 2: see me and it was raining out so you couldn't
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Speaker 2: do anything. And I channel surfed and there was a
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Speaker 2: speech going on about why the DEA needs to be abolished.
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Speaker 2: And it was Harry Brown and it was a libertarian
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Speaker 2: convention and he spoke for forty five minutes and why
16:56
Speaker 2: the DEA should be abolished. And I watched this like, wow,
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Speaker 2: this guy is just fucking brilliant. And the whole convention
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Speaker 2: was just reaped of intelligence and it resonated big time.
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Speaker 2: And I right then and there I was registered. I registered.
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Speaker 2: I think. I think in May you had to be
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Speaker 2: an independent. That's where I was legally living. But eventually
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Speaker 2: I registered as a libertarian. So yeah, the.
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Speaker 3: Libertarian is very simple, like follow the constitution.
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Speaker 2: We all have a right in this country to do
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Speaker 2: as we choose as long as we don't hurt anyone else.
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Speaker 2: And that's the libertarian motto. It's not the government's job
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Speaker 2: to fix every problem, especially since they create most of them.
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Speaker 2: So get rid of get government out of our lives.
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Speaker 2: Lets us keep more of our earned, hard earned dollars
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Speaker 2: and not tax the shit out of us for claim
17:42
Speaker 2: they need to do this, this, this, and this, when
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Speaker 2: in fact the rich just get richer. Like anyway, it's
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Speaker 2: not a government show, so I'll stop. But yeah, the number.
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Speaker 1: Of guys, this is a big, big fan base here,
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Speaker 1: the number of guys, the numbers guys, mister Boston. Obviously
17:57
Speaker 1: you're in the top one percent of IQ. But that
18:00
Speaker 1: being said, how were you able to handicap at such
18:03
Speaker 1: an elite level at a time when information was so
18:06
Speaker 1: hard to come by no internet, every game wasn't on TV.
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Speaker 1: How did you do it? And you and and could
18:14
Speaker 1: you do it the same way today?
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Speaker 2: So this may have been mentioned too. My, my, the
18:22
Speaker 2: only thing I had to work with it was a
18:23
Speaker 2: sports ticker that ran at all the casinos. So I
18:28
Speaker 2: camp out at the Starterist every night and watch the
18:31
Speaker 2: sports ticker the updated games every five minutes, I want
18:35
Speaker 2: to say, except the TV games, which were few and
18:38
Speaker 2: far between, were updated more frequently and by and my
18:43
Speaker 2: memory sucks. Except with with college basketball, I remember virtually everything. Uh.
18:49
Speaker 3: I was able to track the games, and I've talked,
18:52
Speaker 3: I talked about this before.
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Speaker 2: You know, two games get in two points one could
18:56
Speaker 2: be tied the whole way, and then two and one,
18:58
Speaker 2: where one team could be had twenty five and win
18:59
Speaker 2: by two. Clearly the team had twenty five that wins
19:02
Speaker 2: by two is put in a better effort than the
19:05
Speaker 2: game that was tied the whole way and a team
19:07
Speaker 2: won by two. So I use I recall. I remembered
19:11
Speaker 2: how each game played out, and I took inferences from
19:14
Speaker 2: how those games played out. And yes, I still created
19:18
Speaker 2: a numbers, but it was far more instinctive. I was
19:21
Speaker 2: able to take inferences from a run a team made,
19:25
Speaker 2: or or how well they played in a certain spot,
19:28
Speaker 2: and I remembered, all right, when did this team crack?
19:31
Speaker 2: When did the game get away from? Is a crack reference?
19:34
Speaker 2: Not not intentional. So a game could end twenty but
19:37
Speaker 2: if it's tied with eight minutes to go, clearly you
19:39
Speaker 2: know the last eight minutes didn't matter. So there was
19:42
Speaker 2: a lot of nuance like that, which you know is
19:45
Speaker 2: known to all handicappers.
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Speaker 3: It's nothing profound or genius, but I.
19:50
Speaker 2: Was able to use that. Where there wasn't a lot
19:52
Speaker 2: a lot of information out there, there was there was
19:53
Speaker 2: no way to read anything, so I knew sometimes a
19:56
Speaker 2: twenty point game was actually much much closer, and took
20:01
Speaker 2: advantage of that. And and and you know, when I
20:03
Speaker 2: was at my best, I just kind of knew what
20:06
Speaker 2: moment to to to refer to in the past that
20:10
Speaker 2: was relevant to the game being played. Now, there were
20:13
Speaker 2: far fewer teams being booked. H And you know, I
20:18
Speaker 2: came up with something that was that was very, very good.
20:21
Speaker 2: And and that's how I did it. I watched the
20:23
Speaker 2: SportsTicker and took inferences of how the game played out.
20:26
Speaker 2: Uh No, No, I can't do that nowadays because it's
20:29
Speaker 2: all out there. I have no edge in being aware
20:34
Speaker 2: of how the game played out. I still think it's important,
20:37
Speaker 2: but the game has changed so much where it's uh,
20:40
Speaker 2: you know that that where eleven players transferred. You know,
20:43
Speaker 2: teams are all new every year. It's it's uh. The
20:49
Speaker 2: coaches I like sometimes struggled David Riley, who was the
20:51
Speaker 2: coach of Washington State, who I love I've lost a
20:53
Speaker 2: fortune on this year. He talked in the press conference about,
20:57
Speaker 2: you know, my system takes a long time to learn,
21:00
Speaker 2: and I'm catching my players like thinking what am I
21:02
Speaker 2: supposed to do instead of just playing? So I had
21:05
Speaker 2: a dumb it all down. Uh, and you know all
21:09
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff is is where I know how
21:12
Speaker 2: good a coaches with this this group of players. It's
21:15
Speaker 2: not necessarily the case anymore where if you run some
21:18
Speaker 2: complex system and have no one coming back, they're not
21:22
Speaker 2: going to get it in game one or game five,
21:23
Speaker 2: and they might not even getting in game twenty, and
21:26
Speaker 2: then the coach has to adjust. And maybe it's he's
21:28
Speaker 2: not as good at what he's trying to teach them
21:30
Speaker 2: as what he truly wants to implement. So yeah, that's
21:34
Speaker 2: it's it's it becomes more of a talent over coaching.
21:38
Speaker 2: I believe this is just a guess, and that's why
21:41
Speaker 2: some of these injury games that have been blasted, which
21:43
Speaker 2: the years pass to be mean shit, are holding up
21:46
Speaker 2: at a very good level, because it's more this team
21:50
Speaker 2: has this individual talent and not this coach coaching this group.
21:55
Speaker 3: Eleven becomes one number.
21:57
Speaker 2: It's now eleven is one A plus B plus E
22:01
Speaker 2: plus de plus de plus e equals the number. So
22:04
Speaker 2: rather than one group of players becoming one, it's individuals
22:08
Speaker 2: becoming one. And when one of those individuals is hurt,
22:10
Speaker 2: it could impact the power rating far more than it
22:13
Speaker 2: once did. That's my guess as to part of my
22:15
Speaker 2: struggle and to why injury games are are holding up
22:19
Speaker 2: much better than they once did. This is all just
22:21
Speaker 2: me being logical, but this is how I do it.
