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What If Healing Is More Powerful Than You’ve Been Told? | Dr. Joy Kong | Wake Up with Marci · Wake Up with Marci

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to have your own support system, right,
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Speaker 1: they don't want you to gain strength, is right, whatever input.
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Speaker 1: So it was very much about isolation. He very much
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Speaker 1: frowned upon me having friends. So even just you know,
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Speaker 1: a simple you know girlfriend that was you know, he
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Speaker 1: was not happy about it.
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Speaker 2: So I was very much isolated.
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Speaker 1: And then I didn't want to tell my parents about
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Speaker 1: all the difficulties I was having because what could they do?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: It cost a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Money to talk to them, more than a dollar that
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Speaker 1: I didn't have. I couldn't really talk much on the
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Speaker 1: phone anyhow. So if I did talk with them, I
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Speaker 1: just tell them everything is amazing.
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Speaker 2: I did this and that.
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Speaker 1: So there's nobody that really understood what's going on with me.
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Speaker 1: And finally there's a couple people that friends who I
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Speaker 1: told what happened, and they were all shocked.
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Speaker 3: This is Wake Up with Marci, a space for honest
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Speaker 3: conversations about healing, recovery, and women's wellness. I'm Marcy Hopkins.
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Speaker 3: Take a breath, You're safe here.
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Speaker 4: Let's begin.
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Speaker 3: What if everything you thought you knew about healing was
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Speaker 3: only part of the story. What if healing wasn't just
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Speaker 3: about managing symptoms, but about discovering the root cause of
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Speaker 3: why we struggle in the first place. And what if
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Speaker 3: the greatest breakthroughs in your life didn't begin in the
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Speaker 3: doctor's office, but with the courage and the willingness to
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Speaker 3: ask deeper questions. Today's conversation will challenge the way that
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Speaker 3: you think about healing trauma, the mind body connection, and
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Speaker 3: what it truly means to transform your life. Helloau, Welcome
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Speaker 3: to Wake Up with Marcy. I'm your host, Marcy Hopkins,
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Speaker 3: and I am so grateful that you are here today.
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Speaker 3: Today we have an incredible guest. She has dedicated her
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Speaker 3: life to helping people heal, not just emotionally, but physically
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Speaker 3: and spiritually as well. Doctor Joey Kong is a UC
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Speaker 3: trained physician who is triple Board certified in psychiatry, addiction medicine,
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Speaker 3: and regenerative medicine. And we're going to talk a lot
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Speaker 3: about regenerative medicine. She is the founder of Shara Health
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Speaker 3: in the American Academy of Integrative Cell Therapy, where she
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Speaker 3: trains physicians from around the country. But behind those impressive
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Speaker 3: credentials is an extraordinary personal story. Growing up in Beijing,
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Speaker 3: coming to America with almost nothing, surviving an abusive marriage,
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Speaker 3: and rebuilding her life from the ground up. Doctor Kong
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Speaker 3: discovered that some of life's greatest transformations begin when we
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Speaker 3: are willing to look beneath the surface. Today, we're going
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Speaker 3: to explore trauma, resilience, regenerative medicine, and what it.
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Speaker 4: Really means to heal at the root.
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Speaker 3: Please join me in welcoming Doctor Joy Kong on Wake
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Speaker 3: Up with Marcy.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Jo, Welcome to Wake Up with Marcy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so happy to be here, Marcy.
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Speaker 3: I just want to thank you, first off, for being
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Speaker 3: so open and sharing with us your story to help
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Speaker 3: for others to heal and connect with themselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why I'm here, sharing while growing together.
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Speaker 2: That's the whole.
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Speaker 3: Point, exactly one hundred percent. And you came from You
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Speaker 3: grew up in Beijing, born and raised in Beijing.
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Speaker 4: Tell us about your childhood.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a lucky childhood, even though
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Speaker 1: there were struggles. I think my mom was a controlling
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Speaker 1: person and judgmental, and maybe maybe the love is a
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Speaker 1: little bit conditional, but still she provided, she took good
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Speaker 1: care of us. We ate really well. But yeah, there
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Speaker 1: was being judged and also so growing up in a
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Speaker 1: society that's that value uniformity, especially at that time under communism,
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Speaker 1: So there was a part of me that always wanted
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Speaker 1: to rebel because there were so many rules and I
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Speaker 1: was very annoyed and not liking it. So growing up
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Speaker 1: I was a little bit of a rebel, always in trouble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I had a good.
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Speaker 1: Experience growing up in growing up on a university campus,
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Speaker 1: a lot of just a lot of students, professors.
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Speaker 2: All around me, very much a learning environment.
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Speaker 1: So I always wanted to learn, wanted to grow as
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Speaker 1: a person, just become better and better. Yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 1: a first twenty years in Beijing.
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Speaker 3: So did when you started school there? When did you
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Speaker 3: want to be? Become a physician?
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Speaker 1: That didn't happen until well, I thought about becoming a
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Speaker 1: doctor when I finished high school. But just the way
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Speaker 1: the Chinese system is, you have to decide what you
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Speaker 1: want to be by filling out these applications that can
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Speaker 1: lend you in any department basically depending on your score.
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Speaker 1: So one of the things I wanted to do was
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Speaker 1: was been a doctor. The other one was architect. So
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Speaker 1: I ended up getting into architecture. But I spent the
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Speaker 1: two years studying architecture before the policy changed. I wrote
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Speaker 1: about it in my book Tiger of Beijing, you know
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Speaker 1: the political shift, and that's when I decided to come
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Speaker 1: to America. And even though I loved architecture, it's very
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Speaker 1: difficult to get a scholarship in the US studying architectures,
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Speaker 1: but study sciences is a lot easier. So then I
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Speaker 1: just switched. But I didn't really come here studying to
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Speaker 1: be a doctor. Initially I was really first time I'm
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Speaker 1: with so much freedom to choose, so I was choosing.
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Speaker 2: Journalism. It's completely unrelated.
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Speaker 1: But but then I realized that I really wanted to
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Speaker 1: become a doctor.
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Speaker 2: Well let's go back to that love.
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Speaker 3: I mean, coming from Beijing and making the choice to
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Speaker 3: come to America. Like, how did you make that choice?
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Speaker 3: You came by yourself. What did your parents think? Like
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Speaker 3: take us through that?
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Speaker 2: Well, if you don't want to go through the journey.
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Speaker 1: So when I was ever, since I was probably fifteen,
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Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to be in America because it's
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Speaker 1: so exciting, it's so fascinating. This is a unique country
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Speaker 1: on Earth where everybody is coming together to make a
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Speaker 1: new life together. I just I love the ideal, and
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Speaker 1: of course there's a lot of American television and American
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Speaker 1: you know, culture influence, and just seeing how this country,
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Speaker 1: how people lived, it was just very interesting to me
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to be there. Something inside of me
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Speaker 1: just wanted to be part of it, part of this
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Speaker 1: big social experiment. But when I was eighteen, my original
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Speaker 1: plan was to come to the US to continue my education.
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Speaker 1: At the time, it was architecture. But because of Tampa
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Speaker 1: Square incident in nineteen eighty nine, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you remember, it was a huge upheaval in China. I
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Speaker 1: think the government was worried the regime will be toppled
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Speaker 1: because everyone was rising up and all these strikes and
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Speaker 1: the whole Tampa Square was occupied by students and then
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Speaker 1: there was a crackdown. So that was a shock to everybody.
