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The Kenny Report | 10 March · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 3: Kenny Report tonight. That caravan with explosives Police conclude it
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Speaker 3: was an elaborate anti Semitic fake terror plot, a hoax. Also,
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Speaker 3: the flood crisis continues in Queensland. We'll get the latest
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Speaker 3: on the situation and I'll show you some of the
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Speaker 3: disgraceful politicking around it. Because of all this, of course,
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Speaker 3: the federal election's been delayed, so we will get a budget,
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Speaker 3: which is bad news for us as the taxing and
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Speaker 3: spending runs out of control. Malcolm Turnbull slams Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: who hits back. What does this mean for tariffs on
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Speaker 3: Australian steel? Also the amazing life story of a former
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Speaker 3: top cop, the latest on the opinion polls, plus Sophie
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Speaker 3: Osworth in London, Gematon Uni and Caroline Derusso.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: The big news for this country over the weekend was
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Speaker 3: the Prime minister's Friday night declaration that he wouldn't be
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Speaker 3: calling the election because of the focus on ex tropical
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Speaker 3: cyclone Alfred Anthony Albanez.
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Speaker 1: He said, ill wait until May and that means we'll
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Speaker 1: get a budget.
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Speaker 3: I'll come to the storms and flooding and the ridiculous
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Speaker 3: politicking and climate posturing over that.
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Speaker 1: In a moment. But the economy is the main game.
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Speaker 3: The cost of living crisis, the housing crisis, the productivity drought.
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Speaker 1: And a budget in structural deficit.
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Speaker 3: These are the reasons that Labor delivering another budget is
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Speaker 3: a worry.
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Speaker 1: Sure, it means.
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Speaker 3: We'll get a fresh update on the country's economic future,
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Speaker 3: deficits as far as the eye can see, and debt soaring.
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Speaker 3: We showed you last week how the income tax take
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Speaker 3: had grown by thirty eight percent over the past three years.
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Speaker 3: That's near enough to an extra one hundred billion dollars
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Speaker 3: a year. The federal government is taking directly from taxpayers.
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Speaker 3: But the trouble is they're spending it all too, with
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Speaker 3: federal spending up thirty percent over the same period. On
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Speaker 3: top of all this, the Albeneesi labor government has announced
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Speaker 3: at least thirty billion dollars in extra spending in just
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Speaker 3: the past few weeks, and the coalition has matched most
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Speaker 3: of that. And now we face an election campaign where
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Speaker 3: Labor will throw more money around, and given they're stuck
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Speaker 3: delivering a budget. Now, no doubt they'll throw caution to
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Speaker 3: the wind and spend even more. They'll spend it as
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Speaker 3: cost of living assistance, but it'll be more spending. It
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Speaker 3: means you'll be stuck with higher taxes for longer and
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Speaker 3: your kids for that matter, higher inflation in the future too,
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Speaker 3: higher interest rates. These are inevitable consequences of overspending by governments.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the waste and the roots and.
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Speaker 3: The NDIS and other massive government programs continue without delivering
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Speaker 3: improved services. Unions are given more power, so the economy
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Speaker 3: becomes sluggish. Productivity is lagging, so we're getting poorer as
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Speaker 3: a nation. Power prices and taxes are higher than our
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Speaker 3: trading partners, so we're less competitive. Another thirty six thousand
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Speaker 3: federal public servants are employed, mainly working from home, creating
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Speaker 3: another drain on taxpayers. And now Albanezi Labor will have
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Speaker 3: one more budget to try to make more people dependent
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Speaker 3: on government handouts as they try to buy more votes.
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Speaker 4: My government will continue to work on a strong economy.
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Speaker 4: Our budget will represent the same responsible economic management that
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Speaker 4: we've been making a difference in getting that inflation down
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Speaker 4: whilst providing support for people who really needed it during
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Speaker 4: what are globally difficult economic times.
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Speaker 5: Thanks very much, oh dear.
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Speaker 3: This country needs economic repair and reform. A reckoning is
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Speaker 3: coming eventually, but make no mistake, having a budget in
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Speaker 3: the middle of this unofficial election campaign will only make
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Speaker 3: the situation worse.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: As for Alfred, yes, everyone prepared for the worst and
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Speaker 3: thankfully we didn't get it. It was pretty bad, of course,
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Speaker 3: and remains bad for many people. But the tropical cyclone
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Speaker 3: was downgraded to a storm before it crossed onto the land,
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Speaker 3: meaning we didn't get those cyclonic winds across Brisbane and
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Speaker 3: the Gold.
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Speaker 1: Coast as was feared.
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Speaker 3: Flooding has been severe, powers out to hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 3: of people still and the situation will remain difficult and
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Speaker 3: dangerous for days to come.
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Speaker 1: I'll cross the.
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Speaker 3: Queensland later, but we can't ignore the climate catastrophs, can we.
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Speaker 3: The people who pushed their political hobby horse drumming up
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Speaker 3: the fear and loathing, have a look at this from
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Speaker 3: the Climate Council.
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Speaker 6: I'm shattered to see cyclone Alfred barreling towards the Australian coast.
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Speaker 6: We're being asked a lot of questions about how climate
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Speaker 6: change has made Cyclone Alfred more destructive.
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Speaker 3: Zero dear, Now, this stuff is not only fear mongering
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Speaker 3: and opportunistic, it's just plain wrong.
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Speaker 6: We've known for a long time that climate change is
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Speaker 6: making extreme weather events in Australia and around the world worse,
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Speaker 6: and it's driven by climate pollution, the burning of coal,
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Speaker 6: oil and gas. So it's very upsetting to see such
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Speaker 6: a significant cyclone threatening Brisbane and the Northern Rivers right now,
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Speaker 6: and our thoughts are certainly with communities up in that region,
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Speaker 6: including a number of Climate Council staff.
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Speaker 7: We're just hoping and crossing our fingers that we've prepped
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Speaker 7: enough and that the damage won't be too bad. But
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Speaker 7: we do know that this cyclone is more intense, more
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Speaker 7: ferocious because of climate change.
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Speaker 3: You get the sense they were hoping it would be
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Speaker 3: more destructive, don't you, the cease being a cyclone. Of course,
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Speaker 3: before it crossed onto the mainland, the area faced much
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Speaker 3: worse back in the nineteen fifties from a cyclone and
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Speaker 3: there was no climate alarmism then. And as I showed
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Speaker 3: you last week, the science the facts, the data from
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Speaker 3: the IPCC shows that cyclones have become less common in
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Speaker 3: Australia over the past fifty years or more, and there's
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Speaker 3: no evidence they're more intense either.
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Speaker 1: So this stuff is garbage.
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Speaker 3: It's unadulterated propaganda from people who have an ideological or
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Speaker 3: political stake in ramping up climate change fear.
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Speaker 1: I reckon, it's reprehensible.
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Speaker 3: Most media just amplifies it, and of course even the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister exit along.
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Speaker 8: What we know.
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Speaker 4: The science tells us that there would be more extreme
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Speaker 4: weather events, they would be more frequent, and they'd be
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Speaker 4: more intense I than anyone who looks at the science
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Speaker 4: knows that that is what is occurring. So you can't
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Speaker 4: say this event is just because of climate change. What
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Speaker 4: you can say is that climate change is having an
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Speaker 4: impact on our weather patterns.
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Speaker 3: Why create a false impression white tell people what they're.
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Speaker 1: Seeing is new when it clearly isn't.