22:23
Speaker 2: I try to figure out where I'm going wrong. You
22:26
Speaker 2: have to learn from your mistakes. You're never gonna get better,
22:29
Speaker 2: and I'm making a shit ton of him this year,
22:30
Speaker 2: I assure you.
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Speaker 1: This leads to our next question by uh I love
22:36
Speaker 1: the name PD Pickles.
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Speaker 2: P D.
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Speaker 1: Pickles asked what was the biggest what was the biggest
22:42
Speaker 1: variable in NCAA college basketball that Allen did not handicap correctly?
22:48
Speaker 1: For example, I always heard him being overly critical of
22:52
Speaker 1: big name coaches and it seemed to affect his handicapping
22:55
Speaker 1: to his detriment, especially during March Madness.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I would disagree with that. I bet against Ruschevsky
23:02
Speaker 2: and printed money in the NCAA tournament. No, when it
23:07
Speaker 2: was a forty five second clock, the coaching was everything.
23:10
Speaker 2: You could control, tempo you can, you can run this,
23:12
Speaker 2: you know, complex offense and make make lives miserable for
23:15
Speaker 2: favorites and coaches mattered a ship ton. I don't think
23:20
Speaker 2: it was to my detriment at all. I mean, I'm
23:22
Speaker 2: betting my money on it, and I was successful, So
23:23
Speaker 2: I was doing something right. And a lot of it
23:26
Speaker 2: was that I knew some coaches were overrated the variable
23:29
Speaker 2: I get wrong. And by the way, now that there's
23:31
Speaker 2: a thirty second clock, that that is is far less important,
23:37
Speaker 2: which is why partly the reason why a lot of
23:40
Speaker 2: these favorites just crushed in the first round of the
23:42
Speaker 2: tournament last year. I got killed in the first round
23:44
Speaker 2: of the tournament last year. Those type games have won
23:47
Speaker 2: for years, and almost none of them won this year.
23:50
Speaker 2: And you know that that if I make it that far,
23:52
Speaker 2: I have to I have to think about that. It
23:54
Speaker 2: could just been an outlier, or it could be that
23:55
Speaker 2: that that thirty second clock, which has been around for
23:58
Speaker 2: a while, the thirty second colock, in combination with you know,
24:03
Speaker 2: a more open game and a more you know, tending
24:06
Speaker 2: towards higher scoring games, is making it.
24:08
Speaker 3: Harder on dogs. Also, the nil may affect it too.
24:11
Speaker 2: Where again, where if this continuity within a program, then
24:17
Speaker 2: the guy who's seventh or eight to ninth best in
24:19
Speaker 2: the team is familiar with the system and will come
24:22
Speaker 2: in and not be so bad. But now with nil
24:25
Speaker 2: where everyone's new. Some of these guys who was seven,
24:27
Speaker 2: eight or nine on the bench and they come in
24:30
Speaker 2: in a close game and the game just gets away
24:32
Speaker 2: from because they're not they're not good enough. That's that's
24:34
Speaker 2: part of it. The variable I fuck up most is
24:36
Speaker 2: home court. I've struggled with that a lot in the
24:39
Speaker 2: last few years, and it's been ever changing, and I
24:43
Speaker 2: think I think it's a big hole in my game.
24:46
Speaker 2: The other variable I mentioned actually both used to start
24:49
Speaker 2: the show, is these these big favorites, like I could
24:52
Speaker 2: just skip them completely unless I think the twenty point
24:55
Speaker 2: dog is a chance to win. You just I just
24:58
Speaker 2: kind of just skip it now because I.
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Speaker 1: Don't say home court. Are you not giving home court teams?
25:04
Speaker 2: I was giving them too much for home for sure,
25:05
Speaker 2: give them too much for home, right, But I mean,
25:09
Speaker 2: I mean Mick Cronin talked about how UCLA was. You know,
25:14
Speaker 2: they have a losing record in games east of the Mississippi.
25:17
Speaker 2: This is a program that that won championship after the championship,
25:20
Speaker 2: after the championship in the seventies, and it's still a
25:22
Speaker 2: very very good team, but they have a losing record.
25:25
Speaker 2: Yous to Thessissippi because the west east travel used to
25:28
Speaker 2: be worth like eight points in an early game, like
25:30
Speaker 2: the home court just just killed them, like you had
25:32
Speaker 2: no chance.
25:33
Speaker 3: That is no longer the case.
25:35
Speaker 2: So stuff that's in my head, and when you're doing
25:39
Speaker 2: it thirty odd years, it's hard to break that habit,
25:43
Speaker 2: and you know, I just have to figure it out.
25:45
Speaker 2: But I figured it out too late that that I'm
25:47
Speaker 2: just I'm just giving these home teams too much money,
25:49
Speaker 2: too much, too much credit. And you know, when conference
25:52
Speaker 2: it always gets lower because they're all familiar with everything
25:55
Speaker 2: and the travel is in as intense. But I used
25:59
Speaker 2: to think that travel was everything. I didn't care about
26:01
Speaker 2: band screaming if it was known at the game, who cares?
26:04
Speaker 2: It's how hard is it to get there and get
26:06
Speaker 2: acclimated to your to your to the court you're playing on.
26:09
Speaker 2: But that that, that is no longer the case. And
26:12
Speaker 2: I think the AAU they get comfortable with all that.
26:15
Speaker 2: And uh also I think the student there's less there.
26:19
Speaker 2: I think there's fewer. I think there's less energy at a
26:23
Speaker 2: lot of these games too. The students aren't showing up.
26:26
Speaker 2: A lot of coaches have talked about that. It's a
26:27
Speaker 2: new world. You know, they sit in their phones. And
26:30
Speaker 2: also you can't get some allegiance to these players. They
26:34
Speaker 2: they are one year gone the next It's not like
26:36
Speaker 2: this thing four years where you get to know them
26:38
Speaker 2: and and they're easier to root for now they you know,
26:40
Speaker 2: they feel like traders, just go for the next money.
26:43
Speaker 2: So I don't blame these kids for not going to games,
26:45
Speaker 2: like who wants to go watch the team play? And
26:47
Speaker 2: then you know they've gone the next year because there's
26:49
Speaker 2: no honor or loyalty. It's just a money grab, And
26:52
Speaker 2: I don't blame them. I'd grab them. I grab the
26:55
Speaker 2: highest bid er too. But it's it's really it's it's
26:57
Speaker 2: ruining the game.
26:57
Speaker 1: I think if you broke down, what what time of
27:01
Speaker 1: year at the beginning of the year now maybe towards
27:04
Speaker 1: conference tournaments, March mandas, what have you been more successful
27:08
Speaker 1: and what have you not been more successful in?
27:10
Speaker 2: I think I think that's uh. I think that's been
27:12
Speaker 2: completely random. I I, oh, wow, Yeah, I think that's
27:15
Speaker 2: been completely random.
27:16
Speaker 3: I've had.
