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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium We are the voices of the Occultinarium and tonight's hosts are Luigi: Luigi Amelie: Amelie Lynn: And Lynn. I have to laugh almost every time because I'm just expecting our dear program to pick up family again or something or or weird names for us. I just expect Amelie: It's normally family with an exclamation mark, no, with a question mark. With a question mark. Yeah. The mystery Lynn: question the question mark, yeah. Mm, yeah, that way, maybe. Wow. Luigi: You're a mystery, a mystery to the ether. Amelie: family. Lynn: It is a day. We are attempting we are Luigi: you Lynn: attempting to talk about the third Decan of Libra and so fittingly for our brain capacity right now, the four of swords. the Lord Lady of rest rest from well strife yes so this is kind of I guess what I this is actually exactly the thing that I wanted to do just before getting on our episode. I wanted to lay down on the ground. I have these massage balls like the spiky balls that are really good for like helping reset or like help with your fascia. And it's like a a life Amelie: Ooh, I like those. Lynn: a life changer. It's been a life changer for me since my friend who's like a a body therapist shout out to Hanne since she introduced me. Yeah, Amelie: Well that's the friend that I wanted to meet, I remember that now. Lynn: she's great. She's amazing. so yeah, a life changer. So and I really was th thought like half like half an hour, maybe I should just go in the ground and you know, like lie on these balls and listen to music like I like to do. But that didn't happen. Because then my brain went into overgear, although I'm super tired. So yeah, we were just talking about that. And I'm just like it's Gemini rising for me over here right now. And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I've just Wee. Luigi: dancing off the walls. Lynn: Bouncing off the walls. And whoop going from that to actually the the card that we're talking about, the four of swords. I can kick us off again a little with a few words about the Decans and the deccanic rulership. we have the well first of all the decan is from 13th to 22nd of october we are recording on the 12th of october so it shall we shall slide into that tomorrow into the hopefully somewhat more restful days and the we will see. the decanic rulers are in the descending order, it's Jupiter. as we can see on the Thoth on the Thoth card, it's Jupiter indicated and in the triplicity order it is Mercury. Mercury and Jupiter having a field day. So the interesting thing and I I'm I wasn't sure whether I should start us off with the decanic images and the Decan because it is so contrary to the actual card's meaning and and how we usually interpret it and what we're basing it off. so for for the images i in the Picatrix, there is this image of a man riding a donkey and some Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: ferocious animals jumping out in front of him, threatening him, I suppose. And in the palazzo Schiffonia, I cannot I do not pronounce it correctly, but in the the palazzo and that has these walls with the the decans, for the Libra Decan there's like this scantily clad man in a loincloth standing next to another man who seems to be like either, you know, going with a flute or a fanfare or a Hunter or I'm not sure. so Luigi: What an image. Lynn: yeah, so neither of these images align with what what we have in the Smith deck for sure not and the the meaning or the vibe from the Picatrix is more of something like well it says it it indicates sinfulness and sodomy and singing Luigi: Ha Lynn: and having fun, entertainment and enjoyment. that is that is the Jupiter part, right? The the enjoyment, enjoying yourself and just going all out. but it's very different from the images that we are having in the the tarot deck. Amelie: How did we get to like this card? Lynn: Yeah, you know what? I'm not so sure I am not so sure from the Decans at all. I'm but I'm not the expert. We have to rely on the experts to enlighten us by deep diving to that. But maybe maybe it can serve as a stimulation or maybe you get interested in the decens and you try and you get your hands on all the books of all the people who wrote about decans, like Austin Coppock and wasn't it Chen also who wrote a book about Decan. So there's Susan T. Chang. Luigi: Yes. Lynn: So yes, so there's there's a few wonderful astrologers Luigi: resources. Lynn: and and tarot people out there, yeah, who've written things about these. So yeah. this energy of of Jupiter and Mercury as rulers, we get that sense of that it's