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Speaker 1: And once I was cracked down, the government very.
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Speaker 2: Quickly made a new policy.
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Speaker 1: So within six months, the new policy came down because
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Speaker 1: they were not happy with the students were acting because
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Speaker 1: they felt that in China, we gave you free education,
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Speaker 1: we help you to become who you are, and then
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Speaker 1: you one oppose us, and then two when you have
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Speaker 1: an opportunity, you want to leave, you want to go
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Speaker 1: abroad and study. So it just didn't I think the
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Speaker 1: government just felt like it was they couldn't keep that up.
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Speaker 2: They want to make it a little bit more challenging
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Speaker 2: for people to leave. They don't want all their talents
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Speaker 2: to leak out.
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Speaker 1: So then the new policy was that you have to
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Speaker 1: stay in China if you pass the third year in college,
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Speaker 1: which is when people actually third years when people start
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Speaker 1: applying for a graduate school because that's when you can
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Speaker 1: actually get scholarships and internships. But the government knew that,
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Speaker 1: so it says that you have to leave before the
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Speaker 1: third year. Otherwise you have to finish your school, finish
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Speaker 1: your college and work for five years in China and
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Speaker 1: then will you to leave. So basically my plan was
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Speaker 1: completely uh squash, because that was my plan. I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, third year about you know, when you start
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Speaker 1: the fourth year, that's when you start to apply apply
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Speaker 1: for graduate school. And there's almost no scholarship for undergrad
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Speaker 1: for architecture, but there are always scholarships and fellowships when
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Speaker 1: you are in graduate school because you can teach and
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Speaker 1: all that. So I had to decide if I don't
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Speaker 1: leave by the third year. That means I would have
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Speaker 1: to wait until I'm twenty nine years old. Right, I
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Speaker 1: was only eighteen, So what do you want to do?
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Speaker 1: Architectures five years? So I thought pretty hard because I
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Speaker 1: really loved architecture. But if I wanted to come to America,
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Speaker 1: that means I had to give up architecture.
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Speaker 2: But the pool to come to America was much stronger.
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Speaker 1: So I thought about it pretty hard for three days
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Speaker 1: and three nights, struggling with the decision. And I also
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Speaker 1: knew it's a tough road to want to come to America.
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Speaker 1: You have to go through all these hurdles and and
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Speaker 1: and with no guarantee that you're going to leave because
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Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult to get a visa. So it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a big decision. But then I made the decision.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm about that.
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Speaker 1: They were They were saying, joy, whatever you want to do,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be one hundred percent behind you. If
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Speaker 1: you want to stay, that's perfectly fine. You want to leave,
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Speaker 1: then we know you need money. Then all we have
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Speaker 1: is our life savings, and we'll give you our entire
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Speaker 1: life savings and then we'll borrow the same amount, which
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Speaker 1: come together to about one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: That's all they happen.
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Speaker 1: Then you're going to go into debt just to support
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Speaker 1: me and yeah, so so so that was you know,
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Speaker 1: the rest is on me, right, I got a thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars and and the it depends on me.
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Speaker 3: So you came to America and so you decided to
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Speaker 3: go after journalism made it made a change.
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Speaker 2: Well that that was my whole book. You know, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't easy. The book started with my visa rejection. So
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Speaker 2: I went.
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Speaker 1: I jumped ahead to after working very hard for you know,
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Speaker 1: eighteen months, and get to the point of standing in
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Speaker 1: front of American Embassy with my plan to study biology
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Speaker 1: and got a scholarship to Clark University in Massachusetts and
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Speaker 1: got flatly rejected. So that was that. That was a
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Speaker 1: big shock to my system. And the book started there.
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Speaker 2: So what do you do?
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Speaker 1: What do you do when you know, after all the
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Speaker 1: hard work and you found out the country that you
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Speaker 1: want to go to. I just didn't want you, so
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Speaker 1: and the reason I didn't want me, you know, at
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Speaker 1: least by that person at the embassy, was really not
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Speaker 1: because of who I was as a person. Is because
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Speaker 1: I didn't have an affidavit support. So I didn't have
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Speaker 1: a good affidavit of support because it was my mom's
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Speaker 1: student who was basically saying, yeah, if anything happens when
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Speaker 1: she's in this country, we're going to step up to
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Speaker 1: help her financially. And the embassy did not believe this.
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Speaker 1: You know, my mom's student is.
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Speaker 2: Going to do that.
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Speaker 1: And of course I never thought I would ask this
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Speaker 1: person for any help, you know, for money anything.
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Speaker 2: It was just a piece of paper. It's true, it's
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Speaker 2: a piece of paper.
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Speaker 1: But it wasn't believable to the embassy because they said,
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Speaker 1: that's why would he want to help you.
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Speaker 2: So then I set.
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Speaker 1: Out to figure out how I could make it to America,
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Speaker 1: and I knew the barrier was that I didn't know
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Speaker 1: anybody that would make the embassy believe that this is
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Speaker 1: this is for real. So then I went on a
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Speaker 1: sort of an event chuir to figure out how I
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Speaker 1: can know somebody.
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Speaker 2: First, that was a book, Yes.
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Speaker 4: So how about that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, now you're in America and you've come
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Speaker 3: with very little, and well, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well you have the book talked about.
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Speaker 1: It's not just I just miraculously made it to America
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Speaker 1: I went through.
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Speaker 2: I ended up becoming a tour guide.
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Speaker 1: I went to Tibet and then the last a in Tibet,
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Speaker 1: you know, I led a tour of you know, eight
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Speaker 1: Americans to Europeans through the Humalayans and we were trekking
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Speaker 1: for three weeks and you know, went to Mount Everest,
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Speaker 1: the foot of Mount Evers and all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: But no one wanted to help me. You know, I wanted.
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Speaker 1: I was hoping that someone would be willing to help me.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was this twenty year old.
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Speaker 2: Kid with full of hope for the future.
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Speaker 1: But you know, these people were, you know, they were
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Speaker 1: pretty well off right at the time to spend a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. There was a lot of money to
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Speaker 1: go through a forty day trip in China, including three
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Speaker 1: days in the Himalayans. It was not cheap, so they
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Speaker 1: all had the resources, but nobody wanted to help, even
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Speaker 1: though they told me how much they loved me.
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Speaker 2: I was amazing. I did such a great job.
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Speaker 1: But so I felt that there was hypocrisy that you know,
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Speaker 1: you you said, you you know, really appreciate who I was,
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Speaker 1: and you knew I was struggling looking for a way
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Speaker 1: to find to get to my destination, but nobody wanted
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Speaker 1: to help. However, the very very last day I didn't
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Speaker 1: meet in the taxi, I met a young American man
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Speaker 1: and so there was a stormy story. That's why I
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Speaker 1: wrote in the book because it's a there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of drama, right, it's and it's very cinematic. So but
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Speaker 1: but that was them, you know, that's eventually to America.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you end up marrying Now.
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Speaker 2: I actually got married. Yes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was interesting, was an incredible experience, but it was
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Speaker 1: also very difficult because you know, now it's becoming a buzzword.
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Speaker 2: At the time, I didn't know what it was. And
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Speaker 2: now I understand.
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Speaker 1: Is narcissism so very extremely controlling, jealous, narcissistic. So as
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Speaker 1: a young girl, of course at that time, that's nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety two.
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Speaker 2: That's thirty four years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's no no I was talking about narcissism.