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Speaker 3: Why pretend that your policies that make our electricity supply
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Speaker 3: more expensive and less reliable we're actually going to have
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Speaker 3: any impact on the weather when the science, of course
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Speaker 3: demonstrates they can not. Have a listen to albou get
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Speaker 3: a bit befuddled though, when he even he admits that
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Speaker 3: we've always had natural disasters in this country.
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Speaker 4: We are a land, as MS Michel has said, a
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Speaker 4: long time ago, of floods and rains and wind.
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Speaker 3: Well I don't know about wind, but most Australians know that.
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Speaker 3: Dorothy and mckella said, we love a sunburned country, a
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Speaker 3: land of sweeping planes, of ragged mountain ranges, of drought.
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Speaker 1: And flooding rains.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've always had them and we always will. So
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Speaker 3: best try to take the politics out of it, I reckon,
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Speaker 3: which brings me to perhaps the most pathetic political attack
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Speaker 3: I've ever seen against a sitting politician. Labor have tried
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Speaker 3: to smear Peter Dutton because he dared to fly to
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Speaker 3: Sydney last Tuesday for meetings and a fundraiser before returning
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Speaker 3: to his Queensland home the following morning.
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Speaker 1: We recorded an interview with.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition leader early that afternoon last Wednesday, as he
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Speaker 3: was preparing for tropical cyclone Alfred. I think everyone's in
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Speaker 3: a preparation mode and just battening down and making sure
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Speaker 3: that no loose objects in the yard, and it's a
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Speaker 3: really important message to heat at the moment. The storm,
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Speaker 3: of course didn't hit for another four days and as
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Speaker 3: we speak Dutton's isolated by floodwaters at his farm as
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Speaker 3: he expected to be.
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Speaker 1: But have her listened to Labor?
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Speaker 9: You saw that he jetted off to a fundraiser at
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Speaker 9: Sydney Harbourside this week when his own community was actually
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Speaker 9: trying to get prepared for this event. So he was
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Speaker 9: filling Liberal Party money bags while his own community was
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Speaker 9: filling sandbags, which I think says a lot about him.
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Speaker 3: Can you believe these blokes, they're supposed to be running
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Speaker 3: the country and they're giving us this attacking Dutton for
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Speaker 3: daring to leave his state and return four days before
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Speaker 3: a cyclone. Would it have been okay to leave Queensland
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Speaker 3: on the Monday perhaps? What about the previous weekend? How
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Speaker 3: long before a cyclone are politicians grounded according to Labour's rules?
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Speaker 10: Murray?
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Speaker 5: What is his name?
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Speaker 1: What's he on about?
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Speaker 3: He's the Minister for Emergency Management and this is how
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Speaker 3: he spends his energies. What a sad excuse for a
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Speaker 3: political debate we have at times in this country. Now,
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Speaker 3: as I mentioned at the top, there's breaking us today
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Speaker 3: about that caravan plot. The Australian Federal Police say the
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Speaker 3: caravan bomb plot in Sydney's Northwest ostensibly targeting Jewish Australians
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Speaker 3: was part of a fabricated terrorist plot. They called it
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Speaker 3: a criminal con job. Hundreds of New South Wales and
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Speaker 3: federal police executed eleven search warrants and have arrested fourteen
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Speaker 3: people across Sydney.
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Speaker 1: And here's what the AFP had to say this afternoon.
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Speaker 8: Regardless of the motivation of those responsible for this fake plot,
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Speaker 8: this has had a chilling effect on the Jewish community.
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Speaker 8: This twisted, self serving criminality has terrorized Jewish Australians. What
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Speaker 8: organized crime has done to the Jewish community is reprehensible
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Speaker 8: and it won't go without consequence. There was also unwarranted
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Speaker 8: suspicion directed at other communities and that is also reprehensible.
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Speaker 3: Now, of course we'll bring you more details as they
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Speaker 3: come to hand on this issue, but police assure us
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Speaker 3: that there's no ongoing threat to the community from.
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Speaker 1: People associated with this hoax.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to Victoria now and catch up with a
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Speaker 3: liberal MP, Zoe Mackenzie, joining us live from Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Zoe, first up on this.
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Speaker 3: This always was an alarming case, but always seemed a
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Speaker 3: little intriguing. I suppose while it's created a lot of
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Speaker 3: concern and ongoing concern. I suppose it is a relief
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Speaker 3: to find out that it wasn't a plot to actually
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Speaker 3: conduct a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: It was a fabricated hoax if you like.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, that is a relief, But I think the point
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Speaker 11: still remains that at the relevant time or times as
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Speaker 11: it was being investigated, the Prime Minister was unaware. That
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Speaker 11: was our concern from the coalition side. What is going
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Speaker 11: on that's such a potential threat and a potential loss
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Speaker 11: of life is in no way communicated to the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister who who seems to be completely unaware of what's
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Speaker 11: going on. So I'm really glad to hear what has
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Speaker 11: been revealed by the AFP today. Obviously there'll be more
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Speaker 11: incoming days, but the premise still stands that the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister is weak when it comes to security.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're referring to the fact that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: has still refused to tell anybody when he was advised
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Speaker 3: of this plot. The new South Wales premier was advised
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Speaker 3: the day after the caravan was discovered, and Anthony Albanize
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Speaker 3: hasn't said when.
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Speaker 1: He was advised or if he was advised.
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Speaker 3: Now this being a fabricated event, a criminal con job
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Speaker 3: as the.
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Speaker 1: Police call it.
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Speaker 3: It's still very alarming because there was real explosives involved,
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Speaker 3: although there was no detonator.
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Speaker 11: But of course what we see is there being myriad
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Speaker 11: moments of just pure terror for our Jewish communities across Australia.
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Speaker 11: We've had a burnt synagogue here in Australia, You've had
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Speaker 11: to fail graffiti on people's homes in Sydney, repeatedly, repeatedly.
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Speaker 11: I'm grateful Chris Means, as the Premier of New South Wales,
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Speaker 11: has been very forthright in calling out these acts over
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Speaker 11: over a period of time. The Prime Minister has come
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Speaker 11: to the picture or be it very late, because frankly,
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Speaker 11: when these acts started back in October of twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister was almost silent every time he said
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Speaker 11: there's an instance of anti Semitism. He also mentioned Islamophobia.
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Speaker 11: But we know that the instances of antisemitism have been
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Speaker 11: over seven hundred percent in terms of the increase. Nevertheless,
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Speaker 11: I'm glad we have landed where we have today. I'm
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Speaker 11: glad there is no ongoing threat in relation to this incident.
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Speaker 11: I'm glad indeed that the Victorian, New South Welsh and
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Speaker 11: Federal police are working together to stamp out any future
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Speaker 11: potential activity.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to get your thoughts on Donald Trump taking
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Speaker 3: a swipe at Malcolm Turnbull. This is a serious international spat.
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Speaker 3: It could have ramifications for Australia's steel exports.
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Speaker 5: So let's go firstly to.
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Speaker 1: What triggered this.
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Speaker 3: It was an interview by Malcolm Turnbull into the US
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Speaker 3: on Bloomberger.
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Speaker 5: Have a look at some of that.
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Speaker 12: Trump does not subscribe to the same values we have
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Speaker 12: in the past shared with America. Look, he doesn't have
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Speaker 12: a commitment to the international rule of law, that's obvious.