kind of a mercurial Libra like you know Libra trying to balance and trying to find a balance between things but with this mercurial energy it's kind of being pulled in very many different directions at the same time like what I've been experiencing the past half an hour or something. So so yeah that's that's the feel. That's the feel. Luigi: Mmm. Lynn: But our usual so yeah, let's zip pivot into into the cards. So with the Smith, right? our usual interpretations are I mean they can be manifold like always, right? But it's like the rest. this person down here is not traditionally seen as a dead person for people who're seeing it for the first time. So we're having like a person seems to be like a knight laying on a words do fail me it's not it's not Gemini rising anymore is it but anyway so we're having him lying on a on a thing that looks to Luigi: coffin. Lynn: be like yeah it looks to be a coffin right because we having on the top we having this glass stained window here so we we would think maybe it's a church you're having three swords against the wall and one sword under him on the bed that he is on the thing that he is resting on. Luigi: It reminds me a little bit like a sarcophagus, if that's a good word to use. Lynn: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah. What I've heard or or seen or read or w what not is that there used to be like in the Middle Ages or what not, there used to be this thing that knights would actually go and lay in these sanctums between between battles and get inspiration from from God or, you know, and restore their energy. And that's Luigi: All Lynn: But that's what the inspiration that Smith had for this image. Yeah. Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: So rest is what we all really want right now. Luigi: Aspire. Lynn: Here. The thing is with rest though, because this is not peace, right? This is this is truce in in the Thoth, right? So it's not peace, it's just a short rest. before the strife and the battle of the swords continues. so it's a very fragile state. in something that cannot Luigi: easily sustained. Lynn: yeah, not easily sustain and something that is also that's easily threatened. 'Cause you are in a state of truce or in a state of rest because there is like fighting going on around you because there is strife going on around you, right? And that's how you, you know, get this short break. in which you hopefully regain some insights or some rest so that you can actually go out and back into the strife and get the five of swords after, right? So it's like a battle end. Yeah. Luigi: Yeah, especially when you consider what comes before is the Lady of Sorrow and then what comes after the Lady of Defeat from Crowley's perspective. So there's Lynn: Mm. Luigi: the truce, isn't it? Like a period of stability and if not a period of sanctuary from the sorrow that came before and the defeat that may or may not come after. So yeah, that's something to consider when it comes to at least some of the Toth correspondence and symbolism Amelie: Thank Luigi: and whatnot. Lynn: Between between a rock and a hard place really, yeah. Luigi: Yes, exactly. Lynn: Especially I mean with the swords, with some other, you know, the the three three, four, five, you when you know that with the fives things get usually turbulent. but with many of the others, you know, the threes are nice, you know, three of cups, you know, we like them. We usually like the three of wands as well, you Luigi: Are you a blond? Yeah. Lynn: know. Nothing to say about that, you know, the the three of disks, you know, like working together. We like cooperation and collaboration. three of swords. Hmm Hmm Yeah. Luigi: I mean, some of us like the Three of Swords, but yeah, absolutely. I completely hear it. Lynn: We just covered it in our last episode, yeah. But not everybody Amelie: You Lynn: does. Amelie: But it's also like the fours, the fours are very idle in a sense. And then when you have the, when you have the four of cups, it's a nice kind of relaxing. You have a little bit too much and you're kind of a bit bored. Here is more, you're relaxed, but you're definitely not bored. It's almost like you have to. you're like thinking, your mind is still going and thinking the strategy of like getting out of it in a sense. Luigi: Mm-hmm. Amelie: Because can you, so it's truce, but can you actually count on the opposite people, whatever you're fighting, that Luigi: Hmm. Amelie: it will remain a truce. Obviously we know Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: it won't because we're going into fives. But the Lynn: Mm. Amelie: swords are pointing down on this person as well. That's