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183. Gisèle Pelicot - To Hell and Back · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to a special bonus episode
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  Speaker 1: of Who Did What Now? The history podcast that is
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  Speaker 1: Not Your History Class for International Women's Day twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: with me, your host, Katie Charlewood, History Harlot, and reader
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  Speaker 1: Oh Books. So this episode is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: little different from what I normally do. So typically I
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  Speaker 1: like to keep things at least twenty five years in
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  Speaker 1: the past, because that's that's a full grown adult, like
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  Speaker 1: that's something. However, as a millennial, I keep living through
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  Speaker 1: many major historical events in which landscapes, nations, and societies
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  Speaker 1: keep changing. And like I very nearly called this episode
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  Speaker 1: like Who's Doing What Now? Just because I am picking
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  Speaker 1: something that's happened within the last five to ten years,
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  Speaker 1: something that I think is very important in a person
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  Speaker 1: who I don't feel we have to wait till she
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  Speaker 1: dies in order for us to talk about her. If
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  Speaker 1: you are listening to this on day of release, it
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  Speaker 1: is International Women's Day, and this is during Women's History months. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about some more light and fluffy
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  Speaker 1: things near the end of the month because we're going
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  Speaker 1: to need that. But right now, I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about someone who could have very easily just crumpled hidden
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  Speaker 1: and allowed the world to overlook what happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: And it really shines a light on how society is
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  Speaker 1: right now, how easy this is, and the challenges we've
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  Speaker 1: faced together. Now, this is going to be difficult for
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  Speaker 1: some of you to hear. I am going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about abuse, sexual assault, rape, just so many horrible,
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  Speaker 1: vile things, murder. It's going to be awful. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be unpleasant, and it's not going to be easy
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  Speaker 1: for any of us. If you are in any way sensitive,
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  Speaker 1: feel free to skip away, exit stage left, and I
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  Speaker 1: will see you next time. But for now, if you're
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  Speaker 1: with me, I am going to quit much of al
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  Speaker 1: Jabba and get my source on. Our sources are A
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  Speaker 1: Hymn to Life by Joselle Pilico, Lges, Debile Baba by
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  Speaker 1: Caroline Dorian Prose de Ville Demisan, Jean Pierre's his Big
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  Speaker 1: comp Dominique Plico by Esther Basinger, Sisterhood at France's mass
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  Speaker 1: rep Trial by Diane de Vignemont. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: have so many articles here. I have from Mandra, I
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  Speaker 1: have BBC, The Guardian, The New York Times, there are
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  Speaker 1: so many articles about this that you just need to
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  Speaker 1: type in the Pilico reptril and you will find information.
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  Speaker 1: But I always wanted to try and keep as close
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  Speaker 1: to the source as possible, which is why my main
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  Speaker 1: sources for this were both Gazelle's book and Caroline's book.
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  Speaker 1: Now I use it in Comfortably Good. Then let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: Gizelle Pellico was going through her usual nightly routine, setting
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  Speaker 1: the table for breakfast the next morning, laying out cups, saucers,
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  Speaker 1: other resorted crockery, her amazement plats, everything in its place.
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  Speaker 1: She never liked the idea of rushing around in the
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  Speaker 1: dark morning searching for the breakfast accoutrements, preferring instead to
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  Speaker 1: start the day relaxed and organized. She carefully laid out
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  Speaker 1: clothes for the next day for her husband of nearly
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  Speaker 1: five decades, Dominique, a pair of trousers and a pink
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  Speaker 1: top that their children had got him as a present.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty eight year old Giselle liked being organized. She liked order,
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  Speaker 1: especially with everything that had been happening to her lately.
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  Speaker 1: She had been having a range of health concerns, memory issues,
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  Speaker 1: and just so much more, and the order had helped
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  Speaker 1: center her. On the morning of the second of November
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, she and her husband, Dominique, had breakfast together
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  Speaker 1: in their little yellow retirement bungalow. Then they went into
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  Speaker 1: her car together and he drove them to the caprentrapolice
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  Speaker 1: station in Avenue. Joselle thought that the worst part of
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  Speaker 1: her day was her husband picking a jacket that absolutely
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  Speaker 1: did not match the outfit that she had put together
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  Speaker 1: for him. She told him so and he shrugged as
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  Speaker 1: they walked out. You see, she thought that she was
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to the police as a formality, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: as support for her husband's crime from two months previous,
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  Speaker 1: Back on the twelveth of September, when Giselle was away
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  Speaker 1: visiting their daughter and grandchildren, Dominique had been caught upskirting
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  Speaker 1: three women in the Le Clerk supermarket. Each one lodged
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  Speaker 1: a complaint and Dominique was taken in. When she had
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  Speaker 1: returned home from her visit, he broke down sobbing about
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  Speaker 1: how he couldn't lose her. She was told of her
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  Speaker 1: husband's actions. Well, he told her of his actions, and
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  Speaker 1: naturally she wasn't happy about it. But to her this
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  Speaker 1: situation could have been much worse. They had had some
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  Speaker 1: trials and tribulations in their marriage and for Gaselle, Marge
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  Speaker 1: was hard work and they had to work through it together.
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  Speaker 1: On top of this, she knew what her husband had
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  Speaker 1: gone through as a child, the challenges he faced growing up,
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  Speaker 1: and she wanted to be there for him. She was calm, orderly,
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  Speaker 1: and she told her husband, comforting him, letting him know
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't going to abandon him, and she stated
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  Speaker 1: in no uncertain terms that he was going to have
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  Speaker 1: to apologize to each of the women that he had upskirted,
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  Speaker 1: and that he was going to go to therapy. She
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  Speaker 1: made it absolutely clear that if this ever happened again,
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  Speaker 1: that she would leave him, but for now she was
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  Speaker 1: going to support her husband. And today the police had
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  Speaker 1: specifically asked for her to come to the station with Dominique.
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  Speaker 1: Naturally she would husband. They'd been together since they were teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: He was a good man, and he had been really
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  Speaker 1: taking care of her and her declining health in these
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  Speaker 1: recent years since their retirement. He had been there for her,
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  Speaker 1: and she wanted to be there for him. COVID precautions
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  Speaker 1: were in full swing at the police station. The couple
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  Speaker 1: put on their little blue face masks and made their
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  Speaker 1: way inside. At the station, they were separated. Dominique was
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  Speaker 1: taken first. Soon after, the gendarme came for her too.
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  Speaker 1: They led her into Deputy Sergeant Pirette's room, where she
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  Speaker 1: expected to join her husband, but he wasn't there. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: she was sat opposite Piraut, who seemed calm but cautious.
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  Speaker 1: There was a sense of unease in the air, and
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  Speaker 1: Giselle didn't know what she was expecting to be asked,
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  Speaker 1: but the questions coming out of the sergeant's mouth where odd.
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  Speaker 1: She was far enough away that she could take off
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  Speaker 1: her mask and perot. He started asking her some very
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  Speaker 1: specific and to her bizarre questions like did she have friends?
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  Speaker 1: Did they often invite people over? What was their nighttime routine?