27:19
Speaker 2: I've been brilliant to start the year and brilliant in
27:21
Speaker 2: the middle of the year. Last year, I sucked at
27:23
Speaker 2: the end of the year. But I recall the best
27:25
Speaker 2: year we ever had is we were up like one
27:27
Speaker 2: point one million. Uh in December and February we were
27:33
Speaker 2: losing and that's and then.
27:36
Speaker 3: We ended up winning a fortune.
27:37
Speaker 2: Like I won virtually every game the last I swept
27:40
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament virtually that year.
27:42
Speaker 3: So yeah, It's the only thing I can say is
27:45
Speaker 3: I hope.
27:46
Speaker 2: I hope it gets better towards the middle and the
27:48
Speaker 2: end of this year, or else I'm not gonna be
27:50
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be one retired handicapper, which maybe should have
27:53
Speaker 2: happened a long time ago. Like, I mean, I am.
27:57
Speaker 3: Good at this, Like I'm not.
27:57
Speaker 2: I'm not bragging saying that, Like you know, I I
28:00
Speaker 2: do have respect in the industry, but I'm not so
28:02
Speaker 2: sure I deserve it anymore, to be honest.
28:04
Speaker 1: Uh, this this one I'm gonna think I know the
28:06
Speaker 1: answer to. But I want to ask any of the
28:08
Speaker 1: NFL streets, what does he think the gambling and the
28:11
Speaker 1: poker scene will be like when New York City? Because
28:14
Speaker 1: New York City has ruled yes on poker casinos a
28:18
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, they're going to build three, you know,
28:20
Speaker 1: billion dollar casinos outside of New York City. Have you
28:23
Speaker 1: ever played and also have you ever played in NYC
28:26
Speaker 1: underground poker the poker scene.
28:29
Speaker 3: I played once at the Mayfair Club.
28:31
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know you did. Okay? I played seven
28:32
Speaker 2: card studay one night. That that's it. That's my whole Uh.
28:37
Speaker 2: Actually lived in New York City for a few months.
28:40
Speaker 2: I worked at Hammicker Schwimmer. The last job I had
28:43
Speaker 2: that was for pay. Oh no, actually I worked at
28:47
Speaker 2: a state hospital for a year after that. That was
28:49
Speaker 2: a cool job. That was a cool store. That was
28:51
Speaker 2: the original gadget store on fifty seventh next to the
28:53
Speaker 2: fifty seventh in between first and second. I think what
28:56
Speaker 2: year was that.
28:56
Speaker 3: I have no idea, what what you know?
28:58
Speaker 2: I think New York City is losing gets luster a
29:00
Speaker 2: little bit and it's about to be a complete disaster.
29:03
Speaker 2: Yeah under under this uh you know, crazy person they elected.
29:06
Speaker 2: But I was actually rooting for him, Like Clomo is
29:10
Speaker 2: one of the more reprehensible humans on the planet, and
29:12
Speaker 2: for him to have the audacity to go run again
29:14
Speaker 2: just shows you how how fucked up this country is.
29:17
Speaker 2: You can't find someone better than him. He kills a
29:20
Speaker 2: bunch of people, tries to cover it up or I
29:22
Speaker 2: mean he didn't directly kill him, but he gave bad
29:24
Speaker 2: advice which caused a lot of people to die, and
29:27
Speaker 2: then tries to cover it up and then writes a
29:28
Speaker 2: book about how wonderful he did about it, gets his
29:30
Speaker 2: big advance, and you know, all right, there's allegations against him,
29:34
Speaker 2: and there's off and allegations against people. That doesn't mean anything,
29:36
Speaker 2: but the fact that the resigned means there might have
29:38
Speaker 2: been some truth to it. Uh. Yeah, he is really
29:41
Speaker 2: really discussing. I can't answer to New York City. I'm
29:46
Speaker 2: not a New York guy. And it'll be good for
29:49
Speaker 2: for for New York to get more tax revenue so
29:52
Speaker 2: they can waste it. Yeah.
29:54
Speaker 1: Any Chip, Chip Reese or Doyle Ruston stories.
29:58
Speaker 2: They're they're a little before my time. They they played
30:01
Speaker 2: bigger than me. I spent some time with Chip at
30:04
Speaker 2: his place in Montana. Uh. He was always a gentleman. Uh,
30:10
Speaker 2: super solid poker player. He went to Dartmouth, very smart guy.
30:14
Speaker 1: Uh.
30:15
Speaker 3: He felt it like a bit.
30:16
Speaker 2: Of a phony to me of him being honest, like
30:18
Speaker 2: you know, he's always anyone's always like nice and always
30:21
Speaker 2: saying the right thing, Like I don't know, but I
30:23
Speaker 2: I have I have absolute no beefle ship. He was
30:25
Speaker 2: always nice to me and and always a gentleman, but
30:28
Speaker 2: not he's not my type, like uh, you know, I like,
30:31
Speaker 2: I like to be a little rough around the edges,
30:33
Speaker 2: Alan I.
30:34
Speaker 1: Think the guy's being nice, and you know, he's always
30:37
Speaker 1: being nice.
30:37
Speaker 3: I don't like that because it felt like horseshit.
30:41
Speaker 2: Oh he can't always be nice, Okay, you just we're human.
30:45
Speaker 2: We get angry, we say bad things, we say stupid
30:47
Speaker 2: things like it's just with flawed that's that's the nature
30:50
Speaker 2: of big human.
30:52
Speaker 3: Uh Doyle, I don't know that well, but I love them.
30:54
Speaker 2: Like he was a gambler to the core, and and
30:58
Speaker 2: he would he was fearless when he bet he'd sports
31:00
Speaker 2: sky high, didn't give up, fun always had a nice
31:03
Speaker 2: word to say to me. And but not just you
31:07
Speaker 2: know when we said, hey, Red, how you doing, like
31:09
Speaker 2: just ah and he was you know, he was he
31:13
Speaker 2: was a great poker players to the end and uh
31:17
Speaker 2: and and you know I found him a little more
31:19
Speaker 2: uh on the on the side and seem like you know,
31:21
Speaker 2: he he he knew you know, he talked about the
31:24
Speaker 2: cheating in the old days, and you know, it was
31:26
Speaker 2: kind of like the killer be killed theory, And uh, yeah, I.
31:30
Speaker 3: Was definitely a fan of Doyle, But I have no
31:33
Speaker 3: stories with Doyle.
31:33
Speaker 2: I never hung out with him, and I hung out
31:36
Speaker 2: with Chip just on a couple of day vacation in Montana.
31:39
Speaker 1: Rocklanders asked, uh, and does okay? In today's environment, it's
31:43
Speaker 1: harder to win as a sports better. Do you prefer
31:47
Speaker 1: offshore or onshore books? And do you monitor a line service?
31:51
Speaker 1: If so, which one or which books?
31:54
Speaker 2: I don't bet, so I can't answer that, okay, And
31:57
Speaker 2: I don't monitor any line services. I don't. I don't care.