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Speaker 1: I was just I didn't understand. I was like, what
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Speaker 1: was going on? Why can't he understand? He's hurting me?
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Speaker 1: I don't like because the whole basis for to me,
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Speaker 1: a relationsship is about communication. Even at that young age,
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Speaker 1: I just figured if I truly love this person. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing that's not surmountable, because as soon as I tell
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Speaker 1: this person what's bothering me, then we'll figure it out
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Speaker 1: how to move forward. And then as long as we
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Speaker 1: keep just you know, understanding each other, then everything will
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Speaker 1: be resolved. So to me, it was very simple, but
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Speaker 1: apparently it's not that simple. But no one taught me, right,
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Speaker 1: you know, definitely not.
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Speaker 4: They weren't talking about it.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure everything he turned, he turned it around
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Speaker 3: and it was your problem, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was very confusing, right because I supposedly I wasn't
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Speaker 1: grateful enough. I studied too much, I wasn't doing enough housework.
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Speaker 1: Those were there's pretty not much more complaint because I
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Speaker 1: study too much. That was the worst complaint from him.
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Speaker 3: You weren't available to him, right, Yeah, So so take
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Speaker 3: us through. So you, now, when did you decide that
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Speaker 3: you wanted to be a physician?
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Speaker 4: When did that start for you?
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Speaker 1: Finally decided at San Francisco State that I was going
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Speaker 1: to science because that excites me a lot. It's especially biology,
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Speaker 1: unraveling the mystery of life. So that to me, it
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Speaker 1: was just it was exciting and I thought I wanted
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Speaker 1: to become a professor because my dad's professor. I grew
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Speaker 1: up on the university campus. I just I loved environmental learning.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't realize that in the US, to become
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Speaker 1: a professor you have to do research. So I didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what that meant until I started doing research.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I love research. I love reading about research.
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Speaker 1: But as far as me doing the benchwork and day
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Speaker 1: in and day out designing and carry out experiments figuring
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Speaker 1: out the answer to one small question. To me, I
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Speaker 1: realized that's not what drives me.
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Speaker 2: I want to know the answer.
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Speaker 1: I would like other people to do the work and
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Speaker 1: tell me the answer so I can use the answer to.
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Speaker 2: Do something really useful.
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Speaker 1: Because what I want is to make a difference in
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Speaker 1: the world. Right, how can I apply this knowledge? How
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Speaker 1: can I use this so you know, the world is different?
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Speaker 1: So that's really what what what drives me is the
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Speaker 1: application of knowledge. So I did go to NYU to
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Speaker 1: do an internship in the summer.
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Speaker 2: I think it's nineteen.
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Speaker 1: Ninety seven, and I wanted to understand, you know, I
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Speaker 1: did to get an experience both doing research but also
18:21
Speaker 1: see what medical practice is like because we had a
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Speaker 1: chance to have a mentor physician mentor at Bellevue. So
18:30
Speaker 1: that was actually the first time I was in a
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Speaker 1: medical office and really looking at how American medicine is practiced.
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Speaker 1: And she is an obstetrician. So it's really fascinating because
18:43
Speaker 1: when you think about obstetrician and their office, You've got
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Speaker 1: all these couples coming in, right, You've got these women
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Speaker 1: with big belly and they're all excited and they're they're
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Speaker 1: you know, they're checking out what.
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Speaker 2: This new baby's going to be like.
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Speaker 1: And it was just so fun because you know, the
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Speaker 1: technicians rolling around, these just have cards and you see
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Speaker 1: all these a lot of intracial couples. So I love
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Speaker 1: the psychological aspect as well. I just find humans really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: So a combination of you know, seeing the psychology of
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Speaker 1: humans and then looking at science and technology and just
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Speaker 1: all together it seems to be very fulfilling, you know,
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Speaker 1: for me to want to be part of. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: that one morning, it didn't take much. Just one morning
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Speaker 1: in the office is like this is it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I researched, no research. You know, either way, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be a doctor. You know, maybe I'll also do research,
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Speaker 1: but definitely I'm going to be an MD.
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Speaker 5: You studied psychiatry, Well, I went to medical school, and
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Speaker 5: we can become anything we want, right, I can become dermatologists,
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Speaker 5: can become worth a consurgent.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter of deciding what you wanted.
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Speaker 1: So we went through all the rotations, all the departments,
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Speaker 1: and what I realized was that when I was doing psychiatry,
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Speaker 1: that's when I had the most fun. So I think, I,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm quintessential in you know, following the
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Speaker 1: American philosophy, which is follow your heart. The Chinese always
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Speaker 1: think it's that's not what you do. You don't follow
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Speaker 1: your heart, you follow what's practical. But I just followed.
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Speaker 1: I followed my my sensation, my internal sensation, which was
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Speaker 1: excitement and fun.
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Speaker 2: So when I was doing psychiatry, I.
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Speaker 1: Just thought it was so interesting because people have all
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Speaker 1: kinds of pathologies because our brain was malfunctioning, and I
20:34
Speaker 1: just thought that malfunction was just fascinating. It gives us
20:37
Speaker 1: a lot of clue of how the brain works. So
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Speaker 1: that's when, Yeah, when I was doing that, I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm having too much fun.
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Speaker 3: This is yeah, so just let's go back just a
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Speaker 3: little bit when you were with your husband? Were during
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Speaker 3: this time? Were you still with your husband?
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Speaker 2: No, I left two years after I got to America.
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Speaker 3: So take us through that though, for for anyone that
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Speaker 3: may be dealing with an narcissist or an abusive situation,
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Speaker 3: how did you find the strength to get out of
21:16
Speaker 3: that relationship? Because I know that's got to be very difficult.
21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the time, I was, Yeah, I felt very
21:25
Speaker 2: much trapped.
21:27
Speaker 1: Actually, at the early, very early stage.
21:31
Speaker 2: I thought, I this, how can he act this way?
21:35
Speaker 2: This is really not acceptable. I don't want to be here.
21:39
Speaker 1: I don't want to be be with this person. And
21:41
Speaker 1: then I realized that where I'm going to go, I'm
21:44
Speaker 1: gonna one become homeless, to be sent back to China,
21:48
Speaker 1: and that's just not an option.
21:50
Speaker 2: I worked too hard to be here. I need to
21:52
Speaker 2: be here.
21:53
Speaker 1: So but if anyone knows about well, you know, people
21:59
Speaker 1: who are.
21:59
Speaker 2: Controlling, they do. They don't want.
22:01
Speaker 1: You to have your own support system, right, they don't
22:04
Speaker 1: want you to gain strength.
22:06
Speaker 2: Whatever.
22:07
Speaker 1: So it was very much about isolation. He very much
22:11
Speaker 1: frowned upon me having friends. So even just you know,
22:14
Speaker 1: a simple you know girlfriend that was you know, he
22:18
Speaker 1: was not happy about it.
22:19
Speaker 2: So I was very much isolated. And then I didn't
22:23
Speaker 2: want to tell my parents.
22:24
Speaker 1: About all the difficulties I was having because what could
22:27
Speaker 1: they do, right. It cost a lot of money to
22:30
Speaker 1: talk to them, more than a dollar that I didn't have.
22:34
Speaker 1: I couldn't really talk much on the phone anyhow, So
22:37
Speaker 1: if I did talk with them, I just tell them
22:38
Speaker 1: everything is amazing, I did this and that. So so
22:42
Speaker 1: there's nobody that really understood what's going on with me.