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  Speaker 1: Did she and her husband go to bed at the
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  Speaker 1: same time? Did she take a lot of naps? How
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  Speaker 1: did she feel when she woke up? They asked her
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  Speaker 1: about Dominique's personality. They asked personal questions, very intimate questions
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  Speaker 1: about her love life with her husband, like how often
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  Speaker 1: did they have sex? Then a question so absurd it
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  Speaker 1: shocked Giselle to hear it. They asked the sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: old grandmother sitting at the table if she was into swinging.
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  Speaker 1: The word no came out of her mouth, sharp and resolute.
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  Speaker 1: For Gazelle, this was a preposterous question for her. There
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  Speaker 1: was no other man for her than her husband, she
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  Speaker 1: clearly informed them. For sex, there must be love. The
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  Speaker 1: man seemed to hold his breath before showing her a photo,
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  Speaker 1: then another, then another, photos of a woman in black
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  Speaker 1: suspenders and risquale lingerie, a woman with a man on
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  Speaker 1: top of her behind her. Photo after photo. Gazelle couldn't
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  Speaker 1: understand why they were showing her these photos of this woman.
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  Speaker 1: She couldn't quite process what was happening. She noticed things
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  Speaker 1: in the pictures. She recognized her bed, her nightstand, her lamp,
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  Speaker 1: her bedroom. She didn't recognize this woman with her bodies sunken,
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  Speaker 1: her face almost melted into the bedding, limp restrained. Then
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  Speaker 1: she did the unconscious woman in the pictures in her bed,
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  Speaker 1: in her bedroom was her. She was being shown a
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  Speaker 1: photo of her, unconscious with a stranger in her bedroom
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  Speaker 1: raping her. Before she could really grasp what was happening,
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  Speaker 1: the police kept putting photo after photo in front of her,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of them. Photos of men she did not recognize,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of photos of men's assaulting her as she lay there,
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  Speaker 1: limp and lifeless. Out of the eighty three men in
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  Speaker 1: these pictures, Gaselle only recognized two of them, a neighbor
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  Speaker 1: who she would say hello when she met him in
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  Speaker 1: town or have a chat in passing, as one does.
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  Speaker 1: The other man was her husband of nearly fifty years,
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  Speaker 1: Dominique Pilico. Here she was head swirling, heart racing as
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  Speaker 1: her world came crumbling down around her, the life she
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  Speaker 1: built with her husband for half a century, as she
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  Speaker 1: was faced with the mounting evidence of abuse and assault
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  Speaker 1: that she had suffered, all unbeknownst to her. The police
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  Speaker 1: asked her if she wanted to press charges, and she
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  Speaker 1: blotted out yes. Before she even fully took in the question,
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  Speaker 1: the police took a strand of her hair. She signed
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  Speaker 1: a statement acknowledging that she was a victim of assault,
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  Speaker 1: outwardly agreeing to what was happening around her will Inside,
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  Speaker 1: she was in disbelief. She kept thinking that this couldn't
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  Speaker 1: be happening. This wasn't happening to her, This was not real,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately for Chazelle, this was just the tip of
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  Speaker 1: the iceberg. The depravity of the man that she thought
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  Speaker 1: she knew would reach even more harrowing depths. Gazelle was
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  Speaker 1: born Gazelle Marie Gailloux on the seventh of December nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty two in Veningen, Germany, to Eve Gailloux, is soldier
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  Speaker 1: in the French Army, and Jeanne Port. She was the
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  Speaker 1: second child of the couple, with an older brother, Michel.
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  Speaker 1: Her father had fought in the Second World War and
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  Speaker 1: after was stationed in Germany at the time of Joselle's birth.
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  Speaker 1: They returned to France when she was five to the Indre.
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  Speaker 1: While others were moving out of the countryside, the Guillou's
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  Speaker 1: they were relocating to it. Most migration was from the
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  Speaker 1: cities and out to suburbia, but the family moved to
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  Speaker 1: be close to her maternal grandparents and aunts and uncles.
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  Speaker 1: Her father, being a military man, was way more often
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  Speaker 1: than he was home her papa, but her papa he
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  Speaker 1: loved his wife. Giselle would lose her mother when she
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  Speaker 1: was nine years old. It was discovered that Jeanne had
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  Speaker 1: cancer at twenty eight, a brain tumor. Jazelle's mother was
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  Speaker 1: a source of constant joy in the guillous lives, always
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  Speaker 1: wearing a smile, determined to fight the melancholy and tragedy
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  Speaker 1: around her. Over time, she weakened, she got smaller and thinner,
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  Speaker 1: but she would always try and bring light into the world.
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  Speaker 1: Her breasts had basically disappeared, and so she would put
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  Speaker 1: oranges under her blouse to make her sister and told
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  Speaker 1: her laugh. She never cried, not once in front of
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  Speaker 1: her children, something that stayed with Chazelle. The cancer spread,
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  Speaker 1: eating await her until she died at age thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: Her father, he had returned home when his wife's health
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  Speaker 1: was declining. He was there when she passed. Jazelle's mother
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  Speaker 1: died with her eyes open, and so her father closed them.
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  Speaker 1: Chazelle was nine. She thought her mother was asleep, and
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  Speaker 1: she grabbed her by the shoulders and shook her, trying
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  Speaker 1: to wake her up, but she was gone. Her father
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  Speaker 1: broke down. He was not a man prone to tears,
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  Speaker 1: often strong, often stoic, but now with the love of
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  Speaker 1: his life her loss, he cried the kind of gut wrenching, guttural,
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  Speaker 1: ugly cry when you lose someone who is so important
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  Speaker 1: to you. He was in pain, he was in sorrow,
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  Speaker 1: and her brother too. He was also struggling with her
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  Speaker 1: mother's death, and so Joselle, at the tender age of nine,
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  Speaker 1: decided that she had to be strong to be there
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  Speaker 1: for them and to comfort them. See this was not
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  Speaker 1: the first death in Joselle's childhood. Her younger cousin had
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  Speaker 1: died previously after a severe scolding accident, after which her
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  Speaker 1: grandmother adorned mourning garb, wearing black for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: her life. Life with her grandparents peasants from the andree
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  Speaker 1: A childhood spent chasing after a wheel barrow with her
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  Speaker 1: aunt and her cousins just across a meadow. This was
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  Speaker 1: all things considered a happy childhood, and after the war
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  Speaker 1: in Algeria Eve's garieu he would take a job with
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  Speaker 1: the war ministry in Paris, and so she would leave
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  Speaker 1: their home in the shadow of the Chateau d'as le ferent.
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  Speaker 1: Her father would eventually remarry when Giselle was twelve. Jaselle
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  Speaker 1: and her brother Michele, they did not go to the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: In fairness, her father didn't let them go to weddings
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  Speaker 1: or funerals. He did not want his children to witness
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  Speaker 1: that coffin going in the ground, and he did not
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  Speaker 1: want them to witness him getting married, so he married
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  Speaker 1: a widow, Marie Josephine, and Gazelle she would not go
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  Speaker 1: on with her stepmother. She found her strict, harsh, and cruel.
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  Speaker 1: Now this led to tensions in their home because growing
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  Speaker 1: up she never received a compliment from her stepmother, who
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  Speaker 1: kept telling her that she was fat and looked like
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  Speaker 1: a cart horse while her own daughter was a race horse.
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  Speaker 1: She would hide butter in coffee so that Michele and
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  Speaker 1: Gizelle could not have any like she was an almond
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  Speaker 1: mom before amon mom existed. She would hide apples in
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  Speaker 1: the washing machine. Who hides apples in a washing machine?