32:01
Speaker 2: I think we I think I talked about this on
32:03
Speaker 2: one of the prior things where you know, I just
32:05
Speaker 2: think I'm really good at this, and I don't give
32:06
Speaker 2: a shit who bets what? And I don't care who
32:08
Speaker 2: has a If I'm betting into a sharp office and
32:11
Speaker 2: they have the sharp line, I don't care. I wouldn't
32:13
Speaker 2: expect it. That's just me personally. That doesn't make it right,
32:17
Speaker 2: but that that's me personally. I had so much faith
32:19
Speaker 2: in what I was doing that I don't give a
32:21
Speaker 2: shit who bets what? Or the sharpest office in the
32:25
Speaker 2: world has three, and everyone's three and a half. If
32:27
Speaker 2: I like the favorite, I'm laying three there for whatever
32:29
Speaker 2: they whatever it will take.
32:30
Speaker 1: So even if Circa Hazard or Chris or Pine, don't care,
32:33
Speaker 1: just bet.
32:34
Speaker 2: But that's just that's me. That's I'm not saying that's right.
32:39
Speaker 2: If you think an office as sharp, you certainly should
32:41
Speaker 2: respect it and and and maybe give thought to what
32:43
Speaker 2: you're doing. But I don't think that's a recipe for success.
32:46
Speaker 2: Like I think you have to have one hundred percent
32:48
Speaker 2: faith in what you're doing. I I you know, people
32:50
Speaker 2: could argue that and and argue successfully, but personally, that's
32:54
Speaker 2: just the way I have to do it.
32:57
Speaker 1: Alan do you know Eddie Cox asked anyone or know
33:01
Speaker 1: or do you know an old gambler named Paulie who
33:03
Speaker 1: got his eye punched out at the Stardust or a
33:05
Speaker 1: guy John Kelly? Or you do know John Kelly? He
33:07
Speaker 1: used to do sports betting segments. I do know John Kelly.
33:11
Speaker 2: I knew who he was.
33:12
Speaker 1: He had a couple of sights and I think he's
33:14
Speaker 1: think he moved out of the country now. And Paulie,
33:17
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know anything about that guy?
33:19
Speaker 2: I remember Scotty got his eye. There was a guy
33:21
Speaker 2: Scotty who got his eye punched out, who was at
33:23
Speaker 2: the lottery all the time. He was. He did his
33:25
Speaker 2: own thing and met his own money. But I didn't
33:27
Speaker 2: know any PAULI I knew Scotty got his eye punched out.
33:30
Speaker 2: You know, he ended up being one eyed Scotty. Like
33:31
Speaker 2: that's obvious nickname. But that's that's all I know. He
33:36
Speaker 2: was a regular at the lottery and a gentleman.
33:40
Speaker 1: Okay, steeple six eighty six. And I asked I stay
33:42
Speaker 1: at the Desert Inn and sit at a blackjack table
33:45
Speaker 1: in all of those comfortable clam back leather chairs. Yeah,
33:50
Speaker 1: beautiful cocktail service and a cigarette server ready to light
33:54
Speaker 1: you up instantly, and then stumble out at seven am
33:58
Speaker 1: and go to Circus Circus for an amazing dollar and
34:01
Speaker 1: onion I breakfast. Fe Those were the days cash was
34:04
Speaker 1: king and customer service was its queen accurate.
34:09
Speaker 2: You can't say it any better than that.
34:11
Speaker 1: I love that.
34:12
Speaker 2: I just thought the I was the best, and and
34:14
Speaker 2: the dollar nine and nine breakfast were always They wanted
34:19
Speaker 2: you to have a good time. They wanted you in
34:21
Speaker 2: their casino like I can't say it enough. They've completely
34:24
Speaker 2: lost their way with you know, Vegas is going to
34:28
Speaker 2: be in trouble if they continue this, uh you know,
34:31
Speaker 2: charge for parking and resort fees, and everything's overpriced. There's
34:34
Speaker 2: too many places to go, and Vegas isn't that, you know,
34:37
Speaker 2: that big a deal anymore. It used to be the
34:38
Speaker 2: only game in town. Then came Atlantic City, then came here,
34:41
Speaker 2: you know, and and it's it's it's nationwide now, so
34:44
Speaker 2: you know, who gives a shit about Vegas. It's still
34:46
Speaker 2: got a name, But that is going to dwindle as
34:49
Speaker 2: it becomes more expensive and more crowded, and if it's
34:54
Speaker 2: possible more disgusting than it already is, I don't know
34:56
Speaker 2: if it's possible. It's completely flipped from the greatest city
34:59
Speaker 2: in the world to the most disgusting one that I've
35:02
Speaker 2: ever visited.
35:03
Speaker 1: That's a great that's such a great compy.
35:05
Speaker 2: But yeah, glory is perfect. I would there Jesus p
35:08
Speaker 2: I was amazing. Like I told you that story with
35:10
Speaker 2: a guy, you know, I was. I stayed there one
35:12
Speaker 2: night and I had a bill of pay and I
35:14
Speaker 2: had the stamp bombo open. The guy in a tuxedo
35:17
Speaker 2: grabbed it he said, let me, let me put that
35:18
Speaker 2: in the mailbox for you. Just grabbed it out of
35:20
Speaker 2: me as I was walking like black tie Chinese restaurants.
35:25
Speaker 2: I had the same three guys wait on me at
35:27
Speaker 2: the porta Fino room for twenty five years. You know.
35:31
Speaker 2: It was just a different world and and certainly a
35:34
Speaker 2: better one in my opinion, Like, oh, that felt so
35:37
Speaker 2: much at home in these places. You didn't feel like
35:40
Speaker 2: you're being You're getting your eyes ripped out and then
35:42
Speaker 2: and then they'd laugh at you when you're out it.
35:43
Speaker 2: You know, when you had no money, you could be broken,
35:46
Speaker 2: still be welcome there like it was it.
35:47
Speaker 1: Was at Gourmet.
35:51
Speaker 2: I was there Italian Gormet. I got a steakhouse next
35:53
Speaker 2: over the Portafino, overlooked the casino.
35:56
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it was a beautiful.
35:57
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and I don't need Italian, but they had
36:00
Speaker 2: they had other stuff that that that I could eat.
36:03
Speaker 2: I always took people there. It was right, Yeah, Pepe,
36:06
Speaker 2: Paul and Mike, those are the three guys remember, well yeah, yeah, yeah,
36:10
Speaker 2: I had.
36:11
Speaker 1: Time mader D rose colored like that kind.
36:13
Speaker 2: Of rader D also, Uh yeah, the major d was
36:17
Speaker 2: uh in a tux for sure. Uh. They also had.
36:20
Speaker 2: They had two uh lounges, one you one we paid,
36:23
Speaker 2: and one that was free. But they had great, great
36:25
Speaker 2: acts in both of them. But again, you know, I
36:27
Speaker 2: go there early. If I had tickets to the show,
36:30
Speaker 2: I would see the the guy who did the seating,
36:32
Speaker 2: and he get you know, I forget. I probably gave
36:34
Speaker 2: him fifty dollars make sure we get a good table.