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Speaker 12: Doesn't care about treaties or alliances. He's got a free
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Speaker 12: trade agreement with Canada and Mexico which he entered into
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Speaker 12: by the way he signed it. Then he's just walked
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Speaker 12: away from that.
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Speaker 3: So also in that interview, Malcolm Temble referred to this
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Speaker 3: issue of whether Australia can get exemptions on steel tariffs
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Speaker 3: we did when Turnbull was Prime Minister.
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Speaker 13: He says it will be harder now, Well, I'm wondering
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Speaker 13: how much harder again, because in response to that interview,
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Speaker 13: Donald Trump went on to social media he said, Malcolm Turnbull,
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Speaker 13: the former Prime Minister of Australia, has always been leading
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Speaker 13: that wonderful country from behind. He never understood what was
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Speaker 13: going on in nor did he have the capacity to
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Speaker 13: do so.
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Speaker 5: I always thought he was.
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Speaker 3: Weak and ineffective, and obviously Australians agree with me, Zoey mackenzie.
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Speaker 3: Does this make it even more unlikely that Australia will
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Speaker 3: get an exemption on steel tariffs? Or or Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: as unpredictable as he is, give us the exemptions to
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Speaker 3: despite Malcolm Turnbull.
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Speaker 11: Well, let me tell you, Chris, the only weak and
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Speaker 11: ineffective leadership that my electorate is focused on at the
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Speaker 11: moment is that of the Albanese government. We've got two
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Speaker 11: days now until we know whether we are or are
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Speaker 11: not going to be affected by these tariffs. It is
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Speaker 11: directly relevant to my electorate. I have Blue Scope in
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Speaker 11: my electorate about eighty kilometers across the other side on
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Speaker 11: the western port side of my electorate, so it is
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Speaker 11: actually really important here. We need to know if we
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Speaker 11: are or are not going to get an exemption. Yes,
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Speaker 11: the Coalition government got that exemption last time around, and
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Speaker 11: here we have Don Farrell saying maybe maybe not. I
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Speaker 11: don't know. Richard Marlins has turned up with a big check.
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Speaker 11: But still at this point in time Australia has no
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Speaker 11: certainty where it will stand, and at the same time,
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Speaker 11: may I say, no certainty into the things that really
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Speaker 11: matter to them, which go to cost of living. Be
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Speaker 11: very interesting to see what comes out in the budget.
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Speaker 11: But frankly, most people are worried about thirty five percent
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Speaker 11: increases on eggs and eighteen percent increase on milk.
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Speaker 1: Just outurageous?
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Speaker 3: Is your former Liberal leader, Malcolm term although helping or
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Speaker 3: hindering Australia's efforts here.
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Speaker 11: Not to be fair, I'm not watching Bloomberg. I'm focusing
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Speaker 11: on the views of my electric Chris and may I
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Speaker 11: say they are worried about Anthony Alberesi and his leadership
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Speaker 11: of the Australian economy. That anything Malcolm may Or may
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Speaker 11: not have said today.
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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us, Zoe Zoey mackenzie there in Flinders.
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Speaker 1: We'll keep on that issue because.
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Speaker 3: As is Zoe Mackenzie said there, we should know in
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Speaker 3: a couple of days whether or not Australia has managed
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Speaker 3: to get that exemption.
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Speaker 1: Let's stick with matters.
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Speaker 3: Economic now though, and go to Dmitri Berstein, who's eminence
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Speaker 3: advisory Economisty joins me.
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Speaker 1: Now O alive from Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Good to speak with you.
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Speaker 5: Nice to see you, Chris.
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Speaker 3: Look, I just want to get back to the budget, right,
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Speaker 3: I just want to get your thoughts on the idea
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Speaker 3: now that we will have a budget this year obviously,
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Speaker 3: is it completely thrown into a pre election context. Will
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Speaker 3: be virtually the ALP launch for this election. Now, the
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Speaker 3: March twenty five budget, does that hold any concerns for you?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Yes, for sure. I mean it won't be a sea
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Speaker 10: of red or be a fiscal blood bath. The budget's
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Speaker 10: completely out of control and with an election coming up,
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Speaker 10: it's it's going to be really ugly. And the most
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Speaker 10: concerning thing is they're putting the government and the opposition too,
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Speaker 10: are putting it on a generation of children and young
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Speaker 10: people who don't have the luxury of voting at the moment.
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Speaker 10: They're going to be stuck with this credit card bill.
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Speaker 10: If you have a look at the Australian Office of
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Speaker 10: Financial Management today, Australia's gross debt is nine hundred and
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Speaker 10: fifty one billion dollars. Despite claims of budget surpluses and
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Speaker 10: record tax takes. That's still sixty billion dollars more than
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Speaker 10: it was when the Albanesi government was elected. We're only
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Speaker 10: a few months away from a trillion dollars of debt
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Speaker 10: that will have to be repaid by our children and grandchildren.
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Speaker 3: So a trillion dollars of debt budget deficits as far
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Speaker 3: as the eye can see. Therefore no opportunity really to
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Speaker 3: see our tax burden coming down in the near or
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Speaker 3: medium term. But because there's an election, of course Jim
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Speaker 3: Chalmers and Anthony Albanezi will throw more money around. They'll
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Speaker 3: call it cost of living assistance and whatever. They'll present
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Speaker 3: some rosy picture and the pressure will be on the
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Speaker 3: coalition to see whether they can oppose this or perhaps
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Speaker 3: match it. I mean, I just think they're going to
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Speaker 3: set us up for failure as a country over the
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Speaker 3: next few years if someone doesn't actually grab the metal
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Speaker 3: here and decide that we're living beyond our means.
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Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, Chris. But the issue is not looking at
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Speaker 10: what they you spending is let's have a look at
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Speaker 10: what the existing spending is. Yes, they'll spend ten twenty
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Speaker 10: thirty billion dollars for the election, but there's like seven
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Speaker 10: hundred billion dollars baked into the budget already. I mean,
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Speaker 10: one of the fastest growing items, as you mentioned, is
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Speaker 10: the NDIS. Now today there are six hundred and eighty
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Speaker 10: thousand participants of the NDIS. A few weeks ago, the
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Speaker 10: new Minister for NDIS, Amanda Rishworth, said there are five
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Speaker 10: point five million Australians who were disabled. Now do we
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Speaker 10: honestly think that that number of participants of six hundred
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Speaker 10: and eighty thousand is going to go up or down?
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Speaker 10: Do we honestly think that the growth rate of the NDIS,
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Speaker 10: currently set for eight to ten percent, is actually going
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Speaker 10: to go down. It's inconceivable. And as was mentioned, it's
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Speaker 10: sent estimates last week eighty three percent of the jobs
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Speaker 10: created last year were in the non market economy. That
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Speaker 10: means public servants mostly and care economy workers three percent.
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Speaker 10: The public excuse me, the private economy, the generator of
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Speaker 10: prosperity and wealth in this nation, is being asphyxiated so
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Speaker 10: to finance the non market economy.
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Speaker 3: That's an extraordinary situation, an absolutely extraordinary situation.
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Speaker 1: And the NDIS on its own could be driving.
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Speaker 5: A lot of this.