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  Speaker 1: She complained they were too fat and they needed to
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  Speaker 1: eat less. And then she made sure that they always
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  Speaker 1: ate their lunch at the cafeteria at their school. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't want them coming home for lunch. She made them
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  Speaker 1: stay way. She would also do like we need sneaky
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  Speaker 1: sleek at abusive things like turn off the hot water
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  Speaker 1: when Gazelle was in the middle of washing her hair,
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  Speaker 1: like they said that you know, oh, they were wasting
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  Speaker 1: so much money, and she was in there for too long.
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  Speaker 1: But like when you're used to having to boil your
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  Speaker 1: water to wash your hair, you know I say boil
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  Speaker 1: water when you put the boiler on right, you know
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  Speaker 1: that you have a limited amount of time, and so
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  Speaker 1: you get good at cleaning yourself quickly. Is someone who
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  Speaker 1: used to live in a little cottage, I can assure
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  Speaker 1: you I can have a three minute shower. I can
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  Speaker 1: also have a thirty minute shower. Like listen, sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: just want to come out prune. Okay. But for Gazelle,
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  Speaker 1: the last time she spent with her stepmother the better,
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  Speaker 1: and so she descended that during the school holidays she
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  Speaker 1: would get a job. So at fourteen she worked in
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  Speaker 1: a factory in Millimonte, assembling phone cases, so like telephone
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  Speaker 1: cases for actual big telephones like solid ones. Will her
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  Speaker 1: brother assembled funeral wraiths. At sixteen, she was nannying for
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  Speaker 1: a wealthy family, a French mother American father, and they
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  Speaker 1: lived on the Boulevard de General coni A Nui Sarceine,
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  Speaker 1: and so she was there during the school breaks. The
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  Speaker 1: family were so impressed with Gaselle and the way that
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  Speaker 1: she cared for their daughter that they wanted to take
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  Speaker 1: her on full time and so they offered her a
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  Speaker 1: full time position with them. This would involve having to
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  Speaker 1: travel with them to their various homes in Paris, Hong Kong, Honolulu, Hawaii,
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  Speaker 1: sorry Honolulu in Hawaii, and her father just refused to
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  Speaker 1: let her go. Was he being protective? Was he worried
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  Speaker 1: that this oper life was going to be dangerous for
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  Speaker 1: her or did he just want to keep her close?
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  Speaker 1: So either way, he put the kaibosh on this adventure.
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  Speaker 1: And this this was a turning point for Gazelle. She
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  Speaker 1: had been prevented from traveling. Her stepmother was demanding three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty francs for room and board and that
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  Speaker 1: was a month. Now, Now that she was earning a
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  Speaker 1: little money, and so Gazelle decided that she was going
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  Speaker 1: to leave school altogether and work full time and gain
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  Speaker 1: her independence. Gazelle managed to get a jaw working as
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  Speaker 1: a secretary at a printing press that made bank checks,
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  Speaker 1: and when she was nineteen and nineteen seventy one, she
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  Speaker 1: returned to the indret to visit her aunt. And that
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  Speaker 1: is where she met at the shy boy with long
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  Speaker 1: curly hair and a Bretzon sweater, and he was working
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  Speaker 1: for them for Gazelle. This was love at first sight.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike the boys of Paris, he had no airs or graces,
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  Speaker 1: and he was at her aunt Andrea's more often than
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  Speaker 1: he was at his own home. He stayed for dinner
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  Speaker 1: and that was it for her. Over the coming months,
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  Speaker 1: she would visit nearly every weekend to be with him.
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  Speaker 1: She would come back with assorted clonognes and swearers from Paris,
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  Speaker 1: and they courted for nine months before they slept together
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. Chaselle never wanted to rush into
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  Speaker 1: a sexual relationship because for Gazelle, for sex, there must
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  Speaker 1: be love. Now. He was a bit more ready to
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  Speaker 1: go than she was, but he didn't pressure her. He
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  Speaker 1: waited until she was ready, which shocked her when she
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  Speaker 1: looked back after everything that would come to light about him.
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  Speaker 1: Two years after they first met Dominicuan, Gazelle wed and Jazelle,
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  Speaker 1: like was the norm of the time, took her husband's
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  Speaker 1: surname and became Gazelle Bilico. They married in April nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy three and moved to Renois, near Paris. They would
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  Speaker 1: go on to have three children together, David, Caroline, and Florian.
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  Speaker 1: The Pelico children would go on to say that for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, their childhoods were normal, and that Dominique
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  Speaker 1: was a doting father who loved his wife and kids.
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  Speaker 1: But it's easy to look back at her home life
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  Speaker 1: and see it more idyllic than it actually was. Both
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  Speaker 1: Pellicoe parents worked, Although Gazelle certainly had more stable employment
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  Speaker 1: than her husband. She took him off to raise the children,
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  Speaker 1: the first two so David and Caroline, but financially she
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  Speaker 1: needed to work to keep them afloat a logistics manager,
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  Speaker 1: a bookkeeper upgrading to HR something that fitted her stellar
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  Speaker 1: organizational skills. In management, she would train an upskill, sometimes treading,
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  Speaker 1: just to keep their heads above water. When Florian was born,
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't afford to take time off work to raise
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  Speaker 1: him other than her maternity leave. When it was over,
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  Speaker 1: she went straight back into the office. Meanwhile, Dominique seemed
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  Speaker 1: to bounce from job to job. He tried his hand
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  Speaker 1: at being a real estate agent, but he was not
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  Speaker 1: a very good one. He had trained as an electrician.