why I feel a little bit like, you know, don't bloody move. Lynn: Mm. It's a vulnerable state, yeah. I mean it's Amelie: Mmm. Lynn: the way it looks, right? I mean, if they were to fall we could think spatially, right, that they're at the wall and this person is in front and there's actually no danger. But the way that in a two dimensional image, the way that they're placed, Amelie: Mm-hmm. Lynn: you would think, you know, they could just come down and pierce all the important parts of his body, right? The the head and the heart. And the stomach. Hmm. Amelie: Absolutely. Cause Luigi: Yeah, does it? Amelie: if you, if you, if you would, if you would put up swords, you will not put them up like this normally. specifically if you're still in the time when they, when you're using them, that would be a very awkward place, like to place them with a handle on top. So there's, mean, it's, it's Pixie. Obviously there's a reason why. Luigi probably knows better. Luigi: I think the suggestion is that the swords are meant to pierce or at least touch upon or at least embrace the individual because you noticed they were above the stomach, the heart, the head but you can also view it as the chakra domains, their surroundings, so between the solar and the crown I suppose. We notice that three of the swords are grey which will be indicative of the color of wisdom, the color of chokhmah. And then the golden yellow sword at the bottom that the individual or the being is relying upon, that will be indicative of Tiphareth. But it's like wisdom asking to touch upon the individual's sacral, solar, heart, throat. What do we have next? yeah, the third eye and the crown chakras. A very spiritual experience, suppose, again, like drawing upon highly spiritual lessons in order to maybe comprehend the past, in this case perhaps the Lady of Sorrow, and to better prepare for the future, in this case for us as we know the Lady of Defeat. Lynn: And Amelie: calm before the storm. Lynn: yeah Luigi: Mm. Lynn: and the the glass stained window that we're having it reminds me of the the six of coins or pentacles so we're having a person like we have one person seems to be like praying or begging the other person here for something and then this person seems to be you know Amelie: of six of cups. Lynn: Yeah, no, I'm thinking six of coins, like giving out to the poor. But it you Amelie: yeah, yeah, yeah. Lynn: know, yeah. So and then this person seems to like, yeah, here you I'm giving you something. Either I'm blessing you or it could be just a blessing, you know. I mean they're very white clad and then it looks like it could be like a halo or some saint symbol around their head. So it could be like a saint giving blessing to the commoner, or it's a rich person giving alms to the poor. But I mean this is an image here, right? And if we're thinking of the first that I mentioned, if it's like a sainted figure, blessing, the commoner, it's kind of it could be like the dream or the intent of the person lying here, right? That some higher being gives a blessing so that he can fight and be victorious rather than defeated when he gets up from his rest. When they get up from their rest. Luigi: Yeah, I do wonder with that image that you pointed out, Lynn, I do wonder whether there's a code around the mother and the child, she does... the person Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: providing... the person with the halo, the individual with the halo, does emanate a lot of divine feminine energy around them, and the individual, quote-unquote, below them, almost feel like smaller, like a child almost? So I wonder if there is something going on with that. As well as the word Pax on the halo itself, I think it's on your cards. And I think it reflects the... because we know that we are in Chesed now, in the Yetzeratic realm of Chesed. But above it, it probably reflects the peace from the two of swords all the way back then. So possibly truce given by Amelie: Looks like a mother. Luigi: a peace Amelie: It looks like a mother trying to put on a scarf on her child. Luigi: Aww. Lynn: Yeah, I mean there's whatever it is, it there's there's some exchange going on, right? and it seems to be like the exchange of somebody giving to somebody who has less in in whatever they're giving. So yeah then. That's our so Pixie. Do we wanna look at our thoth? Our dear thoth card. Hmm so different images. I do quite like the background of this card. It reminds me of Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: the Wheel of Fortune. with its well Luigi: Understandably so. Lynn: symbols, yeah, and the it seems so electric kind of. well we do have four