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Speaker 3: In terms of putting pressure on the labor market by
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Speaker 3: so many people being employed by the NDIS and taking
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Speaker 3: them away from the productive parts of the economy.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Chris. I mean six hundred and eighty thousand people,
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Speaker 10: of which more than half I add are under under
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Speaker 10: the age of eighteen, So yes, there are. I mean
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Speaker 10: there was an item in the news court papers a
20:41
Speaker 10: few months ago where there was a photo of a
20:44
Speaker 10: community fish and chip shop that was advertising both under
20:48
Speaker 10: the counter cigarettes and NDIS plan management. I mean, is
20:51
Speaker 10: there a better metaphor for the state of the Australian
20:54
Speaker 10: economy than that?
20:55
Speaker 1: Good Lord, it's depressing.
20:57
Speaker 3: It is very depressing, indeed, But thanks for mapping out
21:00
Speaker 3: for Dimitri.
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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
21:01
Speaker 3: Dmitriy Berstein there, who's from Eminence Advisory.
21:05
Speaker 5: Now, as I mentioned a.
21:06
Speaker 3: Moment ago, flooding from extratropical Cyclone Alfred has been severe
21:10
Speaker 3: and power is out to hundreds of thousands of people
21:12
Speaker 3: in Queensland and northern New South Wales. That's get the
21:14
Speaker 3: latest from Josh Bristow, our reporter in Brisbane.
21:18
Speaker 5: How's it shaping up there, Josh?
21:19
Speaker 3: Have we seen the worst of it or some areas
21:22
Speaker 3: still breaks for more flood?
21:26
Speaker 5: I hope.
21:26
Speaker 14: So Chris, good to join you as I think if
21:28
Speaker 14: you can see behind me, the rain has finally started
21:32
Speaker 14: to clear and we're all sort of stretching our legs.
21:34
Speaker 14: We've been trapped inside for the last couple of days
21:37
Speaker 14: here in Brisbane. There's certainly a big sigh of relief,
21:41
Speaker 14: I'll say, Chris, because not to say that people haven't
21:44
Speaker 14: been affected, but if you think what was predicted in
21:47
Speaker 14: that Britain was going to face the full brand of
21:49
Speaker 14: a category two cyclone head on. We were preparing for
21:52
Speaker 14: that for about a week. That certainly didn't happen. It's
21:55
Speaker 14: a bit of relief there. But yes, we are all
21:57
Speaker 14: pretty relieved to be out and about and hope hopefully
22:00
Speaker 14: drying out over the next couple of days. I know
22:03
Speaker 14: the Brisbane River behind me is usually nice and blue,
22:06
Speaker 14: but it's probably even browner than it is usual. But
22:08
Speaker 14: that's probably the worst of it here in the middle
22:11
Speaker 14: of the Brisbane CVD.
22:12
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:12
Speaker 3: Look, I mean it's a great thing that everybody prepared
22:15
Speaker 3: for the worst and you didn't get the worst, so
22:17
Speaker 3: that is a good thing. But it's been very difficult
22:19
Speaker 3: for many people. And west of where you are is where.
22:23
Speaker 1: The most concerned has been recently.
22:25
Speaker 3: What's the latest in Ipswich and to Woombur in the
22:28
Speaker 3: Lochier Valley.
22:31
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, certainly not out of the woods just yet.
22:34
Speaker 14: You are right, as the remnants of x Tropical Cyclone
22:37
Speaker 14: Alfred continued to move west and to the south and
22:41
Speaker 14: the west of Bristoane, there certainly are still some major
22:44
Speaker 14: flood warnings in place, the main ones being the Bremer River,
22:48
Speaker 14: the Laidley River and the Lockier River, plus the Logan River.
22:51
Speaker 14: That's as you said, sort of all to the south
22:53
Speaker 14: and west of Britain. There are still major flood warnings
22:56
Speaker 14: in there and authorities are telling people to still stay
22:59
Speaker 14: sheltered in a safe place if they can do so,
23:02
Speaker 14: and there are up to eleven other minor flood warnings.
23:05
Speaker 14: So if you are in and around those areas south
23:09
Speaker 14: and west of Brisbane, I'd advise everyone to hop onto
23:11
Speaker 14: the bomb website for the latest information.
23:13
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Josh, thanks for that, Josh Bristow, the Queensland
23:17
Speaker 3: Reporter giving.
23:17
Speaker 5: Us that update.
23:18
Speaker 3: Of course, we're workers frantically reconnecting power to hundreds of
23:22
Speaker 3: thousands of people in Queensland too.
23:24
Speaker 5: We're going to get to a break.
23:25
Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we're going to catch
23:26
Speaker 3: up with the remarkable life story of a former top
23:30
Speaker 3: New South Wales policeman, Nick Caldie.
23:32
Speaker 1: He's got a book out.
23:33
Speaker 3: I can't wait to pick his brains about some of
23:35
Speaker 3: the issues we're facing in the.
23:37
Speaker 1: Here and now.
23:42
Speaker 3: Now, my next guest has had a remarkable life and
23:45
Speaker 3: career highly relevant to some of the toughest issues at
23:48
Speaker 3: home and abroad right now. Nick Caldie was born in Egypt,
23:52
Speaker 3: migrated to Australia with his family when he was twelve,
23:55
Speaker 3: and served in the New South Wales Police Force for
23:57
Speaker 3: thirty five years, rising to the rank of Deputy Commissioner.
24:02
Speaker 5: He's written a new.
24:02
Speaker 3: Book about his life Behind the Badge, The remarkable and
24:06
Speaker 3: compelling true story of a boy from Egypt who became
24:09
Speaker 3: one of Australia's most senior police officers.
24:12
Speaker 1: It's available now and.
24:13
Speaker 3: I'm pleased to say Nick carteris joins Who've got to
24:15
Speaker 3: copy of the book here too, Nick, congratulations on the book.
24:19
Speaker 3: My introduction only it's a tiny part of the story,
24:23
Speaker 3: right because what I think find most fascinating about your
24:25
Speaker 3: life story is you came from those streets of Cairo,
24:29
Speaker 3: a new life as a kid in Australia, a senior
24:32
Speaker 3: policeman here. But a couple of times you've gone back
24:36
Speaker 3: to the Middle East, be it in Lebanon or Syria
24:39
Speaker 3: or even in Gaza, and got involved in fighting crime
24:44
Speaker 3: and investigating issues back there.
24:45
Speaker 1: You love a hogspot, don't you.
24:50
Speaker 15: Yeah, You've got to be careful that there's a saying
24:52
Speaker 15: in the United Nations they say you become a mission junkie,
24:55
Speaker 15: where you become addicted to the mission. But you've made
24:57
Speaker 15: a very good point, Chris, and I make the point
24:59
Speaker 15: in the book that my parents kind of fled Egypt
25:02
Speaker 15: after the Sixth Day War, fleeing conflict and what have you.
25:05
Speaker 15: But I've spent a fair bit of my life diving
25:07
Speaker 15: back in, so I've gone in the opposite direction. But
25:10
Speaker 15: I've been blessed. I've had a tremendous career with the
25:12
Speaker 15: New Southwest Police. I do regret one day, and I've
25:14
Speaker 15: worked with some terrific people, both here and overseas. So
25:17
Speaker 15: I look back on it fondly, and I guess part
25:19
Speaker 15: of me just wanted to leave a legacy for my
25:21
Speaker 15: kids and grandkids and great grandkids, and this documents our
25:24
Speaker 15: journey from Upper Egypt to Cairo and from Cairo to Sydney.
25:28
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that part of the journey. First, Egypt
25:31
Speaker 3: to Australia. You came here when you're old enough to
25:33
Speaker 3: know the substantial difference and see what Australia could offer.