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  Speaker 1: He was always good with gismo's and gadgets, so he
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  Speaker 1: was at that for a bit before joining the EDF
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  Speaker 1: as a salesman. So Gazelle also worked for DF and
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  Speaker 1: he's there for a while. And this didn't last too
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  Speaker 1: long either. He ended up starting his own company, which
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  Speaker 1: shockingly went bankrupt. Gazelle effectively is not only the breadwinner
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for the family, but she is the one keeping everything
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in play. She is basically balancing her books. She's being
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: frugal to ensure that they can survive. Like She didn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: want her children to go through the same poverty that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they were struggling with, and so she ensured that they
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: went to a private school, and this was costing a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pretty penny, but they did without in order to make
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: sure that their children had a better life. Gizelle was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the only one with a kincier job, and Dominique's terrible
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: financial skills resulted in bailiff's showing up at the house
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: with the police to remove every piece of furniture except
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: from the children's beds. Caroline would have been I think
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: twelve when this's happened. The financial stress, while it put
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: pressure on their marriage, Dominique's debts forced them to struggle
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: in Giselle staying by her husband's side through these financial
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: difficulties showed the couple to be stronger together, with friends
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and family commenting on just how great their marriage was. However,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the children did mention that at least once in their
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: formative years that they saw their father act violently towards
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: their mother, grabbing her by her shirt collar and pinning
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: her against a wall. This fleeting moment of violence Ascidy
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Joselle completely trusted her husband. He was the love of
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: her life since she was nineteen. He took the kids
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to school and picked them up to dance classes. He
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: helped them through times of strife, emotional turmoil. He was involved,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: He was communicating, He was open. He was involved to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the outside world, even from them from the inside when
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they were loving it to him, to them, he was
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a good father. He was a good man. As time
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: went on, Giselle and Dominique became grandparents. They spoke to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: their children and grandchildren all the time they visited. They
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: played football and cycled. When the Pelicos retired in twenty thirteen,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they moved south to the town of Mazan in Provence.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It was no surprise that whenever the schooldays rolled around
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that the Pilico children and grandchildren would migrate to this
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: beautiful area to spend time together. Family time for sure,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but also the poll that they would get their strokes in.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: They would have dancing competitions and play board games like
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Trivial Pursuit. Then, of course there were the pretty lavender
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: field which may or may not be full of very
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: itchy beasties, the Marche gardain, and of course the fete
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that would run in the summer. It was idyllic. These cherished,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: happy memories of their lives would be referred to as
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a comedy of tranquility by Gaselle and Dominique's daughter Caroline.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Looking back on those happy memories, they're all tinted now.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Three years before the couple's relocation to Provence, Dominique was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: arrested in a supermarket for upskirting women. Yes this happened before.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: He had been caught filming under women and girls skirts
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: with a pen camera by security guards. The police find
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Dominique a grand total of one hundred euro and sent
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: him on his way. Not quite. They did take a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sample of his DNA, which was dandal procedure, and then
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they let him go. Gazelle saw this act as a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: blip in their marriage, something to work on and get over.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to tell the children. She didn't want
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: them to to suffer through this or be embarrassed. And
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: so she decided that they were going to work through this.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: He was going to go to therapy and you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: get better was the goal, you know. And she knew
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: what Gazelle had gone through in his life, in his childhood,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and it made it easy for her to rationalize his actions.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I think at that point, in comparison to her childhood,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Dominique Pilico's childhood was bleak. Jaselle grew up surrounded by
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: love and compassion, whereas Dominique didn't have that same affection
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in his household. When she lost a mother at nine
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: years old, her family were there for her. When Dominic
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was nine, he had been assaulted by a male nurse
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: when he was in hospital. On top of this, his
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: family dynamics were not pleasant. His mother, Juliet, was originally
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: married to his uncle Andrea, who just abandoned her one
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: day before their divorce was finalized. She was already in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a relationship with Andrea's younger brother, Dennis Pellico, who was
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: ten years old. Junior Deniy was aggressive and loud. Dominique's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: brother Joel was away training in medicine. Meanwhile, Dominique was
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: seen as a lowly electrician. Their half sister, Genevieve, had
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: gotten married and left that house as soon as she could.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The house was cramped. One bedroom was for Dominique's grandfather,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a war veteran suffering from Parkinson's. Dominique shared a room
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: with Nicole, a ward from the state that had learning difficulties.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: She was brought into the household when she was five
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: years old. Denie and Juliette would sleep in the living room.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Joel and Dominique had tried to get Nicole taken out
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of their family's care and brought so we're safer. They
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: tried to get social services or the French equivalent, to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: get her away for her own safety because for years
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Deny Perico, their father, had been sexually assaulting the girl.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: After the death of juliet the fifty eight year old
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Dennis would officially announce his relationship with twenty eight year
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: old Nicole, the girl he was responsible for since she
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: was five years old, The girl who, when Giselle met
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: her for the very first time, was still holding on
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to a teddy bear. Jazelle's childhood was a happy one
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: in the countryside, so it doesn't seem like much of
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a stretch to think that a move to the Picturesque
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Provence was for her benefit so that her final years
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: could be as joyful as her early ones. But this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: move was very much Dominique's idea and did put around
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: four hundred miles that's about six hundred and forty three
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: kilometers between the couple and their children. Before picking this spot,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: he had suggested other rural areas, but Gazelle was determined
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to have access to a train, especially a high speed
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: train that could get her to and from the children
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and grandchildren so easy travel. They had been working from
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: young ages since they were teenagers, and so Gazelle thought
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that this this was going to be the time of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: their lives, that they were going to relax and enjoy
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: their sunset years. But not long after the move to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Mazin and Avignon, Gazelle's health took a turn for the worse.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: She had always been very particular about her health and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: well being. She didn't smoke, nor did she over indulge
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: when it came to alcohol. She wasn't a big drinker.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Now she did like keeping fit and going for walks,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: especially with her bulldog, Lancon. That's what a la compain
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: is for, was it not. She was in her sixties
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: now and she was having bouts of memory loss. Entire
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: conversations are days lost. She would forget conversations that she
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: had with her children. She spoke on the telephone often
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to them, so she didn't know if she'd said goodbye
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to them, what they talked about. She forgot films that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: she had watched the night before. One day, she woke
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: up with a haircut. Panicked, she raced to see her hairdresser,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: who informed her that she had been there the day
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: before and she didn't remember any of it. Her hairdresser
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: was actually very glad to see her, because she said
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that when she was cutting Gazelle's hair that she seemed
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to be blank, like, staring forward, not quite with it,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and she was glad to see that she was okay.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Gazelle's mother died from a brain tumor, and so this
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was Gazelle's first thought. Her initial wave of fear was
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: she going to waste away and die a cormomo, leaving
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: behind devastated children and her husband. Perhaps it was Alzheimer's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: or dementia conditions that were being highlighted more than ever.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Gazelle was terrified that she was losing her mind, she
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: was losing time, and Dominique he was there for her
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: throughout this ordeal. He made the appointments for her, the scans,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the screens, and he held her hand through all of it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Each scan came up clear, no tumor in her brain,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: no shadows on the X ray. The bouts of amnesia, though,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: were only one issue. She was exhausted, as if suffering
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: from chronic fatigue. One of her arms stopped working properly,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: she would just lose control of it. Then there were
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: urinary and gynecological issues. Her bladder would just empty without warning.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: She'd wake up in the morning her pajamas soaked, or
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: she would suddenly get a feeling like her waters had broken.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: She'd been through that experience three times before, so she
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: knew what that was like. She was getting other pains
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and so she was visiting neurologists and gynecologists and at
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: one point she had an inflamed cervix and they wanted
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to just stop having sex. Joselle felt that she and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: her husband had a healthy sex life, nothing too much
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: better than most couples that had been together for five decades.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: They were intimate five maybe six times month, always initiated