22:46
Speaker 1: And and finally there's there's a couple of people that
22:51
Speaker 1: friends who I told what happened, and they were all shocked,
22:54
Speaker 1: and they all of them was.
22:56
Speaker 2: Like, no, you have you know you can't be you
22:59
Speaker 2: can't tolerate this. You need to be out.
23:02
Speaker 1: And for me, I was just very I was confused
23:06
Speaker 1: because on one hand, I wanted to leave because I
23:08
Speaker 1: didn't feel good, because it's not the way one human
23:12
Speaker 1: should trate another. But on the other hand, this person
23:16
Speaker 1: on his knees with tears in his eyes telling me
23:19
Speaker 1: how much he loves me, right saying these amazing things
23:23
Speaker 1: of appreciation about who I am. But then on the
23:26
Speaker 1: other hand, sometimes flips and act and rage and and
23:31
Speaker 1: and just total, just just a lack of empathy. So
23:38
Speaker 1: so I was struggling because no one. I don't think
23:43
Speaker 1: my parents even understood. I mean, they had a good marriage,
23:46
Speaker 1: they loved each other. I don't think they really understood
23:49
Speaker 1: the pathology, extend the pathology that people people could could exhibit.
23:53
Speaker 2: So yeah, even.
23:56
Speaker 1: After I left him, he kept calling my parents, doing
24:00
Speaker 1: this three way calling, you know, to get a friend
24:03
Speaker 1: in Taiwan to translate like at an hour every day,
24:07
Speaker 1: trying to convince them to tell me to get back.
24:11
Speaker 1: And then eventually they did. My dad wrote me this
24:14
Speaker 1: long letter asking me to go back. This is after
24:17
Speaker 1: I told them everything. When I told them everything, they said, absolutely,
24:21
Speaker 1: you need to get out. You can't tolerate this. So
24:23
Speaker 1: so I was like, great, my parents are behind me.
24:25
Speaker 2: This is all good.
24:26
Speaker 1: And then because he was talking to my parents every day,
24:29
Speaker 1: and then it turned them around and they asked me
24:33
Speaker 1: to go back.
24:34
Speaker 3: It's such a form of manipulation. But it's incredible that
24:40
Speaker 3: you had the strength to do that and that you
24:43
Speaker 3: did find the support to help you.
24:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ended up up in a shelter. Well thanks
24:49
Speaker 1: to this lawyer attorney friend who stayed with us and
24:54
Speaker 1: heard what's going on in the house, you know, like
24:58
Speaker 1: at night. And so so the next day, this attorney
25:01
Speaker 1: friend holding me aside when when my ex husband went
25:06
Speaker 1: to work, he said, are you okay?
25:08
Speaker 6: Do you?
25:09
Speaker 2: I'm worried about you.
25:10
Speaker 1: So he actually pulled up pulled out the Yellow Pages
25:14
Speaker 1: and and wrote down all these numbers of like Asian
25:18
Speaker 1: log coccus, different shelters, different help helped usk, the helplines. Yeah,
25:26
Speaker 1: so I didn't know that all these were available. And
25:30
Speaker 1: that's how I was able to get out is because
25:32
Speaker 1: there are organizations.
25:34
Speaker 2: That actually help people who are stuck.
25:36
Speaker 3: I know, and there's so many people out there that
25:39
Speaker 3: feel they're stuck and there's no help, and there is help, yes,
25:43
Speaker 3: and yeah. So so well it's incredible that you got
25:48
Speaker 3: out and now that the work that you're doing. And
25:51
Speaker 3: I know, so you were practicing psychiatry and but you
25:57
Speaker 3: were noticing some things. You were feeling like the traditional
26:01
Speaker 3: medicine wasn't enough.
26:04
Speaker 1: And yeah, so psychiatry actually is very powerful and very
26:08
Speaker 1: very useful because I can take somebody who's in frank
26:11
Speaker 1: psychosis and really get them to shift how their mind
26:14
Speaker 1: is perceiving things. Right, So there's a very very powerful
26:17
Speaker 1: form of medicine. But what I realized is that even
26:20
Speaker 1: though I can temporarily take them out of psychosis or depression,
26:24
Speaker 1: but some of the fundamental driving forces for the psychosis
26:27
Speaker 1: and depression we're not addressing. So then unless they stay
26:31
Speaker 1: on these heavy duty medications that have all kinds of
26:33
Speaker 1: side effects, then there's no other way to turn them around.
26:37
Speaker 1: Right when, actually, if you start to balance them in
26:40
Speaker 1: certain ways, a lot of the problems actually can lessen
26:45
Speaker 1: or go away. So how about ways to actually get
26:50
Speaker 1: them really well? So that's what I wanted to do.
26:52
Speaker 1: I didn't wasn't satisfied with just giving them medications so
26:57
Speaker 1: they could be symptom free while suffering from different kinds
27:00
Speaker 1: of side effects. And also, when I was working at
27:03
Speaker 1: this county mental health clinic, most of the patients had
27:07
Speaker 1: no money. They were very poor, so poor that they
27:10
Speaker 1: couldn't see a primary care doctor. They just didn't have something.
27:14
Speaker 1: You had the bus money to see a doctor. So
27:18
Speaker 1: I started to function as a primary care doctor and
27:21
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. So I was writing them different medications. But
27:25
Speaker 1: I just felt like this is not you know, I
27:26
Speaker 1: don't want to throw all these medications at these people
27:29
Speaker 1: because from a tradition, so many things can be adjusted
27:34
Speaker 1: and optimized, so they don't have to be on the medications. Right,
27:37
Speaker 1: So but how do I do this? How do I
27:39
Speaker 1: bring this into patients health? Because I think physically, if
27:43
Speaker 1: they do better that of course the brain is connected
27:45
Speaker 1: to the rest of the body, their brain is also
27:47
Speaker 1: going to work better.
27:48
Speaker 2: So how about I put them together?
27:51
Speaker 1: And that's when I started to study more about the
27:55
Speaker 1: other forms of medicine, more holistic approaches to medicine, and
27:59
Speaker 1: that eventure got me to stem cells.
28:01
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the journey.
28:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the stem cell, to me, is the most
28:06
Speaker 1: holistic that you can get, as holistic as you can get.
28:09
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, you can address different environmental factors
28:12
Speaker 1: like infections and toxicity, et cetera. But stem cells as
28:17
Speaker 1: the force behind life itself because they carry the DNA
28:22
Speaker 1: with all the coding of making life, so they can
28:25
Speaker 1: if they can make life, they can repair life because they.
28:28
Speaker 2: Know how to make new life right, make mutissue.
28:31
Speaker 1: Then that is a powerful way of making a person
28:35
Speaker 1: new and making a personal whole. So I wanted to
28:39
Speaker 1: utilize that to really if we can make a personal whole,
28:43
Speaker 1: you know and and you know all new right that
28:46
Speaker 1: that would be the holy grow instead of trying to
28:49
Speaker 1: beat up the damaged tissue, Let's just make fresh, new,
28:52
Speaker 1: good tissue.
28:54
Speaker 3: But but in what capacity? I mean, how is that helping?
28:58
Speaker 3: You're saying build? This is that helping those in mental
29:02
Speaker 3: health or with addiction, or this is more.
29:05
Speaker 4: Than activity.
29:07
Speaker 2: All of it.