25:37
Speaker 3: And then through your career as a police officer, you
25:40
Speaker 3: would have seen the best and worst of Australians.
25:42
Speaker 1: And why do you learn through that process.
25:46
Speaker 15: I think my father obviously felt that our future was
25:50
Speaker 15: much better here than it was in Egypt at the time.
25:53
Speaker 15: Egypt was in a bit of a run after the
25:55
Speaker 15: Sixth Day War and so on. The economy primarily was
25:59
Speaker 15: struggling in all of that. So I guess one of
26:02
Speaker 15: the lessons I've learned is that we've got to value
26:04
Speaker 15: what we've got here. Australia is the lucky country in
26:08
Speaker 15: many ways, but it's not all luck. It's because people
26:10
Speaker 15: are the community is are cohesive, there's a lot of goodwill.
26:15
Speaker 15: I know we're going through testing times at the moment,
26:17
Speaker 15: but I've always urged people to think about what we've
26:21
Speaker 15: got here, value it and protect it.
26:23
Speaker 3: Well, we're seeing people slaughtered in Syria as we speak.
26:27
Speaker 3: We all know what's been happening in Gaza, the ongoing
26:29
Speaker 3: war there. You've worked for the United Nations in Gaza,
26:33
Speaker 3: you've investigated crimes in Syria. It must break your heart
26:40
Speaker 3: knowing those issues so intimately, to see them reflected in
26:45
Speaker 3: hatred back in Australia.
26:47
Speaker 15: I think you'd have to be in human not to feel,
26:50
Speaker 15: obviously for the hurt, the absolute hurt that's going on
26:53
Speaker 15: in the Middle East at the moment and in other
26:55
Speaker 15: places like Ukraine and Sudan and so on. But I
27:00
Speaker 15: played a fairly leading role on behalf of New southwast
27:02
Speaker 15: Police in community engagement with all the different communities for
27:05
Speaker 15: probably best part of fifteen years. And my mantra then
27:09
Speaker 15: is that you know, we have to value what we've
27:11
Speaker 15: got here. It is a wonderful country. It's given us
27:14
Speaker 15: all the opportunity to get on and we can't not
27:18
Speaker 15: destroy it but damage it in any way by feeling
27:21
Speaker 15: very strongly about what happens they over seas. Of course,
27:24
Speaker 15: we have to understand there are many people who feel
27:27
Speaker 15: very very strongly and they've got their kin and their
27:29
Speaker 15: loved ones over there who may be hurting in all directions.
27:33
Speaker 15: That's fine, and we would all protect the right for
27:36
Speaker 15: peaceful people to peacefully demonstrate. But the bottom line is
27:40
Speaker 15: it shouldn't go any further than that.
27:43
Speaker 3: We've had this rising tide of anti Semitism. It's been
27:46
Speaker 3: horrendous in this country. Fire bombings, synagogue burned. Where have
27:51
Speaker 3: police gone wrong in this country in tackling that anti Semitism?
27:55
Speaker 3: I go back to October the eighth, twenty twenty three,
27:58
Speaker 3: when we had Shake.
27:59
Speaker 1: The Dune in Lakember.
28:01
Speaker 3: Celebrating the slaughter of the Israelis, and of course the
28:04
Speaker 3: next night they chanting at the Opera House.
28:06
Speaker 1: Did the police miss a.
28:07
Speaker 3: Beat by not stamping down firmly on those aspects immediately?
28:12
Speaker 15: I think one of the mistakes we all make, and
28:14
Speaker 15: I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm the worst offender. We tend
28:18
Speaker 15: to gravitate towards a law enforcement solution. You can't arrest
28:22
Speaker 15: your way out of some of these problems. There's societal
28:24
Speaker 15: issues where society has not really dealt with some of
28:27
Speaker 15: the hatreds and other problems that are bubbling beneath the surface.
28:31
Speaker 15: It can't just be a police problem. In many ways, Chris,
28:34
Speaker 15: the police are like the ambulance at the bottom of
28:36
Speaker 15: the cliff. By the time they get involved to make
28:38
Speaker 15: an arrest or solve a crime or whatever, it's too
28:42
Speaker 15: late in a sense.
28:42
Speaker 3: Sure, But you're so experienced at the law enforcement end.
28:46
Speaker 3: Could you imagine yourself as a leader tolerating shape to
28:50
Speaker 3: done just celebrating the slaughter of people.
28:53
Speaker 1: Isn't that tantamount to incitement?
28:55
Speaker 15: I'd say so, yeah, And the bottom line is it's
29:00
Speaker 15: difficult for anyone to do something about that until it
29:03
Speaker 15: actually happens. I don't think anyone saw it coming. I
29:05
Speaker 15: don't think anyone saw what's come after Taber seven coming
29:10
Speaker 15: at us. But I do feel that the police sometimes
29:12
Speaker 15: get the blame when in reality society needs to deal
29:15
Speaker 15: with these issues on a much broader basis in terms
29:18
Speaker 15: of prevention, in terms of making sure that people are
29:20
Speaker 15: inculcated against the radicalization process.
29:23
Speaker 3: Are you optimistic about social cohesion in Australia in the future.
29:28
Speaker 15: By and large, I think. I mean I have a
29:30
Speaker 15: role in Molticulture and New South Wales as well, and
29:33
Speaker 15: through that I am very very optimistic about We have
29:35
Speaker 15: our basics here. Ninety nine point nine percent of people
29:39
Speaker 15: live harmoniously and want to get on with their lives.
29:41
Speaker 15: There will always be a minority in whatever direction which
29:44
Speaker 15: are problem children who will cause issues. We can't let
29:47
Speaker 15: that ruin it for everyone else either. I mean, we
29:49
Speaker 15: shouldn't have to.
29:50
Speaker 3: React, but suggesting that we should have been more proactive
29:55
Speaker 3: in perhaps prosecuting some of these more public displays, not
29:59
Speaker 3: just prosecuting.
30:00
Speaker 15: Secuting is certainly one tool available to government and law enforcement,
30:04
Speaker 15: but simply in the terms of engagement and running programs,
30:08
Speaker 15: talking to people, pulsing the community if you like, just
30:11
Speaker 15: seeing who's saying what, is it accurate or not. All
30:14
Speaker 15: of those things.
30:15
Speaker 1: Are important, but they're doing enough of that now.
30:17
Speaker 15: I think there's a lot of that goes on back
30:18
Speaker 15: at from federal level and certainly at state level. There
30:21
Speaker 15: are many programs and gatherings if you like, in forums
30:25
Speaker 15: to allow people to vent them to speak about these issues.
30:29
Speaker 15: But at the end of the day, it is not
30:31
Speaker 15: just to lock them up and throw away the keys
30:34
Speaker 15: from them.
30:34
Speaker 16: Yeah.
30:35
Speaker 3: Well, fascinating stuff, Nick, great to get your thoughts on it.
30:38
Speaker 3: The book is here behind the badge from Nick cawterers.
30:41
Speaker 3: I appreciate it was Once Deputy commission a lot of
30:44
Speaker 3: people said you should have been commissioned, but we'll talk
30:46
Speaker 3: about that another time.
30:47
Speaker 5: Thanks very much for joining us. Thanks very Now we're
30:49
Speaker 5: going to get to a break.
30:50
Speaker 1: On the other side, we'll talk about this delayed election.
30:52
Speaker 5: What are the.