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: by Dominique. He always had a higher sex drive than
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: she did, and that was normal to her. Men were
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: more carnally inclined than women. To her, how things were,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he always respected her boundaries. If there was something she
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do, he wouldn't badge or pest her,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and no was a no. So when the kind ecological
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: issues started that she had no explanation for, Dominique accused
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: her of having an affair. She vehemently denied it. The
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: couple had both had romantic galliances in the past. They
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: had affairs, they were brief, and they were decades before.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: But with her blackouts and memory problems, she really had
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to question had she slept with someone else. Had she
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: done it and not remembered. One night, she awoke to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: find Dominique having sex with her. He told her that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he thought she was awakened to just go back to sleep.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: At the time, she wrote it off as just another
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: memory blackout incident. Trusted her husband. It never really occurred
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to her that anything nefarious was going on. Her children
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: were becoming concerned. Her scans led no clothes as to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: what had been happening to her. In twenty eighteen, Florian,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: her youngest, was visiting his parents when he saw it
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: happen right in front of him. No sooner had Chazelle
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: sat down to dinner than both her elbows gave way
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and her body hung there like a rag doll, staring
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: blankly as though in a trance. Florian and surprisingly freaks out.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: He's worried about his mummo Dominique's concerned too, but tells
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: his son that this happened from time to time when
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: she had too much activity. So not only is he's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of brushing it off dismissing it, but he's blaming this
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: whole incident on Florian and his family being around and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: draining Gazelle of energy. He suggested they put her to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: bed and that she'd be well in the morning, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Dominique was a little worried, so he was drying to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: knock her out. He had just given her a dose
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that kicked in way too early. The following year, Jaselle
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: was so concerned by these amnesiaic bursts that she stopped driving.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Worried she'd be a danger on the road. She stopped
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: taking the train by herself because she was afraid she'd
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: miss hers stop. Dominique became her chauffeur, driving her to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: all of her appointments. He's playing the part of the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: doting husband, her rock. From an outside perspective, he's so
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: considerate and caring. But what he's doing here is he's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: isolating her, which brings us to the upskirting incident in
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: September twenty twenty, when Gizelle is on the ildelous An
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Island on the Atlantic off the coast of France, where
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: her daughter Caroline and son in Lapierre had a holiday home.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: She often went to help look after her grandchildren during
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the breaks from school. She was mamin U the trail Grandma.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: That weekend, she had been helping with her grandson Maxim
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: when she got a call from Dominique sounding agitated. He
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: said he'd lost his mobile phone and he had to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: get a new code to activate one. It was sent
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to her mobile and he needed it. She obliged, confused
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: by his sudden disarray. In mid October, the following month,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: she had visited her son David and his wife Selene.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: He was due to undergo minor surgery and so she
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: was there to look after grandson Nathan and her granddaughters,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the twins Clements and Chalise. It was here that she
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: received a phone call from the Capentra Police. They wanted
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to interview her. She informed them that she will be
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: back on October twenty first, but they bluntly informed her
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that they would have to see her on November second.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: She thought it was odd that the police wanted to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: interview her. Her husband had made a foolish mistake, one
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that he was going to make up for and apologize
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and go to therapy. Little did she know that in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: less than a month, she would be shown hundreds of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: photographs evidence of the abuse perpetrated by her husband and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: strangers that he invited into their home over the last
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: ten years. After that day at the police station, she
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was told that she shouldn't be alone. An officer drove
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: her to her house, the yellow provincial single story home
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that she was planning to spend her retirement years in,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and she was on autopilot. She washed Dominique's pajamas and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: put them on the clothes line to dry. She ported
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: about cleaning, tidying, just keeping herself busy, having to keep
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: herself busy until her neighbor, Sylvie, came around just to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: be with her. The police officer had returned later to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: make sure that there was someone with her. He seemed relieved. However,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that was not the only reason for the visit. Needed
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: another sample of her hair. The police required more strands
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of her hair to test for chemicals. Basically, hair can
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: show if you have been receiving drugs for a long
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: period of time, and they would show and it would
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: come out in court. One by one. Gazelle called her children.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: This was news that she wanted to break herself. She
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: was concerned about telling her daughter. Caroline, the middle child,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: was what Gazelle referred to as highly strung. Where Gazelle
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: was composed and reserved, Caroline was the opposite. Her emotions
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: came to the surface and she had a temper. She
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: made sure Pierre was with her when she told her
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: what had happened to her. Sylvie's husband, unaware of what
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do was in this situation, had
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: brought over a bottle of champagne and put it in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the fridge just in case. Not much of a drinker,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: but Gazelle polished off that glass of champagne. For once
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: she needed it. She spoke to her children, explaining that
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: their father drugged her, raped her, and helped others rape her,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and that he was taken by police. David, her eldest son,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: only responded with I have to go, mamma. She found
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: out later that he had hung up and vomited. Caroline
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: screamed a shriek. She said it was like the howl
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: of a wounded animal. Florian, the youngest, was calm asking
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: how and where she was. Giselle told him that she
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: was staying in Sylvie's guest room, that she wasn't alone,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and once he hung up the phone, Florian collapsed in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: shock in Sylvie's guest room. Gazelle could not sleep, rest
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: was not on the agenda, and her three children and
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: kept calling, checking in worried every fifteen minutes. It was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: during one of those calls that Caroline said to her
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: mother that the memory lapses, the blackouts, they must be
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: connected to the assaults, something that Chazelle had not put
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: together yet. When Dominique had been caught taking photos under
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: women's skirts in the Laclerk supermarket, because this was a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: repeat offense, the police had seized his phone and computer,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: upon which they found over twenty thousand images and videos,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: all of which had been neatly organized in a file
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: labeled abuse. While Gazelle was trying to piece together the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: fragments of her life, the police were working on identifying
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the eighty three men that were in the photos. It
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: didn't take them long to discover just how exactly Dominique
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: found these men. He was a frequent flyer, if you will,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of the Absolute Trash Fire Seventh Ring of Hell website
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Cocoa f a site that was eventually shut down in
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: June twenty twenty four thanks to a combined task force
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: from Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania and the Netherlands. It
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: was basically a chats out without registration or moderation. All
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you had to do was put in your age, gender,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: good Bostel, and a nickname. It was a fan of
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: predators used to coordinate homophobic attacks, gang rapes, racist attacks,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: child sexual abuse, connected to over twenty thousand police cases
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and judicial proceedings. Dominique under the pseudonym Mark Dorian. His
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: favorite forum was assans and Suites, which translates to without
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: her knowing. On this forum, men would share stories about
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this incredibly specific form of sexual abuse, drug facilitated sexual assault,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and domestic chemical submission. They bragged about how they drugged
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and raped their and Dominique Pelago was posting on this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: forum as early as July twenty eleven, two years before
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: they moved to Masan. He posted openly about how much
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: he enjoyed what he called rape mode. He waxed on
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: about how he drugged his wife with sleeping pills and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: he would do all the things that she would never
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: have agreed to. He would film these assaults and post
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: them on the forum. How long had he been practicing
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to get the mix in dose right, because that's not
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a first time thing. He would mix sleeping pills with axelotics,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: anti anxiety meds in the house they would later find viagra, zobodem,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and laurazepam. He would also ensure that he mixed in
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit of muscle relaxant. He made sure to
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: give it to her the day after the attacks. I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: have a theory that he mixed in a little bit
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: with everything anyway, just to ensure that she didn't have
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: internal bruising. He tried out different combinations over the yells,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and he hid them in the garage in boots and socks,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of pills. He ordered four hundred and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: fifty pills in one year, Like how did this not
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: raise any flax? Gaselle remember occasions where Monsieur Pinicle gave
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: her a drink that was odd, like a cocktail with
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a weird test or a beer that was glowing green.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: When she commented on them being weird, he would just
