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Soul Rockers Judge Jackson Returns With Chapter One 1995 Thru 2000 Todd McTavish · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when I watch TV,
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  Speaker 1: way up to what whatever's been invented this week? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I do. So why isn't listening the same way?
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  Speaker 1: That's what ero dot net is all about. It is
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  Speaker 1: a network, a r r OE dot net, twenty different choices.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep on exploring. Hello, and good afternoon. How are
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  Speaker 1: you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 3: It's Arrow. It's Todd from Judge Jackson Colin and how.
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  Speaker 1: Are I look at you? Todd? Listen to that energy
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  Speaker 1: you've got too?
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  Speaker 3: My god, justin it's my first cup of coffee in
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  Speaker 3: the morning. We're ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what you And so is this
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  Speaker 1: where you pull that energy from? From all your songs?
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because you
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  Speaker 1: guys do have an energy about you. And I've always
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  Speaker 1: wondered where where are they pulling from in order to
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  Speaker 1: make it happen?
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  Speaker 3: Life?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, life in general. And I think life is what
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  Speaker 2: you make it. And if you want to make it
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  Speaker 2: energetic and vibrant, that's what you're drawn from every day
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  Speaker 2: as a writer.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm drawn from every day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, see, that's That's the thing I like about being
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  Speaker 1: a writer is that if you really do sit back,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to be entertained by. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean turning on your flat screen TV. Life has it
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  Speaker 1: like the entertainment right there in front of you.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's right there in front of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about the individual if they want to jump
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  Speaker 2: on that wave and grab it or not. And as
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  Speaker 2: a writer, you know there's songs, there's melodies in the
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  Speaker 2: air and the wind. You just have to hear it
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  Speaker 2: properly so you can tap into it properly.
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  Speaker 3: So deep what I've always said.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hear it as well? Because I'll be sitting
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  Speaker 1: here in this forest and I swear to God I'm
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  Speaker 1: hearing things, and I'll turn everything down. I'm going, what
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  Speaker 1: am I hearing? And then you can still hear it.
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  Speaker 1: But if you go outside you can't hear it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes silence is deafening, Like sometimes you just need to
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  Speaker 2: tap into that energy.
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  Speaker 3: I've always said that like songs.
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  Speaker 2: That I've written, and I've written hundreds, if not thousands
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  Speaker 2: at this point they write themselves. It's just you as
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  Speaker 2: a trans you know, it's there. You're just translated, so
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  Speaker 2: everybody else can actually hear it.
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  Speaker 3: That's how I've always said. But yeah, it's all out there.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to learn how to tap into it
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  Speaker 3: if you want to.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you're translating it, I mean you're also
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  Speaker 1: bringing in to me another member of the band that
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  Speaker 1: is almost invisible. If people are just you know, just
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  Speaker 1: discovering you, and that's the Junkyard. Is that not part
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  Speaker 1: of your energy and your process of growing forward because
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  Speaker 1: it's a character, is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, the Junkyard had a huge influence
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  Speaker 2: on Judge Jackson and especially in our earlier records that
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  Speaker 2: we did, just the energy that the place had. We
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  Speaker 2: lived there, the guitar player and I actually lived there.
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  Speaker 2: We rehearsed there, we wrote there. The people that you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was one of those places in the neighborhood where
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  Speaker 2: everybody would come and hang out. It was a place
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  Speaker 2: where after we did shows in La everybody would come
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  Speaker 2: to the Junkyard after the show and have an after party.
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  Speaker 3: It was that place.
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  Speaker 2: And so yeah, we just learned to tap into it
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  Speaker 2: and write what we were living. A lot of our
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  Speaker 2: work is just right in front of us, what we
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  Speaker 2: were living, what we were experiencing that point in our lives.
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  Speaker 2: And we were lucky that we found each other as
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  Speaker 2: a band and we were able to document it, tap
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  Speaker 2: into it, record it, and all these years later we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about it and able to play those songs and
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  Speaker 2: relive those, you know, beautiful innocent moments in one's past.
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  Speaker 3: They always look back at and go the good old days.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really the Junkyard years Really were those good
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  Speaker 2: old days to me and to us that were involved
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  Speaker 2: in the in the situation at the time.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a beautiful time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it proves that Laurel Canyon isn't the only collaboration place.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about it is that you're
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  Speaker 1: unveiling area where people can now go on to Google,
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  Speaker 1: they can go on to any place and realize Laurel Kenyon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they had their moment, but you guys at the Junkyard
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  Speaker 1: had your moment as well.