29:08
Speaker 1: So how I encountered stem cell therapy was on the
29:14
Speaker 1: bus I was studying for a board certification for addiction
29:17
Speaker 1: medicine and then sitting next to me with a doctor
29:20
Speaker 1: who said he is doing anti aging.
29:24
Speaker 2: Medicine, which I didn't know what that was at the time.
29:27
Speaker 1: Apparently there are things that you can address to prevent
29:31
Speaker 1: aging yourself. So if you reverse all the factors of aging,
29:37
Speaker 1: then you can stall aging. And I was like, wow,
29:39
Speaker 1: what a great concept, because of course disease is the
29:42
Speaker 1: most correlated with age, So you can slow down this
29:47
Speaker 1: inflammation and decline, then you can prevent a lot of diseases.
29:52
Speaker 1: And then he said, you know, I do stem cell therapy,
29:56
Speaker 1: so and look at this kid I just treated. He
29:59
Speaker 1: was so excited because he treated an autistic kid, and
30:03
Speaker 1: so he showed me this list of changes that his teacher.
30:06
Speaker 1: The kid's teacher reported, and there were like forty different
30:10
Speaker 1: things that a teacher noticed that's different about this kid
30:13
Speaker 1: from one IV treatment of stem cells, so they're like
30:17
Speaker 1: better eye contact, better ability to connect with people, less procrastination,
30:22
Speaker 1: less aggression. There. I was a psychiatrist, right, and he
30:26
Speaker 1: was an anesthesiologist, so he knew very little about autism.
30:30
Speaker 1: I knew a ton about autism because that's our realm,
30:33
Speaker 1: at least in this country. And I couldn't do that.
30:36
Speaker 1: I don't have the tools to do what he did.
30:39
Speaker 1: So what is about these stem cells that you know,
30:44
Speaker 1: an ent physiologist put in a kid's body, didn't do
30:47
Speaker 1: anything else? And then the kid is like transformed, Like
30:51
Speaker 1: how did he do that? And what are in these cells?
30:54
Speaker 1: So that was my first clue. Okay, Joy, if you
30:57
Speaker 1: see evidence that are profound, you can't turn your eyes,
31:03
Speaker 1: you can't turn away from it because you have to
31:05
Speaker 1: figure out why it worked.
31:07
Speaker 2: So that's when I just intellectually it was just too exciting.
31:11
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, what's coming on with these Souths?
31:14
Speaker 1: How do they do that? So I started going doing
31:17
Speaker 1: deep dives. I started reading all kinds of research articles,
31:20
Speaker 1: going to conferences about stem cells science, and that's that's
31:25
Speaker 1: kind of how it all started ten years.
31:27
Speaker 3: So tell us exactly what what that means. Is regenerative
31:33
Speaker 3: medicine the same as stem cell therapy.
31:37
Speaker 1: Medical encompasses a lot of different forms of therapies that
31:43
Speaker 1: all of them have the end result of regeneration. So
31:48
Speaker 1: if we can regeneration means make new, right, we make
31:51
Speaker 1: fresh new things, So the them cells can do that, exo
31:55
Speaker 1: zomes can do that, PRP can do that. A lot
31:58
Speaker 1: of the natural thing therapies they can all help, you know,
32:01
Speaker 1: laser therapy, they can all help.
32:04
Speaker 2: The body to regenerate.
32:05
Speaker 1: So but usually if you hear a doctor saying I
32:08
Speaker 1: do regeners of medicine, there most likely are referring to
32:12
Speaker 1: them cells and exosomes. So these are kind of the
32:15
Speaker 1: typical in the medical world.
32:17
Speaker 2: That's what they mean.
32:18
Speaker 3: So when you, I know you like to get to
32:20
Speaker 3: the root of the problem, right and that and I
32:25
Speaker 3: know that this is something that you have been working
32:28
Speaker 3: on for so long and you have practices now that
32:31
Speaker 3: help in this area, what does that mean getting to
32:35
Speaker 3: the root and how does stem cell therapy help?
32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the root of the problems, you know, these
32:42
Speaker 1: Really this is unti aging medicine, which is looking at
32:45
Speaker 1: all the places where things are falling apart. So starting
32:49
Speaker 1: from the cell, it could be the cell don't have
32:53
Speaker 1: enough power to produce enough proteins, right, there's degradation in
32:57
Speaker 1: the cellular function. It could be mitochondria decline, and it
33:00
Speaker 1: could be the DNA degradation. So they're not producing enough
33:05
Speaker 1: protein and enough just performing its function. So that can
33:10
Speaker 1: result in just cells being sluggish, can't do their work,
33:14
Speaker 1: they can't produce hormones that can help the body to
33:18
Speaker 1: stay in balance. And also toxicity. We can accumulate all
33:21
Speaker 1: kinds of toxicity. You know, that's why detox is really important. Right,
33:25
Speaker 1: I can give you incredible cells, but if your body
33:28
Speaker 1: is toxic, maybe temporarily you can do better, but but
33:32
Speaker 1: then it's going to bring you back to sickness. So
33:35
Speaker 1: all these are root causes, you know, microbiome. You know,
33:39
Speaker 1: if you have the wrong critters in your in your
33:42
Speaker 1: GI track, and they can just you know, you won't
33:45
Speaker 1: be having the right vitamins and hormones and and and yeah,
33:51
Speaker 1: you won't be able to absorb nutrients. So they can
33:53
Speaker 1: cause a lot of modern problems. So you want to
33:58
Speaker 1: address all those but when it to stem cells, how
34:01
Speaker 1: does it address that?
34:02
Speaker 2: One is that it's highly unti inflammatory.
34:04
Speaker 1: So inflammation is one driving force for disease, from chronic
34:09
Speaker 1: disease and aging. So if I can calm the inflammation
34:12
Speaker 1: so the body is not stuck in this you know,
34:15
Speaker 1: kind of crisis mode, then we can bring the body
34:20
Speaker 1: into the you know, the the direction of repair. So
34:25
Speaker 1: that's that's what the stem cells can do. It can
34:27
Speaker 1: also modulate your immune system. Your musism is a highly
34:30
Speaker 1: complex and intelligent, but it declines an immuse and right aging.
34:35
Speaker 1: Immune system is a huge factor in aging human body period,
34:41
Speaker 1: so we address that. And then there's also signaling capabilities.
34:46
Speaker 1: So let's say someone crushed their body or did some
34:49
Speaker 1: kind of damage, you know, toward their ligament. How do
34:52
Speaker 1: you compair that if you don't have the right signals,
34:54
Speaker 1: So tell the cells. You know, let's say your your
34:57
Speaker 1: tendon cells. There are ten and stem cells in your tendon,
35:02
Speaker 1: but why is your tendon some people have chronic tendinitis
35:06
Speaker 1: for years, Like what's going on? Within weeks everything should
35:12
Speaker 1: be fixed. How come your stem cells in the tendon
35:15
Speaker 1: is not making new cells for you? It's not repairing it.
35:18
Speaker 1: So things are stuck from inflammation, from toxicity, but also
35:21
Speaker 1: from lack of signals. So that's what these stem cells
35:24
Speaker 1: can do. It can actually give you just the right signals.
35:28
Speaker 1: Is like speaking the right language. Right, if you speak Italian,
35:31
Speaker 1: I speak Chinese, I can keep screaming it, like you know,
35:35
Speaker 1: if the cells are not getting right signals, what is
35:38
Speaker 1: you can scream.