36:37
Speaker 2: And that's how it worked. Yep, he said cash was
36:39
Speaker 2: king exactly. You just took people that took carry you.
36:43
Speaker 2: And and yeah, Alan.
36:46
Speaker 1: There's restaurants in Vegas right now, three or four of them.
36:50
Speaker 1: I could give one hundred dollars bill and I'm not
36:53
Speaker 1: getting in tonight one hundred dollars bill.
36:55
Speaker 2: They wouldn't care. You're not getting in.
36:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's unbelievably because he knows he's these
37:01
Speaker 1: big fancy red It's it's so weird, isn't it.
37:04
Speaker 2: It really is that weird.
37:06
Speaker 1: Carbone Carbone at at Ariot, you're not getting in Carbone,
37:10
Speaker 1: the new one at Blagio. You're not getting in U Steakhouse,
37:15
Speaker 1: at the Steakhouse at Monty Carlo, what's called now Park,
37:21
Speaker 1: MGM Bavetts. You're not getting in. Maybe Peter Louver's you're not.
37:25
Speaker 2: Getting in Peter Louvers in Vegas now.
37:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Lovers in Vegas now yep. Great, next guy,
37:33
Speaker 1: dark side of crypto. Boston just has no fear. It's
37:36
Speaker 1: really wild. Ask him what he's going to do next
37:39
Speaker 1: spring of summer. Oh, I'll figure it out and play
37:41
Speaker 1: poker at slot machines. I used to live like that
37:44
Speaker 1: in my twenties, mister Boston, I can't imagine doing it
37:48
Speaker 1: pushing seventy now. Some guys are just pilt different wild idea.
37:52
Speaker 1: But how about teaching summer school? Question mark? Even at
37:55
Speaker 1: this point with your degree and really no regard for
37:58
Speaker 1: what he'd be paid for. It may be he may
38:01
Speaker 1: be surprised that if he actually attempted to do it.
38:05
Speaker 2: Interesting he is a bang on, like I've I've wanted
38:08
Speaker 2: to teach high school English my virtually my entire life.
38:13
Speaker 2: I chose the gambling field because I wanted to make money.
38:17
Speaker 2: And and there was a point I remember where I
38:23
Speaker 2: was ready to retire, come back home, and I had
38:25
Speaker 2: actually written out a whole year of English teaching, and
38:29
Speaker 2: in fact, to go back to Chad. I asked Chad
38:32
Speaker 2: if I teach high school English, would you come in
38:34
Speaker 2: and be a guest lecturer on you know, on magazine
38:38
Speaker 2: writing or or you know, ready for a newspaper for
38:42
Speaker 2: He said absolutely, So I had I had the whole
38:46
Speaker 2: year in my head, and I decided to do basketball
38:49
Speaker 2: one more year, and that that was. That was a
38:51
Speaker 2: big mistake. It was kind of downhill now. I mean,
38:54
Speaker 2: we won, but again, if you're spending three hundred thousand
38:57
Speaker 2: a year and you make one hundred thousand, the money
38:59
Speaker 2: doesn't stay very long. And then the housing market crashed,
39:02
Speaker 2: and you know, I ended up dead in the water.
39:04
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I actually applied to substitute teach a
39:10
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and then they wanted me to
39:13
Speaker 2: upload everything. I don't not upload anything. Sure, So you know,
39:19
Speaker 2: I talked to someone who teaches locally and he said,
39:22
Speaker 2: just go, just go talk to the people in the office.
39:26
Speaker 3: Explain to him who you are.
39:28
Speaker 2: You know, you're you. I've done a lot of private
39:30
Speaker 2: tutor in my life successfully. I substitute hought in the eighties.
39:34
Speaker 2: Loved it. Uh and uh, you know, they might be
39:38
Speaker 2: able to help you out. I'm sure they will. They're
39:40
Speaker 2: desperate for substitute teachers. So yeah, if I if I
39:43
Speaker 2: quit by January, I'll be attempting to substitute teach. So yeah,
39:47
Speaker 2: he's he's bang on. I would love to do it. Okay.
39:52
Speaker 1: This guy horse racing tip, that's his name, crack Man,
39:56
Speaker 1: who was the bookmaker Alan worked for in Boston back
39:59
Speaker 1: in the the late Joe You're You're Lardie from book
40:03
Speaker 1: from Newton question Mark.
40:05
Speaker 2: No. I worked for Holly Levinson. At first I owed
40:10
Speaker 2: him money. I was on the lamb and he, uh,
40:14
Speaker 2: he got a hold of me, so to come back here.
40:15
Speaker 2: We'll work it off. Don't worry about it, I said, okay,
40:19
Speaker 2: and that was that was in the book The odds
40:21
Speaker 2: actually that that was interesting.
40:23
Speaker 3: And then I worked for for uh.
40:29
Speaker 2: Who did I work for? I hate the name names,
40:30
Speaker 2: but it's forty years ago, so who cares? Jimmy Katz
40:33
Speaker 2: and Frank Brusso. And then I worked for Richie Brown,
40:38
Speaker 2: who was mentioned in uh the book about the black
40:44
Speaker 2: what's the name of the killer? Uh Whitey Bulger. He's
40:49
Speaker 2: one of the white Bulgebergers whoa uh, So those are
40:52
Speaker 2: the guys I worked for. All all people in Boston.
40:57
Speaker 2: There was Chico Krans he was a legend up there.
40:58
Speaker 2: He passed away many many many years ago. He had
41:02
Speaker 2: as my mother in high school. Uh No, I don't
41:06
Speaker 2: know that. I don't know Joe.
41:08
Speaker 3: Along the same line, area, Yeah.
41:11
Speaker 1: Along the same lines here, I think this is I
41:13
Speaker 1: think this was involving Whitey Bulger. Maybe it was involved
41:17
Speaker 1: in It's either it's either Whitey Bulger's crew or it's
41:20
Speaker 1: it was the Gambino crime family.
41:22
Speaker 2: This was about. Uh.
41:23
Speaker 1: James Rhodes asked Crack, thanks for getting Alan to discuss
41:26
Speaker 1: the history of the Stars. Okay, opening line that I
41:29
Speaker 1: had a questioned, Okay, just wondering if he had any
41:33
Speaker 1: suspicions across his mind as the Arizona point shaving played out,
41:38
Speaker 1: or any other situations that arose we never heard of
41:42
Speaker 1: back in the heyday. How would he track his bets
41:45
Speaker 1: for the Okay, let's answer the first point. Uh So, yeah,
41:48
Speaker 1: did you ever have any suspicions about point shaving the Arizona.
41:51
Speaker 2: You're talking about Arizona State. I think's talking about Arizona State. Yeah,
41:54
Speaker 2: because Arizona, Arizona was different. That was that was they
42:00
Speaker 2: I actually got that right. They they they said they
42:03
Speaker 2: had a phone call with the Arizona coach. I think
42:06
Speaker 2: it might have been Sean Miller saying that he paid
42:08
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand for a player. And I actually did
42:10
Speaker 2: a radio show in Memphis and said that, no, the
42:13
Speaker 2: going eight years ago was two hundred thousand, so this
42:16
Speaker 2: player would cost a lot more than one hundred thousand.