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  Speaker 3: We're one of many that had that moment on Laurel Canyon.
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  Speaker 2: You go back into the sixties with the doors with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those bands. You'll see the reference to
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  Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon Boulevard. Our address was eighty sixty eight Laurel
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  Speaker 2: Canyon Boulevard. We were there, you know, And so it
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  Speaker 2: was just by Fluke quite honestly, but proud and pre
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  Speaker 2: to say we were part of that era, or not
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  Speaker 2: quite the era. We came along back in ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: so after the sixties and seventies obviously, but still that
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  Speaker 2: energy is there to this day. Whatever that energy is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's intoxicating for sure.
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  Speaker 1: What I've got to ask you if you knew my dad,
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  Speaker 1: and the reason why is because your song is called Knucklehead.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that was my dad's were knucklehead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know a lot of dads that are nicknamed knucklehead. Yeah. Knucklehead.
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  Speaker 2: It was born from a brother of mine, of a
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  Speaker 2: motorcyclist that he used to ride his Harley Davidson into
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  Speaker 2: his living room where he would.
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  Speaker 3: Keep it at night.
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  Speaker 2: And one day I was in his house hanging out
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  Speaker 2: and his upstairs was decked out with trees and plants
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  Speaker 2: and a real big garden he had going on. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember stretched out on the couch and you know,
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  Speaker 2: arms on the back of the couch and he goes,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever met my pet Knucklehead. I'm thinking what,
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  Speaker 2: And I look behind me and there's a four foot
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  Speaker 2: iguana stretched out on a tree limp, and he goes,
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  Speaker 2: that's my iguana named Knucklehead. So, after I got over
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  Speaker 2: the shot of this huge alligator lizard that was actually
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  Speaker 2: just lounging behind me, I asked, that's a pretty interesting name,
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, well, if you know anything about motorcycles,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's and basically from a Harley Davidson. The Knucklehead
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  Speaker 2: block was one of the first engines from Harley Davidson.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, and if you know anything about Harley
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  Speaker 2: David's the motorcycles, it's more than a motorcycle, it's a
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  Speaker 2: way of life. And that was where the name Knucklehead
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  Speaker 2: came from. The next day, I actually rented a video
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  Speaker 2: called Hell's Angels Forever, a documentary, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: was like the New York based chapter of the Hell's Angels,
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  Speaker 2: and I watched that and Knucklehead came from that. Writing
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  Speaker 2: a song about kind of the brotherhood of the motorcycle community,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the club Knucklehead, And so it's really a
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  Speaker 2: complementary term. It's not looking at someone derogatorily speaking, but
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  Speaker 2: more of a totally looking up and go we are knuckleheads, like,
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  Speaker 2: we are of that nature and we are.
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  Speaker 3: Of that brotherhood. And if you get it, you get it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So that's really where it comes from. Yeah, it's that whole.
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  Speaker 1: See this proves that you are a writer of all times.
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  Speaker 1: Now are you using an inkpen like I do? Or
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  Speaker 1: are you sitting there and you're putting it inside the smartphone?
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  Speaker 1: How are you saving your lyrics or your ideas even
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  Speaker 1: if it's scatt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. I mean I always write with a pen,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: I'm always writing a notebook. I got dozens of notebooks,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just full of ideas, lyrics. Sometimes now with
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  Speaker 2: the use of these iPhones and whatnot, I'll have a recording,
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  Speaker 2: you know, app on there. And so if I'm trucking
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  Speaker 2: down the road and I come up with a melody,
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  Speaker 2: I'll document that melody real quickly. Bo I always referred
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  Speaker 2: to it and then fill in the words so as
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  Speaker 2: I write them at home and then you know, somehow
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  Speaker 2: memorize them into the head. But yeah, I'm old school, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm old school when it comes to the writing as
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  Speaker 2: far as that goes.
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  Speaker 1: Well. See, I always sit there and wonder what would
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  Speaker 1: Mark Twain do or what would Hank William Senior do
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  Speaker 1: in a situation like this if they had our technology today,
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  Speaker 1: how would it have changed their plan?