35:39
Speaker 2: So that's what we want to do.
35:41
Speaker 1: We want to give whisper into the body, the exact
35:44
Speaker 1: language the body can hear.
35:46
Speaker 2: Now the body can come alive.
35:48
Speaker 1: So that's fundamental. If you're making new things happen new cells,
35:53
Speaker 1: then you're fixing the problem. So that's the These are
35:56
Speaker 1: some of the fundamental Besides, we can give you if
35:58
Speaker 1: you get young stem cells, there are young mitochondria, so
36:03
Speaker 1: that mitochondria can go into the recipient's body and help
36:09
Speaker 1: the cells in the recipient's body to thrive at a
36:12
Speaker 1: higher level, to to you know, to to work and
36:15
Speaker 1: function at a higher level.
36:17
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
36:18
Speaker 3: And this how does it help with with the mental
36:22
Speaker 3: side of things.
36:24
Speaker 1: There's not as much research on the mental aspect, although
36:29
Speaker 1: there's some animal research for let's say, for addiction, and
36:33
Speaker 1: that one, it's pretty fascinating.
36:35
Speaker 2: It drastically reduced it.
36:36
Speaker 1: You know, they did alcoholic rats, So there are rats
36:39
Speaker 1: who are alcoholic. You can drastically reduce their intake of
36:43
Speaker 1: alcohol and also reduce their relapsed behavior.
36:47
Speaker 2: So after they're.
36:47
Speaker 1: Cut off from alcohol and some days later you reintroduce
36:52
Speaker 1: alcohol and to if you give them them cells, they
36:55
Speaker 1: actually have drastically declined inclination to drink. So that's that's
37:03
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have enough human studies. This is
37:05
Speaker 1: why I was excited. Right, we're all at the cutting edge.
37:07
Speaker 2: I tell all the.
37:08
Speaker 1: Doctors I trained, because I have an academy. I trained
37:10
Speaker 1: a lot of doctors. I tell them, you know, join
37:13
Speaker 1: this revolution because you are literally standing at the cutting edge.
37:17
Speaker 1: The world has never seen a lot of the problems.
37:20
Speaker 1: You know what happens when you use them cells. So
37:23
Speaker 1: we're facing I've treated so many conditions. If you are interested, curious,
37:27
Speaker 1: they can just go to the academy. Website is a
37:30
Speaker 1: I C.
37:31
Speaker 2: T dot org.
37:31
Speaker 1: I have a case study section. Almost all those are
37:34
Speaker 1: my patients. So these are people I've treated, and you
37:38
Speaker 1: will see the huge array of conditions. But still there
37:41
Speaker 1: are a lot of conditions that are not on there
37:43
Speaker 1: that there, some are more obscure. But so we're all
37:46
Speaker 1: standing at the forefront trying to gather evidence for the world,
37:51
Speaker 1: which is yeah, but I've if you on a list
37:53
Speaker 1: of the things I've seen benefits.
37:55
Speaker 6: In, I mean a conditions, automn is amazing, you know, arthritis, loupes, psoriasis,
38:04
Speaker 6: I've treated people with charcoidosis, you know, a lot of
38:08
Speaker 6: brain conditions, Parkinson's.
38:10
Speaker 1: Amazing results, Alzheimer's, a ls MS, traumatic brain injury.
38:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've treated people with a lot of COPD.
38:20
Speaker 1: And lung injury, heart disease, right after heart attack, repairing
38:24
Speaker 1: up the heart, cardiovascular issues.
38:26
Speaker 2: Even helping with blood pressure, kidney.
38:29
Speaker 1: Disease, liver curosis, testicular problems, fertility and yeah. So of
38:38
Speaker 1: course muscular scholetory repair a lot of them.
38:40
Speaker 2: And this is.
38:41
Speaker 4: Everything you do with Chara Health. Is that correct? Yeah?
38:44
Speaker 1: So so those are we Most of people who come
38:46
Speaker 1: to me do have significant health issues because it's not
38:50
Speaker 1: you know, in expensive therapy. Although I'm gonna, you know,
38:53
Speaker 1: put out a podcast episode about what's gonna happen. Will
38:57
Speaker 1: the insurance come on board? It's gonna be more expensive.
39:01
Speaker 1: You think it's expensive now, but it's going to be
39:05
Speaker 1: ten times one hundred.
39:06
Speaker 2: Times as expensive. But as far.
39:10
Speaker 1: As the people the range of issues, ninety percent of
39:16
Speaker 1: them are severe chronic health issues, but about ten percent
39:19
Speaker 1: of them just want to lift vibrantly. They're like, I'm
39:22
Speaker 1: doing good, I'm a biohacker, or everything is functioning fine,
39:27
Speaker 1: but I want to keep it that way. So those
39:30
Speaker 1: are the people, the unti aging population. I'm hoping as
39:34
Speaker 1: we mature as a medical system, right as modern medicine,
39:39
Speaker 1: that we're going to help people so much that they're
39:43
Speaker 1: going to be drasticly reduced number of chronic illnesses. So
39:46
Speaker 1: more and more people are just going to come in
39:48
Speaker 1: just to prevent I mean, that will be a really wonderful,
39:52
Speaker 1: wonderful how Yeah.
39:55
Speaker 3: And what about consciousness? I know that you talk about
39:58
Speaker 3: the different levels of consciousness and what does that mean exactly?
40:04
Speaker 3: What does that mean to you? What does it mean
40:06
Speaker 3: people think of when you say that?
40:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
40:10
Speaker 1: Think actually when I was a teenager, I read this
40:14
Speaker 1: book and it was talking about different levels of consciousness
40:17
Speaker 1: and how as human, as we evolve, even within within ourselves,
40:22
Speaker 1: you can start to reach different levels.
40:24
Speaker 2: So The first level is the ego, the self. It's
40:28
Speaker 2: all about you.
40:28
Speaker 1: It's all about getting you know, it's very animalistic, right,
40:32
Speaker 1: I get the food, you know, get some sleep.
40:34
Speaker 2: I just you know, it's all about this body.
40:36
Speaker 1: And then you start to rise up, you know, above
40:39
Speaker 1: what your your own little physical need. You start to
40:43
Speaker 1: to care about people around you. So that's the people
40:47
Speaker 1: who are immediately around you, right, you don't want to
40:50
Speaker 1: hurt your family. You want to have a great relationship
40:52
Speaker 1: with your friends or you know, people around you.
40:55
Speaker 2: And then one level.
40:56
Speaker 1: Up is is is community, is beyond your immediate surroundings.
41:01
Speaker 1: Is caring about a bigger, greater good, right, loving your
41:05
Speaker 1: you know, whatever community you're in your country. So and
41:09
Speaker 1: then the next level is more universal, you know, is
41:13
Speaker 1: more on the humanity and the spiritual level. So the
41:17
Speaker 1: last bit is the spiritual. It's even beyond humanity. I
41:20
Speaker 1: think if people don't know, you know that what that means.
41:25
Speaker 1: There are people who are willing to sacrifice their life
41:29
Speaker 1: because they know for something that that they know are real,
41:34
Speaker 1: because that that greater good to them is more meaningful
41:38
Speaker 1: than a very small, just individual life. Because they see
41:43
Speaker 1: much more about existence of consciousness, of what we really are.
41:48
Speaker 2: So we even though.