swords arranged in the position of an Andrews cross, which is supposed to be a symbol of surrender and stuff like that. Stuff that Crowley didn't really Luigi: You Lynn: like so much. Like how surrender and you know, like the the whole hanged man energy that he wasn't such a fan of. and they're all pointing to the rose in the middle which how many petals was it? saying words now. Luigi: think it's 49. Lynn: Forty forty nine. It's not the exact same one as this one, but maybe it's supposed to be. Luigi: I think the 49 petals within the white rose, they are a reference to Venus, 49 being one of the magical number of Venus ruling Libra, as we discussed previously with the 3 and 2 swords. Lynn: Mm-mm mm. Yeah, okay that makes that does make sense. And then we're having the green colour in the background as well, which is very Venusian. Luigi: Yeah, but even Lucian. Lynn: Mm mm. Luigi: And on top of that, I think if you observe the drawings on the hilts of the swords, each of them is quite unique, and I'm pretty sure that each drawing within the hilts supposed to represent the different elements, so fire, water, and earth. Lynn: I mean if you have four, right? It's kind of bound to be elements represented whenever we have four in us in something. in in the cards. Mm, mm. Yes. well we are in Libra, and so there's like this card is also often connected to law and to to certain structure society. And this card is said to be a bit more societal maybe than some of the other Libra cards. and we're seeing swords in in an agreement, right? In truce. So it's like something that has been fighting comes to a short lived maybe, but comes to some sort of agreement to lay down the weapons and and restore. So we we're having like a little bit of a yeah, a lawful a background here. Luigi: Yeah. I think as well with the white rose, although it's a bit of a stretch to comment on that, but I think it echoes the fool, at least from a Smith perspective, like the fool holding the white rose. There is a whole series of symbolism obviously associated with the white rose, but I think it connects to what Crowley describes Libra. being, or at least the adjustment card being the fool's dancing partner. So probably recognizing what happens, what takes place when the fool and the adjustment card meet in the middle, I suppose. It creates this, again, this spiritual sanctuary, this protective field, this environment of tranquility and peace and contemplation. which is not necessarily just passive, it's actually like the power needed to engine strategy, ideas, new pathways. So yeah, in a way, in itself, it's quite empowering. Amelie: You said dancing partner. The rose makes me think about a tutu. Like a ballerina. Luigi: I look like a ballerina! Lynn: huh. Luigi: Yeah, that's fair. Lynn: On the top. Amelie: Which is also can be, you know, when you open, you open the like a jewelry box or something and Luigi: Yeah. Amelie: you have the ballerina just spinning and it's, it's quite, you know, nice and it's Luigi: music box. Amelie: peaceful. Yeah. But then there's, there is this anticipation of something happening after. or it just stops or it's just this... Maybe I've seen too many horror movies. Luigi: Hahaha Lynn: was just thinking horror movies as well. I was just like, then you get the Amelie: Yeah Lynn: creepy melody and Luigi: But also, Amelie, if you hold it back again, the four of swords, I don't know if it's just me, but do you guys see on the lower end of the card the yellow lines mixed with the blue background almost forming a mountain? Lynn: Yeah, it does look like a mountain landscape. Luigi: Yeah, I don't know, it could be just imagination, but I think it's quite intentional because it would reflect the principles of Malkuth and obviously we know that the magical images of both Chesed and Malkuth would be the king and the queen, so I wonder if there is a direct... what's the word I'm looking for? You know, hint or... point of correspondence, especially when considering that Malkuth the tenth Sephira, also borrows from the tenth Major Arcana, the Wheel of Fortune, ruled by Jupiter, that rules, has it. That's a bit of a trip over there in itself, but I don't know, feel like there's a clear echo of what this power of truth within the mind can benefit. you know, the earthly experience and by extension the earth altogether. Lynn: I think with a lot of these fours and also here I think there's this hidden warning maybe or like a signpost that you can rest on your laurels, right? you can like idle in it, but if you do then nothing will be gained, right? So in the in the case of this in the the four of swords, you know like it's not