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  Speaker 2: I think they still would have been them. I think
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  Speaker 2: you're still coming from that place of you. You know
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  Speaker 2: only you, are you right, So I think you're going
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  Speaker 2: to do it. But I also think that if they
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  Speaker 2: were exposed to the technology we have today, they would
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  Speaker 2: certainly explore it.
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  Speaker 3: They would certainly be curious enough to go hold.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think anybody you have to be open
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  Speaker 2: to what's going on. So even though I'm old school,
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  Speaker 2: I certainly still look at the new technology and explore
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  Speaker 2: it and go what can this well, how can.
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  Speaker 3: I utilist utilize this positively? Without seeding to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you're certainly wanting to stay up on
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  Speaker 2: you know, up on it and see what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, I can talk shit about
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  Speaker 2: technology all day long, but at the same time it's
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  Speaker 2: amazing at the same time what it has brought and
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  Speaker 2: the accessibility that it creates.
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  Speaker 3: For any you know, any writer, or anybody in any
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  Speaker 3: kind of profession. Quite honestly, so it is. It is
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  Speaker 3: interesting technology.
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  Speaker 2: But I think at the end of the day, those
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  Speaker 2: core ideas come from you, come from your soul, come
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  Speaker 2: from your take on whatever you're seeing, whatever you're experiencing,
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  Speaker 2: and how you documented it comfortably is all up to you,
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  Speaker 2: the individual.
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  Speaker 3: There's no real wrong way to do it. I think
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  Speaker 3: the only wrong way to do it is not to
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  Speaker 3: do it.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, please don't move. We'll be right back with Todd mccabash.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up next with Judge Jackson. Judge Jackson is releasing
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  Speaker 1: their music. The first one is Chapter One, nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: five to two thousand. We are back with the one
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  Speaker 1: and only Todd McTavish. You said soul right away, I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god. He's talking about the opening intro of
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  Speaker 1: that song Knucklehead, because it's got so much soul in it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then you jump into some serious
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  Speaker 1: kicking ass on it and it's like, my god, he
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  Speaker 1: shifted gears and boom, he was gone.
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  Speaker 3: Once we get out of the driveway down the road,
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  Speaker 3: let's get it, you know what I mean? So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it was always about for us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I always kind of looked at it, like
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  Speaker 2: when people asked me what Judge Jackson was or is
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  Speaker 2: at the time, I always said, it's like taking led
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  Speaker 2: Zeppelin guns in the attitude of guns n' rolls is
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  Speaker 2: the soul of a Leonard skinnerd If they were all
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  Speaker 2: on their tour buses and crashed at an intersection, Judge Jason.
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  Speaker 3: Rolled out of the rubble. That's kind of how when
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  Speaker 3: I looked at it.
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  Speaker 2: But all three of those kind of kickass acts that
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  Speaker 2: certainly tap into the soul at the same time, but
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  Speaker 2: a little chip on your shoulder at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: But honesty as well, and that was what was always
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  Speaker 2: important to document that honesty with our lives and with
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  Speaker 2: what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this current project has got to be an open
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  Speaker 1: door for future generations when it comes to sound, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what you're doing, even though they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be discovering it for the very first time, it's new
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  Speaker 1: music to them. But there are people that have been
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  Speaker 1: around with you guys. Nineteen ninety five to two thousand
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  Speaker 1: is what chapter one is. But it's still it's if
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  Speaker 1: I go out there and I buy that brand new album.
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  Speaker 1: It's new music to me. I may know it, but
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  Speaker 1: it's brand new music to me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And I get a kick out of the people that
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  Speaker 2: were with us at the time. I've always been That's
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  Speaker 2: one thing about fans, as you know, once a fan,
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  Speaker 2: always a fan.
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  Speaker 3: They're always with you.
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  Speaker 2: They're always when I run into they're always asking me
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  Speaker 2: what am I up to? Hopefully you're still doing something,
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  Speaker 2: and I am. I've you know, took a little time
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  Speaker 2: off there after the guitar player passed away unfortunately, and
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  Speaker 2: just kind of clamped the palette. But I realized something
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  Speaker 2: wasn't right, and what wasn't right about me was stopped
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  Speaker 2: playing music. And once I started tapping back into that again,
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  Speaker 2: the soul started coming to life again. And I'm off
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  Speaker 2: and running as far as that goes, and working on
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  Speaker 2: two new albums in two different situations. That are you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you love Judge Jackson, you're gonna love this stuff
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  Speaker 2: by Todd McTavish and my other band called Tunstall's Ranch,
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  Speaker 2: which are going to be both putting out albums towards
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean it's new to all these new people that are
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  Speaker 2: hearing it going, this is kick ass you. When they
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  Speaker 2: find out we put it out in the nineties, they're
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  Speaker 2: always like, what the fuck where was I? And it
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  Speaker 2: was like, hey man, things come around. You hear it
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  Speaker 2: when you hear it, you know. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about this right now in twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 2: it puts a smile on my face. It makes me
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  Speaker 2: chuckle about that chapter of my life. It was a
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  Speaker 2: lifetime and goal for us older guys, it was like
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  Speaker 2: that happened, but yeah, it did happen. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: beauty about having these songs.