41:49
Speaker 1: We are, we seem like we're humans, but we're really
41:53
Speaker 1: way more than humans. We temporarily use this body to
41:57
Speaker 1: experience existence, but we're actually so much more. And I
42:02
Speaker 1: think at some point, you know, right now it sounds
42:05
Speaker 1: like you know something.
42:06
Speaker 2: That's a little you know out there. One day, I
42:11
Speaker 2: think we're.
42:11
Speaker 1: Just going to realize that's just part of this is
42:13
Speaker 1: part of life, this is what exist is about.
42:17
Speaker 2: So that's a rising consciousness.
42:18
Speaker 1: Right now, people are still wondering, oh, if I die,
42:23
Speaker 1: that's the end of it. But I think eventually people
42:26
Speaker 1: are going to realize that we're so much more than
42:29
Speaker 1: just the body this life.
42:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say, through my healing, I have discovered
42:35
Speaker 3: different levels of consciousness and action and it's pretty magnificent
42:43
Speaker 3: and just being being connected also and energetically differently.
42:50
Speaker 4: To nature, higher power source, whatever it is.
42:53
Speaker 3: And I know one of the ways that you talk
42:56
Speaker 3: about connectivity and consciousness is through meta meditation.
43:00
Speaker 4: And I know.
43:02
Speaker 3: That's you know, a lot of people say I can't meditate,
43:05
Speaker 3: and and I always say, well, we can all meditate.
43:08
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's a practice, right. And another
43:12
Speaker 4: thing that was life changing for you? Was Ki Jong?
43:14
Speaker 4: Can you share with us about.
43:17
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, America, we say, key Jong.
43:22
Speaker 4: I think made it very well.
43:27
Speaker 2: That's chie Gong.
43:30
Speaker 1: She is is energy right to chi and goal is
43:34
Speaker 1: the work, so it is energy work. So it's a
43:37
Speaker 1: Chinese form of meditation. So I think when I was eighteen,
43:43
Speaker 1: that's when I realized that this is really profound, that
43:45
Speaker 1: this is people are seeing incredible uh, incredible things, explaining
43:52
Speaker 1: incredible experiences or even gaining capabilities through this tapping into
43:57
Speaker 1: the energy. So I did start to meditate and wanting
44:02
Speaker 1: to tap into that that source. Haven't been as consistent,
44:08
Speaker 1: but I think we all have different forms of meditation.
44:10
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people would just be in nature and
44:14
Speaker 1: clearing your mind and you know you can reach certain states.
44:19
Speaker 1: But but she going is you know through different breathing.
44:23
Speaker 1: You know that's you know, breath work that you could
44:26
Speaker 1: reach different states.
44:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I went to S.
44:29
Speaker 1: Benzer's retreat and he's you know, he's practiced chigo, so
44:32
Speaker 1: you can call it.
44:33
Speaker 2: Whatever you know he does. You know it's from Cunelini.
44:37
Speaker 2: It's all. It's all the same thing.
44:38
Speaker 4: Or you love breath, yeah, yeah.
44:41
Speaker 2: Breath to get into a state.
44:44
Speaker 4: It's helped. It helped me a lot with trauma healing.
44:51
Speaker 4: So what is next for you?
44:53
Speaker 1: Well, after I got into stem cell therapy, at first,
44:58
Speaker 1: I just wanted to treat patients, because you know, that's
45:01
Speaker 1: what I was.
45:01
Speaker 2: I was a doctor.
45:03
Speaker 1: But what I realized very quickly was there are companies
45:06
Speaker 1: who are providing these stem cell products that I could
45:09
Speaker 1: not trust and I didn't understand. I was like, why
45:11
Speaker 1: are they doing things with integrity? Like I just to me,
45:17
Speaker 1: it's second nature, right, I'm gonna be honest. I'm going
45:20
Speaker 1: to do the very best I can for people. But
45:23
Speaker 1: I was puzzled. Why would they cut corners? Why would
45:26
Speaker 1: they produce a part products just to make more money? Like,
45:29
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense. So that's not how I live, right,
45:31
Speaker 1: That's just not my philosophy of life. My philosophy is
45:34
Speaker 1: you do the best you can, you give the world value,
45:37
Speaker 1: and you're honest. So because of my disappointment, I decided
45:41
Speaker 1: that it seemed because I tried to work with a
45:44
Speaker 1: few companies and I got really disappointed. I thought, Okay,
45:46
Speaker 1: it sounds like I just need to do it myself.
45:48
Speaker 1: So if I want to guarantee the quality of these
45:51
Speaker 1: stem cell products I'm putting into my body and my
45:53
Speaker 1: patient's body. Then I had to do it, and I
45:57
Speaker 1: so I actually ended up formulating stem cells product. So
46:01
Speaker 1: I have a unique combination of cells from the umblical cord,
46:07
Speaker 1: but from different compartments of the unblical cord. So this
46:10
Speaker 1: product is called char core. So that one I've used
46:13
Speaker 1: for the last eight years. It is absolutely, I think
46:16
Speaker 1: is the best product you know there is because I'm
46:20
Speaker 1: going along with what the science says. So not only
46:25
Speaker 1: I'm using native cells that have not been expanded, so
46:28
Speaker 1: they are potent on its own. You know, when you
46:31
Speaker 1: start expanding it like what they do in overseas countries,
46:35
Speaker 1: you're getting ended up getting a lot more potential for
46:37
Speaker 1: side effects because the cells start morph and grow different
46:42
Speaker 1: surface markers to mark themselves as foreign to the recipient.
46:45
Speaker 1: But also they lose potency. So I believe in conserving
46:50
Speaker 1: the quality of these cells by not allowing them to
46:54
Speaker 1: just start growing in the tissue culture, and then also
46:57
Speaker 1: bringing different types of cells together because they work synergious,
47:01
Speaker 1: lead together, they're in the human body together, and you know,
47:04
Speaker 1: before you extract them, I want to put back into
47:07
Speaker 1: the human body and also allowing all of them to
47:09
Speaker 1: be there to work together. So that's kind of you know,
47:12
Speaker 1: I started my own product, and what I realized is,
47:16
Speaker 1: you know, just giving the product to doctors is not
47:18
Speaker 1: enough because doctors don't know how to use them. So
47:21
Speaker 1: I really need to educate them. I need to educate
47:23
Speaker 1: them them on the science and on how to conduct
47:26
Speaker 1: the therapy. So that's how I started the academy, and
47:29
Speaker 1: then as an offshoot to the stem cell product, I
47:33
Speaker 1: ended up formulating cosmetic product. It's called Chowa on Me,
47:37
Speaker 1: which is a really phenomenal It's a skin cream that
47:40
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent natural, but also have stem cells
47:43
Speaker 1: and peptize in it, so.
47:44
Speaker 2: It's really phenomenal.
47:46
Speaker 1: So these are the four main things that I'm doing,
47:50
Speaker 1: But what I the next. What I want to do
47:52
Speaker 1: is to make the stem cell therapy more accessible to people.
47:58
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to you know, they want
48:00
Speaker 1: to come to California to Los Angeles to get treated,
48:04
Speaker 1: but it's difficult.
48:05
Speaker 2: So what if I can't deliver the treatment to them.
48:09
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm building next, is to have a
48:14
Speaker 1: network of providers that can deliver the stem cells to
48:19
Speaker 1: whatever people please.
48:21
Speaker 4: Let me know because I'm very interested.
48:24
Speaker 1: It's absolutely amazing. I mean, I've been doing stem cells
48:27
Speaker 1: on myself every three months for the last ten years.