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: dump them down the sink. His favorite concoction he would
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: crush and mix into her mashed potato, her coffee, her
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: glass of wine, carefully tailoring the amounts to give the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: desired effect without too many side effects. It's no surprise
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that when Gazelle was well and truly through the menopause,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that this starts escalating. They moved to Mazan. He drugs her,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: he rapes her, and then offers to let other men
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: rape his drug induced comato's wife. He'd contact them through
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the forum and then make arrangements vias skipe. He'd tell
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: them to wait in a school car park near by
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: until sending them they all clear. They would come to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: his house and dress in the kitchen as to not
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: leave any clothes in the bedroom. They couldn't wear after
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: shave or cologne. They were allowed to smoke beforehand. They
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: had to wash their hands with warm water lest they
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: wake her up with a cold touch. If she moved
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: or seemed to be waking up, they had to leave.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: He never made any of these men wear a condom,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: even when he knew they had h ivy. He never
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: took payment for this abuse. He just did it for
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: his own enjoyment. He would dress Joselle in lingerie that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: she would refuse to wear. Afterwards, he cleaned her body
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and changed her clothes so that she would be none
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the wiser. The gendame identified over two hundred counts of
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: rape perpetrated by at least ninety two men. Only three
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: men that arrived and saw Chazelle unconscious left, but they
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: didn't report this. They saw what was being done to her,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but they just left her there. Out of the ninety
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: two men in the files, the police were able to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: identify eighty three separate men, but could only track down
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: about fifty two of them. Many of the men claimed
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that they believed that Gazelle was in on it, that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: she liked to be sedated, or that she was pretending
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to be asleep that they were promised a casual threesome.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for these men, Dominique, his lawyers, and the conversations
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: on Coco dot fr poked a massive hole in their
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: shitty little lies. The day after Dominique had been a rested,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: all three Pelico children traveled to see Chazelle in Avignon
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to support her something. David and Florian they were searching
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: their father's personal belongings, his books, his boxes, anything for
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: a clue. Caroline, however, was angry. She started smashing plates.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Her childhood, her life, her father, everything was a lie.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: She wanted to tear it all down. There was a
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: painting that hung, one that she had always wanted, one
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that she had asked her father for when he passed.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It was the painting of a naked woman from behind,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: painted by Dominique. Caroline raced towards it, tore at it,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: ripping the canvas off the wall. Then she saw on
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the back a word, a word that sent a rage
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: flying through her body. The painting was named Coercion. Chazelle
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: was desperate for normal sake. Caroline wanted to turn the
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: house to ash, like her memories. It wasn't long before
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they were brought to the police station in question. Caroline
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: point blank as the officer's if her father ever showed remorse.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: They told her no. To make matters worse, the police
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: informed Caroline than along with the thousands of pictures and
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: videos of Gazelle being assaulted, there were also pictures of
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: other women. Caroline was showing a picture of a woman
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: lying on a bed in her underwear. The light was
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: on and the covers were off. She looked like she
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: was intoxicated and posed. Caroline then came to the shocking
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: realization that the young woman in the picture was her.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: The photo had been shared on the forum under the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: title of My horror of a daughter. Another was superimposed
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to a picture of unconscious Gazelle, and there had male
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: genitalia superimposed onto the image too. Caroline returned to the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: house in Mazan. She was terrified had she been abused
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: by her own father. She was suspicious, and so were
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: her brothers. That night, she didn't want to sleep alone Gazelle,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: fear that if she joined her, if she snuggled up
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: next to her daughter in that room, that she would break.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: She couldn't allow that. She felt like she had to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: adorn armor to survive tragedy, and she wanted to get
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: her life back. She wanted the comfort of her own
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: bed hers. Florian dragged his mattress into his sister's room
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: and slept on the floor as to not leave her alone.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: The next day, Caroline was speaking to a psychologist who
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: suggested that it was highly likely that she had been
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: raped by her father, a suggestion that was supported by
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Dominique's brother. Chazelle was still grasping what was happening to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: her family. She told them nothing could be ruled out,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: but they had to wait for the evidence to come in.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Gazelle would go on to say that this would sound
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: like denial to her children's eels, but to her, this
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: was leaving it open until it was confirmed. Now I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: get where Rozelle's coming from. She's hoping that she didn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: fall in love with someone who could rape his own daughter.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to believe it. Caroline just breaks down
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and emergency services are called. They take her to the
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: psychiatric emergency room and then she spends the night on
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: a psych ward under observation. Well she's there. The police
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: speak to the rest of the Pelico and they start
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: thinking back to things that you know, we're odd at
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the time, but now seemed nefarious. They mentioned the grandchildren
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: talking about trying to wake up Mammonu into nineteen but
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't and they got scared. They'd mentioned seeing strange flashing
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: red lights when they played by the pool. They brought
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: up how their grandfather offered to get them sweets if
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: they took off their clothes, and how he grumbled how
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: they never wanted to play doctor anymore with him. Doctor
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: involved them having to take their clothes off. Things that
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: seemed awe for innocuous at the time now had everyone
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: ready to explode. In a small grace, there were no
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: visits from the Cocoa Forum when the grandchildren were around.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It would also come to light that hidden cameras were
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: placed around the house and photos were taken of both
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of his daughters in law daughter in laws one of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: those is correct. Cracks would begin to show in the family.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Pilgon Florian would return to the house and Mazan with
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: his mother to clear it of what they could. Anything
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that could be sold was swiftly and cheaply. They just
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: wanted it gone. Remember Dominique's terrible business acumen. Well, when
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: they were clearing the house, they uncovered buckets and buckets
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: of debt that he had sunk the family into, and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so much, if not all, of it was in Gazelle's name.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Caroline once again was upset, fearing that she was going
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to be thrown into poverty to pay for her father's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: debts now that he was in prison. Gizelle had always
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: been frugal, she thought that she could figure out a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: debt re payment plan. She had been a bookkeeper, after all,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: she knew how to manage her numbers. Gazelle left the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yellow House the color of Provence with two suitcases and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: her bulldog Lancom to get ready to divorce Dominique and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: get her life back. In the following months, Gazelle reconnected
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: with an old friend, Pascal One, who had left her
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: life thanks to Dominique being an absolute creep. She divorced
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Dominique and took back her maiden name, Jozelle Guilleux. She
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: spoke to her children, grandchildren, and psychiatrist who was available
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: every hour of the day just in case. That first
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Christmas was tough on the Pellico, Gazelle had been staying
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: with Florian, Her daughter Caroline Wroughte Maxim to visit, but
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: she was struggling to be around her mother because she
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: felt that her mother didn't want to believe that she
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: married a man who would abuse his own children and grandchildren.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: She felt that her mother didn't believe that anything had
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: happened to her. In February twenty twenty one, Dominique Pelico
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: would receive an eight month suspended sentence for the upskirting
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: incident in the supermarket. While Dominique was behind bars, the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: police were investigating about two years, trying to uncover every
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: man involved in this horrible scheme, but the identities of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: these men were not all they found. Two cold case
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: investigators had traveled to the Morcer prison to visit Dominique
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty two, and they believed that he
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: was connected to two crimes in knuants in nineteen ninety
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: one and nineteen ninety nine, Sophie Noon and a woman
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: referred to only as Estella. On the fourth of December
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Sophi Noon, a real estate agent in
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: her early twenties, was expecting to show an apartment in
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: northeast Paris. The appointment had been made under a false
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: name and When Sophie showed up, chemicals were used to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: subdue her. She had been tied, stabbed, raped, and killed.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: On the eleventh of May nineteen ninety nine, another real
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: estate agent in her twenties, Estella, arrived at a viewing
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: which would later be discovered to be under a false
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: name too. Estella let the man into the apartment when
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: he suddenly grabbed her by the throat, held a box
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: cutter to her carotid artery. He forced her onto her stomach,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: tied her hands behind her back, and pressed a compress
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: soaked an ether over her mouth. Ether the chemical that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the Victorians deemed too dangerous, Ether the people whose wallpaper