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  Speaker 3: They're still there. You know that I'm in our life.
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  Speaker 2: That timestamp is there on the record and it somehow survived,
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  Speaker 2: and that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: I just wish listeners understood that there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of music out there during that time period that radio
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  Speaker 1: wasn't playing. That's to me, that's when radio got really
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  Speaker 1: super political, and then being a jock on the air,
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  Speaker 1: we got to go digging for it, but we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: play it. But now that you guys are releasing this
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  Speaker 1: and radio is starving for more attention for stuff like this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be shocked if they don't pull
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  Speaker 1: themselves a lot closer to you this time around.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're a as a writer, as
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  Speaker 2: a musician, you're always hoping. So yeah, but I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the time, like the time frame we
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  Speaker 2: came out, as you know, the technological side of things
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  Speaker 2: was happening, there was this shift I think in music
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  Speaker 2: to timing is everything with a band, Like I look
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  Speaker 2: at the Beatles when they came out. I've heard Paul
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  Speaker 2: mccartny say that timing was everything. Elvis Presley when he
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  Speaker 2: came out, time I came out was everything. It was
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  Speaker 2: a perfect time. I think when we came out with
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  Speaker 2: what we were doing was not a perfect time. And
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  Speaker 2: even though we did it and had our own success
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  Speaker 2: on our own measuring stick of scale, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: did it, but I think timing was certainly against us
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  Speaker 2: looking back in retrospect.
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  Speaker 3: But still again, you're going to be yourself.
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  Speaker 2: We were never the kind of guys to try and
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  Speaker 2: jump on a trend or change what we were doing.
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  Speaker 2: We were going to do who we were and that's
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  Speaker 2: what we were, make it or break it or not.
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  Speaker 2: We weren't going to change who we were, and that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of I take pride in that, maybe that stubbornness,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time, that's the honesty of writing.
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  Speaker 3: We were never writing for anybody. We were writing for ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: If anybody liked it, great, but if they didn't, We're
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  Speaker 2: still going to write it.
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  Speaker 3: You know. We were still being ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I thought you can do with that Canadian
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  Speaker 1: blood inside your guys' rooting system. I mean, the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it is Zilla said, you know, I was up
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  Speaker 1: in Montana and I know how much we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: play the Canadian music. I just feel like that you
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  Speaker 1: guys were just it was like I wanted more like
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  Speaker 1: like the group Sheriff. When I'm with you. It was
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  Speaker 1: released at the wrong time, and I feel the same
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  Speaker 1: way about you guys. It was released at the wrong time.
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  Speaker 1: It's because we were ignoring that that style at that
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  Speaker 1: time and we shouldn't be. And that's what I love
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  Speaker 1: about this is that you guys are moving into a whole, whole,
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  Speaker 1: entire area that's been there, but we haven't seen it
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  Speaker 1: until now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're fortunate that it is coming around again in
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  Speaker 2: a capacity and you know, here to like rock it
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  Speaker 2: out here, to like get out there and do some shows.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's still breeding. That monster never went away,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak. It's still alive. We tried to bury it,
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  Speaker 2: but we couldn't and we wouldn't, so we didn't. And
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  Speaker 2: here we are.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, eighteen songs that reintroduce everybody in there.
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  Speaker 2: Me.
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  Speaker 1: So what was that journey like for you to step
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  Speaker 1: back in there? Because there are times I'll go into
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  Speaker 1: my own little catalog and I go, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you become the perfectionists because you
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  Speaker 1: want to go in there and you want to add
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  Speaker 1: something to it or you want to take it away.
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  Speaker 1: How do you keep your hands off stuff like that?