30:53
Speaker 3: Polls telling us former Labour Center that John Black joins
30:56
Speaker 3: me next alls the BBC giving extra cash to managers
31:00
Speaker 3: from diverse backgrounds. Yes, so we're going to get a
31:07
Speaker 3: budget this year and then we're going to have a
31:09
Speaker 3: federal election in May. News poll came out the overn
31:13
Speaker 3: Idol this morning, the Australian's news Pole, the most respected
31:17
Speaker 3: poll in the country.
31:18
Speaker 1: Not much changed there.
31:19
Speaker 3: Here's how Pete Stephanovick reported it for Sky this morning.
31:23
Speaker 2: Voters don't believe the opposition is ready to govern again.
31:26
Speaker 2: According to a new News poll out today, the major
31:29
Speaker 2: parties have seen a slight increase in their primary vote.
31:32
Speaker 2: The Coalition remains in the lead at thirty nine percent
31:35
Speaker 2: to Labour's thirty two percent. The Coalition maintains also a
31:39
Speaker 2: fifty one to forty nine percent two party preferred lead
31:41
Speaker 2: over Labor. Voters were asked whether they believe a coalition
31:44
Speaker 2: led by Peter Dutton was ready to govern Australia at
31:47
Speaker 2: fifty five percent say they are not confident the Liberal
31:51
Speaker 2: and Nationals should return to power.
31:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's bring in polling analyst and former Labour senator
31:58
Speaker 3: John Black, joining us live from Brisbane. Good to talk
32:00
Speaker 3: to you again, John. Really no change in those news
32:03
Speaker 3: poll numbers. You're talking about trend being someone's friend.
32:07
Speaker 5: Well, it's just a pause, there isn't that.
32:09
Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, it's pretty much business as usual, although there
32:12
Speaker 17: has been some relatively good news on the GDP per
32:15
Speaker 17: capita front and also interest rates for the government. So
32:18
Speaker 17: we're seeing a slight increase in the popularity of the government,
32:22
Speaker 17: but equally for the coalition. So people look to me
32:25
Speaker 17: like they're making up their minds and as you're earlier
32:29
Speaker 17: speakers of Indicator, there's some reservations about whether or not
32:32
Speaker 17: done and it's ready to govern.
32:35
Speaker 18: The opposition hasn't yet laid claim to sufficient demographics to
32:40
Speaker 18: harness the votes that are being lost by the Labor Party.
32:43
Speaker 16: Big losses for the Labor Party in Werribe in Victoria
32:47
Speaker 16: the by elections there. Equally, there were big losses around
32:50
Speaker 16: about seventeen percent plus in Western Australia, but the Liberal
32:54
Speaker 16: Party at the state and federal level seems are not
32:57
Speaker 16: able to harness all those grids back.
33:00
Speaker 5: To West Australia in a moment.
33:01
Speaker 3: But just on this the better economic news as you
33:05
Speaker 3: mentioned also tropical cyclone ol for it.
33:08
Speaker 5: It's not about politics, as you will.
33:10
Speaker 3: Know living in Brisbane, it's about a very real threat
33:12
Speaker 3: to that community. But regardless, it has allowed Anthony Albernezi
33:16
Speaker 3: to be front and center talking about something that matters
33:19
Speaker 3: to people for one of a better words, showing leadership
33:23
Speaker 3: for four or five days straight. That's probably just what
33:25
Speaker 3: he needs and that puts Peter Dutton into the shade
33:28
Speaker 3: a bit. Do you think this has probably helped him?
33:31
Speaker 3: And that might may even be reflected in those NEWSPOPT numbers.
33:34
Speaker 18: But there's a saying in politics and every want always
33:37
Speaker 18: to good crisis, and whether it's a conflict, an armed
33:40
Speaker 18: conflict or whether it's a natural disaster. When the elected
33:44
Speaker 18: leaders get from center, they always pick up the votes. Chris,
33:47
Speaker 18: There's no doubt about it, and they tend to be
33:50
Speaker 18: pretty active in doing it. We saw CHRISO Foley doing
33:53
Speaker 18: that for the LNGP here at a state level and
33:56
Speaker 18: he was quite successful at it, and then after a
33:58
Speaker 18: while we saw him join by Anthony Alberisi putting on
34:02
Speaker 18: the waterproof jacket there and yeah, doing the same sort
34:05
Speaker 18: of thing. So all the evidence is that people do
34:08
Speaker 18: rally around the leader when times are tough, and they
34:11
Speaker 18: were pretty tough over the last week or so up
34:13
Speaker 18: here in Brisbane.
34:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
34:16
Speaker 3: Now I think we take on board exactly what you
34:18
Speaker 3: say about Peter Dutton the challenge for the coalition to
34:22
Speaker 3: bring the vote towards them. It's easy to get people
34:25
Speaker 3: to fall off Labor at the moment, but to actually
34:28
Speaker 3: solidify them around the coalition and Peter Dutton is the challenge.
34:32
Speaker 5: So what do you read out of the.
34:34
Speaker 3: West Australian Pole where the Liberals did didn't do as
34:38
Speaker 3: well as that hope.
34:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, there.
34:41
Speaker 18: Was a big swing of around about eighteen percent against
34:44
Speaker 18: the ALP in terms of their primary vote. Mind you,
34:47
Speaker 18: it was coming from pretty straps Fary heights, but it
34:50
Speaker 18: did pull back to around about fifty to fifty seven
34:53
Speaker 18: to fifty nine percent, So it was a big swing
34:56
Speaker 18: and the Liberals only picked up about six or seven
34:58
Speaker 18: percent of that. A lot of the votes free to
35:01
Speaker 18: the Greens or to the Cannabis Party, to One Nation
35:05
Speaker 18: and that sort of thing. So there seems to be
35:07
Speaker 18: a lack of traction from the Liberal Party in regaining
35:11
Speaker 18: support from its older, wealthier voters.
35:14
Speaker 17: They're still staying.
35:17
Speaker 18: With some allegiance if you like, to the Teals and
35:20
Speaker 18: to send a left sort of parties. They're not drifting
35:23
Speaker 18: back to the Liberals in the numbers that the Liberals
35:26
Speaker 18: need to hold onto those seats and to regain them
35:28
Speaker 18: from the Teals. But also they'd have to be concerned
35:33
Speaker 18: about not winning enough votes in the out of suburbs.
35:36
Speaker 17: Where the Labor Party is shedding.
35:38
Speaker 18: Former Labor votes. There's no doubt about that. From all
35:41
Speaker 18: of the poles that I've been looking at, not just
35:43
Speaker 18: the News pole, but certainly all the mrp poles from
35:47
Speaker 18: red Bridge and from you Gov and so on, they're
35:49
Speaker 18: all showing a loss of support for the Labor Party
35:52
Speaker 18: in its hard land seats in the inner cities, but
35:55
Speaker 18: also from the predominantly migrant seats in the out of suburbs.
35:59
Speaker 18: We saw that reflected again as I said, and where
36:02
Speaker 18: ab but also in Western Australia last weekend.
36:06
Speaker 5: Thanks for that, John, appreciate it.
36:07
Speaker 3: John Black, their polling analyst and former Labor senator. The
36:11
Speaker 3: jobs there to be done for the Coalition labor on
36:13
Speaker 3: the nose, but the Coalition yet to seal the deal
36:16
Speaker 3: when it comes to winning people's support.