supposed to be just rest to be lazy, right? Or it's not supposed to be like you're just resting because you need rest but you supposed to get some ideas or or inspiration or develop your yourself further so that you can rejoin or join the things, the strife that's going on around you in as a slightly different self than when you first entered it the state of truce, if that makes sense. Luigi: Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Amelie: you were talking about the mountains that when I'm looking at it and when I'm looking at the middle part here it makes me think of the of a pyramid from the top because even the because they kind of go in like this and it makes me think about the stuff that we were well I think about quite a lot if they had electricity or not, which I think they definitely had. Side note, I'm one of those crazy people. But it really, it Lynn: Ha ha ha ha. Amelie: made me really think about the pyramid and then the electricity all around it. But on the inside, you're kind of safe from all these bolts and things. So there's you don't you just don't see it because you're on the inside so everything is hunky-dory but is on the Luigi: Hmm. Amelie: outside that things happen so whenever you come outside then maybe the five of swords will happen it was just a side note it just made me think about that Luigi: Yeah. No, I can see it. Lynn: But we live we live off of side notes. That's the that's the s the stuff Amelie: Exactly. Lynn: our dreams are made made of, rabbit holes and side notes and all that. Amelie: This is why I like the the Thoth deck as well, because there's it's so detailed and your mind can really wander and see things that probably were not even meant to be there. But it makes you see things from different perspectives. Lynn: we mention it so often the wheel of fortune right yeah just to put them up next to each other I do you know I do get this yeah Luigi: similar electric. Lynn: I do get this mmm connection Luigi: which is very echoey of Zeus, know, not just the king of the gods, or at least the king of the Greek Hellenistic gods, but also the god of Thunder, echoing Thor in the Norse mythology. So there's a sense of awakening. Lynn: Ishkur Luigi: Ishkur Lynn: There's there's a lot of there's a lot of thunder gods out there. Yeah. Luigi: They shake our world about. Lynn: Color scales? Shall we talk about that? Luigi: Yeah, so they're very clearly displayed, kind of both in the Smith, I suppose, and the Toth for certain, because you got, like we mentioned, we got the green, which is Venusian in the Thoth, in the cross, and Venus ruling Libra. There's a lot of blue, which is the Briatic color of Chesed. And then we got, I mean, in your version of the deck, the background of, in the Smith deck, in the background of the church or the sanctuary is totally gray, but in the radiant smith it will be purple and that will be not only beautiful because everybody loves purple, but also because purple or violet will reflect the Atzuluthian color of Chesed. I'm thinking of the yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow. Let's see. Lynn: You mentioned Tiphareth earlier, so that would be like the sun and mm. Luigi: Yeah, I just wonder, because I guess the only, not the only, but one of the ways to look at it, like you said, there is the element of Tiphareth. Well, one yellow is connected to the realm of air. Yellow is the color of the elemental air, which is the kingdom Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: that we're in at the moment. But also when we think about it, we're still talking about Decans of Libra, the Justice card or the Adjustment card. one of several paths that leads into Tiphareth. So maybe that's also something to consider when reflecting and meditating on the color association, particularly surrounding the color yellow. Amelie: So in the Golden Dawn, it's very, very yellow. And Luigi: Mm-hmm. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: so the yellow and the violet are supposed to be because of air, of the air element in it. it's nothing crazier than that. It still has that shape. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: country. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: That country, the country that we don't know what country it is. Lynn: We do wonder about the shapes. Luigi: This is my color blindness. Is it violet or is blue? Because when I look at it, I see blue. But is it violet? Is he actually violet, do you think? Amelie: I think the light might kind of make it a little bit more bluey than it is, Luigi: okay, okay. Amelie: but it is violet when I'm looking at it. There's more definitely a bit more red in it than it shows on camera. Luigi: Yeah, and again that will make sense. Amelie: And the book also says that it's violet for yellow and violet. So I, it's, it's violet. Sure. And I guess, Luigi: Perfect. Amelie: I guess that's what you kind of get with all these colors. Lynn: That's the Jupiterian fortune colours, right, You have the yellow and the violet Luigi: Yeah, yeah. Lynn: here so I also really strong. Amelie: I just remember when we went to for the exhibition and we saw the painting of the Wheel of Fortune. And because Luigi: Mm-hmm. that was beautiful. Amelie: it was so big and the colours, they were just so, so beautiful. Specifically that violet colour. It has nothing on the actual deck. Like when you see it in person, the colour was so, so beautiful. Lynn: Soft one. Amelie: Imagine seeing all of them. Yeah, the fourth one. Yep. Yeah. That was... Luigi: This is an interesting one. So the Assiahtic color, so the color of the Kingdom of Air, of the Wheel of Fortune, is actually called blue, radiant yellow. which again reflects the four swords in the Thoth deck and the Wheel of Fortune again in the Thoth deck. And I guess it makes sense because when it comes to the color... Amelie: And then you have the angelic hands there again. Luigi: yeah, there they are once more. And I guess it makes sense because when you got the color, the number four, in a way, there is always a reference to Earth, because the fourth element in terms of the order of the kingdoms and the element that... theoretically contains all elements or the kingdom that theoretically or non-theoretically contains all of the elements. So again, there's always a bit of a... Again, the number of materialization and structure, there's always a bit of an earthly aspect when it comes to number four. So I'm only saying that to say it completely checks out that they would choose the Assiahtic color scale for a lot of those representations. Amelie: Shall we have a look at the Hermetic one? The complete opposite of no colors Lynn: Yes. Luigi: Ha ha Lynn: From all the colours to absolutely no colours. Well, so that's interesting is that the four swords are well they're aligned in kind of a way like the three of swords in the classical images, that they're like crossing each other and crossing behind Luigi: Mm. Lynn: the petal, but also find it interesting that they're not held by any hands as opposed to the Golden Dawn. Instead we're having two hands on each side are like, but then they're swearing or or mildly threatening. Luigi: feel like they surrendered the swords. Amelie: I guess it's truce. It's truce so they just let go of the weapons. I don't know. Luigi: Exactly. Exactly. They gave up the swords. I also see this massive Amelie: I also find it Luigi: eye. I don't know. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Maybe it's easier, I don't know. Luigi: Like the Eye of All Lynn: Yeah, but it looks like an it looks it's just it more like this rather than oval shape, but it does Luigi: Mm. Lynn: look like an eye. we like to see eyes in things. So this is very Luigi: Always. Lynn: points a little bit I was just saying like Amelie: find it interesting. sorry. Lynn: technically it's six swords because there's two little daggers on top as well. So it says four swords. Really? Yeah. Amelie: We were about to say exactly the thing, so that's cool. Luigi: And at the bottom is a net. Lynn: Jinx. yeah, that's true. So it's eight. Luigi: So 8 Amelie: There's two on top and then two at the bottom as well. Lynn: Wow. We're cheating. Amelie: on House Train. Luigi: which is intriguing Lynn: Yeah, there's Jupiter in in the handle Luigi: yeah, it's the Glyph of Jupiter. Lynn: and then you have the the handles themselves are Libra. So it's like a stylization. Amelie: Illegra? Yeah. Lynn: Yeah, Jupiter in Libra. Yeah. Luigi: it's so cool. Amelie: Yeah, I can't really see in the, because I'm holding it, but yeah, that's really cool. What are these? Yeah, these are also. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Luigi: And it's interesting because obviously the eight swords will also be ruled by Jupiter, isn't it? Lynn: Mm. Foreshadowing is is so strong. Luigi: Hmm. Amelie: Should I see a... Luigi: Very mystical. Amelie: Hold on. Where do we have the angels? Yeah, Luigi: are we gonna butcher more names? Amelie: I was about to say, am I butchering them this time or am I not? Luigi: Let's do it! Amelie: I'm looking in the Golden Dawn. I think that they're the same. It says... Are these the angels? Laviah and Kelial. Would that be the angels? Lynn: Yeah, that's angel names. Let me just see whether I have that booklet here. So I can double check. Amelie: Got to take my booklet out. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: We know from the previous episode Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: not to completely trust me to find the right card or the right things. Lynn: That's fine. No, it's correct. Luigi: You Lynn: It's Laviah and Kelial. Yeah. That is true. So you had the right we had the right angels. We had the right angels. Amelie: this time I had the right. Yeah. Luigi: I like the four of swords, definitely a card that I'm always happy to see and I'm always happy when it shows up for clients. I think, you know, even though it might not be the most eventful card, it's one that we can use more often. Lynn: Yeah. It's it's certainly important. I mean like for me I you know, my my everyday is like it's so busy and it's so high pace so that this energy of the four swords is really what I need on an almost daily basis to get back into myself. So it's just this thing, I mean no, like like I was saying earlier that before I got on here. I really just wanted to lay on the ground on my little massage balls and do a whole round to listen to music for half an hour or something and reset my back. And and that's really something that I need and I think everybody does. it's just not everybody realizes to what degree they do. but you know, just going like bang, bang, bang with all like this Fire and every day you get burnt out. So you you you need these little pieces to to restore and maybe come out wiser at the end of a massage ball session than before I went into it, you know? but yeah it's it's certainly a very important energy. it may be under undervalued I think in in some way. Luigi: Mm. Amelie: It's also something Luigi: Yeah. Amelie: that we spoke about in the other episode of wanting to be alone because this dude is, he shut everyone out from the room so he has the whole Lynn: Mm. Amelie: room to himself and he can do whatever he wants to but he decides on just sleeping. Lynn: There's not that many there's not that many sword cards where it's like about solitude. I mean you have the two of swords. I mean some of them I guess. You are alone with your thoughts and your nightmares, right? So I'm not sure how much. but you know, but this being being by yourself in some sort of positive state of mind, you know. it's the two and the four really. And the sixth then you have like with the others. I'm thinking like more Smith related right now. with the images. Amelie: Mm. Lynn: But yeah. Most of the others have to do with other people, like the relation. Although we are in Libra, right? So and Libra is all about relating to other people. Interestingly Luigi: Hmm. Lynn: enough, right? But still the two at least in the images, like in the two swords and the four swords, we are being the person is alone. Kind of an interesting thought, right? Luigi: Yeah, I guess so, because I guess the balancing act, know, the equalizing, I'm probably butchering the verb, but you know, to bring equilibrium in the Libra sense, it could be also in relation to its essence, like how to bring equilibrium between one individual and the other. They're both individuals, but they are they're facing one another, they are interacting and they are reflecting one another perhaps even, who knows. Yeah, that's definitely a topic of interest, both spiritually, psychologically and socially, I suppose. Lynn: Any last words? Luigi: May the four swords bless all of our weeks and bring us all the truths that we need so that our minds can recover and find the drive and the clarity that we seek. Lynn: Before it gets really wild. Amelie: It makes me think of this Michael Jackson song. Heal Luigi: Which one? Amelie: the world, make it a better place. You know, Luigi: Ha ha ha! Lynn: yeah. Hmm. Amelie: that one. Luigi: I thought you were gonna say, we are the world. Lynn: We are the children. Amelie: that one as well. I don't know. It just makes me think of that. Luigi: all over the discography of Michael Jackson. Bless Lynn: Hmm. Luigi: him. Lynn: We have to we make sometimes in these episodes we come up with songs and I'm thinking we should make a playlist. But yeah, you said Michael Jackson, the first thing I was thinking is Billy Jean is not my lover. Amelie: you Luigi: Our minds were in all completely different directions. Lynn: Yeah yeah. Well alright well thank you for stopping by and listening to our episode about the third decan of Libra and the four swords. if you haven't subscribed yet you can do us a favor and click the button below, like subscribe comment and see you again in the next rabbit hole. Good night. Luigi: Good night. Amelie: Good night.