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  Speaker 2: That's certainly human nature with any artist, you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: always gonna want to tinker with things. But I think
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  Speaker 2: in this capacity, JJ Garcia had a lot to do
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  Speaker 2: with spearheading this project for us. It was the drummer
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: for Judge Jackson, and you know, he kind of just
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: would talk to me about what was happening or whatnot,
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: and to a certain degree, I stayed out of it.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: I let them remaster it, I let them like kind
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: of brighten it up a little bit, because at the
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: same time, yeah, my attitude was we did that. It
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: is what it is. Let it be like, put it
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: out there, brighten it up. But I'm not going to
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: reinvent the way. I'm not going to retinker with it.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Let's keep it the way it was. That's what made
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: it special. That's what it is. And let's just put
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: it out there and let it shine.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Let's do a thing. You know. Whatever it does, it does.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: So are you going to take it out on the road?
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna have to because you're gonna have to
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: reteach yourself, are you not?
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: Ah?
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: You know what, probably not, because as far as reteaching myself,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I can hear these tunes to this day and I
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: find myself singing along going I never forgot the lyrics,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: like I never like it. It'll come back to me
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: in two seconds, going, oh yeah. And I think a
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: lot of it is. When I hear some of these
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: songs we did so long ago, it always brings a
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: smile to my face. It's it's every song had its
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: own unique memory in a time that takes me back
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: to that time.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: And I don't have any regrets, you know, so I
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: don't look, I can go I wish we never did
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: that and The only regret I've ever had arrow is
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: the things that I didn't do.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, as long as I did them, whether
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: it passed or failed, that was kind of always secondary
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: It's just follow it through, you know.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: But the biggest regret is having these ideas and then
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: not doing anything about them. That's a regret. So I
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: don't have any regrets about any of these songs. It
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: makes me happy to sing along. And there is a
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: serious possibility we might put something together and take it
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: on the road. I mean, we haven't gotten too far
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: into that at this point, but like I said, I'm
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: working with a couple of projects.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Another member of Judge Jackson is.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Involved in one of them, Wow, And we're open to anything,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: any opportunities that come out. You know, if we're going
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: to obviously explore them, and you know, someone says we'd
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: like you to do a show, I would say, don't
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: you threaten me with a good time? Power where and when?
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: So that's generally my attitude when it comes to playing music.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it's very inspiring to me to see that you
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: that you've got two other projects growing with this, and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: the reason why is because I believe that creativity is
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: every day and that if you are not paying attention
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: to it, it'll turn on you, it'll go screw you.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: No creativity always is there in front of you. And
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a happier camper when I'm tapping
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: into that. And for me, I found myself writing songs
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: like that made me happy. Whatever that outlet was.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I probably saved thousands of dollars in therapy sessions,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: but I just wanted to how to write songs.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So you know, you just always are I writer writes,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: but that's how I look at it. So I mean
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I just continue to write, and all of a sudden
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I had hundreds more new songs and I said, man,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I gotta start recording again.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Let's let's get back to work here. Well, it's just
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: a whole process makes me happy.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Don't you believe that you're rising to the top. I
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: mean they always say that cream rises to the top.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And it's one of those situations that we're going into
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: this this chat GPT grow kind of thing where everybody
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: is going to them for song lyrics and I just
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: think it's candy coded and and so to hear your
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: music coming out here. Even though it came out in
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: ninety five, it's still it's present, it's real, it's going
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: on now, and you can feel the humanism about it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And yeah, no doubt.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And I hear some of that artificial intelligence created music.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing what AI can do in the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: recording process, there's no doubt about it. But when you
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: just let it create it, you hear the lyrics and
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: it's just so cliche. It's you recognize, that's not real.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That's not a human writing that.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And I heard this guy say this years ago, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I always liked it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: He goes, you know, we talked about like drum machines,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and he goes, the one thing about a drum machine.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It's good, it's perfect, but it doesn't have soul as
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a human would have. And I like the soul of people,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and I like the soul. If you're going to write something,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you write it. Don't let a computer write it. I mean,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: that's that's cheating in my opinion, Like you need to
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: write it, you need to figure out what the riff is.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You can utilize it in a recording capability for sure,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: as a tool, But I think still the heart of it,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and the soul of it needs to come from you,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: whoever you are.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah see, I'm that old guy that grew up with
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the tape and when we get those pancakes and stuff
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in there, and then all of a sudden we went