42:18
Speaker 2: So that's got to be horseshit, which it turned out
42:20
Speaker 2: to be. The Arizona State thing is interesting. I was
42:23
Speaker 2: betting Friday night at the at the Mirage. Mister mccaro
42:27
Speaker 2: was there, and I bet, I believe I bet Arizona
42:31
Speaker 2: State minus eleven against Oregon.
42:33
Speaker 3: I want to say it was Friday for Saturday.
42:35
Speaker 2: I would do a lot of betting the night before
42:36
Speaker 2: because they took big bets a Vegas and I could
42:39
Speaker 2: get down a shit ton before I even you know,
42:41
Speaker 2: before before the off shoes opened to big limits in
42:46
Speaker 2: the morning. So you know, we ran around town every
42:48
Speaker 2: Friday for Saturday because the lines were up and got
42:51
Speaker 2: down quite a bit. Actually, as soon as I laid
42:54
Speaker 2: the eleven, there was a kid down on the other
42:56
Speaker 2: end who took it back and like I know him right,
43:01
Speaker 2: Like the lines did move against me back then. But
43:03
Speaker 2: I've never seen this kid before. And I asked, mister Vicaroll,
43:05
Speaker 2: do you know who this kid is? He said, I've
43:07
Speaker 2: never seen him before. I said, that's a very strange
43:10
Speaker 2: bet that some young kid is betting the limit on
43:14
Speaker 2: against Arizona State. Like, so I didn't bet it again.
43:18
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he knew something. Well, boy, did he
43:21
Speaker 2: ever know something? Wow. However, game two, where it didn't
43:27
Speaker 2: take long for everybody know that they robbed the game,
43:30
Speaker 2: and they were robbing the next game and the game
43:32
Speaker 2: went for like nine to one. I laid it.
43:34
Speaker 3: I said, there's no way, there's no way that this
43:36
Speaker 3: is gonna happen again.
43:38
Speaker 2: And of course they were down like a million at
43:40
Speaker 2: the half, and the coach went into half time he said,
43:43
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck is going on here,
43:44
Speaker 2: but it's gonna stop right now, and he benched like
43:46
Speaker 2: a bunch of the players and they came back and
43:47
Speaker 2: won the game. So we actually won that bet, but
43:49
Speaker 2: I lost a fortune on that first Arizona State game.
43:53
Speaker 2: I think most so, I think most of the betting
44:01
Speaker 2: scandals of bullshit. That's what I think they were talking about.
44:04
Speaker 2: Some Tulsa, Mississippi Valley State game as being dumped. Now,
44:10
Speaker 2: how much fucking money are you thinking about on Tulsia
44:12
Speaker 2: Misissippi Valley State.
44:14
Speaker 3: And I remember the game. I actually bet Tulsa that game.
44:16
Speaker 2: I made it like twenty eight and an open twenty two,
44:18
Speaker 2: So it just went up because the number was wrong,
44:21
Speaker 2: not because Mississippi Valley State was dumping a fucking game.
44:25
Speaker 2: You know what I think happens, And I'm glad this
44:29
Speaker 2: is asked because I love to get this out. There's
44:31
Speaker 2: a service that all these places hire to monitor whether
44:36
Speaker 2: everything's on the square. Well, they're not on business unless
44:39
Speaker 2: they find something, so they dig up all this horseshit.
44:44
Speaker 2: Although I guess someone guy actually got convicted of dumping,
44:46
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm not totally right, but they almost
44:50
Speaker 2: everything to dig up as just horseshit. I remember all
44:52
Speaker 2: the games, and I remember the lines were just wrong
44:54
Speaker 2: and they moved. You know, I know this some first
44:57
Speaker 2: half anomalies, but that could be a modeling thing. You know,
45:02
Speaker 2: that's not my field, so I don't know, but I
45:03
Speaker 2: could see some model finding out that a team typically
45:07
Speaker 2: is very good in the first half of the coach
45:09
Speaker 2: is very good at creating a game plan that keeps
45:12
Speaker 2: them in the first half and then the other team
45:13
Speaker 2: a guest for it. There's reasons why a first half
45:16
Speaker 2: could be way different than the game. So I think
45:19
Speaker 2: that's the service just inventing shit so they can continue
45:22
Speaker 2: to make the millions of dollars every year.
45:24
Speaker 3: And you know, it's just a common theme everything.
45:26
Speaker 2: Everything's bullshit. And I think they're completely bullshit too, Like
45:29
Speaker 2: the sports betting monitoring thing for the sanctity of the sport.
45:33
Speaker 2: They don't give two shits about that. They just want
45:36
Speaker 2: the money. They don't give a fuck if they rob it.
45:38
Speaker 1: You have a casinos subscribe to them, So casinos are
45:41
Speaker 1: paying for them, right you have. Yeah, the organization is
45:44
Speaker 1: now paying for them too, so.
45:46
Speaker 2: You don't need them. Yeah, mister mccaro is the one
45:49
Speaker 2: that called something's wrong.
45:53
Speaker 3: You didn't need a sports betting service.
45:55
Speaker 2: You need someone who knows what he's doing, which, by
45:57
Speaker 2: the way, most of these places don't know what they're doing.
46:00
Speaker 2: Uh say, you know this ain't right, Like there's some
46:02
Speaker 2: stranger here betting Oregon State six times, like yeah, yeah
46:08
Speaker 2: against against Boston lest like you know, the Carol respected me.
46:11
Speaker 2: I won I printed money doing this back then, like
46:14
Speaker 2: and I'm betting one side. Here's some kid he's never
46:15
Speaker 2: seen bet on the other side, and the line's plummeting
46:18
Speaker 2: like he and and no one was injured. So he
46:21
Speaker 2: figured it out something else. This guy must have been
46:24
Speaker 2: at your house in the past. L v C C
46:26
Speaker 2: five two o three.
46:28
Speaker 1: I remember when you invited strangers to march madness at
46:30
Speaker 1: your house. You've had two beautiful danes. Who does that?
46:34
Speaker 1: And he mentions Bella. What a great Thursday. He said, yeah,
46:37
Speaker 1: that was the good old days of that, of that.
46:39
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think, did you have Yeah, I
46:43
Speaker 2: had Bella? Uh yeah, Dowey came along before. Well he
46:47
Speaker 2: was before Okay, he was before that. Okay, I was
46:51
Speaker 2: actually when did I have that? Yeah?
46:54
Speaker 3: No, I was doing that. Uh I did that had
46:58
Speaker 3: passed away, so it was Bella.
46:59
Speaker 2: Bella, it was Bellie. Yeah I did that was because
47:02
Speaker 2: why not? Like, yeah, I don't give a fuck about money,
47:05
Speaker 2: so you know, and you know I understood that people
47:10
Speaker 2: enjoyed my band for better or for worse, so invite
47:13
Speaker 2: them over. Who cares. Yeah.
47:14
Speaker 3: I wasn't the greatest host, but you know I tried.