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: was poisoning them. As Estella started to go under, the
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: attacker took off her shoes and trousers and made her
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: touch him. Somehow, she managed to fight back and escape.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: DNA was still in its infancy really at this point,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: and some was taken from Estella's shoe and the carpet
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of the apartment. Traces of this DNA would be a
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: match for the DNA sample taken back from that first
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: upscore smarting arrest. Back in twenty ten, Dominique admitted to
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: seeing Estella through a real estate agency window, was taken
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: over with lust and lost all impulse control. Even though
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: he clearly committed a premeditated attack, he did not agree
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that this was an attempted rape. The DNA from Sophie's
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: case had somehow disappeared. Gazelle was contacted regarding the murder
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: and attempted rape. Now, the attempted rape is one thing,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: because she knew that he was capable of that, But
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: she didn't believe that her husband was capable of cold
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: blooded murder. I mean, no one wants to believe that
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: they were married to a monster. The Biblical rape trial
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: was garnering public attention, and Gazelle was upset that her
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: lawyer seemed to be chasing the femme train, giving soundbites
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: into every microphone she came across. Now, Gazelle had relocated
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to the Il Delou somewhere far away from the bad memories.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: She had found community and connection. It was here that
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: she would be connected to a new lawyer, one who
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the drama who wanted their name in lights. Now.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: She wanted someone sturdy who would support her through the trial,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and she found two men, Stiffan and Antoine. Initially, Chazelle
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: was going to be anonymous. She went through the name
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: options Francoise Marie p Options to protect her and her family.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: When on the ill delay, she got a second chance
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: at love, Jean Loupe, a widower who matched her energy.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Her children were delighted that she found someone. As the
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: trail grew closer, Joselle was forced to face the evidence
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and watch each and every video of her being raped,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: each one more horring than the last. Husband, a man
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: she did not know, a man she did. Gratuitous lingerie,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: her body flopping, limp lifeless, a courgette, a man forcing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: fillatio on the comatose women, the sound of choking, suffocating
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: coming from her men using her every orifice, never with protection,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and her husband filmed the whole thing. Just before the trial,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Gaselle had a revelation what happened to her men within
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a fifty kilometer radius of her home had done this
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to her, at least eighty three fifty of which she
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: would see in court. She decided to be brave to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: not give them the ability to hide, and that shame
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: had to switch sides. She should not be shamed for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: being the victim of an attack, it's the attack or
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: who should feel shame. Basically, she could keep her ex
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: husband and the rapist's name out of the press, but
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: instead she said, fuck this for a game of souldiersh
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: just did it. She told her lawyers, who were shocked.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: They wanted to make sure that she was prepared for
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the onslaught of the press, media and public opinion. But
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Giselle was determined. When the court came into session, in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: one of the five judges presence, Yes, it's a five
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: judge trial. One queried whether she wanted an open court.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Waiving anonymity like this was not a thing that was done.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: It was usually done in closed court. It usually kept
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the press out and it kept names out of the papers.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: The defense tried to argue for a closed court, but
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: unfortunately for them, that choice lays with the prosecution, not them.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Gazelle wanted to ensure that if any other woman woke
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: up with Giselle wanted to ensure that if any other
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: women woke up questioning their memories, they might remember the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: testimony of miss Pilicon. No woman should suffer from being
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: drugged and victimized. Other than Dominique, defendants came from all
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: walks of life, with most of them within the fifty
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: kilometer the thirty mile radius of the Pilico village of Mazan.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: They were firefighters, security guards, soldiers, lorry drivers, journalists, and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a dj which earned them the name Mercieus de lemon
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: mister Everyman. Most of them had children. Many of the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: men challenged the rape accusations. Some said they thought she
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: was in honor. Others laughed off, saying that if they
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to rape somebody, it wouldn't be a woman in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: her sexties. Some men admitted it, one apologized. Dominique clearly
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: admitted that he facilitated the raping of his wife and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: that these men were rapists. The men ranged in age
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: between twenty seven and seventy six. Fifty were brought to trial,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and two had died before the trial came to the courts.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Thirty three of the accused were walking free until the verdict,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: eighteen were held in custody, and one was being tried
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: in absentia. The fifty one men were represented by forty
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: nine separate lawyers, oh and the maximum sentence for rape
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: in France was twenty years each. Some of the men
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: apologized for their behavior. Many have not, and because I'm
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: a petty bitch, I'm going to tell you all of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: their names. Dominique Pilicot guilty of aggravated rape on his
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: ex wife Chazelle. Also guilty of the attempted aggravated rape
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of the wife of one of the co accused, Jean
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Pierre Mirochal, and taking indecent images of his daughter Caroline
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: and his daughters in law a Rah and Celine. He
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to twenty years. Jean Pierre Mirochal guilty of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: attempted rape and aggravated rape of his wife, as well
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: as drugging her, sentenced to twelve years. He is the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: only one of the fifty one who was not accused
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: of raping or attempting to rape Gazelle. The sixty three
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: year old admitted to following Dominique Pilicoe's lead drugging his
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: own wife for five years, raping her and inviting Dominique
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: to rape her too. Charlis Arbaut guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: sentenced to thirteen years. He was thirty. Cyril de Ville
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years. He was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a father of ti two Christians guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: acquitted of having child abuse imagery, sentenced to nine years.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: He was a volunteer firefighter and father of two daughters.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Lionel Rodriguez guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and he was employed in the same supermarket where Dominique
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Pelico got caught in twenty twenty. He was forty four.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Nico la Froncois guilty of aggravated rape and having child
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: abuse imagery, Sentenced to eight years and banned from working
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: in jobs with children for several years. Several years, not
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: all of the years. He was a forty three year
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: old freelance journalist. Jacques Coubeau guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: to five years. Seventy three year old lorry driver divorced
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: father of two, Patriis Nico guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: to eight years. Fifty five year old electrician father of two.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Gia Parisi guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: He was four fifty four. Simon Mackenzie guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: sentenced to nine years. He was a construction worker and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: father of six who lived next door to the Peli
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Coon he was forty three. Nailzar Hamida guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: sentenced to ten years. He was a hairdresser, builder and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: delivery driver. He was forty. Boris Mulon guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: sentenced to eight years. Delivery driver thirty seven years old.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Jerome Villea guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to thirteen years.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Former firefighter, supermarket employee, divorced father of two, forty six
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: years old. Dider Samboucci guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: five years. Retired lorry driver, father of two. Sixty eight.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Clintin Anybelle guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to seven years.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Former prison guard, ambulance driver thirty four years old. Philippe
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Leleeux guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to five years. Two
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: of them are suspended. A gardener sixty two years old.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Jean luc Lain guilty of aggravated rape, sentence to ten years.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Father of four, forty six years old. Fabian Sirtran guilty
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eleven years. Father of three.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Has a criminal record of domestic violence and sexual assault
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of a miner Karim Seboy guilty of aggravated rape and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: having Chelbu's imagery unmarried I specialist, sentence to ten years.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Forty years old. Joan Kwhi guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: to ten years. He raped Chaselle the same night his
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: daughter was born. Jean maclelou guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: to six years. Were not even halfway there. The seventy
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: four year old was a retired lorry driver. Andy Rodriguez
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: guilty of attempted rape and aggravating factors. He had domestic
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: violence charges, sentenced to six years. Thirty seven years old.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Vincent Gule guilty of agavated rape, sentence to ten years.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Also had domestic violence. Forty three years old. Edrine langerhom
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated rape in Childuby's imagery, sentenced to six years.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: He was jailed in twenty twenty. He was their four
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: years old. He was jailed because he had stalked and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: raped former girlfriends. Hugh Mulago guilty of attempted rape into
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: aggravating factors, sentenced to five years. Tyler thirty nine years old.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Ahmed To Barrick guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: He had a boxing club. He was married for thirty years.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: He's not married now and he was sentenced to eight years.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Fifty four who summit In Delgan guilty of aggravated rape,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: sentenced to nine years. Builder, father of one. Previous truck
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: traff again forty three years old. Roman Vanderveld guilty of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: attempted rape. Sentenced to fifteen years. HIV positive sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Coco guilty of aggravated sexual assault, sentenced to three years.