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: into that digital world and it was pro tools, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my god, we're cheating. We're cheating.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: This is not real. You do what you got to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: plug in on that? Oh my god, now we're really cheating.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Oh this is we're lying to our people. Did you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: go through that too, me, because I mean you're right
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: there in the center of that era.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean our third record, this producer came
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to us and said, we're not going to record on tape.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: We're not going to do an analog. We're going to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: use this thing called pro tools. I'll never forget. And
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, what's that. Well, you know, when
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: he starts getting into it, we all kind of looked
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: at each other like a I don't know, I remember
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: him saying, Chris Cornell or Soundgarden just did a record
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: on profools.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Like he kind of sold us with that idea.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But that was the beginning that where we're going back to,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: like two thousand and two, two thousand and three here.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: But I just remember thinking, Ah, but then that's you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: as things evolved, it's the new way. I mean, people
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: do use tape to this degree, but it's such a
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: smaller percentage because it's just not around. It's not as
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: accessible as the computer, the pro tools, the garage bands,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: whatever you know, happy you're using, or whatever technology branch
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you're jumping off of.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: That's just where it's at. So again, I think that
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: is what it is.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I think the creativity needs to come from your soul,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: but I think the recording aspect has evolved to what
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it is that it's just so predominantly there that you're
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: going to tap into a one way or the other
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to help move it along.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: God, I remember this. I remember going up to Reliable
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Music here in Charlotte and getting pancake, and the thing
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: about it is they had to put a limit on
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: me because they said, you got to share it. This
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: is not just for you. And and I remember that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: conversation I had with him because I was buying everything,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because I was putting my radio shows on it, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was doing all these different things because I believe that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that was the answer.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean, and I'm with you. I believe
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it is the answer.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's got to be some limitations,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you know, And if you can't put those limitations on
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it to a certain degree, it's good to have other
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: people that lean over your shoulder and say that's.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Enough, doing too much, doing too much? Where can people
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: go to find out more about everything you're doing from
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Knucklehead all the way up to your other two projects.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly punch in Judge Jackson.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: YouTube going to have a lot of stuff that pops
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: up Judge Jackson. The band my name is Todd McTavish,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm starting to get all that development foundation with
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: what's going to come out or whatnot. The other band
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I'm in is called Tunstall's Ranch and real soon towards
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the end of the year debut album we'll be knocking down.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And if you like anything to do with Judge.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You're gonna love anything to do with Todd McTavish or
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Tunstall's Ranch.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Stay tuned. But in the meantime you had Judge Jackson.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So what is it about tunstalll that's really rocking my
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: world right now? Because I almost feel like that I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: know that word, but I don't know that word. And
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: where did you pull that from? Because I should row it?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Good question. You probably do. You just don't. You're just
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: not aware of it. But I will refresh you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I was the one that named the band, and I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to give it a kind of a Southern Americana feel.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And there was this story, true story that happened back
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: in the late eighteen seventies in New Mexico, and there
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: was a guy named John Tunstall and he had a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: ranch and he was working it, and there was other
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: ranches in the area that did not like John Tonstall
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: because they felt like he was too competitive. They're taking
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: away from what they had going on. In retrospect, that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: was not the case at all. But one day, with
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: his cowboys, with his employees, he was rolling in town
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and those other ranches kind of came up on him
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and murdered him. So a couple of cowboys that were
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: with him saw what had happened, went to the justice
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in the area, told them what had happened. The justice
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: really never did anything, and so they started taking matters
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: into their own hands because they loved John. He gave
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: them a place of employment. She was a great man,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: as it turns out, a great employer, a brother, a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: father figure, and they wanted justice for their boss, so
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: they kind of went about getting it. One of those
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: kids that was there that day was a guy named
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: William Bonnie and the world knows him as Billy the Kid, and.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: They all worked that ranch. So there's there's a connection.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: That's it. God, dude, You've got to come back to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this show anytime in the future. The door is always
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: going to be open for you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I appreciate talking to you today, and I appreciate she
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: ate us talking about music with Yarrow.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you as well, my friends, you as well.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to meet you in person one of
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: these days down the road, I hope.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, come on down to Carolina. It's wide open down here, dude.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: We do music in grocery stores down here. That's in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: God's honest truth.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I love it out there, and we'll make a point
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of getting out there, hopefully sooner than later.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: My friend Hexhallan, thank you so much.