47:18
Speaker 1: I want to read this to you here, so people
47:20
Speaker 1: see this. This is Pala Casino and I'm going I
47:23
Speaker 1: guess I'm going to read with this says this is
47:25
Speaker 1: about slot machines. This is posted at their casino cage.
47:29
Speaker 1: I took a photo. You can see a counting machine
47:31
Speaker 1: in the background. I took the photo right at the
47:32
Speaker 1: casino cage. A friendly reminder about playing slots using someone
47:37
Speaker 1: else's players card. Any jackpot won by a guest using
47:40
Speaker 1: another person's card will not be paid. This includes the
47:45
Speaker 1: card of spouses, relatives, and close friends. So now what
47:50
Speaker 1: we're talking about here is someone reached out to me
47:53
Speaker 1: recently from California and said, Rack, you won't believe this.
47:57
Speaker 1: My wife and I were playing at a slot machine
47:59
Speaker 1: that had a seat bench and my card was in
48:02
Speaker 1: but she was pushing the button and they actually gave
48:05
Speaker 1: me a hard time before paying us. Wow, your wife
48:10
Speaker 1: that the same name was at the slot machine. What
48:13
Speaker 1: balls these fucking places have doing something like that? That
48:17
Speaker 1: gets me, man, I mean, it's just.
48:19
Speaker 2: That's the nature of the world they have. They have
48:21
Speaker 2: a little bit of power, and they try to just
48:22
Speaker 2: abuse people like FanDuel and DraftKings are the worst.
48:25
Speaker 3: They try to fuck people over left and right, give.
48:27
Speaker 1: Me an example of something you're talking about.
48:30
Speaker 2: I was approached by someone. I never followed up on
48:32
Speaker 2: it because I was just asked for advice. My friend
48:35
Speaker 2: who I played poker with, had said, I have a
48:38
Speaker 2: friend who bet the Orioles.
48:39
Speaker 3: This is a couple of years ago. They were having
48:41
Speaker 3: a home run year.
48:42
Speaker 2: He bet him to win the Pennant, the World Series,
48:44
Speaker 2: and the Division and he was about to win like
48:49
Speaker 2: a shit ton of money, and FanDuel sent him a
48:54
Speaker 2: cash out.
48:55
Speaker 3: They always had the cash out option. Sure, they sent
48:58
Speaker 3: it to him.
48:58
Speaker 2: He didn't ask for it, and they and he said, well,
49:02
Speaker 2: you you know, you broke some rule that they had
49:05
Speaker 2: about multiple bets, but you know, and and and they
49:10
Speaker 2: just sent it to him. He said, what's he supposed
49:12
Speaker 2: to do? I said, Number one, don't catch the check.
49:14
Speaker 2: Number two, hire a lawyer, because if they were worried
49:17
Speaker 2: about this, they would have said something back in March
49:19
Speaker 2: when he made the bets, not in September when they're
49:22
Speaker 2: about to lose two billion dollars. Uh.
49:25
Speaker 3: So that that's one example, but they they they're.
49:28
Speaker 2: You know, I don't recall them, but I there's myriad
49:32
Speaker 2: of examples where I mean draft Kings put a put
49:34
Speaker 2: a rule in this This is it in a nutshell.
49:37
Speaker 3: Draft Kings put a rule in if you have information
49:39
Speaker 3: that we're not privy to, we can not we we
49:42
Speaker 3: have the right not to pay you. Now, can you
49:44
Speaker 3: fucking imagine?
49:46
Speaker 2: I called you that day where that that's two hundred
49:48
Speaker 2: dollars and Lebron James is out and he wins the bat.
49:51
Speaker 3: Well, we're not paying you.
49:52
Speaker 1: Because you had what I was on vison that day.
49:56
Speaker 1: I called you that day with Al's referring to it.
49:59
Speaker 1: I actually called and said, listen to this. I just
50:01
Speaker 1: talked about this new policy they have. It was a
50:04
Speaker 1: backup running back, and he said, well, if you bet
50:07
Speaker 1: the backup running back to score a touchdown and the
50:10
Speaker 1: main running back starter gets pulled, doesn't play the game,
50:13
Speaker 1: we have a right to cancel that second tickets based
50:17
Speaker 1: on us thinking you had the knowledge of that player
50:20
Speaker 1: being out. I talked about it on I told him listen.
50:23
Speaker 1: I tooked them about the good and bad DraftKings took
50:25
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars at the counter at Foxwood for me.
50:27
Speaker 1: They were absolutely fantastic, got along, always gave them good press.
50:31
Speaker 1: They paid me six figures on ban Cero. They paid
50:33
Speaker 1: me a lot of things. They were very good to me.
50:35
Speaker 1: But I talked about this policy and how I don't
50:37
Speaker 1: think it's right.
50:39
Speaker 2: Right.
50:39
Speaker 1: When I got off air, I got a phone call
50:41
Speaker 1: from Foxwood's my casino host, saying, Hey, they listened to
50:45
Speaker 1: you in the office. Here, the DraftKings office listens to you,
50:50
Speaker 1: and they don't want your business no more. Your max
50:52
Speaker 1: BET's two fifty just because I had a comment on it,
50:55
Speaker 1: and I called you instantly, I said, do you believe this?
50:58
Speaker 1: I can't even believe they lowered might bet twenty minutes
51:01
Speaker 1: after I got off air because I just talked about something.
51:04
Speaker 1: I just you know, and to be honest with you,
51:07
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna the truth. I'm always gonna get it.
51:10
Speaker 1: Spoke the truth. Yeah, I just I just rebuttaled what
51:13
Speaker 1: I thought wasn't right.
51:14
Speaker 2: On their pologies, it's not right.
51:15
Speaker 3: It's insanity.
51:17
Speaker 2: But that's the problem when things get legalized and the
51:19
Speaker 2: government's involved, DraftKings and fanduals. They spent millions of dollars
51:24
Speaker 2: to lock up Vermont. I was actually asked to help
51:28
Speaker 2: with legalized betting in Vermont. Now, what they did with
51:31
Speaker 2: marijuana was they kept it local only Only Vermonters can
51:35
Speaker 2: own uh dispensaries in Vermont and grow. It's fantastic. That's
51:39
Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to be. And I suggested you
51:42
Speaker 2: should do the same with sports betting. Have people build
51:47
Speaker 2: little bars or a little sports bars or or or
51:51
Speaker 2: even a fancy hotel where you where you can invite
51:54
Speaker 2: people from New York to spend the weekend, you know,
51:55
Speaker 2: and go see the foliage.
51:57
Speaker 3: While I bet the NFL like this. There's ideas you
51:59
Speaker 3: can use there.
52:01
Speaker 2: And the senator that we were involved with was on
52:04
Speaker 2: the committee and when he brought these ideas to him
52:06
Speaker 2: to keep it local, he was now off the committee.
52:10
Speaker 2: So Bandul and DraftKings locked up Vermont, which which wasn't
52:14
Speaker 2: very smart because there's only like seven hundred and fifty
52:16
Speaker 2: thousand people in Vermont, most of them live in in
52:18
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere and don't give two shits about
52:19
Speaker 2: sports betting, so they can get their asses kicked there.