36:18
Speaker 5: We'll see what happens when.
36:19
Speaker 1: The pole is actually called.
36:21
Speaker 3: Let's go to London now and catch up with Sophie Orsworth,
36:23
Speaker 3: the News Corp Europe Correspondence.
36:26
Speaker 1: She joins us live from the UK capital.
36:28
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you to Sophie outside the BBC.
36:32
Speaker 3: I was struck by a couple of stories emanating from
36:35
Speaker 3: the BBC lately that could almost be carbon copies of
36:39
Speaker 3: stories that we've run here in Australia about the ABC.
36:41
Speaker 5: In recent years.
36:43
Speaker 3: One of them with the new chair of the BBC
36:45
Speaker 3: saying they need to get a broader spectrum of people
36:49
Speaker 3: employed by the BBC, Fewer TOFs and more people from
36:52
Speaker 3: sort of mainstream or working class England.
36:55
Speaker 19: Tell us about that, really interesting, Chris, the new changing
36:59
Speaker 19: into you with the Times of London, and he basically
37:02
Speaker 19: said that the BBC needs to make a few serious
37:05
Speaker 19: changes and one of those which you'll be very interested Chris,
37:09
Speaker 19: is that there needs to be more diversity of thought.
37:12
Speaker 19: He said, they need to own their mistakes when they
37:15
Speaker 19: stuff up. They need to call this out and they've
37:17
Speaker 19: actually just behind me can see there's ballards and some
37:21
Speaker 19: sheeting there. They've actually had to put that up in Reese.
37:25
Speaker 19: In the last week or so, they've had so many
37:27
Speaker 19: people down here, Chris protesting because they ran a documentary
37:32
Speaker 19: that had the son of a Hamass minister narrating that
37:35
Speaker 19: documentary and that's now led to a scandal that's engulfed
37:38
Speaker 19: the BBC. So this is bad press for the BBC,
37:42
Speaker 19: and how this documentary aired. No one is coming up
37:46
Speaker 19: clean on how this actually happened. So they've launched an investigation.
37:50
Speaker 19: But the new chair is saying there must be many
37:52
Speaker 19: changes at the BBC.
37:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, strong parallels with the ABC, of course, lack of
37:58
Speaker 3: diversity of thought in the organization, green left agenda, anti
38:03
Speaker 3: Israel agenda, as you allude to.
38:05
Speaker 5: With that documentary. But there's the new chair.
38:08
Speaker 1: Is he talking about diversity of thought?
38:11
Speaker 5: I mean, because we're all often here.
38:12
Speaker 3: We need more women, were all, more migrants, more people
38:16
Speaker 3: of various sexual backgrounds or whatever. Sure, all well and good,
38:19
Speaker 3: that sort of diversity shouldn't really matter. What they need,
38:21
Speaker 3: surely is a diversity of philosophy or outlook of ideas well.
38:29
Speaker 19: Absolutely he has said that, he said, there needs to
38:32
Speaker 19: me be more diversity of thought, not just box ticking
38:36
Speaker 19: what gender you are, what ethnicity, and so that is
38:39
Speaker 19: something that I think perhaps the ABC might want to
38:41
Speaker 19: pay attention.
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Speaker 1: To absolutely that they need.
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Speaker 19: More diversity of thought, Chris. And this is something you
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Speaker 19: and I have been talking about for years now, and
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Speaker 19: that the ABC is constantly called out for lacking this
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Speaker 19: diversity of thought inside the bubble that is the ABC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting message there actually for Hugh Marx, the former
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Speaker 3: Channel nine who takes over at the ABC today as
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Speaker 3: the new managing director. But the BBC also reports that
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Speaker 3: they're paying people who are hired because of diversity quotas
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Speaker 3: they get extra pay because of that.
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Speaker 5: How does that work?
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 19: There was a report here in London on the weekend
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Speaker 19: that if you're from certain groups LGBT or female, Chris,
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Speaker 19: So good news for people up myself, you get paid more.
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Speaker 19: Now I think a lot of people will question this.
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Speaker 19: Shouldn't it come back to who is best for the job,
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Speaker 19: not what box they tick? So this is another report
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Speaker 19: that came out on the weekend in there annual report
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Speaker 19: which show that people are from these groups are getting
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Speaker 19: paid in some cases up to fifteen percent more.
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Speaker 1: Chris, good lord, now just quickly.
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Speaker 5: You haven't got much time, but you've been keeping tabs
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Speaker 5: on the poper. What's the latest on his health?
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Speaker 19: Well, Chris, he's still in Jamelli Hospital in Rome. He's
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Speaker 19: in a stable condition. He has started eating solid foods,
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Speaker 19: but he's now entering his fourth week in hospital. He's
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Speaker 19: still receiving treatment for bronchitis, so he is showing a
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Speaker 19: little bit of signs that he's improving, but his condition,
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Speaker 19: the Vatican has said, still remains complex, so he's not
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Speaker 19: out of the woods yet. Chris.
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Speaker 5: Thanks, Sophie, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: And Sophie Ellsworth their live outside BBC headquarters in London.
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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
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Speaker 3: Gematon Uni and CAROLINEA also join me. We'll have more
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Speaker 3: on the cringeworthy social media that we're getting from labor ministers.
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Speaker 20: Now.
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Speaker 1: As you know, it was International Women's Day on.
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Speaker 3: Saturday and it's led to another installment of inspiring social
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Speaker 3: media creativity from the.
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Speaker 1: Labor Party, this time a bunch of labor women.
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Speaker 3: Now the words of a former embattled Prime minister who
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Speaker 3: once lashed out at one man as her way of
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Speaker 3: defending another bloke.
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Speaker 21: I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by
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Speaker 21: this man. I will not and the couple not be
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Speaker 21: lectured about sign and misogyny by this man.
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Speaker 22: Not now, Not ever, The leader of the.
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Speaker 21: Opposition says that people who hold.
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Speaker 23: Sex's views and who are melogynous are not appropriate for
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Speaker 23: high office. Well, I hope the leader of the oppositions
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Speaker 23: don a people paper and he is writing out his.
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Speaker 22: Ready nation, because if he wants to know what misogyny
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Speaker 22: looks like in modern Australia, and he doesn't need emotion
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Speaker 22: in the house represented, is he needs a neurog.
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Speaker 14: I'm a boss.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a bloke and I'm without speech, So let
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Speaker 3: me bring in gem atone Union Caroline Door.
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Speaker 5: So this is just shocking, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Give us your thoughts Gemmer on that.
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Speaker 24: I wonder what Kimberly Kitchen would have to say about
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Speaker 24: those women. I wonder what those mean girls have got
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Speaker 24: to say about how they treat other women. What a
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Speaker 24: pile of steaming manure. They can't even get the lip
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Speaker 24: sinking right to start with, And the fact that they
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Speaker 24: have to channel that the past means they have nothing
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Speaker 24: to say about the present. And I don't know about you, Chris,
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Speaker 24: but I don't need a day to recognize my female colleagues,
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Speaker 24: and I don't need a day to recognize my male colleagues.
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Speaker 24: I do it in the moment, because that's when it matters.
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Speaker 24: If you have to wait for a day to be
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Speaker 24: told and to produce garbage like that, well it just
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Speaker 24: means that you're as shallow as a tupperware lunchbox.
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Speaker 5: Well I thought it was embarrassing for them.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm angry about it too, because you've obviously been
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Speaker 3: insulted by that.