48:30
Speaker 1: So what, you know, what I can show, what one
48:34
Speaker 1: thing is. I can show you pictures of how I
48:37
Speaker 1: looked twelve years ago to now.
48:40
Speaker 2: So oh thank you.
48:43
Speaker 1: I turned fifty five, like a few weeks ago. And
48:49
Speaker 1: it's funny people say, oh, of course you're Asian, so
48:51
Speaker 1: you don't age, and that's just such a bullshit. We
48:56
Speaker 1: do age if you don't take care of yourself age.
48:59
Speaker 1: But I aging twelve years ago, so I was forty three.
49:04
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I just thought I didn't like my pictures.
49:07
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't I don't like how it looks,
49:09
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't know why, but I
49:11
Speaker 1: just didn't like it. I thought it was the lighting.
49:13
Speaker 1: I thought it was on my camera until I started
49:15
Speaker 1: doing anti aging medicine and started, you know, doing stem
49:20
Speaker 1: cell therapy, and so literally I started to reverse in
49:24
Speaker 1: that manifest in your skin. So my skin looked way
49:28
Speaker 1: better and younger than how it was twelve years ago.
49:31
Speaker 1: So so there, and it's not just me, you know,
49:36
Speaker 1: with my pictures, but it's also science. You know, I
49:40
Speaker 1: have a lecture online about anti aging benefits of stem cells,
49:44
Speaker 1: and that's that shows you the studies what happens to
49:48
Speaker 1: animals because when they dissected the animals muscles and brain,
49:52
Speaker 1: they found out that every marker then mark the age
49:55
Speaker 1: of the cells was reverted to the younger state. So
49:59
Speaker 1: that that means the cells literally what's functioning as younger cell.
50:03
Speaker 1: So now we're truly we're reversing aging. Right, all your
50:06
Speaker 1: cells are younger and you're younger.
50:10
Speaker 3: So tell me, but tell me where the stem cells
50:12
Speaker 3: come from. I think that people will wonder where they
50:15
Speaker 3: come from, and is it coming from an animal? Is
50:18
Speaker 3: it coming from other humans? Like where's it coming from?
50:20
Speaker 1: There are companies, there are people who are using animals
50:23
Speaker 1: stem cells. To me, I'm not supportive of it because
50:27
Speaker 1: we've got perfectly good human cells. There's no reason for
50:30
Speaker 1: us to be using animal cells that can cause all
50:32
Speaker 1: kinds of rejection issues. But when it comes to humans,
50:37
Speaker 1: you can you know, these are the earlier cells or
50:40
Speaker 1: the more primitive cells, and we do still have them
50:43
Speaker 1: in the body, so you can get them out. You
50:45
Speaker 1: can get them out through fat extraction or bone marr extraction,
50:49
Speaker 1: but you can get all kinds of places. Mest for
50:52
Speaker 1: blood has stem cells, the dental pulp, even urine. There
50:56
Speaker 1: are people who are getting sent so there are stem
50:59
Speaker 1: cells everywhere, so you can get it out. But what
51:02
Speaker 1: I have found out through looking at all the research
51:05
Speaker 1: studies is that a younger source are more potent. So
51:08
Speaker 1: we can get these cells from the umbilical cord source.
51:12
Speaker 1: So of course you can use your own unblical cord
51:14
Speaker 1: if that was ever stored, or you can use the
51:18
Speaker 1: umblical cord from somebody else, from a newborn. So because
51:23
Speaker 1: of the comparisons of different aspects of how the cells function,
51:27
Speaker 1: is very clear that research has shown the umblical cord
51:30
Speaker 1: cells are superior to the cells that we can get
51:33
Speaker 1: from our own body, from the fat or bone mail.
51:36
Speaker 2: So that's what I do, that's what I use.
51:38
Speaker 1: And when I first saw the difference between what people
51:41
Speaker 1: are using, you know, from their own body fat and
51:44
Speaker 1: bone marrow and what's going on with mbolical cord. So
51:47
Speaker 1: that was ten years ago, only twenty percent of stem
51:49
Speaker 1: cell therapy was using this prenatal source. Actually, you know,
51:55
Speaker 1: a very small percentage was unblical cord there were a
51:58
Speaker 1: lot of amniotic fluid using growth factors from amiotic fluid,
52:03
Speaker 1: but the stem cells was a very small fraction, only
52:06
Speaker 1: about three percent.
52:07
Speaker 2: And I just knew. I said, you know, this is
52:09
Speaker 2: going to be flipped.
52:10
Speaker 1: We're going to be using way more unblical corese theemselves
52:13
Speaker 1: and lo and behold. Now more than fifty percent of
52:17
Speaker 1: therapies are done using umblical core cells instead of using
52:20
Speaker 1: a person's own. So the field has evolved because umblical
52:24
Speaker 1: core cells work better. They are just more vibrant, Their
52:28
Speaker 1: you know, capabilities is actually stronger. They also have less
52:32
Speaker 1: potential to cause cancer. This is fascinating. People think, oh,
52:35
Speaker 1: my own cells, my own cells, you'd be better because
52:38
Speaker 1: it's my own. But your own also has declined, is
52:42
Speaker 1: declined with you along with your using process, also has
52:47
Speaker 1: had exposure to all the tox toxic whatever toxins and
52:53
Speaker 1: infections and all these things that you know, cigarette, smoke, everything, right, alcohol,
52:57
Speaker 1: you drank, everything that you have done your life is
53:01
Speaker 1: going to manifest in these cells. So this is why
53:04
Speaker 1: glocal cord cells are are superior.
53:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did with both my children.
53:11
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot to mention. I'm sorry interrupt you, but
53:13
Speaker 1: your own cells. Because it's declined, it has less capability
53:17
Speaker 1: of recognizing cancer. So if we have any early cancer cells,
53:22
Speaker 1: these cells, when you put back into the body, it
53:25
Speaker 1: can make me grow. But if you have or derived themselves,
53:29
Speaker 1: it actually can make the cancer go away.
53:32
Speaker 2: So this is how different they are. Yeah, sorry interrupted,
53:36
Speaker 2: that's okay. I think about your own children.
53:38
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I I opted to have that done when
53:41
Speaker 3: they were both born. It was it was offered to
53:44
Speaker 3: me twenty years ago.
53:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah for.
53:49
Speaker 1: Them as a as a you know, it's kind of
53:52
Speaker 1: safe safety somewhere.
53:55
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Doctor Joy, thank you, thanks.
54:00
Speaker 3: So much for coming on Wake Up with Marcy and
54:03
Speaker 3: this has been such an incredible conversation, and thank you
54:06
Speaker 3: for taking us through your journey and now how you're
54:09
Speaker 3: helping others.
54:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so welcome.
54:13
Speaker 3: So for everyone out there, I'm going to put all
54:16
Speaker 3: of the links below, but please pick up her memoir
54:19
Speaker 3: Tiger of Beijing, and you can learn more about Chara
54:23
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54:27
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54:31
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54:39
Speaker 3: healing is possible because we are all put on this
54:44
Speaker 3: journey and sometimes we take wrong turns, but we can
54:48
Speaker 3: certainly get back on path. And I just want you
54:52
Speaker 3: to know that you are not broken, you are beginning
54:57
Speaker 3: and I will see you next Thursday with an all
54:59
Speaker 3: new episode. Thank you so much for joining today, Bye bye.