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  Speaker 1: Father of one, divorced nine Cipherdean Gabby acquitted of rape
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  Speaker 1: and attempted rape. Guilty of sexual assault. Lorry driver, father
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  Speaker 1: of three, sentenced to three years. Thirty seven. Jehan Dernou
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  Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years. Riffer fifty two.
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  Speaker 1: Mohammed Rava guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years.
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  Speaker 1: Retired DJ and club manager sentenced to eight years sence
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  Speaker 1: eight years already anyway seventy. Ludovic Blumel guilty of aggravated rape,
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to seven years. Former firefighter and warehouse worker. His
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  Speaker 1: baby was three years old when he went to rape Chazelle.
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  Speaker 1: He was thirty nine Patrick Eron guilty of aggravated rape,
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to six years. He actually has medical issues, so
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  Speaker 1: he's not actually in a day's being in like a
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  Speaker 1: special jail anyway. He was married for twenty five years.
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  Speaker 1: Father of two sixty Abdulali d Lal guilty of aggravated rape,
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to eight years. He's currently free last time I checked,
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  Speaker 1: as he also needs to be in a special unit
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  Speaker 1: thanks to his medical condition. He's forty seven. Glory Sevio
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  Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years. Painter and
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  Speaker 1: decorator thirty three Sidley Gisso guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced
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  Speaker 1: to twelve years. Delivery driver fifty centric Vinzong guilty of
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  Speaker 1: aggravated rape, sentence to nine years. He was managing a
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  Speaker 1: hotel in Corsica. Forty four Maddie Daddy guilty of mass
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  Speaker 1: rape and drugging, sentenced to eight years. Thirty six tierre
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  Speaker 1: Posta guilty of aggravated mass rape and drugging. Possession of
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  Speaker 1: child abuse imagery sentenced to twelve years. Banned from working
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  Speaker 1: with children for life. Refrigeration specialist divorced, father of three,
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  Speaker 1: sixty one Florian Rocca guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: seven years. The father of three. He was already convicted
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: at the time with theft and driving without a license
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: and various drug related offenses. Dominique Davies aggravated rape lorr driver,
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to thirteen years. Forty five Cyprian Culliras guilty of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: aggravated rape, sentenced to six years. He had eight prior convictions.
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  Speaker 1: Forty five Matthieu d'artin guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: seven years. Former baker two children, fifty three years old.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Cyrill Bob guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to nine years.
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  Speaker 1: Lorry driver forty seven. Unki Groyugi guilty of aggravated rapes,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: sentence to eight years. Thirty one. Omar Duri guilty of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: aggravated rape, sentenced to eight years. Employed by a cleaning company.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty six. Reduan Azuga guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: nine years. The forty year old father of two had
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: previous convictions for domestic violence. Hassan Omu guilty of aggravated rapes,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: sentence to twelve years. He's currently on the run in Monaco.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: He's thirty. Reduan Elfaihi guilty of aggravated rape, sentenced to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: eight years. When Gizelle took the stand, she did not
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  Speaker 1: mince her words. She told the men that none of
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  Speaker 1: them were forced to rape heart, They did not have
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  Speaker 1: a gun to their head. Not one reported what was
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: happening victually those who left. She was composed, She was authoritative,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: and because she had her name, she wanted to give
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  Speaker 1: her grandchildren a name to be proud of, not that
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  Speaker 1: of a monster, but that of a woman who stood
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  Speaker 1: up and fought for justice. Throughout the case, she received
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: letters from victims, women who had suffered and saw her
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: as a symbol. She kept them in a beautiful box.
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  Speaker 1: She moved to the Il Delu and is moving on
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  Speaker 1: with her life. She's hoping to rebuild connections with their
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  Speaker 1: children and grandchildren. Her grandson Nathan is pressing charges against
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  Speaker 1: his grandfather. Florian is divorced now because of everything that
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  Speaker 1: had happened. Their family is broken, because of every horrible
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: act that Dominique decided to do. Gaselle held her head
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  Speaker 1: eye she walked into that courtroom. Her character was attacked,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: her looks, her age, her complicity. Everything was under scrutiny.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: She could have shriveled away in head, but instead she
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: took a stand. That is the story of Giselle Pelico,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a woman determined to live her life with joy, happy
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: International Women's Day. Now, as you can tell, I was
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  Speaker 1: getting kind of full of angry enrage near at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this story. And that's that is just how
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  Speaker 1: this story makes me feel. Because even in France, like
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: rape is considered something that happens under it's like violence, coercion,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: surprise attack, right, It's a violent act. And because because
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Groselle was under because she was knocked out, that these issues,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: it was something they couldn't really pinpoint, so they had
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  Speaker 1: to redefine what this was. Because consent, the concept of
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: consent legally is such a great area in France, and
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  Speaker 1: I think with everything that's going on now, we really
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  Speaker 1: need to take things like that on board, and I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: think we need to respect people like Gizelle Pellicle. As
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: a direct result of Gizell and everything that she went
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  Speaker 1: through and coming forward, the French Parliament has ratified an
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  Speaker 1: amendment to add consent to the legal definition of sexual
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  Speaker 1: assault and rape. This only came through in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: This is incredibly recent because previously rape or sexual abuse
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: in France had been defined as any form of sexual
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  Speaker 1: penetration committed with the use of violence, coercion, threat, or surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Now the law will say that all sexual acts done
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  Speaker 1: to another without consent constitute rape. This change is the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: result of cross party years long debate which came to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: the forefront because of the Pellicle rape trail and because
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: of the advocacy the advocacy right of Chazelle Pellico. Happy
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: International Women's Day, and I'm going to be nice and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: swift here at the end. I'm going to talk to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you about well, yeah, recommendations time because I do it
• 1:17:14
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• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: listening Ghosted by Roz Fernandez because you need to break
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: at this point. For reading if you get the chance,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Hymn to Life by Jaselle Pellico in for watching again.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: To just give you some joy in the world, go
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: watch North of North and demand that Netflix give a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: second season because it's really good. And with that, I'm
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: going to bid you a due. Happy International Women's Day.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Adios au revoir of What is Them? My friends, Bye bye,