52:22
Speaker 2: But the point is is they have these lobbyists in
52:24
Speaker 2: there donating billions to these campaigns and they're not going
52:27
Speaker 2: to rule against them. Right. That's not how America is
52:29
Speaker 2: supposed to be, But that's that's the problem with our
52:31
Speaker 2: government a nutshell is these lobbyists have way too much power.
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Speaker 2: So DraftKings and fandal have all this power, so they
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Speaker 2: don't give a ship what they do.
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Speaker 1: So you'll pull them back to that original.
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Speaker 3: They want that original?
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Speaker 1: Uh that that little placard. I've seen them. They're posted
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Speaker 1: all over Pala Casino in California.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I have a story from yesterday that
52:48
Speaker 2: that parallels that. Okay, uh my buddy, My buddy comes
52:52
Speaker 2: every Sunday Monday, uh to uh Mohegan, which, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is an amazing casino, like beautiful casino. I love more
53:00
Speaker 2: and they and they're the total class acts all the way.
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Speaker 2: I can't say the same about Foxwoods, but Okay, Mohegan's amazing.
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Speaker 2: My host is fantastic. H I like to dabble in
53:11
Speaker 2: slots for better or for worse. Uh, yesterday was for better.
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Speaker 2: So my buddy and I we we played partners and
53:19
Speaker 2: it was a three dollars a spin duck game or
53:21
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was, a.
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Speaker 1: New bonus game though there was a little bit of
53:24
Speaker 1: an edge.
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Speaker 2: Who knows. We like playing the game.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: So we hit the free games and we have nineteen dollars,
53:33
Speaker 2: not very good. The last spin, we get into this
53:36
Speaker 2: spin bonus and we just crush it and we hit
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Speaker 2: the wheel bonus, which is one of the available bonuses.
53:43
Speaker 2: There's there's three that explode and bounty and Bounty that's
53:47
Speaker 2: the other one in the wheel.
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Speaker 3: So I never hit the wheel bones before us.
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Speaker 2: We hit the wheel bonus and you know, it's all over,
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Speaker 2: and I get the five X multiplayer and during the
53:57
Speaker 2: during the during the bonus, we hit explode twice, which
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Speaker 2: means the gun shoots at the at the spot and
54:03
Speaker 2: increases the value of it.
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Speaker 3: So we got ten increases in value.
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Speaker 2: So we got to the top number on three or
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Speaker 2: four spaces, which is a lot. And now it's multiplied
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Speaker 2: times five. Like I look at my bid and I said,
54:15
Speaker 2: holy fuck, this could be a hand pay, Like this
54:16
Speaker 2: is it's three dollars to spend. Now this is well,
54:19
Speaker 2: luckily it was eleven hundred and ninety dollars, which is
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Speaker 2: blow of the hand pay. But unfortunately we already had
54:24
Speaker 2: nineteen dollars in there. Right now it's a hand pay.
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Speaker 2: And now I realize, oh fuck, his card's in there.
54:32
Speaker 2: I'm spinning. He's right next to me. Same thing with
54:34
Speaker 2: the husband and white thing. It's a two seat thing
54:36
Speaker 2: and we play partners. We always do it. Thank god
54:40
Speaker 2: I knew the kid who who came over. He said,
54:43
Speaker 2: you know, next time, just tell us you're playing partners.
54:45
Speaker 2: It's okay, like they're not. They're not. They didn't try
54:48
Speaker 2: to screw me, you know, right, No, your card wasn't
54:50
Speaker 2: in there, but you know, just next next time, just
54:52
Speaker 2: tell us in advance.
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Speaker 3: So they handled it really, really well.
54:55
Speaker 2: I'm a good customer and this kid is too, Like,
54:57
Speaker 2: you don't want to drive us out over something that
54:59
Speaker 2: was entirely ans.
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Speaker 3: We weren't doing any toparius. He was there, We played
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Speaker 3: partners and sometimes you.
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Speaker 2: Know, we put his card in or I put my
55:06
Speaker 2: card in, like we kind of just switch it off.
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Speaker 2: And I forgot to switch it off when it was
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Speaker 2: my turn to spind and you know, there was nothing.
55:14
Speaker 2: There was no pay. They would that place there that
55:18
Speaker 2: you're talking about probably would be like arguing, when I'm.
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Speaker 3: Paying, it's unbelievable. I'd want to pay someone.
55:24
Speaker 2: You want you want to pay people and brag about it.
55:27
Speaker 1: How about these different groups and stuff that go around
55:30
Speaker 1: card building. I know they arrested someone in Pennsylvania a
55:32
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, a big name. I'm not gonna
55:34
Speaker 1: say what it is, but they arrested a big name.
55:36
Speaker 1: And a couple of years ago, they arrested a giant
55:38
Speaker 1: name in poker for having like fifteen cars. This guy
55:41
Speaker 1: had twelve a couple of weeks ago. It's I agree
55:44
Speaker 1: with you're picking up free play for other people. They're
55:47
Speaker 1: agreeing to it. They're signing up for a card, they're
55:50
Speaker 1: getting a piece of the free play. You're putting volume through,
55:53
Speaker 1: and you're playing with someone else's card, and they're considered
55:56
Speaker 1: a cheating And now you can actually get arrested with
55:58
Speaker 1: multiple people's cards.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I know a kid
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Speaker 2: who does a lot of slots. Who who who got
56:05
Speaker 2: arrested for that at Twin River? Uh? Wow? They the
56:10
Speaker 2: case he got ratted on? Uh gotcha. I saw his
56:14
Speaker 2: parents and they I said, show me a picture that
56:15
Speaker 2: got ratted on in case I run in them. We'll we'll,
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Speaker 2: we'll make his life viserable, we can.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Kids, a sweetheart doesn't bother anybody doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Uh. The case is gonna get thrown out, that's what
56:26
Speaker 2: they think. I mean, what do you what what what
56:29
Speaker 2: are you arresting them for? Right?
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Speaker 3: I think it was his grandmother's card, like it wasn't
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Speaker 3: like some yeah, I think I.
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Speaker 2: I think those people are discussing I I you know,
56:40
Speaker 2: everyone has to try to in a living and if
56:42
Speaker 2: you can suck the casino, so be it. But if
56:44
Speaker 2: I own to a casino, those card builders would be would
56:46
Speaker 2: be out immediately, the card buildings. I had an opportunity
56:48
Speaker 2: to rest them, I would like, they're you know, it's
56:52
Speaker 2: not good for the casino. And oftentimes they're the card
56:56
Speaker 2: builders could be assholes too, like yeah, yeah, that's true,
56:59
Speaker 2: that's true.
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Speaker 1: Well listen, we've been on an hour here and this
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Speaker 1: is another great show and look forward to the comments
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Speaker 1: and and your questions. Thank you everyone for commenting and
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Speaker 1: liking and and we're going to continue chugging along here.
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Thanks Alan be good.
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Speaker 3: I have fun, everybody,