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Speaker 5: But that sort of carry on. What are your thoughts, Cara?
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Speaker 25: Oh, pretty unsurprising, but also pretty on brand. I mean, look,
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Speaker 25: the former Home Affairs minister had to get sidelined into
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Speaker 25: housing because she absolutely toiled up that portfolio. And there
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Speaker 25: are several others there who who haven't done a great job,
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Speaker 25: you know, getting rid of the cash list debit card.
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Speaker 25: I think that was Amanda Rishworth from memory, you know, like,
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Speaker 25: how about you just focus on performance? How about you
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Speaker 25: focus on merit? And like Jemma said, it's very interesting
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Speaker 25: that they're focusing on the past because they don't really
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Speaker 25: have much to offer for the present. I always giggle
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Speaker 25: when we look back on that misogyny speech and the
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Speaker 25: distraction from the fact that the Gilad government had just
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Speaker 25: taken entitlements of single mothers, so that appears to be
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Speaker 25: lost on the current women in the Labor caucus.
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Speaker 20: And the other thing I would say about all of
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Speaker 20: those women is they parade around and what it is
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Speaker 20: is and the absolute embodiment of what the Labor Party
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Speaker 20: stands for, but particularly this cohort of women.
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Speaker 24: It's cosmetic. It's cosmetic that you need the soundtrack deliberately
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Speaker 24: chosen boss when you're not a boss, when you're a
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Speaker 24: bloody public servant.
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Speaker 10: You work for us.
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Speaker 24: You're not at home juggling your bills, your kids.
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Speaker 1: All of those things.
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Speaker 24: You're not in small business dealing with ridiculously restrictive industrial
44:05
Speaker 24: legislation that's been drafted for your union mates. It is unbelievably.
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Speaker 5: Insulting, unbelievable. Let's leave it there. I want to go
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Speaker 5: to the WA election.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to the premier and the opposition leader.
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Speaker 26: Although there's a lot of seats still to be counted,
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Speaker 26: what is clear at this point in times is that
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Speaker 26: we will have an overwhelming majority in the Legislative Assembly.
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Speaker 26: That means the Western Australian people have given us a clean,
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Speaker 26: clear mandate to make sure that we implement our policies,
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Speaker 26: implement our plan.
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Speaker 27: Understandably, the WA Liberals are disappointed in last night's results.
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Speaker 27: We were obviously anticipating a better outcome for the WA
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Speaker 27: Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Well let's go to you, Caroline, as president of the
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Speaker 3: WA Liberals.
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Speaker 1: You must have been pretty disappointed about the showing.
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Speaker 25: Look, it definitely wasn't at the upper end of expectations.
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Speaker 1: That is for sure.
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Speaker 25: The seats that we are waiting to be counted, a
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Speaker 25: lot of those I think will come to the Libs
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Speaker 25: or the Nats. There's a couple of about three big
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Speaker 25: three corner contests there, so that will be interesting.
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Speaker 1: Roger Cook is right.
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Speaker 25: In the sense that you know, it was an emphatic
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Speaker 25: labor win and he does have the numbers in the
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Speaker 25: lower House, but he is now going to need the
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Speaker 25: Greens in the upper House, so that there is going
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Speaker 25: to be very interesting to see the nature of the
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Speaker 25: legislation that goes through. It's not all as rosy I suppose.
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Speaker 25: I feel like there was a level of apathy in
45:41
Speaker 25: relation to the state election. But the simple fact of
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Speaker 25: the matter is, and Michaulia Cash made these comments on
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Speaker 25: Saturday that the baseball bats weren't out for Cook. And
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Speaker 25: one thing we have definitely noticed in the door knock
45:53
Speaker 25: and we've done in the community engagement is the voters
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Speaker 25: and constituents aren't so kind, you know when it comes
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Speaker 25: to Anthony Albanesi. And there's this there's this funny position, Chris,
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Speaker 25: where you know, Roger Cook also doesn't want nature positive
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Speaker 25: like the West Australian Liberals, and Roger Cook also doesn't
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Speaker 25: want to band live sheep export like the West Australian Liberals.
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Speaker 25: So for anyone who thinks that this translates to some
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Speaker 25: you know, miraculous, amazing, you know, doormat, I suppose for
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Speaker 25: the Federal Labor Party, I think they probably just want to,
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Speaker 25: you know, maybe not be quite so excited at this
46:35
Speaker 25: point in time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gemma, you've just back from the West too.
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Speaker 3: You're a clear division between state and federal or is
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Speaker 3: this a bit of a bit of a worry.
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Speaker 1: For the coalition with the federal election looming.
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Speaker 24: I think the coalition has to be mindful because that's
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Speaker 24: the prudent thing to be at this point of you know,
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Speaker 24: the campaign wherever we're at. But I do have to
46:55
Speaker 24: agree with Caro in the sense that everyone that I
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Speaker 24: spoke to and I might not live anymore, but I've
47:00
Speaker 24: still got a thriving business over there and all my
47:02
Speaker 24: famili's over there. It's definitely a federal versus state matter,
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Speaker 24: and you have to look at the history of Western Australia,
47:11
Speaker 24: particularly during COVID, like we are w way the nation
47:14
Speaker 24: can get stuff.
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Speaker 20: They're very very clear division there.
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Speaker 24: I wouldn't be super encouraged if I was the Labor
47:21
Speaker 24: Party because some of the swing data that I have
47:24
Speaker 24: seen and some of the turn data, it's like the
47:26
Speaker 24: difference between revenue and profit like don't yes, seats are
47:29
Speaker 24: one metric, but when you're coming off such a low bar,
47:32
Speaker 24: it's like saying, well, that business that lost three hundred
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Speaker 24: grand a year for three years and suddenly turns a
47:37
Speaker 24: twenty thousand dollar profit. You don't look at the twenty
47:39
Speaker 24: thousand in isolation. You look at the three hundred and
47:41
Speaker 24: twenty thousand dollars turnaround. And I think a lot of
47:44
Speaker 24: people are ignoring the swings, not just the swings, but
47:47
Speaker 24: where the swings have been mortgage.
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Speaker 1: Belt seat exactly.
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Speaker 24: And I'm very happy for the Labor Party to be arrogant,
47:54
Speaker 24: to continue to be disconnected. But I wouldn't be dancing
47:57
Speaker 24: my way home if I were them just yet.
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Speaker 5: Hey, I've got to congratulate you.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I was watching the footy on the week your
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Speaker 3: your mob were playing Collingwood. Jemma, for all her she
48:10
Speaker 3: might seem too bright for all this, but calling supporter.
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Speaker 5: And then a commentator.
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Speaker 1: I think it was Dwayne Russell.
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Speaker 3: Do you see. I think Jemma coined the phrase she
48:19
Speaker 3: calls the Dekos brothers the.
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Speaker 1: Day You referred to them to us once as the.
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Speaker 5: Day Kite with my wife, Well, I reckon. Dwayne Russell
48:29
Speaker 5: referred to.
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Speaker 3: Both on the bench at one stage and he referred
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Speaker 3: to them as the day Kite.
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Speaker 24: So changing lives, changing lives.
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Speaker 3: All around the sacular of the Australian football viewing public.
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Speaker 1: I have my own exactly.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for doing this, Caroline and Jemma will catch you
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Speaker 3: next week.
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Speaker 5: That's all the time we've got for you this week.
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Speaker 5: I hope the Daykie were watching. I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 5: night